>> everything is done in-house. i think it is done. i have always been passionate about gelato. every single slaver has its own recipe. we have our own -- we move on from there. so you have every time a unique experience because that slaver is the flavored we want to make. union street is unique because of the neighbors and the location itself. the people that live around here i love to see when the street is full of people. it is a little bit of italy that is happening around you can walk around and enjoy shopping with gelato in your hand. this is the move we are happy to provide to the people.

i always love union street because it's not like another commercial street where you have big chains. here you have the neighbors. there is a lot of stories and the neighborhoods are essential. people have -- they enjoy having their daily or weekly gelato. i love this street itself. >> we created a move of an area where we will be visiting. we want to make sure that the area has the gelato that you like. what we give back as a shop owner is creating an ambient lifestyle. if you do it in your area and if you like it, then you can do it you like it, then you can do it on the streets you like.

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way, and i really, really enjoyed it. i continued working for the grizzlies for the 2012-2013 season, and out of happenstance, the same job opened up for the san francisco giants. i applied, not knowing if i would get it, but i would kick myself if i didn't apply. i was so nervous, i never lived anywhere outside of fridays know, andfridays -- fresno, and i got an interview. and then, i got a second interview, and i got more nervous because know the thought of leaving fresno and my family and friends was scary, but this opportunity was on the other side. but i had to try, and lo and behold, i got the job, and my first day was january 14, 2014. every game day was a puzzle, and i have to figure out how to put the pieces together.

i have two features that are 30 seconds long or a minute and a 30 feature. it's fun to put that altogetl r together and then lay that out in a way that is entertaining for the fans. a lucky seat there and there, and then, some lucky games that include players. and then i'll talk to lucille, can you take the shirt gun to the bleachers. i just organize it from top to bottom, and it's just fun for me. something, we don't know how it's going to go, and it can be a huge hit, but you've got to try it. or if it fails, you just won't do it again. or you tweak it. when that all pans out, you go oh, we did that. we did that as a team. i have a great team. we all gel well together. it keeps the show going.

the fans are here to see the teams, but also to be entertained, and that's our job. i have wonderful female role models that i look up to here at the giants, and they've been great mentors for me, so i aspire to be like them one day. renelle is the best. she's all about women in the workforce, she's always in our corner. [applause] >> i enjoy how progressive the giants are. we have had the longer running until they secure day. we've been doing lgbt night longer than most teams. i enjoy that i work for an organization who supports that and is all inclusive. that means a lot to me, and i wouldn't have it any other way.

i wasn't sure i was going to get this job, but i went for it, and i got it, and my first season, we won a world series even if we hadn't have won or gone all the way, i still would have learned. i've grown more in the past four years professionally than i think i've grown in my entire adult life, so it's been eye opening and a wonderful learning >> i lived in the mission neighborhood for seven years and before that the excel see your district. 20 years a resident of the city and county of san francisco.

i am the executive director of a local art space nonprofit that showcases work that relate to the latino community and i have been in this building for seven years and some of my neighbors have been here 30 year. we were notified from the landlord he was going to sell the building. when we realized it was happening it was no longer a thought for the landlord and i sort of had a moment of panic. i heard about the small sites program through my work with the mission economic agency and at met with folks from the mayor's housing program because they wanted to utilize the program. we are dealing with families

with different needs and capacities. conversations were had early in the morning because that is the only time that all the tenants were in the building and finally when we realized that meda did have the resources to buy the building we went on a letter writing campaign to the landlord and said to him we understand you want to sell your building, we understand what you are asking for and you are entitled to it, it's your land, but please work with us. what i love about ber nell height it represents the diversity that made me fall in love with san francisco. we have a lot of mom and pop shops and you can get all your resources within walking distance. my favorite air area of my homes

my little small patio where i can start my morning and have my coffee an is a sweet spot for me and i >> hi, i'm corn field and welcome to doing building san francisco, we are doing a special series, called stay safe, how you can stay in your home safely and comfortable, and we know that an earthquake is coming and there are things that you can do to reduce the effects of the earthquake on your home. let's take a look at that. >> here at the spur urban center on mission street in san francisco talking about staying in your home after an earthquake. i have guests today, pat

buscavich and his dog, harvey and david, and both structural engineers and we want to talk about things that you might do before an earthquake to your home to make it more likely that your home will be ha bitable after an earthquake, what should we do? both structural and maybe even important non-structural things. >> you hear about how to prepare an earthquake kit and brace your book shelves and water tank and that is important. what you have to be careful is make sure that you are not going the easy things to make yourself feel better. if you have a bad structure, a bad building, then you need to be looking at that and everything that you do to keep your collectables in place is small and compared. if you have taken care of your structure, then there is a lot of stuff that you can do in your house that is non-structural and your chimney and water tank. >> let's talk about what the structural things might be. >> and he is exactly right.

you don't want to make the deck chairs safe on the titanic, it is going down, you are going down, you have to make sure that your house is safe. there are basic things that you need to do including bracing the water heater, not just because of fire hazard but because of the water source and the damage, but basic things are installing anchor bolts, and adding plywood and strapping your beams to column and posts to footings and foundations are really easy things to do and most contractors can do the building department is set up to approve this work, and these are things that every home owner should do, and it is a little harder because you have to get a building permit and hire a contractor. but you want to be able to after a big earthquake to climb in bed that night and pull the covers up and say i don't have to worry about going to a government shelter. >> that is the main focus that it is great to have an earthquake kit to be able to bug out for 72 hours. here is a better idea, stay in your own home and in order to do that you have to be make

sure that your structure is okay. if you have a house, the easy things to do with the wood construction is feasible. if you have a renter or you live in a concrete building, you need to talk to the building own , and make sure they have done their due diligence and find out what the deficiencies are. >> when i have looked at damaged buildings,vy seen that a little bit of investment in time and money and structural work provides great dividends. >> especially if it is the wood frame, typical house that you can do the things that i was talking about, the anchor and the plywood in the first garage area, you know if you refinanced in the last three years, get some of that savings and it is a really good investment. and the other thing that i try to tell people, earthquake insurance is not the solution to the shelter in place, if there is a big earthquake and your building is damaged, you are not in your house, you may be somewhere else, if you work

in the city, it is going to be really hard to commute from sonoma, you want to do what is necessary so that your house is retrofitted and a couple of years of earthquake premium could get you to a level that you could be in the house after a significant earthquake and it may have damage and there is still a shelter in place where you are at home and you are not worried for the government taking care of you and you are living in a place where you can go to work and you want to have your wood frame house is really easy to get to that level. on top of the wood frame house, i mean every wood frame house in the west half of the city have a water tank and the water tank fall over because they are gas fired and start fires. and that is something that you could do for yourself, and for your neighbors and for the whole city is make sure that your water tank is braced. >> if you look at the studies that are predicting on fires, we are going to have a lot of fires and for every water tank that is braced there is a potential of one less fire that the fire department is going to have to fight and we don't want to have any more fires than we

need to. so bracing the water heater is the first thing that you want to do. >> and so easy, and you go on-line and you google, earthquake, water and heater and you google the sites where you can find the details and you can put them out there on the hardware store and you can hire a small contract tore do that for you. that is a couple of hundred bucks, the best investment. if you are in other types of building it is complicated. if you are in a high-rise building you just can't anchor your building down because there are no anchor bolts, but at that point, the tenant should be asking questions of the owner's and the managers about earthquake preparedness >> and don't take the easy answer, oh, our building is safe it was designed to code. that is not the right answer, ask the tough questions and see if you can get a report that has been given to you. >> what is the right question? will i be able to stay in my home after the expected earthquake? is that a good question to ask? >> yeah, you may be more specific if you talk to the

owner, if it is not a recent building, if it is ten or 20 years old see if they had an inspection done and there you will have a written before that will tell you all about the structure. >> thanks, pat. >> thanks, harvey. and thanks david for joining us

>> this is a reminder to silence all electronic devices. fire commission regular meeting wednesday, january 23rd, 2019 in the time is 5:02. roll call. president stephen nakajo. vice president franc francee covington. commissioner michael hardeman. ken cleveland is excused.

joe alioto ve. >> members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address their remarks to the individual as a whole and not to individual commissioners. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discuss with the a speaker. the lack of a response by the commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> anybody wishes to give public comment at this time? are there any questions, discussions for the commissioners at this time? seeing none. public comment is closed. >> >> clerk: approval of the minutes, item 3. discussion and possible action

to approve meeting minutes from a special meeting on january 4th, 2019. >> at this point, is there any public comment on the special meeting minutes of january 4th, 2019? are there any questions or discussions from the commissioners at this time? commissioner vice president covington? >> thank you, mr. president. yes, i did share with the commission secretary some minor adjustments. nothing of great importance. i. >> this is for the special meeting. >> the special meeting? >> clerk: yes on january 4th. >> we're doing them one by one. >> sorry. >> ok no problem. i'd like mont move the item. >> do we have a second? >> call for the question, all in

favor say aye. >> aye. >> any opposed. none. thank you. >> clerk: an approval of the min es from a special meetig on january 8th, 2019. >> at this time is there any public comment on this special meeting on january 8th, 2019? any questions, discussions from the commissioners at this time? >> i'd like to move the item. >> thank you, vice president covington. i need a second please. >> >> second. >> call for the question all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> any opposed? none. motion passes. >> clerk: minutes from the regular meeting on january 9th, 2019. >> the regular meeting january 9th, is there any public comment at this time? >> commissioner vice president covington, any questions, discussions from the commission at this point? >> as previously mentioned, i'd like to move this item as well.

>> thank you, very much. is there a motion to approve? commissioner vice president covington has moved and i need a second, please. >> second. >> commissioner. all in favor say aye. >> aye. >> approved. madam secretary. >> item 4. five department operating budget fiscal years 2019-2020 and 2020-2021. presentation from mark corso on the fire department operating budget for commission review and discussion. >> at this particular time, is there any public comment on this item of operating budget fiscal year 2019-2020? hearing none. public comment is closed. director corso. >> thank you, president. good evening. here to give a brief update and start the discussion on our

19-20-20-220 and 20-21 update. it's an overview of time lines and instructions. things we've touched on in previous meetings. look at budget to date. some of the updates in the current year as well as some of the discussion that's we've had so far regarding priorities and challenges. as always, open up for any discussions or questions that you may have. as i mentioned at the last meeting, we received our budget discussions along with all other city departments in december. the city is projecting $271 million deficit over the next two fiscal years. and those deficits are anticipated to increase. that is detailed in the city's five-year financial plan update. they're looking at a 644 million-dollar deficit and fiscal year 2024. so all city departments have been requested to make

reductions to the support that they receive from the general fund to the extent of 2% in both years. they would be on going. that would be a 4% reduction in the second year and in addiction, they would -- the departments are being requested to submit a 1% contingency reduction. 2% is $1.4 million and 4% is $2.7 million. over all timeframe, we have a discussion at the meeting today and then potentially further discussion obviously in potential approval at the next next meeting. budget submissions are due to the mayor's office on february 21st and over the next few months the departments work with the mayor's office to submit a city budget that would be on may 31st do the board. and june and july are budget hearings at the board as well as budget being considered at the board. last year, we're in a two-year budget process.

last year's budget process supplied a second year. as part of the budget last year, some with month indications our budgbudget has approved. all known fringe rates, the results of the m.o.u.s are incorporated into our base budget. one time expenditures are taken out and equipment is usually extracted and target reduction requests are measured against the department's general fund support. taking our expenditures from the general fund, offsetting revenue that this general funds is contributing to our budget after consideration, that's from which our target reductions are based off of. so here is kind of a historic budget overview. so our budget over all, the blue you will see is the total department budget. the red or orange is the general

fund department budget. as we discussed previously last year marked the first year we eclipsed the 400 million-dollar threshold for department budget. that's anticipated to increase as you will see on the next slide in the coming years. as a result of that, the general fund, the non general fund is things like the airport and previously the port and other funds that aren't paid by general fund moneys so as i mentioned it's a 21% increase over this time. majority of that is due not to expansion of scope of services but to some extent for sure but it's salary and benefit increases. so here is a look at our current budget as compared to -- our base budget compared to our current and extended year budget. as i mentioned, we're looking at $400 million budget. and 413 the year after that. the reason that is lower, is because a lot of the one-time

equipment and capital expenditures are scrape scrippe. that will reduce the budget until those allocations are approved. $269 million is our general fund support. after revenue, after offsetting funds from other expenditures like the airport, that's how much the general fund is allocated for the department. so that's what the base -- after prop f staffing considering are removed, that's the amount from which the budget reductions are based off of. so current year, there were some changes that were approved last year. there was the addition of a grand writer. that position has not been filled but the announcement closes later on this week. we're looking forward to filling that. we had funding for q.r.v. vehicles, which is staffed and e.m.s. 6 which established a administrative position. there were changes to overtime and federal labor standards act. there were some impacts to the

department. there were changes city wide and impacts with the department as well. the on going hiring and equipment plans were in the process of procurement and a number of apparatus and the next academy starting up next week, the fire academy. fire prevention. we've expanded the scope of work along with city initiatives such as a.d.u.s and other plans and construction projects. we brought on additional staff supported by revenues to manage that workload and provide the bureau additional resources. there were other staffing include. airport increased some training staff and infrastructure staff as well as bike medic staff and there's marine equipment allocation added back as part of the budget process that covers marine equipment as well as the match for our dive boat that was allocated from a federal grant. so to date, last meeting we discussed our capital and i.t. requests. those were approved by the commission and submitted to the

respective committees by januare deadline. there were a couple of changes to those due to some changes in the program. i'll detail those at our next meeting. we continued to work with division heads on budget issues and needs assessments. we've reconvened the budget committee to discuss the needs of the department and prioritization of those needs. i have included some of the materials that were incorporated in your packets as well. we'll update staffing models as well as revenue and feed projections for the next two years. as far as over all departmental priorities, both the department effective may 2012 established under mayor lee's leadership, public safety hiring plan. that has continued through 2020. in addition in may of 2016, mayor lee established a public safety or fire department equipment and apparatus

replacement plan and so from a departmental perspective, it's very important we continue thost we can but enhance those to future years. that is an ongoing and in addition, we are discussion, along with the budget committee and labor departmental priorities and e.m.s. staff and cyst assistance and in addition to just over all staffing for increasing in calls as well as support for restoring funding for incident sports specialists so those discussions are on going with the budget committee. challenges, i think we've discussed the budget committee level, the large challenge is to submit a budget that would be in

response to budget reductions but also have the department deal with increased call volume and increased demand for services. so not just front line calls but in addition the scope of services that the department provides and has increased over the recent years such as public education and outreach and those kinds of services as well. so there's a very much a lack of budget flexibility that we have given the staffing requirements that we have and the number of initiatives we have. the consensus among the budget committee is that we are the department should not submit reductions to its budget. we have been proposed to the commission previously so it's up for discussion. that's been the message from the discussions at the budget committee level is due to the needs of the department, the department shouldn't be submitting any budget reductions. we're still looking if there's any revenue opportunities to offset some of that, currently

that's been the discussions so far at the budget committee level. just going over the documentation that you had in your packets, just a very, very high level overview outlining the department's costs, revenues as well as expenditures. there's a little packet on page five that outlines the different types of revenues that the department has. by project. on page 8, outlines the total expenditures by type. salaries, benefits, materials and supplies, et cetera for general fund and not general fund and then on page 10, or on page 12, it outlines the 14 it outlines the type of expenditure by division or project type. for example, sports services prevention, administration, et cetera. as you can see in all cases the

budget rolls up to the 416 million-dollar base budget number that we were discussing previously so i'm happy to answer any questions. when we get towards budget approval detail and submission budget book information will be provided to the commission in advance. and then on the last page of the packet provided, there's three pages here. it's an overview of the items needs that were identified both from different divisions as well as the budget committee and were currently up for discussion. we've met a few times and we'll send out communications for prioritization of these needs and we anticipate meeting either the end of next week or early in the week after to discuss and formally prioritize. just because the budget is submitted in february doesn't mean that our conversations with the mayor's office stops, they just quite frankly begin and many as facts so it will condition to discuss our needs and provide our data and justification for a lot of them over the next few months up

until the mayor's budget release in may. with that i'm happy to answer any questions you may have. >> thank you, very much, director corso. vice president covington, did you want -- >> i called for public comments. at this point, commissioners. >> >> thank you, mr. corso. you are doing god's work and we all appreciate it. >> thank you. >> i had a question. last year the issue of $100 million of fees that were uncollected and i believe those were ambulance related. is that in here? >> yes. so if you look on page 6, top

line. >> so on page 5 and 6. on page 6, the top line, ambulance billings that shows the estimate total number of charges that we would be billing for. actually the previous line on page 5, the last line on the bottom shows essentially the write offic offs for that and te anticipated revenue for that department. >> there's $135 million billed and there is $106 million that are written off. what does that mean written off? are you just not collecting that? is that something every year we just -- what is that exactly? >> it's a combination. it's for bills that aren't paid but it's also mainly based on the demographics, we run a lot of medicine' car medicare and me

do not collect anything beyond for what they approve. if we have a $2,000 ambulance bill and the patient has medi-cal insurance, they will reimburse us $125 on that and that remaining balance is then considered written off. there's no collecting ability on the department's behalf for that. same with medicare where it's $450 there's a big bill we're not able to collect. >> let's say that i need a ride to the hospital and i use an ambulance and it cost me a thousand dollars. my insurance covers 75% of that and i'm left with $250 bill for that. >> as a copay or something along those lines, right. >> i have to pay the department that money? >> correct. it would depend on the structure of your insurance but in most cases, a lot of insurance have a copay where the insurance will

pay 75, 85% and there's a remaining balance, be it $50 or a few hundred dollars that would go to the patient. or to the patient's secondary insurance. >> what if i don't have any insurance at all which i imagine is the case for many of the people using our system? >> correct. so we run people through the medi-cal and medicare to see if they're eligible for benefits and then we have an outreach that the billing company works with. if people do not have insurance, we have financial hardship program that allows for department's ability to write off bills if your income is below 300% of the federal poverty level where that bill would be waived. >> ok.

>> it seems like in the system we've created for ourself, the system we've created people are being billio billed differentlye same ride to the hospital? >> they're billed the same it just depends on the insurance they have. depending on private or medicare or medical, the charges are the same. it just depends on the insurance or the individual's ability to pay that fee where the account goes. >> in the three scenarios that you just mentioned, the ininsured, medicare, i'm the only one that pays in that circumstance? >> correct. >> everything else is written off? >> correct. >> ok. and so, over the last 10 years, by way of example.

this number has been hovering at about $100 million. >> correct. >> we've written off a billion dollars in these fees over the last 10 years? >> correct. if you add that up. if you look at when we do a fee increase, or costs over the years, costs of services may increase for the department and in turn our fees may go up and they go up by medical c.p.i. every year. that doesn't change the amount of reimbursement we're receiving from medicare or the amount of reimbursement we receive from medi-cal. it would extend the write offs with the structure of the insurance. >> you mentioned the general allocates, how much was that? $320 million? where is that number? >> i believe it's on the side. after accounting for our funds and our revenues it's about

$270 million. >> $270 million? >> correct. after our revenues that we received. >> it's twice the money we should be receiving in ambulance billings. the ambulance billings are $135 million. >> yes, that's an issue in jurisdictions with demographics we have, there's very low reimbursement. it's not very unique issue for us per se. >> who does the collections on the ambulance billing? >> we have a contractor that does our ambulance billing.

we work with them to find better communications with hospitals and incorporating patient data and getting patient data. for example, when we pick up our patient, our crews may not collect the data on that patient before dropping them off at an emergency room. we work with our billing company to set up with relationships to hospitals to get additional patient information from them for billing purposes. >> has anybody ever run the number as to how much of that 180 or $106 million a year that we are writing-off as homeless-related? >> i do not believe so. >> is there a way we can do that? now that we're tracking it, we've tracked that information for a year, we should be able to go to the mayor's office and say hey, madam mayor, 40% of our calls are homeless related. that's going to be a really low number because you know that more than 40% of our homeless population is using our

ambulance services. assume that it's half that. let's call it 50%, which i think is still low. $50 million should be an added cost to homelessness to san francisco. i just think that this type of information should be the information we're discussing with the mayor's office when we're doing budget analyzes. so when we're asking for -- when we're up at the mayor's office asking for -- just by way of example. a department electrician that cost $161,000. if you look at total of the asks on page 17, 18 and 19, that comes out to 29 million or $30 million. right. so, if we ask, for example, the homeless department, the department of homelessness to

pay for the $50 million in homeless ambulance rides, we can get every little thing that is on that list on page 17 and 18 and 19 and have $10 million to spare. i think these are the types of conversations we should be having since we're in a homeless crisis in san francisco. these are the situations we should be having with the other departments in this city since we're the ones that are picking up the slack on an issue that is technically not just our issue. our mission is to respond to 9-1-1 calls and make sure that people are getting emergency care. it seems like we're giving a large part of our budget to homeless people rides to the hospital -- given they need those rides in a lot of those

cases and some cases they don't need the rides. it's cold outside and they know as the ms6 will tell you and some of the other people out in the engines other tell you, they know the right buzz words. they say the right buzz words and wore going to show up and give you a ride to the hospital. that's probably a part of what is going on here. i think that we, the department should recoup some of those funds because they would pay for everything on our asking list plus another $10 million. i'm just talking to you because you are the guy bringing the news. it's not your fault, but it's something that the department could be better at, given that we're taking up a lot of the slack. i know the police department budget is $450 million when i was on the commission eight years ago. it's probably $500 million by

this time and they don't have revenue sources like we do. their general fund pool is closer to their budget. we're the ones that are pulling in the revenue and pulling a lot of the slack for some of the other departments. i just think that we need to do a better job of trying to get that stuff paid for. >> understood. those discussions are on going. i think that homelessness is being treated as a steed wide problem. to the extent that we have been able to insert ourselves in those conversations in general. we're trying to advocate for the department's position. >> let's try and figure out, if we could, i know jesus does magic work. if we can him to tie that number in an accurate way, the write-off number to homelessness, perhaps it's something we can ask out of the homeless budget. it's something that is happening. >> we can definitely look at that. >> great. thank you mr. corso, i

appreciate the hard work you do. >> thank you, very much, commissioner alioto-veronese. at this point, commissioner hardeman. >> thank you, mr. president. thank you for the clear speaking. your voice carried very good. probably always does. i just noticed how crisp and vibrant your voice was carrying. i just sat back and could hear very good. >> thank you. >> it's interesting, one of the reasons why graphs and charts and just information where you can view it is, you look at the base overview and you go back five years and you look at how it's grown. you look at how the department and the population have grown. that's a very modest growth in

the budget. iin my opinion. i think we're holding the line very good. if you just grasp it, the reality isn't the city. if the city would just hold its own and not growing any in population or in workforce, for this department, you would expect anyway. doing this under the circumstances of growth and the 40% that no addresses. is there a collection of any money for the 40%? or we don't even try to collect that. >> we do. we bill, in some cases, those people have medi-cal or medicare insurance. they just don't have an address. we'll take a closer look at it. we do bill and to the extent

that we have information on individuals to see if they have insurance, we look at that as well. >> some of that is collected? >> i'm sorry? >> are funds collected. >> i would imagine for some of them, yes. >> another thing, like i say, i like the written information. the revenue summary, the expense by type, ex pensio expense by dd the needs and review how you indicated everything. thank you. very good. i appreciate that. i might be sitting in on a budget meeting here. i really like to have this stuff in my mind before that happens. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, very much, commissioner hardeman. chief hayes-white. >> thank you, president nakajo. thank you to director corso. i would say tt