>> thank you. and the justice committee we had talked about police officers and community engagement hours. we were informed that not all patrol officers are required to go out into the community and necessarily spend time in it. is recommended, but not necessarily crucial. so we wanted to ask if there was some type of requirement for them to be out. maybe a couple of hours within a six-month capacity or something around that so they can understand what communities they are serving. there is also -- yeah. as long as police officers are going and the communities are being represented. it is important for them to understand the members of the community and understand their issues. if we're going to combat issues in regards of community -- communities of colour, trusting police officers is a two-way

street. we have also had conversations with acting chief williamson chief scott regarding having plainclothes officers to have a more vulnerable and honest dialogue. often times people may feel uncomfortable around seeing officers in full uniform, especially with the weapons that they may have. if there's any rumour flexibility around that, that would be greatly appreciated. trust is necessary when building relationships with these communities, and investment into the relationships because history with communities can be so complex. falling along with sfusd and the sfpd m.o.u., we hope to see these voted on by the board of education with the recommendations we have submitted. we played a vital role in outreaching and putting our recommendations on the chief ordinance and we hope the department can make sure to follow the right procedures to make sure my people -- young people know their rights and their rights to council.

in terms of what we can report back to what these commissioners have done since november, we have visited juvenile hall and met with the director from there and we had a conversation of what the day-to-day schedule me look like for youth in there. we have had conversations with chief scott and conversations with yolanda and kevin. what we are working on currently -- is that person here? sorry, kevin. and what we are applying to do in the next year, we are currently working on our budget priorities. we are ultimately hoping to do a resource fair or youth please -- youth police roundtable. >> thank you. wait, wait, wait. >> not that fast. [laughter]. >> you have great ideas. i wanted to ask you about one of them.

it was about plainclothes officers. are you asking for uniformed officers to spend some time in plainclothes? >> yeah, i was just reading off my phone. if they were to attend community events, for example, when the minister of justice attended a town hall, many of the officers were there and they were in full uniform with all of their weapons intact. and some of the individuals at the event and other commissioners had felt it was a bit uncomfortable, especially seeing it was -- if there is any way that a commissioner -- commissioner jones has said in adaptive uniform, away where they honor the rules that they have to be ready for anything that may happen, so an attacker, but also be aware that sometimes the uniforms that they may wear may scott justly or subconsciously trigger the environment and the culture that the room is an with certain members of certain communities. so if there is any wiggle room

around that that would be appreciated. >> thank you. >> i wanted to thank you, commissioner jones, because he came to our working group meeting this past monday and it was, number one, great to see him. i think commissioner taylor and i were very happy took us up on our offer to join or participate in the working group. not only was he there, but he provided some invaluable input and advice in terms of us -- and a working group, because we are at the part where we are trying to roll out the bias free policing strategic plan. so it was really refreshing to have his young, youthful point of view, and not only that, he is a san francisco resident. he was able to share with us some of the experiences he had growing up, as well as his family, which i think really helped put things in perspective when we are in those kinds of

groups. i wanted to tell him thank you. let him know i really appreciate it and i would welcome any other youth commissioners or youth to participate in this process because it is very important, and it does help us, especially when we are writing these policies and implementing these policies. >> of course. i will pass that along to him. thank you. >> thank you. chief, if you have any answers for the young commissioner tonight. >> yes. i met with the board of the youth commission on monday and the discussion was around when we meet some of the members of the commission, and probably others feel uncomfortable when we are in uniform. the ask was, is there any way we could meet in a plainclothes capacity. what i told them is there are occasions where that can be worked out. i think we had our roundtable and many of the officers were in

plainclothes. it can be worked out. but i also explained that when officers are on duty, they have to carry their equipment because they have to be ready to respond to whatever comes their way. they understood that part. it is just a matter of setting the parameters of the meetings where we can have officers like we did the last time come in plainclothes where it is appropriate. is something we will work on together and hopefully have another roundtable here to discuss in the future. >> i did want to touch on that point because it is a two-way street. the communities will try to do is much as they can't have a more positive and more sustainable relationship with law enforcement. i want to honor that. >> thank you. >> thank you for your presentation. >> of course,. >> one of the things i wanted to ask that you can do, and you might know about it because i thank you touched on the work you guys are doing around youth councils. i thank you have one in district 11. >> i thank you have one in

district 11. >> i was asking about the youth councils. when you come up to the next commission meeting, it is worth mentioning the progress that you guys are happening -- having, and if there any issues working with groups to help you guys formalize those councils. >> i believe district one has developed a youth council. i know district 11 has and i believe. commissioner jones that there is a d10 youth council in the works i am not part of that but i know that there has been evidence strides to make sure that the youth in the district 11 are represented because district 11 is representative of many marginalized communities, big families, immigrants, so there is a lot of political -- there is a big political culture there so to have that space -- i think with anybody, it is difficult to get the word out because of accessibility and who can hear

these things. we have a little bit of accessibility for some communities. i think the youth commission has done a lot to help aid them around anything that they need of getting outreach and connecting with each other. >> absolutely did. thank you for that. i think that is worth noting just to see how active our youth commissioners are. the fact they have taken the time to say that they know either youth cannot come down to city hall, so we need to create councils within the district to make sure their voices are being heard. i want to speak to the activity that you guys are doing. keep it up. >> thank you. >> i am glad to hear that you guys are going into the community, and especially d11 where there is a huge asian community and their is a big need for translators. do you have the capability to have translators follow different languages in that district?

>> in regards to what exactly? >> when we go to those ones, we have to get translators to come because there is a heavy asian, and documented population and asian population. they speak a variety of dialects i am wondering how the youth commission, when you go out to these communities, are you able to bring interpreters or do you see that as a problem? >> it is a concern. it does go back to the point of accessibility. many of the commissioners on these commissions are bilingual. we try to get as many people for any event. there is always a mix of languages. we tend to be very intersectional. we do come to issues, but it is one of those things we don't necessarily know because we know x amount of people are here, but who is missing from the table and that dialect? we do struggle with those things

and we are making strides in order to make it more diverse. it is important to be aware of diversity but making sure these communities and people and spaces are safe for them. if you just have eczema out of marginalized people in a space, it is not safe for them and you are not doing anything and you are only contributing to the problem. we have made a number of interviews and meats and one on ones to work around community-based organizations to get translators to get a workaround for and documented immigrants. that is a big population in d11. there is -- we want to go to these events, but we don't feel like we are seen. we are not historically allowed in these conversations in that language barrier. i want to say these things, but unfortunately i don't say it in a language that is socially accepted in america. how can i get my point across if they don't literally understand me?

>> i want to thank you. so often i worry on this commission that we are in a small little bowl and we are not necessarily -- there is a very small segment of the population that can be here at city hall on a wednesday night at 5:30 p.m. people have jobs, people have families. i wonder -- i worry it is not reflective of the entire population. so much of what we do as a commission affecting people in san francisco. i want to thank you for showing up here and showing up at the working group meeting we had. it is really important that we have the voices of young people. just a little unsolicited -- unsolicited praise. thank you very much for being here and giving your input and ideas. >> of course. thank you for saying that.

i also think there is merit in being able to say that. although there are 17 representatives, we are only 17 people and there are many districts. the issues are only intensified and we can only speak to my narrative in my story that. hopefully that is something that not only this board, but our board as well can tackle and be aware of diversity and having everyone at the table. because the concept of being a voices no longer a thing. sometimes people just need to be able to pass the microphone. >> thank you very much for that. you make us feel not good. [laughter] >> thank you, it's amazing. >> next line item. [please stand by]

>> sorry about that. >> that's okay. it's really just an announcement. i wanted to make sure i thank

commissioner karen from the southeast community facility commission. her organization has given help to underrepresented families. i think it's the fourth or fifth giveaway she's done, correct? >> tenth, i believe. >> the tenth giveaway. it was last friday. they do bike giveaways. i did want to make sure i acknowledged her and thanked her and her organization for their charitable donation to families in the community. >> commissioner hamasaki >> thank you. last week i attended a meeting at affirmative action for captain yick and one of the sergeants who i don't recall his name, as well as a number of members from the chinatown community to discuss the ongoing

real problems that asian-americans, the chinese community are having in this city, both in chinatown and other districts where there's heavy asian populations and the mayor's office as well. and really i think everybody is seeing the news reports and headlines so i don't need to repeat all of that. but people are really looking for new and innovative solutions to a problem that seems to have spiked up in a way that is causing a lot of real challenges within various communities. so it was good to be there and hear everybody's perspective and hopefully we can keep working to make advances so that there's no longer the fear or concern of chinese and asian-americans being targeted in our

communities. >> thank you. next line item. >> line item 1e, commissioner announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration. action. >> our next meeting is january 8, is that right? >> that's right. january 8, 2020 at city hall room 400. >> all right. next line item. >> the public is invited to comment online item 1a through 1e. >> good evening. my name is john jones. i would like to follow up on the chair's comment that public comment is going to be curtailed this evening because you are all so busy.

it has been my impression over the years i've attending these meetings that this commission is uniquely unresponsive to the public comment. i've rarely if ever seen a commissioner ask a question about someone commenting. if you care about what they say, you ask a question about it. the most important thing to this commission is the speakers add here to the two-minute limit because god forbid we don't want to waste your time. with respect to the two-minute limit, i think some people come up to this podium merit more than two minutes. i particularly remember the two chinese businessmen who came a couple months ago. and in my opinion, if i merit

two minutes, they merit at least five, because they had a story to tell. so a larger question on my mind is whether or not this commission individually or collectively has the accuminimum to ask a question of john q. citizen who stands up here and asks a question or makes a statement, whether or not you have the ability to discern what that person has to say. it's a question in my mind. i give up the balance of my time. >> thank you. next speaker. >> good evening. my name is adrian. i'm with justice. i'm here to address the shooting of a young man of color in the mission on saturday. and i would like to know if the commission would ask the chief, right now, to tell us what are

the names of the officers who shot this person, because that is not confidential. also i would like to know the name of the officer who was supposedly injured and under what circumstances was he injured, and if they will provide evidence of that moment to the public at the town hall meeting, because an article just published by mission local has indicated that there was a video that was viewed by mission local, though not published, because they didn't have permission, in which it is very clear that the person shot by these officers was being chased and in no way presented any threat, therefore this makes it an unnecessary shooting that violates also time and distance policies of this commission, which i really hope you will enforce with disciplinary

action. i would also hope that the chief informs us what is the records of these officers involved in the shooting, including what type of complaints they had had, disciplinary actions, internal affairs incidents. we also hope that you will give us more information about evidence that we hear is out there, which is drone videos that have been confiscated by sfpd, cell phone security camera, and whether there was any body camera videos. if the names of those officers could be please given to us, that would be great. thank you. >> can you repeat what the town hall is going to be, chief scott? >> yes, thank you. tuesday at 6:00 p.m., this coming tuesday at 6:00 p.m. at cesar chavez elementary school. >> thank you >> good evening. i went saturday to the corner and talked to the community.

it was upset, disturbed and yet not surprised, sadly, by the incident. we are very concerned why if there are no charges, has the family not been allowed to be with this man who is in critical condition. we know when people are in critical condition they need love, they need care, they need to know somebody is there. no charges and not being allowed to see their family. their family was at the press conference last night. why? this is cruel and unusual punishment. if any of you saw the video they published of this young man, he has had a difficult childhood with a lot of drug abuse around him. they showed video of him in a recovery program. it was amazing video saying how he's learned to try to participate in society. maybe he held back from it, we don't know. i'm not going to conclude anything. but i find this so disturbing. where was the time and distance?

how come the police are saying, and they are not saying what weapon, there's implications of a bottle that no one else in the public or witnesses have concluded or said that there was a weapon involved. so we are very upset. now, that building on the corner there is mainly filled housing for parole and probation. so those people are very afraid and could be intimidated very much by the police if they try to say what they saw. so no time or distance, no charges. family is not allowed there. names withheld of the police officers. this is not how procedure is meant to be. using time and distance, a negotiator, we are chasing this man down the street, obviously he's having some kind of incident. this is not compassionate. it's not fair. it's wrong. and i do hope and pray that he survives this. his body was also laying naked

on the dirt -- [off mic] >> thank you. next speaker. >> yes, i would like to make some comments about the shooting on saturday. specifically regarding some of the euphemisms that have been used in the discussion of it by this panel tonight. so i keep hearing the phrase officer-involved shooting, which to me is a bit strange because what we are really talking about here is an officer shooting a member of the public. it's not just simply involved. okay. let's be specific. let's not minutes words with that. >> what would be a better phrase? >> i would like to finish first if you don't mind. it would be simple to say that the officer shot the member of the public. i don't think we need to say officer-involved at all, really.

secondly, i've been hearing people say that the officer and the victim were both harmed, which to me also seems like euphemisms. let's be clear that the damages were completely disproportionate on the side of the victim here, as i understand it, the officer was discharged the same day with minor head injuries, while the victim is still in the hospital in the trauma unit, still in critical condition from being shot in the legs three times. thirdly, i would like to be clear that even though there are nonviolent means to disarm a person who is being violent toward the police officer without a firearm, without a knife, these were not used in this case apparently or if they were used, the man was still shot three times. so i think we have to be clear about these facts in the discussion. and i think the panel has so far evaded the seriousness of this

incident. >> thank you. chief, i'm going to ask you to explain. we often use the term officer involved shooting in this commission. if you can explain to the public what that means, what that covers. >> thank you, commissioner, vice president taylor. to the public an officer involved shooting is used to describe any incident in which an officer discharges a weapon at a member of the public, intentionally discharges a member at a member of the public. whether or not there's -- the person is shot or not. that's the definition of an officer-involved shooting. >> thank you. next speaker. >> i'm luke moody, formerly home lessen. i'm here to speak about the shooting of jamaica hanson near 23rd and cap.

the people want police to hold a town hall meeting without delay. i was here in this building a week ago speaking about the frequent flouting of senate bill 1421. this is a perfect opportunity for police to comply with that law and communities demand a release of all written and video records right away. a gun was discharged in confrontation with a citizen who was unarmed. only the police department say that the man was armed with a makeshift weapon. we want the body cam footage. all three cameras, security camera footage and the statement from the officers involved as is procedure. all items confiscated from bystanders should be documented as well. police have had ten days from december 17th to release the date and location of a town hall as is procedure. well, now we know the town hall

is scheduled for december 17th, tuesday, 6:00 p.m. at cesar chavez elementary school which is the maximum at the extent of ten days. let's work hard to follow the law and do our homework on time. >> thank you. >> good evening, commissioners. if i can hand a copy of my comments, if you would be willing to take that, please. i am patty, managing attorney of the san francisco public defenders office juvenile why do you want. i'm responding to the very eloquent comments of youth commissioner on the youth rights bill. that legislation was effective in april of this year. and i worked really hard on -- with the board of supervisors in

drafting the legislation and ensuring that it passed the board of supervisors. it was unanimous and the mayor immediately signed it into law. i will say that after my training with 11sros at mission station on august 21, many questions and concerns were raised by the officers. they were worried about violating the new state and local ordinance, resulting in d.b.a. complaints which could pose barriers to promotions and worst-case scenario, what happened in alameda county sheriff's department where there was video taping of conversations between an attorney and youth, providing miranda consultation. the sheriff is prosecuted and is facing four felony charges for eavesdropping on confidential communication. so the miranda bill was enacted

to ensure protections for the youth. and i remind you this ordinance was written as a result of the police interactions with students when a gun was discharged at the high school. and since april, we have provided 24/7 consultation for 152 youths. of those, 27 youths, 17 were 13-year-olds. six were 12-year-olds and three were 11 and yes, 1:10-year-old. so the reason for the legislation, we need to move forward on -- [off mic] i want to give you copies of the training that i did with the s.r.o.s. >> you can pass that to -- >> after they continue the training -- >> just so you know, the item

regarding the juvenile issue has been moved to january 8. and i have asked the chief to include you in conversation. i think you're too humble to sort of say all -- to list all of your achievements, but you are one of the experts in this field. you were appointed to a federal board under the obama administration on juvenile justice. you've worked tirelessly in this area and have received national recognition. i think this is a great resource for the department chief to be utilizing, especially in helping train the officers so they are aware of the requirements under these new juvenile laws and provisions. and i really am going to encourage you to please have the department reach out to patty lee who has been, as i said, sort of ground breaking in this area and been doing it for a very long time, despite how young she is. >> thank you. >> i want to say for the record too that ms. lee and the public

defender's office have been working closely with d.p.a. throughout the process and getting us to where we are today. so it hasn't been an isolated work. we've been trying to work as collaboratively as possible to move the agenda forward as quickly as possible on this item. i wanted to make that clear. >> the actual district stations, the officers just want to know what's going on and to be trained properly so they can follow it. >> they continue to call us. >> because they are receptive. they want to know. and they are very intelligent, and they want to know what it is they are supposed to do. >> they appreciate the help we are providing. >> this is not on the agenda. we will be talking about it on the eighth. we could go on and on about this. i have two other commissioners who have questions. >> clarification. were you here for the thing we

continued, the juvenile issue? for item 2 that we continued? or did you have something different today? i guess i'm confused. >> it was just disappointment that it wasn't going forward for consideration by this body, because we need it immediate. every call that i take, i was on miranda call duty last week for a full week. the patrol officers will tell us i don't know the process, can you help me through this. so the need is immediate and urgent. >> the chief has heard you. so i'm sure he's not going to wait to start training. but we've heard you. sorry it got continued to january. we will be back on january. >> i appreciate that. >> this will be on the agenda for that meeting. next speaker. >> i wanted to ask a question.

so what happened to item 2? i wasn't aware. so, again, i was late. why did we continue this? >> madame president? >> i think you were here when we said but i will say it again. >> no, i was late but i appreciate it. >> this was continued at the request of the chief. and there was some apparent miscommunication and ms. marin was not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. and so the chief wanted to make sure there was enough time. and i do not want to belabor this. it will be on january 8. so with that, again, repeating why it was taken off, and we will talk about it all. >> i'm just seeing members from the juvenile justice community.

ms. lee, casey lee and ms. chan. so it seems like when the public is turning out to have a discussion, we need to respect that. and i obviously read the d.p.a. report on this issue. obviously there's some real problems with the bulletin as drafted. and so i just don't us to come back in january and have to plug this again because the work wasn't done. so i'll move on but with the admonition that i want this done on january 8, and i want the department to really consider -- i thought that the d.p.a.'s letter on this was very well-supported with receipts and authority. and let's have it done on january 8. i'm sorry to the people that turned out today. and i don't think that pulling

things off last minute when people have come out of their busy schedules. i know they are all full-time employees that sat here and waited and now we are saying come back in january, inconvenienced again, because we screwed up. so let me just apologize on behalf of the commission. i'll apologize on behalf of myself, not for everybody, but let me apologize for the inconvenience that the actions of the commission created. >> thank you. and the chief is also -- i want to say the chief asked we take this off the calendar. my understanding was ms. marion, d.p.a., they were not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. i didn't want to have a commission meeting -- >> can we hear? >> i didn't want to have a commission meeting where everyone who should be at the table wouldn't be at the table with the information they needed. so chief, if you can speak to that briefly, but we continued

it for that reason. i appreciate everyone for showing up. but that's the rationale. >> thank you, commissioner. the letter that i received from -- well, the copy of the letter i received from director henderson, i think it was monday night, had some points in it that were raised. we agreed with some of them. the bottom line on this is that the policy section that was cited in the letter, which was 3.01.10 requires process to happen. we didn't provide a copy of the d.g.o. to d.p.a. as the policy requires. but it also required the discussion on what items that were changed. so that process, that's what we are asking to occur. we are asking to follow the d.g.o. that this commission spent a whole lot of time working on. and we plan to have that done by january 8.

>> thank you. commissioner dejesus. >> so that was my clarification. because paul says it's more complicated than that. >> it was. we had challenges with the analysis as well, but yeah. a different approach interpreting the thing. and that gets us into the weeds. but that's why i responded with the letter that i did, outlining the issues and then we'll take it from there. >> the only issue that needs to be resolved? >> there were five issues that -- i think it was five. some clarity issues. what we would like to see happen is that we sit down with d.p.a. and work this out and bring a policy hopefully that we can all agree upon to the commission. that's what we would like to see happen. >> by january 8? >> what's the pinpoint person that's dealing with this? >> go on. >> the commander ross, the

commander of investigations is the point on that. it will go through director mcguire's bureau. she has written directives under her umbrella. so written directives are responsible for facilitating the draft but the subject matter experts are various other members of the department. the commander is going to be the point on this. >> does everyone think this can happen by january 8? >> yes. >> the last thing i would like to say is going forward when we have an item that's complicated and we have public that's here, we can at least discuss why it's being continued so not only can all the commissioners know why but the public can know what the snag was and why it's not going over. >> i want to say we have to stop finger pointing and move onto our agenda. i want to thank patty lee for being here. it's no surprise the police officers call her for advice. she did a great job when i was a

young attorney. thank you for all your hard work. >> you were a great prosecutor. [laughter] we work well together. >> did you pay her to say that? [laughter] >> thank you. >> you look much younger than me. >> she's on a roll with you today. [laughter] >> good evening, commissioners. i'm julie. i know all of you, and it's nice to see all of you and those of you who know me know i'm big on collaboration but we can't collaborate if we are not getting information. i want to remind you it's not just the public defender. we represent 40 percent of these kids. we have seen body camera footage where officers are confused saying, wait, what was the age, when are we supposed to do it? so clearly we need to do this. but make sure we get to the table too along with patty. and then the other thing i wanted to take a few minutes to talk about was the youth

commission. and i really want to thank our commissioners who are part of this for being there, who came to the meeting and spoke. the more we can involve our youth, i celebrate their voices and their role and their importance in this work. i will share with you one of the comments that the youth commissioner mentioned was the feedback they have received from the community. williams and davis and i went out to the community center a year and a half ago to talk to the youth. we asked them what do you want from this police department. and they said unequivocally, tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. so i agree with them the more we can do to create those conversations among our youth and among our officers, the better off we will all be. so thank you again, and i hope we see more of our youth. >> thank you.

next speaker. >> i would like to speak again on the tragic shooting that happened on saturday. i would like to say that someone shouldn't have to die in order to treat this with the seriousness that it deserves, even though in this case we were fortunate and the person looks like they're going to pull through, which is incredibly lucky, despite the best efforts of the san francisco police department. it's still a travesty that has occurred in this city again. and sfpd kept everyone in the dark for days after the shooting. people trying to find out what had happened, who it is it happened to, whether they made it. it took days for people to figure out on their own without any information from the san francisco police department. the police department kept this person isolated. they couldn't see their family, couldn't see legal counsel which

as far as i know is no justification in the law. and i think that the fact that's not being treated with a sense of urgency, the fact that this happened and is still happening, is, i think, reflects on the system that this city as a whole for supposedly police accountability and justice that it claims that it represents. >> hello. if someone even attacked me, i don't pull out my gun and chase them through the streets while civilians are around and then shoot them eight times. there's been a lot of talk in the in the city about deescalation. and unfortunately we don't see the cases where that's successful, right? we only see these kinds of says caseys.

it's still incumbent upon sfpd to show an accurate depiction of events as soon as they know of it and not just from officers. so what we were led to believe was that -- so in this press release it says the officers made contact with the person matching the description, how many times have we heard that in headlines? the suspect assaulted the officers with a weapon and officer-involved shooting occurred. that's the most passive language i've ever heard. it's a great way to deflect responsibility. and of course, still discovering the actual turn of events. but it took us five days. and a news report and honestly a lot of media attention, to really get to the bottom of this, which was that a police officer were chasing someone who probably had a bottle in their hand, throughout the streets of

the mission. and having the mission with use of force, not a good look, sfpd. i would like to see the board being much more straightforward and not saying this was a specific turn of events. and obviously no one should be left, especially someone my age, who is 25, should left alone to wake up in the hospital without any family or legal representation. thanks. >> can i make an additional comment given that two minutes and above were given to an agenda item that was not even on the agenda? i would like to basically mention that the police also breeched the penal code in denying access to family to the victim while he was -- while they -- yesterday, according to

the criminal code, i understand that after -- even in custody, after 48 hours, that person must be given access to attorney and/or family. the family was there for six hours. and i believe those officers need to be disciplined who denied access to jamaica hanson. i'm making the d.p.a. aware of this complaint as well. thank you. >> thank you. any further public comment online -- on line item 1? >> good evening, everyone. i don't know what i'm going to say so i'm going to talk about my son now even though we are talking about homicide and all the killings that have been happening here and the ones that have been shot, especially the young man they are talking about

now, concerning officer-involved shooting. may i use the overhead? i brought this last week, talking about officers and violence. and i'm saying that because it doesn't matter who is doing it. and i want to tell those people that when they are talking about representation from family members, i wish that same things, the uproar that they are doing about officer-involved shooting that they would do about community violence. i bring this because my son was murdered august 14, 2006. and they have the names of all the persons that shot my -- that were there when they murdered my son. thomas hannibal, jason, anthony carter, marcus carter, one of them is deceased.

so i walk around with my pictures all the time to let you know that we talk about these people that are the mothers and fathers. my son had a father. a mother and a father at home i bring these pictures because i want people to see what i go through and know what i go through and that young man that was shot, that young man had been murdered that his family would be here also. the pain goes both ways, whether it's the police or an officer or a community person. again, this is what they left me with. the son laying on the gurney, lifeless. this is my therapy, y'all. so this is what i come and do. thank you. >> thank you, ms. brown.

i hate that we have to say this every week, but the anonymous tipline for anyone who has information about the death of your son is (415)575-4444. and i look forward to the day when we no longer have to give this number. >> thank you. >> it's definitely horrible that she has to go through that. i think one of the main situations is civilians and criminals or whatever, criminals are supposed to do criminal things. police officers are supposed to do good things. and, you know, shooting someone eight times seems more like overmalicious intent to do grave bodily harm and possibly murder.

i think i'm just very enraged at the way government treats its citizens. most of the people that, when we were protesting and rioting in city hall and in the streets, most of the people on this commission are gone. i just want to remind you that you, mr. william scott, you got your position because we protest and riots to get the person who was aloof to our lots in life, our blood ran in the street, and they were aloof. we protested and riots. they are gone. the police chief with the aryan nation haircut is gone, and you are here now. i want you to consider i have a

funny feeling we haven't all gone to oakland. we are still here. we are still willing to defend our lives and our community. so you are just -- stay off the shit list. we will be seeking justice. and i litigate against the city, i get stronger. >> next line item. >> line item 3, discussion and possible action to adopt a resolution urging the board of supervisors to authorize the chief of police to retroactively accept and expend a grant in the amount of $298,000 from the department of homeland security federal emergency management to

purchase an underwater remote operated vehicle, discussion and possible action >> good evening. my name is patrick. i'm the chief financial officer for the san francisco police department. tonight we are requesting the approval of the commission for a resolution for the 2019 port security grant program. the actual grant is for $298,414. there is a 25 percent local match in the amount of $99,471. the grant funds will be used to purchase a video remote operated vehicle that would give our marine unit the ability to search and mitigate potential underwater threats and to help secure our port security and infrastructure. our marine unit is the primary agency responsible for securing our port infrastructure and for

patrolling our waters. there are no similar capable remote operated vehicles within the san francisco bay area region. for this equipment would be stored and headquartered at our san francisco marine unit headquarters, but it would also be made available to our other law enforcement partners within the san francisco bay area as a mutualial aida set if the need arises. mutual aid asset if the need arises. i would be happy to answer questions. >> commissioner dejesus. >> you have to forgive my ignorance. i don't know what you are buying. [laughter] i think it's a submarine but -- >> we do have staff on hand that can provide information. >> yes, it's a little submarine. [laughter] i'm a supervisor down

at the marine unit. i'm also the dive team supervisor. [please stand by] i have the current r.o.v. i can kind of explain what it

is. it has video capability. more importantly it has sonar visibility. there is zero visibility in the bay. i dive in the bay. unless i'm within six-inches of something, i cannot tell what my surroundings are. with the r.o.v. you have sonar capabilities which emits a signal and we are getting sound waves back and we are able to project an image and able to locate items as in the plane crash. and it helps us to -- a future line item is going to be the dive team general order. it helps us to keep divers out of the water. inherently diving is one of the most dangerous activities you could possibly do. it doesn't matter if it's a real life operation or a training operation. there's a thousand ways that a person could have a complication underwater which could cause serious injury or death.

having the ability with an r. r.o.v., it would give us the capabilities to work in the san francisco bay with current. right now the smaller version, the older version is a very proficient tool. and like a lake or a pond or something like that, but in the bay, as we know, there is a tidal change four times a day. so that limits our operational capabilities to about maybe 15 minutes at a time when the tides are slack. it's a great tool. if there are any questions, i can answer them. >> i have one more. this is more curiosity. i was looking at the price. are we purchasing new equipment or is this military equipment? >> it's not military equipment. it is new equipment. it does give us the ability for example, beside recovery-type of applications, when we have fleet week we will routinely do sonar

scans on piers. if there's a suspicious anomaly underwater, we have the ability to send the r.o.v. down to take a look. if it rises to the level of higher suspicion, then we would contact the e.o.d. dive team to go hands on with it. if we don't have to put a diver in that dangerous type of a situation, it's no different than a canine or perhaps how the bomb squad has robots they will send into environments like that. >> great, thank you. >> thank you very much for your presentation. i too thought this was a submarine. just so you know, commissioner dejesus has always asked to go on the marine unit and go on the boats. she's been asking for 12 years. >> we can arrange it. >> see, making a mischristmas wish happen over here. >> i forgot about the boat.

right. >> is it just a camera basically? >> basically yes. it has a remote control. i'll just show you. there's a camera attachment to it, so like i said, with zero visibility, the human eye can maybe see at best six to 12 inches. this would give us the ability to see three feet. but three feet, it doesn't really do us any good. the sonar is the bread and butter of the equipment. >> oh, there it is. like a little robot. that's $300,000? >> there's attachments that go on. there's an articulating hand that can grab onto things. so in a plane crash, we could grab on to a part of the fuselage once we located the fuselage. prior to that, we were locating the field ladder and we were able to grab onto that and

recover that. there's a serial number so we could confirm that was the plane that crashed in the midair collision. so it is basically an underwater robot. >> i thought it was something you could go on. that much money. >> it can do multiple things. so this older generation, the technology doesn't give us the ability to remotely hold station. the new one has -- this has three thrusters. an up and down thruster. the new one has seven thrusters. that gives us the ability to work up to two and a half knot currents. so we can possibly work for a couple hours. so it's a huge, huge advantage, and it's an invaluable asset for the department and the city and the region. >> any other questions? >> i just wanted to see it, really. it's pretty cool. >> do i have a motion? >> second.

>> all in favor. >> aye >> public comment? >> oh, sorry. before we move -- >> public comment on on line item 3? >> with the department of defense so i'm interested in this vehicle. my question, i think it would be good to put to the commissioners is how long you envision this particular vehicle being usable and so like its life span and whether it's upgradeable. is it something that's going to have to be replaced or something you can replace in pieces? >> that's a great question. the particular model we are operating with has had at least three or four upgrades in sonar technology. you are able to upgrade it. so the useful life span on this is going to be well over ten

years, if not longer. i mean, the biggest advantage from this particular -- the newer model is the ability to work in current. and as you know, the bay, with the current, if you've ever been in a river, that's what the bay is like four times a day when the current is coming in and going out. >> all right. thank you very much. so no other public comment? let's vote. all in favor. >> aye. >> passes. that was unanimous. >> all opposed? the motion passes. >> next line item >> line item 4, discussion and possible action to approve revised department general order 6.03, underwater diving operations, for purposes of engaging in the meet and confer process with the police officers association, discussion and possible action. >> good evening, commissioners.