again, i would have to see the images. but i think, like, having pictures of us in handcuffs or something may be triggering. granted, i would like to see pictures of positive relationships with law enforcement and colored young people. that would be nice. >> great. okay. thank you. >> but i don't know where they have those positive relations but you have pictures in the archives. might be a time to brush them out. >> i think you are part of it right now. but i want you to keep that in mind when you look at the pamphlets and i want to hear your feedback when you come back. >> i'll keep that in mind. >> are you saying she might be a crazy old lady? >> you're saying there's a chance that might be true? >> i think everyone is crazy. i might be a little crazy.

>> thank you. >> commissioner dejesus. >> so i just want to get clarification. when you say the sro officer should have training and the chief says they do have training i'm not following what the concern is on the training. >> so yesterday we had a conversation our transformative justice committee, had a conversation with lieutenant yolanda williams. try to make sure i'm not saying people's names wrong. it was that when she had took over the sro program or whatever, and 90 percent of the officers were untrained on a very specific training that related to engaging with the young people in schools, i forgot exactly what she called that training. but -- kind of problematic. >> so that was your concern? >> yes. that was very directly our concern. they aren't trained to interact with

youth and they are already in the schools interacting with youth that may be a problem. >> maybe you can find out what lieutenant williams was focusing on. >> yes chief. i believe what ms. jones is talking about, the understanding teen training, which is part of training that we started doing about a year, a little bit over a year and a half ago. so not all the -- and lieutenant williams was a big part of rolling that training out. so officers, not all officers, but many officers have been trained on that. it was a big issue with the youth commission that really believed that training would be beneficial to the department. so we have rolled that out. and i think that's the training that you are referring to. >> that could be the one, yes. i'm sure you're more aware of what the trainings consist of than

me which maybe we should look into that. maybe we should have a conversation of what the trainings look like. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you >> thank you so much. >> chief, did you have something else? >> policing the teen brain is the actual description of the course. >> the teen brain. >> the teen brain, yes. >> i saw a presentation on that. right. i thought you were saying team rain. >> the dpa was a big part of helping this training be brought to san francisco. >> is that the intent to have all the sros go through that training? >> sros and -- we did a train the trainer portion to get this rolled out. and don't have a count of how many officers have gone through the training but we've had many officers go through the training. >> okay. thank you. okay. next item, please. >> line item 2c. commission reports will be limited

to a brief description of activities and announcements. the discussion will be limited to whether to calendar any of the items. >> i don't have a report. any report by commissioners? commissioner dejesus? >> i attended the meeting of language access. and this is really complicated. so i'm just going to try to give you a nutshell version of this. we are having these issues with officers who were born in a country speak fluently, but cannot get certified by the department of human resources if i have that right. and we had -- we had captain jack heart came to the meeting and put $300 out of his own pocket to train one of his officers to get certified by an outside agency so that when they test that they can say i have credentials.

but those credentials coming from the outside are not being recognized. don't hold me to all this, but they are not being recognized by the department of human resources. and we have other officers paying out of their pocket to get individual certification. so this is an issue that's ongoing. you can have somebody from your office who is there so she probably knows better than i do. there was a discussion. and how are we going to move forward. and they came up with a plan. there's a plan in place they are going to move on. but there may be a timeline with the department of human resources setting it up. i say complicated because it's tied up with budgeting too. when you get certified you get stipends. part of the plan is to look into this and perhaps perhaps try to estimate if there's going to be a six month, 18-month gap from the department of human resources getting it together to certify

and that maybe we can put in the budget some training for officers to get outside certification while they are waiting to get certified by the department of human resources. the other thing we have is remember the bakery incident we had in the valley not the bakery -- i'm getting confused. in richmond station, we have a high need for a language that's not certified. and that we are having -- we have hinn -- hindi and arabic. there is a plan going forward and i'll brief you more on it when i get a better handle of the details. two other things though is even though we are working on certification and language interpretation, that is different from translation. and we do have instances where the

victims were right in their own language, a statement, and those statements technically, i think there was a bulletin out that they had to be translated or at least the gist of it to put in the police report. she said he didn't do it. and we had something worked out but it fell apart. so there's no way to translate what a victim statement is. and many times not be incorporated in the report. and that could be a liability actually for us if a victim is saying i was the one who was attacked, and we charge the victim as the attacker because nobody could read the statement, and it wasn't translated. so that's something that was taken on. and right now that's an open issue. there's no way to do that. the last thing we have officers who were being used in the language access field repeatedly, and there's burnout for those particular officers.

so this is some of the things they are dealing with. and i just wanted to report on that and when we get the plan in place i'll tell you more about that. >> commissioner mazzucco. >> thank you. i want to talk about an incident that took place involving our officers in the community that i was a part of. and it tells you how the community works with the officers, we can achieve things. we have a close ront on octavia street and very proud of what happened and there was a homeless person who has been there for quite a while. she is not making a mess or causing trouble or screaming, but the neighbors are worried about her. they've contacted 311 homeless outreach, they are feeding her providing her with blankets jackets. and this one whom marie who is a friend of my wife's was worried about this person. and she wasn't getting results with

the usual channels. and she was worried about her. and marie is fighting her own battle and winning with some health issues. i drove by and saw the woman in the doorstep and she was shivering and i contacted the captain of the northern station and said can we do something about this? the neighbors are concerned. they want to help her. and a car came right away. and the officers were talking to her and she refused to go anywhere. and marie came outside and said maybe if a woman talks to her it will work. and she worked as liaison between the officers and her and she wanted to go to a woman's shelter. she's more comfortable with a civilian than with officers. this woman left and went to a shelter for the first time. so i want to say this is an example of what our police officers do on the street that goes unrecognized and when they work with citizens who were truly concerned and giving this woman soup and

blankets we have success in this field. last week i drove by and she was not there. again in this society we live in and people are saying nasty things the officers do great things working with the community. and i just want to share that with the commission. and thank marie for what she did. she's an incredible strong woman. >> thank you. commissioner hamasaki. >> thank you. thank you commissioner mazzucco for sharing that story. i think that's as commissioners we see that the homelessness issue is an issue that has to be embraced by the whole city. and it's good to hear about all of our friends, neighbors, community and law enforcement being a part of a positive resolution -- not a resolution but at least a step forward of an individual incident. i just wanted to say that i'm glad

that this election is behind us, and i wanted to congratulate our new district attorney chase bodine on his election. and i know that there was a lot of divisiveness that went on during this election between various actions. i stayed out of the whole election. i didn't -- i mean, i voted. so i didn't actually stay out of the election, but now that it's behind us, i think that it's good to see signs that everybody is looking forward to putting that behind us and working to move forward to ensure that our system of justice is functioning in a way that the citizens of this -- and the members of this city have demanded.

and the divisiveness that took place, that shouldn't extend down to the hall of justice. and i'm optimistic that we're looking at a bright future for this city under district attorney bodine and to thank everybody and acting district attorney and former commission president for running a great campaign and for sitting in until the new district attorney takes over. so i'm looking forward to great things. >> thank you. commissioner elias, i have a question for you about something you said. i want to make sure i get it. an officer who is not certified i understand cannot testify in court.

does the certification hurt the officer outside of court? the lack of certification? >> so we have an expert on this if you can answer. a lot of our officers have technically been recertified for life. and we picked that. they have to be certified now. >> let me ask about the non-certified officer. what are the problems outside of a courtroom? >> in the criminal court an officer not be certified >> outside of a courtroom. forget the courtroom. >> part of what's going on is under the general order, officers need to be certified through dhr so it's an administrative violation if they are not certified and the process is to ensure the officer is at a certain proficient level. and that's part of what the working group is trying to do is right now dhr only provides certification for sworn officers in four targeted languages. but the police department has many

proficient officers in many languages beside the four certified languages like vietnamese or arabic. and so they could be certified. and that's part of what we've been trying to do is expand that pool. but they run all officers if they are not dhr certified when they are in court, they run into trying to establish proficiency and certification enables them to get over that hurdle. >> certification right now must come from dhr. can't come from a third party entity? >> that's an interesting question. we are aware other agencies like the department of emergency management they have used outside third party certification agencies. so that's part of what we were exploring with dhr as well. and at the end of the day, we've been talking about it for so many years, and when incidents happen like the orchard bakery incident where there's a need for a certain officer and most certainly the department has those

officers but there's a hesitancy to call out those officers because they are not certified. we want to get the tools to those officers so they can respond as they want to respond. and there's other incidents where there's been a need for arabic speaking officers. and we want certification. so officers feel confident, be it when they are doing their interview or in court they feel like they have the certification behind them. >> thank you. >> the dgo says they have to be certified is an unfunded mandate. maybe you can explain about there's no money to do that. >> well, i would say it's on the one hand dhr certifies in target languages. but for us to expand to go beyond those target languages i think that's been a challenge and the other thing we've been trying to do and again it's our agency and other agencies working with with the police department is to be able to do that certification right at the academy so there's no

-- it's going to be more efficient, it's going to be less costly to be able to certify recruits right there and offer right at the academy this certification so officers know where to go. they are not having to figure out how to get to dhr and take time from recruit officers having to leave the academy to go to dhr to the the certification process so we are wanting a more efficient system. and that was great to have captain hart come to that meeting because now that he's at the academy he is committed to working with the chief and dhr to get these systems in place. >> thank you. next line item please. >> thank you. >> line item 2e commission announcement for scheduling of items identified for consideration at future meetings. action. >> any items from commissioners? seeing none, next item. >> the next police commission is scheduled for wednesday, december 4, 2019.

5:30 p.m. at city hall room 400. the public is now invited to comment on items 2a through 2e. >> public comment on just the matters we have discussed so far. seeing none, public comment -- sorry. >> is this general public comment? >> not yet. this is just on what we have discussed. good evening. >> i'm not exactly sure all what was discussed or not. >> well, it's important that we do that, because otherwise, if this is general comment i'll ask you to wait >> i'm waiting. but i thank you. >> okay. >> see you in a bit. >> next item then. comments closed. >> line item 3 presentation of the dpa report on general orders, policy proposals second and third quarter 2019 discussion >> good evening.

>> good evening. the department of police accountability. i have a powerpoint. it will take me a second to put it in. >> it's here somewhere. [laughs] >> okay. you are on. >> thank you. good evening commissioners chief scott, director henderson members of the public. director of policy from the dpa. tonight is the night when sfpd and

our agency has an opportunity to give you an overview of department work that we've been working on for the last two quarters. i wanted to briefly talk about our policy role quickly and get some highlights of that work. this is really more for the general public. we are mandated through the city charter to provide policy recommendations on a quartly basis so we provide them through this report and a quarterly report. when we finish investigative reports that's another time we provide findings and recommendations. for the highlights of what we've worked on, we put together a know your rights brochure we made recommendations for an mou between the district and police department. we made recommendations concerning consent searches and we worked on a manual so i'm going to go over those four-years.

concerning know your rights brochure when we knew there was a change in state law concerning interrogations of youth and there was a city ordinance that lowered the age to 17 and below for youth that are in custodial interrogation, they have a right to immediate access to an attorney and need to have access to the attorney before they are interrogated. because of those kinds of changes we wanted to update a know your rights brochure and get that information out. we worked with the police commission. that was the first thing we did. i spent time going to their meetings talking about what they wanted to see, things they wanted to have updated. i worked with a bunch of other organizations. i worked with other youth organizations that provide legal services. i also worked with the public defender's office. so we vetted it through those youth commission and through those organizations to make sure this is going to be a brochure that included the resources that you wanted to have included. and we are making it specific for youth and their parents.

so organizations that we worked with the youth commission, the public defender's office, asian law caucus, strategies for youth, legal services for children and san francisco immigration immigrant legal and educational networks. and some of these organizations agreed to include their resources their phone numbers within this brochure. it's available in six languages. it's on our website. it's a little more difficult to find it on our website. when we redo our website, we want to make sure it's much easier. it's a brochure that we passed out at all our outreach. we have copies here as well. we have it in six languages. we are working on getting it translated into arabic. as i said, we have many brochures here. i've also provided those brochures in our materials to the commission. so that's one of the big things that we did that we rolled out, i believe in may we did that.

the other thing we did was we made recommendations both to the police department and to the school district concerning the mou and we had collaborated with the youth commission some youth organizations on the recommendations we made. and we presented them to a subcommittee of the board of supervisors. and our recommendations included we wanted training and you were all just talking about the strategies for youth training. since 2010 we've been advocating with the youth commission that all officers get the strategies for youth training, because it's about information about the juvenile brain it's about deescalation specific to youth encounters with police. so we've been envisioning this training would be rolled out and all officers would get it in addition to the school resource officers as well. so we wanted that training to be included in the mou. and we made those kinds of suggestions. we also made other recommendations concerning making sure that the procedure now for interrogations of youth that all of that

language would be included in the mou including a 24/7, there's a hotline for the public defender's office so we know that youth parents and police officers know what that number is and they are able to call that number before a youth is actually interrogated. and we made other recommendations making sure that not just youth who are limited english proficient but also their parents making sure there are rules, making sure there are interpreters provided. the prosignificance visions of 7.01 -- provisions of 7.01, we wanted to make sure those aspects are included. to my understanding the mou was in front of the school board last night. so we are hoping that process is moving to a conclusion soon. so a third area that we focused on has to do with consent searches. so historically the police department

requires written consent when there's a consent search of a residence. but building on the 21st century policing, our agency back in 2015 recommended the police department now require written or recorded consent if a consent search of the individual and their person. so we made this recommendation studies across the country are showing consent searches disproportionately impact people of color, and they are not particularly effective as a crime strategy. in fact, what studies are showing the data is showing even our own when the department of justice did a study of sfpd data they found that historically and with the data that individual it is of color, they are searched at a higher rate but the rate of return is substantially less than what a caucasian individuals are. so it's not an effective crime strategy. and in fact really undermines trust. so based on that, we had recommended

that there be -- if there's going to be consent searches, and there are departments who are now doing away completely with consent searches, because the disproportionate impact and the low rate of return. so there are agencyies -- we are ad elevating for -- advocating for a written or recorded consent. it's a proposal under consideration by the chief. we've written a procedure and we are thinking that's going to move forward soon. and then the last thing that we did in the last two quarters was worked on a number of manuals. we reviewed the elder abuse manual the community advisory board manual and the reserve manual. and we appreciate the department's willingness to share those manuals with us and for us to be able to provide that feedback. the last thing that has been really a project of almost three years was we created collaboratively

a domestic violence manual. and we are getting close to finishing up that manual and hope it will soon be in its last stage and be presented to this commission. and that's my presentation. >> thank you. commissioner elias. >> thank you. i wanted to actually commend you on the know your rights pamphlet. i think it's really well put together. and i know that you had shown us this in the working group when sfpd was putting together their know your rights manual for the youth and in speaking with a lot of the stakeholders at the meeting they had indicated how sort of hard you had worked and the sort of collaboration and community input you received to make this pamphlet -- bring this pamphlet together. so i would commend you on your work and efforts for that. because i do believe that the youth are -- they do like it, and

they are benefiting from the know your rights pamphlet that you've been distributing. your agency. thank you. >> thanks. >> thank you. commissioner hamasaki. >> thank you. i just wanted to follow up and say thank you to you and the dpa for continuing to put together some of the most thoughtful policy changes for both the dpa and then also for the commission to consider for our department. i always find that when i reach out to her for questions regarding certain policies, there's always an excellent resource. and i'm grateful for the service that you provide to the department. >> thank you. >> thank you. i'll echo that too. thank you. >> thank you. >> next item, please. oh. we are still -- part 2.

>> good evening. >> good evening. >> executive director? director? executive director? >> oh, my gosh. [laughs] i don't know what's happening right now. i am so sorry. okay. good evening, commissioners. executive director katherine mcguire. good evening director, chief scott public members of the public. i'm here to present sort of the second and third quarter work that we've conducted and with respect to policy. so in the second and third quart we issued 118 department policies and notices, 117 were bulletins and one was a notice.

we issued two general department orders, 2.04 and 3.01. as you know, during the second and third quarter department general order 3.01 was passed at the commission and issued by the department later to the department as a general order. and so we are now operating under a new rubric in which we have no -- we do have department bulletins and notices. the department general orders that we had that were in progress during the second and third quarter include the deaf and hard of hearing, department general order. it is a policy that in which it's the policy that members in the course of their official duties when

encountering a deaf or hard of hearing individual shall provide a qualified interpreter or appropriate auxiliary aid to ensure effective communication. this has been developed with input from members of the working group that included the department of police accountability. it's also been discussed or provided to the police officers association in which they had no feedback on it. and then in addition, the california department of justice has most recently weighed in and we are now going to be looping back with dpa and the working group that helped develop this in order to talk through some of those comments that the california doj may have had. additional general orders that we were working on in quarter the and 3 include investigative detentions

and prohibiting biased policing as commissioner taylor and commissioner elias are well aware. the executive sponsor working group on bias under the usdoj recommendations has been working on those particular dgos and providing a substantial amount of input in developing those revised general orders. and so my understanding is that those are nearly complete and will be coming to the command staff to discuss and then if there's feedback of course going back to the bias working group to talk through that. but otherwise we are nearing a point where we can come to this body with those particular dgos. there's an additional list of dgos here including 11.07. this is another item that was in front of the bias working group and has had a substantial amount of

review with external stakeholders. and we have started concurrence on that item and will be finishing that soon as well. we wanted to call out a couple of areas in both ggo2.04 and dgo3.01 in which the department of police accountability is included in communications and sort of talk through a little bit about how we've been conducting ourselves. and this was all consistent with usdoj recommendations so for instance 2.04, really the revisions that happened there included incorporating all of the charter mandated requirements for complaints against officers investigations that are required of dpa. and also includes the sfpd review

of the previous quarter's cases and aggregate trends to inform policy and training. and then in addition to that, reviewing any cases to determine whether any policy, procedures or training needs to be reviewed added or reissued. and i hope that she feels the same. we have fruitful discussions on a monthly basis in my unit. and we've now asked commander sullivan to join us in that monthly meeting. and i believe that your new policy analyst will be joining us as well. so we are going to be a pretty robust series of discussions going forward with all those parties involved as well. and then finally the dpa is also specified in their role with respect to a written communication system that has been newly established. so many of these things were kind of -- we had already kind of

put in place as good practices in communicating with dpa. this formalizes timelines ask things like that and really helps direct us as to exactly when we are mandated to engage dpa and i feel that we are now doing that and more. and so i think that's the presentation. oh. no. this is a agreed slide. i forgot about this story. you asked us in a presentation to note and count up the number of recommendations under the u.s. doj that had policy revisions recommended. we did this review a while back. and kind of did you go it up in some files of an individual who has now left the unit. but we found this analysis.

we were trying to track down -- not track down but trying to review this count and ensure that it's not stale. so eventually through the process of usdoj recommendations implementation, we may have discovered actually we have to change a policy to do this one thing, even though the recommendation doesn't necessarily call out that there's specifically a policy change that needs to happen. but there may actually be a resulting change that needs to happen from the work of starting the implementation of a particular recommendation. so we are going to take this back and do a more thorough dig on those kinds of items and make sure that we have a very clear picture of which recommendations are impacted by policy. >> thank you. vice president taylor. >> thank you. this last page is good and there's

more questions than you anticipated. >> yes. >> when you come back and do that deeper dive can you report on not only what the correct numbers are but of the correct numbers where are we in terms of our implementation of changes? >> yes >> okay. >> yes, chief? >> i would just like to add, those numbers will be a living document as commissioner taylor and elias are well aware of with our work on the bias dgo which led to other dgos that weren't necessarily on that list. we anticipate that there will be more of that. we'll dig into a dgo and recognize we need to change another one to make that one make sense. so it will have fluctuations on that. >> a good example of that is 5.03, as you all know. it was slated in the schedule already, but it made sense to marry

the two. >> great. okay. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> next item. >> i have a comment online item 3 >> this is public comment online item 3 you said? okay. public comment just on item 3. not general public comment yet. just item 3. seeing none, it's closed. >> line item 4. the general public comment. the public is welcome to address tonight's commission on subjects that are not on the agenda. they shall address the remarks to the commission as a whole and not to an individual. during public comment neither police or dpa personell nor commissioners are required to respond questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response. individual commissioners and personnel should refrain from entering into debates or discussions with speakers during public comment.

>> okay. finely. thank you. >> my name is daniel pais. we have a new district attorney. and you are the board of supervisors. all right. 62 years on this planet, i spent 47 involved in politics, starting with the mcgovern campaign in '72. i was also a volunteer coordinator to pass the equal rights amendment to the constitution while living in texas. i am a cofounder of queer nation san francisco. politics is my passion. and if there's one thing i know it's politics. in all those years i've never seen a more incompetent campaign than that against bodine by the establishment specifically the police officer's association. they ran a trump-like campaign.

dirty, personal attacks, much like the ones they used against jeff even after he died. just like trump's campaign and attacks against john mccain. it used to be the norm that attacking the dead was considered trashy and low class behavior. but without the poas immature crap-slinging campaign and without the mayor's appointment as interim da the powers that be would have probably gotten their way. remember breed only won by a squeaker against jane and mark. her first big political test this election failed miserably. she doesn't have what it takes to be the mayor.

the brains the political astuteness or high character. she is weak. to her allies reconsider your options. the poa is feeding like maggots on the rotting corporation that -- corporation corpse that is the past. the poa needs higher iq and lower blood alcohol level counts. >> next speaker. any other public speakers? >> can i get the overhead? >> yes.

[off mic] >> there should be a button. >> my time speaking tonight is three minutes. and i appreciate all this that i have here. the forum that i have. and speaking about this statue i would like to put up in memory of mario woods. this is a memorial drawing i have to the time that we spend here for mario woods and stuff. and you know, i really appreciate this because when you come down here and everything, when you speak into the mic, when you see the pledge of allegiance, because this is what they are doing. they are pledging allegiance. it's not like the national anthem.

but this pledge of allegiance. and we all are americans. and mario is a hero. he's a martyr. and when mario woods was spoken occupy by can -- because of the wardrobe malfunction, she said, you know like she said a lot. it was like a pledge of allegiance. so this football he's putting here and mario woods and everything, you know. when i was a teen, what happened in chinatown and everything, you know, i was walking down polk street, and this girl said help me help me and i said no you're crazy people right there by all the homeless people. why are they looking at me? i'm 7 years old. but you know, i was really lucky that i was able to be there because i could do something.

she says really, he broke my window, i was just driving down the street and he takes my phone. you know? it's a very dangerous thing to have $100 waving it in front of these people. and i say, you know, i was really afraid for her at that moment, because he really gave her a dirty look. and i said i'll take care of it, i'll take care of it. and you know, when it comes to the police, you're really lucky to have them around when you need them. you could take this off. it's all right. i wouldn't mind being on the camera. you know? like when it comes to getting down here and being able to speak to you all and be here. you know? it's so blessed. it's a blessing, you know? so you know, as i walk around the corner following the guy, you know i'll take care of it. who shows up but the police, four of them. unmarked car. and i say help me, help me, help me. one second we had them down.

and you know, they were so good what they did that day. you know? and i was too. i'm a hero in my own eyes. >> thank you. your time is up. thank you. [laughs] >> just hand it to -- all right. thank you. [off mic] >> all right. we are ready for our next speaker. thank you. >> today is my mother's birthday. >> happy birthday to her. [off mic] we need our next speaker. i'm sorry.

okay. good evening. >> hi there >> we need the mic please. >> with the public defender's office. i'm focused on police misconduct among other things for a couple of reasons. i want to sort of go back to the basics for a minute. or ten seconds perhaps. number one is because police misconduct undermines public trust in our systems. number two, it jeopardizes individual case integrity. number three, it victimizes the individuals that suffer directly from misconduct. and number four, it devalues the work of so many, many good cops. last week a commissioner opined people watching the meet would feel unsupported of discussion of the 79 reports of misconduct in the dpa's 2018 annual report. it struck me in a couple ways.

first it's important to note that those 79 cases are just from the folks that had the wherewithal and courage to not only report to dpa to follow up. second the point of the information is to allow everybody to see it and talk about it and digest it. the third the innocent victims might feel unsupported to hear the commission questioning a relatively short discussion on the topic. and then last it's because those honest and well-intentioned and respectful and peaceful and hard-working police officers should feel great that misconduct in their ranks is rooted out so that they don't suffer the discredit that comes from it. i wanted to ensure that you all saw the study that was published by the sacramento bee and other out lets this weekend. and i have copies of it.

this is a problem. the fact that many police have convictions and pending cases and we are not focused on making sure that those criminal convictions and pending cases are disclosed that we have a system for disclosing it, at least in active cases that those police are involved with, is a problem that we all need to come together and solve in my opinion. after personally witnessing all right. i will stop there. >> you have thirty-seconds. >> i have 30 seconds? okay. thank you. after personally witnessing pd perjury not so long ago the judge put out a call to all of us. he asked how do you protect the integrity of the judicial process to ensure he find that is presented in court is truth? i think this is a call for action for all of us who care about

that integrity and that truth. and so -- >> okay. now your time is up. >> i want to hand out. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> next speaker. good evening. >> good evening commissioners. >> did you have a comment to this last -- >> just quickly. i want to be clear and defend my fellow commissioner a little bit. i don't think anyone on the commission has an issue with dpa's report. in fact, we are the one who asked director henderson to give us that report of the 79. we are the ones asking for the information. there was a discussion last week about the way certain things in the report were represented. and that's what the lively discussion was about. but there's no impression we all wanted that information and we asked for it. i don't think any commissioner was trying to suggest that any bidirector henderson giving us that

information there was something improper about it. we all wanted it and we asked for it. >> commissioner mazzucco >> you may have missed a point there. i agree with you. the police officers one bad police officer makes it bad for every other officer in this department. and i've heard that mantra for years. but the officers are not feeling supported. because they do a lot every day that we don't know about and you as a public defender coming here and you raise these issues because your job is to be a public defender, you raise those before the judge where your client has a case pending. but the constantly are taking this negative nobody ever focusing on the positive. so in order for us to bring change, it's difficult to bring change when we are continually hammering on the negative. the negative is recognized. you would be surprised that we do as a commission. but the reality is there's a certain that seems not to want to let it go. you as a public defender represent people who have been accused

and sometimes wrongfully. it happens on both sides of the aisle. >> commissioner elias. >> thank you. i wanted to thank you with bringing up the point with respect to 79 instances because i think i lost sight of that. 79 instances out of a police force of 2,000 what is it 2300? so you have 2300 officers and 79 instances in one year? the odds are great in terms of they're not being a lot of instances of misconduct. so it is very low. and so i think that that's why it's important for us to take a deep dive into the sort of few instances that are recorded and really explore them. so thank you for reminding me about that. >> okay. we'll resume public comment. thank you. >> good evening commissioners, chief scott, director henderson. i'm here to ask sfpd to report to the commission and public about the lead program, law enforcement

assisted diversion. this program was molded after seattle's award-winning program to refer drug offenders. to community based health and social services as an alternative to jail and prosecution. programs like lead are exactly what we need to improve the health status of participants and end the cycle recidivism. so far the program appears to be unutilized and appears to -- those arrested for low level drug offenses are by and large black and brown people. they don't participate in the same rates in the lead program through referrals or social contacts. i have a chart that illustrates that racial disparity. bring that out. there we go. wrong way. there we go. the whole thing. okay.

>> thank you ms. brown. there's a thing on the side. yeah. >> time's up. sorry. [laughter] >> thank you. >> we'll give you an extra 20 seconds for being technologically challenged >> thank you. the racial disparities are kind of the opposite of what we do expect. so normally one-third of participants are black and nine percent are latin while more than half are white. similar disparities exist for those referred to lead instead of those who are booked. recently published at the public defender's office. and i brought copies that push back on the city's representations to the board of supervisors that they were

arresting mid- to high level drug dealers. the data showed they weren't. it revealed 93 percent of people in the operations were black or brown. we've heard that referrals to lead don't happen after 5:00 p.m. because of the parole don't work after 5 p.m. i think the data here prompts us to at least should prompt the commission to take a hard look at lead starting by sfpd to present on the topic focused on the racial disparities the number of participants compared to the eligibility ones and all validation measures. thank you. >> okay. thank you. commissioner elias. >> thank you. >> i appreciate that. >> can we grab a copy? copies? thank you. >> the lead program i think i've spoken several times about the program. because i actually was the attorney at the public defender's office when we tried to implement this program from seattle. and i had the opportunity to travel to seattle and meet the lead

team there who had created this program. and it's a nationally-recognized program and being implemented in other major cities like atlanta, new york different cities like that. so i think it is a great program. and i've spoken to the chief about the program prior to joining the police commission. and i have to say that the chief actually -- he was committed to sort of making sure that the program succeeded. i know one of the issues was officer buy-in in terms of having a new program and getting them to buy into the program and make these referrals. because from the officer's perspective what they were feeling is it's like another drug quarter where they refer people and nothing gets done and they aren't seeing people actually utilize the services but rather return on back to the street, which sort of gave the officers -- they lost hope in referring people to the program. so i know that that was an issue.

and sort of the racial disparity was an issue in terms of the referrals when i had left the program more than a year ago. so i would ask you chief to give us an update and status on the lead program. and i've said how hsoc resembles that program by taking people and rather than arresting them providing them with services and giving them more hand holding and resources to sort of navigate through the system rather than just giving them a court that says hey, show up here. so i would like an update on the status of the program. because i know it was grant-based and i thought it was three years. >> there was extra funding that was unused. they are rolling through that. >> do you know what the expiration date? >> the end of this fiscal year, june 30 of 2020 >> so yeah. as of june 30 you have to reply?

what happens? >> or if the program is being successful given the evidence of the program, we have to find a way to fund it. the police department did not get any funding for lead. so we are on a our own like we often are in terms of that. >> it's through dph. it was like $2 million. it was a big grant. >> it was almost $6 million. >> i know it was a couple. >> million. >> the program. >> i was like can i get that? >> the dph would like to support -- >> there was a lot of funding because it's a multi-agency. it's the police department dph it's glide. there's other agency. so they were at the table when this program was sort of implemented. so again, i would like an update of status. and i do want an answer or analysis of the racial composition in

terms of what type of people are being referred to the program and why there are sort of some racial disparities that may or may not be existing with respect to the referrals. and it's only in the tenderloin and mission district. so it's not even throughout the city. it's two very targeted areas in the city that are participating in the program. >> commissioner hamasaki. >> thank you. and thank you for bringing this to our attention. i know that commissioner elias has spoken about this many many times. and so i would actually go in the quest for a report on this. it does sound like a new and innovative and potentially productive program. so we obviously all want to learn about things that work, where there's room for improvement and especially

if we are coming up on a funding issue in the middle of next year maybe it's a time we took a look at it as a commission and heard more about it. >> vice president taylor. >> yeah. i want to join them. i think the issue is not so much that it's a third because you can say black people are a third of the program but given the small percentage of the san francisco population and given the large percentage of the incarcerated population, that is concerning. i know you shared these concerns when i was talking about the templates. every little thing we do in terms of how we present who minorities are in the city, all those things we internal lies so to have pamphlets to know your rights that have black and brown people on them, but in the program like lead which gives people a second chance you have a relatively small percentage considering the population that's actually in the jails.

we can do better as a city. so every little thing that we do as a department, as a commission to instill in people okay, you are either valuable or you are less valuable i think is really important. and, you know down to the pamphlets that we have on know your rights. we should have as many white people as they do brown. like scholarships should not just have white people on it. so i know you agree with those things. i would like to delve people. we do ourselves a disservice if we are not giving our minority population the same chances. >> thank you. next public speaker. good evening. >> good evening. >> drives me crazy >> i would like to use the overhead again as usual. i'm here concerning my son. can i fix this? it's hard to fix. >> other way other way.

>> don't start my time yet. >> all right. let's go back. >> there you go. >> yes. my son was murdered august 14 2006. and i come here every day -- i mean every wednesday. i am still saying that my son's case isn't solved. and what is it that we can do to get it solved. and it's been 14 years now. and i'm not of resources about what to do anymore. i know i have my investigator. i know i do all the things that i do. but i was wondering if there's anything in the law that can change that can solve these homicides for mothers like myself. so that i wouldn't have to come here like i do every day --