there is a call to my voicemail today, sorry. >> best of luck. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you for coming in and i'm happy to hear there will be live music in that building. you talk about preserving the cultural -- culture and heritage, and you mentioned amelia's, i don't know if it was the best lesbian bar, but it was a lesbian bar in a city that doesn't have any more. how are you planning to preserve the culture and heritage that emelia's represented or are you in the current policy room? >> i think we are open to all ideas right now. i think -- what i would like to avoid, what we would like to avoid as a whole is going in thinking we know everything. i think that part of communities unraveling and getting to know the neighborhood. i know that on last wednesday --

what was the date? we reached out already, and someone from the mission neighborhood association contacted us, and they are representative of the lgbtq organization, we will have a dialogue and how they can get involved together. in order to preserve this, is the legacy in that this is a very special building. it represents what san francisco is, not wise, is, it is the ability that you have a house that has arts, that has people together, and has the opportunity that people will go and really get -- this is where i love the mission. i love the person where they are all there. everyone is there, and it is a place that can house all that. i don't know how to better answer what can we do to preserve the culture of something before we do it.

i think that will be a discovery that we have in opening, and i will say that what we are attempting to do is open a place that is welcoming, warm, and inviting for everyone to come into. i believe that is a priority. just naturally. when we are open, you come in and see that our primary thinking is community. i think that is why this project is so well-suited. the alignment matched. >> greats. it is good to hear. given in addition to losing entertainment venues, we are also losing lgbtq spaces in the city, and i would encourage you to reach out beyond just one person e-mailing you, but reach out to the folks who just opened , jolene's for example, and some of the other folks who

run some of the lgbt venues, or one off show us, or promoters or clubs, would be great to see some performers and music and d.j.s and so on back in the building. thank you. >> thank you. i know that the elbow room during pride would hang amelia's sign, but they also donated it -- >> to the community sparkle society. >> we have to create something else to honor that as well. that is definitely in the works. >> thank you. i always love seeing the amelia's sign during the dyke march. it was really great. i appreciate it being donated to the historical society. both things are great. >> sorry, earlier today, i don't know if you are familiar with veronica clouse. >> i am indeed. >> she is a very dear friend. we were trying to figure out the best time for her to come and

perform. sometime, when we open in this new state, she will be one of the performers there. >> that's fantastic. >> she has moved to sharon springs and i helped her. >> it would be lovely to have her back and have her music back. thank you. >> hello, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. >> thank you, and i want to let you know that you approve it -- that you did a thorough neighborhood outreach. i see on the list you brought six things that you did. i am glad to see a further review and having a table outside the venue. can you identify two or three conference -- concerns on the neighborhood that you heard? >> yes, i can pick oddly enough, the one that i was not prepared for -- i try to predict the future and get inside, and there is one i cannot wrap my head around was that someone who was a neighbor had no problem with

five -- 5:00 p.m. to 2:00 a.m. they are concerned we may play music earlier, lake 2:00 p.m., and i don't know how to respond to that. this street is a very, very busy during the day. it seems the one point we had was playing music earlier in the day, rather then the evening, and it is just interesting to me >> you weren't planning on having music, anyway? >> right, i just did not know how to respond to someone who did not want a jazz trio at 5:00 p.m., or 4:00 p.m., i just didn't know how to respond to that. that was probably the most serious as far as concerns. the most concerns that we were getting was why can't we open faster?

in our outreach program, the direct neighbor was going to throw a party for us, no one was -- i got more signatures on my way here, and more to turn in. as for concerns, surprisingly, i think san francisco really wants this thing to be a music venue and a bar. if there are concerns, i am trying, but i haven't found them >> what would be your policy and procedure in handling complaints in the future. if there's any noise complaints from the neighbors, what is the procedure and handling those class. >> my procedures thus far is that we will definitely have a contact, somewhere that at any time, if someone is even doing the flyers and handouts to find these -- i supplied my phone number and said, call me, because i want to get to these

concerns. in the future we will have facebook, the website, voicemail, bar phones, to whatever signals that we can think of to really address this. concerns will be taken seriously , we will get the answer within 24 hours to give a response back. if it is a concern dealing with entertainment to, i probably also fly it by the deputy or the commissioner themselves to see if there something we can do and try to get more heads on the problem. thus far, they have been my best resource. >> you said within 24 hours. would you be able to do on the fly if a complaint was made? >> absolutely. if someone e-mailed in a complaint, on the fly, absolutely. there will be someone there at all times, any time we are open, who can make these decisions. just like dealing with security. >> okay.

>> there will be someone there. >> will you consider having a logbook so you can record the types of issues that comes up so you can see what the patterns, or issues that keep recurring so you can look at it over time class. >> absolutely, that's a great idea. the more we get to know each other, the more you will know i like to write everything down. that is in alignment of what i would do. thank you. >> you say you are doing upgrading with the sound system. you are doing a different sound system. >> for the downstairs, exactly. >> are you upgrading the sound or the sound mitigation class. >> downstairs is interesting because it is a subterranean building. it was a mortuary, so it is very dense. the upstairs is a little bit more airy and spacious, obviously because you've a stage and abandon all this. we are upgrading anything that we can as new soundproofing, but

the building itself does not allow for it because it is -- what is the material? it is a brick building with archways and whatnot. we are upgrading it how we can, but thus far, until we get a true sound abatement test, we don't know the level of db. to this point, it has never been an issue. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> all right, well, i am excited about this project and i commend you for your community focus. i have opened a lot of venues myself and previously very sleepy places, so it has always been a dream of mine to take over a place that had inundated their neighbors with hard-core death metal for years, endears, and years, and i could show up and say, hey, i will change things up, no marked death metal >> there is room on the tee -- there is room on the team, man. >> everything i have heard, it

sounds like your head is in the right place for community outreach and you have the experience. on nights that are less busy, do you have any plans to promote or nurture up-and-coming local music, or maybe acts that are more -- less commercially viable , is that part of your thinking? >> i am for all of that. i do not believe in one thing does it all. part of this is that. you cannot preserve the essence of a place in completely, out the art part of what they are doing. i think it is very important because everyone recognize this is a business and you need to make money in your business, hopefully, but because also, there is space. there are times where i would like to see -- from lecture tours, because we will now be equipped with spotlights or whatever they are called. i am willing and open to do all of these things, it is just for

up-and-coming bands, we would have to promote it more. instead of relying on an up-and-coming band to pack to place, that is why it is no longer cost-feasible. if you are reliant on tweetwee much on the talent, they may not have a good following to make you money. i think it is best if we pull these resources and use the marketing machine to launch these people. i think it takes a more calibrated and more longer-term thinking. if there is, oh, my gosh, somebody cancels, i can take that guy who has a recording studio, and they record all day, and all the time, maybe someone in his recording studio can fill the spots. it would definitely be for up-and-coming talent, absolutely. >> great, thanks. and the other thing that i just encourage you to do, and this is less of a question, but we do have this good neighbor policy, and it seems like a bureaucratic rubberstamp, but it has been

really painstakingly revised and rerevised, and what has come out of it now is a de facto bill of rights for your neighbors, but it is also a de facto bill of rights for venues in that if the values are following the neighborhood policy to a tee, they have a very strong layer of protection around them issues that would happen. i would just encourage you to memorize it, and it is something i personally, i wouldn't look at it that heavily, but knowing what i know, i encourage you to look at it. >> i thank you for that suggestion, and i believe that this has been stressed to me before. i don't quite have it memorized yet, but i'm working on it. >> you know, no one is perfect. >> i remember from the february 5th hearing and a couple things resonated with all of us. it was, here again, it is an exciting time for music, and mr lee saying that this is what i

am asking for, what we are asking for is a privilege. and we approached it that way when we did outreach. not as an assumption that we will give music to everyone who wants it, but valuing an understanding it is a privilege, and how do we act accordingly. being here is a huge honor. doing this is very much appreciated, and i will take the good neighbor policy to heart. we will take that as a serious point of focus. >> thank you. >> one real quick comment, when commissioner lee asked you what your experiences where, in the future, you should add no fear of the mike. [laughter] >> i forgot it was here. >> okay, so for the record, no fear of the mike. [laughter]. >> you are very thorough, thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. we don't have any further questions. you can have a seat. >> thank you, i appreciate that. >> any discussion? discussion first?

this or any public comment on this the specific agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. >> i will go with a motion to approve the recommended camp condition with a good neighbor policy. >> second. [roll call] >> your permit has been granted. congratulations. just follow up with the deputy director at your earliest convenience. >> thank you. >> moving along here. >> the next permit applications are for a place of entertainment and extended hours premises permit for a house of ty, located at 901 larkin street. the applicants are applying for the poe and ehp permits because they would like to have a late night karaoke from midnight until 3:00 a.m., and serve thai

food. precalifornia state law capital and all alcohol sales at uam. only patients ages 20 and over will be allowed in at during karaoke our. the karaoke would not be in the room was, but rather the gas would perform the karaoke from their seat in the dining room. you will see a letter that the applicants mailed out to their surrounding neighbors and businesses, as well as signatures of support that they collected. northern station approves this permit with no added conditions. here to tell you more is the owner. >> hi, good evening. >> hello. >> i don't know when to begin, okay. [laughter] >> we will be doing -- this is a family-owned business for a long time. we have been doing it for more than ten years for thai food. this is kind of new for us to do karaoke. because now, in the economy going down a bit, i want to make more money, but -- and stand why

we are doing this, because we are thinking about most of them are kind of bars, and at uam, that is why we extends the hour to 3:00 a.m. because of the concentrated -- we need to sell the food. sometimes the food is not to get the people in, that is why we are doing karaoke, that maybe more people will be more interested to come in, and then, yeah, that is why we apply for the entertainment license. right now we are on the process for the inspector coming in. we are in the process right now for the electric code.

i think it should be done by this month, maybe. >> okay. it is on the corner of larkin and gary. you have a lot of windows. the thing is, having another -- having karaoke at your restaurant is a good thing, because i remember when those owned had there is down the street on sutter and pope, and the good thing about it is a lot of the workers that get out of the restaurant his, and they were able to sing and eat, and you are trying to get more restaurants opening after 2:00 a.m. to have food to other places, other bars, so people can go in and eat and i know you do serve food, good food, a lot of people go there. >> thanks. >> my only thing is, i guess

when you do a sound check, you will know. but those windows that you have, sound stoves travel through glass, and also your door. and passed p.o.e. locations that i know of, they smoke outside, and the door goes in and out, in and out all the time. i think after you have your test you should consider some soundproof draperies maybe, again, they will determine that, but that is my only comment. if you are going to do this, you have a lot of windows. i know that there were complaints before with other restaurants, people outside smoking, and the doors going in and out, if you can keep that door shut, and it is in the good neighborhood policy as well. >> yes, i will do that.

>> a quick question, i think that why did you want to stay open after hours until 3:00 p.m. until -- is to the closing at 2:00 p.m. -- 2:00 a.m. when the alcohol sales stop? >> i think that usually ends around uam. after 2:00 a.m. the people get off the bar, sometimes they get hungry. i know lots of pizza places start to get busy. that is why i want to give them more opportunity to get our food because i want to show them that thai food is good heating, except pizza. >> thank you. >> hi, thank you for coming in. i have been to your restaurant many times. i like going there, good food. >> thanks. >> my question is, on your application you said you are about to do neighborhood outreach, but you also submitted a list of people, it looks like

they signed your petition. >> yes. >> have you done any other community outreach beside these people who signed their names? >> normally we send it out to the building, sometimes we handed out, and it gets recertified by the male, and we all talk with the manager of the building, if people can sign on the paper, work and come to the restaurant and sign the paper for us, that would be great. >> okay. did anybody else have any other concerns about the sounds when you were talking to your neighbors? >> they say normally what they heard, they have a lot of bars already. sometimes they get a lot of sound. whether it is people coming out from the bar, they get some yelling and whatever, around

that area already, but they said the sound will be fine for them too. but normally, from the restaurant, we close the windows and everything. it means the sound is light and not going out a lot. >> right. >> except only when we open the door. opening the door is just for a few seconds. >> would you consider having a sound curtain in front of the door so when the doors open, the christian will buffer the sound last. >> if you recommend that, i will check on that. >> so this permit allows you to have live entertainment as well. >> pardon class. >> are you only during karaoke? >> yes, i only do karaoke. >> this permit allows you to have more entertainment like life entertainment. >> yes, but live entertainment could end at 10:00 p.m.

sometimes it doesn't get much better. normally we get busy at that time already. we are thinking we don't need the life entertainment, but if the license includes that, maybe in the future. >> if there is a private event, then you could have that accessibility. >> yes. >> what will be your policy and procedure if you do have a complaint from a neighbor? how will you address it quickly? >> if we get a complaint from a neighbor, that means if they come to talk with us, normally we have the manager on duty at the time, they can talk with them directly, or if they want to send an e-mail to us we can answer them by e-mail, at and explained to them. that is why we need to approve what they want me to do.

>> okay. so you are committing to responding to complaints right away. >> yes. >> all right, thank you. >> good evening, just a couple really quick comments. you will do your full menu until 3:00 a.m. is that your plan? >> the food menu will be open at 11:30 p.m. until midnight, then after midnight, we will do late-night food. >> that is very common. looking at some of your paperwork, i understand you don't have an in-depth security plan because your occupancy is around 45 people. the only thing i would caution, is going from 2:00 a.m. to 3:00 a.m., as you already alluded to, you have a lot of customers coming and that will be pretty intoxicated, so you want to be prepared for that, and you might find that last hour to be somewhat challenging because you get some pretty impatient people

, so you might want to think on that. >> okay. >> better to be prepared them not pick lastly, because you will go that extra hour, another cautionary point. regarding your alcoholic beverage license, all alcohol has to be cleared by 2:00 a.m., that means nothing can be out. >> okay. >> you really have to do it. that is the tricky part of going after 2:00 a.m. i'm just cautioning that will be very much on the radar, and you have to worry about customers bringing in their own alcohol, plays just because you will be responsible. that is not an uncommon practice pick i wish you the best of luck >> thank you. >> i don't have any further questions. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> i will open this up to public comment. step up to the microphone and please state your name. you will have two minutes.

>> hello, my name is michael. there we go. i am in district six. there is a couple of issues that i have. i am kind of neutral, but i would like to have a possible continuance. first is -- overhead. first is, half a block away, there was a murder, and i think the suspect is still at large, and this shows that -- this happens between the hours of 2:00 a.m. and 3:00 a.m., and it was a popular person that got shot on larkin street. also, i am a paid member of the

lower pole can neighbors, and this has never been on their agenda, after hours is a big issue, and this is in your pocket. it shows this month's agenda, also, points of consideration, is sergeant mcauley's park, which is a block away, and that is a todd park, and a lot of things kind of happened about that. also, in front of the park is a pit stop, but it could be called a lot of things, and people hang out there because of that. also, there was a bus zone which is alongside the restaurant

which will cause people to hang out there, and my main question is, where will the restaurant -- will be restaurant be allowed to have the alcohol go out the door clap i don't know -- go out the door? i don't know. >> thank you very much. >> all right. >> seeing no further public comment, public comment is closed. discussion? >> if i can make a couple of quick comments to some of the thoughts that were just brought up, with regards to the neighborhood group not being notified, i am sensing that is not a tactic to not communicate with the community, i think it might be more, possibly a communication problem, but my sense is that most of us are

familiar with this business, and my experience has been this is a responsible operator. to his other point, i think they are all valid, but i think we would all agree them the more active a block is, the safer it is. i would suggest having this business open for an additional hour could actually put people in a better environment, versus having a dark street that seen active, and those few walking along it are vulnerable to predators. with my comments been concluded, i would make a motion for approval with the staff recommendation. i believe and just a good neighbor policy. >> second. [roll call]

>> your permit has been granted. please follow up with the deputy director at your earliest convenience. congratulations. >> can i recommend to the owner to pleas reach out to mr nolte? thank you. >> all right. then next agenda item, which i believe has requested a continuance. >> due to a family emergency, the applicants were not able to attend this evening, so it is recommended their application is continued to the march 5th. >> can you say exactly what location this is? >> this is for hotel san francisco. >> so if i'm correct, we have to vote on this. but we also have to have public comment on it. >> correct. >> yes, have public comment, then you can make a motion to continue it. >> is any public comment on the hotel san francisco agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed.

do we have a motion? >> per the request of the applicant, i would like to make a motion to continue this agenda item to the next meeting. >> second. [roll call] >> it has been continued to. final permit tonight. >> onto the next. of all final permit applications are for a place of entertainment and mechanical amusement device permit for 3910 a lounge in the enrichment. this application would can -- was continued from our last commission hearing on february 5th, 2019. the commission voted to continue this item to tonight's hearings of the applicants could revise their security plan pick previously we heard from officer bryant from richmond station on the concerns about the safety issues that have occurred at and around the premises, however, the officers did wish to permit

the application with added conditions. since the last hearing, they submitted a revised security plan that was revised by the station and entertainment commission staff. they provided feedback to the applicant in ways to strengthen the security plan, and ensure it coincided with the p.d. recommendation's discussed at the last hearing. all parties involved with the revision agreed on the final version that is attached in your file pick the sergeant is here to speak on behalf of richmond station, and the owner is represented by michael rennie, to speak on behalf of 3910 lounge. >> thank you. i think we are fairly familiar with this item. [laughter]. >> i don't speak for everybody, but just for myself, i would like to hear what has been done since the last time you were here until now, and then i would love to have the police come up, and asked their opinion as well and we can vote. >> i will try to make it brief. commissioners, again, i am here

with henrik -- henry chang who is the owner of -- he is now actually purchasing from his father avenue called 3910 lounge on gary boulevard. as we talked about it the last time, this is a very problematic block. if i could just get the overhead, just to refresh your recollection. we are only number 3 in a problem incidence on that one block. there is a four hour burger king , a couple doors down, there is ireland's 32 which is basically right in front of my client's door in the same building, and we understand, and we really look to this with every new security plan. we actually made a couple versions. i would like to thank kaitlin for helping with that. a lot of comments, a lot of changes, i think we've got it right.

despite all that, i had one table on page 4. you should read that we will cultivate improved relationships with richmond police station and request their help in disbursing crowds, when it is necessary. we understand the police aren't there to move crowds along. our security staff will do it when it gets to be too crazy, or it creates a life safety issue, then we will call richmond station. i would like to bring this up. this kind of bothered me. i've heard, mostly from the fire department, he doesn't have any permits, he doesn't have any permits. so i did some permit history and went through henry's stuff, and in february of last year, 2018, it was issued.

this was to fix and n.o.v. from 2017, and construct two new storage premises, or two storage rooms. that went right into a revision plan which is at this permit ending in 3,220, and if you can see this, this one specifically was to provide -- to revise that other permit i just showed you. to provide new hallway for second exit, and revised upward to the occupant load. there are two doors, two fire doors. this is a fire core door coming into the premise. the front door comes in here, this is a bar area, this is a fire core door with two double

doors going out. the scope of work again, this will be 157 occupants. the scope of work is to provide a new second exit hallway. that particular plan, we are waiting for the roof to get fixed to put in the sheetrock, but this one really got to me. and other permit, this was to add a fire suppression system, very sophisticated, i don't know if you can see that. but that is waiting for the sheetrock with its -- so they can finish the electrical. these are very expensive systems. this is the fire exit door, the second doorway, and this is looking down the long fire corridor towards that same door, again, waiting for the roof to be fixed so they can put in the

sheetrock. but, if you notice, this is what got to me. this is for the sprinkling system and the fire suppression system. you'll notice that the sprinklers were signed on the file and inspection on 12619, and the fire department making representation that this is unsafe. >> can you slide it up a little bit? >> thank you. >> the fire department, way before the super bowl, signed off on this as safe and gave it a final. i was pretty shocked to see that after what i've heard about what about no permits. >> can you put that back for one second, you might be misinterpreting that form. under fire, under final inspection required, they are signing off, hang on a sec.

>> the refs are over here. >> basically, this is where they sign for filing. >> i got it. >> they signed off on it. that being what it is, the security plan, we have talked about it a little bit, i did one change on it. he does have good security. this company is now expanding into nevada and southern california. they have 300 employees, and you'll notice it costs a lot of money every night for security. outreach, january 9th we held a community meeting. we posted a flyer around the neighborhood. it was also slips under the doors of everybody in the neighborhood. ten people showed up. and we provided a great buffet for the folks. he also canvassed out to his commercial neighbors to discuss

his new business model, specifically going from dance club to karaoke lounge. and on that block, or nearby, are two large toyota -- one is the toyota dealership, and the other services. he talked to tony wong over at toyota service and sabrina who runs the toyota sales. bear with me. we understand that this is a very problematic block. my client is well aware now that this has been a problem -- been problematic since karma lounge about five years ago. it has been a very problematic venue. we got to talk to the sergeant for about ten minutes outside, and talk about fire safety, when you call the police, certain

things, and he will speak to whatever, but one thing i said to my client is, look, you are in the whole, you have four or five years worth of bad actions, and that's why people seem to be coming down hard on you right now, but you will get beyond that. number 1, you need a safe place, number 2, given the block, you have to have really good security. and i do think they have really good security. if you have any questions for my client, otherwise i would request a tentative grant. >> i just want to clarify. on the fire department, that's not really a fire suppression, it is a fire evacuation system. it is usually connected to the pole station of the sprinkler. so -- >> i didn't want to go too into it --

>> don't be so upset, because a fire department works two hands. the building inspection fire guy checks off certain things, and the public assembly fire guy, i think they are trying to blended together now, but it's almost double inspection, double the fees, but the guy from assembly thinks differently then the guy from building, so i think right now i heard that the fire department is trying to speed things up, and try to combine these services together, but when you apply for public assembly, the fire marshal is different, and that's why it maybe the fire marshal is giving you grief, or the building guy signed you off. there maybe confusion there, so i just want to clarify that. >> i get it, but i have had a million inspections. i can tell you, i will represent this is a pretty safe space. it does have an active sprinkling system, it will have a central monitoring, you saw the box, there are two big

exits, and the exit may not have sheetrock on it, but this fire exit does have the proper illumination, and when they are open, he keeps it clear. this fire corridor is about 30 or 40 feet going into the end of the place, and it is sort of safe now. we were told that we couldn't open period. my client is living with that because we are getting our sign off soon, and we want to make everybody happy. >> first of all, i wanted to say thank you for taking all the concerns that were raised seriously. i appreciate that you are trying to keep this business going, and that you are trying to work with the police, work with us, so i really want to say thank you.

thank you for redoing the security plan and trying to continue to provide entertainment, and look out for the health and well-being for the folks that are there. i still feel slightly uneasy about this, but i am prepared to support it, largely because i appreciate all the work that has gone into this, and that you are able to have the sfpd review the security plan, after working with them, and hopefully this will lead to better partnership, and keeping the whole block safe i realize the block is not your responsibility. your business is your responsibility, but that is part of what being in community means thank you. >> thank you for coming again. in light of the problematic history of this particular then you're in the past, i was

wondering if you had considered creating an incident logbook so you can keep track of the incidents in the future so you can look back and see what is the pattern, what are the issues going on, if things are recurring again and again then you can come up with a strategy for the issue. if it is coming back over and over again, versus just committing it to memory. i'm not inclined to make it a condition on your application this time, i will just see if you can commit to creating that. >> yes. >> thank you. >> all right, i would love to hear from the police on this one, and then we will just have some general thoughts for you guys after. >> i don't know if you prepared anything specifically, or if you just want us to ask questions, okay, got it, awesome. >> i'm from richmond station. i reviewed the security plan and

the updated version of it, too. i was fine for it -- fine with it, except for page 4 where we will cultivate an improved relationship with the police station and request their help in dispersing crowds. he corrected it and said when it is necessary. other than that, i am good with this plan. >> does anybody have any questions? >> good evening. you are looking as sharp as ever , representing the department well. [laughter] >> my first question, on one of your conditions, and please, i'm not putting you on the spot, i'm just trying to understand. you talk about two security guards for thursday, friday, and saturday. you are big -- asking it to begin at 8:00 p.m. is there a rhyme or reason for that time? >> no, it was just meeting in the middle between us and them. they wanted 9:00 p.m., we want

to 7:00 p.m., we compromised at 8:00 p.m. >> okay. and then ... i think that's it. i'm good, thank you. >> i am good, thank you. i appreciate hearing from you personally, though. >> can we bring up the applicant one more time? >> yes, please bring up the applicant one more time. we have a couple more questions, i think. >> good evening. the conditions that richmond station is recommending, are you comfortable with those? >> we don't have much going on at 8:00 p.m., and it is always good not to put businesses under financial stress. lieutenant, you know more than anybody what happens when you've

been under financial stress. they start taking risk with promoters they shouldn't have. we are fine with hpm. -- we are fine with hpm. >> i want to make sure your client understands this. if we propose this condition, this would be outside the scope of, it is actually -- anyway, the specific section, it requires one per 100. what that means if there is three people in their 8:00, you will have two -- >> i think my client has two security guards. i have looked at his records. >> but it starts at 9:00 p.m. >> right, okay. >> monthly calendar number 2 of the proposed conditions is fine. entertainment will end by one pete -- 1:00 a.m. we asked that that be extended

by 130 a.m. just on the weekend. number 4 about the security cameras, this is good for my client, good for liability issues, and good for everybody. >> okay. that is it. that is all i have. >> i just have some general thoughts. >> one quick question. before these doors to the karaoke rooms, they have windows, correct? >> yes. >> i just wanted to make sure. >> it did seem to me, from the our last meeting that maybe you had some reservations of working with the entertainment commissioner a police and fire as partnership, and maybe felt that the recommendations they were making were recommendations, not report -- not requirements.

i just hope that the process that you've gone through here has changed your mind on that, and that you are seeing that having a sergeant, and having a station that would recommend you forward for approval, even given some egregious things that appear to happen, whether they allegedly happened to, i thank you have partners here, your partners with the police, and you have partners with the entertainment commission. i would encourage you to work to consider us your best friends here. we are trying to help you, and we need you to work alongside us, rather then against us. and that means if we ask you to do something, with the police ask you to do something, that maybe your first reaction can be to do it, and then also, that if there are issues that you are having that you can't handle, we don't know the answer to, you can use this as a resource as well. public safety is our concern.

there are sprinklers, their -- maybe the fire situation is a little less terrifying than it was made out to be, but in general. the other thing that i say is having a 24-hour burger king might be a scorch on that neighborhood, but it also could be a huge positive for your business. it is busy, there's another bar there. what we found, in areas like this that can be problematic, is there are benefits to that, but at the end of the day, you are choosing to do business there, and that means you have to operate at a higher level then somebody does doesn't operate in a neighborhood that is problematic. i found that in my own business is over and over again. you want to be on a busy block, in the mid to outer richmond, then that comes along with that. it is a responsibility you have. what we would love to see is you working together with ireland 32, with burger king, with the police, with us, to make the area safer, make the area later.

if you do that, you can turn this whole area around and you will be successful as well. those are just my thoughts. you can have a seat unless there is any other considerations. >> yes, you can have a seat. >> his or any public comment on this agenda item? public comment is closed. we will entertain emotions. >> can i suggest some conditions >> in a couple of these -- some of these are unique and they are being sensitive to our first experience with this operator. let me read them, and maybe we can explain. the first condition i would like to propose is the permittee acknowledges that at all times a premise is open to the public, that the permittee is solely responsible for the operation and conduct of the business. number 2, at any time, excuse me. at no time shall the permittee allow a third party for mote -- promoter of any control over the marketing, management,

operations, staffing of this business. number 3, at all times, the premise is open to the public, and manager -- excuse me, a readily identifiable manager it should be site. can you quickly speak to the first two while technically under the letter of the law, we know that you are responsible for your business, for some of the earlier comments by this applicant -- on the rarest of occasion, we can and should add a condition when it highlights an area of concern that might be a more in their face reminder of these concerns that we have. that is why i am proposing the first two. just reinforcing the fact that this is his business, he is the responsible party, you can finger point about private events in them being passed off to somebody category brought in the promoter and they did their promoting, i didn't know this would happen. these are all things i've experienced in the past with similar operators. the only other comments i have

is i would like to proposed also a condition on lighting. it would read, the exterior premise should be equipped with lighting of sufficient power to illuminate and make easily discernible the appearance and conduct of all persons on or about the premises efficiently. lighting shall not disturb the normal privacy, and use of any neighboring residents. i bring that up because this is an area -- in particular that is very busy, anything some adequate lighting really helps to keep people in check. the only thing i was going to bring up was i do have a lot of experience in seeing places get overly conditions. so far, everything i have talked about does not have an economic impact. i would defer to my fellow commissioners, but i am seeing some flexibility at the a.t.m. for security if we are going to consider that's. i'm very familiar with that area.

i have dunn's tons of enforcement. that little corridor there, that my experience does not kick off at eight. i would entertain considering a later time, and then the rest of the conditions i would actually support. those are my comments. >> are you suggesting a 9:00 p.m. start for security? >> i am. indifference to the sergeant, i think that would be a good compromise, considering i don't even know if he would be at capacity and 9:00 p.m., and we would still be stepping up the standard above what would be expected under the police code section. thank you for mentioning that, that was in my notes. i would like to also add on the back end the security remain on site 30 minutes after the closing of the business. this is a very busy corridor cat that is when it is busy.

just to help quietly disperse the crowd. >> is that the cloak -- is that the closing propose that 1:00 p.m.? >> you are right. entertainment will end at 1:00 a.m. every night of the week. i don't have a comment on that one. i will defer to my fellow commissioners. >> if it is just karaoke, i am thinking 1:30 a.m. isn't a problem. the lighting, you know, they kind of share that airlock with ireland 132. if they have to lighted up, with that affect the bar in the front? >> that is exactly my intention, commissioner. they are not in front of us today. my intent is to illuminate the area better than it currently is

>> and you are just talking about that airlock, right? not the outside of the building. >> i'm not looking to make it a spotlight. the spirit of this condition allows a flexibility for the applicant. i know he is very familiar with this condition. the spirit of it is to illuminate it in a professional manner. we are not trying to make it so bright that no one wants to go there, i think -- grant did a very good job when i worked with them, whoever they may have been, finding middle ground of adequate lighting where everyone queued up cackle at not being obnoxious were people didn't want to come, or it didn't interfere with neighbors getting beams of bright light in their home. >> ambient. >> that's fine with me, if it is just like a chandelier, or some kind of light, not a floodlight. we don't want his neighbors complaining to him, or some kind of thing on that, but i'm

thinking 1:30 a.m. for a karaoke bar is okay with me. 9:00 p.m. is good, so what do you guys think? >> i am fine with the amendments i'm also fine with the 9:00 p.m. and the 1:30 a.m. should we put all of this -- >> i just have one question. are you limiting all outside promoters. >> her majesty the queen: -- >> let me be clear. he is responsible for that. things could go bad, and they would say, it is not my fault, i did not know the promoter would advertise this way. i am not removing promoters, i am just reinforcing that he is responsible, no matter who he brings in, and i am happy to do a motion and try and respin all this with everyone's collective comments.

>> i just want to clarify with staff, if it is 8:00 p.m., and he has over 100 people, is required to have security guards automatically. we are hedged against that. >> i was thinking we could work that notwithstanding. it is in the police code. >> that is clear that you have to have at least one. my only concern is there will be a busy night at 8:00 p.m., and they maybe should have two, but they will say, i don't have to because -- >> what i would suggest is we put on the front and, notwithstanding 1060.34. >> commissioners, me a point you to their revised security plan, on page 2, the police department has a condition that they have one security person for every 74 guests. >> okay.

>> very specific. i just wanted to know something that the sergeant just grabbed my ear about, just the fact that ireland 32 lets out at exactly 1:30 a.m. as well. i guess the police department has sincere concerns over having both establishments letting out at the same exact time. >> if the entertainment ends at 1:30 a.m., that does not necessarily mean that people leaves at 1:30 a.m. e-mail around for a bit. is ireland 32, do they have everybody out at the location at 1:30 a.m. exactly, or do they mill about until 2:00 a.m. as well? >> i don't know specifically. i was just reading it off of the security plan here. they let out seven days a week at 1:30 a.m. that is two clubs, or whatever you guys want to call them, letting out at the same location at the same exact time.

the crowd would be bigger. >> that is unfortunate. that is the nature of the beast. the reality is my recollection has an unrestricted liquor license. they are just releasing at 1:30 a.m., so they are in compliance at 2:00 a.m., but nonetheless, it is a valid consideration. >> but it also puts responsibility in the hands of the operator, with having the security to then monitor that situation, and then you have to take care of it, you can to watch -- wash your hands of it. it is added responsibility on the operator that we are giving. that is the way i see it. >> i think it is just like anywhere, like broadway, they all get out at 2:00 a.m. it is great to have staggered closing, but obviously, entertainment has to stop, and you have to start getting people out. but as long as the doors are shut at 2:00 a.m., it is their legal right.

>> so, it sounded like the makings of a motion. unfortunately we will probably need a commissioner to reiterate. >> the only thing i am concerned about is a comments that the deputy director made regarding the 74. i am trying to find that because was at page 5? >> page 2 at the very first at the very top. >> i certainly don't want to bring the applicant up. deputy director, can you articulate why you came up with 74? >> the maximum occupancy will be set at 150 people. the officer conditioned it at 74 to ensure there will always be three at their maximum capacity. >> okay. >> thirty en site based on their maximum capacity. >> so this 74 got injected at the suggestion of the police department. >> that is correct. >> they obviously