you satisfied with the three-point eight% enrolment, is that what you all projected before you launch the program? it seems very low to me. >> i can understand that. we actually set a goal of 5%. we thought it was a reasonable starting point. most reform lower than where we are at, and part of it is because it requires taking an action on the part of the consumer. if i could have the slides again what we are trying to do in the bigger picture. i think i understand where we are coming from from the environmental perspective here, and we are trying to make the entire energy mix that we deliver as clean as possible.

we want to take the environmental issue out of the picture and regardless of whether you are green or super green, you are doing something right by the environment and helping us address the climate crisis. we will continue to push the super green sign-ups. i look forward with working with the department of environment to establish a shocking target for you all, but we also do need to be realistic in that super green is a voluntary action.

they could make this green, super green differ he -- differentiation irrelevant. some things are more local products, for example. we are not going to settle at 5% >> thank you. i have my second question, thank you. and your reference to working with the department was a really good segue for me to pick up on, because specifically, i would like to know what are the opportunities for the p.u.c. to collaborate with this department on potential energy efficiencies programs for us, of course.

it would reduce the demand generally. >> sure. this is a really important thing that is on the horizon. we have already commenced collaboration on this issue. working with the director and her team, her energy team, we are looking at opportunities to fund energy efficiency programs, so this city, as a community choice aggregator has certain rights to some of the public purpose to funds that are collected on all of our bills, funds of the california p.u.c. is responsible for. so we are looking very closely at those pathways, it is a complex process, but the p.u.c. is very excited to leverage the great experience that the department of the environment has on this and to build from,

really, all the great energy efficiency programming that has been done over time. so i thank you are going to hear a lot more about things we can do together coming up. >> thank you. i look forward to it. >> i have similar questions around the three-point eight, which is if, have you crunch the numbers on what it would look like, if the regular clean power s.f. is 48%, and super green, which i also have, is 100%, what are the numbers if a magic wand experience happened and we all of a sudden had 80% enrolment? is that radical, or because the curve is going all toward 100% by 2030? i am just wondering if there was a dramatic bump, what would that do to emissions? >> so what it would it do to

citywide emissions? >> yeah. >> one thing that we are observing, and i think this is through the work of the department of the environment, is that electric emissions are a shrinking wedge, a significantly shrinking wedge. >> i'm not exactly sure it could -- it might have what the emissions are, it depends a little bit on the uptake rate on the participation. i think 60% of the enrolment, is that the question? >> people are opted in to clean power s.f., the general one, automatically. >> yes. it is an auto enrolment, and customers then have the choice to opt out. >> yes, and so 3.5% for an

average of $4 a month, you said, that is 50 2% bump in terms of clean, which is huge, to me, obviously we have different income rates in the city, but even a study of latinos that was done, i'm trying to remember the search. latinos among demographic groups is one of the most aggressive on wanting climate solutions, on one of the questions as a pole on latino decisions saying people would be willing to pay more, so it just seems like a big opportunity, and i'm just interested in engaging more around that question, because i am enrolled for the thursday breakfast, it was easy, but it wasn't what you raised in one of the most tech savvy cities on earth, it seems like we should be able to figure out how to get the word out, because it seems to me like i get the word out

question more than, you know, will people be into this or not, especially for $4, or a 50 2% increase, and also in light of california becoming 100% clean energy, puerto rico just made that commitment, mexico made that commitment, by the outreach model may not be sufficient for the level of the task, and that is where i think creative thinking -- i would be interested in helping. it seems like a missed opportunity, especially for the half of the emissions in the electric sector. >> yeah. i certainly welcome further engagement on thinking about how we could do that, so thank you. >> i just have one follow-up question. we are probably obsessing over a very minor part of the overall picture, but do we have the ability -- can we get things into the bill that comes from pg and the? do we have the ability to effect that or insert something?

>> we are not allowed to include inserts in the pg and the bill, we do have a page in the bill, and we have some limited real estate to provide messaging that is character limited. it is unfortunately a little bit of a straitjacket, we don't have a lot that we can do, but we can include some of that messaging. >> i just think, for three-point eight%, it is not because you asked people whether you'd get a much higher percentage if you just asked people about the switch, i think it's that it's not easy. when they think about it, they don't have the bill, they don't have the number. in a way, maybe it is just messaging. get something into the bill that would allow them to take a simple action. that would be great. hard, but great.

>> any other questions, commissioners? do we have any public comment on this item? please come forward. >> san francisco clean energy advocates and californians for energy choice. first, just to address the issue you just spoke to. i want to repeat that if someone pops out to 100%, ups out to super green, that does not build new clean energy, necessarily. so please keep that in mind. i think it is great to encourage people to opt up to 100%, and that is something we should do with everybody, and it would be great to get to ten or 15%. if we got to everybody really quickly, like i said in my previous comment, that would cause problems for renewable energy prices, but the really important thing to know in this point is that we will be, by 2030, all the customers will be

100% renewable, so we are -- that is happening already anyways because at the price of renewables has gone down so much , so just to repeat what i said on the last item, the important thing is to build local and regional renewables so that when people do opt up to 100%, they are opting up to help build stuff, and that is one way you can get that super green enrolment to go up. other community trace programs are doing this, i think at least in sonoma and maybe in marin they do allow some of their customers to pay extra, and it specifically goes to a local installation of some sort of renewables, like solar, wind, efficiency, things like that. so that is a way to encourage people to get in, and to opt up to the 100%. by showing them that something is going to happen in their community, if they do. so i would encourage you to

explore that bigger picture and we need to get to the next phase of why we can create a community choice in the first place, and why we created clean power s.f. in the first place, and that is to build local infrastructure and regional infrastructure so that we are actually transitioning physically to 100% renewables by 2030 in our own area, and one of the benefits that that has, when you localize energy and you build microgrids, and you're getting as much of your electricity locally as possible, it takes you away to buy large sources of energy from distant locations, including renewables from distant locations that go to the long-range transmission lines that are causing the fires that are destroying california, so these things all fit together with what's happening altogether

in the state, and really, we need to get to that next phase of building local. thanks. >> thank you. next speaker. >> my name is john anderson. i am a san francisco resident. i have been -- my wife also is here. we have been super green customers for least a year. i would like to say that our experience in enrolling echoed what commissioner sullivan has said. it was not straightforward, and required a couple of calls to the p.u.c. at the risk of obsessing over

the super green enrolment, which i think it's very important, especially because the commissioner just said, it's -- they just said its price to build new infrastructure which we certainly need i've been talking to friends and coworkers trying to get them to talk about it just a sort of an informal of the four or five coworkers that i have talked to, one had heard of super green, and had no idea how it worked or how to sign up for it, so these people are a professional colleges. they are passionate about

protecting the land and the environment. and furthermore, they are literate, college-educated, and tech savvy. all of the possible demographics , you would expect them to know most about the super green, and yet, they don't so a comments i have realized, it is really great to see the publicity machine cranking up, and it's been a while, but it is good to see it is getting going, but there is a ways waste ago, and as a question, how much have you looked at how far your message is getting out? has the commission done polling

to see what awareness there is? >> thank you. any other comments? >> again, my name is helena. i have a comment about potentially making it easier to switch to super green. i don't know if this is a possibility with the bill, but if you just have on the bill a box you can check to switch, if you can work that out with pg and e. i assume it is harder than it sounds, but that would be the easiest. people would see it when they're paying their bill. and then, secondarily, just to reiterate what others have said, it doesn't do any good for the climate crisis if san francisco minimizes its carbon emissions by decreasing the general pg and

the level of renewables, so we need to be very careful that when we are increasing our in city amounts of renewables, everybody else has said, that these solar projects are going throughout the state and the country. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker. >> i just wanted to say that this feedback that we are giving the gentleman is pretty much universal. people have a lot of trouble signing up with this 100% green, and that may create a feeling that the efts at -- p.u.c., for perhaps a very meritorious technical reasons, such as the ones mr. brooks mentioned and others, is not as enthusiastic about going for force as we

might wish, but our focus should be on what can be done to smooth the way, to get that power 100% green all over the city, asap, because we now know that the emergency is a whole hell of a lot worse than we thought it was , and the program is being developed. >> thank you. >> one more thing, we can expect a lot more today. if we are successful, then we will get people to go to electric vehicles. >> thank you. next speaker. >> i am a one issue guy, so you know what i'm talking about. but i also want to say, that is a brilliant idea. that is super smart. so i am pointing this out to the commission because there is someone from the p.u.c. here with the audacious hope that if i keep speaking about this

meeting, things will improve, but specifically to the p.u.c., there was a big study that they were undergoing the project. they turned down the surprise planting of a lot of trees that took off a lot of load off the infrastructure, so that is something the city of philadelphia did. and have found tremendous cost reductions in terms of the load on the infrastructure, the need to constantly repair and replace , and reduces the amount of water you simply need to filter, because trees are a natural water filter, and as they filter that water, it actually stabilizes the climate for their infrastructural

project, it applies this to themselves, including public works code article 16 that deals with street trees, and just a little report on how they're doing so far in applying that rule to themselves, they have not once in ten years filed a tree protection plan as is required by law, and in the last ten years, if you look over the urban forestry council report, which i do, it turns out they had removed 475 trees and planted 39, and as a matter of fact, for the infrastructure project, they do not consider possible preservation of trees. if you take for example, the massive renovation going on at the headwater facility right now , where every one of the trees on that property has 82 and the bayview where they have one of the lowest rates i hope that this message gets back to the people who can make these changes. we are working really hard on this stuff. this is another thing that does

not cost a whole lot of money and makes a whole lot of impact, especially for the agencies like the public utilities commission. and to the extent that this can have any influence, i would respectfully request you do that >> thank you. director raphael? >> thank you. i have a question for you. we are going to be hearing our last presentation tonight, will leave us on another inspired moment in terms of how we reached out to people. one of the things that i was curious about is if we where wildly successful with the super green launch and the three-point h. 20%, is there heartburn in terms of your ability to meet that load with 100% renewable? this was part of the question about where you were sort of hoping to slow that because it wouldn't get to market?

is there a threshold beyond which it kind of keeps you up at night? >> no, we would love to have that problem. i don't think -- to just be very clear, the p.u.c. has no interest in a low, super green participation rate. we would love to see 100%. and our job is to acquire the supply for our customers and if our customers want 100% renewable energy, that is what we will do. just the practical reality is that there's a lots of -- mr. brooks has alluded to this in his comments, there's a lot of competition in the market. a lot of other communities who are trying to do what we are doing, which is taking a leadership position. so there are constraints on bond resources, but that is also part

of -- that is why we have a planning process, and we are going to be initiating our next integrated resource plan for 2020. the p.u.c. will be developing a capital plan, so we are already looking at how we can plan for those projects to either support more super green demands, or to make evergreen product that much more renewable. >> thank you. >> maybe go onto the next presentation? >> the next presentation is seven a, presentation on the outreach for the residential campaign. this item is for discussion. >> all right. i will talk about our 100% renewable energy campaign and the one you mentioned.

the goal was to raise awareness among san franciscans of the availability of 100% renewable energy. is this better? so i don't need to say this again, but i will. a critical part of allowing more san francisco residents to purchase -- to participate in helping our city to reach the 100 goal is clean power s.f. super green option. it was mentioned earlier, but before super green existed, only property owners had access to 100% renewable energy, and now anyone who pays an electric bill does. this is fantastic. and what our challenge was was making sure that people are actually aware of this and that they care enough to act on it. so as always with any campaign, we have to understand our

audience. we need to know what motivates them and what their barriers are , fortunately, back in 2016 when super green first rolled out, we did a grassroots initiative to get the enrolment, and we spoke with over 3,000 residents as part of that initiative, so we went back to those findings to design our campaign. so what was encouraging was that there was a high level of interest in renewable energy, and that was in particular amongst 18 taught that 40 -year-olds. we came across a lot of barriers , one of the bigger ones was that people didn't yet recognize what clean power s.f. was, and you're not going to get electricity from a provider that you are not familiar with, and the rest were a series of misperceptions, so the number 1 misperception was that renewable energy was not for renters, that it would cost too much, that you would have to switch providers,

and do all kinds of paperwork, or that you would need equipment installed like solar panels. but the reality is, it is for renters, as long as you are paying an electric bill. the cost at that time was only five to $6 more which was within the willingness to pay of residents who had been surveyed, and if you had your account number ready, it would show you that it took about 30 seconds to sign up. so the challenge was we need to let people know that something we don't know exists does exist, and also overcome those barriers so that they understand it is available, it is affordable, and it is easy. as always, with any advertisement campaign, we have so much noise that we have to break through. we have to assume that our audience doesn't really care that they are are indifferent, and that means that we need to connect with their emotions. we need to find ways to connect with their sense of humor, with how they relate to san francisco

this is not easy to do with energy marketing. we are dealing with something that you can't interact with with any of your five senses. we have seen images of light bulbs and power outlets and light switches and surprise, people don't really emotionally relate to those things. so that was a question we had to ask ourselves. how we do eat -- how do we engage this group, let them know something they don't really think about that often, and don't know exists, does exists, but it is available to renters, they don't have to switch providers, it is affordable, it is easy, and make sure we keep those communications hyper local , humourous, relatable, but also outside of the box so that we actually get their attention, and make sure that all of that is simple and easy to understand so here is what we came up with. these adds are designed to address the barriers while also being local to san francisco and

humourous and relatable. part of the reason for the local references is if you see one and you feel like you are part of an inside joke. we also wanted to make sure that our path alliance were as inclusive as possible so we held an afternoon workshop to outsource them. we had very few words to play with on these adds because a high priority was that they were simple and easy to understand and very actionable. so every word we picked, was carefully chosen. we picked renters too just to address that -- that issue had on. there wasn't an indirect way to get at that concept. in terms of picketing the marketing channels, we wanted 100% renewable energy that would be something that is familiar and approachable. so we picked channels that would serve as a surroundsound experience as someone throughout -- for someone throughout their day. so we had adds on best exteriors

and interiors, this one is our cheaper than garlic fries on game day ad, we had full bus box , transit shelters, -- sure, sorry. i am just -- you guys have sat there quite an evening already. printed and digital adds in the chronicle, we have a sponsored article four s.f. gate.com, and it ran as a full-page sponsor story in the chronicle. we had google search adds, digital display adds, and facebook and instagram adds. all of these adds directed to our landing page. the idea behind it was to really simply explain what super green was before handing someone off to the enrolment page, and we also wanted to take advantage of

the campaign to have it be a catalyst for other types of renewable energy, so we framed it in a story as a lifestyle, and provided links to other resources like electric vehicles so what were our results? we were really happy with the feedback we received on social media. it really showed that our adds resonated with our target audience. this has been -- someone grabbed a picture of the image. they posted on instagram and gave us an a+ in marketing. we got a lot of comments like these. this was our very favorite. i did not ask anyone to post that on my behalf. >> did you get a bonus? >> we will see? so in terms of this, we have 34 million impressions over 11,000 visited our landing page picks people spent an average of

almost a minute and a half per visit, p.u.c., super green enrolment page got over 2,000 visits. [please stand by]

>> we wanted to use that money to push 100% renewable, and so we made the decision because we don't have an energy budget to do this to use that prize money. so we love to do this kind of work, we love to partner with san francisco p.u.c. it's just that we cannot repeat this without outside resources. and i'm just saying that this is, i hope, what p.u.c. sees is an example of our intention to be such a good partner with our

fellow city agencies and we believe in what they're doing and we want to do everything that we can to support what they do. >> commissioner sullivan? >> great presentation, and i loved the ad campaign. i loved seeing it in muni stops, the humor, finding your friend in dolores park or with fries. did you track the numbers before and after? >> we did, and they went up by about a third. i think that was the bump that was being referred to last fall. >> commissioner oyos?

>> so thanks for giving your presentation here. when i consider myself as, like, an audience, i'm, like, an eco person, i like, like everyone, a good laugh. so i want to say kudos for the piece of work that was done that was humorous and achieved your goal. so not from a critique frame, from a questioning frame because there's lots of ways to address the issue. my question is in the chronicle ad, you hit another point or touched people about the piece on climate change. so i'm curious about if there's any transaction about that sort of, you know, like, you think of robert kennedy, ask not what your country can do for you but what you can do -- 'cause you used a couple of times, you know, it's hard -- what did you call it -- you talked about,

what did you call it, energy sourcing? and i think that energy sourcing is kind of wonky, but i do think that climate action especially in the wake of the devastating fires. i think in the wake of -- for the first time in my life, and i've spent my whole life in the bay area, having to put masks on your kids. i'm wondering -- i'm not saying let's not have a strategy that's light and funny, but there are groups that do look at a.b. testing not on a timeline but on a testing strategy. how did the chronicle ad to because that was your social responsibility and is there a pathway in the future for touching that piece of our psyche that is more concerned about climate change and climate action that is more concerned that we've got 12

years. so it isn't an either-or, it's a both-and rooted question. i think if you look at census tracts, where do most families live. if you had -- how do we hit parents with this message? for $4 a month, you could help address the biggest threat to our kids. i do think -- i think there's a pathway to more uptake, so i'll stop there. >> so let me try -- i think i have a few points to address that. one, i would love to chat with you offline about any lessons learned from other data you -- the more that we can bring in data or testing methods, transgendit is rather on the pricey end to do, but i am all for it. in terms of the climate, those

articles, we hadn't tried sponsored stories in the chronicle, but they were very effective, and we determined in the end, we would want to direct more funds toward them. the talking point to the number one thing you can do for climate action, like, the number one decision is actually one we found in 2016 was the most effective in our outreach in those 3,000 conversations was letting people know. people want to do something, and giving them something that is a one-time simple action, that really got people interested, so i think that may have been, like, that big, bold headline about it was one incredibly simple thing you can do. it pinpointed it to a single thing. of course, we didn't test other headlines. >> right. >> but that was certainly my thought in creating that

headline was taking it off a point we used in the field so much. >> so in closing, i'd love to talk to you offline? and also think about nonprofits, if you think about what nonprofit does to influence what a whole city does, i don't think it would -- you could help shape the messaging strategy of a whole california city. i think they'd like to help. >> okay. that's fantastic. >> commissioner wan? >> quick question. how much do we invest in this campaign? in order to keep the momentum going, i'm just wondering what is the resources. >> i will have to get back to you with a specific number. >> i have a follow up question to this. which is some of this is

durable. you don't need to sit down and talk about tacos and talk about public awareness. the other thing i would like you to tell us, those are some costs, so what would a campaign like this look like going forward? >> that's an excellent question. going forward, we've spoken with p.u.c. staff just to talk about the principle, but because they are having this big event in april where they get to, you know, announce really that they've enrolled so much of the city -- they don't want to rebrand. there's been a brand that's been incredibly effective. we are look to do this. they would need to trek the princip --

tweak the principle ads. the question is the cost of available budget. we haven't heard any definitive numbers at this point, it's all theoretical. >> yes. >> hi. program manager, communications and community engagement. just to answer your question, commissioner wan, i believe it was a two-month fly for the campaign, i believe it was 200,000. so that was the time for engaging our agency, the media buy, creative services, research, testing -- so our time was separate from that, but that was for the entire campaign. >> any other questions? if not, do we have any public comment on this item? mr. brooks? >> hello. eric brooks again, san

francisco clean energy advocates. excuse me. getting over that cold, and californians for energy choice. this is really good. the tacos and the garlic fries, that's really good. the funding for the next round of this -- and hopefully, there'll be funding for the next round of this. i've got a done of key messages, the key thing that i saw that was missing on the bus line, but it's really crucial. the sfpuc is this same problem in its marketing. cleanpowersf has to be just as big as the word tacos and probably just as noticeable, probably in green because people need to be able to go to their phone, open their phone, and tap in cleanpowersf.org.

that's a simple thing that will make this more effective. the other thing that's really techie that's really crucial, even on on-line ads and other places where people can interact with their cell phone with the marketing, is put the like q.r. code up on the ad. you've seen them for cryptocurrency, it's not just the bars, it's the little scrambled thing when you get on amtrak. put those things on each ad so when somebody's reading the paper or they're on the bus, they see the ad, there's a q.r. code that says use your phone to track this app and sign up.

>> thank you. any other comments? if not, we'll go onto the next item. thank you. >> clerk: the next item is item eight, director's report. the explanatory document is the director's report. this item is for discussion. >> and before we have our director give the report, i just wanted to point out that something very, very cool happened because she was listed -- let me get the proper title here. to director debbie raphael was added to the list of the world's 100 most influential people in climate policy, and this prestigious group includes post francis, paris mayor, al gore, congress woman alexandra

ocasio-cortez, and the list goes on. but we are so proud of your work. [applause] >> the work, the recognition that people who are -- who are in this area, i just watched when we had the global climate summit in san francisco, and when you said you were a member of this commission, commission on the environment, they were just like do you know debbie raphael? it's just a wonderful indication for our city. it's embraced with heart and feeling and such deep commitment, to thank you. [applause] >> oh, yeah. when i saw that, at first, i thought it was a gimmick that

they wanted money out of me or something, and then, i realized that apolitical was something in the u.k. there were two cities on the list, copenhagen and san francisco. i do agree, president bermejo, that it speaks to the world what san francisco is doing, just like all the people that are listed, it's so much beyond all individuals, it's what they do collectively. it's getting late, and my list of what's on here is so incredibly inspiring, so i'm just going to go quickly because i want to call some things out. i want to say congratulations to commissioner wan, and her award was such a kick to see it

and so much fun to read about your history. we've had some milestones, the electric vehicle working group, that we've been working on this 1.5 years. this is going before the mayor for her review and decision. i'm going to be meeting with the mayor the day after tomorrow to talk about our environmental agenda, so this will be one thing on the list of many things that i will be talking about with the mayor. just so you know, the zero rollout, we are making incredible progress on that. no our green business awards, i definitely want to thank commissioners wan and an, who came. i know everybody was not able to make it, but it was phenomenal, don't you agree? yeah, it was amazing. we recognized more than 100

certified green businesses. that's more than we ever recognized. today, he had a deep honor being invited by the rec and park department. they do something once a year called rec park university where they give a conference experience to line staff who normally wouldn't get to go to conferences, and so they asked me to come talk about zero 8100 roots, and the energy that i caught from the people in the audience was phenomenal and just made me so proud of how deep our commitment is and city staff to do what they can for climate. mike is not here anymore but was so fascinated to your question, commissioner wald, about examples of working on energy efficiency with p.u.c. we actually had a very interesting meeting with barbara hale and mike hiyams t talk about the future, either through the funding charges which p.u.c. will have to apply

for? it's labor intensive and we're committed to working with them. it's also committed to exploring revenues with cleanpowersf. once after enrollment expands, they should have more revenue, and we gave them some options for energy plans that they could help us fund. lastly, i want to remind you that earth day breakfast is not happening this year. the mayor made the decision that she didn't want to focus on one event, but a month of service, a month of action. so we have been reimagining our earth day celebrations, so we are having an s.f. month of climate action. we'll be launching that on april 1, with the mayor, along with other announcements, so look for that, we'll give you more information once we have it. there will be a month of

opportunities for all of us to participate, from planting trees to putting solar in to cleaning up the city. we're launching a website around climate action that people can do. it's also movies and lectures. there's so much going on in the city in april. we will let you know just like we did with gcas what some opportunities are for you to represent the city in april. and then, of course on april 24, which i hope you all have on your calendars, that is a closing reception, it is an evening reception in the green room where we will be celebrating a month of action and based on the work that you have done, the first ever mayor's environmental service award. so we will be launching that and mayor breed will give the first inaugural service award which we hope will be an annual event. we've given her a list of potential candidates, so we'll

be working with her on that. so i'm very excited. it's been exhausting and exhilarating. i want to give a shout out to those who have been working so hard. and i want to end the meeting with an introduction. i hate to do this to giana, but i will because it'll put context to you. this is the new tamar. >> oh. >> oh, welcome. >> yes. i'm giana. this is my second day working for the department of environment? i am super honored and grateful to be joining such a strong team and to be picking up where tamar left off and hopefully to be taking the environmental

education to the next level? i'm an irmt environmental educationo -- i'm an environmental educator, and it's exciting to educate the next level of environmental educators. thank you for having me. >> welcome. [applause] >> any questions regarding the director's report? any public comment? hearing none, next item. >> clerk: the next item is item nine, committee reports. this item is for discussion. president bermejo, we received a request to table the item from a commissioner. is there any objection? >> okay. sounds like a plan. >> due to the lateness of the hour, and that was 1.5 hours ago. >> i guess we ask for public comment on tabling the item? is there any comment? okay. next item. >> clerk: the next item is

item ten, announcements. this item is for discussion. >> commissioners? any public comment? okay. thank you. no public comment? then. >> clerk: the next item is item 11, new business, the speaker is charles sheehan, new business and policy advisor. >> thank you, commissioners. i'll be brief. the next policy commission is on april 8. we're still working on a policy commissions meeting which will be sometime in may, and the next date is may 28 for that meeting. we are looking to bring you a presentation about our carpool pilot program as well as some things that our director alluded to regarding electric vehicles and our work with the city and other city departments on the promotion of electric vehicles within the city. so stay tuned, that will be a

very substantive agenda topic that we're hoping to bring to you. >> okay. thank you. any comment? any public comment? >> yes, i do -- i know it's late, but i -- there's something that was brought up by one of the public commenters on an earlier item that i really think did warrant a future agenda item for the commission. and that is this idea of building for transit density. the commenter made the comment that senator wiener's sb-50 would increase transit use and increase affordable housing, and nothing to be more opposite than the truth -- from the truth. the reality is that those -- legislation like that has been repeatedly used to build market rate housing.

and if you look at the legislation and unpack it, you will see that most of the housing that will be built is market rate. so market rate and luxury house, if you look at the numbers that have been crunched, the people at those income levels do not use transit, they drive cars because they're wealthy enough not to use transit. so when you build a building and it's only got ten to 15% or sometimes unfortunately even less affordable housing in it, you're not serving the transit center that you're building the building next to, you're just increasing car jams in city centers. another huge problem with this legislation is that it specifically targets, specifically targets places that are -- already have transit centers that have transit -- accessible transit nearby, and if you look at the news reports about this legislation, you will see that

there are suburban mayors and supervisors and city council members who have said boy, we're not going to build transit now if that passes because if we do, they're going to come in and take over our city and build super high-rises because the legislation allows them to do that without us having a say locally. so it's actually -- this kind of legislation, unless it has incredibly high amounts of low-income and middle working class housing, those people do ride transit when they're next to it. if it doesn't have really high levels of that kind of housing, it actually makes the situation worse. and then, to top it off, it -- the amount of market rate and luxury housing gentrifies the area, and they use a car to get

into the city and create even more emissions. i think it would be good for this commission to have a really lengthy hearing about how transit density actually works and how to actually get it to happen. thanks. >> thank you. okay. next item. >> clerk: the next item is item 12, adjournment. the time is 8:23 p.m. . >> we are adjourned.

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