us and have answers for the members when they give us a call. regarding those who are on mandatory withdrawal, currently, there is no avenue for them to remain in the system, correct? so anybody that's retired cannot remain in the deferred comp system, cannot reinvest in the deferred comp system. >> that's actually not true. >> beiokay. that's what i want to get to. >> that's actually a good point that you brought up because i think that's a common misconception that when you retire, you have to roll your money out of the plan, and that's not the case. we've actually done a lot of work over the past couple of years by helping people understand that's not the case.

the one thing that is restricted for retirees is no new money can come in because they're income restricted. they cannot put more money in the plan, however, they can continue to manage the plan and change their investments as they see fit. >> okay. so the mandatory -- so those that are being hit with the mandatory withdrawal, i know there's interest -- there's interest about how to take those mandatory withdrawals and invest them in other -- other -- lack of a better word -- other investments, so i think that's something we may want to talk about. maybe mr. collins is in the audience, and maybe we should talk about -- a couple of the

unions that are interested in that, in passing other information. so it's something we should be thinking about because i know there is a lot of concern about it, and before we get a lot of questions -- >> and the mandatory withdrawal is the age 70.5 restriction. >> it's r.m.d., required mandatory distribution. >> but it's not retirement, and you have to start withdrawing at 70.5. yeah, we can look at something about that. >> i'm throwing it out here in public session because it's a concern. it's on several minds, and first, i want to make sure we're getting the best accurate information at the moment that

we have, and then possibly some food for thought that we can do something that people will feel comfortable with for the future. >> and i think with the rollout of the professional management services that's being offered, that will be a really great service for a retiree to talk about draw-down strategies, so that would be a good opportunity to talk about r.m.d. and where they can put that. so i'm hoping with this information, retirees will have some more information and better information on how they can drawdown, and i believe we'll offer that. >> and we'll continue to keep really good record of the legislation. we know the legislation is in the senate and can identify it by its bill number so people

can look at the senate and people can pick it out. it's just legislation that may or may not get passed. >> -- we certainly can track t it, but yeah, we can track it. how much is going to the senate nowadays, they're on vacation. >> two things. be careful. when they do these types of amendments, they leave out the 457s. two, i think what you're driving at, commissioner, when it's a major withdrawal, when it's a roll, or when it's a loan. there's different tack sheets if it's a deferred comp or if

it's your 457 or roth 457. it's not all-or-nothing. some people want to roll it to an i.r.a. so they can avoid taxes as well as use the money. so i think it's one of the things that's listed for the deferred comp committee to work on. as for anticipating what the federal government's going to do, please don't ask us to do that, but we'll make amendments once they change the law. but the r.i.a. adjustment, they've been working on that for four or five years and it has not occurred that. >> the reason i ask and it's really important is because rumors begin to fester. the rumor mill leads people to make bad decisions -- or decisions, but it's on record

now. >> everything is on schedule, we are still targeting september 3 as the go-live date. until then, every participant, even those with an international address were mailed a copy of the transition guide, which is attached for you in your material. this guide is a great reference document, and -- sorry. the computer's not working. the guide is a great reference document for participants to learn about the file. participants without internet were also mailed an internet copy, and can be found on sfdcp.org. attendance at the meetings were good? people have been happy to share the news on the internet and

their news letters? in fact we've been partnered to be featured in the sfers state mailing. i would love to have you take a look at that. the sfers annual mailing is a six-month process and goes to around 36,000 employees? it includes a cover letter from executive director huish and personalized pension information. so while the sfdcb insert was requested later in the process, we are very pleased to deliver on this. this may well be the first direct mail to roughly 20,000 eligible about the sfdcb. so we look forward to tracking progress on this and we'll report out on trends as they surface. that concludes my report. >> more questions? i have one question.

your statement about the stable value fund had dropped to 28.2% of the total, correct? >> that's right. >> on one sense, it's a verifiable piece of information, but if we're trying to make an assessment about how the members are investing their money, okay? no further questions. is there public comment? that concludes item 11. >> thank you. >> the collection item, approval of -- >> -- that is because the incredible amount of work that

the governance -- [inaudible] >> for him to really continue to educate the new governance committee on what to do before i asked him to step on or give up that seat so i can put another committee member on. >> so to clarify, you have yourself as the chair of the governance committee, but that's pending winding down so you'll be acting chair until we wind -- >> no, no, he's just on the committee. >> oh, okay. on the committee. >> it's written. i'm just sharing that. >> motion has been made and seconded. if there's no further questions, i'll call for public comment.

no public comment. all in favor? that was made by casciato and seconded by stansbury. that takes us to item 13. >> item 13, travel expense report for the quarter ended june 30, 2019. >> this report is for the end of the fiscal year or budget aend year, and we finished the year with a total breakout. we don't have a year-to-date breakout, but we have budgets -- we still have about $370,000 that will stay in the trust for an expended fiscal year 2018 and 2019.

we can answer any questions related to the travel expense report. >> any further questions? this is a discussion item only. >> correct. >> any questions or comments from the public? that concludes item 13. item 14, executive director's report. >> next item, executive director's report. >> we have attached the june 2019 dashboard. again, we continue to welcome any comments or requests for additional information to be included on this operations dashboard. i've also attached a copy of the cost effective report. last meeting, i mentioned that there has been an ordinance introduced that would amend the heart trouble and pneumonia presumption for safety members applying for disability

benefits or death and line-of-duty benefits. as required by the charter, we've basically asked chiron to assess the impact. what we do is go back and look for impact to potential applications that were listed at heart conditions or pneumonia conditions that were denied. as we report, the cost impact -- it's been transferred from the government audit and oversight committee. they've been on recess for the month of august. representatives from the committee will be there when we consider that as well as

considered by the full board. we'll be notified by the full board when it's passed. just for consideration, i wanted to present that to you. update on the commendation letter. we're in the process of writing it. there are issues related to having it put in the employee's personnel file, but certainly we want to finalize something the retirement board can sign or initially pass or commend the staff for achievements over the past few years, so we'll have that hopefully at the september board meeting. i want to thank everybody who participated -- i think i want to thank everybody who participated in the executive director performance evaluation as well as the actuarial service coordinator. my report was everyone who is here has returned their survey,

so thank you very much for that. just wanted to inform you that the governance party indicated they would do a very abbreviated survey to the board members. the draft that i saw had four questions on it, and it's really searching for priorities of the board members of what they would like to look on. i believe that will be distributed within the next week or so, so i would encourage you to take time and return that important input. we'll go to the governance committee, and certainly president driscoll and i have discussed the potential of having a retreat before the end of the year, and certainly, any

kind of priorities that you would like to see the board address, those could be considered as part of an agenda potentially for a retreat. so again, thank you for your participation and we look forward to your continued participation in this annual surveying process. with that, i don't have anything else. i would update you on the per charge, which is the local 261 grievance or charge before the p.r.b. board. karen did represent the board at the governance, and there is a settlement that will be proposed at the next september board meeting in a

closed-session briefing related to that. i've not seen the draft of the settlement. i have an understanding of at least kwha the attemwhat the a i just wanted to give you a heads up that that will be calendared at the september session board meeting. with that, i'll be happy to answer any questions. >> any questions? just emphasize one point basically that executive director huish just asked about. if you're asked to make your calendar date available for a possible retreat, which would be an all-day affair, please respond because the possibility of getting it scheduled is very difficult. unless we respond, and we can plan accordingly, we don't know when we can all get together. >> yeah. i think the format you mentioned would be two sessions, like a friday

afternoon or a saturday morning. we could break it over a tuesday or a wednesday. it's tough to go eight hours straight, but certainly, that's a possibility. we can do that. location wise, we want to generally get away from this building, but we're restricted to holding it in san francisco. we've had them in the past at treasure island, we've had them at the port, we had them at an italian restaurant one year down at the waterfront. we're a small group. we've had them at the art museum. >> how many -- >> generally, it's the board, guest speaker, and facilitators, under 20. generally, well attended by members of the board but not

members of the public. one or two people. >> what do you need for presentations? >> pretty basic. just an overhead projector -- >> my idea is my office. >> any public comment? that concludes item 14. >> i believe. >> oh, i should say good of the order. is there anything that anyone else wants to say? >> i myself would like to congratulate the old san franciscan staff for the excellent returns being announced today, and let's do it again. >> motion to adjourn is in order. >> so moved. >> public comment? meeting adjourned. thank you.

>> this is one place you can always count on to give you what you had before and remind you of what your san francisco history used to be. >> we hear that all the time, people bring their kids here and their grandparents brought them here and down the line. >> even though people move away, whenever they come back to the city, they make it here. and they tell us that. >> you're going to get something made fresh, made by hand and made with quality products and something that's

very, very good. ♪ >> the legacy bars and restaurants was something that was begun by san francisco simply to recognize and draw attention to the establishments. it really provides for san francisco's unique character. ♪ >> and that morphed into a request that we work with the city to develop a legacy business registration. >> i'm michael cirocco and the owner of an area bakery. ♪ the bakery started in 191. my grandfather came over from italy and opened it up then. it is a small operation. it's not big. so everything is kind of quality that way.

so i see every piece and cut every piece that comes in and out of that oven. >> i'm leslie cirocco-mitchell, a fourth generation baker here with my family. ♪ so we get up pretty early in the morning. i usually start baking around 5:00. and then you just start doing rounds of dough. loaves. >> my mom and sister basically handle the front and then i have my nephew james helps and then my two daughters and my wife come in and we actually do the baking. after that, my mom and my sister stay and sell the product, retail it. ♪ you know, i don't really think about it. but then when i -- sometimes when i go places and i look and see places put up, oh this is our 50th anniversary and everything and we've been over 100 and that is when it kind of

hits me. you know, that geez, we've been here a long time. [applause] ♪ >> a lot of people might ask why our legacy business is important. we all have our own stories to tell about our ancestry. our lineage and i'll use one example of tommy's joint. tommy's joint is a place that my husband went to as a child and he's a fourth generation san franciscan. it's a place we can still go to today with our children or grandchildren and share the stories of what was san francisco like back in the 1950s. >> i'm the general manager at tommy's joint. people mostly recognize tommy's joint for its murals on the

outside of the building. very bright blue. you drive down and see what it is. they know the building. tommy's is a san francisco hoffa, which is a german-style presenting food. we have five different carved meats and we carve it by hand at the station. you prefer it to be carved whether you like your brisket fatty or want it lean. you want your pastrami to be very lean. you can say i want that piece of corn beef and want it cut, you know, very thick and i want it with some sauerkraut. tell the guys how you want to prepare it and they will do it right in front of you. san francisco's a place that's changing restaurants, except for tommy's joint. tommy's joint has been the same since it opened and that is important. san francisco in general that

we don't lose a grip of what san francisco's came from. tommy's is a place that you'll always recognize whenever you lock in the door. you'll see the same staff, the same bartender and have the same meal and that is great. that's important. ♪ >> the service that san francisco heritage offers to the legacy businesses is to help them with that application process, to make sure that they really recognize about them what it is that makes them so special here in san francisco. ♪ so we'll help them with that application process if, in fact, the board of supervisors does recognize them as a legacy

business, then that does entitle them to certain financial benefits from the city of san francisco. but i say really, more importantly, it really brings them public recognition that this is a business in san francisco that has history and that is unique to san francisco. >> it started in june of 1953. ♪ and we make everything from scratch. everything. we started a you -- we started a off with 12 flavors and mango fruits from the philippines and then started trying them one by one and the family had a whole new clientele. the business really boomed after that. >> i think that the flavors we

make reflect the diversity of san francisco. we were really surprised about the legacy project but we were thrilled to be a part of it. businesses come and go in the city. pretty tough for businesss to stay here because it is so expensive and there's so much competition. so for us who have been here all these years and still be popular and to be recognized by the city has been really a huge honor. >> we got a phone call from a woman who was 91 and she wanted to know if the mitchells still owned it and she was so happy that we were still involved, still the owners. she was our customer in 1953. and she still comes in. but she was just making sure

that we were still around and it just makes us feel, you know, very proud that we're carrying on our father's legacy. and that we mean so much to so many people. ♪ >> it provides a perspective. and i think if you only looked at it in the here and now, you're missing the context. for me, legacy businesses, legacy bars and restaurants are really about setting the context for how we come to be where we are today. >> i just think it's part of san francisco. people like to see familiar stuff. at least i know i do. >> in the 1950s, you could see a picture of tommy's joint and looks exactly the same. we haven't change add thing. >> i remember one lady saying, you know, i've been eating this ice cream since before i was born. and i thought, wow! we have, too. ♪

>> when i open up the paper every day, i'm just amazed at how many different environmental issues keep popping up. when i think about what planet i want to leave for my children and other generations, i think about what kind of contribution i can make on a personal level to the environment. >> it was really easy to sign up for the program. i just went online to cleanpowersf.org, i signed up and then started getting pieces in the mail letting me know i was going switch over and poof it happened. now when i want to pay my bill, i go to pg&e and i don't see any difference in paying now. if you're a family on the

budget, if you sign up for the regular green program, it's not going to change your bill at all. you can sign up online or call. you'll have the peace of mind knowing you're doing your part in your household to help the environment.

>> any comments, questions, or corrections? hearing none, call the question. all in favor? any opposed? >> i abstain since i was not here. >> yes, the motion carries. and now, item 4, the director's report. >> good morning, commissioners, and welcome, commissioner spears. it is great to have you here and it's also great to have a full commission. i think it's been several years, so very excited to work

with all of you. i think i want to start with kind of the national level stuff. i just came back from the national association of area agencies conference on ageing and board meeting, i'm a california representative for n4a. it was in new orleans, and you know that meeting in new orleans in the summer was a little harsh. i was talking about our approach to ageing in san francisco. in addition, we had katrina williams who works in the human resources division who came and did a training on implicit bias

and equity and inclusion, and it was really well received by participants in that workshop. the other news, and i may have mentioned this early because we knew about it earlier is we were the recipients of an award because of the partnership that we have with community center and with senior centers with the older adult choir program. so community music center was with us to receive the award. it was really exciting for them, and there's been some press in san francisco about this. but it's really -- it's such a great intervention, and the people who are involved in the choirs report regularly that they feel more healthy and more engaged and all the things that we hope for when they are involved in a choir. at the state level, i think we talked a little bit about this earlier on when we met in june about what the budget was shaping up to be, but we did --

ageing and disability services did well in the budget, and there were -- in addition to, you know, some of the medi-cal enhancements, some of the things we focus on are our community services. we did very well on nutrition at the state level. a.d.l. got funding for the first time ever. this is really a way for ageing services providers and the independent living providers to work together to really think about how we serve people with disabilities and older adults together, so we have an adrc in san francisco, and there are seven others across california. and hopefully what this means is we'll actually get some state funding for the first time instead of funding this solely with local funds.

ombudsman also got some much needed funding, which was really excited. when you think about what the ombudsman does is go out and look at the quality and the care in skilled nursing and assisted living facilities and they're much understaffed and underresourced, and so this was really exciting. and then, we also got, for the first time, some money for falls prevention, we all know that falls are so hazardous and quite often put people in the hospital and they often don't come out. so falls are bad. this is the first time that the state has put money into this.

locally, we had, on monday, something really exciting happen, and that was we had an older adult and disability work fair. and the office of economic and workforce development along with the community living campaign and the anything any time fund coalition put this together. we also had some funding partners who were really helpful in making it happen. but we had -- i don't know what the final count was, but it was really successful, and i think it showed to some people what the need and the appetite is

for work for older people and adults with disabilities. it was, i hope the beginning of a much stronger relationship with us along with our community partners and funders to think about, you know, what does this look like moving forward? how do we ensure that we're continuing to advocate for people with disabilities and people in the workforce? and also including diverse age and ability when what that does to the workforce and how that enhances it, and i think we just need to keep hammering that home. we are, through the community living campaign, our community

partner, are continuing to work with a creative agency, and they've come up with some ideas for us. and our work group has looked at all of them and we've kind of gotten down to one idea, and so now, the agency is talking about how to get the reframing ageing campaign out into the community. so hopefully in the next few months, we'll be seeing the fruit of that labor out and about town. i'm hoping when people see those things, they can photograph things that they see in town. for those of you that use social media, i think it's going to be really exciting, and i think there's going to be

community engagement, and i think that's going to be really crucial. and then, i'm going on and on. i'll take any questions if you have any. >> thank you, shireen. any comments or questions? >> not a question, but a comment. i was able to attend the workshop on monday. it was great to see so many different departments working together on this effort. it was crowded. it was the -- folks there were enthusiastic, both on the job seekers side, but also the employers who were there, they were doing on-site interviews, and you could just feel the excitement in the room, so l congratulations for the effort. >> thank you. and i do have one thing on my

list, and i just skipped over it. i talked a little bit about the name change for the department early on, and i just wanted to give you an update as to where that is right now. so president yee introduced the name change to the full board. it -- then, the proposed name change went to rules committee and passed out of rules committee and then was signed on by the full board. so the board is in the process of putting the proponent's argument on to the ballot? and so then, there's some activity that needs to happen after that, but then, we'll see what happens. one of the things is it does is it changes the name to department of disability and ageing services? so the fact that the department serves people with disabilities clearly, clearly in the name. and the second thing it does is it specifies the makeup of the

commission to ensure that there's a person with a disability on the commission and that there's a veteran on the commission, and older adult, which having an older adult on the commission has never been an issue, and we've always had that, but it specifies the other two, as well. so -- >> thank you. any other questions or comments for shireen? thank you. the next item is the employee recognition. the daas department and shireen will honor people from the department of adult protective and ageing services. [applause]

>> so i don't think we've honored anyone from adult protective services, so could everyone from adult protective services stand? [applause] >> so we all know adult protective services is such a critical service in counties and san francisco is no exception. our adult protective services program is particularly wonderful. i hear this all the time when i'm going around the state how well established our adult protective services program is, how we've really started using our data as to what the best practices are. i always tell the adult protective services people are when i see them, what you do is really hard works. it takes putting your education

into practice and figuring out ways to take care of yourselves, so we are so pleased to have you as are the people that you're working for all the time. so sayer, .. -- sarah, this is so well written, i'm going to read what they wrote about it. sarah has served as a protective services worker for the past 12 years. she is a licensed marriage and family therapist and has extensive experience with and knowledge of developmental stages and how the ageing process can affect one's ability to maintain one's independence, safety and protect oneself from abuse and neglect while living in the community. she utilizes her skills to set boundaries while working with complex family dynamics, and

she recognizes a person's ability to engage while accepting services. she's a strong advocate for her clients and applies -- during her years at adult protective services, sarah has mentored two interns from u.c. berkeley. this allowed her to further devel develop her leadership skills when helping many adults and elders resolve abuse and neglect issues. under her tutoring, the individuals gained skills to become important social workers in the community. she has participated in two aps retreat committees. sarah worked tirelessly on scheduling the monthly officer of the day schedule for the last three to four years.

these are just a few of sarah's attributes for making her an asset to the aps team. we commend her for protecting our ageing and adults in san francisco. [applause] s >> so sarah, on behalf of the department of ageing and adult services, you are the employee for the month of august. thank you. >> thank you. >> here. i think you should take this.

>> thank you. next is diane lauren with the advisory council report. good morning, diane. >> good morning. welcome. thank you. commissioners, the advisory council met in june and again in july. we did not take a summer break. we'll take that in december, and that was a decision of the council because we discussed whether we wanted to take july off, and they felt that the momentum was moving well, so why take a break. so my report is a june and july report. so basically, what -- one of the changes is the dignity fund and advisory oversight committee meets six times a year, so we have them on the

agenda after the meeting rather than put them on the agenda and say there's nothing to report. there's nothing to report in june, but in july, they reported that the additional $3 million that's allocated in the dignity fund legislation has been allocated. and at their september meeting, the dignity fund coalition will have a special discussion on the master plan on ageing. we had senior plan on action speaking to us at the june meeting regarding the pedestrian safety committee, and i'm not going to go into a lot of detail, but basically, he gave us a bit of history on vision zero, the goal of achieving a no death by 2024. doesn't look like we're on target to do that. things started out well, but over time, there's much more of a collaborative effort amongst the various groups in san francisco. while there was a decrease

initially in these, this has not been substantive over time. the coalition was a result of some of his collaborative work in the early 2000s, and it meets quarterly, and it's led by the sfmta, the department of safe streets for seniors, and people with disabilities program. and there were problem that still exists, a top-down approach, a high risk ability plan. he did say that in the community where presentations are made, changes are being made, and he specifically mentioned the excelsior,

although he didn't mention anything specific. he did say there needs to be the removal of bus shelters, but then, that's an impact to seniors and adults with disabilities, designated bike lanes, some of the slow improvements that have been agreed upon. there's been a current increase in pedestrians fatalities, and our nonaccessible streets and sidewalks at construction sites, and we see a lot of that as we go to 1650 mission. >> and president is serene, if could clarify that, seniors with disabilities for action. >> yes. i will make -- so we -- the lgbt updates, again, there's no

report in june, so we're going to continue to work on our pedestrian discussions. we had meeting with executive shireen about that. and then next, our lgbt updates, there was no report in june, but dr. adelman advised us that the facility will be opening in september, and open house and unlock will be working together in a hybrid approach. because dr. adelman also serves on the state commission on ageing, we had her give us a report on the latest commission meeting. she told us the group meets sixes times a year in various parts of the state and they do that so that they can go to

different senior facilities in the area where the meetings are held. the number one issue coming out of the meetings this year is housing. the commission itself had put together a master plan on ageing as did justice and ageing, and both groups found the same thing. justice and housing and economic security, housing information, and workforce. our membership committee gave a report. we have a number of openings. we've reached out to the five supervisors for their district. we have a call with one, from supervisor yee's district, district 11, on friday -- and we are -- or not district 11, district 7, and she will be attending our august meeting to get a feel, and the responses are cycling back in. there were no site visit reports given in june, and that

was deliberate because we're trying to do more -- give them time to do site visits every other month. so july was our site visit report month. we had two site visits. we had about two more that we needed to do, but we ran out of time because we had quite a bit of discussion on one of them. so that was the stanford hotel, which is the meal program, and then, also the west portal clubhouse, which is a fairly new nutrition site in the west portal area. and then, we had a guest presentation by building together on their build the block program. and then, our meeting this month will be a presentation on the area plan for 2021 to 2025. six members of the council attended the workforce job fair on monday. it was excellent.

the energy and the -- it was nice to see the public sector and the community-based organization and collaborative effort, and then, two supervisors were there, supervisor brown and supervisor fewer, as well as the mayor, and i think that gave it a lot of extra energy. >> okay. thank you, diane. diane, just a question on the pedestrian safety issue. i understand the logical focus on automobile accidents and streets and with the bike lanes, but the city keeps approving additional motorized vehicles. often, they are on you can sidewalks, and often, there seems to be very poor enforcement of bicycles on sidewalks. the sidewalks as you pointed out are treacherous enough

without these motor vised vehicles, and when you add the motor vised vehicles coming up behind you, it's as much a danger as crossing the street. >> i was thinking of that when i was walking here and a scooter almost knocked me down, and there were horns honking as an on call ride sharing service was blocking a lane. yeah, that has come up. we're not quite sure what to do about it. we've spent a lot of time talking about safe streets. i actually am on the safe -- my sidewalks in front of my house have now been targeted for work under the safe street program, so i'm a case study for the pedestrian safety group, but we have talked a lot about that. and that is an issue that keeps coming up in all these groups, so yeah, that is a concern. >> commissioner knutzen. >> i attended all of these meetings myself because i kind

of nominated myself as pedestrian safety. what we've described it as a movement that is really taking shape here. a lot of movement of sf walk and a lot of other groups that have been in existence for a while, they're all part of the coalition -- >> commissioner, can you please speak into the mic? >> yeah. i'm sorry. and we do have good staff members that participate in these meetings as well as advisory committee, so all of these things we are participating in and giving a voice to. what i am releasing is pedestrians, it is a movement in evolution. you might have always known what the bicycle coalition was doing, and in many ways, they're a model for us. but what's happening around pedestrian safety is as things are designed, it's all about getting into the design of the work plans, and the design of

bike lanes, and the design of construction plans. so, like, everything you get into, it's always drilling down into the details and knowing how you can effect change. and i'm really heartened by the fact that some of these pedestrian safety groups are really getting involved in making those changes. and it's like when you build a park in san francisco, and everybody gets involved, and give people get involved in the park so it meets many things. so the pedestrians people are engaged in that and that's a good example of how they're trying to make sure that how

pedestrians can stay safe, we're -- i feel like there's a role that we're sort of all playing, and that there's a role in the advocacy around this, but a lot of it is just drilling down to these details and how you get a voice to m.t.a. when they're designing something. that helps a little bit, but all of those things when people start to talk about it, they're all being brought up. but it's being integrated into public policy is what i think is happening. >> and i think the thing that we've found is the work that was done on the vanness corridor, which i know commissioner surena and

commissioner knutzen live on, that was moving on out to the gary street process. that's going to be a long, multi, probably decade process, but i see that as a good sign. >> a lot of people are getting involved. >> and just making us aware of the myriad of groups and sometimes, you know, showing up at the meetings where appropriate so that we point out the needs for older adults and adults with -- and persons with disabilities. you see some changes in the crossing. it's still red while pedestrians are allowed to cross. or i've noticed right around here, the cars are supposed to

stop back further, and then, the crosswalk, so there's a buffer. i think there needs to be some outreach to tell drivers that those are -- >> that's the next step. >> commissioner pappas? >> yes. is there a particular part under which all of this falls? >> it's the planning part of it. it's like getting involved in the environmental impact report phase of things, so it's a lot of collective -- it's not a department per se, but it's getting involved in the planning part where they're actually designing -- doing the design of it, and that's where you have to have a voice so that things get designed in a way that is safer for