they're all in the record, but this is what i have converted things from what you are about to be presented with right now. >> good evening. >> good evening. i am here to represent the first , second, and third-quarter reports for the department of police accountability. each of the three reports follows the same format, so all of them contain summary investigation statistics which include the number of cases that we received each quarter, the types of allegations associated with those cases. they all have demographic information about complainants and officers and the outcomes of cases, which includes the cases mediated as well as the cases sustained. those are all broken down by quarter. and note about some of the

charts. all of the charts that are compiled by unit, there is a little bit of a formatting issue we consolidated them so they sit on one page. in the process it eliminated some of the delays for the district station. i just wanted to point that out. we expanded them and created bigger versions which we brought over -- brought this evening and will post to our website. it is the same concept in the reports currently but bigger and easier to read. in addition to investigation statistics, h. quarterly report contains updates on our operations and our core practice areas. those include the policy division, mediation, outreach, and auditing division. because we all are very similar in structure, i will take some differences and some of the highlights from each of the

quarters. in the first quarter, for the first time ever, d.p.a. investigated share of's misconduct cases at the request of sheriff hennessy. we also prepare the changes and obligations under the california public records act, which made, as you have been discussing, confidential records disposable be? held a mediator refresher training for our large staff of volunteer mediators and we had a swearing-in ceremony for new staff. in the second quarter we worked with the marriage's office and the board of supervisors to reach a balanced budget which will cover the next two fiscal years. our division came and presented to the commission on the status of the audit and the difference between our audit and sfpd's 96 a report. our agency developed a strategic report -- plan and the second quarter a report contains a lot

of information about our internship program, which is most robust during summer. in the third quarter we incorporated the new findings into our workflow under 2.04, we were to adopt consistent findings language with sfpd so that was implemented when we rolled out our new case management system, which was the other huge project for the third quarter. that concludes my remarks about the reports and i'm here to answer questions that you have. >> go ahead. >> please. >> okay. [laughter] i might have just missed this, but why do we get the three-quarter reports all at once? >> i will go ahead and answer this. essentially this is for 2019 and we will have the reports were --

presented chronologically. that report was ready to be presented to the commission but then delayed for scheduling reasonings and to make sure all of the commissioners were present for that. and then these all, based on commission scheduling needs had to be put on one calendar and we wanted that done before the end of the year. also, we revamped how they did the report. we could have gotten them done a little sooner but they follow the old format and would not have had the new details and consistent format that we wanted to present to you. [please stand by] will -- every single month i get

calls from the deaf advocates who are at the table and they are so distressed that this has taken so long. i just want to underscore the great work that happened and that the delay has caused innumerable stressor points for those throughout the table. >> where do they get bogged down >> i would ask the department in part. i know ultimately the d.g.o. is it sent to cala d.o.j. for comments, but there were significant delays. and again, this was a working group. we had done best practice research. this is based on federal consent decrees across the country. we met -- you were there. >> you were there. >> did i miss a meeting and we passed it? >> absolutely not. >> the delays undermine the

fabulous work. these advocates were coming to the east bay. they are individuals who work in the city. i look forward to us being able to present this next phase but it is urgent that we get it. thank you. >> i appreciate that. >> before you move on, are you able to speak to the delays? >> part of what happened, as you all know in the commission, you have been involved in many of these policy developments. after we finished the policy, we actually had the california d.o.j. weigh in as part of their collaborative reform initiative pack. they had some recommendations for us. that process is part of the reason for the delay. a lot of it is just the negotiations that happened along the way. i know i said in some of those meetings myself with the mayor and others that it is just the

process we have. it takes probably longer than all of us would like. however,, when we get the recommendations from the california d.o.j., then it sets us back to negotiating those. that is where we are on this. i will follow-up with the executive director to go to the commission. i think we are through everything. >> just a comment, this is something that we talked about earlier in the year, which -- which was having a quicker turnaround of the documents and policies that are going through the department and not getting things bogged down in the process.

i do understand having worked as part of the state d.o.j. process , when they are a fort -- unfortunately overwhelmed. i do want to see things turnaround on the commission side. please feel free to reach out to me if we are not -- if this is not moving forward in the beginning of the year. thank you. >> i have a question on a few areas of the report. i will start with youth. on page seven of your third-quarter report, the demographics of complainants. it appears, from my understanding, that ages 14 to 16, there were 46 complaints within that age bracket, which is essentially a 20% increase from the second quarter report, and then the first quarter report didn't even have the category in the cable. so i am trying to figure out why

that is a pretty significant jump in terms of the complaints for that demographic, especially those youth. i'm trying to see why. >> we have not looked at that particular statistic or the reason behind it. i am happy to drill down on what could be the cause and provide answers in the future. as of right now, i don't know what caused it. >> i would really like to know. a 20% increase is huge from last quarter for young adults. i know this is an issue that we are dealing with in terms of the new legislation that is being passed by the board of supervisors and the m.o.u. with the schools and all the work that the commission and the department has been doing about involving youth, so i think that we need an answer to that. >> and that is part of the value of the reports is to point it out in the analysis even that we would do is only coming from the complaint perspective. if there were complaints made or

associated with those, that might be a question that is more appropriate for the department to answer about if it is correlating to the statistics that they have as well, but that is exactly why we have the reports so we can see stuff like this and chalk it. >> it will be important to see reports are being filed by this demographic and this particular age group. that was my first question. my second question is with respect to the next page on page eight with the demographics of officers with complaints. i noticed there's a rising trend in terms of the sergeant category. it appears in the third quarter it is about 10% and it is up from eight and a half% or 9% from the second quarter, and i know it is a smaller category of officers compared to officer and inspector and captain, but i guess my concern is if there is a rising trend, i want to know

more in terms of why that is happening. >> again, i don't have a specific answer as to why that number is what it is. one thing that i think comments on this, as well as your previous question is we are working on the creation of the disciplinary review board that is newly required. and one of the purposes of that board is for us and the department to work together to analyse exactly those types of trends and statistics. these could be a good starting point for us. i will look into it further. i do think that the department and d.p.a. have a plan in place where we will actually, on a quarterly basis, we talking about those trends and having a more of a conversation. >> in my third area, and then i will stop, is a supplement that

you just passed out today that broke it down by unit, what is the unknown assignments? are those the undercover units? what does that catch a good -- what is that category? is significantly higher. is that because it is a catchall if it is a catchall, what does the capital include? >> unfortunately that number is high. it is a catch all. it is the default value when there is a data entry error or a data point that is not entered. that is something that we are working to resolve for the first and second quarter. those numbers are based off of our old system. now we have migrated everything over into the new system and we will backtrack and try to fill in those data points for the annual report. >> i think it is the third quarter. do we not have it? >> i believe the third quarter had all of the data labels in their.

>> never mind. thank you. >> can you come back up? i was looking through the language access for the third quarter and i do remember these in the third quarter, but i'm wondering if you can update us. can you update us on what has -- anything that has been accomplished or where we are currently? >> thank you for the question. i met with d.h.r. on monday specifically to talk about what are the possibilities so we could expand certification for officers in languages beyond the five core languages. i also met with them to talk about institutionalizing the ability for recruits to be able to be tested, and also -- officers also be able to be tested from the academy. i also talk to d.h.r. about if we could get officers certification concerning translation. i was meeting with a new policy employee from d.h.r., but the

request that we had in that individual's mind seems quite reasonable, especially when i pointed out that employees have these opportunities for certification, but for some reason, sworn officers don't. so i had a good discussion with d.h.r. i invited them to come to our next meeting in january and they will do the research and hope that they would come. we also talked about the plan being that we would also like the chief to come to the language access working meeting. so we can really problem solve and be able to move forward on these parts. we have been working on them for quite some time. >> can you let us know about the next meeting in january? >> it is the second tuesday at mission station in their conference room that is on the 17th avenue side. we meet from 9:00 a.m. to 10:00

p.m. i will also send out that specific date and the draft agenda. thank you. >> please call the next item. >> line item one c. is youth commissioner's report. >> is there anyone here from the youth commission? >> good evening. >> hello. i represent district 11 on the youth commission. i'm filling in for commissioner jones, representative of district 10. i will be reporting back on what the commission has done and general requests. i haven't done this before. [laughter] >> good to have you here. >> thank you. and the justice committee we had talked about police officers and community engagement hours. we were informed that not all

patrol officers are required to go out into the community and necessarily spend time in it. is recommended, but not necessarily crucial. so we wanted to ask if there was some type of requirement for them to be out. maybe a couple of hours within a six-month capacity or something around that so they can understand what communities they are serving. there is also -- yeah. as long as police officers are going and the communities are being represented. it is important for them to understand the members of the community and understand their issues. if we're going to combat issues in regards of community -- communities of colour, trusting police officers is a two-way street. we have also had conversations with acting chief williamson chief scott regarding having plainclothes officers to have a more vulnerable and honest dialogue. often times people may feel uncomfortable around seeing

officers in full uniform, especially with the weapons that they may have. if there's any rumour flexibility around that, that would be greatly appreciated. trust is necessary when building relationships with these communities, and investment into the relationships because history with communities can be so complex. falling along with sfusd and the sfpd m.o.u., we hope to see these voted on by the board of education with the recommendations we have submitted. we played a vital role in outreaching and putting our recommendations on the chief ordinance and we hope the department can make sure to follow the right procedures to make sure my people -- young people know their rights and their rights to council. in terms of what we can report back to what these commissioners have done since november, we have visited juvenile hall and

met with the director from there and we had a conversation of what the day-to-day schedule me look like for youth in there. we have had conversations with chief scott and conversations with yolanda and kevin. what we are working on currently -- is that person here? sorry, kevin. and what we are applying to do in the next year, we are currently working on our budget priorities. we are ultimately hoping to do a resource fair or youth please -- youth police roundtable. >> thank you. wait, wait, wait. >> not that fast. [laughter]. >> you have great ideas. i wanted to ask you about one of them. it was about plainclothes officers. are you asking for uniformed officers to spend some time in plainclothes? >> yeah, i was just reading off my phone. if they were to attend community events, for example, when the

minister of justice attended a town hall, many of the officers were there and they were in full uniform with all of their weapons intact. and some of the individuals at the event and other commissioners had felt it was a bit uncomfortable, especially seeing it was -- if there is any way that a commissioner -- commissioner jones has said in adaptive uniform, away where they honor the rules that they have to be ready for anything that may happen, so an attacker, but also be aware that sometimes the uniforms that they may wear may scott justly or subconsciously trigger the environment and the culture that the room is an with certain members of certain communities. so if there is any wiggle room around that that would be appreciated. >> thank you. >> i wanted to thank you, commissioner jones, because he came to our working group

meeting this past monday and it was, number one, great to see him. i think commissioner taylor and i were very happy took us up on our offer to join or participate in the working group. not only was he there, but he provided some invaluable input and advice in terms of us -- and a working group, because we are at the part where we are trying to roll out the bias free policing strategic plan. so it was really refreshing to have his young, youthful point of view, and not only that, he is a san francisco resident. he was able to share with us some of the experiences he had growing up, as well as his family, which i think really helped put things in perspective when we are in those kinds of groups. i wanted to tell him thank you. let him know i really appreciate it and i would welcome any other youth commissioners or youth to participate in this process because it is very important,

and it does help us, especially when we are writing these policies and implementing these policies. >> of course. i will pass that along to him. thank you. >> thank you. chief, if you have any answers for the young commissioner tonight. >> yes. i met with the board of the youth commission on monday and the discussion was around when we meet some of the members of the commission, and probably others feel uncomfortable when we are in uniform. the ask was, is there any way we could meet in a plainclothes capacity. what i told them is there are occasions where that can be worked out. i think we had our roundtable and many of the officers were in plainclothes. it can be worked out. but i also explained that when officers are on duty, they have to carry their equipment because they have to be ready to respond to whatever comes their way.

they understood that part. it is just a matter of setting the parameters of the meetings where we can have officers like we did the last time come in plainclothes where it is appropriate. is something we will work on together and hopefully have another roundtable here to discuss in the future. >> i did want to touch on that point because it is a two-way street. the communities will try to do is much as they can't have a more positive and more sustainable relationship with law enforcement. i want to honor that. >> thank you. >> thank you for your presentation. >> of course,. >> one of the things i wanted to ask that you can do, and you might know about it because i thank you touched on the work you guys are doing around youth councils. i thank you have one in district 11. >> i thank you have one in district 11. >> i was asking about the youth councils. when you come up to the next commission meeting, it is worth mentioning the progress that you guys are happening -- having,

and if there any issues working with groups to help you guys formalize those councils. >> i believe district one has developed a youth council. i know district 11 has and i believe. commissioner jones that there is a d10 youth council in the works i am not part of that but i know that there has been evidence strides to make sure that the youth in the district 11 are represented because district 11 is representative of many marginalized communities, big families, immigrants, so there is a lot of political -- there is a big political culture there so to have that space -- i think with anybody, it is difficult to get the word out because of accessibility and who can hear these things. we have a little bit of accessibility for some communities. i think the youth commission has done a lot to help aid them around anything that they need of getting outreach and connecting with each other.

>> absolutely did. thank you for that. i think that is worth noting just to see how active our youth commissioners are. the fact they have taken the time to say that they know either youth cannot come down to city hall, so we need to create councils within the district to make sure their voices are being heard. i want to speak to the activity that you guys are doing. keep it up. >> thank you. >> i am glad to hear that you guys are going into the community, and especially d11 where there is a huge asian community and their is a big need for translators. do you have the capability to have translators follow different languages in that district? >> in regards to what exactly? >> when we go to those ones, we have to get translators to come because there is a heavy asian, and documented population and asian population.

they speak a variety of dialects i am wondering how the youth commission, when you go out to these communities, are you able to bring interpreters or do you see that as a problem? >> it is a concern. it does go back to the point of accessibility. many of the commissioners on these commissions are bilingual. we try to get as many people for any event. there is always a mix of languages. we tend to be very intersectional. we do come to issues, but it is one of those things we don't necessarily know because we know x amount of people are here, but who is missing from the table and that dialect? we do struggle with those things and we are making strides in order to make it more diverse. it is important to be aware of diversity but making sure these communities and people and

spaces are safe for them. if you just have eczema out of marginalized people in a space, it is not safe for them and you are not doing anything and you are only contributing to the problem. we have made a number of interviews and meats and one on ones to work around community-based organizations to get translators to get a workaround for and documented immigrants. that is a big population in d11. there is -- we want to go to these events, but we don't feel like we are seen. we are not historically allowed in these conversations in that language barrier. i want to say these things, but unfortunately i don't say it in a language that is socially accepted in america. how can i get my point across if they don't literally understand me?

>> i want to thank you. so often i worry on this commission that we are in a small little bowl and we are not necessarily -- there is a very small segment of the population that can be here at city hall on a wednesday night at 5:30 p.m. people have jobs, people have families. i wonder -- i worry it is not reflective of the entire population. so much of what we do as a commission affecting people in san francisco. i want to thank you for showing up here and showing up at the working group meeting we had. it is really important that we have the voices of young people. just a little unsolicited -- unsolicited praise. thank you very much for being here and giving your input and ideas. >> of course. thank you for saying that. i also think there is merit in being able to say that. although there are 17 representatives, we are only 17 people and there are many districts. the issues are only intensified and we can only speak to my

narrative in my story that. hopefully that is something that not only this board, but our board as well can tackle and be aware of diversity and having everyone at the table. because the concept of being a voices no longer a thing. sometimes people just need to be able to pass the microphone. >> thank you very much for that. you make us feel not good. [laughter] >> thank you, it's amazing. >> next line item. [please stand by]

>> sorry about that. >> that's okay. it's really just an announcement. i wanted to make sure i thank commissioner karen from the southeast community facility commission. her organization has given help to underrepresented families. i think it's the fourth or fifth

giveaway she's done, correct? >> tenth, i believe. >> the tenth giveaway. it was last friday. they do bike giveaways. i did want to make sure i acknowledged her and thanked her and her organization for their charitable donation to families in the community. >> commissioner hamasaki >> thank you. last week i attended a meeting at affirmative action for captain yick and one of the sergeants who i don't recall his name, as well as a number of members from the chinatown community to discuss the ongoing real problems that asian-americans, the chinese community are having in this city, both in chinatown and other districts where there's heavy asian populations and the

mayor's office as well. and really i think everybody is seeing the news reports and headlines so i don't need to repeat all of that. but people are really looking for new and innovative solutions to a problem that seems to have spiked up in a way that is causing a lot of real challenges within various communities. so it was good to be there and hear everybody's perspective and hopefully we can keep working to make advances so that there's no longer the fear or concern of chinese and asian-americans being targeted in our communities. >> thank you. next line item. >> line item 1e, commissioner

announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration. action. >> our next meeting is january 8, is that right? >> that's right. january 8, 2020 at city hall room 400. >> all right. next line item. >> the public is invited to comment online item 1a through 1e. >> good evening. my name is john jones. i would like to follow up on the chair's comment that public comment is going to be curtailed this evening because you are all so busy. it has been my impression over the years i've attending these meetings that this commission is uniquely unresponsive to the public comment.

i've rarely if ever seen a commissioner ask a question about someone commenting. if you care about what they say, you ask a question about it. the most important thing to this commission is the speakers add here to the two-minute limit because god forbid we don't want to waste your time. with respect to the two-minute limit, i think some people come up to this podium merit more than two minutes. i particularly remember the two chinese businessmen who came a couple months ago. and in my opinion, if i merit two minutes, they merit at least five, because they had a story to tell. so a larger question on my mind is whether or not this commission individually or

collectively has the accuminimum to ask a question of john q. citizen who stands up here and asks a question or makes a statement, whether or not you have the ability to discern what that person has to say. it's a question in my mind. i give up the balance of my time. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening. my name is adrian. i'm with justice. i'm here to address the shooting of a young man of color in the mission on saturday. and i would like to know if the commission would ask the chief, right now, to tell us what are the names of the officers who shot this person, because that is not confidential. also i would like to know the name of the officer who was

supposedly injured and under what circumstances was he injured, and if they will provide evidence of that moment to the public at the town hall meeting, because an article just published by mission local has indicated that there was a video that was viewed by mission local, though not published, because they didn't have permission, in which it is very clear that the person shot by these officers was being chased and in no way presented any threat, therefore this makes it an unnecessary shooting that violates also time and distance policies of this commission, which i really hope you will enforce with disciplinary action. i would also hope that the chief informs us what is the records of these officers involved in the shooting, including what type of complaints they had had,

disciplinary actions, internal affairs incidents. we also hope that you will give us more information about evidence that we hear is out there, which is drone videos that have been confiscated by sfpd, cell phone security camera, and whether there was any body camera videos. if the names of those officers could be please given to us, that would be great. thank you. >> can you repeat what the town hall is going to be, chief scott? >> yes, thank you. tuesday at 6:00 p.m., this coming tuesday at 6:00 p.m. at cesar chavez elementary school. >> thank you >> good evening. i went saturday to the corner and talked to the community. it was upset, disturbed and yet not surprised, sadly, by the incident. we are very concerned why if there are no charges, has the

family not been allowed to be with this man who is in critical condition. we know when people are in critical condition they need love, they need care, they need to know somebody is there. no charges and not being allowed to see their family. their family was at the press conference last night. why? this is cruel and unusual punishment. if any of you saw the video they published of this young man, he has had a difficult childhood with a lot of drug abuse around him. they showed video of him in a recovery program. it was amazing video saying how he's learned to try to participate in society. maybe he held back from it, we don't know. i'm not going to conclude anything. but i find this so disturbing. where was the time and distance? how come the police are saying, and they are not saying what weapon, there's implications of a bottle that no one else in the public or witnesses have concluded or said that there was a weapon involved.

so we are very upset. now, that building on the corner there is mainly filled housing for parole and probation. so those people are very afraid and could be intimidated very much by the police if they try to say what they saw. so no time or distance, no charges. family is not allowed there. names withheld of the police officers. this is not how procedure is meant to be. using time and distance, a negotiator, we are chasing this man down the street, obviously he's having some kind of incident. this is not compassionate. it's not fair. it's wrong. and i do hope and pray that he survives this. his body was also laying naked on the dirt -- [off mic] >> thank you. next speaker. >> yes, i would like to make

some comments about the shooting on saturday. specifically regarding some of the euphemisms that have been used in the discussion of it by this panel tonight. so i keep hearing the phrase officer-involved shooting, which to me is a bit strange because what we are really talking about here is an officer shooting a member of the public. it's not just simply involved. okay. let's be specific. let's not minutes words with that. >> what would be a better phrase? >> i would like to finish first if you don't mind. it would be simple to say that the officer shot the member of the public. i don't think we need to say officer-involved at all, really. secondly, i've been hearing people say that the officer and the victim were both harmed, which to me also seems like euphemisms. let's be clear that the damages

were completely disproportionate on the side of the victim here, as i understand it, the officer was discharged the same day with minor head injuries, while the victim is still in the hospital in the trauma unit, still in critical condition from being shot in the legs three times. thirdly, i would like to be clear that even though there are nonviolent means to disarm a person who is being violent toward the police officer without a firearm, without a knife, these were not used in this case apparently or if they were used, the man was still shot three times. so i think we have to be clear about these facts in the discussion. and i think the panel has so far evaded the seriousness of this incident. >> thank you. chief, i'm going to ask you to explain. we often use the term officer involved shooting in this commission. if you can explain to the public what that means, what that

covers. >> thank you, commissioner, vice president taylor. to the public an officer involved shooting is used to describe any incident in which an officer discharges a weapon at a member of the public, intentionally discharges a member at a member of the public. whether or not there's -- the person is shot or not. that's the definition of an officer-involved shooting. >> thank you. next speaker. >> i'm luke moody, formerly home lessen. i'm here to speak about the shooting of jamaica hanson near 23rd and cap. the people want police to hold a town hall meeting without delay. i was here in this building a week ago speaking about the frequent flouting of senate bill 1421. this is a perfect opportunity

for police to comply with that law and communities demand a release of all written and video records right away. a gun was discharged in confrontation with a citizen who was unarmed. only the police department say that the man was armed with a makeshift weapon. we want the body cam footage. all three cameras, security camera footage and the statement from the officers involved as is procedure. all items confiscated from bystanders should be documented as well. police have had ten days from december 17th to release the date and location of a town hall as is procedure. well, now we know the town hall is scheduled for december 17th, tuesday, 6:00 p.m. at cesar chavez elementary school which is the maximum at the extent of ten days. let's work hard to follow the

law and do our homework on time. >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. if i can hand a copy of my comments, if you would be willing to take that, please. i am patty, managing attorney of the san francisco public defenders office juvenile why do you want. i'm responding to the very eloquent comments of youth commissioner on the youth rights bill. that legislation was effective in april of this year. and i worked really hard on -- with the board of supervisors in drafting the legislation and ensuring that it passed the board of supervisors. it was unanimous and the mayor immediately signed it into law. i will say that after my

training with 11sros at mission station on august 21, many questions and concerns were raised by the officers. they were worried about violating the new state and local ordinance, resulting in d.b.a. complaints which could pose barriers to promotions and worst-case scenario, what happened in alameda county sheriff's department where there was video taping of conversations between an attorney and youth, providing miranda consultation. the sheriff is prosecuted and is facing four felony charges for eavesdropping on confidential communication. so the miranda bill was enacted to ensure protections for the youth. and i remind you this ordinance was written as a result of the police interactions with students when a gun was

discharged at the high school. and since april, we have provided 24/7 consultation for 152 youths. of those, 27 youths, 17 were 13-year-olds. six were 12-year-olds and three were 11 and yes, 1:10-year-old. so the reason for the legislation, we need to move forward on -- [off mic] i want to give you copies of the training that i did with the s.r.o.s. >> you can pass that to -- >> after they continue the training -- >> just so you know, the item regarding the juvenile issue has been moved to january 8. and i have asked the chief to include you in conversation. i think you're too humble to

sort of say all -- to list all of your achievements, but you are one of the experts in this field. you were appointed to a federal board under the obama administration on juvenile justice. you've worked tirelessly in this area and have received national recognition. i think this is a great resource for the department chief to be utilizing, especially in helping train the officers so they are aware of the requirements under these new juvenile laws and provisions. and i really am going to encourage you to please have the department reach out to patty lee who has been, as i said, sort of ground breaking in this area and been doing it for a very long time, despite how young she is. >> thank you. >> i want to say for the record too that ms. lee and the public defender's office have been working closely with d.p.a. throughout the process and getting us to where we are today. so it hasn't been an isolated

work. we've been trying to work as collaboratively as possible to move the agenda forward as quickly as possible on this item. i wanted to make that clear. >> the actual district stations, the officers just want to know what's going on and to be trained properly so they can follow it. >> they continue to call us. >> because they are receptive. they want to know. and they are very intelligent, and they want to know what it is they are supposed to do. >> they appreciate the help we are providing. >> this is not on the agenda. we will be talking about it on the eighth. we could go on and on about this. i have two other commissioners who have questions. >> clarification. were you here for the thing we continued, the juvenile issue? for item 2 that we continued? or did you have something different today? i guess i'm confused. >> it was just disappointment

that it wasn't going forward for consideration by this body, because we need it immediate. every call that i take, i was on miranda call duty last week for a full week. the patrol officers will tell us i don't know the process, can you help me through this. so the need is immediate and urgent. >> the chief has heard you. so i'm sure he's not going to wait to start training. but we've heard you. sorry it got continued to january. we will be back on january. >> i appreciate that. >> this will be on the agenda for that meeting. next speaker. >> i wanted to ask a question. so what happened to item 2? i wasn't aware. so, again, i was late. why did we continue this?

>> madame president? >> i think you were here when we said but i will say it again. >> no, i was late but i appreciate it. >> this was continued at the request of the chief. and there was some apparent miscommunication and ms. marin was not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. and so the chief wanted to make sure there was enough time. and i do not want to belabor this. it will be on january 8. so with that, again, repeating why it was taken off, and we will talk about it all. >> i'm just seeing members from the juvenile justice community. ms. lee, casey lee and ms. chan. so it seems like when the public is turning out to have a discussion, we need to respect that. and i obviously read the d.p.a.

report on this issue. obviously there's some real problems with the bulletin as drafted. and so i just don't us to come back in january and have to plug this again because the work wasn't done. so i'll move on but with the admonition that i want this done on january 8, and i want the department to really consider -- i thought that the d.p.a.'s letter on this was very well-supported with receipts and authority. and let's have it done on january 8. i'm sorry to the people that turned out today. and i don't think that pulling things off last minute when people have come out of their busy schedules. i know they are all full-time employees that sat here and waited and now we are saying come back in january,

inconvenienced again, because we screwed up. so let me just apologize on behalf of the commission. i'll apologize on behalf of myself, not for everybody, but let me apologize for the inconvenience that the actions of the commission created. >> thank you. and the chief is also -- i want to say the chief asked we take this off the calendar. my understanding was ms. marion, d.p.a., they were not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. i didn't want to have a commission meeting -- >> can we hear? >> i didn't want to have a commission meeting where everyone who should be at the table wouldn't be at the table with the information they needed. so chief, if you can speak to that briefly, but we continued it for that reason. i appreciate everyone for showing up. but that's the rationale. >> thank you, commissioner. the letter that i received from -- well, the copy of the

letter i received from director henderson, i think it was monday night, had some points in it that were raised. we agreed with some of them. the bottom line on this is that the policy section that was cited in the letter, which was 3.01.10 requires process to happen. we didn't provide a copy of the d.g.o. to d.p.a. as the policy requires. but it also required the discussion on what items that were changed. so that process, that's what we are asking to occur. we are asking to follow the d.g.o. that this commission spent a whole lot of time working on. and we plan to have that done by january 8. >> thank you. commissioner dejesus. >> so that was my clarification. because paul says it's more complicated than that. >> it was.

we had challenges with the analysis as well, but yeah. a different approach interpreting the thing. and that gets us into the weeds. but that's why i responded with the letter that i did, outlining the issues and then we'll take it from there. >> the only issue that needs to be resolved? >> there were five issues that -- i think it was five. some clarity issues. what we would like to see happen is that we sit down with d.p.a. and work this out and bring a policy hopefully that we can all agree upon to the commission. that's what we would like to see happen. >> by january 8? >> what's the pinpoint person that's dealing with this? >> go on. >> the commander ross, the commander of investigations is the point on that. it will go through director mcguire's bureau. she has written directives under her umbrella. so written directives are

responsible for facilitating the draft but the subject matter experts are various other members of the department. the commander is going to be the point on this. >> does everyone think this can happen by january 8? >> yes. >> the last thing i would like to say is going forward when we have an item that's complicated and we have public that's here, we can at least discuss why it's being continued so not only can all the commissioners know why but the public can know what the snag was and why it's not going over. >> i want to say we have to stop finger pointing and move onto our agenda. i want to thank patty lee for being here. it's no surprise the police officers call her for advice. she did a great job when i was a young attorney. thank you for all your hard work. >> you were a great prosecutor. [laughter] we work well together. >> did you pay her to say that? [laughter]

>> thank you. >> you look much younger than me. >> she's on a roll with you today. [laughter] >> good evening, commissioners. i'm julie. i know all of you, and it's nice to see all of you and those of you who know me know i'm big on collaboration but we can't collaborate if we are not getting information. i want to remind you it's not just the public defender. we represent 40 percent of these kids. we have seen body camera footage where officers are confused saying, wait, what was the age, when are we supposed to do it? so clearly we need to do this. but make sure we get to the table too along with patty. and then the other thing i wanted to take a few minutes to talk about was the youth commission. and i really want to thank our commissioners who are part of this for being there, who came to the meeting and spoke. the more we can involve our

youth, i celebrate their voices and their role and their importance in this work. i will share with you one of the comments that the youth commissioner mentioned was the feedback they have received from the community. williams and davis and i went out to the community center a year and a half ago to talk to the youth. we asked them what do you want from this police department. and they said unequivocally, tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. so i agree with them the more we can do to create those conversations among our youth and among our officers, the better off we will all be. so thank you again, and i hope we see more of our youth. >> thank you. next speaker. >> i would like to speak again on the tragic shooting that happened on saturday. i would like to say that someone shouldn't have to die in order

to treat this with the seriousness that it deserves, even though in this case we were fortunate and the person looks like they're going to pull through, which is incredibly lucky, despite the best efforts of the san francisco police department. it's still a travesty that has occurred in this city again. and sfpd kept everyone in the dark for days after the shooting. people trying to find out what had happened, who it is it happened to, whether they made it. it took days for people to figure out on their own without any information from the san francisco police department. the police department kept this person isolated. they couldn't see their family, couldn't see legal counsel which as far as i know is no justification in the law. and i think that the fact that's not being treated with a sense of urgency, the fact that this

happened and is still happening, is, i think, reflects on the system that this city as a whole for supposedly police accountability and justice that it claims that it represents. >> hello. if someone even attacked me, i don't pull out my gun and chase them through the streets while civilians are around and then shoot them eight times. there's been a lot of talk in the in the city about deescalation. and unfortunately we don't see the cases where that's successful, right? we only see these kinds of says caseys. it's still incumbent upon sfpd to show an accurate depiction of events as soon as they know of it and not just from officers.

so what we were led to believe was that -- so in this press release it says the officers made contact with the person matching the description, how many times have we heard that in headlines? the suspect assaulted the officers with a weapon and officer-involved shooting occurred. that's the most passive language i've ever heard. it's a great way to deflect responsibility. and of course, still discovering the actual turn of events. but it took us five days. and a news report and honestly a lot of media attention, to really get to the bottom of this, which was that a police officer were chasing someone who probably had a bottle in their hand, throughout the streets of the mission. and having the mission with use of force, not a good look, sfpd. i would like to see the board bein