report, again, and i appreciate the photographs. i think it was a great idea to have the photographs on the screen so that the audience, as well as the general public, can be aware of what we have displayed. i think the photographs are very affective. i also, again, as you give your report, it encompasses and has many components of the department. i want to acknowledge chief zanoff as well. particularly were chief zanoff at jeff adochi's memorial, and i appreciate the kind of level chief zanoff and chief cochran gave to the members that were $. there. again, in terms of division of fire prevention and investigation, fire marshal decozio, thank you

for your efforts. i had many opportunities to interact with your fire personnel prevention, but i think on any occasion that you think this commission should be able to have some interaction, or at least some moments of appreciation to those hard-working members, i would be open to that. i think this commission is as well. there is captain bolton and captain chad law who are all part of this particular report. i just wanted to acknowledge that as well. i also see that dr. yea is in the audience as well. i wanted to acknowledge all of the good work that you're doing, doctor. i still am trying to coordinate a joint kind of a meeting between us and the department of health commissioners, but i also know we want to move on to the homeless department as well. well within that endeavor. to the questions that came up in terms of pcmc, i was

able to join that ribbon cutting as well. i appreciate your comments, commissioner verinisi, in terms of the emergency ward because i also am a frequent visitor of the emergency. another continuing dialogue would be a good dialogue. i'm a little concerned in terms of our ambulance response to the new campus on van nuys avenue. i was able to investigate -- investigate is the wrong word -- visit and tour a little of their building. i was a little confused if it was post street or franklin street. i think it is the franklin

street, but i'm not real clear on that. in terms of the transport and the time it takes, it does concern me. perhaps there could be some dyin dialogue with pcmc. maybe there is an off-shoot satellite there in terms of usage, but i think that kind of dialogue still needs to occur. i think there is still a lot of work for improvement. i wanted to give pcmc a congratulations on the new hospital, but i also know there is a period of time things need to be worked out. i just wanted to comment at this particular time. commissioner sleev cleveland. >> thank you, mr. president. a couple of followup questions, returning to the new pcmc hospital on van nuys. do you estimate how long it will be before we're able to send our ambulances there. right now they're being diverted from there, correct?

>> they're going to van nuys now. >> they are going to van nuys? >> yes. so we're able to use that new hospital that is opened? >> yes. >> yes.

>> how do they apply? >> the application is ongoing? >> i thought we should put it out there and make sure that any

paramedic that's out there watching this exciting program, wants to apply can do so. >> i agree. anybody that's out there we encourage you to come to san francisco fire department and the chief has lei' -- laid the d work. >> it's a great steppingstone. hopefully our p.i. officer will put that out there and we can recruit new into the city. >> he's doing a good job. >> thank you. excellent report as usual. >> thank you very much. >> quick mention, thank you mr. president. i understand that there's a lot

of confusion around this new hospital. i understand that the old hospital sent out notices to people that live within three blocks of the hospital to notify them that they will be doing the transferring of patients so they wouldn't be frightened by the ambulances shooting down pine street or sacramento or whichever street there was. there was a big tent set up. they were doing a big transfer. i think if they're going to notify people for the next two month, they should be notifying people on three mile radius by mail. postcard by mail, hey, this is your new hospital. there's too much confusion. i would love the opportunity touring the new hospital to see where station 49 folks are going or experiencing in the way

getting ambulances in and out of there. thanks. >> i don't know if we can put something out via text, or s.f. alert or something. it's not an emergency, this is just an awareness. do they put out messages like that? >> president nakajo: i see your name on the docket. >> real quick president nakajo. thank you. excellent report. i'm glad to see you and all the folks and the leadership. 130 firefighters watching that on tv. that was a dangerous thing to be

close to i thought. my only comment is the new hospital, only bad thing i know when we were having meetings, this big end for variety of reasons to be shrunk down and which is too bad. you have hospital building disaster, building that's one of the strongest buildings probably anywhere. should be there for an earthquake. i think that we have knock it down by 50% because of variety of shadows and height and traffic. that's the only negative i see about that. it's nice to see that it opened.

>> president nakajo: thank you very much commissioner. at this point, thank you very much chief gonzalez, part of your report and operation with that commission myself, we acknowledge certain officers and certain command force personnel. i wanted to acknowledge lieutenant baxter who is here. great job that you do for our p.i.o. officer as well as chief rivera. thank you all for your hard work with this department. thank you very much chief. madam secretary. >> item five. resolution 2019-01, discussion of possible action regarding proposed resolution 2019-'01 recommending that the mayor's office create a task force creating a safer san francisco for the enjoyment of its residents and visitors with the hopes of preventing an increase

in cliff, sea and beach rescue. >> we have your resolution commissioner veronese within our packet. >> commissioner veronese: thank you mr. president. this commission, we have been talking about a marine dedicated marine unit. it's been on our list every year before we go to the mayor's office. it has been obviously a concern of myself and seems to be concern of some my fellow commissioners that needs to be addressed in the way that we need to put some resources towards our cliffs and marine unit. the chief i believe is doing a job, good job of allocating resources until that's done, we

have new station 35 coming. we have a new boat. we're training people to use this new boat. on june 22, 2017, that's a day that i will never forget because that is the day that we lost victoria morocco. i remember that day. my niece, who is in the back row there, she was one of victoria's best friends. i know chief knows this family too. long, historical war family in san francisco, significant at ad big family. i i want to acknowledge my niece. at the time this incident happened, she was the president of the youth commission here in san francisco. when that incident happened, i

actually took the president of the youth commission and went down and to the cliff area to try to understand, get a better understanding of what it was that was drawing people to this site. i was born and raise san franciscan, i haven't spent much time along these sites. having been there with the cliff rescue crew, which i believe is station 34. they brought us out there and showed us what it is that's happening out there. it's an eye-opening experience. it is extremely beautiful on a clear day to be out there on the cliffs. i see what is drawing people and kids to hang out along these cliffs. but at the same time, as i work my way through the response to that particular incident, i also learned that there are nine different agencies that actually respond to the cliff and marine

areas around san francisco we know we are surrounded by water on three sides. you realized in talking to some of those agencies, that there are gaps in services. i know that particular day, our jet skis were called off at the goldengate bridge because of the rough water. we were very fortunate to have the jet ski crew. they were getting off just half hour after. it would have been a much different rescue this happened half hour after. it got me to thinking, having visited this location, there are some signage there, there's some

-- they have cords that are there say don't go pass there. it's very clear that information is being ignored regularly. it's evident in the fact that we see in these reports and we get them in weekly text messages, almost weekly, there's at least two people. if the weather gets better, it will increase. there's two people that we're pulling out the water, we're pulling off one of the cliff or somebody done gone down the cliff. when i went to the incident on february 22nd of this year, where that young lady was trapped in the dirt, it collapsed on her, i saw the pictures and i saw the firefighters down there with shovels digging with digging at that dirt, base of that cliff with the water rushing behind them literally tide coming up and down. the water coming up and decision

being made that this is just too dangerous for -- we had 25 members down there digging. it was really a thing to see. it was just too dangerous because i went down there and took a look at it and rest of it could have come down on the firefighters. it is reallial -- really dangerous circumstance any time this department responds. not only these cliffs are dangerous for the citizens of this city, it's also dangerous when we respond. there's a certain obligation we have to pond to these dangerous things. we know we're putting ourselves if the line of danger. i think as a commission as a department, we have a responsibility to our people and the responsibility to people of san francisco to minimize those dangers and those risks as much as possible.

that's what really this resolution is about. it's not -- it's a call on the city because this is one of nine departments that have a say out here. i list those departments in this resolution. the police department obviously, the u.s. park service, our department, the park and rec, the youth commission because kids are out there playing around on those coasts. they are still out there drinking along the coastlines, the port commission, highway patrol, u.s. coast guard. there are lot of different agencies out there. we have an obligation as a fireplace department to respond continucontinuously to do our bo identify the resources that are needed. it's not just us. to identify the gaps in services, in other words, when people are off.

what is is just going to be the fire department out there? what time of day does that happen? what are the limitations of the u.s. coast guard? he don't use their -- they didn't get too close to cliffs. there are gaps and services that we fully need to understand. then what technologies could we get that will help us? drones for example, the drone conversation became important when i first visited this cliff. listening to the chief in the middle of the night, listening to them on radio and listening to troops saving lives, it's a tragic thing to listen to. there's no excuse for us to waste time on those cliffs. with gaps in technology, are

there things we can do on signage? there are hundred different questions that i think we have an obligation to be asking and that's what this resolution does. it calls on the city family to ask those important questions. since we are responding, i have asked the mayor's office to include somebody from this department and maybe somebody from this commission, i volunteer for that, to stay on top of this and to report back to the mayor in a report after these conversations happen to say, look, this is what we need. this is what we would make it better. maybe we can get park and rec out there to plant poison ivy where they are hanging out on the cliffs so they don't hang out. maybe we can get better signening tha -- signage that'sn

foreign language. what is it that we can be doing. i think we have an obligation to be asking those questions. that's what this resolution does. it is agnostic to a budget because it may identify things that are needed. it doesn't call on us to do those things. i think it's an important resolution. i know that when the transbay terminal cracked, we shut thing down and nobody life was lost. we shut down parts of the city all the time before lives are lost. i'm not saying to shut down our coast. that's an impossible task. what i am saying, people are dying there on a regular base. it happens once a year. it happens at least twice a year. it has since i've been on there. we're cliff rescue at least once a week. we have an obligation, i believe, to do this job. it is within our mission to do this job. we are responding there anyway

and putting our guys and girls on the line. i ask for your support in this resolution. i think it is an important resolution. by look forward to your comments. >> president nakajo: thank you very much commissioner. we'll take public comment on this item. please approach. please identify yourself. >> i want to acknowledge this is my niece, full disclosure. she is in town on her spring break from rome where she is attending school there. she chose her school year instead of junior year to go abroad. i thank her for being here. >> i'm here from italy. i'm here to speak about my support for this resolution.

my uncle mentioned previously, victoria was one of my best friends. i will remember june 2017 for the rest of my life. not only because i lost one more my best friends but i lost a lot of confidence in our coastlines. several of my friends to this day, several people you know still drink on that coastline and for someone who is sober like tori, the coastline is unsafe. for people who are drinking, smoking and doing drugs, that coastline is even more unsafe. none of us can bring tori back or fix the pain it caused in the community. we can fix and prevent someone else going through this. everyday i message tori's family. i i've been close with them. nothing will ever fix the pain they went through. we as a city can fix the

coastline and make sure no one else has to go through that again. i urge for your support on this. thank you for everything you're doing. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. please sir, approach the podium. please identify yourself. >> my name is mike coleman. i'm a retired fireman. i work out there for 15 years with cliff and surf rescue. we were always amazed that it maybe different, you're allowed to on the beach, you're required to have a leash above. you can allow your dog to be off leash. majority of our callers were dogs that get stuck. owner would go after the dog. we would get the name of the

dog, the dog would manage to find his way up and we'd have to have an operation to anchor it down. if there was a resolution to maybe allow people who have a strong advocate for their pets, to be off leash, you might want to consider have a resolution to not allow dogs off leash up there on the top of a crumbling cliff. you might want to consider that with other issues. it was a lot of -- every time it happened we were like why are they allowing people and dogs to go off leash and erode all the plant from everything that gets dug up? every time we're out there, we're affecting that cliff too and the rest is history as far as the collapse of the cliff. maybe there's a resolution to

change that rule that dogs off leash up there. just a note. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. any member of the public wish to give public comment at this time on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. chief hayes-white. >> chief hayes-white: thank you for coming in public comment. i had the pleasure meeting you before. sorry for the loss of your friend. i applaud joe veronese for putting this forward. the continuation of this dialogue will serve the city well. it is many agencies that need to come together. i'm fully supportive of this. we do have some good news. i like to acknowledge lieutenant baxter in the rear of the room, through his efforts, working collaboratively with other agencies, and putting the message out there, i have some

statistics. one is too many if you ask me. .does show we're moving in the right direction. for cliff rescues total cliff rescues in 2016, 22, 2017, 41, in 2018, 30. that shows marked improvement. surf rescues in 2016, 41, 2017, 28, and 2018, 26. bay rescue rescues are down as n 2016, 102, 2017, 113 and 201879. national park service has contributed. we'll continue to do as well as new signage has been put up. this resolution would support the efforts in minimizing those numbers. thank you.

>> president nakajo: thank you very much chief hayes-white. commissioner cleaveland. >> commissioner cleaveland: tha. this is an issue that commissioner veronese brought up many times and i would like to fully support the resolution. we are peninsula, we have water on three sides. we have duty to better educate our citizens, our visitors on the dangers being near the cliff. i like the idea also requiring dogs to be on leash along the cliff. that's a no brainer in my opinion. i know we're not going to vote on the resolution today. we need to have the full resolution read into the record and the resolution we have read is different from the one that we have here. i fully support it.

i look forward to working with all the agencies that need to really come together here. we have nine different agencies that are in charge of various aspects of cliffs and coastline protection. we need to know who does what, when and where. are are those gaps and service so we can reduce those 30 rescues in 2018 of cliffs down to zero in 2020. thank you. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. >> commissioner hardeman: thank you president nakajo. this is a good job commissioner veronese. i support whatever this turns out to be. it was a great idea. i know when i was kid, when it was daylight, we were never in the house.

i climbed -- [indiscernible] in the city, we used to climb the cliffs all the time. one time other guy was behind me, i can't even point where it was or wherever it was exactly. all you know i couldn't see in front of me or behind me. i couldn't move. i was there. i don't know exactly how long. itrying to remember up 75 feet. i don't know exactly. i got stuck. i can see how dog can get stuck. it happened to me. i decided just to go forward, eventually -- it's a very dangerous area. we used to climb there all the time and probably weren't supposed to. we just did it.

nobody was fat and everybody was in shape. that was my age group. we were out. we were doing stuff. the whole city was a big playground. the parks were all like golf courses and like greens. it was a different world. anyway, made me think of this cliffs - -- the guy who climbedp high. he climbed. i don't know if anybody saw that

movie. that story on where he thought he was going to not make it because he's climbing without any gear. just went up 3000 feet. it was greatest athletic thing i ever seen. he's the greatest athlete i have seen. he climbed that cliff without anything. hnot too long before that, almot broke his ankle. he would do it with ropes and gear and he did it on his own. other thing i remember is listening, he said, he was afraid, he would get scared up there. wow, you scared up there and you climbing, made me feel good when i was scared, that one time, got

stuck and it's a normal thing. you have to have fear to make it. anyway, i had to bring that up. you have to see that. i was in the paper yesterday as greatest documentaries ever about this person. thank you for your work commissioner veronese. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. at this time, vice president covington, she wants to call it. >> vice president covington: th. i'm so pleased that we're having this discussion. it's a very important discussion. i think when we have subject matter experts in the house, we should feel free it call upon them. i like to call battalion chief who was incident commander for the cliff rescue that chief

gonzalez reported in hi -- durig hisremarks. have you had opportunity to read the resolution? >> yes ma'am i'm in complete support of it. >> vice president covington: is there any additional information that you like to provide at this time? >> other than what chief gonzalez provided for you, this is what we call high-risk low frequency event. the members of the san francisco fire department, the men and women did a phenomenal job. i was not dispatched to the incident. i am not part of the what we call the red system. [plead stand by]

>> the entire operation was completely, completely something that we had to maybmaintain situational awareness on. it was about two hours into the incident where i called for a recount of the action plan, we set a beautified plan with the national service and the g.c.w., and cd3 showed up as well. and we were on the telephone with fire chief hayes white who also provided her insight into the operations because the cds 1, 2, and 3 react to something like this. it was two hours and 45 minutes into the incident, and that's when we received all of the input

from both canine units, the cadaver unit, and everyone else on the scene to now switch from a rescue to recovery. we felt very confident about that certainly because we didn't want to have any life hazard issues. and the only life hazard issue at that point was the life and safety of our members. >> battalion chief jeradivac, can you talk a little about the pecking order. because there is the national park service, there is the united states coast guard, the united states park police. and then there are state agencies, and then the local agencies. who is in charge of all of these different entities and their personnel at an incident like this? >> yes, ma'am. so we employ i.c.s.immediately.

we end upsetting up groups and divisions, and because this is an allied agency operation, where we have allied jurisdictions, we immediately set up what we call is a unified command. however, within that unified command, there is still one incident commander, and it is the fire department who employees that. and it was battalion "a," chief merdock, who was doing a fantastic job. and it is up to me if i want to offer my support. after i received a briefing from her i went ahead and accepted command, and went ahead and made her operations, and certainly employed the input of n.p.s., d.p.w., and one of the canine units, and one of the canine units came from south city. and as part of my command set-up, the p.i. o. acted

as p.i.o. as well as liason. >> thank you very much. i think we have a more robust picture of what is going on and how coordination is so key. i would also like to call up lieutenant baxter at this time, too. thank you, chief jeradivac. >> good morning, commissioners, chief, command staff, chief nicholson, congratulations. my name is lieutenant jonathan baxter. i'm the public information officer for the san francisco fire department. two items i would like to address is the first questions that was being asked about the public education i believe by commissioner fernazi, and what we're actually doing and how it is actually being of benefit and affective. sorry. starting last year, we increased our efforts to expand on an actual banner

at station 34 on high surf advisory days. we have pamphlets we produced in-house at the fire department on surf safety and coastal safety information. our operation mode right now is when we do have a high surf advisory or warning dates, which is issued by the national weather service, we ask our crews on the coastal and bay lines to actually go out and hand out these fliers, do what we call face-to-face consentual encounters, and let people know the dangers and beauty of our coastline. we don't want to persuade them from actually being there, but we want them to have education of what the safe perimeters are. in addition to that, we have asked our partners at d.e.m. and department of public works to place the construction signs -- basically when we're

driving down the highway and we see a sign that says "construction ahead," and those are being placed at sloot avenue and at the cliff during high-surf warning days, and they'll stay up for usually 12 hours after the warning has expired, just for a message to go out there. our partners at the national parks service have actually done a great job in being advocates of this safety information, with their park rangers, their park police officers with the u.s. park police, and also our own police department here in san francisco, the district cacaptains have allowed their officers to have this information and to hand out the same information on a 24/7 basis as they are constantly on patrol out there meeting the public. we have also encouraged a number of our local vendors, the coffee shops around the coastal areas, to have our actual fliers on their counter-tops and

allow our firefighters, when they are there supporting our communities by purchasing coffee or items at that locations to actually stay there for a little longer and hand out that information as well. in the last year, we have seen what i would state is a very good decrease. again, any injury, any rescue or any fatality is one too many, like the chief stated. but we have seen a good, positive decline in those. and i also want to mention we have had a not very good weather year as well. so i think the weather impact is something that we should attribute to the decrease in these rescues as well, not placing it all on our efforts. and then do you have any questions as to the fort fundston event? >> no, i don't have any questions to the fort

fundston incident at all. in your outreach, have you specifically interacted with the students, the teachers, and the administration at s.i.? because that seems to be one of the key things to do. not just with s.i., but also with the public schools. but to really get the word out to the young people that this is a very serious matter, that you're parents, at the end of the day, want you to come home. they want you to come home. and making choices that endanger your life, even though you think it's safe, there is proof that it isn't safe. we really have to, you know, try as much as possible to get the word out to your young people. and let them know the names of the people who

were lost, and what their ages are. so, anyway, have you done any outreach? >> if i could just on this specific incident related to tori loraca, there was a debrief, and it was very impromptu, but a member of my department and myself participated with some of the staff and all of the other young adults that were on the scene. maybe within about an hour to 90 minutes after that incident. we don't regularly do that, but i know that is part of the messaging that you're working on. >> i think it would be very helpful at the beginning of every school year, to go to the high schools and talk about this. the middle schools -- we don't seem to be having a problem with the middle schoolers, so the high

schoolers, at the beginning of every school year, lay this out and hand out this information. so by the time you're a senior, you will have heard this four times and hopefully it will sink in. >> so the answer to the question is: we have done some outreach at the public schools, but not specifically at s.i. we just had our community outreach and recruitment and education, and this was one of the topics. and there were a number of issues, and this is one of them, to not only our public schools, but our private schools as well. we are already looking at how we're addressing it and we have a liason that will be working on it as well, and we'll keep you updated and appraised on our movement on that. >> good. i'm glad to know we're all thinking alike on this. and i support this resolution. and i think the two copies that we have are

redundant, they're exactly the same. they're not? you'll explain it? okay, thank you. [inaudible] >> okay, because i did ask madam secretary if they were different. so you will liquidate that matter. thank you very much. >> thank you for having me. >> thank you. >> thanks, john. >> so very important work, and i want to thank commissioner joe alioto for putting in the time to do this and putting it all on paper so that we can move forward. >> thank you, vice president covington, and commissioner veresi. >vernesi.>> to dove tail on what the commissioner was saying and to add to what commissioner covington was saying, that particular incident, those are s.i. kids. kids from the s.i i.

lacrosse team. lieutenant, if you did just a bit of superficial digging, you could find out the names of the kids and talk to their parents and potentially save a life by doing that. but i support generally an education and outreach to the high schools, the kids that do hang out there, because it is an important conversation that needs to happen. people are dying out there. and our first responders' lives are being put at risk trying to save lives out there. so those are two very good reasons why those conversations need to happen. i want to thank the chief for the step-up and the p.i.o. conversation that have happened. i have seen the signs when we had the unusually high waves -- >> the surf advisory? >> the surf advisory. the signs went up and the beaches were essentially shut down. we probably had no lives to save out there that day

because of that. so thankfully that happened. but i think there needs to be a broader conversation that needs to continue. i know the weather is going to get better, and if it does, these calls are going to get better. we all know that. it is a worthwhile task. the differences in the versions, the first version i had a mention of ms. la rock on the title. i spoke to nick la rock, which is the father of victoria. this resolution is a request to the mayor's office to take this action. and i thought a lot about this because i know the mayor has got a lot on her plate, and she really does have a lot on her plate. she is solving a lot of these really important problems. so i labored over whether or not we should ask the mayor's office to do this. and i always get back to this is really important. this is really important. and it is core to our mission.

and it's not a big ask for the mayor's office, frankly. it is the -- the mayor could sign this and say, you know, yeah, go do this. i appoint this person to go do this. and we report back to the mayor in six months with good information. the youth commission i think is critical here in that conversation to the youth and to the high schools because they have outreach programs. and this conversation could be a part of that. so that is the major differences in the risk that nothing is done with this. and i really hope that something is done, and i lend my time to it. and i will dedicate, as you guys know on this commission, that if i put my name to it, i'll do it. so that is the change and the acknowledgement also that the second change -- the second change is the acknowledgement, and the third, whereas tori is not the only person who has lost her life out there. we had the incident on february 22nd, and there

are other people have lost their lives out there. i didn't want to leave those people out because their memories are important, too. in addition to tori's. and so i made some revisions to the language there. but otherwise, you're right, everything else beyond that is the same. and i would move at this time to adopt this resolution. >> thank you very much, commissioner vernesi. i wanted to comment as well. before i do that, are there any other commissioners who want to comment at this particular time? commissioner cleveland? >> i'm just echoing -- i'll go on record as seconding commissioner vernesi's resolution. >> all right. in terms of my comment, again, i appreciate and thank the commissioner in terms of this resolution. we all know that you've been talking about this for a period of time.

i, at this particular point, want to thank the members of the public who gave comment on this as well. i fully support the intention and the spirit of the resolution. part of my questions are that on your page two, third paragraph, you talk about an ad hock taskforce meeting bimonthingmonthly and shall report back to the commissioner. i know the intention of this, non binding -- it is going to be basically presented to the mayor's office, as you say in your paragraph on page two, "be it further resolved that the fire commission respectfully recommends that the mayor of san francisco establishes such an ad hock partnership, with the san francisco police department, the san

francisco department of park and recreation, the youth commission, the san francisco port commission, the california highway patrol, the united nations coast guard, made by repetitions within that." i know on page one, you talked about nine jurisdictions. i was only able to pick up seven on this identification of various entities. i, again, support the spirit of the intention, but i just want to make sure that all of these entities that have been checked off are knowledgeable about this resolution and they are supportive of it. before i continue with my remarks, i want to make sure we get the input of chief gonzalez up here in terms of being operational. chief gonzalez, do you want to approach the podium. i know that you've -- have you had an opportunity to

read this resolution, chief? >> i have not. but i can read it now and make some comments. >> basically what i wanted to do was get your expertise and comment on this. one is, i pointed out, as the commissioner did, the author, on these nine different jurisdictions. and i wanted to know basically, are you, as our deployment representative, been consulted with this and dia dialogued with this? because it calls for a taskforce, through chief hayes white -- the department would have to be involved in this. i communicated with chief verninesi on making sure all of these entities that have been communicated with, i have been in communication with the chief-of-staff of the mayor's office. as i indicated to commissioner verinesi and

it didn't seem like their staff was particularly knowledgeable. i think they understand some of the gift of your resolution, but in terms of a level for the mayor's office, considering that the mayor's office would be the entity that we would recommend, commissioners, i'm not quite sure ouc how much they're ingrained in this. it is very difficult not to adopt the spirit and the intention of the resolution and the importance of that. and i am also supportive of that. i just want to make sure that before we move into a resolution and adoption of that, that the mayor's office, particularly, is checked off with. and we can get some comment. this morning i was -- i was called the other day to attend a meeting with the chie chief-of-staff this morning. we had a greater, grander announcement this morning that superseded my appointment with the chief-of-staff, in the

announcement of chief nicholson as the new chief of the department. also, quite frankly, i haven't had an opportunity to check off with the chief-of-staff on this resolution. and there seemed to be some concern or not real clarity in terms of the coordination. so having said that, and i'll get back to chief gonzalez, commissioners, i know your desires, and i'll adhere to your desires, but i, for one, would like to check off with the mayor's office and continue this resolution to the next resolution -- to the next commission meeting for adoption, until we can make sure. and at that particular point, if i can get some reassurance, commissioner verinesi, that these entities have checked off. i know that the spirit is for us to initiate it, but i'm just cautious and careful that some of these entities are aware of what we're doing here at the

fire commission and that there are no surprises. chief gonzalez, have you had an opportunity to read this. >> yes, sir, i was able to listen to you and read it at the same time. >> you're very talented, chief gonzalez. >> thank you, sir. i like it. i'm definitely behind the idea of it. i saw one line i would recommend. i want to make sure we have our stats tightened up, as far as saying if there is an increase or not because i do believe that the outreach has helped. i believe there has been a decrease, but not a large decree. the point i would make in this resolution is while we have done outreach and some of the other agencies have done outreach, if we do a more clab fi collaborative and bigger push in outreach, as all of the recommendations that were made, more signage, more agencies working on it, we would do a lot better and

we would save even more lives. what i would say is i would wait on this. let's make our recommendations. let's get the exact stats, what we have, and base a recommendation on that. >> okay. i appreciate your comment, chief gonzalez. it is through chief hayes white, i wanted to basically make sure we have a buy-in departmentally because basically the commissioner is asking us to implement this in all-knit, so to speak. there are nine different jurisdictions here, and it takes a period of time to at least give folks a heads-up. the last thing i want to do is see something on tv or the newspaper that doesn't go through this particular commission. i just want to make sure we're all on the same page, same line, exactly on the same concept. commissioner verinesi, if you don't mind a period of

assessment, discussion, particularly from myself, with the chief-of-staff of the mayor's office for terms of clarity in this. i know you offered to attend a meeting with me if that so needs to be necessary. i wouldn't mind bringing that up as far as a resource to the chief-of-staff. but i'm inclined at this particular point to continue this motion to the next fire commission meeting. i think the member of the public who talked about the idea of the dogs being on a leash -- i don't know what jurisdiction that takes, but these things -- it takes time, and i just want to make sure. i have no problem with the point of education. i know that there is a lot of education that we've done. i appreciate the vice president talking about the education to the high schools, to the private catholic high schools, if that is one of the places

they're enjoying the weather or doing what they do. again, for all of us, there are signs out there. but you know, as well as i do, that the public very often crosses those lines and they're out there. i think if we can have some controlled media exposure to that and be able to do that, because the coast is a wide jurisdiction area. chief gonzalez, you have something else to say? >> no. i just thought you still wanted me up there. i can go back. >> you're a multi-tasked chief. >> the chief ordered me to stay up there. >> let me have commissioner verinesi respond to the suggestion we continue this item to myself. we'll adhere to the flavor of the commissioners, but i still think there is a lot of work that has to be done. >> and as a reminder, there is a motion on the floor. >> i understand that, thank you very much. >> thank you, commissioner. i wholeheartedly agree in

the last sentence that you just said, which is, there is a lot of work to be done here. and that is the point of this resolution. this resolution is a call-out to the mayor's office to say, hey, madam mayor, we have a problem that we would like to address. we would like to address it, you know, and with respect we would like you to call a taskforce that includes these jurisdictions. because we're just the fire department over here. we can respond but we can't solve all of the problems. and that's what this does, it just calls on the mayor to put a taskforce together to do it. the mayor can get this and say it's not a priority right now. i thank the fire commission for bringing this up. the fire fire department is doing a great job with their p.i.o., and we've done our job. but if we don't act, we haven't done our job. because our mission is to

protect the public. and that's what i'm asking this commission to do, is to sound the alarm that we have a problem at the coast. and it will help us in future discussions about a marine unit because it will create data around it. and not just data coming from the fire department. data coming from the youth commission about how many kids hang out on those cliffs. data from park and rec to what their visitors are at the park these days. data coming from every one of these departments. this resolution does not call on those departments to mandatoatoratorally participate. i'm not a guy of inaction. we talked about this for two years. you can pick