advocate for a lot of things. thank you for your time. >> thank you so much hi, good morning. >> good morning, commissioners. my name is linda and i am no stranger to this community. i am a foster parent of 30 years that deals with children with autism and disability, mental disability, i am here because not only because of my background, 42 years in the community activism, but i have a daughter and her husband to served in the navy for 17 great years that my daughter has been separated from our family and her children. i basically raised the grandchild because of the mental torture that a child goes through. i am coming here as a parent, and as an advocate for hanley

chan. i know him personally, i know what he is capable of. my family has a strong history in law enforcement, in military background. my relatives served our community and our nation as well on all levels. i know what mr. chan's background is all about. i know his capabilities, and i know what he can do all around in community services, activism, and his leadership, and i didn't hear it being mentioned today about how the children of military parents are effected, and i am on the level of all veterans, but overall, on a lower spectrum, i know mr. handley would be the person that could cover all the bases for the needs of all of our veterans, all of our families and their needs, and i want to thank you today for hearing me

out. i had to come as a mother of a daughter of 17 years, she and her husband in the navy, the difficulties that they are going through with their family, mental disability, placement of schools, relocating from place to place. please give him that opportunity to be that advocate. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. next speaker. >> hello, my name is raymond, i am here to say that i wholeheartedly support hanley chan for the veterans affair commission. that is it. >> thank you. [laughter] is there any other member of the public who would like to speak? seeing none, public comment is closed. okay, you have given us an impossible task this morning. first of all, i just wanted to thank you all so much first for

your service to the country, it is complicated because i am a person who does not like to cs go to war ever, and i am a peace activist, and it pains me to see sometimes the reasons that our federal government sends us to war, and then i am deeply, deeply concerned with how this country often treats veterans when they come back from war. i don't think we do nearly enough at any level of government for our veterans after being recruited heavily into the armed services, and then putting your lives at risk and separating yourselves from your families and your

communities and your children to then come back and not be welcomed and given any and all support that you so much deserve , is something that pains me, and to hear you all speak, and your brilliant ideas and your willingness to serve yet again your local government and community by applying to be on this position, and use your knowledge and your passion for the veteran community to make sure that everyone is okay, and that nobody is left behind is really absolutely inspiring. i just want to thank you all so very much for everything that you have done, for your country, and now for san francisco by willing to serve on this commission. i would appoint every single one of you who spoke today. i wish we had enough seats

because, the talent in this group is extraordinary, and it is not something that we always see when we have applicants for commissions, that we have a list of people that literally i could appoint at every single one of you, but -- i want to turn it over to my colleagues, but i would just say that i would personally love to see the reappointment of our two incumbent commissioners, "i think who have been doing an excellent job and having that continuity on the commission i think is really important, so that is the one thing i will put out there before i turned it over to my colleagues as we are faced with this incredibly difficult decision before us. supervisor walton? >> thank you. i just wants to, of course, accident -- extent may thank you to all the veterans here today, and also say it is good to see

so many people interested in serving and supporting and helping our veterans, if this is not an easy decision to make, but i did want to thank everyone for coming out today. >> supervisor mark? >> thank you. i just wanted to echo my colleagues' sentiments in sincere thank you to all the applicants and the veterans here today in all of your service to our country and your willingness to serve our city and the va commission. as somebody who is family a lot of veterans, and many of my close friends are veterans, the issues that you all spoke spoke to today very close to me personally, and they're also so important to the city, like supervisor walton, i'm about three months into this new role on the board of supervisors, and

we have been dealing with a lot of big issues here in the city, from the housing affordability crisis, homelessness, public safety, and our justice system, and i think the issues, and especially the veterans community, your issues aren't -- haven't really been identified and prioritized at the level that they really should be in our city, and all of your issues are very connected to the other big issues that we are dealing with, as you spoke to so eloquently today, so again, thank you so much, and this is very much a learning opportunity for me, just to starts getting more of a deeper understanding of the issues for the veterans community, and i look forward to following up with all of you on working on these important issues. thank you. >> thank you.

can i suggest we do the easy part and if i can make a motion to reappoint victor to seat one and david chastain to seat four, if we can take that without objection, without objection, that passes, and then it looks like supervisor walton might have a suggestion. >> i do want to make a motion and i want everyone to understand that a big part of this motion also is a relationship to diversity and making sure that we do have a diverse commission as we move forward. with that said, i would like to recommend positively george for seat eight, agreement for seat

11, and please forgive me if i'm mispronouncing your name, stephen pinto for seat seven, and hanley chan for seat nine. >> i am looking at supervisor mar, do you have any thoughts? >> i think those are very good recommendations, supervisor walton just put forward. i guess, again, reflecting the difficulty with having so many great and really qualified applicants, i had a little bit of different notes. i felt like christopher mcdonald's really would bring important life experience around

housing that i think are very important, and then even though he wasn't here to speak for himself, doug bullard, the applicant. i think he also brings a tremendous amount of experience here in san francisco, and also his leadership with the jrotc program within our schools, being such a leader on that important program. >> okay. [laughter] >> i was also blown away by mr. tucker. this is an impossible situation. so i'm trying to figure out how to move forward. it sounds like we have at least two commissioners who are supportive of sorry, so in

addition to christopher mcdonald's and doug bullard, who are the other two commissioners? >> i had stephen martin pinto and hanley chan bring a wealth of experience. let's do this. it sounds like we have agreement to move forward with positive recommendation stephen martin pinto to seat seven and hanley chan to seat 11. am i getting this right? >> nine. nine is what i recommended. >> okay. >> but if it is 11 -- >> let's do that, seat nine. there is a motion to move forward with positive

recommendation stephen martin pinto to seat seven and hanley chan to seat nine, and we will take that without objection. that motion passes, so now we have two more seats to a point, and that is seat 11 and to seat eight, is that correct? sorry, if -- let me walk through that, supervisor mar is supporting mr. mcdonald and bullard, mr. mcdonald for seat 11, mr. bullard for seat eight, and supervisor walton is super -- is reporting -- supporting, can you remind me? >> i had mr. aubert. >> and for seat eight? >> okay.

what i would like to do then is make a motion to move forward christopher mcdonald to seat 11 and george chan -- george chung to seat eight. >> i'm okay with that. >> are you okay with that? okay. then that motion passes without objection. again, this was one of the harder ones that we have faced up here, so i know that there is going to be many more opportunities for you all to serve on this commission. i would really encourage -- the mayor has more appointments, and if you reach out to me, that i can put you in contact with the

mayor's appointment advisor who i know is wonderful, and i know who would love to meet you because this was impossible. as i today, so i would ask you not -- to keep engaging, because we need your brilliance in this county, and then i also want to end by saying that i really look forward to working with you all much more closely. please feel free, any time to reach out to my office. i want to be supportive of your work and really help move forward your agenda. so thank you so much for everything. >> i would just like to repeat to make sure i have them all. >> sure. >> i have mr. hanley chan to seat nine, david chastain to seat four, george chung to seat eight, stephen martin pinto to

seat seven, christopher mcdonald to seat 11 and victor olivier to seat one. >> yes, that is correct. thank you so much. thank you, everyone for your time and your service. mr. clark, can you please read item number 3? >> item number 3 is a motion appointing a member of the board of supervisors for an indefinite term to the association of bay area governments metropolitan transportation commission legislation of -- legislative task force. >> thank you. because i have applied for this position, i'm wondering if someone can make a motion to excuse me. >> so moved. >> second. >> i believe that motion to excuse supervisor roundness pass without objection. >> without objection. mr. clark, thank you. supervisor mar, do you have any

comments on this item? >> no. >> no. no comments from my colleagues. any members of the public would like to comment on this item? public comment is closed. no public speakers. with that said, supervisor mar,. >> would you like to make a motion to amend the motion to insert supervisor ronen's name as the appointee? >> yeah, i move that we amend the motion and insert supervisor ronen's name as the appointee. >> agree and move forward. >> i also would make a motion that we move supervisor ronen's appointment to the association of bay area government and metropolitan transportation commission, legislative task force with positive

recommendation from the full board. >> that motion passes without objection. >> thank you, with that said, anymore business before us? >> would you like to bring the chair back in? [laughter] >> that completes the agenda for today. >> meeting is adjourned. >> perfect..

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>> clerk: good morning, everyone. this is march 20th, the regular meeting of the budget and finance committee. i am sandra lee fewer, and i'm joined by catherine stefanie and our clerk is miss wong. and i would like to thank sfgov-tv for broadcasting this. madam clerk do you have announcements? >> clerk: silence all cellphones and electronic devices and documents to be included to the file should be submitted to the clerk and items will appear on the march 26th agenda unless otherwise stated. >> president fewer: can you call item one. >> clerk: resolution allowing the sheriff's department to

enter an existing contract with community alternatives to administer the home detention and electronic monitoring program, extended the term by three months and increasing by $465,000 for an amount to not exceed $2.4 million. >> president fewer: we have the sheriff's department here. >> yes, ma'am. i'm a c.f.o. for the sheriff's department and i'm here today to request authorization for three-month extension to the sheriff department's contract for electronic monitoring that we do today with leaders in community alternatives and this request also includes a request to increase the not to exceed amount from $2 million to about $2.5 million. and low program history, this was -- this program was initially established to provide an alternative to incarceration wherein participants are approved by the court.

initially this program had a fee structure for sentence participants based on the ability to pay and then about a year ago there were a number of decisions that significantly increased the participation in this program that notably what we refer to as the humphries decision wherein an appellate court ruled that the court his to consider both ability to pay and nonmonetary alternatives to incarceration when setting bail or release conditions. and then at the same time sheriffhenessey waived all fees for participants. and following both of these occurrences, the number of program participants increased significantly from about 100 a month to today to about 300 a month. so if we -- actually i have a graphic that shows this. if we could have the slide.

okay, so you can see that we were running along fairly consistently about a hundred participants and now at 300 participants. so this has what has caused the need to increase the not to exceed amount and the reason for the extension is that we have bid this contract out and we have put out a competitive bid and the time that it has taken to move from current krrtor to our new contractor is longer than what we had expected so we're asking for this three-month extension. >> president fewer: colleagues, any questions or comments? i have a few. one, i wanted to ask are you sure that three months is enough time to complete this competitive bid process? >> yes, yes, i'm confident. we're past the hurdles, the big hurdles now. >> president fewer: okay. and you can ensure that this will be the final amendment?

>> yes. >> president fewer: okay. so i guess that the next question is -- so why all of the amendments for extensions? >> so initially this was a three-year contract with option 2, one-year options to extend the contract. and we exercised both of those options and after the five-year president or anticipating the end of the five-year period we put it out for competitive bid. we awarded it to a competitor of the current contractor. in our process to -- to make sure that the -- that the process was fair there were a lot of questions that we had to answer. we worked with the city's attorney general office, with o.c.a. and we believe that we have answered all of the questions now and so now we're

simply setting up to make sure that this new contractor can take over the contract. >> president fewer: okay. so quite recently we have heard contract renewals and extensions at this board. and sometimes we hear to have an extension is sometimes fiscally positive for the city and county of san francisco. is that true of these extensions that you've asked for in the past? >> i would say that they are fiscally neutral? i mean, i think that the -- this is fiscally positive inasmuch as it is much cheaper to have people out of custody than it is to have them in custody. the cost to have someone out of custody on this program is roughly $12 a day and the amount that we report to the state -- there's a formula for what costs we have to include to determine what it costs to have someone in

custody, that's about $250 a day. so it's significantly -- >> president fewer: so i think that the program itself -- but i think what i'm asking is the terms of the contract. >> the terms of the new contract are less than the terms of this contract. so i -- >> president fewer: got it. can i ask you then, we're serving 300 people, do you have any racial data on who these participants are? >> today, i do not, but i have my staff now working on a comparison of demographic information of who is held out of custody versus who is held in custody. >> president fewer: okay, that would be great. i would like, since you're gathering that information, i would like to know of the hundred original participants, what is the racial data on that. and then the 300, the racial data on that also. i think that it is really important that when we talk

about our city funds that there is also a lens of equity here in this contract, you know, almost $2.5 million, and a program which is supposed to bring -- i think a little bit of equity also to our incarceration program that i actually think that it is really appropriate to have racial demographic information when we have contracts like this because it allows us then to keep track of ourselves, even at the budget committee, of how well we're working as a city toward racial equity. but thank you for answering those questions. >> i would actually just like to add that the people who come into this program are not chosen by the sheriff's department, they are -- it's determined by the courts. so we receive into this program whoever the courts send to us. >> president fewer: thank you very much. let's pivot to the b.l.a.

>> good morning, chair fewer and members of the committee, from the budget analyst office. and i'm going to basically follow-up on what mr. hollings said. the board is asked to approve a three-month extension to the existing contract between the sheriff's department, the leaders in community, and alternative for electronic monitoring and approve the increase of $465,000 in that contract amount. my understanding is that those funds are available in the sheriff's department budget for this coming year. there will be a new contract -- our understanding -- as of august 1st. with a new vendor. and we recommend approval. >> president fewer: thank you very much. let's open this up for public comment. are there any members of the public that would -- yes, please come up and you have tw two minutes. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is anne marie mafit and i'm an attorney and a public advocate and a resident of the

city. i have sent a couple emails to you over the past two weeks and i'm going to just reiterate what i have mentioned in the emails. with all due respect i feel that the analyst report contains several errors. the l.c.a. original contract was never approved by the board of supervisors. it was scheduled for approval in april 2014. on april 16th, the day that the budget and the finance sub-committee, and without explanation announced that the board would not approve the contract. instead, the entire title and text of the legislation was changed and the supervisors instead approved simply evidence of the contractor's liability coverage for the upcoming year and purported to have the rules and regulations of the program. in 2017, and 2018, the board did approve the two, one-year extensions to this contract. but the original contract was never approved. the language in file number

190203 is misleading and incorrect. the reference to the rules and regulations of the sheriff's electronic monitoring program and appendix a of the contract is simply not correct. appendix a is a description of the contractor's services under the contract. the rules and regulations that govern the program and dictate the movement of thousands -- of individuals who are shackled with these monitors is in a separate document which i have provided to the clerk today. copies for all of you. as well as invoices which you can use to match up to the figure that the budget and analyst gave for the total amount paid out so far which i respectfully say is also incorrect. according to my estimate, closer to approximately $3 million is paid -- has been paid out under this contract so far. thank you. >> president fewer: thank you very much. any more public comment? seeing none, public comment is now closed.

colleagues, any questions or comments? i'd like to ask the budget legislative analyst in relation to the comment that we just heard what is the original contract approved by the board of supervisors? >> that was our understanding. i have to go back and research. but what i would say is that this contract is not coming under the charter provision requiring the board of supervisors approval of $10 million or 10 years. what it is being approved is if you will notice in our mandate statement is actually the state requirement that the board of supervisors approve the rules and regulations of the program. and so that's why we believe that it's before the board today. but i would have to go back and research what happened in 2014. >> president fewer: okay, thank you very much. anyone want to make a motion on this? >> yes. >> i'll move that we forward to the full board with a positive recommendation.

>> president fewer: we can take that without objection. thank you very much. madam clerk. call item 2. cloik ordinance amending the business and tax regulations code to add provisions to administer the homelessness gross receipts tax. >> president fewer: yes. i believe that we have amanda fried here. okay. from the treasurer office. >> good morning, chair fewer and supervisors. this ordinance defines the administration the homelessness gross receipts tax passed in november. last year the voters passed three taxzs, two effective january 1, 2019. one of the reasons that we were able to begin the collections nearly immediately is that we worked hard to fold the new taxes into our current administrative procedures to streamline our work and to ease the transition for taxpayers. thus, the ordinance in front of you today ties the homelessness gross receipts tax to our

existing provisions, the same for payroll expense, administrative office and commercial rent taxes. given the number of taxes we know that are in front of this group as the annual business tax filing group. thank you for your consideration and i'm here for any questions. >> president fewer: colleagues, any questions or comments? seeing none. there is not a b.l.a. report on this. let's open this up for public it comment. any members of the public that would like to comment on item number 2? please come up, you have two minutes. seeing none, public comment is now closed. colleagues, i would like to continue this to the meeting of april 3rd at the request of the sponsor. so i can take that without

objection. thank you very much. madam clerk, call item 3. >> clerk: item number 3 is a resolution to retroactively authorizing the recreation and park department to accept the expend a grant for trust for public land in the amount of up to $520,50 for a feasibility study and concept design for improvement bees to the eugene l. friend recreation center, from the project term of october 2, 2018 through march 31, 2019. >> good morning, supervisors. so i'm here to request your approval of an expend resolution for an in-kind grant of a feasability study and concept design for renovations to the jean friend recreation center. it's through a partnership with the friend family foundation and after acceptance of this grant by the board of supervisors we plan to bring the concept design to the recreation park commission for approval this

spring. and then the department will begin the schematic design and the development phase of the project with the hopes of bidding out construction in 2020 and breaking ground in 2021. pending confirmation of construction funding sources. for a little bit of additional background on the grant, the jean friend is in the soma neighborhood. the one-acre site has a recreation center with a full indoor gym and activity room and much more and is a recreational hub for the neighborhood. it's undergoing growth and in order to serve a wide range of community members into the future, the center needs renovation in the near future. beginning in 2015, the trust for public land in partnership and close coordination with the recreation and park department led a community engagement process to develop this feasibility study and concept design for expansion and improvement of the facility. and this process included five public meetings, over 20 focus groups and a hundred survey

respondents and direct engagement with many local stakeholders. the results were a feasibility study that provided a preliminary group of options along with the recommended concept design to renovate the facility, featuring over 10,000 additional square feet of expanded activity space and creating a welcome and open and safe environment. these resources will serve to inform the next phase of the project by providing us with the community supported concept plan to implement. i'd like to close by thanking the trust for public land for their partnership on this project and to recognize the senior program manager here with us today. thank you very much for your time and we hope that you will support acceptance of this grant. >> president fewer: thank you very much. any questions or comments for mr. sinclaire? there is no report on this and i do have a question for you, mr. sinclaire. and that is that this term of this grant is from october 2n october 2nd, 2018 through march 31st, 2019.

which is next week. why is this retroactive? and have you begun expending the funds? >> so this is all in-kind. so the final work product is what we're accepting now which is the concept design and feasibility study. we have been working for several years now with the trust for public land on that process. but no funds were exchanged as part of this grant. it's all in-kind. >> president fewer: thank you very much. let's open this up for public comment. any members of the public that would like to comment on item number 3? hi, sir, you have two minutes. >> good morning, everybody. i'm philip vitali for the trust for public land and we're part of the design and feasability study for this project. and i wanted to point out how valuable this project is to the community. there's more than 1300 children living within a two-minute walk of that facility. and over 57% of the people

within that walker low income. so this is a really important facility for the community and we really wanted to make sure that we examined the existing space. and we looked at what the community would really desire for a rec center. so we're excited to offer this and we thank the foundation for their gift which allows us to do this feasibility study and concept design, so thank you very much. >> president fewer: thank you very much. seeing no public comment, public comment is now closed. supervisor mandelman, would you like to make a recommendation on this? >> supervisor mandelman: sure, i move that we forward this to the full board with positive recommendation. >> president fewer: yes, we can take that without objection. thank you very much, madam clerk, call number 4. >> clerk: item 4, ordinance amending the business and tax regulations code to add a credit against a person or bomb bined groups homeles homelessness gros

receipts tax equal to 10% of the portion of a person or combined group's tax liability for a tax year with respect to the person or combined group enters into a agreement waives its right to a refund of its tax payments associated with any claim that the homelessness gross receipts tax ordinance is invalid because it required a two-thirds vote rather than a majority to the electorate to pass. >> president fewer: there's a b.l.a. report but i think that we'll hear it in full when we have the presentation also. any members of the public that would like to comment? public comment is closed. and i would like to continue this to the meeting of april 3rd. without objection. thank you very much. can you call number 5. >> clerk: item 5, resolution authorizing the office of the treasurer and tax collector to accept and expend a grant in the amount of $150,000 from the workers lab for designing and piloting a workers fund at san francisco international airport

from may 1, 2019, through june 30, 2020. >> president fewer: thank you very much. i believe that we have once again amanda fried from the office of treasurer and tax collector. >> good morning again, supervisors. amanda fried from the office of the treasurer and tax collector. i'm here this morning again to present for your approval a resolution that will allow our office of financial empowerment to accept and expend a $150,000 grant from the workers lab. the grant funds will allow the office of financial empowerment to pilot a workers fund intend to safety private sector workers at the san francisco international airport to manage emergencies. around 40,00,000 non-government employees work at the hub. and many of these are low-wage workers struggling to make ends meet. half of the 40,000 workers at

s.f.o. earn less than $50,000 annually. the workers fund would provide employees access to funds to manage financial hardships such as a car breakdown, a high winter heating bill or a medical emergency. the fund would draw in models from other sectors with employers correcting on behalf of their employees. access to this benefit and the workplace could help the workers to stabilize and make ends meet, maintain their jobs and reduce reliance on predatory financial services that can be detrimental to their financial well-being and often trap borrowers in a cycle of debt. in collaboration with the airport workers and their unions and s.f.o. and their tenant employers, s.f.o. will design and pilot a workers' fund. o.f.c. will determine how employees access the funds and the funds accessible to each employee and how to administer and how to fund the model with contributions from tenant employers and the airport.

they will test the workers' fund with a sub-set of employers and employees to access the financial well-being and household stability and to collect insights that inform how best to operationalize the funds on scale. as o.s.c. works with key stakeholders to pilot the workers' fund how to scale the fund to benefit all 40,000 non-city workers at the airport. the project period for the grant begins on may 1, 2019, and end on june 30th, 2020. thank you for your consideration and i'm happy to answer any questions that you might have. >> president fewer: thank you very much. colleagues, any questions or comments? seeing none and there is no b.l.a. plan on this so let's open this up for public comment. any members of the public that would like to comment on item 5 in seeing none, public comment is closed. i wanted to mention that i am really glad to hear that the

private sector actually is involved in this. and we're looking to -- seeking their funding, actually, to help to fund this fund which i think is excellent. but they should be paying for it, quite frankly. we approve and this committee, many, many contracts for private businesses actually to operate at the airport. and they're a social responsibility also to help out their workers. so, thank you very much. i'd like to move this to the full board with a positive recommendation. we can take that without objection. thank you very much. madam clerk, i'd like to make a motion to rescind item number 2. can i take that without objection? thank you very much. and item number 2, we originally had -- it continued to the meeting of april 3rd, and we -- i'd like now to make a motion to give a positive recommendation and move this out of committee to the full board.

take that without objection. thank you very much, thank you, colleagues. madam clerk, now please call item 6. >> clerk: item 6, resolution authorizing the public utilities commission to execute amendment number 4 to an agreement with black and veatch corporation, increasing the length of the agreement by 1 10 months for a total agreement amount of $71.8 million. >> president fewer: thank you very much, i believe that we have mr. dan wade here. the director of the water system treatment program. >> good morning, supervisors. i'm here to speak about the replacement project, the construction management contract, which is cs-911 with black and veatch corporation. a little bit of the project background -- the replacement project has reached substantial completion. this project started way back in 2002. it's been a long journey but we have recently been able to have

water at this critical reservoir as part of the water system for the first time in 17 years to full capacity. differing site conditions on the project have had cost and scheduling impacts over time. i can speak more to that if you have questions later. there were also severe rain events in 2017 that delayed the project. the original contract was awarded in 2010 for $38 million with a duration of five years and six months. and due to the site conditions there's been two amendments since the original contract was executed. and so black and vetch has provided these management services which are critical to the completion since initiation in 2010 when the contracks started and we went to retainment through the end of the project which is an additional 10 months. this is a recent picture of calaveras dam, it's a replacement dam, 220 feet high

and the largest local reservoir, when i say local i mean local to the barrier, and with the sierra mountain range. it's a critical water supply that stores over half of the supply here in the bay area for 2.7 million people. it's a 3.5 million cubic yard earth and rock filled dam. the previous amendments for this construction contractor are summarized here. amendment one was for time only due to an issue that came up early in construction because there were other issues that happened shortly after that. and that amendment was never executed. and so we have amendment 2, which was a small amount to buy us time while we prepared a larger amendment to come to the board back in 2015. and those are summarized there. and so amendment 4, which is what i'm here to request today, is to essentially finish out the

project. to finish out the construction which will occur this may. and then to do the closeout documentation which would take another 10 months. and these are the services that they are continuing to provide. i won't read those to you. and so our request is to approve the amendment with black and veatch for $3.8 million to bring it to $78.1 million with an increase duration of 10 months to nine years and eight months. this allows us to continue these management services for the very important project for the water system. i'd be happy to take questions. >> president fewer: supervisor stefani. >> supervisor stefani: can you explain the cost overruns and i know that you mentioned the sub-surface conditions. but if you could expand. >> and i have been here to

explain several times over the years to the board so i just want to say that so that people know that this has been well documented over time. so in late 2014, early 2015, there were two ancient landslides discovered in the sub-surface of the large fill that we call the left abuttment or dam that needed investigation. so the project essentially halted for about four months while that ancient landslide there -- they were investigated. these landslides were drove through during the geologic investigations during the planning and the design phases of the project. and so the natural question to ask -- why didn't we know about these prior to construction? and so we actually, through the city's attorney office, hired an independent consultant to do an independent investigation. and the findings were that, you know, these ancient landsl