commissioner moore? morei >> i see a constriction in your drawings. a-103 is being labelled as only accessible to the upper units, however, your other drawings shows it accessible to the rest. >> it's only for the top unit. the design was to keep the number of penthouses down. there is a fire department requirement on a four-story building with a roof deck, all of the units to have at least one penthouse for the fire department to get out there, but there's a -- there's also a requirement for any because we're above the fourth level to have two means of egress. but one of the means of egress if it's a private deck can be the retractable hatch, and that's how the design was

arrived at. the design was the entire ground unit has the rear yard, and the top unit has the exclusive use of the top deck. if we did make it accessible to all units, i did talk to the fire department, you'd need both penthouses, and not a penthouse and a retractable hatch. i thought that was a combination of that. the middle unit, which is the smallest of the units, the way it was designed, has a nice size deck the way it was just talked about, and the bottom floor really has the exclusive use of the open level, and that they're all realistic open spaces for everybody. >> the comment i would make is

the space is generally, i like the design. i think it's a good idea. i would like to have seen more communal use of the back yard and not have such a massive roof deck on top. just to form, i think the transition from the small-scale residential that is still in this transitional area of geary boulevard makes it a very large building. i'm concerned that. i would prefer a six-story building or a building that does not add a roof deck of this size because you're tre trending towards luxury units. >> vice president koppel: commissioner richards? >> commissioner richards: i'm not a big fan of roof decks.

i've had friends that lived in top -- three full units from front to back, and they never used the roof deck. if you -- i'm open to reducing the overhaall height of the building as commissioner moor samoore said, but i'm just not open to the apartment sharing the yard. >> vice president koppel: commissioner fung? >> commissioner fung: i'm supportive of the unit as constituted. i think this area can support larger structures, the three units. the only suggestion is i probably am not going to suggest anything that deals with the separation between the

adjacent neighbor and this building on a on windows that are parallel to the property line. however, a small suggestion would be that a six-foot-high solid screen on that side of the deck so there is no visibility between the deck and his kitchen and bathroom. >> commissioner hillis: second. >> vice president koppel: commissioner richards? >> commissioner richards: can you make the screen translucent? >> yeah. i've been doing a ton of these, and we get the same comments. we call that opaque screen. you tell me, 6 or 7 feet high. >> commissioner fung: accept it as amended. i didn't know i made the motion. >> vice president koppel: we'll accept that. >> clerk: all right, commissioners, there is somewhat of a motion that's

been amended to include a 6-foot opaque screen for a privacy screen. >> commissioner hillis: that translucent or opaque? >> commissioner richards: opaque is fine. rich, rich, rich. [roll call] >> clerk: so moved, commissioners, that motion passes unanimously, 5-0. >> vice president koppel: meeting adjourned. [gavel]

>> manufacturing in cities creates this perfect platform for people to earn livelihoods and for people to create more economic prosperity. i'm kate sosa. i'm cofounder and ceo of sf made. sf made is a public private partnership in the city of san francisco to help manufacturers start, grow, and stay right here in san francisco. sf made really provides wraparound resources for manufacturers that sets us apart from other small business support organizations who provide more generalized

support. everything we do has really been developed over time by listening and thinking about what manufacturer needs grow. for example, it would be traditional things like helping them find capital, provide assistance loans, help to provide small business owners with education. we have had some great experience doing what you might call pop ups or temporary selling events, and maybe the most recent example was one that we did as part of sf made week in partnership with the city seas partnership with small business, creating a 100 company selling day right here at city hall, in partnership with mayor lee and the board of supervisors, and it was just a wonderful opportunity for many of our smaller manufacturers who may be one or two-person shop, and who don't have the

wherewithal to have their own dedicated retail store to show their products and it comes back to how do we help companies set more money into arthur businesses and develop more customers and their relationships, so that they can continue to grow and continue to stay here in san francisco. i'm amy kascel, and i'm the owner of amy kaschel san francisco. we started our line with wedding gowns, and about a year ago, we launched a ready to wear collection. san francisco's a great place to do business in terms of clientele. we have wonderful brides from all walks of life and doing really interesting things: architects, doctors, lawyers, teachers, artists, other like minded entrepreneurs, so really

fantastic women to work with. i think it's important for them to know where their clothes are made and how they're made. >> my name is jefferson mccarly, and i'm the general manager of the mission bicycle company. we sell bikes made here for people that ride here. essentially, we sell city bikes made for riding in urban environments. our core business really is to build bikes specifically for each individual. we care a lot about craftsmanship, we care a lot about quality, we care about good design, and people like that. when people come in, we spend a lot of time going to the design wall, and we can talk about handle bars, we can see the riding position, and we take notes all over the wall. it's a pretty fun shopping

experience. paragraph. >> for me as a designer, i love the control. i can see what's going on, talk to my cutter, my pattern maker, looking at the designs. going through the suing room, i'm looking at it, everyone on the team is kind of getting involved, is this what that drape look? is this what she's expecting, maybe if we've made a customization to a dress, which we can do because we're making everything here locally. over the last few years, we've been more technical. it's a great place to be, but you know, you have to concentrate and focus on where things are going and what the right decisions are as a small business owner. >> sometimes it's appropriate to bring in an expert to offer

suggestions and guidance in coaching and counseling, and other times, we just need to talk to each other. we need to talk to other manufacturers that are facing similar problems, other people that are in the trenches, just like us, so that i can share with them a solution that we came up with to manage our inventory, and they can share with me an idea that they had about how to overcome another problem. >> moving forward, where we see ourselves down the road, maybe five and ten years, is really looking at a business from a little bit more of a ready to wear perspective and making things that are really thoughtful and mindful, mindful of the end user, how they're going to use it, whether it's the end piece or a he hwedding gown, are they going to use it again, and incorporating that into the end collection, and so that's the direction i hear at

this point. >> the reason we are so enamored with the work we do is we really do see it as a platform for changing and making the city something that it has always been and making sure that we're sharing the opportunities that we've been blessed with economically and socially as possible, broadening that

>> everything is done in-house. i think it is done. i have always been passionate about gelato. every single slaver has its own recipe. we have our own -- we move on

from there. so you have every time a unique experience because that slaver is the flavored we want to make. union street is unique because of the neighbors and the location itself. the people that live around here i love to see when the street is full of people. it is a little bit of italy that is happening around you can walk around and enjoy shopping with gelato in your hand. this is the move we are happy to provide to the people. i always love union street because it's not like another commercial street where you have big chains. here you have the neighbors. there is a lot of stories and the neighborhoods are essential. people have -- they enjoy having their daily or weekly gelato. i love this street itself.

>> we created a move of an area where we will be visiting. we want to make sure that the area has the gelato that you like. what we give back as a shop owner is creating an ambient lifestyle. if you do it in your area and if you like it, then you can do it on the streets you like. >> good morning, everyone! how are you all? so, welcome. i'm with the hotel council and i want to welcome you all to our first love our city. it's the second love our city event but it's the first one that is a tourism and

hospitality industry have helped organize. so today we have over 700 people here in also waiting out in the neighborhood. [applause] i'm joined by our chair of our board, mr. james lamb who is here with us today. [applause] and this event is hosted by the hotel council of sf travel but it really came together because of a lot of different people working on the event and i want to thank mayor breed and the city of san francisco and her team for partnering with us on this love our city event. so please give a big hand to them! [applause] we also couldn't have done it without our partnership with the public works department and larry stringer and darlene prom, fromand i want to thank all of m fork working with us. raichal gordan as well. their team has been incredible to work with. we also have, you can see the signs out here today, i'm going

to call off and make sure we recognize the groups as well. each of our groups cbd. [applause] our tenderloin cbd. our fisherman warf cbe and our embarcadero and financial district group. and last but not least our soma groups. [applause] we know that you all clean up all you're long and daily around your hotels and businesses. and it really is a 24/7 job. we want to thank you for everything that you are doing. we also want to thank wreckology. they sponsored our t-shirts so thank you for working with us. [applause] >> a special thank you as we look out on the hyatt region see for sponsoring us with breakfast

as well. thank you very much. if that was designed to bring us to work together and partner with the city and our mayor has announced in the last, since she took office, an incredible amount of programs, new funding and new resources all to help clean this city and help make this city safer. so i want to thank the mayor from our hospitality and tourism industries for making sure she's doing everything that she is doing. let's give her a big round of applause. [applause] and last but not least our partners at sf travel who have come together to work with us on this event as well. it's my pleasure to introduce our mayor, london breed. >> thank you! good morning, everybody! now, i will troy to be short because i would love for you all to get out there and do what you came here to do and clean up san francisco! let me just start by saying thank you. we know that we have a lot of

challenges in san francisco. we have far too many people living on our streets. we have far too many challenges with housing and housing affordability. i know our small businesses are struggling. the city is finally making the kinds of investments that i hope will make a difference in your everyday lives as you work in this great city. i was born and raised here and i grew up in public housing. you know, my grandmother, when we were kids, she would make us go out and clean up. she would always say clean it up. ike like mama, why, would want to clean up. you know how kids are. we would should i look, it's our responsibility to keep our community clean. now here, take this bucket and put water and soap and clean up. you know, at the time as a kid you are like i don't want to do this but then, as you get older, it's just a part of who you are. i find myself doing it in my community, doing it where i used to work at the african american

culture complex and really feeling good about the investment that i've made and also the example that i've set for other young people to be better stewards of san francisco. so what you all are out there are doing is not just picking up trash and erasing graffiti and painting, you all are stewards for san francisco. you are taking care of the city. you all are showing how much you love san francisco and other people when they see you doing what you are doing, they're less likely to drop that trash on the ground and actually take it to the trash can. it does make a difference. so i want to thank all of you and all the community business districts and the people who are out there every single day. i especially want to thank the department of public works and the many thousands of employees because they are out on the streets everyday. downtown street teams and so many other folks trying to keep

san francisco clean, green and beautiful. i love our city. i know you all love this city. thank you for showing your love by taking care of san francisco today for this amazing event. have a wonderful time out there! >> thank you so much, mayor. i'd like to introduce from district 6 our supervisor matt haney who will be working with the groups as well. please help me welcome supervisor matt haney. >> thank you, thank you. how is everybody doing this morning! make some noise if you love our city! [applause] >> make noise if you are ready to pick up a broom and do some cleaning today! who would have thought we could call this a cold day in san francisco. we're glad the temperature came down a little bit but it's still a beautiful day to demonstrate to everyone in our city we care and we're going to do some cleaning up. i'm the supervisor of district 6

and i want to give a special shout out to the different communities and cbds of district 6. the tenderloin where i live, soma, union square, everyone who is here, we really appreciate how much you do everyday. i see folks here from the hotel. make some noise if you are representing the hotels in our city. this is a city that is still a world-class destination. people come here from all over the world. we want to make sure that when they come here, they understand that they're going to have an incredible experience and they're going to see clean and safe streets and they're going to see the people of san francisco care about our community. that's what you are demonstrating today. i want to thank mayor breed for the investments shows made in making our streets cleaner. if you look out there, there's things we can do. we need more trash cans on our streets, we need more bathrooms that are open for longer hours, and we need more street cleaning and deep cleaning and so what you are doing today is not just

demonstrating to your residents that you care, you are demonstrating to us, the city, that you care and we need to do more as well. let's get out there today. i'm going to be in the tenderloin and pick up a broom and i just want to say thank you all so much. have fun. let's love our city. [applause] >> thank you supervisor haney. next i'd like to introduce our partner from sf travel. we have the share and the board of sf travel with us, mr. peter gamez. [applause] >> wow! good morning, everyone. this is a great day for us. as many of you know i'm the board chair and this is one of the issues we've all rallied for all year. this is a special day for all of us. thank you everyone for coming out and joining the hospitality and tourism industry to love our city. together, here today, we are showing the strength of our

industry and the collective passion and commitment we share for san francisco. i want to thank firstly our awesome mayor breed, i'm also a native san francisco an and i completely relate to you how we took pride in all of our neighborhoods and the importance of cleaning our streets. your leadership and commitment for cleaning our streets and keeping us safe and we're very thankful. we're proud to partner with the department of public works. the total council of san francisco and many of our community partners to do tour part to keep san francisco clean, safe, and welcoming to all. together, we are a gene that gives back to the city we love and we can not be more excited to work side by side to make san francisco the most wonderful destination in the world. thank you.

>> last i'd like to introduce the director of public works and his team is a group we've been partnering with on this. [applause] all right! are we ready to go to work! all right! let me begin by joining all the speakers here to thank all of you for coming out to help keep our city clean. love our city everyday, right! everyday! the public works department and many city agencies do this everyday but i can tell you, your coming out means a lot to us. you are giving us the extra hands and the extra help that it needs to continue to make our city be the destination where people come and enjoy and people clean up and make our city the most beautiful city in the world, right. san francisco! i'll be really short. today we have over 45 different sites. some people are going to be painting poles, weeding, cleaning, some are going to be sweeping. all that is going to make a difference.

the number one thing that when you leave here is, when you are out there, please, be safe. safety is a high priority. we've been having these events for over 20 years and we have not had a single incident. how do you be safe? all of you in different work teams and every work team has got someone who will be wearing a vest like me who will be showing you what to do. if you see something that you are in doubt of whether it's glass or needle or something in your mind is doubtful, just ask that person and they will deal with it appropriately and they will work with you. other than that, enjoy yourselves. it's a nice day. again, i'm very appreciative for everyone coming up. let's have fun! love our city everyday! [applause] >> thank you. thank you, very much. before we close out, we're going to do a group picture. stay where you are. no one move.

just stay still for a minute and we'll take a group photo. .

>> good morning, and welcome to the san francisco planning commission and building inspection commission joint hearing for thursday, june 20th, 2019. i would like to remind members of the public that the commissioners do not tolerate any outbursts of any kind. please silence your mobile devices, and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. technically speaking, all of those persons standing who cannot find a seat are causing a fire hazard and can't remain in the room. we are setting up an overflow room. we're just trying to figure out where media services can accommodate us. i'd like to take roll for the planning commission. [roll call]

>> for the building inspection commission. [roll call] >> very good. commissioners, we have one item, item one for case 218-02728 for the controlled demolition merger conversion and alterations. this is an informational meeting. >> before you start, i wanted to go through for a couple of things of how this is going to go this morning. good morning and welcome to our commissioners. i missed many of you. so what we are going to try to do is have -- this is a very complicated piece of legislation, and folks have a lot of opinion about the different aspects of it.

we, the president mccarthy and i, want to give as much time to the public to opine. so with that being said, we only have a limited time. so what i'm going to ask first is that there is going to be times after each section that staff can pause and allow for commissioner questions. i beg my fellow commissioners to ask questions of clarification only. let's leave the comments to the end. so please keep your questions short and succinct, so we can allow everyone to ask questions for clarification, and allow as uch tim much time for public comment. after staff presentation, we will open it up for public comment. please fill out a speaker card. i will try to get through as many of those as possible. you will have two minutes to make your public comments known, and we will hopefully

get through everyone. we will leave 30 minutes at the end of the meeting for commissioner comments. hopefully all your questions will have been answered by then. and i will also, again, because there are so many of us, ask that we keep it short and succinct as well. i encourage you to write down your comments as we go so we can get through it expeditiously. do you have anything to add, president mccarthy? >> in, thank you, madam commissioner. with that, i think we can go straight to presentation. thank you. >> good morning, commissioners, audrey maloney, planning commission staff. before we give the planning presentation, supervisor peskin is here to speak. >> thank you. >> chairwoman: welcome, supervisor peskin. >> thank you, president

melgar. president mccarthy and commissioners, good morning. i will be very brief because i'm actually in the middle of a committee hearing downstairs, and let me thank you for vetting this piece of legislation. i think we all agree, and have agreed for many, many years, that there is a problem relative to definitions of demolition in the code relative to demolitions. we all know the numbers. the reality is, as we see in the housing balance report, for every two units of affordable housing that we build, we lose one, probably more than one, if we counted the numbers a little differently. it is not just about the high-profile things we've seen in the meeting, like 49 hopkins, and the willis polk house. it is a larger, systemic problem. i am not the first supervisor who has tried to fix this. it has been attempted by many people. my former colleague, jake,

teamed up, unlikely though it may have been, with alice barkley to solve this problem almost 20 years ago. but i think we all know that there is a problem. we all want to stop these types of demolitions. we have attempted in this legislation to incentafize it. whether it is higher densities that we're seeing throughout the city -- i will be the first to admit that perhaps i have bit off a little more than we can all chew here. but what i would like for you and the public and my somewhat dejected staff to do is to really figure out a way where two siloized departments, building and planning, can work better to stem the tide of the demolition of sound housing, which is the most affordable

housing that we have. if you have better ideas, we want to hear it. but there is a problem, and we can all come together to fix it, whether it is as simple as vastly increasing fines an andpenalties for bad behavior -- the vast majority play by the rules. but there are a handful of player who soil it for everybody. i know, mr. mccarthy, you don't condone it. but we have to find a way to get rid of the bad apples because they screw up the whole thing. with that, i have to go

downstairs. >> chairwoman: thank you, supervisor. >> hold on just one moment. technical difficulties. all right, well -- there we go. all right. >> before you begin, audrey, thank you. for those of you who are standing in the room or sitting on the floor and you cannot find a seat, the north light court is being set up as an overflow room. if you make you're way downstairs to the first floor, the north light court, you will be able to view and hear these

proceedings. when your name is called to submit your public comment, feel free to come up and enter the room. and if those of you with a seat who submit your public comment would be so courteous as to then leave the chamber and make your way down to the light court to allow others to enter the room, that would be appreciated. thank you. i appreciate your cooperation. again, anybody who can't find a seat will need to leave the room. >> again, commissioners, good morning. my name is audrey maloney. planning department staff, i work on the legislative and policy team. with me is elizabeth watty,

and patrick o'reardon, and cyril yu. >> we're not going to be making any kind of staff recommendation today, but we are highlighted our concerns of the ordinance as it currently stands. and we have done our best to condense and simplify this ordinance, and with that being said, it is a very dense ordinance. and we'll be breaking this up to more digestable segments. and we also wanted to warn you about the amount of information you're about to see on these slides. we broke all of the power point rules, and there are way too many words. that was done on purpose. again, this is a very complicated piece of legislation. we don't expect either yourselves as commissioners or the public to be able to

digest every single piece of what is going to be presented here today. the slides were designed with the intention to be able to take them with you, both you and the public, and be able to read them on your own and understand them without somebody explaining them to you. sorry there are way too many words on these slides. after the final conclusion, as commissioner melgar said, we will be taking public comment after all of the segments of the staff presentation have been given. first the good news: we all agree that there are some major issues that we're trying to solve, and there are some common goals that we are trying to reach. the first of which is to develop a straightforward permitting process for residential projects. and the second is to eliminate loopholes that result in illegal demolition. and the thirdto go into the background of this particular ordinance, back in september, supervisor

peskin introduced the original ordinance, and since that time, supervisor peskin's office has been working with the planning office on almost a weekly basis to try to address some of our concerns and listen to our requested amendments. on may 7th, the ordinance was reintroduced, and some of the planning was adopted into that new ordinance. with that, i'll turn it over to patrick o'reardon from the planning and building inspection. >> good morning, commissioners. my name is patrick o'reardon, chief building spectoinspector at d.b.i. i want to extend my thank you to the planning department for working on this legislation. the effort is very much appreciated. to start with d.b.i.'s mission, to serve the city and county of san francisco and the general public by

ensuring that life and property within the city and county are safeguarded. we do this through the effective, efficient, fair, and safe enforcement of the city and county of san francisco's building, housing, plumbing, electrical and mechanical codes. these codes are updated every three years as we learn more about safety hazards, and new building techniques and materials and technologies and developed. i'm giving this last bullet a little emphasis. d.b.i. wants owners to do everything in their power to upgrade their buildings to make them safer, healthier, more efficient, and more accessible. why do we want to do this? primarily it is because of our aging housing stock. if you look at the picture on this slide, i believe this is monterey boulevard, taken some time in the

'20s, and so you'll see all of those houses were there, much like they're still there today. housing stock in san francisco is aging, but the vast majority of residential buildings were built prior to 1950. because of this, building inspectors often see obsolete and unsafe components or conditions in residential buildings. we see damage due to dry rot, pest infestation, and water intrusion. we see old, unsafe wiring, and oftentimes we see old and ineffective plumbing. now, this next slide shows -- is in relation to unsafe electrical systems. as you can clearly see, this is old nob and tube wiring. and this is an example of deteriorated knob and tube wiring, which possess a fire hazard and is often unable

to cope with modern electrical demands. related to outdated plumbing, this section shows sections of old plumbing in need of replacement. problems are old led and joints that are leaking and are not properly supported. you can see the rust, which is a sign of leakage at the joints. blind walls -- we know them as blind walls. some people refer them to as property line walls, as side walls, but essentially they are walls that are at the site of buildings here in san francisco that maybe zero lot line buildings. in other words, they're buildings that are between adjacent buildings and there is limited or no space between those buildings. usually it is an inch of space or maybe even less in some cases. blind walls or properly aligned walls where little

or no space is left between buildings. they present a specific set of challenges. because of their location, work to bring them up to code requires significant alteration or temporary removal. in the case of vertical additions, they often need to be reinforced or replaced to safely hold the increased load of an additional story that may be added. continuing with blind walls: the frequent problems that we encounter. we see that there is a lack of proper fire protection. you can see from the picture this is a wall with the interior finishes having been removed, and an additional stud has been added next to the old stud. but as you can see, there is evidence of deteriorated building paper there. so that would indicate that this wall would be prone to leaks. obviously, we see no insulation.

it is unlikely there was insulation when the surface and lath and last properly was removed. this is what was uncovered. obviously these walls are susceptible to pest infestation, also. when insulation and drywall is added to the interior of the blind wall but the original exterior remains, it can create mode mold problems. upgrades for fire safety and weatherization are impossible without temporary removal of the wall. it is impossible to add overlapping paper at the exterior of the wall without its temporary removal. so plainly said, it is the wall -- you just do not have the peace between the outside of the ask tear wal exterior and the adjacent building's wall. so it is impossible to

upgrade its exterior. the next slide is pretty dramatic, but this is an actual event that took place about three years ago on mission street. it gives a little emphasis to the importance of the fire-rated walls at property lines. this fire did spread to an adjacent building, and several people were displaced from an s.r.o. the buildings did not have the firewalls that we see in buildings that are -- modern buildings that are constructed today. so the benefits of these blind-wall upgrades: homes are healthier, more energy-efficient, and safer. new walls are better able to support greater loads. they'll have fire protection, allowing more time for firefighters to

stop the spread and residents to escape. at this point, i'm going to turn it over to my colleague, cyril yu from d.b.i.. >> i'm not cyril yu. going into the first thing this ord nan wil ordinance -- when we talk about noticing and permits, these are the amendments to section 311. throughout the presentation, you can see this format, and on the right-hand side, the way that the ord na ordinance is currently written, will change the procedures. i won't focus too much on the way it is. i will highlight the major points about the way it will be. for neighborhood notification, known as

section 311, the legislation generally would expand the items that would require 311 or neighbourhood notification, and how quickly a poster must be placed on the site for certain applications. it would also expand what must be included in the packets that are mailed to the public. and all of those items listed on the right-hand side, the renderings, engineering, calculations, construction drawings, those are all now new requirements that would need to go into the packets mailed to the public for notification purposes. this is another slide you'll be seeing a lot of today. to try to go over some of the planning department's anticipated impacts and concerns, we used more of a diagram model. on the left-hand side, you'll see a grey circle, which is some of the planning implications. on the right-hand side, the orange circle is some of the anticipated presumed impacts for the public. in the middle, we have general significant impacts

to both the planning department and the public. for the neighborhood notice example, some of the biggest impacts would be increased cost to applicants, due to consulting, plan drafting, and application fees. and the permit applications that require neighborhood notice would take much longer to process. looking at the new requirements for permit submittal and review, they must verify d.b.i. and the project would have to comply with the residential guidelines as they existed on the day that this ordinance became affective. some of our largest anticipated impacts with that new set of permit su submittal guidelines are

that the planning department are not engineers, we don't have that skill set, so verifying a department of building inspection, demolition or structural plan calculation is not something in our skill set, and this ordinance would require us to do that. it would also be a substantial shift and how d.b.i. and planning currently process these applications. it would take a very long time for us to put this new system into place. so we envision that that will cause some delays. and once the system is in place, it does impact our procedures in that we have many more things that we need to examine, with trans pe transfer permits back and forth. on the public side, some of the biggest changes are, again, that applicants must hire an architect to submit those plans, and the plans and structural drawings are now required at the front end of an application.

right now it is just a site plan because we know that planning is usually going to come around and ask for changes and reiterations. so, again, the biggest impact would be significant delays in permit processing, and an increased cost to applicants because of all of these changes. with that, i will turn it over to cyril from the planning department. >> hi, commissioners, i'm a supervisor with the plan review surface division. currently you require building permit for new buildings and demolition and grading. what is so great about our entitlement process, you'll need architectural drawings, and these are conceptual drawings to establish the building windows. the application will now require structural drawings

and calculations to accompany these site permit conceptuaconceptual design. this is for d.b.i.to review it and for means and methods and construction. and the application will need to include a sworn declaration and testing to the accuracy of the submitted plans, and stated impact on the tenants, and construction means and methods. currently in regards to permits, when d.b.i. has determined that the work has gone beyond the scope of the permit, we issue a d.u. v. the project sponsor must obtain the additional permits for the work. when d.b.i. determines that work has been done without a permit, an n.o.v. is submitted. with the new ordinance, d.b.i. will no longer be

able to issue these after the fact, permits for additional work. so before a permit is issued, the sponsor will have to file another permit to remove the legal work prior to putting back the seated work. does that kind of make sense? so pre-existing condition, it is not well-defined. we don't know what that is. if you were to pull a permit to bring it back to pre-existing conditions, we don't know, is that pre-approval of the permit or pre-issues? >> now we'll break for commissioner comments and questions. >> okay. so i -- do you have a question to commissioner mccarthy, and then we will allow for the rest of the commissioners to ask clarifications. my one question was: i was a little confused by the staff

presentation packet that came to us before this meeting. before this meeting, there was an item of dry-rot removal that would trigger the definition of demolition. i read the legislation, and i did not see that in there. can you clarify where that came from? is that related to the contacts? >> we will be covering that in the demolition section of the presentation. if you don't mind waiting until we go over that slide. >> chairwoman: no problem. >> we do cover that in the demolition section. >> chairwoman: thank you. >> so we're going to come back and ask questions on the second phase of the presentation. >> chairwoman: they may have been answered during that presentation. >> mr. reardon, i have a few questions for you. thank you. so if we could go back to the slide -- i kind of just

want to walk through it to make sure i have a really good understanding, particularly to the blind wall section of the presentation there. if you could -- if john could come up there, or somebody, and get that back to that slide area. and then i have kind of -- as i was reading last night, i was preparing the question for you. i want to be sure i have a clear understanding. in most older homes or buildings that water-proof is broken down or ripped or isn't performing anymore, can you explain to the public what happens when you take these older, leaking walls, and fill them with, say, insulation and sheet rock, as described by the code, what is likely to happen? >> so the best weig way i can kind of explain that is if you go to slide six in your package, where it shows a picture of monterey

boulevard in the 1920s. when people file for permits now in regard to maybe adding a story or updating those buildings in some way, where it would involve the removal of the interior surfaces, the code requires the insulation of insulation to meet the energy code requirements, and it requires, obviously, sheet rock on the inside. the sheet rock that is applied to the inside in modern construction provides much tighter construction than the old lathe and plaster provided. not only is the sheet rock taped at all of the joints, but caulk is applied around the electrical boxes and switch boxes, and so you have a much more air-tight enclosure, at least from the inside. in the existing wall cavity, if you look at the following

slide from the second blind wall slide, you will see those cavities are going to be filled up when installation is provided by the code. essentially, it provides an incubator for dry rot and mold because you're introducing insulation to a wall that is probably lacking in weatherization from the outside, and really it just harbors the growth of the fungus, and that is mold and dry rot. so our effort is to achieve minimum code compliance. and the minimum code compliance would be to make sure that we have a code-compliant wall when said wall is exposed. >> and i hear a lot of building inspectors, from their experiences, this -- moisture doesn't become a problem with these older

walls until a remodel occurs. would you agree with that? >> absolutely. because we don't see the problem until the wall is opened up. once the wall is opened up, we're looking at what is illustrated in the slide, where you see the open wall cavities between the studs and the wall. >> the other part of the equation, which i talked to a lot of contractors over the years, can you explain why it is impossible to fix or patch the papering of a wall without actually taking the wall down? can we talk a little bit about that? because that has been a real field condition problem for years. >> it is about accessability. because if these are zero lot line buildings, you don't have the ability to get to the outside of the wall. with a front wall or back wall, you can work on it from the front or inside of the front wall, and likewise with the back wall. with the lot line walls, if they're to be kept in place, there is simply no way of doing any work to the

outside surfaces of that wall. including the application of sheet rock for fire protection, or paper to ensure we have proper weatherization for that wall. >> these walls, as you kind of pointed out in your presentation, are very important. now most people in the general public don't know what that means. quickly explain what it means and how important it is when we're remodeling that we do achieve these walls, particularly on the property sidelines. >> most people don't think about 1l walls. the 1-r wall. but what it means is it creates an allowance of time for people to exit from the building. it means that a fire that occurs in the building is less likely