>> these are all things that i've learned, so if you tell me to audit something, i would do an audit of what i interpret things, but there is a whole standard practice, and this is what we were alluding to when we talk about the yellow pages. >> yeah, the book standards. >> there's a way to do audits specifically that is very technical regardless of what the subject matter is, if it's budget, if it's whistle blowing, if it's police data, if it's use of force. and so i believe that's what voters were expecting, a full analysis of an audit, and so that's what we built, and we took those standards from the controller's office, those exacting standards, and are applying them to the use of force. so that's -- >> vice president swig: okay. and so the conclusions and the

recommendations out of th -- >> okay. and so the conclusions and the recommendations are going to come from d.p.a.? >> yes. >> commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: the audits you're using are the government audit and that's the government standard? >> correct. >> commissioner dejesus: and then, you said you were doing interviews -- have you started doing the interviews -- the methodology with the officers and stuff like that? >> yes. we've conducted a number of interviews with police stations as well as nonuniformed staff that are responsible for processing the data, as well as other necessary individuals. >> commissioner dejesus: so i'm just curious. is there a method to that madness? how do you select which officers is this random or they're selected to you or are they selected from the department for you? how do you work that out?

>> that depends. on the nature of the objective that they're trying to accomplish, when it comes to understanding the nature and methodology of what happens at the police station, those officers were randomly selected. >> commissioner dejesus: and then going back to commissioner rir hirsch, when you're going back to the finals -- i'm just wondering if you're working with any scientists or specialists to come to any conclusions or is it just going to be, like, raw numbers? >> it will not be raw numbers. all the findings that we come to will be provided with context as well as evidence, what led us to those conclusions. the findings might not be number based. they might be qualitative and recommendations, as well. >> commissioner brookter? >> commissioner brookter: just a couple questions. timeline, that's a very simple one.

>> our goal is spring 2019. >> commissioner brookter: 2019. and then what are the conversations that we stream line things to get it out in spring 2019? >> today. >> today is

report. this goes to commissioner dejesus's questions. can you talk about any examples that you're going to be doing with the department that's just not going to be raw numbers. can you give us an example of anything that you've done in the controller's office? >> yeah. i think the overall work of the controller's outdoorsity unit speaks of our ability to come into any situation, obtain an understanding of the operation and reach a conclusion hopefully that benefits the unit that we audit. the yellow book standards that i reached earlier indicate that we can't reach conclusions in a

vacuum. we work with subject matter experts as appropriate to make sure that we're not coming to any conclusions erroneously. and then lastly, there's an opportunity when the report is in draft form, you know, we'll close out with the police department. they'll have the opportunity to review the conclusions that we've reached, and if they think that we've reached anything or erred in our conclusion, they would bring it up and we'd review that evidence. >> commissioner brookter: no other examples. >> president hirsch: commissioner hamasaki. >> commissioner hamasaki: just a couple of questions. in section number two, is data complete and accurate. does reported data align with incident reports. and so the reported data that you're referring to there is the 96-a reports, or -- >> we've been looking at a variety of the publications that san francisco police

department has published, including the e.i.s. reports to determine is everything that's reported publicly cannot be reconciles to source documentation with the police department. >> commissioner hamasaki: okay. so from a variety of sources -- or -- >> if it helps, i am in the field doing this testing quite frequently. we're looking at two forms and the use of force log, and also early intervention system has a database where they collect that information, so we're reconciling all those different data points, in addition to any publications that they've released to see if the data collected. so for instance, let's say a particular person is estimated to be 5-11. we could see that maybe another collection of that data points, that person was 5 foot, so little data points like that

are all over the form. >> commissioner hamasaki: so -- following up on the bullet point, though, are you also -- because, you know, one of the big new things that we've discussed is the rollout of body worn cameras. obviously, anybody can write whatever in an incident report. are you also looking at body worn cameras to look at or review the incidents? >> yeah. great question. we are. >> commissioner hamasaki: okay. and then finally, i think you said you had pretty broad access to either officers reports, body worn camera -- are there any restrictions in place that are in any way impeding your ability to do your work? sounds like a yes. >> commissioner dejesus: let us have it. >> yeah. like i said hindsight being 20/20, i think we probably would have it more conversation about what exactly needs to be

redacted, what exactly -- some of the restrictions on us accessing or reviewing the incident reports are. some things, i think, are pretty obviously. for example, there's a small subset of our population that involves juvenile identifying information, so kind of working through some of those challenges, how much do we really need when reviewing these, what's kind of the minimum amount that we need moving forward? >> commissioner hamasaki: are you -- if -- do you feel that in the position you're in, with the work you've done so far, that the final reports -- are you going to be able to overcome the hurdles you've at least identified thus far? >> yeah. i don't see there being any scope limitation that would exceed us from weighing in on the objectives when it comes time to issuing the final

report. >> commissioner hamasaki: okay. thank you. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you both very much. oh -- >> i was just going to respond to commissioner brookter's question that the work that the department has done. they do have a good track history. >> can i just say, too, because i think that will help clarify. a lot of you were asking that because there were so many different data points, and the standardized operation in terms of how the reports get created, that has also been part of why these reports don't come quick, fast, and easy. it's a lot of stuff, including interviews, body worn cameras. all of this is sent out and analyzed. but i would point out, that's

one of the things that makes this stand out compared to all of the other reports brought to you, it's a big deal, and it's going to be relevant to i think a lot of the things that we've been discussing for a long period of time, so -- >> so you're still saying spring? >> he's still saying spring, and i'm supporting him and the work. we're saying spring. >> commissioner elias: is there anything we can do to ensure that we're on track for getting this report and that there aren't any road blocks that are going to come up to delay any further. >> i can't think of anything off the top of my head, but if something comes up, can i let the commission know? hirs >> president hirsch: okay. next item. [agenda item read].

>> president hirsch: i don't have a report. do any commissioners give a report to give? >> commissioner dejesus: i attended today a presentation by this new system -- i forgot what it was -- whatface he -- what it's called. benchmark. however, they are affiliated with the university of chicago. >> president hirsch: are they really? >> commissioner dejesus: two universities. chicago was one of them. and then, paul and i attended -- they were elected officials throughout the state, it was lgbt equal conference. we represented the -- it was an

all day event. >> sacramento. >> commissioner dejesus: it was all day event, and i was really glad to be there, and i was glad paul was there, as well. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. commissioner brookter? >> commissioner brookter: yeah, just really quick. had the opportunity to run into superintendent of san francisco schools, dr. matthews, and had a conversation with him about the topic with san francisco unified school district. got the opportunity to meet with director henderson and his chief of staff, sarah henderson, where we talked about the julius turman fellowship, which i'm extremely, extremely excited about. and i'm sure that director henderson will talk about that. i talked about all the great files that they had pulled apart in the office, and talked about 96-a, so i just wanted to report we are meeting at

schedul scheduled. >> president hirsch: okay. next item. [agenda item read]. >> president hirsch: any items? okay. seeing one, next item. >> i think we've spoken about this before, but i would like to agendaize -- i would like to get a deep dive into what the department's doing in terms of making sure that its members are accounted for with mental health support and issues. you know, from what i know, the suicide rate in america is, you know, really, really high, historically high, and it's a continuance problem for us as a nation and i know particularly in law enforcement, and so i would like to know what kind of support and services the

department is providing to its members in making sure that we really support the people who protect and serve us. and so i don't know a proper meeting to agendaize that for, but maybe -- >> president hirsch: we'll figure it out. we'll figure it out. >> commissioner elias: yeah. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. >> clerk: i'd also like to announce the next police commission meeting will be held wednesday, april 3, here at 5:30 p.m. the public is now invited to comment on-line items 1-a through 1-d. >> president hirsch: is there any public comment on the items we've addressed today so far? good evening. >> good evening. my name is john jones, and i want you all to know that i'm

deplorable. i understood chief scott in his report to basically say to cyclists, pedestrians, drivers, that everyone should make nice in terms of cutting down on the carnage in san francisco. from a law enforcement point of view, that's not very strong, and i don't think the commission should stand for it. i used to drive a cab sometime ago, and it was my observation that most people were temperamentally unfit to drive. what chief scott is struggling with is the fact that there are too many unfit drivers on the road, which is a licensing problem, not a police problem. i would suggest that this

commission get up on its hind legs and say that to the state of california, that it's putting too many of the wrong people on the road. we in san francisco suffer enormously because of the incompetence of people who get behind these machines and drive them recklessly and carelessly, most of them that cause injury that isn't compencible. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. any other comments on what we've discussed? >> my name is daniel paiz. i've been coming to these meetings since 1985. about 34, 35 years. first of all, i would like to say a few words will jeff ad -- about jeff adachi. >> president hirsch: i just want to stop you for a second.

we're not at general public comment. we're just asking for comment on the items that we've already discussed. >> i didn't realize this was a public based on that, either. >> president hirsch: we'll invite you back up. any other comment on items already discussed? hearing none, next item. >> clerk: line item 2, discussion to issuance of butt tin, sfpd members expectation of privacy, use of equipment and peripheral facilities, modifying department general order 10.08 use of computers and peripheral equipment. this bulletin is a reissue of bulletin 10-032 which expired on february 2, 2019. discussion and possible action. >> president hirsch: good evening, commander. >> good evening, president hirsch, commissioners, director henderson and chief scott.

commander peter walsh from the staff's office. so before you, it's listed at department bull 19.051. this bulletin was in place back in 2017, and it governs that we can go into the cell phones, department cell phones, computer systems, etc., that the officers and other members -- civilian members do not have a right to privacy in those items. that helps us in our bias audit. since this really moves into 10.08, the current general order, which does not necessarily state that, we are working on 10.08. i believe it's at d.h.r., so they're going to make a decision whether it goes to meet and confer. so this is a patch request to carry us over from our expiration of our last department bulletin which was good for only two years, keeping us through the adoption

of the d.g.o., in order to continue our bias audit letting our members know that they do not have a right to privacy. this is just to put the underlying language, the no expectation of privacy which touches on the current 10.08 so we can continue to monitor our communication devices. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. vice president taylor? >> vice president taylor: is there any difference between what you've given us today and the last bulletin that it would replace, the one that's expiring? >> there's no -- i think it just delineates a little bit more on what we're looking at, but the overall context is the same. >> i move to adopt. >> commissioner dejesus: i have a commissi

a question. hirs >> president hirsch: commissioner dejesus? >> commissioner dejesus: this is to go with the other bulletin? >> they haven't decided, does it meet and confer or come state back for adoption. whether it goes to meet and confer or comes back for us to do this. we have a timeline where the department bulletin will not be in effect to the time you adopt a new 10.08. >> commissioner dejesus: but don't we have a city policy in place that you can't use city equipment for personal use? if this is all city department stuff, this is the computers, city issued electronic devices, smart phones, all this is controlled by the city, so i'm just a little confused why it's subject to meet and confer. it's been a policy throughout all the policies, i think. i could be wrong. >> i'm not saying there's going to be a meet and confer. i'm saying that d.h.r. will go through that. it could come straight back to

you. this is the stopgap measure to make sure -- >> president hirsch: all the updated general orders are going to the city attorney and d.h.r. as to whether there's any responsibility. >> commissioner dejesus: if it's part of the meet and confer, we'll get a notification of that? >> yes, we'll be notified. >> president hirsch: there was a motion to approve. is there a second? >> second. >> second. >> president hirsch: on the question, we need public comment, is that right, on this motion? okay. is there any public comment on the motion to approve this department bulletin? seeing none, public comment is closed. we'll -- we're ready for a vote. all in favor? any opposed? okay. it carries unanimously. >> thank you. >> president hirsch: next line item. >> clerk: line item three, general public comment. the public is now welcome to address the commission regarding items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but are within the subject matter

jurisdiction of the commission. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or d.p.a. personnel. under police commission rules of order, during public comment, neither police nor d.p.a. personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and police and d.p.a. personnel should refrain from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during public comment. >> president hirsch: the floor is yours, sir. >> okay. thank you. excuse me again for my mistake. my name is daniel paiz. i've been coming here since '85, so about 34, 35 years. i wanted to say something about jeff adachi, who as the head of the public defender's office, he was a tireless and fierce defender of the rights of the accused and to ensure that they have a fair trial. checks and balances, that is

what it's all about. but obviously people like gary delanis don't understand the concept. these people see people like the public defender as the enemy. they see criticism as the press to be feared. when he gained his job, he confiscated copies of the press because it ran articles of chief dick conquisto in the police department. deget did he get fired? no, he kept his job and eventually became head of the police officer's association for many years. gary delanis was a dirty cop. now he's a retired dirty cop. he may be alive on the outside,

but on the inside, he is diseased with his putrid hate. i wonder what people will say about him after he's dead. >> president hirsch: okay. thank you. any other public comment? >> my name is john jones, and may my comments please the commission, there's a message that you get on the municipal railway. it reads as follows: get where you're going safely. keep your eyes up and your hands down while riding on muni. now, i don't have a car. i get around on muni, and a

bicycle. but this is san francisco, the queen city of the west. people would die to live here. why is it that we have this kind of message on the muni? i know my answer. my question is rhetorical. but the people who ride the muni are by and large the most vulnerable among us. i call this to the attention of the commission. i have no magic bullet recommendation, but the muni is incredibly important. i take it all the time, and when i heard that message, is tells me i got to look at the person next to me and the person across the aisle, maybe the person at the back of the bus, and i've got to make nasty faces at them so they don't mug me. but the truth of the matter is

that it's unfortunate that this message -- we have to hear this ma message on the municipal railway. thank you. >> president hirsch: thank you. is there any other public comment? public comment is closed. next item. >> clerk: line item four, public comment on all matters pertaining to item six below, closed session, including public comment on item five, vote whether to hold item six in closed session. >> so moved hirs. >> president hirsch: well, we need public comment. >> i was like, did you have some public comment? >> president hirsch: any public comment on our going into closed session? all right. seeing none, public comment is closed. now we're ready for the motion. >> so moved. >> commissioner hamasaki: get it done during spring. >> president hirsch: all in favor? any opposed? all right. the motion carries. we're going into closed session. >> clerk: actually, we have line item five which leads you into your motion. >> president hirsch: oh, what

is that? [inaudible] >> clerk: line item five, vote on whether to hold item six in closed session, including whether to hold in regards the attorney-client privilege, section 67.10, action. >> president hirsch: yeah. i think we did that. >> i did not hear the attorney-client privilege invoked and that's the most important piece. >> president hirsch: okay. can we go into closed session with the attorney-client privilege? >> no, no, you have to do it. >> i'll second it. >> president hirsch: we don't need public comment on this again, do . >> clerk: all right. commissioner hirsch, we are back on the record for open session, and you still have a quorum.

>> president hirsch: okay. we are looking for a motion -- let's see, vote to elect to disclose. >> clerk: line item seven, vote to whether or not to disclose all items discussed in closed session, action. >> i move to not disclose. >> president hirsch: is there a second? >> second. hirs >> president hirsch: all in favor? opposed? carries unanimously. >> clerk: and line item eight, action item. >> president hirsch: all in favor? all opposed? we're done.

as a society we've basically failed big portion of our population if you think about the basics of food, shelter safety a lot of people don't have any of those i'm mr. cookie can't speak for all the things but i know say, i

have ideas how we can address the food issue. >> open the door and walk through that don't just stand looking out. >> as they grew up in in a how would that had access to good food and our parent cooked this is how you feed yours this is not happening in our country this is a huge pleasure i'm david one of the co-founder so about four year ago we worked with the serviced and got to know the kid one of the things we figured out was that they didn't know how to cook. >> i heard about the cooking school through the larkin academy a. >> their noting no way to feed themselves so they're eating a lot of fast food and i usually

eat whatever safeway is near my home a lot of hot food i was excited that i was eating lunch enough instead of what and eat. >> as i was inviting them over teaching them basic ways to fix good food they were so existed. >> particle learning the skills and the food they were really go it it turned into the is charity foundation i ran into my friend we were talking about this this do you want to run this charity foundations and she said, yes. >> i'm a co-found and executive director for the cooking project our best classes participation for 10 students are monday

they're really fun their chief driven classes we have a different guest around the city they're our stand alone cola's we had a series or series still city of attorney's office style of classes our final are night life diners. >> santa barbara shall comes in and helps us show us things and this is one the owners they help us to socialize and i've been here about a year. >> we want to be sure to serve as many as we can. >> the san francisco cooking school is an amazing amazing partner. >> it is doing that in that space really elevates the space for the kids special for the chief that make it easy for them to come and it really makes the

experience pretty special. >> i'm sutro sue set i'm a chief 2, 3, 4 san francisco. >> that's what those classes afford me the opportunity it breakdown the barriers and is this is not scary this is our choice about you many times this is a feel good what it is that you give them is an opportunity you have to make it seem like it's there for them for the taking show them it is their and they can do that. >> hi, i'm antonio the chief in san francisco. >> the majority of kids at that age in order to get them into food they need to see something simple and the evidence will show and easy to produce i want to make sure that people can do it with a bowl and spoon and

burner and one pan. >> i like is the receipts that are simple and not feel like it's a burden to make foods the cohesives show something eased. >> i go for vera toilet so someone can't do it or its way out of their range we only use 6 ingredients i can afford 6 ingredient what good is showing you them something they can't use but the sovereignties what are you going to do more me you're not successful. >> we made a vegetable stir-fry indicators he'd ginger and onion that is really affordable how to

balance it was easy to make the food we present i loved it if i having had access to a kitchen i'd cook more. >> some of us have never had a kitchen not taught how to cookie wasn't taught how to cook. >> i have a great appreciation for programs that teach kids food and cooking it is one of the healthiest positive things you can communicate to people that are very young. >> the more programs like the cooking project in general that can have a positive impact how our kids eat is really, really important i believe that everybody should venting to utilize the kitchen and meet other kids their age to identify they're not alone and

their ways in which to pick yours up and move forward that. >> it is really important to me the opportunity exists and so i do everything in my power to keep it that. >> we'll have our new headquarters in the heart of the tenderloin at taylor and kushlg at the end of this summer 2014 we're really excited. >> a lot of the of the conditions in san francisco they have in the rest of the country so our goal to 257bd or expand out of the san francisco in los angeles and then after that who know. >> we'd never want to tell people want to do or eat only provide the skills and the tools in case that's something people are 2rrd in doing. >> you can't buy a box of

psyche you have to put them in the right vein and direction with the right kids with a right place address time those kids don't have this you have to instill they can do it they're good enough now to finding out figure out and find the future for >> wow, are the beetles here or are we just reoping the playground? i'm not sure which. thanks to the 2008 parks funds, where you're standing is the

home and all of you san francisco voters gave a $20 million investment in this neighborhood. i was born and raised four blocks from where we stand today. i came and played in this park, on the equipment, in the you know what i mean you know jim gym and structure today. >> to make this a park that everybody can enjoy, a diversity that would show the city that this is what san francisco is all about. >> what we got here is 3,000 new square feet of places for people to be healthy and be active and the community to gather. >> if you see /kaelly's mural in the building, there cannot be an imagery that's more related to this place.

what people told us about what the importance of the windmills and the green houses and the flowers that used to be grown here and the wind, let's not forget the wind. >> we have to continue to invest in our city's infrastructure and creating new. this is a recreation center for the 21st century and for the 21st century communities. >> we finally made something after somebody that everybody needs and this is the park.

my name is doctor ellen moffett, i am an assistant medical examiner for the city and county of san francisco. i perform autopsy, review medical records and write reports. also integrate other sorts of testing data to determine cause and manner of death. i have been here at this facility since i moved here in november, and previous to that at the old facility. i was worried when we moved here that because this building is so much larger that i wouldn't see people every day.

i would miss my personal interactions with the other employees, but that hasn't been the case. this building is very nice. we have lovely autopsy tables and i do get to go upstairs and down stairs several times a day to see everyone else i work with. we have a bond like any other group of employees that work for a specific agency in san francisco. we work closely on each case to determine the best cause of death, and we also interact with family members of the diseased. that brings us closer together also. >> i am an investigator two at the office of the chief until examiner in san francisco. as an investigator here i investigate all manners of death that come through our jurisdiction. i go to the field interview police officers, detectives, family members, physicians, anyone who might be involved with the death.

additionally i take any property with the deceased individual and take care and custody of that. i maintain the chain and custody for court purposes if that becomes an issue later and notify next of kin and make any additional follow up phone callsness with that particular death. i am dealing with people at the worst possible time in their lives delivering the worst news they could get. i work with the family to help them through the grieving process. >> i am ricky moore, a clerk at the san francisco medical examiner's office. i assist the pathology and toxicology and investigative team around work close with the families, loved ones and funeral establishment. >> i started at the old facility. the building was old, vintage. we had issues with plumbing and

things like that. i had a tiny desk. i feet very happy to be here in the new digs where i actually have room to do my work. >> i am sue pairing, the toxicologist supervisor. we test for alcohol, drugs and poisons and biological substances. i oversee all of the lab operations. the forensic operation here we perform the toxicology testing for the human performance and the case in the city of san francisco. we collect evidence at the scene. a woman was killed after a robbery homicide, and the dna collected from the zip ties she was bound with ended up being a cold hit to the suspect. that was the only investigative link collecting the scene to the suspect. it is nice to get the feedback. we do a lot of work and you

don't hear the result. once in a while you heard it had an impact on somebody. you can bring justice to what happened. we are able to take what we due to the next level. many of our counterparts in other states, cities or countries don't have the resources and don't have the beautiful building and the equipmentness to really advance what we are doing. >> sometimes we go to court. whoever is on call may be called out of the office to go to various portions of the city to investigate suspicious deaths. we do whatever we can to get our job done. >> when we think that a case has a natural cause of death and it turns out to be another natural cause of death. unexpected findings are fun.

>> i have a prior background in law enforcement. i was a police officer for 8 years. i handled homicides and suicides. i had been around death investigation type scenes. as a police officer we only handled minimal components then it was turned over to the coroner or the detective division. i am intrigued with those types of calls. i wondered why someone died. i have an extremely supportive family. older children say, mom, how was your day. i can give minor details and i have an amazing spouse always willing to listen to any and all details of my day. without that it would be really hard to deal with the negative components of this job. >> being i am a native of san francisco and grew up in the community.

i come across that a lot where i may know a loved one coming from the back way or a loved one seeking answers for their deceased. there are a lot of cases where i may feel affected by it. if from is a child involved or things like that. i try to not bring it home and not let it affect me. when i tell people i work at the medical examiners office. whawhat do you do? the autopsy? i deal with the a with the enou- with the administrative and the families. >> most of the time work here is very enjoyable. >> after i started working with dead people, i had just gotten married and one night i woke up in a cold sweat. i thought there was somebody dead? my bed. i rolled over and poked the

body. sure enough, it was my husband who grumbled and went back to sleep. this job does have lingering effects. in terms of why did you want to go into this? i loved science growing up but i didn't want to be a doctor and didn't want to be a pharmacist. the more i learned about forensics how interested i was of the perfect combination between applied science and criminal justice. if you are interested in finding out the facts and truth seeking to find out what happened, anybody interested in that has a place in this field. >> being a woman we just need to go for it and don't let anyone fail you, you can't be. >> with regard to this position in comparison to crime dramas out there, i would say there might be some minor

correlations. let's face it, we aren't hollywood, we are real world. yes we collect evidence. we want to preserve that. we are not scanning fingerprints in the field like a hollywood television show. >> families say thank you for what you do, for me that is extremely fulfilling. somebody has to do my job. if i can make a situation that is really negative for someone more positive, then i feel like i am doing the right thing for the city of san francisco.

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drive right up to the vehicle and in and out of their car and into the victim's vehicle, i would say from 10-15 seconds is all it takes to break into a car and they're gone. yeah, we get a lot of break-ins in the area. we try to -- >> i just want to say goodbye. thank you. >> sometimes that's all it takes. >> i never leave anything in my car. >> we let them know there's been a lot of vehicle break-ins in this area specifically, they target this area, rental cars or vehicles with visible items. >> this is just warning about vehicle break-ins. take a look at it. >> if we can get them to take it with them, take it out of the cars, it helps.

>> clerk: good morning, everyone. this is march 20th, the regular meeting of the budget and finance committee. i am sandra lee fewer, and i'm joined by catherine stefanie and our clerk is miss wong. and i would like to thank sfgov-tv for broadcasting this. madam clerk do you have announcements? >> clerk: silence all cellphones and electronic devices and documents to be included to the file should be submitted to the clerk and items will appear on the march 26th agenda unless ohe