we did one long-term analysis of the project site near building four that she mentioned is the residential building, an ambient measurement along the nonresponsive property line, a measurement of hotel utah noise levels. that was between 11:40 and 11:50 p.m., and then, we measured grand night club, as well, from midnight to 12:10 a.m. and our findings were that we recommended ratings of 35 along the facades to the northeast and northwest, and f-2-c ratings along the southeast and

southwest iffacade. there is some sheetings on the building to the east of it. three stories tall, and provide some shielding, but we used our worst case estimate in our assessment. >> thank you. it's a big project. i remember when there was nothing down there, and i was getting complaints from wells street down the road just from the rooftop of the club. so there's a lot of detail here, so i'm just going to go real quick. exactly how many residentials are facing the grand which is actually facing the bay bridge?

are they all office space pretty much or are they -- i'm seeing so many different angles here? is t >> there are some residences that are on the north, which is actually northwest, that the smaller facade of this building for -- you know which building we're pointing to? it's kind of removed from bryant street. it's further back along welch. yeah, maybe i can point to it. >> president bleiman: can you just point out on that map

where the grand is, to orient us? >> yeah. the grand is here and hotel utah is here. and then, the residences are in the upper levels of this building, above the podium level. so there's windows -- down this alley, we can see a little bit of noise exposure, so that's why we recommended these windows. there's a couple levels above this building, so the lane -- line of sight might occur, even though the lower levels would probably be fine. >> president bleiman: so where the retail p.d.r. is, there's residential roof under the love that are existing -- loft that are existing right there? >> yeah. >> president bleiman: and when you took your measurements, was

the grand open, friday, saturday? >> yeah. >> president bleiman: and you said -- okay. and what was your findings on that? >> let's see... >> president bleiman: the reason why i'm saying is in the past, there were a lot of complain complaints that was coming from the loft that's next door. there's a person that's on staff, so they managed to keep peace with these neighbors, but now that you're even higher than that, and sound rises, you know, i'm just wondering what your findings on that were. you find it -- you dealt with 11th street and all that. i mean, you find it in comparison, it's a lot more quiet in this neighborhood because, really, there's nothing much going on down

there. yeah. our results were 80 d.b.c. for that short-term measurement of the grand and 67 d.b.a., which is similar to what we measured along bryant street for the hotel utah, so it wasn't much louder than a typical place of entertainment. >> president bleiman: and what time was this? >> midnight. >> president bleiman: midnight. friday or saturday? >> the 27, which was -- >> saturday, right? or that was sunday morning? >> sunday morning. >> president bleiman: sunday morning. well, it's saturday. usually, they -- okay. so there's a -- housing there,

and then, i guess you've got the child's daycare center which is mainly all office or there's housing on top of that, too? >> office buildings above that. this building you're talking about? >> where the daycare is, child care? >> that's office building levels above that. >> okay. >> and so the residential is limited to this building. and yeah, it's based off of -- our findings are based off of the ambient plus eight d.b.a. and d.b.a. our ratings were based off of the ambient. >> president bleiman: are you recommending the -- >> we've beefed it up to 35,

yeah. >> president bleiman: you beefed it up. okay. that's all i have for sound. why don't we talk to the sponsor -- yeah. anybody else, sound, more questions? sound? sound? >> thanks. >> >> president bleiman: okay. so the project sponsor i have a question. so this whole complex, how many people you expect to be -- you expect to house down there? >> in terms of the housing development? >> president bleiman: yeah. housing, everybody using the park. i mean, it's -- this is a big -- it's a big, big -- this is big, but it's misleading because i know a lot of it is office space. >> yeah. a large majority is office space. as i noted, it's that one building to the right of the park that's residential.

60 to 75 units. mohcd will decide are we looking at former foster youth, are we looking at homeless, are we looking at single, family-size units? that isn't set yet, but i think looking at maximum 75 units to probably an average of two or 2.5 people, we're looking at between 175 and 200 residents max. >> and so the park, do you have a lighting plan for this park? >> not yet, but we're excited to work with stakeholders on this. we understand there's a lot of concerns between public safety and reducing public glare and the number of considerations we have for this neighborhood. >> for 12 years, i was pretty much security for the whole

block. i got calls all the time. they were concerned about alleys. going down welch, i don't know where your parks is going to be. >> so the parking is going to be below grade; and hopefully the safety on the alleys will be improved significantly. >> the park entry will be on fifth? >> the parking entry? no, that will be -- that will be off -- is it okay if i put this back on? >> sure. >> along here, along frelon. there is an entry into the below grade parking. >> can we center on the park on your overhead? okay. so there's this red barrier where your park is. is it fenced off or open? >> no. that is the actual piece of

property that will go to the city. so right now, it's a private piece of property, and offer it's developed, it will be dedicated to the city. >> so let's say people can't find parking on fourth because of the central subway -- normally, if it's busy continued grarks he they usually park on brannan or fifth, they walk down the sidewalk, but now, they're going to have a shortcut going through. they can walk-through this parkway past the park, fourth, onto grand. it's very important that this part here has lighting. >> yeah. and they will remain public streets, so we'll work with the public, d.p.w. to meet those standards, but we're happy with recommendations beyond those, as well. >> i know you're developing this -- as a developer, you're selling the condos. are there h.o.a.s that are

going to have security at night in the park because when people are milling around, there's kind of a -- well, i don't know what kind of shelter there is on the corner, and that's always been an issue with the neighbors that i know that were living there. this park has been proposed for many years now. so now that you're making it happen, i want to know exactly how your plan is for security at night. >> yeah. so as i mentioned, the housing portion will go to the mayor's office of housing, the park will go to the city. we will retain ownership of the three buildings, and as part of the agreement in dedicating the park to the city, we will pay for 24-hour security on the park. it's important for us, too, because those are our buildings, and those are our assets. >> is there any kind of roaming or -- >> 24 hours. >> 24 hour? >> yes. >> okay.

thank you. >> you're welcome. >> quick question. just looking for my notes now. >> if i can just go -- i just have a quick question while he's looking for his notes. what we're talking about is a night time population of up to 200 people, give or take? >> yes. >> hi. thanks for coming. >> yeah. >> so do you have any plans for entertainment at the public park. >> no, but we've heard a lot of requests for public activities. we'll have to work that out with the city who'll be the ultimate owner, but what we've heard again and again is people want to see programs events at the park. farmer's market is great. soma filipinas has approached us for a night farmers market.

>> are there be placed to plug in the equipment? >> yes. there's no design on the stage right in and out. it's very flexible use. >> i'm glad you mentioned soma filipinas as the filipina cultural heritage district. are there any other proposals you're introducing for the filipina cultural heritage district? >> a lot of the work we're doing designing the park, i was not present, but i know a lot of our stakeholders are part of the community, and the filipino community, and we're talking about doing something that would be the best fit for the neighbors and residence dents that live there now -- residents that live there now. >> is this arts and culture be subject to the 1%.

>> to the 1%? yeah. >> can you tell me about that. >> it's something to be decided with planning. >> so you haven't decided that? >> no, but if you have any ideas, we'd love to hear it what you have. >> what percentage is affordable housing? >> what do you mean by percentage? >> i'm just wondering if there's affordable housing. >> that building is 100% affordable housing, so all 60 to 70 units is affordable housing on this site. >> wow. that's wonderful. >> thank you. >> just out of curiosity, did you hear back from either the grand or hotel utah at all? >> i have not. >> that was my question. >> and i'd be happy to submit -- just two e-mails youch wrought, so they have all my information. and if you have anyone there at

the grand or utah that we can reach out to, let me know. >> yeah, i think that's something i'd like to see. i think the venues don't understand the significance of what's going on, so we try to make sure everybody knows. i think if people pour out of the grand and decide to go hangout in the park which would be a natural draw, then, the neighbors can start to have real serious problems with the grand because they're causing the issues. we try to think about those ahead of time and to deal with this before. so any way, yeah, i don't have anymore specific questions around it. sounds like the added d.b. rating on the windows is a good thing for those facing windows there, but we would just -- >> yeah. i just had one other point of clarification since it was brought up by commissioner lee around lighting again? that is a standard design consideration condition that we would offer to the planning

commission after this hearing? and it's just reads, during the design phase, the project sponsor shall consider an outdoor lighting plan at the development site to protect residents as well as patrons at the place of entertainment. that's a standard. >> yeah. we codified the commissioner lee lighting. it's dark back that. >> i think that's established. >> all right. i don't have any further questions. >> what's your name again? >> sarah dennis philips. >> you were with the city attorney again? >> i was actually with oewd. >> oh, my bad. >> it's codified. they have to submit -- you don't have to mention it ever again. >> one lamppost -- >> yeah, exactly.

we know. >> thank you. >> okay. thank you so much. so it's been a while. we recommend to -- the question be whether or not we recommend this forward with any additional conditions? in yeah. anything additional from just the standard. >> and the standard already involves the lighting plan. >> okay. >> yeah. >> okay. >> so -- and this is -- so we hear a motion on this? >> mm-hmm. >> we hear a motion to recommend this or not? >> so moved. >> second. >> i'm sorry, what was the motion? >> the motion is to recommend this forward with our approval -- >> with standard conditions? >> with standard conditions. >> i second it. >> before -- what were you going to say? >> i second it. >> okay. so now, we have time for public comment on this. is there any public comment on this agenda item? okay. seeing none, public comment is now closed. we can have our vote. [roll call] >> all right. it's been recommended. congratulations.

thank you very much. the next agenda item is number eight, hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment commission. we'll begin with the consent agenda which will be acted on by a single request of the commission unless a member of the commission and public requests an item to be removed from the agenda. >> good evening, commissioners. the first three applications are on consent this evening because they're all accessory permit. there was no opposition from the public and the recommended p.d. are standard. the applicants were provided about those conditions and there was no opposition from them. they're all aware of them and fine with them. so please let me know if i can answer any questions for you about these permit applications. >> seeing no questions, we do -- before we go, we do need

to do public comment, so is there any public comment on the consent agenda? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> can we make the motion first? >> oh, we didn't make the motion first. >> i would like to make a motion to approve the consent agenda. >> i'll second it. >> there we go. [roll call] >> all right. the consent agenda has been approved. moving along again, we'll get into our regular agenda here and deputy director acevedo, please. >> okay. the first permit applications on the regular agenda are for a change in ownership place of entertainment and mechanical aamusement device permits for the valencia room, previously known as the elbow room,

located at 647 valencia street. they plan to host local and touring talents, such as bands and deejays, as well as host private parties and special events. they are applying for the m.a.d. permits because they have pin ball machines. they are inheriting their previous owners sound qualities. they have their own in-house sound limiters and have worked with a sound engineer to install sound dampereners as -- dampeners as well as other

equipment. they spoke at the mission delores neighborhood association meeting about their plans for the valencia room, and they received a letter of support from them which is in your file. mission station approves this permit with no added conditions, and here to tell you more this evening is operating partner dobbin shea. >> hello. my name is dobbin shea. i am operating partner for the valencia room. i am also accompanied with steven schefsky, primary partner and landlord. operating partner sylvia holden, the sound whizes, jonathan larson and michael sefarido. we as a team would actually

like to thank you. we know with monday being a holiday, you had to take your work home, so we appreciate your time in looking over applications. i am here because this is a very exciting project for all of us. the elbow room's a legacy. it was a famous place before the elbow room, and luke and larry's, and before that, amelia's. ricky striker -- amelia's, i don't know if it was the first, technically, but it was the best known lesbian bar. it's what it got its listing as. we came in because as president bleiman said, we're losing or venues and we're losing our t art.

our goal is to come in and preserve the heritage that something like the elbow room provides. rather than figuring out what the market was, we could just ask the market, and inside of this 99.999% of people were not only in support of it, wanted to get involved in keeping this thing going. that other .0001% just wanted room to walk their dogs in the alley. i don't know if that really qualifies. i am open to any suggestions. i know this is a very esteemed council, and you guys probably have a lot of good insight, how do we make a better place? what do you think that there's now missing? i know you probably have

questions, and i am here to answer. >> thank you. so -- well, thank you for trying to keep our legacy club going. you know, it's a big thing now adays. we're just trying to hold onto our venues. i'm just curious, your background? >> my background? >> yes. >> well, let's say for the last ten years, i've been involved in this industry. i've been living in san francisco the last seven months. i'm from here. i spent the last seven years in brooklyn, at a bar that we turned into a neighborhood community center. it's a place that instead of having the 2500 square foot beer garden, we turned it into a flea market. we're in the community newspapers for that and in the magazines for the big other plea markets. i have been a -- flea markets. i have been a brand consultant.

i've been a patron to pretty much every bar in san francisco my whole life. i am accompanied by sylvia holden who has about 27 years of experience, started out also in san francisco. >> she must have started at, like, three or four -- >> someone had to get that in. >> flaws -- six was an open age to -- appropriate age to start serving alcohol. together, we have been involved in -- i like to say together. mostly her. as in operations, i tend to focus on the talent, the booking, the branding, direct, i guess idea machine part of the aspect, where she's the one on the floor doing most of the work most of the time, but together as a partnership, we've been involved in places like extra fancy, in brooklyn, smoking monkey, which started

out as a five-time turnover place that has now become the most successful place that the owners ever had. they're actually -- the history inside of these two, this is one of her bosses. this is the guy that gave her her first bartending job when she was six. >> my question is, what the elbow room did back in the day, what your plans are in the future? are you planning to incorporate some of old elbow room material and then put a new modern twist to it. it's an old building, obviously, and i know there's some upgrades going on, so whatever you're planning to do, i'm just curious, will it be able to maintain the sound, you know, 'cause i have no clue, you know, what you have in mind, but maybe you can share with us. but usually, new owners have this thinking that, you know, these buildings are -- have

been doing entertainment so long, but sound systems have changed and also neighborhoods have changed. there's probably a lot closer residents than there were before. so other than that, what's your plan? >> okay. plan? good question. the elbow room is definitely an old building. i think that our model as a whole is more restoration than renovation, so we are trying to salvage -- and i say the word try, stress the word try, as much essence of the old elbow room. unfortunately, old buildings, you lift one rock, if it's not broke, don't fix it, we need to fix certain things because they absolutely just cannot fly. the upgrades that we're doing in our restoration model -- i'm assuming that most of you have

been there. i know miss weiland had, and she stressed the thing that most people say. it's a nice place, good staple of the neighborhood. however, the bathrooms were a problem, and bathroom is saying it really generously. what we've done is on the floor first, we've taken out the bathrooms and put in three new stalled bathrooms with an a.d.a. compliant bathrooms. upstairs, instead of men's room and ladies room, we have now stalled. we've soundproofed and hard floored it. we have upgraded the lighting, as far as the electrical.

there is wiring disguised at plumbing >> are you doing any extra insulation in the roof? >> exactly. the stuff that's there -- we've taken over our predecessor's plan. we've interviewed most of the staff and especially sound, we've taken their model and upgraded it, so where everything was sheet rocked and sound dampened, we're putting it back with new stuff. we've increased our audience, by -- incompetent stead of having in the room, we had -- instead of having in the room, two speakers blasting across the room. instead, we've placed small speakers -- taken small speakers and placed them around the room to control the sound. as far as the type and art that we're doing, we're going to

keep it bands, primary deejays and art primarily, but it's a major part to have live music. does that answer your question? [please stand by]

>> it is a community-oriented

place. it is very, very important to have the same places in this room here in house is the way to go pick what we are planning to -- planning on doing is having in-house training programs as far as everyone is going to go through the lead training. i will tell you that it is a fun way to spend a saturday night. it is incredibly informative, and i have about 12 pages of notes, just in case there are any questions. >> i have been through it a few times. it is a good time to pick what we are going to do is do in-house. have every person on the floor he was able to have this education, so they can get it. at any point in compliance, one security person for every hundred. we want to make sure on a wednesday, we are expecting not to be blown out, but what if we do exceed 100 people? so myself, and other people on staff can step into that role. we want to have that is a very clear distinction.

on nights that we know that we will have the venue and all these things going, we will be staffed. on nights that we can't tell, we don't know if an extra hundred people are coming, it is wednesday at 7:00 p.m., and 100 people show up, we need to have someone on staff, we have them already on place. the sound engineers, to the landlord to, we will all know how to do this position, but we will also consult out. i have talked to rob. >> i know rob. >> i like him. he took a break out of his vacation to give me a call. >> i believe it. >> we walked it by him and he was in agreement with it also, another security personnel -- he teaches child psychology and parental communication, and we are going to get a plan from him so we can institute that in our bar. >> just a quick thought to, some

of the things you are commenting on will fall into the jurisdiction of the department of humour just consumer affairs. you might want to check out there website regarding guard cards, and also being a guard card employer. it is pretty straightforward stuff. >> was that the link that we supplied on the form? i think i try to look at something. it took me to consumer funeral homes. >> they were happy to help you. >> i think i called -- >> he is checking his wallet now >> there is the card. >> there is also an active link on our good neighbor policy for that. >> if he checked his voicemail there is a call to my voicemail today, sorry. >> best of luck. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming in and i'm happy to hear there will be live music in that building. you talk about preserving the cultural -- culture and

heritage, and you mentioned amelia's, i don't know if it was the best lesbian bar, but it was a lesbian bar in a city that doesn't have any more. how are you planning to preserve the culture and heritage that emelia's represented or are you in the current policy room? >> i think we are open to all ideas right now. i think -- what i would like to avoid, what we would like to avoid as a whole is going in thinking we know everything. i think that part of communities unraveling and getting to know the neighborhood. i know that on last wednesday -- what was the date? we reached out already, and someone from the mission neighborhood association contacted us, and they are representative of the lgbtq organization, we will have a dialogue and how they can get

involved together. in order to preserve this, is the legacy in that this is a very special building. it represents what san francisco is, not wise, is, it is the ability that you have a house that has arts, that has people together, and has the opportunity that people will go and really get -- this is where i love the mission. i love the person where they are all there. everyone is there, and it is a place that can house all that. i don't know how to better answer what can we do to preserve the culture of something before we do it. i think that will be a discovery that we have in opening, and i will say that what we are attempting to do is open a place that is welcoming, warm, and inviting for everyone to come into. i believe that is a priority.

just naturally. when we are open, you come in and see that our primary thinking is community. i think that is why this project is so well-suited. the alignment matched. >> greats. it is good to hear. given in addition to losing entertainment venues, we are also losing lgbtq spaces in the city, and i would encourage you to reach out beyond just one person e-mailing you, but reach out to the folks who just opened , jolene's for example, and some of the other folks who run some of the lgbt venues, or one off show us, or promoters or clubs, would be great to see some performers and music and d.j.s and so on back in the building. thank you. >> thank you. i know that the elbow room during pride would hang amelia's

sign, but they also donated it -- >> to the community sparkle society. >> we have to create something else to honor that as well. that is definitely in the works. >> thank you. i always love seeing the amelia's sign during the dyke march. it was really great. i appreciate it being donated to the historical society. both things are great. >> sorry, earlier today, i don't know if you are familiar with veronica clouse. >> i am indeed. >> she is a very dear friend. we were trying to figure out the best time for her to come and perform. sometime, when we open in this new state, she will be one of the performers there. >> that's fantastic. >> she has moved to sharon springs and i helped her. >> it would be lovely to have her back and have her music back. thank you. >> hello, thank you for coming

in. >> thank you. >> thank you, and i want to let you know that you approve it -- that you did a thorough neighborhood outreach. i see on the list you brought six things that you did. i am glad to see a further review and having a table outside the venue. can you identify two or three conference -- concerns on the neighborhood that you heard? >> yes, i can pick oddly enough, the one that i was not prepared for -- i try to predict the future and get inside, and there is one i cannot wrap my head around was that someone who was a neighbor had no problem with five -- 5:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. they are concerned we may play music earlier, lake 2:00 p.m., and i don't know how to respond to that. this street is a very, very busy during the day. it seems the one point we had

was playing music earlier in the day, rather then the evening, and it is just interesting to me >> you weren't planning on having music, anyway? >> right, i just did not know how to respond to someone who did not want a jazz trio at 5:00 p.m., or 4:00 p.m., i just didn't know how to respond to that. that was probably the most serious as far as concerns. the most concerns that we were getting was why can't we open faster? in our outreach program, the direct neighbor was going to throw a party for us, no one was -- i got more signatures on my way here, and more to turn in. as for concerns, surprisingly, i

think san francisco really wants this thing to be a music venue and a bar. if there are concerns, i am trying, but i haven't found them >> what would be your policy and procedure in handling complaints in the future. if there's any noise complaints from the neighbors, what is the procedure and handling those class. >> my procedures thus far is that we will definitely have a contact, somewhere that at any time, if someone is even doing the flyers and handouts to find these -- i supplied my phone number and said, call me, because i want to get to these concerns. in the future we will have facebook, the website, voicemail, bar phones, to whatever signals that we can think of to really address this. concerns will be taken seriously , we will get the answer within 24 hours to give a

response back. if it is a concern dealing with entertainment to, i probably also fly it by the deputy or the commissioner themselves to see if there something we can do and try to get more heads on the problem. thus far, they have been my best resource. >> you said within 24 hours. would you be able to do on the fly if a complaint was made? >> absolutely. if someone e-mailed in a complaint, on the fly, absolutely. there will be someone there at all times, any time we are open, who can make these decisions. just like dealing with security. >> okay. >> there will be someone there. >> will you consider having a logbook so you can record the types of issues that comes up so you can see what the patterns, or issues that keep recurring so you can look at it over time class. >> absolutely, that's a great idea. the more we get to know each

other, the more you will know i like to write everything down. that is in alignment of what i would do. thank you. >> you say you are doing upgrading with the sound system. you are doing a different sound system. >> for the downstairs, exactly. >> are you upgrading the sound or the sound mitigation class. >> downstairs is interesting because it is a subterranean building. it was a mortuary, so it is very dense. the upstairs is a little bit more airy and spacious, obviously because you've a stage and abandon all this. we are upgrading anything that we can as new soundproofing, but the building itself does not allow for it because it is -- what is the material? it is a brick building with archways and whatnot. we are upgrading it how we can, but thus far, until we get a true sound abatement test, we

don't know the level of db. to this point, it has never been an issue. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right, well, i am excited about this project and i commend you for your community focus. i have opened a lot of venues myself and previously very sleepy places, so it has always been a dream of mine to take over a place that had inundated their neighbors with hard-core death metal for years, endears, and years, and i could show up and say, hey, i will change things up, no marked death metal >> there is room on the tee -- there is room on the team, man. >> everything i have heard, it sounds like your head is in the right place for community outreach and you have the experience. on nights that are less busy, do you have any plans to promote or nurture up-and-coming local music, or maybe acts that are

more -- less commercially viable , is that part of your thinking? >> i am for all of that. i do not believe in one thing does it all. part of this is that. you cannot preserve the essence of a place in completely, out the art part of what they are doing. i think it is very important because everyone recognize this is a business and you need to make money in your business, hopefully, but because also, there is space. there are times where i would like to see -- from lecture tours, because we will now be equipped with spotlights or whatever they are called. i am willing and open to do all of these things, it is just for up-and-coming bands, we would have to promote it more. instead of relying on an up-and-coming band to pack to place, that is why it is no longer cost-feasible. if you are reliant on tweetwee much on the talent, they may not have a good following to make you money. i think it is best if we pull

these resources and use the marketing machine to launch these people. i think it takes a more calibrated and more longer-term thinking. if there is, oh, my gosh, somebody cancels, i can take that guy who has a recording studio, and they record all day, and all the time, maybe someone in his recording studio can fill the spots. it would definitely be for up-and-coming talent, absolutely. >> great, thanks. and the other thing that i just encourage you to do, and this is less of a question, but we do have this good neighbor policy, and it seems like a bureaucratic rubberstamp, but it has been really painstakingly revised and rerevised, and what has come out of it now is a de facto bill of rights for your neighbors, but it is also a de facto bill of rights for venues in that if the values are following the neighborhood policy to a tee, they have a very strong layer of

protection around them issues that would happen. i would just encourage you to memorize it, and it is something i personally, i wouldn't look at it that heavily, but knowing what i know, i encourage you to look at it. >> i thank you for that suggestion, and i believe that this has been stressed to me before. i don't quite have it memorized yet, but i'm working on it. >> you know, no one is perfect. >> i remember from the february 5th hearing and a couple things resonated with all of us. it was, here again, it is an exciting time for music, and mr lee saying that this is what i am asking for, what we are asking for is a privilege. and we approached it that way when we did outreach. not as an assumption that we will give music to everyone who wants it, but valuing an understanding it is a privilege, and how do we act accordingly. being here is a huge honor. doing this is very much appreciated, and i will take the

good neighbor policy to heart. we will take that as a serious point of focus. >> thank you. >> one real quick comment, when commissioner lee asked you what your experiences where, in the future, you should add no fear of the mike. [laughter] >> i forgot it was here. >> okay, so for the record, no fear of the mike. [laughter]. >> you are very thorough, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. we don't have any further questions. you can have a seat. >> thank you, i appreciate that. >> any discussion? discussion first? this or any public comment on this the specific agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> i will go with a motion to approve the recommended camp condition with a good neighbor policy. >> second. [roll call]

>> your permit has been granted. congratulations. just follow up with the deputy director at your earliest convenience. >> thank you. >> moving along here. >> the next permit applications are for a place of entertainment and extended hours premises permit for a house of ty, located at 901 larkin street. the applicants are applying for the poe and ehp permits because they would like to have a late night karaoke from midnight until 3:00 a.m., and serve thai food. precalifornia state law capital and all alcohol sales at uam. only patients ages 20 and over will be allowed in at during karaoke our. the karaoke would not be in the room was, but rather the gas would perform the karaoke from their seat in the dining room. you will see a letter that the

applicants mailed out to their surrounding neighbors and businesses, as well as signatures of support that they collected. northern station approves this permit with no added conditions. here to tell you more is the owner. >> hi, good evening. >> hello. >> i don't know when to begin, okay. [laughter] >> we will be doing -- this is a family-owned business for a long time. we have been doing it for more than ten years for thai food. this is kind of new for us to do karaoke. because now, in the economy going down a bit, i want to make more money, but -- and stand why we are doing this, because we are thinking about most of them are kind of bars, and at uam, that is why we extends the hour to 3:00 a.m. because of the concentrated --

we need to sell the food. sometimes the food is not to get the people in, that is why we are doing karaoke, that maybe more people will be more interested to come in, and then, yeah, that is why we apply for the entertainment license. right now we are on the process for the inspector coming in. we are in the process right now for the electric code. i think it should be done by this month, maybe. >> okay. it is on the corner of larkin and gary. you have a lot of windows. the thing is, having another --

having karaoke at your restaurant is a good thing, because i remember when those owned had there is down the street on sutter and pope, and the good thing about it is a lot of the workers that get out of the restaurant his, and they were able to sing and eat, and you are trying to get more restaurants opening after 2:00 a.m. to have food to other places, other bars, so people can go in and eat and i know you do serve food, good food, a lot of people go there. >> thanks. >> my only thing is, i guess when you do a sound check, you will know. but those windows that you have, sound stoves travel through glass, and also your door. and passed p.o.e. locations that i know of, they smoke outside, and the door goes in and out, in

and out all the time. i think after you have your test you should consider some soundproof draperies maybe, again, they will determine that, but that is my only comment. if you are going to do this, you have a lot of windows. i know that there were complaints before with other restaurants, people outside smoking, and the doors going in and out, if you can keep that door shut, and it is in the good neighborhood policy as well. >> yes, i will do that. >> a quick question, i think that why did you want to stay open after hours until 3:00 p.m. until -- is to the closing at 2:00 p.m. -- 2:00 a.m. when the alcohol sales stop? >> i think that usually ends around uam. after 2:00 a.m. the people get

off the bar, sometimes they get hungry. i know lots of pizza places start to get busy. that is why i want to give them more opportunity to get our food because i want to show them that thai food is good heating, except pizza. >> thank you. >> hi, thank you for coming in. i have been to your restaurant many times. i like going there, good food. >> thanks. >> my question is, on your application you said you are about to do neighborhood outreach, but you also submitted a list of people, it looks like they signed your petition. >> yes. >> have you done any other community outreach beside these people who signed their names? >> normally we send it out to the building, sometimes we

handed out, and it gets recertified by the male, and we all talk with the manager of the building, if people can sign on the paper, work and come to the restaurant and sign the paper for us, that would be great. >> okay. did anybody else have any other concerns about the sounds when you were talking to your neighbors? >> they say normally what they heard, they have a lot of bars already. sometimes they get a lot of sound. whether it is people coming out from the bar, they get some yelling and whatever, around that area already, but they said the sound will be fine for them too. but normally, from the restaurant, we close the windows and everything. it means the sound is light and not going out a lot.

>> right. >> except only when we open the door. opening the door is just for a few seconds. >> would you consider having a sound curtain in front of the door so when the doors open, the christian will buffer the sound last. >> if you recommend that, i will check on that. >> so this permit allows you to have live entertainment as well. >> pardon class. >> are you only during karaoke? >> yes, i only do karaoke. >> this permit allows you to have more entertainment like life entertainment. >> yes, but live entertainment could end at 10:00 p.m. sometimes it doesn't get much better. normally we get busy at that time already. we are thinking we don't need the life entertainment, but if the license includes that, maybe

in the future. >> if there is a private event, then you could have that accessibility. >> yes. >> what will be your policy and procedure if you do have a complaint from a neighbor? how will you address it quickly? >> if we get a complaint from a neighbor, that means if they come to talk with us, normally we have the manager on duty at the time, they can talk with them directly, or if they want to send an e-mail to us we can answer them by e-mail, at and explained to them. that is why we need to approve what they want me to do. >> okay. so you are committing to responding to complaints right away. >> yes. >> all right, thank you. >> good evening, just a couple really quick comments. you will do your full menu until 3:00 a.m. is that your plan? >> the food menu will be open at

11:30 p.m. until midnight, then after midnight, we will do late-night food. >> that is very common. looking at some of your paperwork, i understand you don't have an in-depth security plan because your occupancy is around 45 people. the only thing i would caution, is going from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m., as you already alluded to, you have a lot of customers coming and that will be pretty intoxicated, so you want to be prepared for that, and you might find that last hour to be somewhat challenging because you get some pretty impatient people , so you might want to think on that. >> okay. >> better to be prepared them not pick lastly, because you will go that extra hour, another cautionary point. regarding your alcoholic beverage license, all alcohol has to be cleared by 2:00 a.m., that means nothing can be out. >> okay.

>> you really have to do it. that is the tricky part of going after 2:00 a.m. i'm just cautioning that will be very much on the radar, and you have to worry about customers bringing in their own alcohol, plays just because you will be responsible. that is not an uncommon practice pick i wish you the best of luck >> thank you. >> i don't have any further questions. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i will open this up to public comment. step up to the microphone and please state your name. you will have two minutes. >> hello, my name is michael. there we go. i am in district six.

there is a couple of issues that i have. i am kind of neutral, but i would like to have a possible continuance. first is -- overhead. first is, half a block away, there was a murder, and i think the suspect is still at large, and this shows that -- this happens between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and 3:00 a.m., and it was a popular person that got shot on larkin street. also, i am a paid member of the lower pole can neighbors, and this has never been on their agenda, after hours is a big issue, and this is in your pocket. it shows this month's agenda