offices, and now, you know -- [inaudible] >> these are all city policies that, you know -- the problem isn't going to -- the problem has to be pulled apart piece by piece, and it's not going to happen in just one street. i do support the task force, by the way. thanks. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> hi. my name is michael, and i am

the clubhouse director of the boys and girls club of san francisco tenderloin clubhouse. for over the past 20 years, we've been in the tenderloin district, and now for generations, we've had families who have lived with open air drug dealing, open air drug use, and all the problems that go with it. we live among four sites that are disconnected. what that means is every day, our staff, with their families

have to navigate all the traumas that has happened in this tenderloin district. we have kids who we ask more and more recently to reflect on their time in the tenderloin and their boys and girls club. and they don't even mention it anymore. they've normalized it, something that should not be normal. and what has ended up happening is we go through your essays to get in college, they don't even mention it no more. this is a very beautiful, tune time for us to really make some changes. i look forward to seeing what we do next because there's a lot of energy, a lot of argueses, a lot of people that are ready to do something great here. what we're looking for is to

have a system changing procedure, to allow changes in practices to really occur. this task force is definitely a step in the right direction, and i can't wait to see what happens next. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> my name is felicia smith. i'm the tenant organizer at the hotel at hyde and geary, half a block away from where a major drug organization is at. i moved there five years ago, and i noticed when i first moved there, there were all these 13 and 14-year-olds out there, and i knew what they were doing. and i wondered, why aren't they in school? and now, it's the same guys out there, and they have become

more aggressive. i walk out my door, and within 15 feet, i've got them saying, do you want something, mama? do you want something? it got to the point where i finally screamed, i don't do drugs. they're getting more aggressive, they're getting meaner. i would like to say one thing, that we've had a lot of negativity here. i've been in san francisco 39 years. this is my fourth time around in the tenderloin. it is the best time. it's a community now. i can walk down the street and have people say hi, felicia. how you doing? or give me a hug, come across the street. the three times before, i

didn't know anybody. it is a community now. now we just need to get rid of the drug stuff. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon. my name is eric arguella ao an work at the glide community justice center as a community organizer. i think to have a long-term sustainable out come that has sustainable communities, it's best to learn what are the issues. it is history of trauma, drug use, and poverty will play a role. we all know criminalization, incarceration, war on drugs has not worked. it only creates a system of punishing then taking a holistic healing approach

long-term. this needs to be addressed by bringing members of the local community who are the experts, who understand the del indicate balance between surviving and thriving, people of color who understand experienced profiling on a day-to-day basis, individuals in recovery and such. the outcomes will be truly informed, well thought out, and in a harm rubbieduction approan a long-term approach. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, honorable supervisors. my name is riannon baylard, and i am the executive director of operations at u.c. hastings law. thank you for addressing this epidemic that is overrunning

the tenderloin. i oversee policing and security for hastings and this is an issue that we deal with on a daily basis. our staff are scared to come to work. our students, if they choose to come, many who come to the neighborhood decide not to attend hastings because of what they see here. those who do choose to come are scared to go-between buildings, and yet these are individuals that have a choice. they can choose to go to school or work elsewhere. as has been said, there are many in the tenderloin who do not have another option, including many seniors and children as has been mentioned multiple times. so i see an opportunity here for us to come together, to reject that the tenderloin has and continues to be a dumping ground for drug activity and

activities that more affluent neighborhoods push out of their neighborhood and into the tenderloin. i don't know what the solutions are. there have been a lot of good suggestions that have been provided to today, but i believe if you are all commit today convening this multidisciplinary task force and also commit to recommendations that come from the task force, it will be a step in the right direction, and hastings stands ready to partner with you in these efforts. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you very much. next speaker. >> hi there. i'm a resident, and i work in the tenderloin. listening to all of these people talk, i realized something. you know, i'm not smart enough, nor am i -- well, we'll just leave it at that. i'm not smart enough to figure out what will work on this task force. but i do know for sure what won't work. i think it was in 1914 was the

first several mandated markets laws was -- narcotics laws was established. now, i don't know what is right, but i know a path to follow, and that is what we have done in the past. so you've got to be thinking outside of the box because buying -- hiring more police may seem like that's a thing to do but that's the worst thing because that's all we've not done in the past. so all i can say it i don't know what you can do differently, but please, let's think outside the box and let's be a task force that can do something for a positive change and not just be the same old, well, we did this last year so let's do it this year because

it's too difficult to come up with something. really meaningful, and have it work. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> my name is tony page. i'm a resident in -- off the -- off of 6th street. i'm also a volunteer at glide. the reason why i've come, you know, we're talking about open air drug dealing. thing is, where i live, i see it all the time. and most of the people i see doing it truthfully are kids. i'm seeing, like, 13, 14, 15, 16-year-old kids doing it, and they're the ones that aren't making that much money off of it. it's the people that send them that's really making the money. a lot of these kids are doing it just for survival. i think it would be a good idea to come off of this task force so we're not criminalizing

them. some of them are doing it because they don't see any other opportunity. we need new ideas, you know, to help bring this solution to a close, you know? and we also need a way to diverse the interests of these kids so that they don't think that drug dealing is the only way to go, you know? maybe more education or where to find more hobbies or common interests or something, just something, you know? because these kits -- kids are our future. that's all. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> my name is fione o'shea.

i'm a resident of 9th street. i.v. drug users that come down to the alleys after they purchase, if they're not in their cars because people do come in their cars to purchase in my neighborhood, too. most of the drug dealers in my neighborhood come on b.a.r.t. [please stand by].

>> -- that their police department is interested in increasing that foot patrol, maintaining what they installed on the streets. i think there's a lot of people we see every day in the

neighborhood, and whether it's street sweepers, the neighbors that live in the building or the neighbors that live a block away from us, one of the things we'd like to see on our blocks are guys and girls in uniform. >> thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> hi. my name's john hui. s.f. native, born and lived here all my life. we've heard the stories of other people. mine is nothing special, but i want to share it any way. growing up, i experienced things that people of color experienced. when my mother and i would go to chinatown on the weekends, she was harassed by this female police officer. because she didn't speak english, she didn't know what to do. my god father told us about

issues he had to deal with growing up just because he's black. i was allowed to graduate from s.f. state with a criminal biology degree, but i wanted to get a degree in criminal justice. i'm back to school, trying to finish that up. i have a cousin that, you know, i've known him since he was two years old, since he moved here. great child, bubbly. he moved out to the tenderloin, and growing up, he's just been distant. he got to hanging around the wrong people. he doesn't listen to anyone. it's heartbreaking to see these things. i, yeah, just wants to put that out there and share that. thanks. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> hi. my name is michael nolte.

i want to thank you for having this hearing but i also want to thank you for having the hearing yesterday on the same thing, particularly, having a hearing on the assets and what does the city pay for? i think if a lot of these people could understand what is being paid for and not being paid for and how to improve it, that's part of the issue we need to address. business owners in the area are concerned about property damage. they're also concerned about -- as a resident, i'm concerned about how to keep the items in the stores that's affordable. when that damage gets passed along to the consumer. i'm also a moderator of many message boards in the neighborhood. obviously, the elected

officials are not necessarily moderating -- monitoring what's going on on those message board. they'd see the complications we have and maybe would do a -- find some solution just by what's being posted on the message boards. also, those who have been arrested in the past, there needs to be some skills be offered them so they don't recause problems. i think that's a major problem in being rehabilitated so they can move on with their lives. in the past, we've had in san francisco, the guardian angels, and the guardian angels, they made a difference and can maybe do something that can fill in some of the gaps. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you.

next speaker. >> officer krupke. is it a problem of excessive crimes? is it a problem of excessive crime control? the problem is both. so let's have another committee. we'll fill it with the staffers of all the n.g.o.s. it -- it occurred to me that this district, this neighborhood is -- because of the redistricting and the nature of redistricting, it's being threatened to being put into three separate districts. and also under jane kim, under her leadership, tens of thousands of people in the tenderloin line in district three, outside this district. this is what has allowed this

community to come this far, which is pretty amazing. don't you dare, don't you dare put someone on that redistricting commission that has not served on a single government board like what happened last time. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> i just wanted to say -- -- to hiv and then more recently, things like mrsa and other antibiotic resistant diseases. we fight these things with the drugs that are sold out there. people don't talk about that there. part of what kept that down

there is opium, and what it does to the immune system. for people to shutdown that open air market which makes or streets safer for something we have to have as a consistent issue in manhattan, that's a scary thing. it's just something to be aware of. thank you. >> okay. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is wendy, and these are some of my thoughts. you can't solve open air drug dealing without reducing demand. reducing demands means treatment for substance use and mental health issues. but please consider this. the city spends $7 million per training class of the police department of about 50 people

with an average of 35 that comes out of each graduating class. they come out, and they make $93,000 a year. no student loan debt, okay? first, is training for those of us in the helping profession, whether it's social workers and the like. people who work in these professions, they take training on their own, come out with lots of student loan debt, and they make about 40 to $45,000 a year. just food for thought. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. are there any other members of the public who would like to speak on this item before i

close public comment? public comment is now closed. [gavel]. >> supervisor mandelman: supervisor haney? >> supervisor haney: well, first of all, thank you, chair mandelman. you're going to think twice before you're going to -- let me see your agenda before i bring items to your committee again, but i hope it was a worthwhile experience. this obviously is something that really, you know, most directly impacts the neighborhood that i represent but it's important to our entire city and to all of our residents. supervisor mandelman has put forward actually a task force that relates specifically to meth. as i heard all the calls for creating a task force around this issue, i think it would be great to talk to you about what you've learned already from that process and what it would look like. so i just want to thank you and

supervisor stefani and supervisor walton for letting us be a part of it. i want to thank everybody who's still here. i think it shows how committed we are to finding solutions around this. i really want to apologize, and i hope you'll extend apologies to folks who wanted to share but who couldn't stay. there are people working on safe passage every day. i just want to say i appreciate them. this was a department heavy hearing, but i think it was an important thing for us to do. it really showed us what is happening, it showed us ways we can take as we pursue paths forward as a committeunity. i'm committed to having further

conversations in the community about what those next steps will be, and we can have further conversation with a lot more opportunity for more comment out in our district. that'll be the next step. i also want to say i am incredibly impressed by comments of the members of the community today. it was also really hopeful to me that there was such unanimous and strong support of a task force. to be clear, that's not what i was calling this hearing to do, and i think it's all that much more powerful that there's a mandate to do that because the community came and said this is what we want. that did not come from me, that came from the district. i am a resident of the tenderloin, i live on hyde street. i think if there's a community that can come up with the solutions and do this the right

way and deal with the complexities and have empathy and understand all sides of it, it's our community in district six, not just in the tenderloin but in midmarket and soma, as well, and throughout our district. so there will be next steps. i learned a lot. i have a lot to process, as we all do, but this is not the end of it, this is -- we are going to continue this with urgency. the intention is not to refer it to some committee and you don't hear anything for a couple years. we're going to have to think about what we want that task force to do, what the timeline will be, and what the immediate short-term changes and prosecute priorities ne priorities need to be right now. we have budget changes coming up, so i need to know what to move forward for for some long-term changes. thank you, supervisors, and to everyone who came out. sorry for the length of this,

but more than anything, thank you for your commitment. i also want to let you know, a number of the departments did stay for the entire piece. oewd, the captain, the district attorney's office. so we appreciate that, as well -- our b.l.a., as well. thank you all for being here, and next steps coming very soon. appreciate it. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, supervisor haney. this was a very long hearing. i think it's longer than you anticipated. it's longer than i anticipated. i know that i and some other colleagues had to rearrange some previous engagements. i guess for supervisor walton and stefani, i pledge to do a better job in the future of figuring out how long things are going to be taking and limiting our staff presenters to a shorter period of time.

i was thinking somewhere around hour two that if there's any neighborhood that is deserve of a little extra attention at city hall, it's -- you know, it's probably the tenderloin, and so i do think this was four hours well spent. i also think that as you say, the issues that came up here touch on larger issues that affect our criminal justice response, our response to substance use, our response to issues that are not neighborhood specific but do go across the city. given the interest of the board and the mayor and all of san francisco and more effectively tackling these problems, i think it was also a useful hearing in that regard. as you say, there are a lot of task forces and efforts going on, the meth treatment folks are working. i thought it might make some sense to have some sort of blue ribbon around mental health and

substance abuse, but there's some critical call for attention on the tenderloin. any way, i won't go on too terribly much longer, except to say that supervisor haney, you're okay with having this heard and filed -- you have two options. you can have this continued to the call of the chair, in which case, it would sit in this committee. if you wanted a further hearing, you could just pull it. i think i would prefer to have it heard and filed. >> supervisor haney: you don't want to do this again? yeah. heard and file. if we move forward in the task force, it would be the introduction of a task force. you can close and file this e one. >> supervisor mandelman: excellent. so i will have this heard and filed with no objection. mr. clerk, are there any more items before us today?

>> clerk: that completes the agenda for us today. >> supervisor mandelman: mr. clerk, thank you so much for your patience and help today, and with that, we are adjourned. it.

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