communication between them. it does have to meet the california building code seismic, you know, whatever, structural. and the other thing i heard was the valuation, and it can be reviewed. it looks like it's a small enough house to begin with, getting a small addition. but 125,000 is low. that can always be raised before it can be done on a correction notice voluntarily by the permit holder. a lot of people -- sometimes architects put that down or someone just on their behalf. it could be double that, probably. depends on the interior work that's being done, as well. so on the demolition, obviously, we spoke on that before, as well. if they end up exceeding the scope of demolition that's shown on the approved plans, or if they get into a situation where they're potentially seeing inferior framing that is

shown on the plans to remain, and it can't because it's inferior, they should contact the department of building inspection, get an inspector out there, we will actually issue an inspection notice. the project would have to go back to planning, and that changes the democounts, and that's a process that we have in place for those types of projects. we're trying to get away from people saying oh, it was rotten. we just took it down and ask for forgiveness. we're actually calling people ahead of time and making sure they don't get into that situation. this sounds like they may, based on some of the comments that i've heard tonight with framing and touch -- with soil and contact with wood, that's never a good thing. so with that, i'd say it's a good enough permit, as long as they go down the line and

follow the process. >> commissioner honda: so joe, is there no excavation here? >> i don't know, to be honest. i didn't see the drawings, and -- >> commissioner honda: and i'm satisfied that because they've gone through the process here that the building department will follow through because we realize how important it is, especially when you're doing retaining walls, excavation, how important it is to make sure -- >> yeah. it's a vertical addition, so there's definitely structural work to be done, whether they're being made to do a new foundation, i don't know that just yet. i can review the plans and get you a rebuttal on that. >> commissioner honda: you get a second swing on that, and you have 9:42. >> clerk: thank you. is there any public comment on this item? >> commissioner honda: come on up. good evening and welcome. >> thank you. i'm glad you're all able to

retain your sense of human. my name is amy kyle. i filed a card. i live in between mr. greeman in between the two houses he constructed, so i know a lot -- about impacts, not construction. and i'm going to speak to the flood issue because part of my back yard is the exposed bedrock, and part of my hill is really steep hill. there's a cluster of houses at the corner, and the hill. and it's so steep. it's so steep, they don't mow it. they just send the goats up. you just see the water moving on it all the time, so i have flooding issues. before they fixed it, the

reservoir leaked, and we'd see a lot of water. but it kind of comes to the corner. it's a chute sort of down toward our corner, so the hill goes in both directions. the street that goes up past my house goes up the hill, and then gladys goes up this hill, and the water will kind of concentrate that way. so i'm concerned about that, and i'm concerned about this project because we keep seeing drawings that maybe aren't quite showing everything, you know? this has sort of been -- happened before, and we raised this issue earlier, and oh, no, that's not a thing. i think it is a thing, and you only have to look at the project to be worried about the condition of that foundation. so, you know, the prior hearing doesn't really make me feel too much better about how everything will be taken care of by the system. will it? i don't know. i think there's a lot of peril

with this project because everything's a zero lot line. this thing is already occupying fully what's supposed to be the set back, and we're just hoping this'll get figured out later. you know, i'm pretty doubtful that that's going to happen, so i hope you take the closest possible look here, you know, and give us some assurance that this isn't going to cause our houses ultimately to fall down if water leaks through or, you know, all these walls that are really not -- i mean, you can look at it and see it. they're not well constructed now or maybe not all going to be replaced or whatever. so i'm not an engineer, i'm not an expert, but i am concerned about the way this has all come forward and what the impacts are going to be and whether we're going to be back here in five years saying this is a colossal mess that no one can fix. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. is there any other public

comment? >> yes, i have one. >> commissioner honda: come on up. the price is right. >> i'll be short and sweet. >> commissioner honda: it's okay. >> i live next to david, one door up. my issue is about the reservoir because i have problems in my garage with the reservoir. i have a river running through, and i'm very concerned about my property. i just wish if he's going to build, that they really look into that because i'm just two doors up. and my second concern is the way he wants to build, i have a living room window. he'll look right in on me, so i'm concerned with privacy. i'm 75 years old, and i live my myself, so think did suggest things for him to make the building a little different, that everyone would be happy, and he refused to do that. and so, you know, those are my concerns as a resident on

gladys street. that's it. >> commissioner honda: thank you very much. >> clerk: ma'am? ma'am? will you please fill out a speaker card? thank you. >> commissioner honda: we're requesting your auto graph. >> clerk: is there any other public comment on this matter? we just need your name so it reflects accurately in our minutes. is there any other public comment? okay. we'll move on to rebuttal, and we'll hear from mr. greeman first. >> well, i can see where everyone's coming. they keep telling me they're going to catch it, 16, 16 d.b.i. they're going to catch it if the diagrams were accurate, but they're not. if someone had said -- can we have this on the screen, please. if that was listed as being a demo, that wouldn't have gone through 1660.

that's a demo, too because it's up against soil. had they accurately depicted, and they should have known an architect who's been working in this city for two decades would know that wood up against soil isn't going to fly. i don't want to use the word lie -- i guess i just did, but i think it's really deceptive to send a plan in with wood up against soil on concrete that's been observed to be repaired and capped in a 1941 building, to add a full load on a floor with a wraparound deck with a life human load and claim to 1660 that's going to remain. my biggest fear is they go in there, they discover the conditions, and it's red tagged during the construction. i live two buildings up from

the applicant. i was broken into five times. insurance is more when you're in construction. i'm terrified that you're going to go -- discover sure enough that it is in fact a demo, because it is. there is no way to support those floors while cutting away 5 feet of floor to put up that wall. when you do put up the wall, i really, really hope you do what your engineer said. a 12-inch drain, a stem wall that's ten, 12, 18 feet has to be 12 inches thick with rebar. must contain a footer that's 18 inches thick. the rebar must extend 12 inches out to connect with the rebar on your rat pad.

it's not true they're only doing certain facade differences. that's a demo, too, on their diagram, so all this is wrecked. this is a demo, period. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: we will now hear from the attorney for mr. donofrio. >> good evening, commissioners. thank you very much for your patience on what i'm sure has been a long evening for you. we have an incorrect scope of demolition depicted and an incorrect story count, even an incorrect cost of what this story is going to cost. most significantly, the concern is that the removal of the eastern wall, which as we've

heard from mr. duffy if it's wood against soil could create problems. the removal of that wall raises significant demolition and float stability issues. and yes, these are issues that we have raised in other forums because of the concern about this uphill reservoir, the impact on neighboring properties. and what we were told by planning at the board of supervisors was that, "due to the on-site slope, the project is subject to heightened review by d.b.i.'s structural advisory committee." yet now we are hearing from mr. sanchez that planning didn't guarantee us that we're going to go to structural advisory committee. secondly, a geotechnical report would be required before a building permit was issued, yet we haven't seen any further geotechnical reports, so these are some real concerns about what has been analyzed for this project, and that's why we're asking for the permit to be

revoked. however, if the board is not minded to revoke the permit, we're ask that it be referred to d.b.i. structural advisory committee, and if they make a determination regarding the story count, the slope stability issue or the scope of demolition, it should then be referred back to planning. thank you very much for your time. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. we will now hear from the permit holder. you have six minutes. >> i guess the only thing i want to respond to is the quote from the planner was, i think, an environmental planner who was speaking about his thought about what potentially might be required at d.b.i. it's not a d.b.i. representative, and it doesn't conflict with what we're saying here today, which is that d.b.i. will require everything to make sure it complies with safety requirements.

i think that everything, building permits, site permits is used interchangeably, but they're different things if you're filing a full building permit versus a site permit with a future agenda. so i'll stop there, and the team is here to answer any questions. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> clerk: thank you. we'll now hear from the planning department. >> commissioner honda: come on, move it along. this is the last case. get it going, skippy. >> don't rush me. scott sanchez, planning department. what's shown on the plans is not a demolition. the appellant had highlighted something on the plans that he had stated was a demolition. there were separate hashed lines that depict parking space, but that's not shown being demolished on the plans. anything that's below grade does not count towards section 317 calculations, so even if all those retaining walls need

to be replaced, that doesn't count toward 317. i think this board has heard these issues before, and people will come up and claim it's a demolition. >> commissioner honda: first time. >> if anybody wants to be out in front of that, it's the sponsor usually after the department has reviewed conditions generally not very favorably in several cases going back to what was there before or often wanting to go back to what was there when the building was first built. so it was quite a serious matter. and maybe the project sponsor wants to address some of their thoughts and methodology in greater detail, but you know what's shown on the plans as shown to not be a demolition because mr. buskovic notes, we have a process for this. and we do have a process for

this. if there are changes to be made, there's a process for that. if work is done without a permit out in the field, i think that this project will be very well monitored by the neighbors and if there is demolition -- or if even this is a demolition beyond what was approved, there'll probably be complaints about it, and there'll be inspections, investigations. i'm sure there'll be a close eye on it, and if issues are found that it is a demolition, it'll go back to the planning commission and require a conditional use authorization, and that'll be the process. >> commissioner honda: thank you. >> commissioner tanner: one question around the hydrology issues and drainage issues, i imagine there are requirements that properties deal with drain age issues -- that properties

deal with drain age issues that are not on their property? >> that's a d.b.i. issue. >> clerk: okay. we will now hear from d.b.i. >> joe duffy, d.b.i. asking d.b.i. to do a s.a.c. review, if it falls under that type of project, our process would catch that, which is good. i can't tell you people what to do, but a s.a.c. review -- >> commissioner honda: attorneys do it all the time. >> well, when it's not required, it's a little unfair on a permit holder. i would imagine it's just trying to put a team together. if it does fall under any category, whether it's s.a.c.,

when it's slope stablity, when you put an address in our section, you click on restrictions, it'll show you restrictions and slope stablity, and no doubt what mr. sanchez said, there's a lot of eyes on this project. i doubt it will be missed. you had a question. >> commissioner tanner: public drain age, during public testimony time, some folks are concerned with drain age in the area which would be seem to be the permit holder's issue other than the fact that they might suffer from it, as well. can you speak to how we address drain age from one property to the other or what would be required? >> yes. it's a very good question. basically, everyone's responsible for their own drainage. as mr. sanchez said, you can't drain on somebody's property. unfortunately, it's going to drain downhill.

there are occasions -- in this project, for example, if there's drainage, they're going to have to take care of it, the retaining wall, anything like that, they're going to have to take care of it. water can't run from their property on to somebody's property. there may be something just because of the area, and for the lady that got up and said she's got water coming through her garage, she's got a water cable table or something, i would imagine. there's ways she can address that. it may be coming from a neighbor, and she can file a complaint if she thinks there is. if she has clear indication that water it coming over a property line from somebody else's property. >> commissioner tanner: sounds like it may be coming from p.u.c. property to other people's property, so that may be the issue.

>> clerk: thank you. commissioners, this matter's submitted. >> commissioner tanner: i have not heard any testimony that would lead me to believe this permit was not properly issued. i would move to deny the appeal. >> commissioner honda: just because i was smiling and making jokes does not mean that i'm not taking this as a serious matter. this particular project has undergone quite a bit of process and just by the amount of dollars per hour in this room, i think there is going to be a significant amount of eyes watching this project alongside with the departments which whether we like or don't like, we have to have faith in our city departments and their abilities to make things happen, and so i would concur with my fellow commissioner. >> vice president lazarus: as would i, i'm content to let the normal processes take their place because i haven't heard

anywhere here tonight that would encourage me to revoke the site permit. >> commissioner tanner: and just to the woman, you gave testimony just wondering how things would be caught in light of the previous cases, 20-year ongoing permit. i think that's very much on the outside and the outlier of our permit system. what will happen, it will be graded and more studies, as mr. duffy said, related to the project. when we say we'll catch things, it's not that we hope it, it goes through a much more scrutinous review. that's why we have faith in it and most of the time, it does work. >> clerk: okay. so we have a motion from commissioner tanner to deny the appeal and uphold the permit on the basis that it was properly issued. on that motion -- [roll call] >> clerk: okay. so that motion carries, 3-0, and this adjourns the meeting.

[gavel]. >> clerk: thank you.

>> i personally love the mega jobs. i think they're a lot of fun. i like being part of a build that is bigger than myself and outlast me and make a mark on a landscape or industry. ♪

we do a lot of the big sexy jobs, the stacked towers, transit center, a lot of the note worthy projects. i'm second generation construction. my dad was in it and for me it just felt right. i was about 16 when i first started drafting home plans for people and working my way through college. in college i became a project engineer on the job, replacing others who were there previously and took over for them. the transit center project is about a million square feet. the entire floor is for commuter buses to come in and drop off, there will be five and a half acre city park accessible to everyone. it has an amputheater and water

marsh that will filter it through to use it for landscaping. bay area council is big here in the area, and they have a gender equity group. i love going to the workshops. it's where i met jessica. >> we hit it off, we were both in the same field and the only two women in the same. >> through that friendship did we discover that our projects are interrelated. >> the projects provide the power from san jose to san francisco and end in the trans bay terminal where amanda was in charge of construction. >> without her project basically i have a fancy bus stop. she has headed up the women's

network and i do, too. we have exchanged a lot of ideas on how to get groups to work together. it's been a good partnership for us. >> women can play leadership role in this field. >> i tell him that the schedule is behind, his work is crappy. he starts dropping f-bombs and i say if you're going to talk to me like that, the meeting is over. so these are the challenges that we face over and over again. the reality, okay, but it is getting better i think. >> it has been great to bond with other women in the field. we lack diversity and so we have to support each other and change the culture a bit so more women see it as a great field that they can succeed in.

>> what drew me in, i could use more of my mind than my body to get the work done. >> it's important for women to network with each other, especially in construction. the percentage of women and men in construction is so different. it's hard to feel a part of something and you feel alone. >> it's fun to play a leadership role in an important project, this is important for the transportation of the entire peninsula. >> to have that person -- of women coming into construction, returning to construction from family leave and creating the network of women that can rely on each other. >> women are the main source of income in your household. show of hands. >> people are very charmed with the idea of the reverse role, that there's a dad at home instead of a mom. you won't have gender equity in the office until it's at home.

>> whatever you do, be the best you can be. don't say i can't do it, you can excel and do whatever you want. just put your mind into it. [♪] >> i really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world, you shouldn't just be something in museums, and i love that the people can just go there and it is there for everyone. [♪] >> i would say i am a multidimensional artist. i came out of painting, but have also really enjoyed tactile properties of artwork and tile work.

i always have an interest in public art. i really believe that art should be available to people for free, and it should be part of our world. you shouldn't just be something in museums. i love that people can just go there, and it is there for everyone. public art is art with a job to do. it is a place where the architecture meets the public. where the artist takes the meaning of the site, and gives a voice to its. we commission culture, murals, mosaics, black pieces, cut to mental, different types of material. it is not just downtown, or the big sculptures you see, we are in the neighborhood. those are some of the most beloved kinds of projects that really give our libraries and recreation centers a sense of uniqueness, and being specific to that neighborhood.

colette test on a number of those projects for its. one of my favorites is the oceanview library, as well as several parks, and the steps. >> mosaics are created with tile that is either broken or cut in some way, and rearranged to make a pattern. you need to use a tool, nippers, as they are called, to actually shape the tiles of it so you can get them to fit incorrectly. i glued them to mash, and then they are taken, now usually installed by someone who is not to me, and they put cement on the wall, and they pick up the mash with the tiles attached to it, and they stick it to the wall, and then they groped it

afterwards. [♪] >> we had never really seen artwork done on a stairway of the kinds that we were thinking of because our idea was very just barely pictorial, and to have a picture broken up like that, we were not sure if it would visually work. so we just took paper that size and drew what our idea was, and cut it into strips, and took it down there and taped it to the steps, and stepped back and looked around, and walked up and down and figured out how it would really work visually. [♪] >> my theme was chinese heights because i find them very beautiful. and also because mosaic is such a heavy, dens, static medium,

and i always like to try and incorporate movement into its, and i work with the theme of water a lot, with wind, with clouds, just because i like movements and lightness, so i liked the contrast of making kites out of very heavy, hard material. so one side is a dragon kite, and then there are several different kites in the sky with the clouds, and a little girl below flying it. [♪] >> there are pieces that are particularly meaningful to me. during the time that we were working on it, my son was a disaffected, unhappy high school student. there was a day where i was on

the way to take them to school, and he was looking glum, as usual, and so halfway to school, i turned around and said, how about if i tell the school you are sick and you come make tiles with us, so there is a tile that he made to. it is a little bird. the relationship with a work of art is something that develops over time, and if you have memories connected with a place from when you are a child, and you come back and you see it again with the eyes of an adult, it is a different thing, and is just part of what makes the city an exciting place.

>> afternoon. welcome to thesag commission regular hearing for thursday, october 24, 2019. i will start off by saying those members of the public that do not have a seat will have to leave the room. we have made accommodations in room 416 as an overflow room. if you go to room 416, you are able to watch and listen to the proceedings. until such time people vacate these seats you have to stay there or outside of this hearing room. once we begin taking public comment, you will be entitled to enter the room and submit your testimony for which ever item you were hear for. i would like to remind the public we do not