>> i am the only one i think on this desk who has investigated police officers as i did. a lot of this discussion i will promptly forget because i respect and like my fellow commissioners and i will take it for the hyperbole it is. as a commission, we are a better body than we're showing tonight. and i also want to mention that despite all the talk of, you know, commuteing and representing community, the only person on this desk who actually represents the community is commissioner brooketer. that's his job. i think we're all kind of coundd up about this. we should have a measured and reason discussion about what is best rather than attacking each

other. i will resist the urge to do so, i'm not going to do counter attacks against you. i'm not going to tell you it's fake news and that you are beholding to the board of supervisors because i hope you are not. i can only tell you what i am and what i am not. and so, with that, i will leave it. >> likewise. as the only commissioner here that hasn't been a former prosecutor or defender that i speak on behalf of all san franciscansanfranciscans and ths across the board. one of the things as i sit here and we're having this dialogue and conversation is we can agree to disagree at the end of the day. i think one thing about this commission and the time that we're here right now, is we have an opportunity as a total body to push forward these reforms. and i think that every single person on here has the qualifications to be here as commission elias alluded through. we all went through the same process. it was rigorous, tiring, but we had the conversations we needed to have and we did what it was we needed to do to sit upon this

dais. it seems like there's been things that have been put out there, folks have given some rhetoric on who they are and what it is they would like to see and i would like to see us continue to move forward. >> you know -- look, ib i've beei know i'vebeen here a long k in and i'm told the mayor's office changed its mind and they can't have duel representation. that's coming from city hall and i knew that coming in the last time that it the two of you would be nominated and that it was going to be the vote. i don't have clairvoyance. i have people who call me and tell me these things and it's disturbing to me. i've been on this commission way too long. that is distressing. i said it the last time and i'm

saying it again, why don't we have a discussion about what type of leadership we want. do we want duel representations from both sides? that's really the question we're trying to put out there. before you jam a nomination and a vote before we even have a discussion and when away want to see going forward and i'd like to know why the people who don't want joint representation, why not? i mean that's the way to have a colleenality to get along to move forward and to have the different perspective that everybody has and to look in those communities that we really adversity effected by police and that's what i would say. >> i think we'll have that discussion. the other thing is -- i don't have a problem, i'm fine voting for commissioner as president.

the arbitration background is, you know, probably helping you ash straight things and i don't have a problem with that. and i think maybe i'd like to hear -- i would agree to that as to -- you know, just in full transparency, there was an agreement that there was going to be duel representation up until about -- i think it was like, i can't speak to this exactly myself but about an hour before the meeting. it kind of made me sad because i do appreciate the mayor's office a lot. i think she's doing a great job and she's got great people.

when you are in power you always have to fear the people. if they had said, you know what, go screw yourselves. i want to have my votes. i don't care and i'm going to push through two of my people, that's fine. at the same time, you know, we can fill up the room. we can go back to those days where the commissioner room is over filling. to me that's tic tactically thea of being dishonest to people nor a tactical reason. i don't know. it doesn't leave a good feeling and it doesn't bode well for kickoff this next term. you know, i think -- well.

anybody is free to say what they want. i think that we should know that we should answer for our honesty and our truth. even though some of us are mayorals and some are for the people, we all answer the people at the end of the day. having one person telling you what to do, that's not independence. >> i'm going to ask you stop attacking us personally or else we can all say things that we know and have heard about you and you have told us yourself about whether or not you are beholden with the board. let's stop with the personal attacks. >> whoa, whoa, whoa. no, no, no. >> as i sit here and listen to you, look at the contradiction,

it's the fact we're sitting here together and said this is one body. as we schedule things on the agenda we do it together as a commission, however, now, we're pitting and saying that there's a group of folks from the board of supervisors and there's mayoral appointees. at the end of the day we had to go through the same to sit in this dais and in order to move things forward we have to work together. if we have a conversation that there's mayoral appoints and board of supervisor appointees and we're all one and it doesn't matter who the president is, it's contradicting, isn't it? >> no, because we don't take orders. >> again. we're better than this. >> i've sat here and listened to this for quite a while. like commissioner taylor, you know, i'm going to keep my calm about this but i too represent the community. i was born and raised in this city. i think that's only commissioner

dejesus and i that can say that. being born and raised in this city means -- means that you are raised diversity cities in the world, one of the most progressive cities in the world and you were raised to be open minded and to care about this city. and to represent the community. yes, i was an assistant district attorney. yes, i did work with the police officers. yes, i was in an assistant united states attorney. and i worked with police officers, federal agents and police officers from other agencies. yes, while in the u.s. attorney's office i too investigated police officers. i have always done what is right. yes, nothing bothers me more than when a police officer does something to ruin the reputation of this great police department. yes, i have been very active in helping change the rules.

doing what we need to do to make this the best police department in the greatest city. i think these personal attacks are offensive to me and i know that i'm not going to hold anybody to it but it's wrong. i mean, i think that you've categorized people, you've profiled people, and you've put people in little boxes. i have to tell you, i know this is emotional for some folks, and it's very bother some to me that tonight we seem to be divided. i just want to put that on the record. i truly care about this city and the people in this city and i represent the people in this city. for someone to say differently that's wrong. anybody else have anything to say? >> there is a motion.

>> there is a motion. >> motion was that i nominated commissioner bob robert hersch to be the president and taylor to be the vice president and there was a second from commissioner brookter. >> how are we going to move forward? i'm not going to vote with -- you are going to make us vote if you put two together you will make us -- if you keep those two together it will be awkward. maybe take them vingly. >individually.we can do the pree president. >> does that make sense? >> ok. we would need public comment before a vote. >> that's correct. >> any public comment about what has just been said? hearing none, public comment is now closed. >> you want to take them

separately? >> on the motion to vote for commissioner robert. >> how do you vote. >> dejoe us. >> no. >> no. >> no. >> yes. >> taylor. >> yes. >> the ayes are 4 and the nos are 3 with commissioner in the dissent. >> with that i'm going to turn

the gavel over to commissioner hirsch. >> i wish you folks would have done this a little differently. i'll tell you, the reason i voted yes, is because i feel that you unfairly characterized the rest of us. are you leaving? it could have been done a little bit differently. i was asked how i was going to vote. >> we still have a quorum. >> all right. >> well there's something i wanted to say as a president and it's unfortunate this is the way it's going to pan out.

i do hope this commission can work collaboratively and my intent is not to take on the lion's share of responsibility. my intent is to delegate and make sure all seven commissioners have an equal role in the work because i don't have the time and i don't think it's healthy for a commission to be functioning through one or two people. and i also think transparency is important. so, i am going to ask, starting in march, probably quarterly, that each commissioner give a report as to what that commissioner is working on for the commission and what the status is of what it is we're doing. so the public knows what we're doing. in terms of priorities, i think there are three real priorities for the commission. they'll be other issues that come up but these are the over arching priorities. first is maintaining the safety of the city and helping the department to the extent we can in our role, in maintaining the

safety. the second is making sure that the communities have trust in the department and doing what we can to foster trust among the various communities. that's a real challenge for this police department and everyone. the third one is, i think, to focus on the reform effort, which we're moving forward on. that remains our biggest challenge over the next couple of years. with that, we'll go what's is the next item on the agenda? >> item 6. the public is welcome to address the commission regarding items not on tonight's agenda but the jurisdiction of the commission. speaker shall address the remarks as a whole and not individual commissioners. under police commission rules of order during public comment, neither police or d.p.a. personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response.

individual commissioners and police and d.p.a. personnel should refrain however, from entering no any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. please limit your comments to two minutes. >> that was a bloodbath. the police department is strong. read between the lines. going forward here, i really put a lot into my credibility. i can talk about a tweet that really happened. i i don't believe he tweet you had back. i said she's a moron. i'm going to say who he is. now let's go forward with other

issues. as we know, the new state law says certain police do can be public. the police department and it was embarrassing. names, offenses going back years. they're not done. san francisco pd, batter up. it's going to be embarrassing. if we all know, i know two in san francisco. i'm not going to say who they are. one was in the tenderloin and that was gross misconduct what he did, ok. when we do these disciplinary cases here when something like that comes in front of you, why do we need to cover it up?

he is accused of sexual misconduct and we're going to make this action. because if you don't, it's all going to come up. it's all coming up. i'm totally agree with transparency. someone is going to get embarrassed. >> there is a group that is working on complying with the new state law and the time will come and it's going to take us a while to flush that out because the law is not easy to interpret and apply. when we do, we will comply with the law and we will make information public as we can. not everything we do will be made public and that's why we have closed sessions. next speaker, thank you. >> good evening.

>> this is a sad day that this has to happen. i'm disappointed just sitting here in the audience listening to this. it sounds like we're on the street and everyone is sounding like children and it is divided. just like our children are being killed out and it's divided of the no one is saying everything. it's sad. this is not what i want to say, i'm here to talk about my son. i'd like to use the overhead. it was murdered august 14th, 2006. still this day no justice and i've been asking for a while that we have a venue for our children so that i won't have to climb on polls and things to get justice for my child. again, we also have the former mayor saying i know who killed your son and the d.a. knows who

killed her son and they can name addresses and everything. this is what i'm left with. my son laying in a casket. he had a father and a mother. that's his father. this is what i'm left with. my son laying in a -- deceased. these are the perpetrators that killed my son. this young man right here. thomas hannahbil. these are the names this we got from my investigator on the fifth floor. this young man bragged about killing my child. and he is with his mother and father and sister and all of his family. and my son is laying in the ground. i've been asking for justice for

my child. we're talking about justice. i still need it. >> thank you. i know that you come here every week hoping that one day a witness will come forward anding willing to testify and that's our hope too. the tip line, as we say every week is (415)575-4444 and we're hoping one day someone will actually come forward and give testimony. thank you. any other speakers? any other public speakers? hearing none, public speaking session is closed. next line item. >> item #, public comment on all matters pertaining to item 9 below closed session including public comment on item 8. vote whether to hold item 9 in closed session. >> any public comment on our closed session? seeing there's none, public comments closed. next item. >> item 8, vote on whether to hold item 9 in closed session. san francisco administrative code section 67.10 action.

>> can i have a motion to go into closed session. >> so moved. >> second. >> all in favor. >> aye. >> opposed. none. hearing no opposition we'll go in closed session. thank you, all.