which largely focus on deceiving design, which we have committed to providing additional forward facing seats, lowering the seat height, and increasing the opportunity to increase the onboard and health system. as we have discussed in previous meetings, those passenger enhancements will be retrofitted back into the fleet as well. i am pleased to have the opportunity to have -- to have you here from our union partners on the vehicle. we have been working now with two generations of union leadership to improve these vehicles. and we try to address concerns and some of the improvements that we have already made.

i also shared by e-mail this board and a response to a recent article that talks about white out for the cameras, and unfortunately, i believe there were several inaccuracies to that article. one of which is that the issue of glare is not unique to the l.r.p. four or the fact that we use cameras instead of mirrors. the glare is most acute at west portal, which is why 15 years ago, we actually put up a convex mirror to provide additional availability -- visibility for our operators, which is part of how they are currently trained. [please stand by]

>> we have, as part of the costing package that we originally brought to you, we have some place holder costs for what we anticipate things to be, so something like the flat wheels, which is an issue that both operators and mechanics have been raising for a long time are already built into that overall package that we brought, and at this time, we do not anticipate that package changing significantly, but there's still a lot of work to do as we get to those final estimates. so that's essentially where we are today. i know you had a long meeting, so i won't -- i won't go into too much more detail. i am committed to continuing these conversations. i know there's not an august meeting, but we will be back in september and i'm very hopeful that we'll start to see some

strong traction on those 90-day goals and really start to seeing these vehicles get to where we need them to be. >> chair peskin: thank you for your candor, the good news, the not-so-good news, but really appreciate your constant updates to the sfcta. are there any questions to miss kirschbaum from members? supervisor safai? >> supervisor safai: yes. thank you, miss kirschbaum, the flat wheels, i didn't see anything in your presentation, but that was the real reason that i wanted to have this presentation. what we learned from previous presentations is there's the way you all are training or have asked the operators to operate these vehicles is to hit the emergency mushroom versus using the manual break.

the mushroom worked well, i think on the older brada -- is that how you say it? >> brada. >> supervisor safai: i heard a life span of 100,000 miles versus 120,000. i know it is a mechanism that you just talked about. you'd have to ask the contractor, siemens to retrofit and change. what's the cost of that overall to the entire system to fix that defect that was not known before purchase? >> it's about 30,000 per vehicle and about $5 million to $6 million total. >> supervisor safai: so is that something you'll have to come back for approval or is that something you're asking the

t.a. for? >> it's build into the package and prop k is one of the several funding sources that will go to address the overall replacement costs of these two. >> supervisor safai: so this was something that you would say based on the training of the operators because of what i heard you say about the whole emergency situations that people are safe, you taught them to hit the mushroom, and that's something that you've continued with the new system, the siemens? >> to clarify, we put a strong focus on using the mushroom on the brada vehicles. it was a campaign that took place a couple years ago, and it was based on some very serious safety issues, when we provided operators with familiarization on the new

vehicle, we did highlight that you can get to the emergency break from the t-stick, but many operators use that muscle memory and use that mushroom break when they have to make a life-or-death decision. so we think that is a reality of operating two fleets at the same time. we will be continuing to operate a mixed fleet for the next four to six years, and during that time, we'll want to make sure to have as high a vehicle availability as possible. >> supervisor safai: so for you, it was a safety issue. that was why you didn't update the training and you encouraged the operators to use the

mushroom. is that what you're saying? >> we have made a strong investment in operators using the emergency button on the brada, which is the safest course of action. that same muscle memory they're using when they use the l.r.v.-4's. we're not training them that way on the l.r.v.-4's, but that's what they do on the brada training. >> supervisor safai: so you're not encouraging them to use the mushroom on the brada? >> we are not. >> supervisor safai: so you're going to ask the $5 million to fix this? >> yes. >> supervisor safai: so can we ask why that wasn't anticipated

when you purchased the new vehicles because they're, what, $3 million or $3.5 million a vehicle? >> thank you for that question. it is something that we learned along the way. so one of the things that we don't -- that we have learned with the l.r.v.-4's is the frequency of which operators are encountering these types of emergency situations where they need to use that. i think we underestimated the impact of operating two fleets, and that operators would need

to maintain all of their brada skills while also adapting to the new vehicle. >> supervisor safai: and how much does this -- so you have to make a $6 million -- you're going to ask for a $6 million investment to change the brand-new vehicles that you just bought to accommodate this training. but before you do that, how much does it cost -- i understand you get flat wheels. what is it costing you for the system with that manner of using the emergency break rather than using a t-stick? >> it's having two types of impacts. the first is that we have several vehicles that have had their wheels flattened too many times, and the entire wheel system needs to be replaced.

>> supervisor safai: and what's the cost of that? [inaudible] >> -- so there's a customer impact such as crowding on our busy routes. >> supervisor safai: i mean, i guess, again, i just -- i know that -- again, i'm not accusing you. you just came into the position, but it makes no sense to me that we spend millions and millions of dollars on new vehicles, and we didn't anticipate vehicle replacements, we didn't anticipate training hours, we

didn't anticipate trains being offline because we have one manner in which we've been training people to use one train, and that doesn't translate into the new train system. so it's not really a $6 million increase, it's significantly more than that from missing the opportunity to understand -- and again, this is not my area of expertise, this is your department's area of expertise, but it seems as though when you would be purchasing a vehicle, you would also understand or work with the operators to understand where they are in terms of the tool or the machine that they're going to use to make this system effective. so again, i just asked the question. why didn't that happen? why were they not brought into the conversation to try to anticipate this stuff? because you know, trains not being out the door means there's not trains -- and means there's a decrease in service in the system which decreases delays and frustration all over the city. it's very much what we as

member of the t.a. and supervisors hear most frequently about the m.t.a. there's not justienough vehicl the road. you seem to have went through a process of negotiation, and that went well, and now, we're going to hire more operators, but it seems like this neverending cycle that, no pun intended, mushroom into these large issues for the agency. >> i think we share a common goal of trying to deliver excellent service for our customers and adjust problems as we see them, so i understand your attempt to i sign blame, and i apologize -- assign blame, and i apologize that i may not have the best

understanding up to this point, but we are committed to our partners and moving forward on what is the best solution to this issue, which is putting additional track breaks on the vehicle. the testing of the brakes has been going smoothly. we anticipate in the next month or two, we'll be bringing it to the cpuc which is our safety and regulatory body and move from there. and i'm happy to answer any other questions. >> supervisor safai: i actually would like to hear from the operators to hear some of the insight that they have and as it pertains to some of the particular issues that they have with the old and new

l.r.v.'s. >> earlier everybody was talking to safety, and safety pertaining to traffic, safety pertaining to pedestrians. i'd like to talk about one word, blame, b-l-a-m-e. if and when these new l.r.v.-4's, i'd like to ask you to please not blame the operators for manufacturing defects. operators asked for a rearview mirror to be able to see in the back of their cab. there's a rearview mirror that doesn't see anything, can't see anything. operators asked for mirrors on the side of their trains so they could hopefully prevent people from being dragged under the trains as we've seen in the past couple of months, little old ladies and senior citizens. two virtually identical situations of senior citizens being dragged under trains due

to faulty doors. very similar situations, however, the people that get blamed with it are the operators. i brought with me ramon galderamez, and he's more of an expert than i am. i only drove the p.c.c.s, and he drove the light rail, so he has a much more understanding of the defects related to the bradas, the l.r.v.-4's. however, i want everybody to take that word, b-l-a-m-e. it's not the operator's fault that they have a monitor approximately this size right here inside their vehicle in which they're supposed to look 150, 160 feet back. and on top of that, their monitor whites out, as we've

seen through the reporting that's been done on the -- some news stations. so please, let's just take that word into consideration and try and shift that blame, that focus. with that in mind, i'd like to bring up ramon galdamez. >> good morning, commissioners. i'm ramon galdamez. i've been with the department 18 years. the light rail operators are deeply concerned about the safety mechanism in place on the lrv-4's. they are concerned with the lrv-4 not stopping in a timely manner. as you all know, the lrv-4 has many issues, including a safety

efficiency. something needs to be done. we are being instructed to apply this. proper planning appropriates poor performance. they should have come to this. actually, i may know more about this equipment than i know about my wife. i spend 10, 12 hours on a daily basis. we are responsible for this equipment. as i stand before you, i am asking you to reconsider before we let this unat ttamed lion o dinosaur into the street. with that said, i will please implore you. i have had numbers of conversations and discussions with m.t.a. team, and it seems like to be they are going down the tube. they are reluctant to do something about it because the trains are here, and we realize

that being here means they're going to force for us to adjust and to accommodate ourselves rather than saying we have something here that is something here that we have to deal with but it's something that's not being built. thank you. >> supervisor safai: thank you, gentlemen. i'm happy to have someone else ask questions. but what i heard loud and clear, it doesn't sound like there was a lot of consultation with the operators when purchasing this. i guess, miss kirschbaum, if you could come back up, i have a couple questions. all those contracts with siemens -- are all the lrv's purchased and are we stuck with siemens going forward, or is this the only option that you all are committed to?

>> i believe that addressing the design issues that we're facing with the current vehicle is our best option the alternative would be to start from scratch and replace the bradas on a much slower time frame. it's anticipated that the first vehicles would arrive six years from now, and until then, we would continue to operate them as best we could, which would not be very good for at least ten years. and it's also very unlikely that the next vehicle that we purchased would not be -- -- it would likely be more expensive. >> supervisor safai: one of the

things that i heard you say yesterday that was positive was that now that you have discovered this issue with the breaking mechanism going forward, the new siemens vehicles will be retrofitted, and you won't have all the mechanic hours and replacement -- is that correct? >> yes. >> supervisor safai: so because we've anticipated this short coming, we can go forward. what about some of the other things that you heard? rearview mirrors, monitors being so small that they white out? have you heard these concerns from the operators? >> yes, and that was the intent of my slide six was to talk about the improvements that we've made, the improvements that we have finalized the design on, and the improvements that we are working closely to

finalize, including replacing the monitoring to a ten-inch screen. >> supervisor safai: but i don't see mirrors on that. >> the mirror that ramon was commenting on was considered, but we are not planning ongoing to an exterior mirror. we believe that the monitors offer enhanced visibility. >> supervisor safai: i know that commissioner walton wanted to ask some questions through the chair. >> commissioner walton? >> supervisor walton: i think you asked the questions i had. >> supervisor safai: having worked with organizatied laborr

almost a decade, that was often missed. when we're crafting legislation and policies, we're not thinking about people that are actually doing the work and on the front lines, and i think it causes these types of mishaps, and in our situation, it's costing millions and millions of dollars and could have been anticipated better, for sure, including some of the people that actually do the work. mirrors, monitors, but training in terms of braking 'seems to e a very obvious thing. mr. marenco, did you have something else that you wanted to add? >> well, i just wanted to say

that our communication is impro improving, and with the help of ramon, the agency has been addressing them, so we are in the process of remedying as many safety issues as we possibly can. it's just unfortunately it's just somewhat time-consuming. we're not against bringing in any time of new vehicle because we're all with the hopes of improving our overall general lifestyle in transportation and just improving. however, what it is that we're operating has to be in a safe manner, it has to be done in a safe manner, so we are definitely in the process of trying to fix whatever little quirks or safety issues that arise. >> supervisor safai: thank you. and i'll just say, having been a commissioner here for 2.5 years, this is the first time that we've actually had someone from organized labor come in to the sfmta.

so i would say particularly when it comes to light rails or any other operation in terms of mechanics or decisions that are being made, i would encourage the transportation authority and the leadership of the sfmta to have that conversation up front. we want to invite you back on a more frequent basis so you can be part of these conversations up front so that you're not an afterthought and we're not spending millions of dollars to correct something that you and your operators could have anticipated very easily. so thank you for taking the time and sitting here with us. thank you, mr. chair, and thank you, miss kirschbaum. >> chair mandelman: we do have some public comment. >> hi, everyone. thank you for a very interesting meeting today.

and i also want to thank julie for your report that changes are being made, so i appreciate that. i just want to say one little thing about the operator situation. he feels very concerned about being blinded by the cameras, and he would like the rearview mirrors back. there's a strong vote for mirrors. okay. so now, i want to address another issue of health and safety, which is the number of passenger seats. and i want to first say that i was in a hard stop in the tunnel at 36 miles an hour and it was only the seats that stopped our motion. i am concerned about sudden

braking in these open cars, and i am worried that people will get thrown about and hurt. since i was also injured sitting sw sitting sideways in the new cars, i interviewed last fall the muni riders and found out that half liked the new cars and half didn't. it was the same 50% that the 2014 survey that the muni got. they didn't like the trains where they wanted to sit, so at least seats are coming back, which is good. oh, 30 seconds, okay. i'm very concerned, a lot of people are getting injured sitting sideways, and i interviewed 400 more in march. they told me think have sciatica, they have scoliosis, they have pregnancy, back problems, motion sickness, a rod in the back. i have lyme disease. my joints are unstable.

we need the forward seat does back, and -- seats back, and i'm also concerned about the double number. i would like to see forward seats as part of a health and safety design in these new cars. >> supervisor mandelman: next speaker. >> vice chair mandelman, this is a very important issue as i ride the subway often. i'm paying for this in two ways. i tap my clipper® card, and then, 1% out of every sales tax pays for that, so i've got some standing here. safety above all -- and this is very complex work. i read that the new york city

subway, which i'm sure some of you have been on. if not, i encourage you to try it. has 16 different types of vehicle in active service, some of which go back to 1964, so i would like to see how they manage slotting employees into 16 different types of vehicles. we have to work on our mean distance between failures. i'm seeing as 5,000, 6,000 miles between failures. that's the range of the new york city subways back in the days of the graffiti, and the broken lights and all of that. they worked through that, but they still have issues that they have to solve. i mention to you as a person of disabilities, that sideways seats are very important to me. i ask that you not totally eliminate the sideways facing

seats. some sideways facing seats must be preserved in these vehicles. i'm not saying it has to be one or the other. there must be a reasonable mix. i do not have to explain to you my reasons for my disabilities, but please do not eliminate the sideways facing seats, and remember, safety above all. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. are there any other members of the public who would like to speak before i close public comment? >> good afternoon, edward mason. i'm really disappointed that this is a 30-year decision and consequently to me, it's a 30-year disappointment. the flat wheels is continuing. when i came down today at 24th and church on a grade, the vehicle seemed to have the wheels spin before it would engage and get traction.

the acceleration is slow, and also, the door opening and closing is slow, so that's probably going to impact reliability of the system overall. we still have chatter and jerky stops at 18 and church periodically. it's not consistent, but it's still in existence. so my only comment is it is what it is, unfortunately, and the seating arrangement, you know, should go to more transfer seats and also blue seats. and on the -- in the slide, there was announcement improvement. we do not have daytime on the new siemens cars, we do a date time on the brada cars, and i can't believe that we're not having that feature on the

siemens cars. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. is there any other members of the public who want to speak on this item? seeing none, public comment is now closed. mr. clerk, please call the next item. [agenda item read]. >> supervisor mandelman: colleagues, are there any new items? seeing -- well, is there any public comment on this item? seeing none. [gavel]. >> supervisor mandelman: mr. clerk, please call the next item. >> clerk: item 18, general public comment. >> supervisor mandelman: we have two speakers, and anyone else who wants to address us during general public comment please lineup at the right of the room. >> next wednesday, july 31, will conclude five years since the corporate commuter bus program was initiated on friday, august 1, 2014. there have been 4,248 placards

issued to buses and currently based on a public records request, there are 711 buses operating in san francisco. these are -- plus the scoff law buses that don't have a sticker on them as they blend into the armada. trying to get a public records request, and these records are incomplete. but there have been over 2100 complaints registered, and i received the list for 157 pages, but that is not inclusive of the entire five-year period. administrative penalties through december of '17 have amounted to $1,011,058.

citations ending in january '18 were 5,038 citations issued for over $708,000. we now have over 200 buses on 24 street, up from 160 buses last report. so my question is in the preliminary plan of 2050 that's being prepared by the m.t.c., there's no solution for removing these buses off of 24 street or from the city as a whole. so i think we're just getting inundated with these inner city buses over our neighborhood. thank you very much. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you. next speaker. >> vice chair mandelman, i love

a public meeting. i can't seem to get enough of them. i hope to be back with you all again, and i feel that this agency should have a regional perspective on things. i don't want us to be us versus them because we are all san francisco. even though i do not sleep in san francisco, i'm here with you now. i am san francisco today, and i look forward to being san francisco tomorrow. and so i come to you as a passionate and unapologetic user of diverse means of mobility. i ride muni.

i think it's important that we focus on traffic enforcement for both vehicles and also two-wheeled conveyances and traffic enforcement because i want to be safe out there if i'm driving a car -- of which i do have a nevada driver's license in good standing or riding a bike or scooter or walking or riding in a public transit conveyance. we must have good traffic enforcement, robust traffic enforcement to hold people accountable to traffic law. just as i follow vehicle traffic law, i expect everybody to do the same and manage our speed so we can all operate in harmony on the streets of san francisco. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you.

are there any other members of the public who would like to speak in public comment today? seeing none, public comment is closed. mr. clerk, do we have any other items before us today? >> clerk: item 19, adjournment. >> supervisor mandelman: great. then we are adjourned.

>> growing up in san francisco has been way safer than growing up other places we we have that bubble, and it's still that bubble that it's okay to be whatever you want to. you can let your free flag fry he

-- fly here. as an adult with autism, i'm here to challenge people's idea of what autism is. my journey is not everyone's journey because every autistic child is different, but there's hope. my background has heavy roots in the bay area. i was born in san diego and adopted out to san francisco when i was about 17 years old. i bounced around a little bit here in high school, but i've always been here in the bay. we are an inclusive preschool, which means that we cater to emp. we don't turn anyone away. we take every child regardless of race, creed, religious or ability. the most common thing i hear in

my adult life is oh, you don't seem like you have autism. you seem so normal. yeah. that's 26 years of really, really, really hard work and i think thises that i still do. i was one of the first open adoptions for an lgbt couple. they split up when i was about four. one of them is partnered, and one of them is not, and then my biological mother, who is also a lesbian. very queer family. growing up in the 90's with a queer family was odd, i had the bubble to protect me, and here, i felt safe. i was bullied relatively infrequently. but i never really felt isolated or alone. i have known for virtually my entire life i was not suspended, but kindly asked to not ever bring it up again in first grade, my desire to have a sex change.

the school that i went to really had no idea how to handle one. one of my parents is a little bit gender nonconforming, so they know what it's about, but my parents wanted my life to be safe. when i have all the neurological issues to manage, that was just one more to add to it. i was a weird kid. i had my core group of, like, very tight, like, three friends. when we look at autism, we characterize it by, like, lack of eye contact, what i do now is when i'm looking away from the camera, it's for my own comfort. faces are confusing. it's a lack of mirror neurons in your brain working properly to allow you to experience empathy, to realize where somebody is coming from, or to realize that body language means that. at its core, autism is a social disorder, it's a neurological

disorder that people are born with, and it's a big, big spectrum. it wasn't until i was a teenager that i heard autism in relation to myself, and i rejected it. i was very loud, i took up a lot of space, and it was because mostly taking up space let everybody else know where i existed in the world. i didn't like to talk to people really, and then, when i did, i overshared. i was very difficult to be around. but the friends that i have are very close. i click with our atypical kiddos than other people do. in experience, i remember when i was five years old and not wanting people to touch me because it hurt. i remember throwing chairs because i could not regulate my own emotions, and it did not mean that i was a bad kid, it

meant that i couldn't cope. i grew up in a family of behavioral psychologists, and i got development cal -- developmental psychology from all sides. i recognize that my experience is just a very small picture of that, and not everybody's in a position to have a family that's as supportive, but there's also a community that's incredible helpful and wonderful and open and there for you in your moments of need. it was like two or three years of conversations before i was like you know what? i'm just going to do this, and i went out and got my prescription for hormones and started transitioning medically, even though i had already been living as a male. i have a two-year-old. the person who i'm now married to is my husband for about two years, and then started gaining weight and wasn't sure, so i we

went and talked with the doctor at my clinic, and he said well, testosterone is basically birth control, so there's no way you can be pregnant. i found out i was pregnant at 6.5 months. my whole mission is to kind of normalize adults like me. i think i've finally found my calling in early intervention, which is here, kind of what we do. i think the access to irrelevant care for parents is intentionally confusing. when i did the procespective search for autism for my own child, it was confusing. we have a place where children can be children, but it's very confusing. i always out myself as an adult with autism. i think it's helpful when you know where can your child go. how i'm choosing to help is to

give children that would normally not be allowed to have children in the same respect, kids that have three times as much work to do as their peers or kids who do odd things, like, beach therapy. how do -- speech therapy. how do you explain that to the rest of their class? i want that to be a normal experience. i was working on a certificate and kind of getting think early childhood credits brefore i started working here, and we did a section on transgender inclusion, inclusion, which is a big issue here in san francisco because we attract lots of queer families, and the teacher approached me and said i don't really feel comfortable or qualified to talk about this from, like, a cisgendered straight person's perspective, would you mind talking a little bit with your own experience, and i'm like absolutely. so i'm now one of the guest

speakers in that particular class at city college. i love growing up here. i love what san francisco represents. the idea of leaving has never occurred to me. but it's a place that i need to fight for to bring it back to what it used to be, to allow all of those little kids that come from really unsafe environments to move somewhere safe. what i've done with my life is work to make all of those situations better, to bring a little bit of light to all those kind of issues that we're still having, hoping to expand into a little bit more of a resource center, and this resource center would be more those new parents who have gotten that diagnosis, and we want to be this one centralized place that allows parents to breathe for a second. i would love to empower from the bottom up, from the kid level, and from the top down, from the teacher level. so many things that i would love to do that are all about changing people's minds about certain chunts, like the transgender community or the

autistic community. i would like my daughter to know there's no wrong way to go through life. everybody experiences pain and grief and sadness, and that all of those things are temporary. >> hi, i'm with building san francisco. and we have a special program of stay safe today where we're going to talk about what you can do to your home after an earthquake to make it waterproof and to be more comfortable. we're here at spur in san francisco, this wonderful exhibit of safe enough to stay. and this is an example of what your home might be like after an earthquake. and we have today with us ben latimer from tvan. thank you for joining us.

>> thank you. >> we'll talk about things you can do you don't have to be a professional contractor to make your home more livable after an earthquake. >> i want to talk about things a homeowner can do. we have comfort and we have things like a little bit of maybe safety if your front door is ajar and waterproofing if you have a leak in your roof, or if you have broken glass on the window. >> so unr, one of the most important fib use is keeping outside out and inside in. let's look at windows. >> let's assume this window is broken in the earthquake. we have wind and rain blowing in. one of the most important things you need to do as a homeowner is secure the plastic properly. if you just take staples or nails and put them into the plastic, we're going to get a strong wind and rip it right off. what i'm going to have somebody do is they're going to have -- this is an old piece of shingle. you might have -- everybody has a piece of wood in their basement. it doesn't have to be fancy. they take out this rusty screw

begun, and hopefully you have one of these. >> there is one at the neighborhood support center. >> at the neighborhood support center. you're going to wrap this plastic around this board, take your screw. and then screw that in. >> you need a permit for this? >> you do need a permit for this. and you can contact the former head building inspector to get that permit. that's it. now when the wind blows, it's tight and it's not going to pull through, having a single point of contact. >> great. what about this door? take a look at this door. what can you do? let's say it doesn't shut tight. what can you do? >> for the sake of argument, we're on the inside. i can't lock my door at night. i have a very similar, very similar idea. i'm going to take my 2 by 4. i can put it across the jamb in the door.

one. two. maybe i want another one up here, maybe another one down there. but i can go to sleep. and that quickly, i can get it off in the morning. >> terrific. what about the roof up here? we see people throw blue tarps over their roof after an earthquake. that seems reasonable. >> i think the blue tarp is reasonable. the things that people want to know that they need to know is if you have multiple tarps, how you overlap. starting from the bottom and moving up so that you're overlapping this way. so, rain running down doesn't slide under your tarp. >> right. >> and the same technique we did over here, as silly as it may sound, wrapping the end of that blue tarp with your board and then securing that if you can underneath, if you have to on top is fine. but making sure that you don't have an area where the wind is going to get under and bill owe that tarp. >> the wind can rip it right off. >> and then you're back up there again. >> let's go inside and check out what we can do inside. >> old fun. here we go.

>> so, ben, i see you have nails, universal tool right here. >> man's best friend. duct tape. let me show you a couple things we can use this for after an earthquake. this window right here, because it's off kilter, we have open seams all along. i have a lot of air coming through. i want to stay comfortable at night. i want to keep that air out. it's as simple as that, all the way around. >> excellent. >> now i don't have any air coming in. let's say this one is one that would annoy me. everything is a little off. my doors won't stay closed. i take a piece of my favorite duct tape here, close it up. and at least it will stay out of my way when i'm trying to live throughout my day. if we're not talking about pressurized water, we're talking about just the drain, sometimes they're going to get a crack here. >> right, sure. >> and you're going to get a leak. duct tape around that is going to help us get through until we can get a plumber out and get that fixed as well. let's say we only have electricity in one room, so

we're running extension cords across the house. if i'm going to run an extension cord from one room to the other, i don't want kids tripping on it. i don't want to trippon it. i take my trusty duct tape, tape it to the floor, and i don't have to worry about it getting kicked. >> great, great. look at this. let's look at the duct tape here because we see a big -- >> yes. in the event of an earthquake, i don't think we're going to have too many -- too much debris that's safe to put into a plastic bag, even as strong as it might be. these are called vice bags. this is what they use to put rice and things when they ship it. this is something where i take my glass, i can take broken pieces of wood, i can take anything sharp and fill it. and it's not going to puncture and come out. it's not going to fall all over the floor. i've not going to have it sticking out, maybe scratch myself, cut myself or anything like that. these are a great thing to have. >> you have a little go-to box for emergencies. that's great. thanks very much for joining us, ben. it's really been interesting. and i want to thank you all for

joining us here at the spur urban center. and we'll see you again [ gavel ]. >> good morning, everyone. the meeting will come to order. this is the july 24, 2019, regular meeting of the budget and finance committee. i am sandra lee fewer, i am joined by supervisor catherine stefani and supervisor mar who is sitting in today. our clerk is ms. linda wong. colleagues may i