>> chair fewer: the meeting will come to order.

this is the july 10, 2019 meeting of the budget and finance subcommittee. i am joined by supervisor raphael mandelman. colleague, can i have a motion to excuse supervisor catherine stefani today? >> supervisor mandelman: so moved. [gavel]. >> chair fewer: thank you. madam clerk, do you have any announcements? >> clerk: yes. [agenda item read]. >> chair fewer: thank you. mad madam clerk, can you please read items 1, 2, and 3

togethe together. [agenda item read] [agenda item read] [agenda item read]. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. you are not katie, i think. introduce yourself, please. >> good morning, committee members. thank you for hearing the items. i am from the controller's office of public finance. i'll be here to speak to the financing of items 1, 2, and 3, they're approval of issuance of 2019-b general obligation

bonds. the purpose of the program was to protect the waterfront, bart and muni buildings, historic roads from earthquakes, flooding, rising seas, and the intent was to repair the seawall, embarcadero, and parts of the city. based on the total anticipated par amount of $47,010,000,

we're approximately $63 million of debt service. the city charter has a limit on the percent of bonds, so if the board approves this bond, it

would rise approximately .02% this proposed sale would maintain the city's rate for general obligations bonds below the 2006 rate. we're currently pricing to close the bonds in september. i know these items were introduced for legislation earlier, but we're also requesting an amendment to allow the port to be repaid for any additional funds that they need to expend between now and when they receive the bond proceeds. i'd be happy to answer any questions that you have over the financing details, but for

now, i'll turn it over to katie and brad for the items that will be taken over by the bonds. >> chair fewer: so you have an amendment. >> yes. i've submitted the amendments, and it just pushes the old section 24 to 25. >> chair fewer: okay. let's hear from the port officers. >> i'm here today to ask that the board of supervisors approve the first sale of the seawall general obligation bond that was approved by the voters in november 2018. the port is requesting approval for a bond sale not to exceed $50 million that will support design and work on the seawall program. the program has evolved considerably over the last year, and i'm joined by brad

benson, the port's waterfront resilience director. brad will walk the committee through a quick presentation and then i will wrap up the presentation with some details about the requested bond sale. >> chair fewer: thank you. >> good morning, chair fewer, supervisor mandelman. i appreciate you being here today, putting the bond on the ballot. as katie mentioned, the program has expanded quite a bit. we were able to win something called a new start through the federal government with the army corps of engineers. the city and county of san francisco won one of two flood

risk new starts, and through that effort, we are examining flood risk not just along the embarcadero seawall area of the port, but the port's entire 7.5-mile jurisdiction, including to north of the park down to herron's head park. so we have been in a process of community engagement. this is the vision statement that we just brought to the community last month of a safe, equitiable, sustainable and inspiring waterfront. we're working with the community on principles and goal for the program, including criteria that we'll use to select first projects. the port's efforts are nested within citywide broader efforts, including the sea

level wise action plan and the hazard resilience plan, which i believe is coming your way. along the waterfront, the biggest risk is earthquake risk, particularly along fill areas on the waterfront. this chart shows that we've been in a relatively quiet earthquake period since 1906, and we expect this to change as pressure increases look along the tectonic plates. we're also dealing with flood risks. we have lane closures along the embarcadero road way during king tide events. we're worried that a 100-year or 500-year storm event, with a

low probability of happening, that we could face consequences, including flooding of the embarcadero muni tunnel. it's that exposure and other flood risk exposure along the waterfront that's the federal basis for studying flood risk along the waterfront, and you'll see this is the overlapping jurisdiction of the embarcadero seawall program and the flood study. in the flood study, it's a 50-50 sharing of costs between the federal government and the nonfederal sponsor, which is the port. we initially started this study, thinking this would be a $3 million effort. in negotiation with the army corps, it looks like to really tackle flood risk along a complicated urban waterfront like this, it's more likely that the study cost will be approaching $20 million, and will take five or more years, and we'll be back before you

seeking approval of that final study plan probably this fall. so in order to address these twin risks of seismic safety and flood safety, we'll developed a planning framework called strengthen, adapt, and envision. strengthen is what do we need to do today to focus on life safety and emergency response in the near term. adapt will be a plan that we will execute over the next 30 years to address flood risk as that risk increases over time, and eventually, we'll need a new shoreline along the bay edge, and we'll be going through a public process to envision what that new shoreline could look like. so returning to the embarcadero seawall program, which is most of the expenditure that's before you today, as i mentioned, the first priority is life safety and emergency response. we're doing our best to look at how the first set of projects

in the embarcadero seawall program could align with the army corps flood study so we address both seismic and flood risks at the same time, and we get credit for the local expenditure as a match for future federal funding. where we are right now is in the midst of a multihazard risk assessment that we expect will conclude at the end of the year. a big component of this effort is doing more geotechnical investigation along the waterfront to really be able to pinpoint areas of high lateral spread risk where the most dangerous -- where we have to focus in terms of life safety and emergency response. we're looking at a broad range of criteria, including miss torque resources, economic impacts to workers, and urban design as part of that risk assessment and that will inform

the alternatives that we come up with in the next two years to three years to address flood risk. so through this process, we're engaging significantly with the public in three major areas of the wheaterfront. and we are walking along the process with the public so they understand the criteria that we'll be using to select projects to address these risks. it's been -- i think the port's most robust community engagement efforts. we've been doing road shows. if you'd like us to come to your district and explain the work that we're doing, we'd be happy to. i'm really proud of the work

this they've done. they recently won an award from the aapa, and we're really proud of that them. with that, i'm going to turn it over to katie. >> this first bond sale will reimburse $6 million of the $9 million loan that the city's revolving loan made to the port program. they will also reimburse capital to the program that will allow them to continue seawall work that may not be bond eligible costs. the port has secured $446 million of the phase one budget to date, and we continue to seek other sources for the

program including contributions through the state, possible participating in a cap-and-trade revenue. we're investigating looking into additional taxes to fund the remaining gap. this will primarily fund project staff, project planning, such as geotechnical investigations, completion of the multihazard risk assessment that brad mentioned, alternatives development, our ongoing public outreach, the start of environmental review, preliminary design, and costs related to the army corps of engineers flood study. we expect that this first sale

will fund our work on the program through 2022. we appreciate the board's consideration, and we are happy to answer questions. >> chair fewer: could we hear from the b.l.a., please. >> good morning, chair fewer, supervisor mandelman. self r severin campbell from the b.l.a. table two on page 4 of our report sort of summarizes the spending of the $50 million. table three on page 5 of our report sort of shows all of the

phase one funding discussed, of $500 million, of which the bonds are the major source of funding. there is a gap of approximately $54 million. our understanding is there are other programs that would fill up that $54 million gap. the sale of the initial $50 million in bonds is consistent with the city's debt limit and debt policy, so the one issue we raised in this report was is there was litigation against proposition a. it was dismissed in superior court, but our understanding is there is a 60-day appeal period. we do request that the

department submit a report to the board of the end of the appeal process, otherwise, we approve the amount. >> so the amendment is to -- file number 190357, and -- >> chair fewer: oh, excuse me. i think you mentioned earlier it was 358. >> oh, yeah, it's 358. i apologize, that's correct. >> chair fewer: that's okay. >> just having a moment here. >> chair fewer: okay. so section 24 reads the city declares its official twebt to reimburse prior expenses of the

city incurred prior to the series 2019 bond to be financed by the series 2019 bonds. the board of supervisors declares the city's intent to reimburse the city with the proceeds of the series 2019-b bonds for the expenditures with respect to the project. each expenditure made on off after that date is no more than 60 days after the adoption of the resolution. each expenditure was and will be either a, of a type properly chargeable to a capital account under general federal income tax principles determined in each case as of the date of the expenditure. b, a conservationist with respect to the 2019-b bonds. c, a nonreoccurring item that is not repayable through current grant revenues.

or d, the grant is not for any entity identified with the city. the city recognizes that exceptions are available for certain preliminary expenditures, cost of expenditures, expenditures by small issuers based on the year of issuance and not year of expenditure, and construction projects of at least five years. so that's the section that we

added, essentially allowing the bonds to reimburse the port for expenditures made to 60 days before the adoption up to three years after the product is placed for service. >> chair fewer: so this is the safety plan. >> yes. so if there's any further delay in issuing the bonds, and the port needs to expend its own money to continue the project and not have any delays, then they'll be able to reimburse themselves from the bond proceeds. >> chair fewer: thank you. any questions from my colleagues? yes, supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: i want to start by expressing my gratitude for the work that you're doing and my sense that this is extraordinarily important. i want to start with my anxiety, and you be able to tell me that we're okay, but i

don't think you're going to be able to do that. one of the anxieties that i have -- i want us to move forward and do this work, but it seems like the scale of what we're going to need to do going forward and the pace that we're going to need to do is several times greater than this contemplated $500 million project, and this contemplated $500 million project takes us through the next 5 to 7 years. climate change is all about irreversible changes by 2030 or we're not going to be around to see it. you're anticipating the problems that could happen with a 100-year flood, but of course we're seeing 20, 50, 500-year weather events -- they're no

longer 500-year weather events. part of what's happening with this is getting us to understand the scale of the program and what more we're going to need to do and on what timeline, i think. but do you have a sense into how far of dealing with the needs along the waterfront we're going to be with this $500 nmillion and how much mor we're likely going to have to do? >> so thank you for the question, and i'll do my best to address your anxiety. >> chair fewer: that's extra. >> so i think as we initially envisioned this program, due to funding constraints -- you know, we had always estimated that the cost of improving the entire embarcadero section of the shoreline would be $2 bi billion to $5 billion, and we

would undertake that in a 30-year program. the initial phase of the embarcadero program was we were going to spend sometime looking at those broader needs, sort of a long-range planning effort but then really quickly focus in on phase 1, which is not the enti entire length of the seawall. it will probably be one-half to two-thirds of a mile. i think what the army corps is looking at, which is 7.5 miles, and how we need to address this through strengthen, adapt, and envision, is we are really bulking up our planning effort to look over the long-term in a much deeper way. so the army corps study alone, i mentioned that $20 million

figure, i think that that is going to look out through at least 2080. we're still working with the army corps on the flood risk analysis that is the pending on that study, but it is looking at the latest california sea level rise curves experienced here locally. we're looking at a variety of storm events through that, taking into account some of the changes to weather patterns that you're talking about, and i think we've got a very robust planning process and analysis process that is going to be looking at what we need to do beyond this phase one to a much bigger project. funding is the challenge. >> supervisor mandelman: right. >> we're pleased that the army corps study very preliminary work is looking like that might generate up to $1 billion in

federal investment. that's not enough, but that's a big amount of money. it would not likely come all at the same time like federal appropriations work. as katie mentioned, we're looking at a broad range of funding strategies to move this ball bond phase 1 because we believe that there are strategy problems beyond just the phase 1 of the seawall program. we feel the urgency. we want to get the seawall in the ground as quickly as possible. i think the way that the public is accepting of this planning effort is really promising. it looks like we're going to be able to move forward and address these risks without a lot of controversy, but that's a very long-winded answer to your question.

>> supervisor mandelman: thank you. i don't know if you know this -- i think he now this, but we may not have 30 years to make significant changes to protect portions of the waterfront, and somehow i think during this phase 1 or in phase 2, i think we're going to have to figure out a way to move much more quickly around the things that we're doing. and of course the longer we don't do that, the harder it is going to be for the city to respond when there is a terrible event in trying to cleanup the costs of the tunnel flooding and the damage along the waterfront that will happen if there is terrible flooding. you know, we will be spending our money trying to clean that up, and that's a much worse place to be than trying to make that waterfront more resilient on the front end, so thank you for the work that you're doing.

>> thank you. >> chair fewer: let's open this up for public comment now. are there any members of the public that would like to comment on items 1, 2, or 3? mr. wright. >> all right. let's take care of the first major problem first. your anxiety, just like i've been saying all the time. when you fill those 17 openings for psychiatrists that you got for the board of supervisors in the city and county of san francisco, you need to make an appointment to see a psychiatrist. okay. now, the seawall, i agree, i watch educational shows, watch global warming in places like alaska where we have all these ice treasures, they're melting, and tonnage of ice is raising the level. and also want to point out -- sf viewer. here's an example of the

seawall. when you're building the seawall, sir, this fence, really, right here, concrete, that's maybe only 3.5 or 4 feet high. that's too low. i believe it should be up at least 10 feet high in order to prevent a flood or hurricane or the water raising up much higher than that. we're zoning activity like this, and if we have a catastrophe like of what you're talking about, it's not going to prevent the flooding of the muni tunnels. that's not the only tunnel you should be worried about. the b.a.r.t. tunnel, too. that tunnel is seven miles below the ocean surface, and if you have a flood there, the

combination of the high power electrical line, it can do some serious damage. and i'd also like you to expand your studies to this part of the city here. we don't have no seawall here. this is like towards the mission rock area where the baseball -- at&t park there is located. there's no protection here. >> chair fewer: thank you, mr. wright. thank you for upping my colleague's anxiety level. any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is now closed. mr. attorney, i have a question for you. the amendments brought forward, are those substantive? >> mr. givner: deputy city attorney jon givner. no, you can pass them out of committee today. >> chair fewer: i'd like to make a motion to approve the amendment as presented by the

controller's office. i can do that without objection, and i'd also like to move this to the full board with a recommendation and also with the b.l.a.s recommendation. okay. y i can do that without objection? okay. thank you. [gavel]. >> chair fewer: madam clerk, will you please read item number 4. [agenda item read]. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. oh, hello. hi, could you introduce yourself please. >> sure. good morning, chair fewer, supervisor mandelman. i'm deputy director for finance and housing. i'm here before you asking for approval from the state of

$1.8 million that will allow us to assist up to 100 adults exiting homelessness. you approved something similar last year. the funds have already been appropriated as part of our budget that you passed in committee just a few weeks ago. this is an exciting program. we'd like to continue it. we're marrying it with hud subsidy vouchers. this will let us work with two nonprofit providers to continue to locate those units in our community, as well as private stablization services, support services, so that adults transitioning from homelessness are able to remain in those units, we're happy to answer any questions. >> chair fewer: colleagues, questions or comments? there is no b.l.a.

i'll open this up for public comment. is there any public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. i'll make a motion to send this to the full board with a positive recommendation. can we do that without objection? okay. [gavel]. >> chair fewer: madam clerk, can you please read item 5. [agenda item read]. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. and we have deanna from the san francisco international airport. >> good morning, supervisors. the airport is asking your approval between s.f.o. and china airlines -- for a contract between s.f.o. and

china airlines. in may 2016, the board of supervisors approved a three-year cargo lease between china airlines and s.f.o. through april 8, 2019, with a three-year option to extend for 38,000 square feet of space in cargo building 648. due to increases airport cargo volumes and decreased cargo facilities over the past five years, airport staff decided not to extend the option to extend and instead decided to increase the amount. the amendment is on-line 20 of the resolution. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. could we hear a b.l.a. report, please. >> yes. the board of supervisors is being asked to approve a new

three-year lease with china airlines -- between the airport and china airlines with two three-year options to extend. we summarize the lease terms in table 1 on page 10 of our report, and the estimated revenues to the airport over the three-year term of the lease in table 2. the total revenue to the airport if the lease extends through for the entire three years would be about $3.2 million. the rates are set by the airport and approved by the commission each year. we did make a technical amendment to clarify for the first-year rent, and we recommend approval. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. let's open this up for public comment. any members of the public wish to comment on item number 5? mr. wright. >> you know, i was interested

in the housing program about the community grant. i want to point out that is that going to be used to provide permanent housing for people because i have objections on the amount of money being spent to programs because the homeless people need permanent housing, not programs. if you're spending $1,816,000 on programs, i object because that should be spent on housing so you know where they're located so they can get the services. >> chair fewer: thank you, mr. wright. any other comments? i make a motion to send this to

the full board with a positive recommendation -- >> clerk: madam president, would you like to make a motion to accept the amendment? >> chair fewer: yes. i make a motion to approve the amendment and send this to the full board with a positive recommendation. and we can do that without objection. [gavel]. >> chair fewer: madam clerk, will you please read the next item. [agenda item read]. >> the airport is requesting your approval of a new lease with iberia, líneas aéreas de españa, s.a. operadora, sociedad unipersonal for approximately two years through june 30, 2021, when the current lease expires. so basically, iberia would like to join china for a new lease agreement. this agreement is the mechanism

that allows airlines to provide flight operations and rent terminal space at the airport. the lease also provides a common lease provision. the airport's a.s.f. in 2018 was $46.6 million. i am happy to answer any questions. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. can we hear from the b.l.a., please. >> the proposed resolution would approve adding iberia airlines to the 2016 lease agreement. they began operating in the airport last spring. they do not have dedicated space. they would be paying for joint use space and landing fees. we summarize the terms of the lease in table 1 on page 12. the rent to the airport in

19-20, so we just have one year rent estimated here is about $1.3 million in table 2 on page 13, and we recommend approval. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. let's open this up for public comment. any members of the public like to comment on item 6? >> like yourselves, i have a lot of time to watch a lot of educational shows pertaining to foreign countries. china has been taking multiquadruple trillions and billions of dollars in exchange for products and materials and the use and business transactions back and forth and forth and back with the united states for years, for the past several presidents that we had. you got over $500 billion cash flow in the trades with china, so i move to have you have a study and find out if we're paying rent to use the airports

in china to run a comparison and contrast because those guys are scandalous, very scandal jo jo ous, and i'll bring in documentation to back up my studies, as well. so look up china, if they're providing the same type of services that we're providing for china, and you'll see a multibillion-dollar difference. and about libya and the middle east, that's big mistake of $180 billion cash money on pallets given to libya, which is a terrorist country, and that's one of the biggest mistakes that the obama administration made in their presidency, giving cash money to that country. >> chair fewer: thank you, mr. wright. any other public comment?

public comment is closed. i'd like to make a motion to move this forward to the full board with a positive recommendation. [gavel]. >> chair fewer: and madam clerk, could you please call the next item. [agenda item read]. >> chair fewer: thank you very much. and we have mr. juan ibarra. >> thank you, supervisors. my name is juan ibarra. i'm the acting director for the mental health services act in the san francisco department of health. i'm here to present our fiscal year 19-20 services act annual update. so to provide an overview of mhsa, this was enacted into law in 2005, and it's a 1% tax on personal incomes over $1

million, and within a set of regulations, it is designed to support the transformation of the mental health system to address unmet needs, and it's based on a set of core principles. for example, community collaboration and cultural competence. and the annual update, they're required to provide updates to the mhsa three-year integrated plan. this was for fiscal year 17-20, and for this fiscal year 19-20 annual update, we held over 23 community forums attended by over 200 individuals. we posted the annual update for a 30-day comment period, and we also had a public hearing at the san francisco mental health board and we're currently seeking approval from the board of supervisors for our annual

update. so the revenues that we receive from the state vary year by year because they're based on personal incomes over $1 million, and according to our latest mhsa expenditure report, our revenues were a little over $37 million. now mhsa services can be organized along a continuum from lowest threshold over at the right, at the top, and examples of those programs are early intervention programs all the way down to the intensive services, and examples of those are the intensive case management and crisis programs, and over on the left, we see capital facilities and information technology which quickly provides the necessary framework through all of our

services. and for fiscal year 17-18, we funded 80 programs, and we -- mhsa served over 52,000 unique individuals. and so this shows you the different type of programs grouped by service type, and so -- and i did refer you to the mhsa annual update for more detailed descriptions. and so just to select a few programs here and highlight their outcomes, their performance objectives outcomes, here, i will just go to the middle one here, drop in self-help community center, that's a drop-in house in the tenderloin, mainly serving homeless individuals. here, we see they had over

15,000 participants in socialization and wellness services. and for their harm reduction support group participants, which were about 139, 91% demonstrated reduced risk behaviors. and then, if i can call to your attention the last one there, first impressions, that's a citywide vocational rehabilitation program. and there, we see that 100% of its graduates reported an improvement in the development of work readiness skills. so these programs are aimed to develop job readiness and skills in the areas of remodelling, construction, and building maintenance. and so what's new for 19-20? i'll be spending a few minutes on this slide talking about some select initiatives and new things for mhsa for 19-20.

so innovation programs are time-limited projects reviewed and approved by the state, and they provide an opportunity to learn from new practices or approaches that will support system change and improve client outcomes. so as a result of our extensive community programming efforts, we will introduce four new innovative programs. the first there is the peer transition support, so this provides a peer linkage team providing intensive services and a warm handoff when clients transition from intensive case management services to outpatient services. the second, technology based mental health solutions -- not too long ago, i was here in front of the same supervisors presenting this one. this is a multicounty collaborative effort that will

utilize technology approaches public health service delivery in order to increase care and support for san francisco resident can see. third one there, fuerte, that's culturally tailored to address the needs of latinx newcomers with limited english proficiency and health literacy. and the last one there, wellness in the streets, so this program will help increase access to homeless individuals that do not typically access behavioral health services despite experiencing mental health needs. this project involves a roving support team of formerly homeless peer counselors that will engage this population in peer counseling directly on the streets where people are

housed. the second, p.e.i. stands for program and early intervention. again, i'll refer you to the annual update to see those reports within our larger annual update. the on-line learning system, this was a result of our stakeholder feedback, primarily our behavioral health services workforce. they wanted a more robust on-line training system, so mhsa plans to implement a 24-7 on-line learning system for our workforce for both civil service and contract agency staff. and so the contract development for an r.f.q. will soon take place and the timeline for the project implementation is flexible, but we hope to begin this sometime in july 2020.

so ongoing quality improvement efforts, so we continue to collaborate, and we enhanced our monitoring and evaluation activities, provided support to our program so they can meet their performance objectives, and we continue to gather stakeholder gather back and make improvements to our mhsa reporting with the ultimate goal of improving client outcomes. and lastly there, the no place like home, we presented, i think last year, in october, about this, but just as a refresher, this is a $2 billion housing bond initially passed by governor brown in 2016. so the state funding was delayed by prop 2 during the november 2018 general election, and these funds will provide permanent supportive housing to people with severe mental illness and also with -- two individuals experiencing chronic homelessness and are at

risk of being homeless. this is an interdivisional effort with the mayor's office of housing and urban development, and will prioritize people with the greatest need and the most barriers to housing. the department of homeless and supportive housing will spear head the development of a coordinated entry system that aims to reduce barriers and stream line the effort to get into housing. it will provide 127 units to adults and seniors. construction is aimed to begin in january 2020, with an estimated completion date of august 2021. and so thank you very much, and i can take any questions you

may have now. >> chair fewer: supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: yeah. thank you for that presentation. i just see that there's been a lot of unfilled positions at mental health. how long have you been the director? >> since late february, beginning of march. >> supervisor mandelman: and when are they anticipated they're going to have a permanent -- >> pretty soon, actually. interviews have been completed, so i anticipate pretty -- real soon. >> supervisor mandelman: okay. you know, i was very excited when mhsa passed back in 2004 because it seemed like a real game changer for a state that had underinvested in mental health services for too long, and there was going to be this

funding for mental health services statewide. it looks like we're pulling in about $38 million a year at this point? >> yeah. as of 17-18, that was -- >> supervisor mandelman: maybe a little bit more now. >> yeah, $37 million, approximately. >> supervisor mandelman: and how does that -- behavioral health services total budget is 400 -- >> for behavioral health services? >> supervisor mandelman: yeah. >> i'm going to have to defer to somebody else, marlow, director of behavioral health services. >> yeah. our overall revenue in 17-18, was about 37. >> supervisor mandelman: and also hard to program on an ongoing basis when you have a

program that looks like that. >> and also a reserve. we're mandated under the law to have a certain amount so when the budget goes down, you don't have to cut programs. >> supervisor mandelman: and also, when you have more capital, which we're able to do "no place like home" and other programs like that. i don't understand how the mhsa funding works. and are there things that a locality can do to get more or less funding and what's that based on? >> so the funding that we get from the state, you know, obviously, there's a lot of regulations around that, and so th

they -- that's about 78%, and then, we have the prevention and early invention. that's about 98% of the total revenue. innovations programs, that's about 5%. and then, the other two remaining components, which is the capital facilities and technology needs and workforce education and training, those had a one-time allocation a few years back, but that money has been depleted, and so now we in san francisco as well as many other counties support these two components by transferring money out of the community and services supports, so that's more or less how the funding and the allocation to the different components -- >> supervisor mandelman: and the allocations are set at the state level? >> yes. >> supervisor mandelman: but the overall amount, as in san francisco's going to get $37 or

$38 million. we're not leveraging, it's like, we're not sending them the right bills, this is the amount that san francisco is going to be getting in the real world. >> they have an equation that's based on population, number of mental health, and it gives us about .008 of the revenue coming in. [please stand by].