that would cause a station to grind to a halt because they have activity going all the time. >> commissioner dejesus: do we have any type of protocol where in order to access copy, transfer -- not within the department but off the department other people who are not on the list or who have requested it, do we have a way to track that? do we have an i.d. when they're making a copy? is it pripted to put those little things and put a thumb drive and copy it down? are machines capable of listing when they're being down loaded and identifying who's downloading it? >> i don't want to seem evasive. i understand what this line of

questioning's for, but we're starting to get into investigative leads that we might get into in any investigative case. so to start announcing what i can and can't do -- >> commissioner dejesus: i don't want to get into that. i just want to know do with he have any safeguards in the department to prevent people from turning it over to wrong people in the department or chain of command. >> commissioner dejesus: now if these reports are released improperly, are there other -- i assume 2.0 would come into play, if somebody violated these rules -- the general rules of conduct, if those are have a lated, then you're saying that officers -- whoever uses it, i don't know -- they could be punished.

>> if there was a burglary, and the report divulges confidential information. >> commissioner dejesus: and automatic officers know the general -- all officers know the general order. i think you're talking about section 48, compromise in an investigation, section 49, divulging confidential information, all officers are supposed to know that, correct? >> yes. >> commissioner dejesus: i guess one of the -- i can't find it right now. i guess -- i was looking at, and i guess this is the by the bye. i was looking at the jussie smollett case, and he went to

the public, and the police said they're opening an investigation into the leaks of their report because they sometimes have the issues in a we're having here. i guess i just want to know if we can let the public know that we're taking care of business. i just know with this case, if they're up front and center, that leaks will not be allowed in our department. >> yes, sir. and we actually put out a statement when this first came to our attention. this is a very serious matter, and it's going to be investigated as such, and it'll go from there. it is a very serious matter, and we do want the public to know that unauthorized leaks of information is totally unacceptable. it's -- it hurts the department, it hurts our credibility, it hurts our trust with the public and it's unacceptable. it is, and the investigation is ongoing. >> commissioner dejesus: thank you. >> president hirsch: my understanding is d.p.a. is also

conducting an investigation? >> that is correct. we opened an investigation almost immediately from when the information first started appearing as it started appearing in the press, we started getting complaints that we initiated an investigation. >> president hirsch: thank you. commissioner hamasaki. >> commissioner hamasaki: so we're not dealing with any new d.g.o. or defendants, this is just to give us information on what's in the d.g.o.? >> that's how to authorize release of a police report is what was asked for? >> commissioner hamasaki: no, i think the last part clarified this. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you very much. >> thank you. thank you commissioners. >> president hirsch: anything else from the chief? anything else on your -- no, commissioner, that's it for the

police report. >> clerk: there's a presentation. >> oh, there's one other, women's history. just like the commission and the public to see this. >> president hirsch: okay.

[video] >> that was fantastic. thank you. >> thank you, commissioners, and we really want to highlight the great work that's been done by the women of the san

francisco police department, and we have a lot of people that are contributing to those efforts. the p.o.a. had the women's committee that i meet with regularly. lieutenant sergeant kilshaw was a big part in making this video happen, and really what it amounts to is our recruitment. last two classes have been 20% or higher women, which is great. we're below 15% women right now as far as our sworn percentage, but we do think that we can make a difference here, and we want to really highlight the great work that's been done, so i want to thank publicly everybody that helped, you know, to put this video together. director stevenson is here, and sergeant kilshaw, although she's not here tonight, is a big part of this effort. so just want to point this out and will continue to do it. >> thank you. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. we're ready for the next item. >> clerk: line item 1-b,

d.p.a. director's report. report on recent d.p.a. activities and announcements. d.p.a. report will be limited to a brief discussion of d.p.a. discussions and announcements. >> president hirsch: good evening, director henderson. >> good evening. in terms of the numbers, we are at 127 new cases that have been opened this year. that's up from the 101 cases that we were at this time last year. in terms of cases closed, that number's up to 119, versus the 96 we were up to last year. in terms of total cases, we're at 293, versus 245 which is where we were at last year. the sustain cases were also up. we closed out a number of new cases this week. we're now at 16 that we've closed out this year, versus

five last year. of the cases that are -- that have taken longer in their investigation for closure, we are down now to 24 cases, 19 of those cases have been tolled, so five of them are now not tolled beyond the 270-day mark. we're at 27 this time last year. we also have mediated four cases, which is the same amount we'd mediated last year at this time. in terms of community engagement, there's been a couple of activities within the department, two that i'll just mention. the hearing -- the hearings last week, the d.p.a. was called to testify, talking about the work that the organization does with independent investigations was explained as part of an

evaluation with the sheriff's office about independent investigations. so i think it's great that the department is being used as a model to define and art late what best practices look like for parallel tracks for independent investigation. so that was last week. we'll see where those discussions go. the other thing was just today, i -- [inaudible] >> -- designed for our youth to be applying for the paid positions that are available during the summer. a lot of the city departments were there in force, including the d.p.a. and the police department and the number of appointed and elected city officials. i moderated the panel, but i'm looking forward to the panel of

students that we're getting over the summer that are interested in working with public service. and here, i think that's it for our report. i'd just like to mention in the audience today, i have a number of folks from the office in case issues come up. our new senior clerk, whitney holmes is here, and candace carpenter. also joining me is one of the interns, elijah. thank you for joining me tonight, elijah. >> thank you.

commissioners? >> i want to thank you for what you do and congratulate you and i think it's a great you to take over what the sheriff's department needs. i know it involves more than just a request, but i know it involves a lot of planning. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. next item on the agenda? >> clerk: line item 1-c. commissioner reports. commission reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determine to calendar any of the issues raised for a future commission meeting. commission president's report. commissioner's reports, status update regarding sb 1421. >> president hirsch: my report is this. i had previously mentioned that i'll be asking commissioners to give a brief summary of the

work they're doing for the commission at one of these meetings, and i've decided to ask us to do that at our third meeting -- [inaudible] >> commissioner mazzucco: -- that's all as a result as we're trying to figure out how many officers we need. i did that myself and commissioner elias were on a call with the ab 1421 working group regarding our progress and moving to a commission resolution regarding uniformity

of complainted in the police department. [inaudible] >> commissioner mazzucco: what the officers talked to the high school students is great, and we have one young officer in our department who talked about he has his master's and his under graduate degree. he only graduated from high school in 2011, but his father was killed in a drive-by shooting when he was 11 years old, and he talks to students about why he became a police officer and the challenges of being an african american

police officer in the city. he talked about how they treat everybody with respect, and that's what they did. if they're having a bad day, they're seeing you at their worst moment. so it was a good position to be in on behalf of the commission. >> president hirsch: commissioner elias. >> commissioner elias: i wanted to follow up on the 1421 status. i wanted to commend the city attorney mirroring the policy that we will be rolling out after the statute that was instituted. it's my understanding that the p.o.a. has filed a lawsuit regarding the retroactivity of the resolution and that's to be

held on may 3. it's my understanding that no records have been released by the police department to any p.r.a. requests that have been made after the law was passed as of january 1, 2019. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: okay. so i've been kind of busy. i met with the youth commission ba because we had a draft resolution to have a youth commission sit with us. smart they are. they directed me to the youth committee, and so they had some great changes, requests to make changes so it's clear. so what i'll do when it's time for the agenda, i'm going to ask that we put this on the agenda and i'll give a copy of the draft to everybody, the city attorney, and we'll go over it, but the idea is to have them sit and -- and have them sit with us and comment and make recommendations to all

polishes that affect youth and also participate in our ongoing conversations, so that was great. i also attended the youth event yesterday with the chief. i couldn't stay for the whole thing, but i agree, they had it -- they had it organized. they kept the adults in check so that they could have the floor. i do want to commend the chief, there was a lot of youth there from the school resources, and they broke out in small groups, and we had to listen, but they also were able to given put. i found that -- give input. and i heard a lot of fears. kids when they were growing up, officers coming into their homes and knocking them down. they're still fearful, but they're working on it because

they want a relationship with the police officers. that was really interesting. i'm glad i went. i went to the language access -- what's it called? language -- the language access working group. it met on tuesday for domestic violence and sexual assault providers, and i have to say i was dismayed to know that one of the community groups, a woman, a victim of domestic violence is having difficulty getting a police report and was told it was under investigation so there's no report going to be given. now, the officers are going to look into it because the d.v.b. unit was there. it's just not the law. second thing was there was still discussion regarding access to the bakery, and some -- and there was new things that came out that i don't think i really other hand when we had the -- understood when we had the presentation last week. but when we came -- what's it

called? department of -- >> emergency management. >> commissioner dejesus: emergency management, and it was coded as a priority a. they told us it was a c. >> commissioner dejesus: it was do downgraded to a b, and i guess there was a discussion at the group was who makes that determination? a strong-arm robbery, a hot proul, he they have brought that down to a b., but that's the same as vandenbealism. that's something the group was talking about, and your people are going to be looking into that, and i appreciate that. the other thing they were concerned about it is the department of emergency management has access to all officers who have language skills -- immediate -- they

don't who is on the field at what time, and the question was why couldn't they send a cantonese speaker who was on the field? maybe it's because he checked in later, we don't know, but it shows four hours after we get there, 30 minutes later, the c cantoness speaker arrived. those are issues -- those are pretty important issues that they brought up. so i guess we're still looking into that, and there are people who are there that are going to look into that. the other thing is -- and we may need your intervention. your -- lozar was there, and he's going to look into this. but apparently, we have to --

it may take one department head to another department head to talk about certifying the languages, the hindi and the arabic, to get those added as soon as possible. there's some kind of road block, so you may need intervention. you talked about rolling out the language app on the interpreter's phone, and phone conference with the sign language interpreter. those are the main things that we talked about. the last thing they mentioned there that i should mention here, i guess n.p.r. is doing some kind of study, san francisco, our technology is from 1980. we live in silicon valley, but we have technology from 1980.

it would be nice if people could put on a laptop, and the people in triage could see. in rolling out the language line -- line app, they have that, but i don't see that happening. okay. and i also attended the e.i.s. subcommittee this morning. yeah, i am busy. the university of chicago flaked on us. they gave us this preliminary report that is full of errors. there are some flags matching up to the use of force report that we got last week. there's also an anomaly in central station moved up from the fourth position to the second position with the highest flags, but last week, it was also the second with the

highest use of force. so i'm wondering, is that an anomaly or what is causing central to move up in that way? and there was some discussion about it. and e.i.s. is coming next week. i don't want to steal their thunder, but that's coming up. i want to know what the status of the body worn camera working group is because i guess i'm assigned to that, and i want to know when we're going to do that. last thing, i started working with rachel regarding -- >> clerk: the evaluation. >> commissioner dejesus: the evaluation of the chief of police standards, we'll have to talk about what we're looking for in public. we'll study something up and we'll agendaize is when we're

ready. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. commissioner brookter? >> commissioner brookter: thank you so much, petra. i wanted to be able to attend that that night, but i wasn't able to attend. so thank you. last week, i got the opportunity to attend the 49th annual youth community presentation. it was very well attended. great event hosted by a community group on us of chinatown. and then also got the opportunity on monday. there was a community meeting that was held at mission high school in regards to the memorandum of understanding or m.o.u. between sfusd and us here at sfpd. and it was very well attended again. we had folks from city departments. i think director davis was there. it was really great to see community members coming together to have a discussion

about what they wanted to see from our s.r.o.s in our public schools. i, too, want to ask when we get to agendaizing that we get a status update on the agenda and where it is. i know chief, just to make sure we push that through. i know the five-year m.o.u. that we had was from 2013, so i want to ensure we get that in place. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. commissioner hamasaki? >> commissioner hamasaki: thank you. president hirsch. so the one thing i wanted to report on was that following the youth commission's presentation here, i reached out to lisa thurow about some of the work that was mentioned by the youth commission by policing. i have been reading materials

and consulting with others, including the d.p.a. and i've thought -- i actually was kind of stole, apparently, commissioner dejesus' idea but what i would like to do is form a youth and policing working group, and this would involve, you know, consulting with the department and getting members of the working group and president hirsch and some of the best testimony berz of the community. so i -- the members of the community. this is something i'd like to get started -- get rolling this week. >> president hirsch: okay. yeah? >> commissioner dejesus: and also, they talked to me about that, too, and i know

commissioner hamasaki was going to bring that up. they want to see the department take the latiead in getting th setup. >> president hirsch: i just want to ask you, you just passed out -- >> commissioner dejesus: yeah. i'm going to put on this the agenda some other time. i just wanted to give you a copy to see what was coming. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. one thing is clear, this commission is active and working and it sounds like we're doing what we should be doing. next line item. [agenda item read] himp. >> president hirsch: commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: yeah. i would like to put this onto a

time where we can find a youth commission member to this body. the second thing is, the body camera working group, do we need to put it on the agenda -- >> president hirsch: i think we can do it away from this group. do we know who the individual at the department -- who is the executive sponsor? >> i'll have the assistant follow up. >> yeah. i'm part of that working group, and i think the p.o.a. was in negotiations. it would be good to get an update on the status and kind of figure out what we're doing. so maybe we can do that offline. >> president hirsch: i just need one clarification. is the u.c. asking that they have a member who sits as part of the police commission?

>> commissioner dejesus: i guess you weren't -- >> president hirsch: i was here, but i wasn't on. >> i'd been talking to julius. we do a lot of thirngs with th youth. especially in light of what happened at balboa high school, i asked the city attorney to help me with the resolution that me, i, that we request a designated youth representative who may be a member of the youth commission or nominated by the commissioner to participate in youth commission meetings and to participate, comment and make recommendations to the commission on all policies that affect the youth and that they do have a designated standing item on the agenda so they can comment on juvenile resolutions and policies. now they wouldn't sit in on closed session or participate or anything like that, but they

would be a member and participate with us. >> just as a core -- corollary, if we can set that up for all commissioners. >> president hirsch: okay. commissioner elias? >> commissioner elias: i'd like to know what steps the san francisco police department is taking in the 96-a report. i think this has to do with what commissioner dejesus commented on the specific districts. this report showed the use of force based on districts, and there was an increase in central by 55% since last year,

and northern has a 43% in use of force since last year. park has a 175% increase, but i think the number was so low to begin with, it jumped from 6 to 33. i know you weren't here, but a.c. signs did indicate to us in addition to the academic institution coming in and signalsing this data, the police department -- analyzing this data, the police department is analyzing this data, and i'd like an update on what solutions they're coming up with and how to address it. while we can wait for the academic analysis to come in, it's on us to also do our due diligence in terms of analyzing the solutions and the data and numbers that are in front of us. the whole purpose of the 96-a report is to entrust community trust and this is applied

evenly to all communities throughout the city. so that's what i'd like to agendaize for the next commission meeting. >> president hirsch: great. commissioner brookter? >> commissioner brookter: yes. i'd like to see maybe in the april 17 meeting that we get a presentation on the memorandum of understanding between the sfpd and the san francisco unified school district. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you all. ready for the next item. >> clerk: okay. i'd like to announce the next police commission meeting will be wednesday, march 20, here at city hall, room 400, at 5:30 p.m. the public is now invited to comment on-line items 1-a through 1-d. >> president hirsch: okay. we're asking for public comment on items 1-a through d. >> good evening, commissioners. brad williams, excelsior.

i very much appreciate commissioner dejesus bringing up miss appropriation of -- misappropriation of department assets. i think it's something we came up in war reports. controlled assets was controlled via chain of command and orders. maybe in our environment now that's not really the way to go if you consider, say, a large investment bank or a -- any for-profit entity. they have certain controls that are lacking, when it comes to these -- these assets, particularly such as a report or item that might be described as intellectual property.

i think there's been a lack of looking into this. particularly, honest how the auditors can base a strict liability based on the lack of internal controls and the per have the fact that there aren't adequate internal controls, i believe lends to that possibility and this is just one narrow area. if you think of instead of this body as, say, the s.e.c. were the regulator, it would be very different. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other public comment on items 1-a through d?

good evening. >> good evening, commissioners and chief scott. my name is tammy bryant. i'm a district five resident, and i just wanted to say i was at the roundtable, and it was really amazing, to see the collaboration and the youth just blew me away. what i really liked, it was so solution based. i like having a commissioner be a part of the youth commission. just like the san francisco unified school district board of education, they have student delegates. the woman's month video was beautiful, but it also made me think about that deputy last week on the news in alameda who was able to talk down the suspect with a knife, who was egging the officer on and who was looking like he could be a huge threat, but i really nend

what i saw her do which was basically talk her down. i have to say as women, we are going to sometimes use our smarts. i really liked that, and i hope that can be something more like a model. i did have an unfortunate incident about that a couple of weeks where the officers are knowledge idea about that. i just always want to remind you how up set i am over the racist text messages back from years ago. i don't know if they've ever been addressed, but i just cannot emphasize how unacceptable it was that officers would use that kind of language, that i don't use, don't think about. i don't think it should be used on the city equipment, but i

think it should involve termination because i don't think anybody is going to feel safe like i did with them on the department. i geuess we're talking about te late public defender jeff adachi would be released, and i'm glad it's being taken seriously by the commission. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other comment on items 1-a through d. >> yes. i just wanted to comment on the video you just showed, and heather fong. i remember i was here when she was -- yeah, she -- and she was really sensitive to my issues, also. and so i think that was that video, even looking at all the

women that are courageous, a lot of them are mothers, and i'm pretty sure a lot of them are mothers on that video and have children and can sympathize with how i feel. i don't know if any of them have lost loved ones in the line of duty or just medical issues. grief is grief, you know? so -- but that was a good video, and i also miss -- just get her name -- yeah, rachel, i forgot. i left that day, and i really miss not seeing her there, but i guess i will give this to you -- get used to you now. but yeah, the video was really great, so yeah, we do want to think about that even though that video and everything that the -- a lot of those officers and mothers are still looking -- are seeing trauma

every day through their work. and that they're also going through it, too, because you think about suicide. people that commit the most suicide are officers that have to see this every day, what they see, and ambulance drivers, and mothers like myself, who has to deal with their children being murdered. so i just want to say that it was a really good video. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other public comment on items 1-a through d? good evening. >> good evening -- good evening, everybody. my name is whitney holmes. i'm the new senior clark that joined d.p.a. i just wanted to express my joy for hearing how much participation that we're having in the youth in san francisco. i was previously a resident

myself and i have two small children, so this is a direct issue for me. i love the fact that we're hitting concrete issues such as the relationship that the public as far as our youth goes has with law enforcement, because i do see this is going to be a contingent issue for us moving forward, seeing a lot of us will be moving onto retirement or just kind of been in the game a long time, and we need to bring fresh people in. so this is a great way to reach out, and i just want to encourage everybody that's on the commission to please keep doing so. myself included, i'll do whatever it takes to ensure i'm an active participant in the movement we have going forward, and i just want to say thank you for having me here this evening. >> president hirsch: thank you. >> commissioner elias: thank you. >> president hirsch: okay. any other comment? no further comment, so public comment on eyesed 1 through a -- items 1 through -- 5

through d are closed. next item. [agenda item read]. >> president hirsch: we previously approved in january rules for administrative appeal, and that came out of a meet and confer process and a mediated arbitration with professor gould. and we setup a structure for appealing disciplinary matters which was and is intended to be just a short-term fix that was necessitated by the morgado decision. we've been working on -- commissioner elias and i have been working on this for quite sometime, since you started on the commission and myself even before that, introducing a charter amendment that history

would stay in the commission. it's been the opinion in this city for -- discipline would stay in the commission. we currently have a system that i don't think everybody is satisfied with, where a decision by seven members of this decision can be appealed to one administrative law judge which really in my opinion is an inverted appeal process. so we attempted to structure an appeal process that would stay -- keep the appeals within the commission. we worked with the chief and the chief staff. with the d.p.a. and d.p.a. staff, and with commissioners. and question looked at a variety of possible solutions, and this is what we have come up with. it is an appeal process that tracks somewhat what we're doing now in that a single

commissioner would conduct a hearing, and then, three commissioners, allowing that one commissioner would make a decision based upon that decision, and that hearing could then be appealed to three different commissioners who would sit as an appellate body on that disciplinary matter. there would be one commissioner left out of each case. that commissioner would be an alternate, if we needed a substitute or another one of the bodies. we've had cases where a commissioner needs to recuse him or herself, and so we've had a seventh commissioner. this is going to take some time. this probably can't get on a ballot until -- november is probably the earliest, but it needs to go through city hall, it needs a sponsor out of the board of supervisors. we then need to go into meet and confer with the d.p.a.

because this directly affects terms of employment. [please stand by]

>> i understand you have a one floating commissioner. i only count six. the way i'm reading it is you have one commissioner who can conduct settlements and conduct the hearing -- they may roll provided the taking of evidence, the commission that has presided over the evidence that two other commissioners shall conduct a hearing and go forward, and then you have three that they can appeal to. that is six. where is the seventh? >> the seventh is not participating unless we need the seventh to step into fill a gap because some to has to be

recused or is unavailable. in each case, only six of us participate and one sits out and that will be rotating around. here is one of my concerns, three of us are doing the hearing, and i don't know where we are. that is a lot of hearings for three commissioners to do, so i guess, i mean, will these three commissioners do all the hearings, or will we rotate six months, three will have a hearing, and the next six months it will be the appellant process otherwise, i don't know if people know this, but sometimes these go for full-day days, and sometimes they go full days a week. i'm just wondering if it is a big burden. >> it is not something i have decided, one possibility will be every case, there is an alphabetical listing.

he rotate for each case, three people who are picked as hearing officers for case a, no three different people are picked for case be. a different group for case see. you constantly are rotating through so that nobody is overwhelmed with hearings or appeals. >> and we did take statistics. i asked the sergeant when we were drafting this what the numbers where it with respect to how many discipline cases we received and there has been a substantial decline over the past several years in the number of discipline cases that we received. some of us have two, some of us have five, but there is no one here who has double digit discipline cases. so the trend has been a declining trend. >> i have been here a long time. [laughter]. >> we are doing hearings and hearings and there's no way to catch up. i know we are not there right now those are a lot of hearings

to put on. >> i have the idea of how it will work, because -- >> this is a process that we can build going forward to. this will take a year to implement even if we implement -- even if we pass it now. so that is for something for the commission. and the commission may not even be staffed the way it is now by the time this is implemented. we may have slightly different commissioners in place. >> i understand that, but wouldn't you want to know how it works? >> yes, but i thank you can be part of building that process. we haven't decided that. it is simply getting the structure in place because we did not feel there was a better way to do this. >> so if you have three and three, and one person is it necessary, you will have three panels, and the panels continually change.

>> yes, they will continually change. one person will set out for a year and then they will get the next case. >> 331 rotates with each case. >> let's say we get three discipline cases, on case one, it will be 33 and then once it's out, and then case to, the one that sets out subset in, and then another subs out, and then on case three, the same thing, it goes down the list. >> it took us a long time. we put a lot of thought and effort and we were guided with the city attorney with respect to this process. it is not easy. we were given a situation where we had to change our current structure because of the more -- to work out a decision. >> let me clarify, the single commissioner is still for the taking of the evidence, right? >> the single commissioner, as we do it now, would join to other commissioners to become part of the hearing group that does the initial taking.

>> icy. >> also, a lot of these cases settle, too. many of them do not go to hearings, so my experience is, more than half of my cases have been settling, which is a positive, and i think that maybe true for all of us. director henderson? >> i was going to say, this is a lot of work that went into drafting and getting us to this place. we went through a lot of different ideas in terms of what we -- what was going to work, what the parameters where, and i just wanted to thank everybody for their time, support, and encouragement forgetting to this resolution including the city attorney's office, because we spent a lot of time and work in drafting this. we are very supportive of this resolution, which is the resolution that we have been suggesting, something similar like this throughout the process

i just wanted to acknowledge that and to move forward on the resolution. >> thank you. >> just briefly, thank you. i think i appreciate the hard work. back around when i started on the commission that i met with d.p.a., i know this is -- this has been a big concern of theirs , and i think for the commission, for them to keep the discipline within the commission or some outside body, is really important to me. that's how we should maintain it i think everybody has done some great work here, and so even though i wasn't part of this, i think the final outcome is something that i support. >> thank you. vice president taylor?

>> just to hopefully respond to the commissioner's comments, the way i understand, these things generally work is that the labor -- determining the rotation of the order will be on commission staff for better or worse while it is confusing, that is part of what makes the commission his staff so wonderful it will be one where thing for them to worry about. >> and when you read this, it doesn't say how it will be determined, so that is why i'm asking the questions. i have another question if i can ask, so you have three commissioners doing the hearing, and then two out of the three appellant commissioners, two of those commissioners can reverse the three commissioners who did the hearing. >> that is true. that would be right. >> there's not a higher threshold? [laughter] [laughter]

>> this is real serious. it is real serious. >> you are right. >> those combos, i just think about the common -- -- the combos. >> that is why the rotation of who goes in what order will be determined first so it is a fair process so there is no monkeying around. >> exactly. >> it is very clear, transparent , and very fair. >> is randomized in a way. >> the fact of the matter is, there's not not a lot of -- for all the argument that happened in the public, we generally align on disciplinary decisions, we don't have a lot of -- the concept might be -- but, you know, we are generally in line on those. >> okay. any other comment? if not, i would ask for a motion

to approve this as our draft charter amendment. >> we'll take public comment in a second. >> before the vote. >> is there a second? >> second. >> we need public comment on this proposed charter amendment and the motion on the floor. >> good evening, commissioners, i am also here as a union member myself, and i want to say that i like the language, and i like this process, and i will be supporting it. if it is something on the ballot , i will have to campaign for it. thank you. >> any other comment? public comment -- i'm sorry. >> good evening, again.

i would like to support this motion. thanks. >> thank you. >> any other comment? okay, hearing none, public comment is closed. can we have a vote, please? there was a motion and second. all in favor signified by saying aye. >> aye. >> opposed? >> that passes unanimously. i think we thank you as do director henderson and the chief not cite them, please. >> general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear on the agenda tonight but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. speaker shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners for department or d.p.a. personnel. under police commission rules of order during public comment, neither police or d.p.a. personnel or commissioners can be written can respond to -- but

may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and d.p.a. personnel should refrain however from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. >> general public comment. >> good evening, again. >> good evening. brett edwards from excelsior. in the wake of the sheriff's department asking for some oversight from d.p.a. and interest and regulations from this body, i have some concerns about that. i see that this body is strained and perhaps doesn't have enough resources currently. i wonder if commissioners have -- >> second. [laughter]. >> any availability of saying staffing from week to week, it

seems like you do a lot of your own back office work. i don't know, i think it would serve all the citizens that are -- with some ability to have some staffing. >> thank you. >> if i could give a standing ovation right now. [laughter]. >> are you volunteering to work with us? >> any other public comment? >> good evening, again. i would like to use the overhead i'm sorry i always come and i talk about my son, but i haven't shown the other unsolved homicides that have been happening in the city of san francisco, and the majority, maybe a couple of these homicides on this poster are

only -- only two of them have been solved, but the rest of them are still unsolved, and i come here and i talk about unsolved homicides all the time and half of these people on here are members of the healing circle, and the mothers and fathers are still suffering. i bring this here, this is the healing circle that we have every second and fourth thursday of the month to talk about -- talk with parents and mothers and fathers who have lost their children to homicide. incarceration, domestic violence , child abuse, hate crimes, foster care, robbery, we talk about all of that because trauma is trauma. again, my son who was murdered

august 14th, 20 -- 2006. again, 30 rounds of bullets left that gun into my son, my 16 -year-old boy. it will be 13 years, if it is not 13 years already. you know as time passes, you forget. somebody was talking to the other day and telling me about my son and i've been so busy fighting for justice for him that i forgot how he used to act , and how he used to smile, and who he used to go to school with, and people will come up to me and say things and i say who are you? as time passes you forget and i don't want to forget, you guys. it still hurts. i am tired of crying, but i can't help it. this was my boy and i still cry

but i am a strong woman, though, but the tears still fall i bring my pictures all the time. he had a father. he had a mother and a father who raised him well. we have no qualms with being the parents that we were, we were good parents to our children this is what we are left with standing over our children's casket, i want people to remember and understand what i go through. i know you don't like looking at it, but this is what i have left i want justice for my son. >> again, the tip line is (415)575-4444.