should have nothing to hide. there should be an open line of communication between them. it does have to meet the california building code seismic, you know, whatever, structural. and the other thing i heard was the valuation, and it can be reviewed. it looks like it's a small enough house to begin with, getting a small addition. but 125,000 is low. that can always be raised before it can be done on a correction notice voluntarily by the permit holder. a lot of people -- sometimes architects put that down or someone just on their behalf. it could be double that, probably. depends on the interior work that's being done, as well. so on the demolition, obviously, we spoke on that before, as well. if they end up exceeding the scope of demolition that's shown on the approved plans, or

if they get into a situation where they're potentially seeing inferior framing that is shown on the plans to remain, and it can't because it's inferior, they should contact the department of building inspection, get an inspector out there, we will actually issue an inspection notice. the project would have to go back to planning, and that changes the democounts, and that's a process that we have in place for those types of projects. we're trying to get away from people saying oh, it was rotten. we just took it down and ask for forgiveness. we're actually calling people ahead of time and making sure they don't get into that situation. this sounds like they may, based on some of the comments that i've heard tonight with framing and touch -- with soil and contact with wood, that's never a good thing. so with that, i'd say it's a good enough permit, as long as

they go down the line and follow the process. >> commissioner honda: so joe, is there no excavation here? >> i don't know, to be honest. i didn't see the drawings, and -- >> commissioner honda: and i'm satisfied that because they've gone through the process here that the building department will follow through because we realize how important it is, especially when you're doing retaining walls, excavation, how important it is to make sure -- >> yeah. it's a vertical addition, so there's definitely structural work to be done, whether they're being made to do a new foundation, i don't know that just yet. i can review the plans and get you a rebuttal on that. >> commissioner honda: you get a second swing on that, and you have 9:42. >> clerk: thank you. is there any public comment on this item? >> commissioner honda: come on up. good evening and welcome. >> thank you.

i'm glad you're all able to retain your sense of human. my name is amy kyle. i filed a card. i live in between mr. greeman in between the two houses he constructed, so i know a lot -- about impacts, not construction. and i'm going to speak to the flood issue because part of my back yard is the exposed bedrock, and part of my hill is really steep hill. there's a cluster of houses at the corner, and the hill. and it's so steep. it's so steep, they don't mow it. they just send the goats up. you just see the water moving on it all the time, so i have

flooding issues. before they fixed it, the reservoir leaked, and we'd see a lot of water. but it kind of comes to the corner. it's a chute sort of down toward our corner, so the hill goes in both directions. the street that goes up past my house goes up the hill, and then gladys goes up this hill, and the water will kind of concentrate that way. so i'm concerned about that, and i'm concerned about this project because we keep seeing drawings that maybe aren't quite showing everything, you know? this has sort of been -- happened before, and we raised this issue earlier, and oh, no, that's not a thing. i think it is a thing, and you only have to look at the project to be worried about the condition of that foundation. so, you know, the prior hearing doesn't really make me feel too much better about how everything will be taken care of by the system.

will it? i don't know. i think there's a lot of peril with this project because everything's a zero lot line. this thing is already occupying fully what's supposed to be the set back, and we're just hoping this'll get figured out later. you know, i'm pretty doubtful that that's going to happen, so i hope you take the closest possible look here, you know, and give us some assurance that this isn't going to cause our houses ultimately to fall down if water leaks through or, you know, all these walls that are really not -- i mean, you can look at it and see it. they're not well constructed now or maybe not all going to be replaced or whatever. so i'm not an engineer, i'm not an expert, but i am concerned about the way this has all come forward and what the impacts are going to be and whether we're going to be back here in five years saying this is a colossal mess that no one can

fix. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other public comment? >> yes, i have one. >> commissioner honda: come on up. the price is right. >> i'll be short and sweet. >> commissioner honda: it's okay. >> i live next to david, one door up. my issue is about the reservoir because i have problems in my garage with the reservoir. i have a river running through, and i'm very concerned about my property. i just wish if he's going to build, that they really look into that because i'm just two doors up. and my second concern is the way he wants to build, i have a living room window. he'll look right in on me, so i'm concerned with privacy. i'm 75 years old, and i live my myself, so think did suggest things for him to make the building a little different, that everyone would be happy, and he refused to do that.

and so, you know, those are my concerns as a resident on gladys street. that's it. >> commissioner honda: thank you very much. >> clerk: ma'am? ma'am? will you please fill out a speaker card? thank you. >> commissioner honda: we're requesting your auto graph. >> clerk: is there any other public comment on this matter? we just need your name so it reflects accurately in our minutes. is there any other public comment? okay. we'll move on to rebuttal, and we'll hear from mr. greeman first. >> well, i can see where everyone's coming. they keep telling me they're going to catch it, 16, 16 d.b.i. they're going to catch it if the diagrams were accurate, but they're not. if someone had said -- can we have this on the screen,

please. if that was listed as being a demo, that wouldn't have gone through 1660. that's a demo, too because it's up against soil. had they accurately depicted, and they should have known an architect who's been working in this city for two decades would know that wood up against soil isn't going to fly. i don't want to use the word lie -- i guess i just did, but i think it's really deceptive to send a plan in with wood up against soil on concrete that's been observed to be repaired and capped in a 1941 building, to add a full load on a floor with a wraparound deck with a life human load and claim to 1660 that's going to remain. my biggest fear is they go in there, they discover the conditions, and it's red tagged during the construction.

i live two buildings up from the applicant. i was broken into five times. insurance is more when you're in construction. i'm terrified that you're going to go -- discover sure enough that it is in fact a demo, because it is. there is no way to support those floors while cutting away 5 feet of floor to put up that wall. when you do put up the wall, i really, really hope you do what your engineer said. a 12-inch drain, a stem wall that's ten, 12, 18 feet has to be 12 inches thick with rebar. must contain a footer that's 18 inches thick.

the rebar must extend 12 inches out to connect with the rebar on your rat pad. it's not true they're only doing certain facade differences. that's a demo, too, on their diagram, so all this is wrecked. this is a demo, period. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: we will now hear from the attorney for mr. donofrio. >> good evening, commissioners. thank you very much for your patience on what i'm sure has been a long evening for you. we have an incorrect scope of demolition depicted and an incorrect story count, even an incorrect cost of what this story is going to cost. most significantly, the concern

is that the removal of the eastern wall, which as we've heard from mr. duffy if it's wood against soil could create problems. the removal of that wall raises significant demolition and float stability issues. and yes, these are issues that we have raised in other forums because of the concern about this uphill reservoir, the impact on neighboring properties. and what we were told by planning at the board of supervisors was that, "due to the on-site slope, the project is subject to heightened review by d.b.i.'s structural advisory committee." yet now we are hearing from mr. sanchez that planning didn't guarantee us that we're going to go to structural advisory committee. secondly, a geotechnical report would be required before a building permit was issued, yet we haven't seen any further geotechnical reports, so these are some real concerns about

what has been analyzed for this project, and that's why we're asking for the permit to be revoked. however, if the board is not minded to revoke the permit, we're ask that it be referred to d.b.i. structural advisory committee, and if they make a determination regarding the story count, the slope stability issue or the scope of demolition, it should then be referred back to planning. thank you very much for your time. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. we will now hear from the permit holder. you have six minutes. >> i guess the only thing i want to respond to is the quote from the planner was, i think, an environmental planner who was speaking about his thought about what potentially might be required at d.b.i. it's not a d.b.i. representative, and it doesn't conflict with what we're saying here today, which is that

d.b.i. will require everything to make sure it complies with safety requirements. i think that everything, building permits, site permits is used interchangeably, but they're different things if you're filing a full building permit versus a site permit with a future agenda. so i'll stop there, and the team is here to answer any questions. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. we'll now hear from the planning department. >> commissioner honda: come on, move it along. this is the last case. get it going, skippy. >> don't rush me. scott sanchez, planning department. what's shown on the plans is not a demolition. the appellant had highlighted something on the plans that he had stated was a demolition. there were separate hashed lines that depict parking space, but that's not shown being demolished on the plans. anything that's below grade

does not count towards section 317 calculations, so even if all those retaining walls need to be replaced, that doesn't count toward 317. i think this board has heard these issues before, and people will come up and claim it's a demolition. >> commissioner honda: first time. >> if anybody wants to be out in front of that, it's the sponsor usually after the department has reviewed conditions generally not very favorably in several cases going back to what was there before or often wanting to go back to what was there when the building was first built. so it was quite a serious matter. and maybe the project sponsor wants to address some of their thoughts and methodology in greater detail, but you know what's shown on the plans as shown to not be a demolition because mr. buskovic notes, we have a process for this.

and we do have a process for this. if there are changes to be made, there's a process for that. if work is done without a permit out in the field, i think that this project will be very well monitored by the neighbors and if there is demolition -- or if even this is a demolition beyond what was approved, there'll probably be complaints about it, and there'll be inspections, investigations. i'm sure there'll be a close eye on it, and if issues are found that it is a demolition, it'll go back to the planning commission and require a conditional use authorization, and that'll be the process. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> commissioner tanner: one question around the hydrology issues and drainage issues, i imagine there are requirements that properties deal with drain

age issues -- that properties deal with drain age issues that are not on their property? >> that's a d.b.i. issue. >> clerk: okay. we will now hear from d.b.i. >> joe duffy, d.b.i. asking d.b.i. to do a s.a.c. review, if it falls under that type of project, our process would catch that, which is good. i can't tell you people what to do, but a s.a.c. review -- >> commissioner honda: attorneys do it all the time. >> well, when it's not required, it's a little unfair on a permit holder. i would imagine it's just trying to put a team together. if it does fall under any

category, whether it's s.a.c., when it's slope stablity, when you put an address in our section, you click on restrictions, it'll show you restrictions and slope stablity, and no doubt what mr. sanchez said, there's a lot of eyes on this project. i doubt it will be missed. you had a question. >> commissioner tanner: public drain age, during public testimony time, some folks are concerned with drain age in the area which would be seem to be the permit holder's issue other than the fact that they might suffer from it, as well. can you speak to how we address drain age from one property to the other or what would be required? >> yes. it's a very good question. basically, everyone's responsible for their own drainage. as mr. sanchez said, you can't

drain on somebody's property. unfortunately, it's going to drain downhill. there are occasions -- in this project, for example, if there's drainage, they're going to have to take care of it, the retaining wall, anything like that, they're going to have to take care of it. water can't run from their property on to somebody's property. there may be something just because of the area, and for the lady that got up and said she's got water coming through her garage, she's got a water cable table or something, i would imagine. there's ways she can address that. it may be coming from a neighbor, and she can file a complaint if she thinks there is. if she has clear indication that water it coming over a property line from somebody else's property. >> commissioner tanner: sounds like it may be coming from p.u.c. property to other

people's property, so that may be the issue. >> clerk: thank you. commissioners, this matter's submitted. >> commissioner tanner: i have not heard any testimony that would lead me to believe this permit was not properly issued. i would move to deny the appeal. >> commissioner honda: just because i was smiling and making jokes does not mean that i'm not taking this as a serious matter. this particular project has undergone quite a bit of process and just by the amount of dollars per hour in this room, i think there is going to be a significant amount of eyes watching this project alongside with the departments which whether we like or don't like, we have to have faith in our city departments and their abilities to make things happen, and so i would concur with my fellow commissioner. >> vice president lazarus: as would i, i'm content to let the

normal processes take their place because i haven't heard anywhere here tonight that would encourage me to revoke the site permit. >> commissioner tanner: and just to the woman, you gave testimony just wondering how things would be caught in light of the previous cases, 20-year ongoing permit. i think that's very much on the outside and the outlier of our permit system. what will happen, it will be graded and more studies, as mr. duffy said, related to the project. when we say we'll catch things, it's not that we hope it, it goes through a much more scrutinous review. that's why we have faith in it and most of the time, it does work. >> clerk: okay. so we have a motion from commissioner tanner to deny the appeal and uphold the permit on the basis that it was properly issued. on that motion -- [roll call]

>> clerk: okay. so that motion carries, 3-0, and this adjourns the meeting. [gavel]. >> clerk: thank you.

>> i'm rebecca and i'm a violinist and violin teacher. i was born here in san francisco to a family of cellists, professional cellists, so i grew up surrounded by a bunch of musical rehearsals an lessons. all types of activities happened in my house. i began playing piano when i was 4. i really enjoyed musical activities in general. so when i was 10, i began studying violin in san francisco. and from there, i pretty much never stopped and went on to study in college as well. that's the only thing i've ever known is to have music playing all the time, whether it is someone actually playing next to you or someone listening to a recording.

i think that i actually originally wanted to play flute and we didn't have a flute. it's always been a way of life. i didn't know that it could be any other way. >> could you give me an e over here. great. when you teach and you're seeing a student who has a problem, you have to think on your feet to solve that problem. and that same kind of of thinking that you do to fix it applies to your own practice as well. so if i'm teaching a student and they are having a hard time getting a certain note, they can't find the right note. and i have to think of a digestible way to explain it to them. ee, d, d, e. >> yes. then, when i go on to do my own practice for a performance, those words are echoing back in my head.

okay. why am i missing this? i just told somebody that they needed to do this. maybe i should try the same thing. i feel a lot of pressure when i'm teaching young kids. you might think that there is less pressure if they are going on to study music or in college that it is more relaxing. i actually find that the opposite is true. if i know i'm sending a high school student to some great music program, they're going to get so much more instruction. what i have told them is only the beginning. if i am teaching a student who i know is going to completely change gears when they go to college and they never will pick up a violin again there is so much that i need to tell them. in plain violin, it is so difficult. there is so much more information to give. every day i think, oh, my gosh. i haven't gotten to this technique or we haven't studies they meese and they have so much more to do. we only have 45

minutes a week. i have taught a few students in some capacity who has gone on to study music. that feels anaysing. >> it is incredible to watch how they grow. somebody can make amazing project from you know, age 15 to 17 if they put their mind to it. >> i think i have 18 students now. these more than i've had in the past. i'm hoping to build up more of a studio. there will be a pee ono, lots of bookshelves and lots of great music. the students will come to my house and take their lessons there. my schedule changes a lot on a day-to-day basis and that kind of keeps it exciting. think that music is just my favorite thing that there is, whether it's listening to it or playing it or teaching it.

all that really matters to me is that i'm surrounded by the sounds, so i'm going top keep doing what i'm doing to keep my life in that direction. >> mayor breed: sean richard who is with us today. he's a part of brothers against guns has been on the ground on a regular basis. so many community advocates, big rich and others, working with our community. we were in this community in the

trenches working hard to deal with this issue, james and michael, without a lot of help and support. you know what? not anyone else that's in this race for district attorney, not one of those folks is none other than susie lawson. [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: susie lawson came to the table. she was working with us to try to figure out what can we do as a neighborhood prosecutor, what can i do to help make this community safer. not this is what i'm going to do. what can i do? and working with the previous district attorney helped to create incredible opportunities, including the --

[ applause ]. >> mayor breed: giving people a second chance. giving people a second chance who needed a second chance, but also holding people accountable who are holding our community hostage. we can do both. we can have fairness in our criminal justice system. we don't have to choose as susie lawson was saying, one versus the other. it requires a balancing act. yes, we need criminal justice reform. the fact is disproportionately african-americans do get higher sentences than others. we know that african-americans are arrested in higher numbers than other races. we know what the numbers are. we are determined to make the kinds of changes so that we have fairness in our criminal justice system. [ cheering and applause ]. >> mayor breed: that's right. we don't have to live in fear to

do it, because when people commit crimes and we are trying to provide an opportunity for a second chance and then they continue to do the same thing, accountability has to kick in. we have to do them both. [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: we have to make an investment in the programs that are necessary to help prevent the crimes from happening in the first place. [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: guess what? susie lawson understands this more than anyone because of the work that she's done on the ground, because of the work that she's done to help support the violence victims. the work that she's done to help with elder abuse and other things in the district attorney's office. the compassion she has demonstrated even when she served on the police commission here in san francisco. looking at the fact that the decisions that we make have

consequences on people's lives. and understanding and validating and making sure that we are recognizing people and how we make things better. so, when i received the letter yesterday from the district attorney announcing his resignation, i couldn't help but get excited about the future because i know that susie lawson is the right person to do the job. [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: let me also be clear there is no way i'm going to leave this office vacant for the next three months. [ cheering and applause ]. >> mayor breed: when you have someone who is qualified, when

you have someone who works for years in the district attorney's office and knows many of the staff who work there and know what to do, whether she's in there for three months or four years or four days, someone in the office who knows what to do. we can build confidence that on day one, no matter the results of what happens november 4, 5, or whatever the day is -- [ laughter ]. >> mayor breed: no matter what happens, we know that we still have challenges in this city and we need strong leadership to make sure this office is doing the job it has committed to do, serve and protect the residents of the city and county of san francisco. that's why i couldn't think of anyone better to step in at this

most critical time than suzy loftus. so she is my choice to point as the next district attorney [ indiscernible ] -- [ cheering and applause ]. >> mayor breed: suzy loftus, ladies and gentlemen. [ chanting ]. >> how's everybody doing today? [ cheering and applause ]. >> i see you, san francisco. i see you. i see all of you and i love this town. i've got to tell you on my way over i had a beautiful walk through chinatown. some folks wanted to say things, and i got a text message from my eldest daughter and i'm going to bring you in on this because when you have a high schooler you get interesting texts. she said, mom, don't be mad at

the protesters. you know why? that's how i raised her. we are san francisco. [ applause ]. >> for anyone who trusts i have yet to earn, i will work every day to earn your trust. i will work every day to build safety that is not predicated on anything else. i will work every day to build a justice system that is not for the privileged few, but that works for all of us. san francisco is where i'm from. it's where i went to public school. my mother came to this country when she was 19 years old, and she raised us up on her own. she raised me to be a fighter. [ applause ]. >> she raised me to stand up -- she didn't raise me to do that. it's okay. [ laughter ]. >> she raised me to stand up and

fight for my community. you might know about my background. you might know that i've been a prosecutor and a police commissioner. you might know some of my friends from bayview are here, that i built the center for kids exposed to violence, but you might not know why. i devoted my 15 years to building safety for a very important reason, and it's because as a kid growing up in san francisco, too early, violence touched my life. when i was 3 years old, my mother was violently attacked when she was leaving her place of work to come and pick me and my sister up from daycare. she wasn't from this country and didn't know how to navigate a criminal justice system. i grew up knowing not everybody gets justice. is that right? what i know for sure is everybody is entitled to live and work and play somewhere they feel safe and we're not there yet.

we can get there. we need to do better for everyone in this city. my youngest and all the rest of the family is coming up and my mom. [ applause ]. >> my mom knows how to make an entrance. [ laughter ] [ applause ]. >> so what my life has told me and what this beautiful woman getting up on the stage has taught me is when we know not everybody gets justice and safety, we have to build it together. i will work hard every day with all of you to build a world-class system that protects our civil rights and enforces our consumer protection, that fights for our environment. when your car gets broken into

and you're broke in san francisco, it's even worse. we can deal with that. we can deal with the merchants in chinatown who have to close their doors because of $100 of theft. i love this city and with your help i'll get elected to be your district attorney and it will be the greatest accomplishment of my life. [ cheering and applause ] [ laughter ]. >> [ indiscernible ] -- i am [ indiscernible ] -- [ cheering and applause ]. >> i am so proud that i'm able

to be here today supporting my mom, suzy loftus. we have all heard of her numerous accomplishments, but she will also be the first mom to be d.a. [ cheering and applause ]. >> and moms get stuff done. [ laughter ]. >> soccer practices and three games in a week is not possible for an average mortal. most would baulk at making 30 quesadias for my class the next morning. not my mom because she cares about her family and doing the right thing, not the easy thing. she cares about safety and justice. she loves s.f. it's hard not to. the city is awesome. and she has the experience our city needs. most importantly, she's ready to

get to work. this is a new era for san francisco and it's going to be awesome. thanks to all of you for coming out here today. thank you. [ laughter ] [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: thank you and thank you everyone who is here today. thank you, suzy, for stepping up to the plate and your willingness to serve san francisco during this transition. it is going to make a world of difference, especially for the folks that we know in the district attorney's office. [ applause ]. >> mayor breed: let me just say i understand some of the challenges that you face and we hear you and we are here to work with you to make sure that you have the resources that you need so that we can truly, truly

provide justice for all san franciscans. that is our ultimate goal. i want to thank each and every one of you for being here today for your love for san francisco and suzy. and now it's time for everyone who works for the city to go back to work. thank you. [ cheering and applause ] >> for the first time in nearly two decades fishers have been granted the legal right to sell fish directly to the package right off their boat -- to the public right off their boats in san francisco. it's not only helping local fishers to stay afloat but it's evoking the spirit of the wharf

by resurfacing the traditional methods of selling fish. but how is it regulated? and what does it take for a boat to be transported into a floating fish market? find out as we hop on board on this episode of "what's next sf." (♪) we're here with the owner and the captain of the vessel pioneer. it's no coincidence that your boat is called the pioneer because it's doing just that. it's the first boat in san francisco to sell fish directly from the boat. how did you establish your boat into such a floating fish market? >> well, you know, i always thought that it would be nice to be able to provide fresh fish to the locals because most of the fish markets, you would have to do a large amount of volume in order to bring in enough fish to cover the overhead. when you start selling to the public that volume is much less so it makes it hard to make enough money. so being able to do this is

really -- it's a big positive thing i think for the entire community. >> a very positive thing. as a third-generation fisherman joe as his friends call him has been trawling the california waters for sustainably caught seafood since an early age. since obtaining a permit to sell fish directly to the public he is able to serve fish at an affordable price. >> right now we're just selling what a lot of the markets like, flat fish and rock fish and what the public likes. so we have been working for many, many years and putting cameras in them. there's the ability to short fish and we have panels that we open and close so we target the different species of fish by adjusting the net. and then not only that but then the net sort out the sizes which is really important. >> joe brings in a lot of fish, around 20,000 pounds per fishing trip to be exact. >> we had one day one time that we sold almost 18,000 pounds. >> it's incredible. >> i know, it's hard to imagine.

>> but this wasn't always the case for joe. >> the markets that we have left in california, they're few and far between, and they really are restrictive. they'll let you fish for a couple months and shut you down. a lot of times it's rough weather and if you can't make your delivery you will lose your rotation. that's why there's hardly any boats left in california because of the market challenges. my boat was often sitting over here at the dock for years and i couldn't do anything with it because we had no market. the ability to go catch fish is fine, i had the permits, but you couldn't take them off your boat. >> that was until the port commission of san francisco rallied behind them and voted unanimously to approve a pilot program to allow the fish to be sold directly to consumers right off their boats. >> the purpose of the program is to allow commercial fishers to sell their fish directly from their boats to the end consumer in a safe and orderly manner for the benefit of the overall

fishing community at the port of san francisco. we have limited the program to certain types of fish such as salmon, halibut, tuna and rock fish. crab is restricted from this program because we did not want to interfere with the existing crab sales on taylor street and jefferson street. so this is not meant to favor one aspect of the fishing industry more than another. it's to basically to lift up the whole industry together. >> and if joe the program has been doing just that. >> it was almost breathtaking whenever i woke up one morning and i got my federal receiver, my first receivers license in the mail. and that gave me permission to actually take fish off my boat. once we started to be able to sell, it opened things up a bit. because now that we have that federal permit and i was able to ppetition the city council and getting permission from san francisco to actually use the dock and to sell fish here, it was a big turning point.

because we really didn't think or know that we'd get such a positive response from the public. and so we're getting thousands of people coming down here buying fish every week and so that's pretty cool. they like the fish so much that they take pictures of it when they cook it and they send us all of these pictures and then they ask us, you know, constantly for certain types of fish now. and when they come down here the one thing that they say is that they're so amazed that the fish is so fresh they could eat a little bit during the week and it's still fresh all week in the refrigerator. so that's really cool. >> the fish is very fresh and the price is super. i don't think that you can get it anywhere in the bay area. i can see it, and i can stir fry it, wow, you can do anything you want. i just can say this is a good place to shop and you have a good experience. >> this program supports the

strategic plan in terms of engagement, people being connected to the waterfront, and also economic vitality. because it's helping the fishermen to make ends meet. they have no guarantees in their businesses, not like some people, and we want to do everything that we can to help them to have a good and thriving business. >> how does it feel to be able to sell your fish locally kind of in the traditional way, like your grandfather probably did? >> when i was a kid and i used to work in my dad's fish market, a lot of the markets that we sell to now are second and third and fourth generation markets. so i remember as a kid putting their tags on the boxes of fish that we shipped out of monterey and ship down to l.a. so it's kind of cool that we're still dealing with the same families. and this is probably about the only way that anyone can really survive in california is to sell your own fish. >> one of the advantages of this

program is the department people that pull in the fish, they can find out where they caught it and find out more about the fisherman and that adds to their experience. the feedback from the fishers has been very good and the feedback from the customers have very good. and there's a lot of people coming to the wharf now that might not have done so. in fact, there's people that go through the neighboring restaurants that are going to eat fish inside but before they go in they see the action on the dock and they want to kind of look at what's happening on the boat before they go in and they have a meal. so it's generated some conversation down at the wharf and that's a good thing. >> as you can see by the line forming behind me getting ready to buy fish, the pilot program has been a huge success. for more information visit sfsport.com. (♪) (♪)