it has been a handful. >> they have appeal processes as well? >> that's correct. >> what is the appeal process? >> if it is for work related injury, the appeal process goes through the state's workers' compensation system, and a independent physician will add e whether there is permanent or not. that is separate from the city and county of san francisco. >> the severity in terms of approval going back to work has to do based on the return to duty clearance, is that correct? >> can you repeat that? >> again, i understand the members have to go to you to get clearance to return to work. >> yes. >> you are the primary person to make that decision in terms of clearance to work? >> within the department, yes. >> in terms of inference of

being terminated within the department it is in that parameter if you and your office make a recommendation if the member can be medically approved to prove on. if the member can't be medically approved to move on, you make that determination? >> correct. for work related injury always under the guidance of the division of workers' compensation. if the division of workers' compensation accepts the findings of the independent physician, we have the obligation to follow the guidance that is handed to us by the division of workers' compensation. for non-work related injury, it is a totally different path. that is a process that is handled through the division of human resources.

and the appeals process in that avenue, again, goes through the department of -- the division of human resources and it is separate from the department. >> last question. it says on one of your bullet points return to work. perform fitness for duty examinations at the member's request or request at the department. you get requests from the individual members for fitness exams? >> well, for example, if they have undergone treatment with their personal physician for nonindustrial illness or injury and their doctor has advised them that may be they shouldn't perform firefighting or some

other task or job, they may come to us. they may say, hey, my doctor said this. what do we need to do to rule it in or out? then we engage the member and say talk to your doctor about doing this test or this functional test. let's find out where you it is in this continuum. >> it is for them to get support from you and your doctor's office so they can have some case justification to return be to work, is that what i am hearing? >> if the doctor says i don't think it is a good idea t to go back they can say, hey, look, we understand your concerns. you may not know there is a functional test to use as guidance for deciding whether it

is appropriate for the member to come back or not. there has been a handful of situations where thanks to that functional test we were able to keep the member at work. >> you answered my comment in terms how many incidents. you said a handful. thank you. at the request of the department so the department officers make requests for you to see a member, is that correct? >> yes, it will go through chain of command and administration will call us to evaluate the member and the member will come to our office. >> thank you very much, chief nicholson. >> did you want to speak? just a quick clarification. the urinalsis testing is supported by the san francisco firefighters cancer prevention foundation. 798 is a donate or and

supporter. i have been told there is an individual in the room who would like to make public comment, misunderstood you asked for im beforehand. if you can open it up after, that is up to you. >> commissioner hardeman you had something to verbalize? >> thank you. i don't know if you have the answer to this question, doctor. can you clarify the financial or other distinctions that go, including return to work when a person is on workers comp or state disability? how does that person financially affected and return to work affected if they are hurt off the job versus on the job?

>> two different scenarios. if they have juror illness that prevents them from working and that injury or illness is not work-related, then they have to use their accumulated time balances to restitute their pay. it will be sick pay or if they have time coming, vacation, the department has leave policies in place that facilitate use of the member's accumulated time balances, but they actually have to petition the department. they have to give the department notice they need to use their accumulated time balances. >> as related to their seniority

and their pension, do you know what those differences would be? >> i am not sure i understand the question. >> if they are in an off the job injury, they fall down stairs at home or break a leg or something, what effects does that have on their pension? do the pension benefits continue when you are on the job injury? >> that is an hr question. >> as long as the member is being paid. if they are able to use sick pay or vacation or if they are on a temporary modified duty, as long as they are being paid, they are covered. it is when you are not being paid. i am not sure what the time period is that those benefits

can become at risk. >> as far as seniority? >> na stays. >> that stays the same. they don't get ducted for being injured off the job? >> if they off on leave without pay for a year, that will affect their pension. that year won't count towards their pension. does that make sense? >> i didn't think you had all of the answers but i had to go through you. >> thank you very much. commissioner cleveland. >> doctor, one question. in our meeting the other day i asked you what is your biggest challenge in the job as department physician? you answered that it was dealing with the power culture ingrained against being healthy and fit,

and that you felt the union was not supportive. can you elaborate more on what you believe are your biggest challenges as our department doctor? >> one truth is that health, a person's health is very personal. i understand that. if someone is not in good health, meaning they have some illness or some injury, they are not going to talk about it much, and they are not going to talk about it much because it is personal. they don't feel the need that they need to talk about this with anyone else. they may talk to their doctor about it, their personal

physician. that is always welcome. but they may not talk to anybody at work about it, okay. >> including you? >> including me and anyone in my office. i think the fact that individuals hold their health information close to heart, you know, you can say that about anyone in the u.s. work force, but it is a little bit more acute in the fire department. that is not a criticism, that is just a statement of fact. trying to work within that belief system can be very, very challenging. it can impact the exchange of

information, of necessary information, when our office is tasked with deciding whether it is safe for this individual to come back to work or not so they may not provide full disclosure. thankfully, that doesn't happen commonly. it is an uncommon occurrence but it is one of the challenges introduced by the fact people hold their health information close to heart. i am not being critical. it is not necessarily a bad thing. >> thank you very much. at this point i think we have concluded. i am going to respect the request of chief nicholson. there is a member of the public to comment. thank you very much, doctor. we have to go through the process of the rest of the

agenda. please remain. the member of the public that would like to comment, plea approach the podium and identify yourself. since you have came here we would like to afford you this opportunity. >> i am dan casey. i am an ems captain in station 49. i am here in my role as director from the executive board of local 798, and we understand there are updates and reviews of the physician's office. i will try to be brief. i want to address a couple things that came up. this has been our first formal opportunity to address our members' lack of confidence from doctor raymond terrazas' performance. this is our first formal opportunity. two main categories.

interactions fall under people who have had uncomfortable and sometimes inappropriate interactions with the doctor and unnecessary obstacles and delays in the return to duty process. i personally have worked with three members who have engaged the same attorney in order to facilitate their return to duty when they have gone through our physician's office, been told they need certain tests, they get the tests then they are told to see an additional specialist. the doctor does not take these specialists' opinions, and then further moves out the return to duty process and causing great stress to our members. these are people who want to come back to work. they are people who actually have been deemed by outside

specialists as able to do the job. they are facing unnecessary and unreasonable expectations from our physician's office. to address commissioner's question regarding preventative care. we have in the care had a health check program that was collaborative between management and labor. participation dwindled because of lack of confidence. members are not willing to share health information with the physician's office. we understand that the department physician has a difficult job and must make some hard decisions in terms of whether or not a member is fittor duty, and that can mean someone's livelihood. at the same time if the members do not have confidence they are going to be dealt fairly and in

an ex pedish us manner that destroys the ability of the department physician to adequately serve the membership. thank you. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. any other member of the public wishes to give public comment. public comment is closed. thank you very much. that concludes this report. >> item 5. report from cleave of department on current issues and current activities and events within the department since the fire department commission meeting including budget, special events, communications and outreach to government agencies and the public. >> thank you very much, madam secretary. chief nicholsochief nicholson. >> this is my report from two meetings an go since i missed

the last one. i i want to thank chief wyrsch for standing in for me. in september i spoke on the 12th at the mission high school's first fire and ems program. they have a great thing going there. i hope we can continue that moving forward. on the 13th we had a department emergency management policy group table top exercise. that includes a lot of department heads from the controller, police chief, mayor, and so forth and so on. that is an ongoing effort through the dem. you may have seen i was interviewed by channel 2 on the level zero issues. that came out on monday night. i was interviewed by heather

homes. on the 21st we had the battle kickoff. we picked up a lot of bags of trash. it was really well attended. cd2 and 3 have met with father green regarding his upcoming retirement and where this department is going to head in the direction in terms of chaplains and spiritual support. we are speaking with several members of the chief deputies, sort of their chaplains and spiritual support people to, you know, get a good idea in terms of what we need to do next. as you know, fleet week is here. i know the chief will speak more about that. i really want to acknowledge the

preparations going on for months, and chief cochran has done a great job with that. the reason i wasn't here for the last commission meeting, i was attending the fire chief conference in ontario, california. the three main topics were ems, firefighter health, behavior health and cancer and urban fires in the state of california. those were the hot topics this year. just to clarify, we had a meeting regarding the san francisco fire youth academy funding, and commissioner covington is on that with us. we are moving forward with that. the money from last year that supervisor cohen had designated for the youth academy. we are moving forward on that.

on the weekend of 28 and 29 we had the northern california first alarm fire camp at treasure island facility. we had 50 girls high school age that participated in all sorts of fire department related activities from cpr to actually wearing the scotts and going into burn rooms to climbing the aerial. it is a leadership empowerment activity based on firefighting skills. i attended a youth town hill and summit in the bayview. also, with chief scott and amos brown. we have been meeting -- the fourth. thank you for coming to the 15th

e.m.t. graduation. we had 20 graduates. some started on saturday. also, this past saturday i spoke at the black firefighters' youth academy for an hour with the kids. this week attended the mayor's signing ceremony for the heart trouble benefits legislation where it is making cardiac and some lung, specifically pneumonia issues presumptive for us, which is a great help. also on the seventh, we welcomed 55 recruits to the 126th h2 academy. they are in the third day now. i wanted to also just i know

chief ellis spoke last time about our new battalion chief parks who is our health, wellness and safety battalion chief who is inundated since she started a couple weeks ago she is works on all sorts of things like behavioral health to cancer and cardiac. she is a great team player. i played basketball with her in the 1990s. i would like her to come up and say "hello" to you all. she played center. >> good morning, commissioners, president. i just want to introduce myself. i am battalion chief natasha parks, new health, safety and

wellness chief. i will be glad to work with the department in getting our members healthy and talking about cancer, behavioral health, health check, things like that. thank you. >> how long have you been in the department? >> i have been in the department for 22 years. >> and she did play college ball. >> yes, i played at uc irvine. >> thank you. i appreciate it. that concludes my report. >> thank you very much. at this point if there are questions. >> thank you, battalion chief can you return to the podium,

please. can you give us a little more of your background? >> my background. i have been with the department for 22 years. i was also with the sheriff's department for a few years. i have been a cap at thi captaid lieutenant and firefighter at station 13 for 8 years. i went to uc you are vine. -- uc irvine. >> very good. thank you. >> vice president does that conclude your questions? >> yes, i wanted a fuller picture of her background.

>> president nakajo: commission. >> come on up. we will keep you walking. i had the pleasure of meeting you at the mayor's signing the other day. i have high hopes for your position. that psychology degree will come in handy because as you saw from doctor raymond terrazas' testimony one of the problems is convincing the members to come to the department for their health and safety and wellness. i look forward to everything that you are going to be doing. i don't know if it is to ask you if it is just let me know. have you and if so we would love to have you back once you have gotten your feet back you can give us a sense of what your goals are in this position, and i understand if it is too early

for that. do you have a sense what your goals are in this position? >> one is to get the health check to the members. we have set up a meeting with 798 to discuss topics about getting members more willing to do the health check. i am also a member of supervis supervising the stress unit, and the peer support team. we have a peer support class coming up next week. then the stress unit we want to get more data collected so that we can strengthen the stress unit with more members. we are partnering with the cancer prevention foundation to get information out about best practices on preventing cancer. >> great. fantastic. i would recommend -- we can talk

offline. cal fire got $6 million towards mental health. that is a big deal. they are working on best practices for structure of peer support unit. chief, i know we are coming on the one-year anniversary of the resolution this commission passed in regards to peer support. i imagine you will have something to do with that as well. we look forward to seeing that. thank you and welcome aboard. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. if there are no other question, we will bring up chief victor wyrsch. >>vert ogreater alarm fires, emy medical services, bureau fire

prevention, homeland security and airport and update on drone program. >> thank you very much. welcome, chief. >> good morning. i am deputy chief of operations victor wyrsch. this is my operations report for september. we had one greater alarm in the month of september during this reporting period. second alarm on 9/25 at 29 thornton. no injuries. arson investigation has deemed this undetermined for cause. this was a fire started in the rear of the fire building in a makeshift storage area against a cd corner of the fire building.

paint and batteries were stored in the rear of this building, and they don't know if it was caused from heat or if somebody lit the fire. right now it is undetermined. it had smoldered for an extreme period of time. the fire ran up the rear exterior of the building and entered through the eves of the rear. due to the location up against the zero property line, some of the fire spread to the exposure d corner. lines were deployed. this was able to spread through the attic of the fire building. it burned through the ridge beam of the roof causing the rear of the peak to sag and drop on the interior ceiling. companies were returned to extinguish the rest of the fire. the second alarm was struck at

1842 hours. it was contained at 1857 hours. we had 17 first alarm fires. one notable was on september 18th at 8 88delano. two civilians lost lives. four wild land fires. we had two bay rescues, three surf rescues, four cliff rescues, three bart train rescues and we rescued a total of 20 civilians in those rescues. also, we had k-9 and captain miller sent to north carolina for hurricane response. he returned safely.

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en . >> i have four good success stories via e.m.s. 6, but i'll read you the last two. we had a 46-year-old male with alcohol history who completed treatment and is now in a step down unit. in 2018, he had 105 sffd transports, and in the previous 12 months, he has had 88

transports. e.m.s. 6 shepherded this person through treatment and he has not used alcohol since june of this year. also, a 66-year-old with chronic medical condition showed a rapid decline over the last three years as showed in this ambulance indication. e.m.s. 6 placed him in the navigation center and assisted him with housing assessment and application and helped get his documentation ready. he is now housed and reconnected with his children. his last ambulance transport was over five weeks ago. down below, you'll see the referrals made was 84, and the

ambulances called were 109. we had 100%, 7 out of 7 mental services. then on to the division of fire prevention investigation data by fire marshal daniel dicosio, we have permit application fees collected for september is 90,685. and on page 22, fire complaints, the total number of complaints closed in september was 275. page 24, the community outreach presentations and education, we've had 26 throughout the city reaching over 5,413

community members. on page 24, the fire section update, the total fees collected was 1,383,106. on 31, bureau of fire investigation update, the total number of open and active reports for september is 67. during the month of september, b.f.i. responded to 27 incidents, and there was ten structure fires, ten vehicle fires, seven outside trash fires. there was four arrests made in september by the b.f.i. one for an outside fire, one for a vehicle fire, and one at an outside fire at an a.t.m., and the fourth was for a

structural fire. the airport division, a.d.c., they're continuing their training meetings. they prepared for their big annual s.f.o. exercise drill that was completed this month. i'll have more on that on this next month's report. 36, you see their run totals. total of 513 runs with 244 bike medic runs. that's been a continued success. and we're off to the department of homeland security. a.d.c. cochran's been working hard this work. we did a disaster planning with the transamerica building. he's been working with the heat

outages and advisory calls. we've been working with our fireboat disaster planning. be happy to say that our mobile command should be returned next week from its upgrades. we continue to constantly update our disaster response manual. as you know, this is a living document, and we're getting a lot of help now with our new disaster committee. they're very motivated, and they're helping us a lot along with that. and we continue to get more sign ups from every rank with our newly installed incident management team. fleet was working tirelessly for the month of september to pull this off, and i'll have more this month with the completion of everything that we did. also worked for a large-scale drill that took place this week

on disaster relief debris. that went off well. and right now, we're -- he is submitting additional grants from uwazi. i've included the monthly response for medical calls and the total number of dispatches, the summary is 13,378 dispatches. and what you've all been waiting for, the drone update. so we've received confirmation on october 4 from the city attorney's office, coit, and o.c.a. that the sffd can move forward with the purchase of the drone. i'm going to have a little presentation by mark corso to continue. right now, it's a financial issue.

>> good morning. mark corso, finance and planning. yeah, so after chief mentioned, after quite a few meetings and back and forth, we finally received approval after collaboration with the city attorney's office, office of contract administration and coit to move forward with our drone program. we have all the department of home lan security approvals and we have all the adoptions by the commission to move forward. so we're working with our vendor -- a few vendors on quotes and specs, and we hope to have everything over to city importants by the end of the week to move forward on procurement. >> yeah. >> that would cheer you up, and that concludes my operation report for september. >> president nakajo: thank you very much. we'll ask for public comment before the commissioners give their questions and comments. any member of the public wish

to give public comment at this point? seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners? commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you for your report, chief wyrsch. the one greater alarm that took place in the bayview earlier, one of my friends happens to live in one of those three houses, and she says that everyone with the department was just stellar, just absolutely wonderful, and very -- very calming, informative, warm, you know, just everything. she made me even more proud of the department because i couldn't have been there, you know, of course, to help her in any significant way, but she's

very, very grateful for the members of the department and the way they handled the situation and their -- their concern for each person who was impacted by that fire, so i wanted to pass that on. >> thank you. appreciate that. >> commissioner covington: you're welcome. let's see...and page 13, the two on page 13, the examples that you gave of how e.m.s. 6 has really helped get people's lives back on track, those are really, really wonderful stories. i think somehow we have to get the word out about what a wonderful program this is. so that our fellow citizens know that there is an effort afoot and it is getting results, people are being helped in a significant way.

there are a couple of people that i see -- i live in hayes valley. there are a couple of people i see frequently, and i think it's like any -- anything that's seriously -- that has seriously gone awry in a person's life. it takes quite a while to get back on track, and it takes the whole community to help people to get back on track, so this is one of the ways that that happens, and i'm happy to see that you have highlighted this in your report. and i appreciate the numbers of the pages. >> the pages. >> commissioner covington: i think that's so 21st century, though. >> small changes every month. i get a little better every

month, yeah. >> commissioner covington: it's very helpful. the grant for 2019, is mr. corso going to talk more about that -- or no, that's on page -- i think it's on page 44. >> the grants under homeland security? >> commissioner covington: yes. >> yeah. we're currently working on them now. i think we just got an e-mail that they're extending it because of the power shutdown. >> good morning mr. president, commissioners, chief nicholson. mike cartwright, director of home lan security. by the 11 -- homeland security. >> we're goithose got extended of the shutoffs, and we're

going to meet today. >> commissioner covington: thank you. great. and i wonder, the photograph that accompanied the text, was that photograph taken by a member of the department, the fireboat in full bloom and everything, still on page 40? >> oh, that, probably our p.i.o. >> commissioner covington: oh, it's a fantastic photo. i think we need to make as much use of that as possible. >> we had a nice display behind the mayor when they did a press -- she did a press conference the other day. very dramatic. >> commissioner covington: all right. thank you very much for your report. >> president nakajo: thank you, commissioner covington. commissioner veronese. >> commissioner veronese: chief, that picture of you is priceless. i'm not going to ask who you were on the phone with.

>> with the chief. >> commissioner veronese: okay. that's a great picture to be used at another moment. getting to this narcan, july to september 2019, thank you, thank you. this is great information, and it shows that from july of 2018 to september, we've more than doubled in narcan administration, and it appears to be some sort of a spike in april -- straike that. it goes in april from may to 181, a huge spike. i don't know what's going on on the streets, but clearly, something happened at the end of may that could cause that to -- would cause that to spike, and i'm not sure if the department of health has this information but if they don't, we should probably give it to them because it paints a picture of what's going on in the streets, and it would be

great to know what the strategy is because these numbers have gone up. it's gone up to 214 from then. is this something that we see once this strain -- is it fentanyl or opioid strain stops, it continues to go up as we've continued to see over the last year? >> unfortunately, it's fentanyl that we've seen increase greatly. because it's so cheap and it's getting over here apparently by mail, but we're looking into it, and i believe that's the culprit. >> commissioner veronese: so it may be appropriate to get the -- to develop -- i'm sure there's some strategy being developed around this but it would be great to know especially since this is such a big issue in san francisco and it's affecting our membership

and our budget. it would be great to see what the strategy is, whether it comes from the department or the department of health as to know how we're going to bring these numbers down. on the next page, if you could explain this start to me that appears that somebody bled all over it because it's allred. what is this next chart? >> it's our ambulance levels by day, and it's a little difficult to explain. sandra tong may have to come up here, a.d.c. tong, but it's basically at 2% or lower for that day. so on that column, it's the day of the month, and then, the minutes across the top and the percentage that goes from level zero to less than -- more than seven on either direction. >> commissioner veronese: so

this is -- i'm assuming this is last month, september. >> yes. >> commissioner veronese: could you -- make chief tong could do this for us. maybe they could walk us through one of these rows to give us a sense of what this means -- perhaps the last day of the month, just by mway of example, so that the commission understands what that means. >> good morning, president nakajo, chief nicholson, sandy tong, department of e. p.s. if you're looking at last column -- second to last row is 30 of september. what we're doing hooer is identifying number -- what we're doing here is identifying the number we were at level zero, so that means the number of ambulances available at that particular point in time during

the 24-hour period. >> commissioner veronese: so what is the column that has a less than seven, is that cumulative of the columns where it's zero, one, two? >> no. it would just be in that moment of time, the number of minutes where we had seven or less. so it would probably be four or five -- three, four, five, six. >> commissioner veronese: so 490 minutes, that's eight hours. are you saying that on september 30, we were at level zero. >> no. we had seven -- less than seven. six, five, four, three, two, one. >> commissioner veronese: less than seven what? >> ambulances available. >> commissioner veronese: we had less than seven ambulances

available for 490 minutes. >> right. >> commissioner veronese: i get it. that's a lot less alarming than the direction i was going. >> yeah. >> commissioner veronese: so for -- okay. so for 99 minutes on september 30, we had zero ambulances available. >> right. >> commissioner veronese: that's an hour and a half. >> yes. >> commissioner veronese: that's -- so for an hour and a half on september 30, is that throughout the day -- >> for a 24-hour period. >> commissioner veronese: for a 24-hour period. so that could be five minutes at 2:00, 20 minutes at 4:00, those are those numbers added up for that 24-hour period. >> yes. >> commissioner veronese: so it was not like there was 99 minutes in time where we had zero ambulances available? >> yes. >> commissioner veronese: okay. that's helpful. and then, explain to me what the percentage is on the far right. how did -- how does that work

out? >> that would just be the percentages based on the number of minutes per day, the percentage of time in the court of a 24-hour -- course of a 24-hour period where we were at level zero or one or two. >> commissioner veronese: okay. so on september 30, 6.9% of that 24-hour period, we had no ambulances available. >> correct. >> if i may? >> commissioner veronese: sure, chief. >> so this is one of those reports that we've got a lot of pieces and i'd love to chat with you offline to give you the full picture? >> commissioner veronese: no. i understand this chart is probably as a result of something i asked for, and a lot of times when you start collecting information, it's not entirely accurate because you're pulling in from different places, and you have to work on those statistics, so

sure, chief, let's get together and talk about that because i know that staffing is an important issue, and i'd like to learn more about it and really make sure that we get these numbers down accurately so we can use these numbers to report to people that need to know so that we can then begin a strategy to get these numbers down to -- so that there's no red on this piece of paper, assuming that they're fully accurate. okay. great. thanks, chief. we'll revisit this. chief, in regards to the drones, i wasn't going to let you get away with that. when -- and it is acknowledged that you took all the glory away from being able to announce that this is actually done, you know -- chief, i acknowledge that week after week, he gets up here and takes

the brunt of this, and you get up and say it's done, but thank you for that. we all know that. >> we'll share the glory. >> commissioner veronese: there you go. share the glory. there you go. the next question is when, so what are the next -- what are the things that we're working on to make sure that there's no additional barriers to making sure we're getting these things deployed. >> good morning. mike cochran, department of security, again. we are moving forward. the o.c.a. process, i'd have to have mark corso so talk about that if he can because he really helped with the city attorney and coit meetings. so i'm not sure if it's 30 or 60 days to get it purchased. next step is certificate of purchase that's tied to the drone. then our pilots and we should be good to go. >> commissioner veronese: so are there things we can be doing in the meantime, like training pilots or taking courses, so once we're ready to go, there's not, like, a

ramp-up in six months so we're ready to go? >> yeah. that process should be starting. internally, we're going to start the pilot thing. the main thing was to try to get the drone and get through all these hurdles. i knew it was going to be scrutinized so i wanted to make sure that we did as much as we could to make it correct. >> commissioner veronese: is the funding there? >> funding -- so there's a grant for the drone, so that money's there. i'm sure it's down to the penny. you'd have to ask mark corso for the exact numbers. >> commissioner veronese: how many drones are we deploying? because i think we saw a bird took out one. >> that's correct. that was an aggressive seagull

that took that one out. we're getting one with lights and infrared. this would be the ultimate fire service drone at this point in time, so that's what we put in for and are currently trying to get. >> commissioner veronese: just one of them? >> just one for now. >> commissioner veronese: yeah, i'm sure that bird learned that lesson the hard way. okay. one drone, you think between 30 and 60 days, and that's the competitive bidding process you think? >> i'd speak out of turn, mark, on that. how does that o.c.a. work, exactly? i'm not sure. >> good morning again. mark corso. yes. it's through the procurement process. it needs to go out to bid, but we did speak with the bidding project manager on that and told him that this needs to be a priority, that we're bidding

on this next week. >> commissioner veronese: that money that's out there, could we use that for something else or is it money specifically designated -- >> it's specifically designated for something else. one is drones, and one is marine rescue tools and equipment. >> commissioner veronese: okay. so that's great. it'll be deployed by the end of the year. it'll be, like, a new year's gift or a christmas gift. okay. thank you, chief cochran. i wasn't going to let chief wyrsch take all the glory. >> understood. >> commissioner veronese: it looks like the numbers are steady at about 39%, but it's down to 33 in october. that's about a 10% drop -- more

than 10% drop, which is great. can you explain to me what pages 14 and 15 are? it looks like a spreadsheet of some kind. >> those are the x.m. pages, so it's my understanding these are the pages when we might be getting to level zero, but it might be only less than a minute, and when the page goes out to we're at level zero, then another ambulance will go back in service or hurry up and go back and service. so there's more x.m. pages than actual level zero times because if there's no calls on the board, we're not missing any calls, but there's a level

zero. is that the best way to describe it? >> we can -- we can talk about all this stuff, and i'll, yeah, square you away. >> commissioner veronese: i didn't realize this was part of the level zero conversation. >> okay. >> commissioner veronese: i didn't understand that because that's above my pay grade, but i understand that's the level zero. we'll talk about that. and then -- that's it. good luck with the fleet week. i know this is a busy week for you, and the fire division. good luck, and prayers for you all that things turn out as good as they have in the past. >> president nakajo: thank you, commissioner veronese. commissioner hardeman. >> commissioner hardeman: yes. i got all of my questions asked by commissioner alioto

veronese. the one comment about last year, the narcan, i was out with the crews since the last meeting and talked to other people from other states, staple problem. we're not alone there. interesting there, the governor newsom signed this legislation basically dealing with mental health. and it's interesting how all of us like to blame a governor who was in office 45 years ago or eliminating mental health. it's 45 years later, we've been sitting on our hands for a long time, so it's nice to see something happening and not blaming somebody for something that they did something 45 years ago. i did notice something in new york, the street people, wow. compared to the last time i was there, which was, like, five years ago, was night and day.

they were everywhere. not so much as panhandling, but as sleeping on the side of the streets. very discouraging, so they have the same problem as we have. on your report with the two alarm, the only two alarm of the month, which is always good to year. very remarkable, 37 minutes, the fire was put out from the time, i guess, you arrived. and then three buildings, under $1 million worth of damage, but 57 minutes, it was under control. i think that's pretty fast. it was quite good -- obviously, it was quite a fire to have that kind of damage.

and chie and let's see...the drones, yeah, the question -- i think the state-of-the-art was only 1700. was it three years ago that we had the demonstration that i got to be involved with? so is there a number -- i didn't hear a number on -- with the latest technology -- on what the latest technology is? has that gone up a little bit? >> the price has gone up since we -- >> commissioner hardeman: i'm sure they're a lot better. >> yeah. >> commissioner hardeman: a lot safer, more reliable, better in fighting wind, everything. >> correct. >> commissioner hardeman: i'm all ready to vote for a grant to get a couple more, so any time that comes up, i will be voting in favor. i think that's one of the most