manages know which ones are best set up for the work that a rest bit center would need to do. we're trying to move as fast as possible, we are trying to get a handses -- handle on what the best next step would be. thank you to everyone that contributed. there is a list that emerged of buildings that are ready today to serve, if activated with the proper protocols for cooling and/or cleaner air. so you'll see that. while i'm here, the cleaner air, and in this column. sorry, my kid had some doctor issues this morning so i'm on call. the list for cleaner air, ready facility is smaller than the cooling set. we know that we have work to do

to build this list regardless. you can see that there is some distribution across. several of our libraries are well set up and we have cultural centers in here, where they recently had their cooling system upgraded and has a strong filtration system, so that's relatively new addition to this set. there is also some things that don't appear in this table that are important to consider as we figure out how we're going to activate in the future. we know for example that our public pools can be an important part of our cooling response, not well suited for cleaner air, the ventilation piece is not there. in terms of cooling body temperature, quickly, those can be valuable resources. our museums and some of our performance spaces do have good cooling. we have to figure out the operational piece of all this

and so, we want to make sure that we're proceeding in alignment with all the emergency response planning that needs to happen. we also ask those same subject matter experts to identify those buildings that might make good sense for near term investments which the building is oriented and with the systems today, to make it relatively seize sit -- easy to install systems like portable air conditioners and air scrubbers. this is not a complete list. we know we have more work to do to identify those building that have the kind of cultural competencies we need so people can use them if we need them. we plan to continue that work in the month ahead. in the meantime, some candidates. next steps, so this has been folded into the more general

memo about this executive directive overall, but we know that we need to define restbit centers, the level of service that we want to have as a city and the operational requirements there, confirm this short list we want to incorporate, which we want to incorporate into our actual response plan, and make sure the desired level of service that we are recommending is equitable and our office will be thinking about that over the summer conducting a more detailed assessment of public facilities for future investments, like to install air conditioning in all of our major recreational and cultural centers. if we want that response, it would be a multimillion-dollar effort and we need to think smart because resources in the city are needed for lots of different things. this most importantly incorporates these facilities into the plans for emergency

response to heat and smoke. we are looking at a one time procurement of the kind of portable system that will make -- it will be a quick activation and expansion of the network here. building a communications plan, this will be a d.e.m. and d.e.h. co effort. training our key stakeholders on air quality and heat protocols, once finalized, and last considering addressing the service with private facilities, and we'll hear how important the activations we're able to achieve through the neighborhood empowerment network and all our community partners. government will not be able to provide emergency response alone, right? and any kind of major disaster, our communities will be part of the first response team and so, we need to figure out how we can best support them so the expectation is not entirely on us, and also the response can be

distributed to those who need it. finally, the planning for especially vulnerable populations, i haven't discussed the school facilities, as you know, are not in the per -- privy, and we need to have detailed conversations with the school districts to make sure we're supporting them in whatever way we can and likewise for the unsheltered, who do not have easy access to indoor air in a smoke event, we want to make sure they are, you know, addressed specifically in our response plans. with that, i will -- >> thank you. >> thanks francis. just a couple comments, thank you so much heather for your work. i want to acknowledge public

health's efforts over the many months last year for completing the air quality annex and they presented last time we went in march. you know, just to go over the key areas, which again are to develop strategies to reach the most vulnerable populations around air quality exposure is to avoid exposure and to stay indoors. finally, that heat protocols will take precedence over air quality should we have a combined event of heat and air quality which is totally within the realm of possibility. and there are a couple things about mutual aid, which is one of the directives from the mayor. d.m. has come pine-- compiled a roster that's needed for future mutually deployments and in addition, identify all the training and courses that are required to continue to grow that roster. we are working and we'll continue to work with city

departments to support you in that. right now i want to ask francis to step forward. francis has really been such a leader regionally. i want to thank you for your work and we'll hear what he's been up to the last 9 months or so. >> good morning and thank you dr. carol. >> i'm sorry, before you start francis, why don't we give the council an opportunity to ask heather any questions or comments. >> just a question for heather and comment for d.e.m. on our heat response issues before we move on. heather, we should probably make sure that presidio's inventory, and that relates to a coordination point which is on hot weather events. people will go to the coast. >> yeah. >> and we had a drowning at chrissy field during one of the heat events and i think as a city, in partnership with the

national park service and the presidio, we need to decide on messaging and make sure the coast and beaches are safe because that is where people will go. so, it might involve also a little bit of human resources and making sure we have ocean trained staff available at some of our beaches or decide that we're not going to do that at all, and then our messaging needs to be crystal clear. we're senting people to the pools, get in the water when it's hot, we need to make sure our beaches and coastlines are safe. >> correct, thank you phil. >> and thank you to rec park to acting quickly and opening the pools. i understand they were quite full and there are life guards there and we don't have the same situation on our coastal waters. i'm a surfer, and i know very well, they're not for swimming, really, for the vast majority of people. thanks for your comments.

>> okay, good morning, my name is francis, i'm the director of external affairs. i am very excited today to present an update on the regional messaging component of our executive directive. what you have before you today, and this is document involves a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, is a revision, a revised draft of the bay area regional air quality messaging tool kit. we ensure that cities and counties have clear and consisting messaging when it relates to air quality emergencies. the last thing we want is for our different counties and cities saying different things on how to stay safe, where to go during these air quality events and unfortunately that's what happened over the past two years. this effort was really a lot of

work to try to gain consensus throughout the region on what the appropriate public information and protective health measures are. so i'm going to talk about how we got there. so first of all, this executive directive came in december, but we started doing some research and information gathering in february and through april. so we distributed surveys throughout the region to public information officers, to community based organizations, to elected officials to get their input on what they saw during the air quality events, the type of information they saw, what was put out, what they would like to see, what would be helpful for them. we also got a lot of great information from subject matter experts in this area. so the association of bay area health officers, and i want to do a big shout-out to drdr. jan here who helped facilitate and

get consensus on what the appropriate health measures are for air quality events. so we got a lot of input there. during that time, we developed a draft tool kit, which was reviewed by regional partners and one important thing here is that we put it to the test. in may, there was a regional -- okay, i'm going to take a pause here. we have the mayor and she's going to do some commendations for people that did a lot of good work. >> welcome mayor breed, thank you for joining us. we're going to stop for a second as francis said and return to item number 3, which is our special come dags -- commendations. we've been talking about vulnerable populations since we started this conversation and

this meeting and honestly, we cannot do it without our community partners. i'm so honored to have you here. i'm going to turn it over to mayor breed. >> thank you mary ellen and everyone for being here today. i remember the year before last when we had one of the first heat waves, one that we knew was coming, but didn't really understand how significant it would be because it wasn't something that we as a city was use to. we love san francisco because we love the cold weather, probably. we all know that climate change is real and there are a number of issues that are impacting our environment and that includes challenges with wildfires, the issues around, you know, unanticipated increases in temperatures, which has really put us in a different situation. i remember when i was on the

board of supervisorsers -- supervisors, we had hearings to talk about, where did we go wrong to respond and address the issues to support our residents, but in particular, our very vulnerable communities, especially our seniors. at that time, so many of the departments came together to talk about ways to work with our community-based organizations to improve our response to addressing any type of challenge, whether it's changes in air quality or changes to our temperatures, or what have you, we wanted to be prepared for any situation and you all answered the call. i know i put out an executive directive last year when the wildfires hit and there were challenges with temperatures, and you know, without hesitation, so many of these incredible non-profit organizations and city college and interfaith council, and others, just really stepped up to the plate and made either

facilities available, provided bilingual notifications to communities, did wellness checks and the things we needed to do to make sure there's no loss of life during this process and we checked in on our most vulnerable citizens throughout san francisco. in my mind, i knew i wanted to see this happen and you all made it a reality. so today, it's really about the organization who stepped up and went beyond the call of duty to ensure the safety of so many residents in san francisco. just a quick example, i remember at that press conference, the year before last, one of the things i mentioned was meals on wheels or in-home support services, and those individuals who have direct interactions with some of our seniors on a regular bass -- basis, we need to put in place the kinds of

systems to ensure as they're delivering those meals, checking in on those individuals, we need to say these people are okay or they need some additional assistance in some capacity. in addition to that, one of the other things that was talked about the rec and parks facility, opening our libraries and museums, where we know there was an air conditioner, because i know -- i'm sure you all had the same experience in your own personal apartments or homes, no air conditioner exists in san francisco almost in any home and fans were sold out all over the place. at the end of the day, we need to make sure that our public facilities which actually have air conditioner is available to the public during extended hours and so many of our departments went above and beyond to make sure that the places we have in our city were available to

people and so, we have improved what we provide in terms of outreach and support to the residents of san francisco. we have made, you know, things a lot better, things are truly organized and it's really about the relationship between the city department, the non-profit agencies, the community, and all of us coming together to really rise to the occasion when a disaster hits of any kind. so i know that this is what this council is about, addressing those concerns and getting prepared for things we know are going to come. an earthquake is not a matter of the, it's -- if, it's a matter of when. we live in earthquake territory so we need to prepare for that. we have some other things we need to better prepare for in the future and this is just the start.

i want to say thank you to all the agencies and organizations and people that really went above and beyond the call of duty to ensure the safety and well-being of so many san francisc franciscans. that's why today i want to take a moment to really honor you. sometimes i think we don't realize, we go on about our lives, we're working hard and everyone is focused on their jobs, but sometimes we need to stop and pause and recognize the significance of what has been accomplished because of the work of so many incredible organizations. that's what today is about and with that, i'm going to turn it over to mary ellen to name the different organizations and their roles. we'll do photos and clap and

then we're going to get back to work on the very important ensuring that san francisco remains prepare for anything that comes our way and thank you so much for playing an important role in doing just that. so mary ellen. >> thank you. [applause] >> okay, thank you so much. i'm going to call out the organizations and their representatives please come up and get your certificate. so we have bay view senior services, hunters point adult day health center. [applause] >> thank you. >> college of san francisco, chancellor mark.

[applause] >> home bridge, mark burns. [applause] >> i.t. bookman activity center. [applause] >> intelride, jonathan chang. [applause]

>> san francisco interfate council. [applause] >> rebuilding together san francisco, karen. [applause] >> senior center.

[applause] >> sf marin, andy burns. [applause] >> self help for the elderly. [applause] >> sfo, meredith. [applause]

>> the united council of human services, westbrook. [applause] >> and i believe that's everyone. oh, is there more? >> meals on wheels. >> oh, sorry. >> meals on wheels who did an incredible job for us. [applause]

>> thank you so much. >> and finally san francisco in-home support services public authority, please come up. [applause] >> thank you so much. >> okay, group applause for everyone, thank you so much. >> group photo. >> okay, we're going to do one group photo, so if everyone can come up, we'll return to business.

>> all right, we got everybody? >> look at the telephone. one, two, three. okay. [laughter] >> great. >> thank you. [applause]

>> all right, so all the fun is over with, time to get back to work. again, i want to thank all of you for everything you are all doing to keep us safe. it means a lot and congratulations to all the great organizations for the work you have already done and the work you will continue to do when we need you. thanks so much for being here today. thanks everybody. [applause] >> okay victor. sorry, francis, you're in, you're on, go. >> okay, so talking about the public information tool kit. it was also important to get regional buy-in and regional review. i wanted to talk about regional partners that helped develop

this tool kit, as well as reviewed it. we had the air quality management district, the association of bay area health officers, the regional management and prevention association, the regional joint information center, the officers from throughout the bay area, the county of alameda office of sustainability, and our urban area security initiative participated in this as well. now you can't develop a tool kit and think it's going to work during an emergency if you don't test it. so we were fortunate to have the opportunity to test it at the california region two multi-agency table top that focused exclusively on air equal. there were health officers, city officials, public information officers that were responding to a simulated air quality emergency and they utilized this tool kit to help push out public messaging. now it helped us gain a lot of

valuable insight on the usability of the tool kit and the messaging we had. now, i did talk about this already. now, how is this tool kit organized? how will this be useful for people? so part one includes some of our core messages, some of the messaging principles, and templates for use during air quality emergencies. so they can be f.a.q.s, fact sheets, short messages, long messages, press releases, it can be used by any jurisdiction within the bay area, and they are, you know, organized by audience, so we can have messages for school, we can have messages for people doing special events, we have messages from employee to employer, or employer to employee, these are all critical things our survey was asking for. part two is also very important.

for all purposes, it's a best practices guide for communicating with the whole community, so people that are hard to reach, our most vulnerable, how are we reaching out to them and making sure that people that aren't necessarily connected through the traditional media, through social media, electronically, how are we reaching them and really going that last mile? so what's next? so, from today to july 22nd, we're going to have an open review period throughout the region where people will comment on the tool kit and provide further feedback. any feedback received by july 22nd will be part of the final draft. the final draft will be available in early august and posted to the website. what i want to say about the final draft is we're already starting to see some input about usability of it, so we're going to streamline it a little bit

more to make it more useful during emergencies. the other important thing is this tool kit will be translated in the threshold languages in the bay area. we have accessibility information for the entire population. finally, we want to make sure people know how to use it. we're going to have webinars throughout the region, talking to public information officers and municipal officials about where this tool kit is, how you can use it during the next air quality emergency. with that said, are there any questions? thank you. >> thank you. [applause] >> do we have any public comment on this item? okay. so, we will move on to item number 6, which is the report on the city and county's planning efforts related to public safety

power shutout program. before we jump into this, i was remiss in not acknowledging an important person, an important event here. we have a new fire chief, jeanine nicholson. this is her first disaster council as chief, so it's worthy of note. i want to welcome you and say how happy i am to work with you sister and have you by my side in our efforts here in the city. please say a few words and introduce yourself if you would like. [applause] >> thanks everyone. so it's great to be here. i want to introduce some of my command staff that's here. victor is here. [applause]

>> deputy chief of administration, jose is here. [applause] >> and the guy really charge in the diaster, the assistant chief of homeland security. [applause] >> thank you so much. so the north bay fires of 2017 and 2018 caused unprecedented damage and significant loss of life as we're all well aware. in response to this tragedy, they have instituted and been approved by the c.p.c. to move forward with the public safety power shutoff program where they made power transmission lines during certain climate conditions and weather conditions to decrease the ability of fires starting. as noted, the c.p.c. approved this adoption of the guidelines for this as a preventive measure against imminent and significant

fire risk. san francisco is consider add tier 1, which is the lowest risk for fire, but the transmission lines run through the east bay hills and up the peninsula. those both are tier 2 and tier 3, which are higher risk areas. turning off either side transmission lines, either south or east could lead to blackout conditions in san francisco. this loss of power outage could be 24 hours and potentially longer. d.m. and other agencies have been taking steps to manage for the consequences of these potential power outages. last week, we had over 120 participants from city departments that came together at bill graham, to really sit

down and work through preparedness and coordination, looking at impacts of these. i'm going the turn this over now to our acting deputy director for emergency services and he will continue to talk to you a little bit about what we've been working on. >> thank you director carol. when we brought everyone together we had three primary objectives. we wanted to gather information on what the potential impact of this may look like and we wanted to make sure we were sharing information among departments so they knew what the consequences might be and what steps they would need to talk and that third piece was form a future preparedness activity for what the city could do. what we're going to do is show you a quick video of what actually took place last thursday and ill -- i'll talk to you about some of our learnings and what some of the next steps are. >> we are here today, we have

almost every city and county of san francisco department represented to prepare for the possibility of power shut downs, complete loss of electric power to san francisco, as a result of the public safety power shut off program. this program is intended to mitigate the affect of wildfires. san francisco is not so much at risk of those fires, but due to the configuration of the electric grid should they do a transmission shut off on east bay or the peninsula, san francisco can be affected. we have all the major public safety departments, and the health department, and all our infrastructure departments, the p.u.c. and public safety, and our support departments. the power outage will affect everyone and our ability to perform city services, so it was

important to have all the representatives from across city programs here today. >> we in d.p.h. are working very closely with the rest of the city to help people prepare. for us in d.p.h., we really want people to make a plan, and especially make a plan with the people they care about. it's time to reach out to your neighbors, to think about your best circle of people. in a disaster, it's trust that saves live and that's why in d.p.h., we're working with all of our partners as fast as we can to put together a network to respond in a diaster. >> we're having really productive conversations around the table here today. i think one of the most fruitful results is our expanded understanding of the inner dependencies of different departments and infrastructures, for example, communications will

be disrupted so how do we coordinate when we don't have our normal mode of communication, fuel, transportation, traffic lights will be out, it will be difficult to get around town. we have a lot of follow up after this meeting and lot more work to do, but this is a great first step for san francisco. [applause] >> thank you to sfgov tv for helping us pull together that brief. for mary ellen, a lot of stuff is going to happen and we need to know more about it. some of the key takeaways is the significant impact to public safety and our health system. we're so dependent on power now. two of the big agencies that will be impacted, the routine forms of communication, these devices calling our public cell towers, on data systems, they're all going to be impacted.

we also heard about challenges traveling. people don't respect that four way stop when the lights go out. it will be challenging to get around the city. we're also going to have other disruptions because of child care centers. they may not be able to function. having our own staff come to work, that will be a challenge. there will be some extended operational periods. we're not asking people to come in to work 8 hours, but we may have to expand that. when we don't have power, one of the other things we will rely on is fuel. fuel for our vehicles and generators. mary ellen mentioned that we're not going to be the only ones facing this. if our power is out, other people's power is out as well. this will be a bay area concern and one we need to make sure we need to get ahead of. also, this is one of the learning elements. power outages will require a time for recovery. just because the lights and the power comes back on, it doesn't mean that everything will be

fine. we need to make sure if there are individuals that may have been specifically impacted, we need to reach out to them. if there are data systems that are impacted by an automatic shutoff, then those are brought up properly. things won't go back to normal immediately. we looked at what's next, our people, processes we need to have and technology. for people in particular, it's working and making sure we're extending out to our private sector partners, vendors, an contractors. what are their plans? how are we going to coordinate with c.b.o.s and other groups to make sure neighbors are helping neighbors and they're checking on one another during and after the event and cross train staff. if transportation isn't working, are there other staff members that may be able to provide some of the front line services, which goes along with departments identifying those essential business functions they have, what are the continuity of the plans they

have. that's part of the process, identifying the plans, identifying functions that can be done remotely. maybe not all the bay area is out. can someone be at home use their personal devices and access systems and process things? also, should we need to, going back to paper forms. we heard there was a cyber attack in baltimore, they went back to paper form to process things. on the technology and equipment side, we have a lot of fuel in the city, how do we get what's in the ground, out of the ground, looking at ways we can use that resource while we're getting additional sources brought in. also, talking to capital planning about why are some investments we can make now, perhaps for solar and storage, so we have some other back ups available and also integrating, if we need to, the replacement of electronics if things go down. those are some of the initial things we identified from this

exercise, but this isn't the only workshop we're going to do. some of the follow up steps will be in the middle of july, we're going to meet with our private sector and c.b.o.s from what we heard from p.g. & e. and how we're going to work together. the frequency of these e.m.s.s may come up. something that director carol mentioned before, often these types of events doesn't happen in isolation, but when it's hot or when there's an air quality event. we heard of all these things we're doing. if we have this unfortunate trifecta, this will put a lot of train -- strain on our resources. these are some of the steps we are taking to make sure that we as a city family can all work together. director. >> thank you, does anyone have any questions or comment? i want to thank everyone who participated. i believe it was a good use of

time. i'm very cognisant of using all the city salaried people into the room and not wasting our time, but we do have some good follow-up and we will be meeting with our private sector partners in a couple weeks, and however, we have to be ready to flex at any time. we already had our first heat wave and pg & e did implement their plan. we are affected if the conditions are closer to the peninsula on the east bay, which is why we have to be prepared for the trifecta effectiveness. so i want to thank everyone for coming together. one of the -- i'm trying to find a silver lining in all of this and one of them, i've been talking about this a lot and feeling like i'm bumming everyone out all the time, but one of the great things about this, and that we will

accomplish over this summer is increased preparedness. the data shows when there is an actual event or a truly perceived threat that people take action. so, i think that the call to action for everybody in this room and anyone watching this is a call to action to do something, get your plan together, reach out to your neighbor, think through your mind what would happen if you did not have electric power for one, two, and three days, and take some steps now if you are able to prepare yourself. this will be the most important thing that we can do. frankly, the conditions that we'll experience after an event like this are similar and would be worse after an earthquake, so if nothing else happens, my hope is carl the fog stays around all summer. we spend a lot of time getting ready and we're just that much further along when the rain comes again. so thank you. i want to open it up to public comment, if there is any on this

item. okay, seeing none, oh, i'm sorry. please. >> sorry, can you use the microphone? >> thank you, my name is nick mccoy. so i just wanted to make sure you don't under state the value of the staff, the people that you work with, or the folks that have actually served as the support and done the research, made the calls, put up with the late hours and also put up with people that don't have the same level of knowledge as you may have in your careers, or in your time that you spent on the subject, or you spent in the city. like none of the ideas, none of the theories would be worth anything without your structural help and processes to put that in place. so that's part of like the integration of what you're talking about in the interagency work. i think working with state

partners as well, and other international organizations who may have some sort of the resources or the stake in seeing how we deal with our upcoming challenges or the things that we already face. i think that opens up new revenue streams as well. it also produces an opportunity for us to grow, i think scientifically, as well as just the hypothesis of what could happen. you guys, all of the presentati presentations were sound and like, the information was great. i just wonder if like, the worse case scenario, what is it like if we don't succeed? what will those numbers look like? are we prepared to have that sort of conversation prior to, with the community at large. also dealing what is the heart of escape, if we have to vacate a particular part of the city or

have to change our strategy in regards to whether or not we go up, down, out, and then like even the scale of like equipment that could possibly be used or need to be used. where would we store that? you know, that light production, i think there are entities out there that are interested in building cities for their own corporate purposes, so they can build the perfect city. you guys already did that. for hundreds of years, like the work has already been put piece by piece in the place. anyway, thank you i just look forward to participating in the conversation. >> thank you. do we have any other public comments? okay, seeing none, we'll move on to number 7, the disaster council member round table. if anyone around the table have a diaster announcement.

michael. >> sure, the san francisco interfaith council in collaboration with major faith institutions have been posting vigils following terrorist attacks on houses of worship. the mayor has been faithfully attending and offering comfort at each of those vigils and she said that people should feel safe when they go to worship. as a result of that, we're responding and taking action. we assembled a steering committee consisting of the f.b.i., san francisco police department, the sheriff's office, the antidefamation lead, muslim community center, the san francisco human rights commission, the jewish federation, the department of emergency management, the department of public health, the archdiocese, and the san francisco foundation.

it's an incredible group of folks and what we're looking to do in early september, we're going to have a workshop for congregation leaders to provide them with the resource us that they need to keep their houses of worship safe and in the event that something should happen locally here, we taken that initiative. >> thank you michael. that's so incredibly important and thank you for your leadership on that. is there anyone else? yeah. >> about two weeks ago, i got notice from our chief medical examiner that he will be moving on to another county, so today is his last day in the office and as of today, we're going to start a national recruitment. in the interim, we'll have acting chief medical examiner be dr. amy hart and the assistant acting chief medical examiner erin moffett.

we'll keep you updated. >> thank you. anyone else? any general public comment we haven't already heard? then we will adjourn the meeting, thank you all for being here. [applause] [♪] >> hi. welcome to san francisco. stay safe and exploring how you can stay in your home safely after an earthquake. let's look at

common earthquake myths. >> we are here at the urban center on mission street in san francisco. we have 3 guest today. we have david constructional engineer and bill harvey. i want to talk about urban myths. what do you think about earthquakes, can you tell if they are coming in advance? >> he's sleeping during those earthquakes? >> have you noticed him take any special? >> no. he sleeps right through them. there is no truth that i'm aware of with harvey that dogs are aware of an impending earthquake. >> you hear the myth all the time. suppose the dog helps you get up, is it going to help you do something >> i hear they are aware of

small vibrations. but yes, i read extensively that dogs cannot realize earthquakes. >> today is a spectacular day in san francisco and sometimes people would say this is earthquake weather. is this earthquake weather? >> no. not that i have heard of. no such thing. >> there is no such thing. >> we are talking about the weather in a daily or weekly cycle. there is no relationship. i have heard it's hot or cold weather or rain. i'm not sure which is the myth. >> how about time of day? >> yes. it happens when it's least convenient. when it happens people say we were

lucky and when they don't. it's terrible timing. it's never a good time for an earthquake. >> but we are going to have one. >> how about the ground swallowing people into the ground? >> like the earth that collapsed? it's not like the tv shows. >> the earth does move and it bumps up and you get a ground fracture but it's not something that opens up and sucks you up into haddes. >> it's not going anywhere. we are going to have a lot of

damage, but this myth that california is going to the ocean is not real. >> southern california is moving north. it's coming up from the south to the north. >> you would have to invest the million year cycle, not weeks or years. maybe millions of years from now, part of los angeles will be in the bay area. >> for better or worse. >> yes. >> this is a tough question. >> those other ones weren't tough. >> this is a really easy challenge. are the smaller ones less stress? >> yes. the amount released in small earthquakes is that they are so small in you need many of those. >> i think would you probably have to have maybe hundreds of

magnitude earthquakes of 4.7. >> so small earthquakes are not making our lives better in the future? >> not anyway that you can count on. >> i have heard that buildings in san francisco are on rollers and isolated? >> it's not true. it's a conventional foundation like almost all the circumstances buildings in san francisco. >> the trans-america was built way before. it's a pretty conventional foundation design. >> i have heard about this thing called the triangle of life and up you are supposed to go to the edge of your bed to save yourself. is there anything of value to that ?

>> yes, if you are in your room. you should drop, cover and hold onto something. if you are in school, same thing, kitchen same thing. if you happen to be in your bed, and you rollover your bed, it's not a bad place to be. >> the reality is when we have a major earthquake the ground shaking so pronounced that you are not going to be able to get up and go anywhere. you are pretty much staying where you are when that earthquake hits. you are not going to be able to stand up and run with gravity. >> you want to get under the door frame but you are not moving to great distances. >> where can i buy a richter scale? >> mr. richter is selling it. we are going to put a plug in for cold hardware. they are not

available. it's a rather complex. >> in fact we don't even use the richter scale anymore. we use a moment magnitude. the richter scale was early technology. >> probably a myth that i hear most often is my building is just fine in the loma prieta earthquake so everything is fine. is that true ? >> loma prieta was different. the ground acceleration here was quite moderate and the duration was moderate. so anyone that believes they survived a big earthquake and their building has been tested is sadly mistaken. >> we are planning for the bigger earthquake closer to san francisco and a fault totally independent.

>> much stronger than the loma prieta earthquake. >> so people who were here in '89 they should say 3 times as strong and twice as long and that will give them more of an occasion of the earthquake we would have. 10 percent isn't really the threshold of damage. when you triple it you cross that line. it's much more damage in earthquake. >> i want to thank you, harvey, thanks pat for

>> president yee: good morning. we have a special treat for you guys today. this -- i'm going to welcome you not to the budget committee, but the budget committee will just follow this special meeting very shortly, so i want to say that welcome to the june 20, 2019 special