happen. raise your hands hss employees. former hss employees if you can raise your hands, too, you helped with this as well. i himself want to thank the city staff here today, especially from the department of public health who work with expectant motherrers and are great advocates for that population and this project. i want to thank you for being here today. there will be tours today and i hope you get a chance to visit this beautiful site. thank you all for being here.

>> president bleiman: hello and welcome to the march 3, 2020 meeting of the san francisco entertainment commission. my name is ben bleiman, and i am the president of the commission. if you want to speak on public comment, you need to fill out a speaker card or you can just come to the podium when it's public comment. i want to thank sfgovtv and media services for sharing this media with the public, and we'll start with roll call. [roll call] >> president bleiman: all right. thank you. the first order of business is general public comment.

this is comment on any item that is not on our regular agenda tonight. seeing none, general public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> president bleiman: next agenda item is number two, which is approval of our minutes for the february 18, 2020 meeting, and i'll ask if we have a motion for the approval of the minutes from the february 8, 2020 meeting. >> i move to approve. >> second. >> president bleiman: is there any public comment on our minutes? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel] [roll call] >> president bleiman: all right. the minutes have been approved. next item on the agenda is a report from our director, commissioner weiland? >> director weiland: thank you, president bleiman.

from friday to monday and this past weekend, the two of us with ben van houghton, we attended the presidential cities annual social city conference. we were with folks that do similar work as us from across the united states as well as folks from amsterdam and cancun from outside the united states. president bleiman and i spoke on a presentation sunday, and we were -- on a panel sunday, and we were on the panel with two people from new york and two people from washington, d.c. a lot of what we did was

educate people on having an entertainment commission or an entertainment office of some kind to promote the economy but also regulate it. we pride ourselves on being one-of-a-kind in san francisco, and so many people were coming up to us maybe a little bit envious, but also a little bit curious figuring out how they sort out their cities in regards to night life. did you have anything you want to add? >> president bleiman: yeah. i think it's shocking when you realize we've had this entertainment commission going on for 17 years now, and the city of new york, they have one director with a couple people, and they're going on one year, and in d.c., it's even less than that.

>> new york is two years, and d.c. is one year. >> president bleiman: and we have an insurmountable comparison to theirs. it's amazing to see. >> director weiland: and although we're a baby department compared to other offices in san francisco, we're far ahead of where we're at, so we should be proud of that just because we -- we've had so much time to evolve. and so much of the thanks goes to the folks who built out our groundwork and our founding commission and our founding director, and jocelyn cain, who came after him. so we need to just keep evolving our work into the future. so do you have any questions on that? okay. >> president bleiman: yeah, i did say that our one job on

that panel was to make all the other cities jealous, and i think we fully accomplished that. check a box there. is there any public comment on the director's report? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> president bleiman: the next agenda item is -- sorry. number 4, which is the report from our deputy director azevedo. >> thank you, commissioners. i've highlighted the independent band practice going on. we received 26 complaints since our last hearing. eight of them were from -- for the independent or businesses in that area? our investigators west we-- we

to the area, and they were in compliance during both visits. there was a complaint that the back door was open. when inspector fiorentino went, the door was closed, and there was another complaint with invasive base, and inspector fiorentino went, and they were in compliance. >> i do want to be responsive to the neighbors and the landlord who is reaching out to me on a regular basis on what

we can do. >> thank you for that important addition. >> aside from that, there were 46 venue inspections that happened over the weekend -- or rather since last weekend, and the majority of our venues were in compliance? so to director weiland's point or i'm happy to answer any questions. >> good evening. l let's start with the independent. our executive director used the word neighbors. is it singular or plural. >> so it's anonymous, and it's two neighbors who live in the same unit. >> president bleiman: so the volume of calls that we're getting, is it primarily these two people. are we able to ascertain that? >> for the most part. we also believe that based on

the language that's used, it's the same complainant even when it's reported anonymous. we've got used to seeing the complaints coming in so frequently, we've gotten used to the language that's used, and it's similar to the language that's used when they are not anonymous. >> president bleiman: okay. >> director weiland: there isn't any way of knowing because they're either identifying these specific neighbors who are represented by the landlord as i just mentioned or they're representing themselves as anonymous. >> president bleiman: the 311 trac -- >> commissioner falzone: the 311 distinguishes between 311 and on-line, correct? >> yes, and these calls are being made through the app. >> commissioner falzone: okay. i got it. so my sense is -- i'm just trying to get an understanding of, is there some kind of person vendetta -- is this a

community problem or is this an individual problem with one club? i know there's some conjecture in this, but we don't know? >> it's -- we do not know. >> commissioner falzone: so what's our next step then? >> that's a great question. i think that's what director -- >> well, yeah, i've got to be responsive at this point? and i've been responsive along the way, but i've got to -- i guess i would just like to know from the commission if you have any feedback on this or -- >> commissioner falzone: i have some more questions for this. have we pulled the actual police calls for service for the address? >> no. >> there's no need to. >> commissioner falzone: i'm just trying to see what it is, and if there's a lot of police calls for service. that may help substantiate this. on the other hand, if there aren't any, that starts to lend itself to a different scenario. >> that sounds good. i can certainly reach out to

northern station for that. >> commissioner falzone: we take the police calls, and we can get pretty granular there, and if we can match it up to the 311, it might be helpful. i'll defer to our director. >> was the star able to contact the residence -- staff able to contact the residents? >> yes, we were contacting them regularly. >> and they were complaining or not complaining? >> when they identify themselves, the inspector has contacted themselves and stated i've just responded to your complaint. the venue is in compliance. >> president bleiman: so i'm just curious. do we know how long these neighbors have lived in this unit? >> from my understanding, i believe it's been about a year? >> president bleiman: okay. and how long has there been a music venue at this location. >> commissioner falzone: at least over 20 years. >> i believe it's 30-plus in different iterations. >> president bleiman: and prior to these neighbors moving in,

were we getting a lot of complaints about this venue? >> no. >> director weiland: no. >> president bleiman: and just so i'm clear, at least two of the calls about a back door and another call seemed to involve an inaccurate description of the venue in that the back door was closed on one of the nig s nights. >> and i may note in one of our inspections, they noted that the door was open, and two other inspections, it was auto body shop was having practice really loud. even i, on one of the occasions, when a complaint was coming in, went out on divisadero and heard the live band practice. >> president bleiman: and that would be a p.d. matter. that would not be our

jurisdiction. >> right. >> president bleiman: and i'm just curious. how many times have we visited independent in your best estimate since it starts happening. >> so i've quantified it since september, and we've visited 15 times, and we've found them in compliance 14 of the times. one time, the rear door was open. >> president bleiman: and that's the first time, if my memory serves me. so the next 14 times, the venue has been in compliance. >> and we've also been checking emporium because they're side by side, and emporium has also been in compliance. >> president bleiman: and each visit is taking time? >> especially, if it's taking

time to go to two venues. >> it depends on what their starting point is, but sure. >> president bleiman: i have real concerns about the use of our resources. the poor venue is not acting outside of its purview at all, and in the meantime, we need to address other concerns at other venues. if the venue's complaint and the neighbor's still having an issue, one thing that comes to my mind is maybe the building requires some extra sound proofing or mitigation. >> where the resident lives? >> president bleiman: where the resident lives, because if the venue is doing something within the code, maybe there's some other issue going on. i don't know if -- is there any precedent for us having a landlord come before us and speaking with them? >> i mean, they're a member of

the public. that's one thing they can certainly do, they can come and certainly address you themselves. >> president bleiman: i think we should offer that, at least. every case that i've seen up here, you know, every single time that i've -- since i've been here when there's a repeated complainant, we are finding violations or out of compliance with a venue, so this seems to me to be very one sided in what's going on. but i'd welcome any thoughts that the rest of the commission has. >> so they get the complaint 311. does it get there within 30 minutes or is it, like, an hour or two hours later? >> so that can vary, and you're looking at a 2.5-week report since that's passed, and some of them are within a 30-minute period, and there's some of them where more than an hour has passed just because there's been another complaint elsewhere, but i think in

general, it's within an hour. >> if they're complaining at 11:42, there's not a reason they should be complaining if they're closed. is there a time stamp? >> so there is, on this report in front of you -- >> so is this when they show up or is that the complaint? >> so the first three -- let me tell you how many pages. the first six pages are the complaints, and then, starting on page 7 are the inspections, and so they coordinate. so they time -- and you can see they correspond to one another, so if we were to look at the first one, saturday, the 15 -- february 15, the complaint came in at 11:52 saturday, the 15, and they were there by 11:57.

>> president bleiman: so -- >> commissioner falzone: have we visited the complainant's address? >> yes. >> commissioner falzone: and does it have anything, additional sound proofing, windows, drapes, anything? >> no. >> commissioner falzone: so i can share my thoughts. if we've been there 15 times, and 14, they had no merit. looking at it from the police department's perspective. at this point, we would stop responding because we have a limited use of our resources. if it's 15 visits, and 14 times they're in complains, i would be incline -- compliance, i would be inclined to have our

investigators stop visiting for a while. i can tell you that some people will just keep blowing up 911, and at some point, the police department determines this is not a good use of our resources. we've responded 15 times. 15 calls, and 14 were no merit. i'm seeing an incredibly strong pattern. i can tell you from the work i used to do, the one thing that bugged me the most is when people would try to exploit city resources for their own vendettas. i can tell you one from my experience. people like massage parlors, but the minute they get 86'ed from a massage parlor, they start blowing up the phones.

was there a person who was satisfied until they could no longer participate and then just started blowing up the phone. i'm just looking at the data, 15 visits and 14 no merit, i'm inclined that our investigators take a reprieve from responding. i don't think it's a good use of our resources. >> well, in the -- back in the day when we were on the street, the a.b.c. would come so many times. we don't come anything, the number is closed. >> commissioner falzone: yes, but the number is three. we go three times, not 15. >> because there are some people that just -- >> i wanted to get a little feedback because especially in cases where we were receiving multiple complaints, and we go out and we visit, and there's noncompliance, and they don't progressively get better, that's when i say, can we bring

this business in? can we bring the neighbors in? i just wanted to bring it to you. >> if they're not complying, but you've gone there three times, four times, they're in complains. you just close the -- compliance. you just close the file. >> commissioner falzone: we can literally use that phrase that we close out the case. because if we can't substantiate it. my feeling is if the investigator felt something, they would be saying that. we picked up on the vibe of the place and the complainants and their willingness to participate and what the under lying issues were, but i really feel like we're chasing something that may not exist,

unfortunately. >> so i do have a question. outside of these -- outside of this current report, have -- has -- have -- has these callers actually registered complaints in the past? >> in the past? outside of it? >> yes. >> yes. >> and in terms of your dialogue with the neighbors, are they aware that they moved into a district that provides night life and entertainment? >> yes. he wants to get a better sense of the unit there might be and what kind of sound he was picking up from the venue walls when they were operating. >> in terms of the times that

they complain and call, it ranges from saturday to sunday anywhere from 6:00 p.m. to 12? and that they're very different he from from a lot of the calls that come in generally, which is -- i'll be generous, 11:00 until 3:00 a.m., so i'm just concerned that the time frames where somebody would decide to register a complaint. and the fact that the sound is traced to two, potentially three different venues, and one be being a permitted venue, but a garage, that there's band practice happening, happen. i -- i actually am very aligned with my fellow commissioners and the majority of their comments. >> okay. thanks. >> president bleiman: all right. no further thoughts on that. i don't have anymore thoughts on the -- on the report unless anybody wants to bring up any

other -- wanted to bring up any other similar things. i'm so glad that we have salt and straw. >> we've determined there's no live entertainment at salt and straw. >> president bleiman: all right. is there any public comment on the deputy director's report? seeing none -- oh, there is. it is open. step to the microphone. please state your name, and you have two minutes, please. >> hello. my name is umbra, and this report -- it was caused in

muscle stress -- it was only, what you call it, recycle, reduce, and it had went to a -- to a different area. and the area that it went to, i had no idea. the counselors and the missionaries seeing over at -- [inaudible] >> -- needed to be more responded to it was in the hallway, and i knew that i needed to explain this to the health department because there

is a certain thing that he had to do to stop a lot of these infections that's going in the water, and which it's already been in washington, d.c. i used to call the state up and all these departments to, you know, put more -- you know, substantials on a lot of these informations to, you know, explain to them a more, you know, brief it and the police and deputies. and this was closed because of one reason, i had the evidence that needed to get -- and all

of a sudden, because of the evidence that i had, it was due to what i had said in -- [inaudible] >> -- was that deputies on this -- >> president bleiman: all right. thank you. thank you very much. is there anymore public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> president bleiman: our next agenda item is number 5, which is hearing and possible application regarding applications -- possible permits regarding applications for the agenda. >> thank you, president bleiman. the first matter is at nightingale, located at 239 fillmore street. one of their businesses is located across the street.

the applicants are applying for a p.o.e. permit to host live d.j.s and entertainment in the premises. they reached out to supervisor peskin's out, four community groups, and reaching out from the venue. here to tell you more is brian sheehy. >> can you, commissioners, and as always, thank you for your guidance, and to the director, thank you for your guidance on this process. we're very fortunate that there are no residential neighbors on this side of the street. we are a six-day-a-week business, closed on sundays. we just opened in december in this location which, for the previous two years, was a bar, and for eight years prior to that, it was a restaurant

called gaetan. since we opened in december, business has been pretty good. we're a happy hour bar, but by 9:00 at night, people are pretty much moving on their way home. that is basically the reason for our application for a permit. we'd like to offer different types of jazz on weekdays and late night. we do a lot of corporate business in this location, as well, and a lot of our venue events need to have the opportunity for live entertainment. officer matthias came to visit and tour the space two days ago, and he was happy with what he saw at the location. be happy to answer any questions you have about the location. we also have our general manager, daniel shield. if you have any questions for him, and my business partner, doug dalton.

. >> the location is kind of across the street from your other location. >> yes. this is the end of it. >> we've got little storefronts a little further up. perfect for you. >> i don't have any further questions. i've already seen it. >> hello. thanks for coming in. i have a question about your neighborhood outreach? i think you commented that there was no neighborhood in the facility, but you had a neighborhood outreach. how did that go? >> we had to incentivize people to come out. we had 12 of our guests at the neighborhood home that had been neighbors at our wreckhouse

bar, so 12 of them joined us for beverages at our bar. that was the attendance. >> and would you let us know your process, if there are complaints from any people in the neighborhood, how would you address those complaints? >> sure. so we have our good neighbor policy listed at our business. our general manager and owner telephone numbers are listed along with the good neighbor policy. my cell phone number as well as doug's is available to the commission 24 hours, as well as officer matthias. first, they would call the bar, and the bar manager would take care of it. and the bar manager would offer minor doug's number if they are not happy with the response, and we would work with them to resolve it. >> thank you very much. >> yeah.

>> how many businesses do you have? >> i can tell you how many locations we have. >> yes. we have seven. >> how many l.l.p.s? >> we have seven. >> okay. thank you. is there any public comment on this agenda item? two minutes per item here. >> so my name is umbra, and on the kearney street, that i -- last night, the application, i don't know if this is going on tonight or not. we're needing, you know, some kind of reasons on the list, you know, to, you know, make a

better company in our rediscovery and, you know, try to improve our state, you know, in this difference. and i would appreciate for any comments on that. thank you. >> president bleiman: thank you very much. seeing no more public comment, public comment is closed. we can deliberate. >> i would like to make a motion to approve this permit with our good neighbor policy. >> i'll second it. [roll call] >> president bleiman: congratulations. you've been approved. please follow up with our deputy director at your

earliest convenience. all right. your turn. >> thank you. okay. the next permit on the regular agenda is for a place of entertainment minor amendment to the parkside's existing p.o.e. permit. the parkside has held a p.o.e. since 2010. the original permit is not include the use of their outdoor speakers. they are here tonight to come into compliance and are requesting to use their outdoor speakers on their patio until 10:00 p.m. as such, senior inspector roberts took a sound measurement and is recommending we set their sound measurement at 75 d.b.a. over 85 d.b.c. southern station recommends adding the three listed

conditions below, and additionally, we wanted to cleanup their existing p.o.e. conditions as their current conditions are all covered by the regular conditions and good neighbor policy. to view their existing permit, please turn to the last page of the section. it's on pages 2 and 3? and here to address the commission is owner malia spanyol. >> hi. how's it going? malia spanyol. i've had the parkside since 2007, and we've always had those outdoor speakers there. they're just for entertainment. we keep it quiet. it's just nice, subtle

ambiance. they get turned off at a nice early hour, and the patio dies down just about every day. any questions? >> so the outdoor speakers are just, like, serial muzak? >> yeah. they're about this big. >> you're not piping any d.j.s or bands? >> no. >> just ambient stuff. >> yes. >> hi. thanks for coming in. on your application, i don't see anything about outreach, but you do have signatures. you're across from a park, right? >> right. >> there are not any residents in that neighborhood. so no other questions, just want to check about the neighbors. thanks for coming in. thank you. >> president bleiman: i don't have any questions, you can

have a seat. is there any public comment on this agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. and deliberate. >> i just have a question. regarding southern station's condition number one, i don't know how you enforce that? >> i don't, either. that's their cleaned up section. >> i know malia worked with officer lawrence about this? and so they came to an understanding about that although it wasn't further defined within this condition, but she agreed with it after a conversation. >> no. i totally understand that, but the spirit of a condition is that it's enforceable, and i totally get the well intended efforts, but i'm not sure we're being fair to the department let alone the applicant with a

condition like this because it sets a condition to the public that we can do something like this. the word efficient is too ambiguous. i'm just saying i don't know how we would enforce it. >> can you just remind me -- is this redundant? >> we have a standard fire occupancy. >> one per every 100 patrons. >> we may not need this. >> well, deputy director azevedo, what was the agreement with malia? >> i think malia would best be able to answer this. >> president bleiman: talk into the microphone. >> i can look at the e-mail, but i think i have the same question, what's what? i think we can just common sensing. if we're having an author come in and do a book reading, our standards are going to be a

little bit different than if we're having, you know, a busy show. and so it -- >> no, i understand that. >> and it's a matter of -- i guess, i asked to clarify that, and i got sort of a rational answer, and i would hope that, you know, that who was that was working with me, that we would both be, you know, verify understanding about this, and proactive. >> president bleiman: yeah, no, that's okay. it's already in our code that you need to have certain security based on your size. so i think what commissioner falzon was asking, what would you think, based on your size. >> commissioner falzone: i think it means working

collaboratively with the police department when an issue comes up. the only thing i'm thinking is this is unenforceable, so it sets up an expectation that is in the long-term problematic with our commission. >> whatever is agreed, i understand completely. i'm just trying to work with whoever i need to work with. >> commissioner lee: can i ask a question, how are these speakers powered? >> they are powered with one single amp and a tiny mixer. >> commissioner lee: so the amp has 100 watts? >> if that. >> commissioner lee: so you're not going to be using it with a d.j. >> it would blow the speakers. >> i mean, it's just a patio. to have a security guard when they're turning on the speakers. >> this is because we're also cleaning up all of the conditions that was previously on the place of entertainment

permit? because a lot of them were outdated and a lot of them were already unenforceable? >> commissioner lee: why can't we recommend, like, the one security for -- >> commissioner falzone: we already have that. >> commissioner lee: but it's only when she has events -- real events. >> president bleiman: all that's implicit in our code. it's not even implicit, it's explicit in the code -- >> statute. >> president bleiman: statute. i'm in the same mind of commissioner falzon that this may not be enforcement and a recipe of disaster. >> and they did reach out to southern station with their calendar regarding their events, so that could potentially be the bridge. >> commissioner falzone: right, and i'm not suggesting that be removed. this is no suggestion of the department or the applicant or

one individual. but i think it's the commission's role to make sure that our staff is capable of enforcing these, and i did look at these 16 original conditions which are suitable for framing, they're so flawed. so we're certainly heading in a great direction, but i'm prepared to make a motion if people want to entertain it. >> president bleiman: you can have a seat again. you can make the motion. >> commissioner falzone: so i'd like to make the motion that we approve it with the conditions provided by the staff minus condition one of southern station. i would like to strike southern station's number one, but go with the other two conditions, that the permit holder be responsible for outside promoters, and that southern station's provided a list of events in advance. >> i second. [roll call]

>> president bleiman: congratulations. been approved. please follow up with our deputy director at your earliest -- >> great. so the next item on your agenda is amendment for the permit for the midway. this is 900 marin street. this is just something that for 9:00 p.m. they've already gone through all of the approvals, and it's been on their application. it just wasn't actually agendaized, so this is a formality. as you know, they've been hosting outdoor venues prior to now? there was no opposition to the permit, and bayview station approved the permit with no added conditions, so pete and andrea are going to address you.

>> hi. >> president bleiman: hi. >> yeah. so we are looking to bring everything up to code and be in compliance with what's going on and extend the after-hours permit to the outdoor patio area. so that would continue till 10:00, and then, anything special one-off events, it would go later, we'd continue to go through that process. any questions? >> commissioner lee: none. thank you -- >> commissioner falzone: oh, actually, i apologize. i do have one quick question. just to clarify, do you have any residents? >> residents in the area? no. >> commissioner falzone: thank you. >> president bleiman: all right. is there any public comment on this agenda item? seeing none, public comment is closed. thoughts? motions? >> i move to approve -- sorry. >> commissioner lee: i second. >> with staff recommendations. >> commissioner lee: i second.

[roll call] >> president bleiman: all right. it's been approved. thank you very much for coming in. please follow up with our deputy director at your earliest convenience. >> okay. the final permit on the regular agenda is a place of entertainment minor amendment at 26 mix located at 3424 mission street to revise their existing security plan. the current owner of 26 mix has held a p.o.e. license since 2011, but they're here to -- okay. you threw me off there -- at the request of director weiland because we've seen an uptick of incidents occurring inside and outside of the address.

i've included a list of the occurrences for your review. we also wanted to modernize their existing permit conditions as many are now covered by statute, the good neighbor policy, or the revised security plan. the revised security plan was reviewed by s.e. plan and sfpd mission. please note the applicant is also requesting to extend their hours until 2:00 a.m. daily as their current permit conditions allow them to end at 1:00 a.m. daily. the easiest amendment is just to strike all the amendments on their permit and adopt the ones listed below. in the back of your packet is their existing p.o.e. permit to take a look at what their current permit conditions read? and here to tell you more is

mark bernie. >> mr. president, commissioners, staff, glad to be back. i'm here today with william tony mayorago who's the general manager of the past few years of 26 mix. we don't know how long this bar goes back, but it goes back at least 20 years, and the president owner has had it 11 years. i half kiddingly call it the last real mission bar in the mission. it's very interesting. it's primarily a latino crowd, and it's really -- it's a fun place. it's fairly large, about 3,000 square feet. it's located on the corner of 26 and mission, and there were some issues. we're trying to clean them up. i think they've done a good job in the last month or so. i have some feelers out for a good security team, and i know

one that's interested and is going to come and look at the place. i've reviewed the -- we've reviewed the 14 conditions that were outlined by staff, and we have no problem with any of them. we did -- we did some outreach, even though we've been there forever. i think it's a good idea to, hey, go meet all your neighbors, go meet all the people who own stores in the neighborhood. we did talk to james who owns a wig store nearby, the stop and store market, dylan, g.m. of the fedex office across the street. knocked on some doors. there were six residents that we talked to. they were very reticent to give out their phone numbers, but we gave them our phone numbers, let them know hey, we want to be a good neighbor. tony is here to answer any questions that you might have. but we went -- the security

plan is fairly robust. i got it back from kaitlyn, and it was all marked up. it was about a two-hour fix, but that's all right. i'm glad to see that kaitlyn really does hawkeye these things and doesn't miss a trick. we want to be a good neighbor out there. we want to preserve what's the last bar of its type in the outer mission, and we would request a grant tonight. [inaudible] >> i didn't? i did, too. [inaudible] >> so the manager has been there ever since for the last ten years? >> that is correct. >> and so you're changing your security plan, which is great. but at the same time, you know,

security plans are only good if you follow the security plans, so what i'm wondering is, what's the difference between this new updated security plan to what you were doing when there's almost, like, two or three, even four complaints a month? i mean, what were you doing then or what you were not doing then to where it's happening now or what you think is going to happen and we went get these complaints on you are on records anymore. >> right. well, our main concern is keep a good relationship with our neighbors. unfortunately, there were some incidents. there was some shortage of personnel management, and we've addressed that. we've hired an extra manager to address any issues in real-time with the neighbors. we have given our phone numbers to our neighbors so they can reach us at any time so we can

respond in real-time and address any issues that we have. a lot of the complaints i think have been more of the patrons have been too loud outside rather than the music. i think for the last month or so or more, we have been really working on trying to get everybody out as fast as we can as soon as possible, even though we have rig, right in f of our door, a bus stop. we usually try to do it by 1:50, i would say -- by 1:50, the street is clear. >> commissioner lee: so this is a security team that used to work for you, or were you instructing your team to get the people out.

are you on the premise pretty much every day? >> yes. >> commissioner lee: so who's in charge of enforcing these people, you know, to get them on their way or maybe not even let certain people come in, you know, that don't have an i.d. maybe or something like that? is that you specifically or is that a head of security that you have on staff? >> i'm the person right now that is taking over that. we let the security handle that in the past, but now, i'm doing it. i direct security to go outside and push people out, tell them, hey, do us a favor and leave. >> commissioner lee: before that, you'd let the security guards handle it. >> that's correct. i figured they'd do a better job than i do. >> commissioner lee: and are they still with you? >> we're in the process of changing them. we gave them a 90-day notice to

improve or quit, but in the meantime, i've been working with mark to consult with some new security companies, and if we find someone that can -- we can come to some kind of arrangements, we're -- definitely, we're changing because just we want to start over and be able to run our business in a good neighborhood manner with our neighbors. >> commissioner lee: and what's the capacity of your -- >> it's 198. we get to about 120 on a busy day or on a weekend. >> commissioner lee: do you impose any dress code? sk >> we don't allow, like, gang type of colors and stuff like that, but otherwise, we're kind of flexible. >> commissioner lee: i see. i guess in this new security plan, i didn't read it, all of it, but there's no dress code. it's just basically, it's up to

you guys. >> right. >> commissioner lee: okay. all right. all right. that's all. thank you. >> hello. thanks for coming in. are you familiar with this report that we're looking at, a series of complaints dating back since may 2019, are you familiar with this? >> yes. >> okay. so it's a period of about nine months. so were you personally aware that this was going on in your venue? >> there were some issues, but we really didn't know the amount of it at the time until we were contacted by the -- by the -- some of the people in the entertainment commission. ev even though we have a good relationship with our neighbors above us, but there was more of a concern with the neighbors across the street. we've been trying to reach out with them, as well to try to get a communication with one of the ladies -- it's a real concern. we give our numbers, and we have talked to her a couple of

times that she feels this there's an issue, and like i said, we're not there, take care of it, and she -- and we're right there, take care of, and she seems to be pleased with it lately. >> i'm just concerned because there seems to be a lot of issues, and it doesn't seem like you did a lot of things to rectify the problem. can you tell us what you're going to do -- besides -- the security plan is the plan, but it's not going to be enforced by you if you're not concerned about these issues coming up. it's kind of an issue, so can you tell us what will be different moving forward, as far as the management? >> we -- like i said, we've been consulting with some people to help us out to control different type of issues and prepare ourselves in the learning process of how -- dealing with things, like, the different persons that have run out of the businesses.

we've talked to some other cab owners in the area so they can help us out and how to deal with that issue. i think the concern right now is to try to work in our relation with our neighbors, which i think has been the issue that we haven't had -- that closeness to them, and i think that would be the major issue. if we can keep -- continue being close to the neighbors, any issue before it blows out of proportion, we'll be able to solve it and -- >> are you yourself tracking it down or writing it down in a notebook when it comes in, a complaint. >> we are starting a log in on a report, which we're going to keep in there for -- whether it be for review or just for

personal information, yes. >> okay. thank you. >> thank you. >>. >> commissioner falzone: hi. good evening. how are you? >> good. >> commissioner falzone: good evening, mr. renne. how are you? >> i'm good. >> commissioner falzone: actually, i want to start by paying a compliment to you. i think you did a great job of taking our original 24 conditions and condensing it down to 14. by reviewing it, i feel there was a lot of effort and logic that was put into it, and i want to applaud that. i'm also appreciative of the owner's willingness to drop the limit down to 80. one sentence reads the ratio of security to patrons shall be

one security guard to every 80 patrons, but the next line reads there will be three to four security guards outside at all times. >> on-site at all times. >> commissioner falzone: on-site, thank you. so my only thing i'm wondering from an interpretation point of view, so that means if the place is empty, you're going to have three to four security guards on-site at all times? >> the -- >> commissioner falzone: and we can come up with -- we can fix this. i just want to make sure you understand it. >> yeah, the -- bottom line, yes. the whole idea is to try to get enough personnel to try to keep our patrons going. the reason we're asking, as well, for the 2:00 a.m. extension is so with that 1:00 to either 2:00 a.m. venue that we're going to be able to make, we'll be able to pay some of

the extra costs of security. >> commissioner falzone: sure, no, i'm following you. i'm just going to make a suggestion, although i'm okay with leaving this. it might make more sense, and i'm putting this out to my fellow commissioners, the second condition where it says there will be three to four security outside at all times, it might be helpful if we add when the ratio exceeds one guard per 80, there will be three to four security guards on-site. that will at least give you a bit of a buffer, so when staffing, when occupancy is lower than that, you won't be committed to the three to four people possibly. sometimes i confuse myself. please jump in. >> my only thought is the main reason why we're here tonight is because of outside patron noise on the outside of the premises. >> commissioner falzone: yeah, i'm aware of the complaint. >> that being said, if there's

only one security guard on-site, and they're not outside, the real thing that we're trying to resolve is the outside patron noise, and so -- >> commissioner falzone: well, let me look at this a different way, then, would it be logical that we should consider striking the ratio one per 80 if we're going to keep the condition that says there will always be three or four on-site? >> commissioner lee: i don't think that's viable for a business. >> commissioner falzone: well, i'm agreeing. that's why i'm bringing it up. >> commissioner lee: yeah, i'm agreeing with you. >> commissioner falzone: i'm just giving you the letter of the law. >> commissioner lee: we just say a minimum of two. if our staff believes we should have one inside and one out, a minimum of three to four outside, does that mean -- >> i think it's a timing concern, too, right? the business opens much earlie

three security guards when there's 50 people, and that's what's going to have to happen until you come back to us and say i can't afford it anymore. >> yes, and like i said, our main issue right now is to try to do that, to accomplish that. the -- i'm there five days of the week, and then, we hire the extra person, which is going to be two days of the week, so that way, there's always going to be a manager, and we communicate with kaitlyn basically on every time that there has been a complaint.

and i think she acan testify t that, that the complaints has gone down quite a bit since we've been talking. so we're enforcing and doing everything within our power to accomplish that. at this time, i don't mind three security guards if that's what we need to keep the noise happy and neighbors happy. maybe, like i said, in a future, we can amend that, but at the time if that's what you guys consider that's what we need, we're more than willing to agree to that. >> commissioner falzone: so let me try this one more time. let me try this slightly different approach. i think, are we willing to address one security guard per 80? what i'm actually thinking we

should -- i would propose to my fellow commissioners, we strike and leave the rest, that the security guards would patrol a 100-foot radius of the property in an hour. my only problem is we're getting into a dilemma -- >> that's really hard for us to enforce. >> commissioner falzone: well, you sit out there and watch. how are you going to enforce this? >> well, it's counting, right? they do -- >> commissioner falzone: no, no, i'm still trying to overcome this ratio of 1 to 80,

and then, there will be these three to four security guards on-site at all times. i guess my intent is we should strike the first condition. if everybody wants the three to four security guard's at all times then we probably don't need the 1 to 80 because based on occupancy, we've met it. >> i would agree with that. you guys can take that condition further and amend it, and say the owner agree there will be agree to four security guards on-site at all times. >> director hs >> commissioner lee: they're recommending three guards until they mitigate their problems, why don't we scratch the 1 to 80, and we come back in six months and see. he's willing to try it. we need to reduce these calls for service. >> i think we keep the 180, but then, we change the timing, and we don't do three to four because a minimum of three to four doesn't exist.

it's three is the minimum. four is not a minimum. if the range is always -- >> the minimum will be two. based on occupancy, the minimum would be two. and again, our main concern is -- >> no, we would say, the minimum would be three, not three to four. >> yeah, good point. >> commissioner lee: but then have that on a time. >> it does not read minimum of three. >> commissioner lee: there would be three to four security guards on-site at all times. >> commissioner falzone: i think we will say there will e be -- >> may i point your attention to the bullet point that starts on monday through fridays from

4:00 p.m. to close? >> commissioner falzone: let me try this. what if we leave the first condition of 1 to 80, and then, the language we need to work in the next condition is based on the previously stated ratio. then we go into how staffing gets diverted. i'm just trying to go to the president's point, if there's less than 80 patrons. if we're going to say the ratio is 1 to 80, then the next thing is based on the previous stated ratio, take out three to four. on weekends, two will be on the inside, and then one to two outside, etc., etc., and that doesn't impact your next condition. i'm just trying to say if people are comfortable with the 1 to 80, which i think is a positive, given the past history, i just think the next condition needs to follow that same ratio, and that addresses

the occupancy issue. >> with the understanding there will always be one security outside in your recommendation because that's what we'd like to see. >> commissioner falzone: so what you're saying is if no one's shown up yet, you want one security guard out front. that's what staff's recommending? okay. so we can add that, we can include that -- so i think, then, the first condition perhaps should read at all times, there shall be one guard on-site during all operating hours. and then go, the ratio of security after that one guard shall be one guard per 80. so we've got one guard at all times. after that, it's one per 80. and then, the next one would read, based on the afo

aforementioned ratio. >> i just wanted to restate what i previously stated is it's during these pertinent hours of 8:00 p.m. to 9:00 p.m. it's not during all business hours. >> commissioner falzone: correct, but that's why i'm addressing this issue because right now the condition's written, they're going to pick up violations because we are telling them to have three to four. >> you want to dictate that to me if we're going to -- >> commissioner falzone: so i think the first condition, the one that talks about the ratio. >> yes. >> commissioner falzone: reads in spirit, at all times, there shall be one security guard on premise during operating hours. subsequently, there shall be one guard to every 80 patrons. then, the next condition, strike the first sentence, and it would say, based on the

aforementioned formula, staffing shall be as follows. and then, on weekends, towo, ad then, so on and forth. >> okay. >> my only concern is we're forcing them -- >> commissioner falzone: no, no, we just struck it. so this is totally occupancy driven. it's protecting them. >> i definitely want them to have adequate security, but paying for three people or four people at all times -- >> commissioner falzone: so mr. renne, are you following this? >> yes. >> commissioner falzone: wow. i've never seen him so in the affirmative. >> commissioner lee: so are they going to be able to have three or four security guards on a friday? >> if the occupancy requires it? >> president bleiman: i think it's simpler than this. we just say they're going to have a minimum of one security guard for up to 80 people, and

after 9:00 p.m. or -- 9:00 p.m., seven days a week, right now, they have a minimum of three and one of them is posted outside at all times. >> can you redictate that. >> president bleiman: yeah. so they always have one security guard for 80 people, and then, seven days a week, after 8:00 p.m. because there have been major issues, this would be my vote. >> commissioner falzone: yeah, i agree. >> president bleiman: that they have a minimum of three, and at least one is posted outside during that entire time. so this way, you're not having -- because i run businesses, too. paying for three people all day at 3:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m., it's not economically viable. it's not going to help you. >> are you then recommending to scratch the entire condition that reads, there will be three to four security on-site at all

times, that whole condition? >> i'm okay keeping it, i just think that first sentence should be changed to -- >> what you just read? >> president bleiman: yeah. obviously, with these conditions, we want to be specific on what we want them to be doing just so they can be compliant with the plan and we can enforce it and we're not forcing the poor business -- >> commissioner falzone: can i just make one comment. let me just try this. we leave the first condition the way it is, and maybe the all the next condition has to say is regardless of occupancy, at 8:00 p.m., there shall be three guards or more -- but a

minimum, actually -- so regardless of occupancy, there shall be a minimum of three guards on-site at 8:00 p.m., and then, the rest continues. >> president bleiman: i think that's enforceable. >> commissioner falzone: i like that. >> i'm with you. so regardless of occupancy, there shall be three. >> commissioner falzone: a minimum. so the 1 to 80 will always be in play, but come 8:00, there shall be three guards, one posted on the exterior. and i think that's picking up the essence of both what the president is saying and what i'm trying to ferret through. >> commissioner lee: so basically, the inspector shows up at 8:30, and there better be three there. we're still actually reducing your experience. >> just so for my clarification

so i can understand -- >> commissioner falzone: mr. renne apparently completely understands. >> so it would be as soon as we open doors, there should be one security guard. >> commissioner falzone: one guard. during all business hours, a minimum of one. >> president bleiman: also, the staff can help you. we're happy to help you. >> okay. >> president bleiman: yeah. okay. anything else? all right. you can have a seat. thank you very much. is there any public comment on this item? >> good evening, commissioners. [inaudible] >> one thing i might add is it sounds like people converge outside and talk and hangout. maybe just putting up some signage that say no loitering. and then, the security can explain to the guests that you can't hangout outside because

we, as part of our condition, we had to put a no loitering sign up like that. that's what it sounds like where it's at. and the other thing is, you know, mark can get a better security team. it's not the number of the urt sko -- security, it's the quality of his team for the patrons, and i think that's going to work. >> president bleiman: thank you very much. >> hello. my name's rebel. and on this one, the 26 mix, is

that part of the mixture for -- or is that just part of the classroom, because, you know, it's a good idea, but he's explained to you that -- about this security. thank you. >> president bleiman: thank you very much. seeing no more public comment, public comment is closed. i hope you do the motion. >> commissioner falzone: i'm going to give it a shot. >> president bleiman: i want to hear you repeat what you just said. >> commissioner falzone: so based on our previously mentioned amendments -- would you like to take a shot at it first and see if we have concurrence? >> yes. okay. so i'm just speaking about the condition that you proposed to -- >> commissioner falzone: the one that follows the one to 80 ratio. >> regardless of occupancy, beginning at 8:00 p.m. daily, there shall be a minimum of

three security on-site, one of which must be outside. on weekdays, and that goes into the remaining of the sentence. >> commissioner falzone: okay. and the other part we want to get in there is during all operating hours, there always shall be at least one guard, and that can possibly go in front of the ratio one. >> sure. yes. >> commissioner falzone: and that was the point. there was always one guard, regardless of occupancy. >> there will always be one guard on-site during operating hours. >> commissioner falzone: a minimum of one guard. and with that amendment and the remaining 13 conditions, i would recommend approval -- the 13 conditions from staff.

>> commissioner lee: i second. [roll call] >> president bleiman: congratulations. been approved. thank you, and you can follow up with our deputy director, and feel free to ask her as many questions as you need to know what's happened here. thank you very much. all right. moving onto the last agenda item, which is commissioner comments and questions, i believe, the coronavirus issue, i know we're all being cautious and there's major hysteria going on, but all the businesses, please come and patronize. there's no disease or virus going on in chinatown or any

neighborhoods, san francisco at this point. and so right now, businesses are really, really hurting, and even the ones that are related to me. we're forced to layoff or have some unfortunate forced vacations until this crisis is over, so in the meantime, it would be great if people would just, you know, relax and look around and notice it's business as usual and come to chinatown or any of the communities that -- dinner or lunch. jump in. >> i do want to jump in. this issue is a moving target, and so we are involved, so just wanted to give you all a heads

up that we should have substantial updates as we go. we've also just been asked to staff the emergency operations center for 10 or 12 hours a week from our staff so we can be helpful and responsive to large scale events in the city. and we'll continue to take the guidance, leadership and messaging that's coming from the c.d.c., department of public health, and department of emergency management. >> president bleiman: all right. the only thing i was going to add was we all should be washing our hands. just having visited seattle this week for the conference. i think we need to remember how good we have it, the synergy

between our community and the night life. we are the gold standard maybe in the entire world, and everybody let us know that every single time we spoke with them. this was not made overnight, but we are the beneficiaries of it here, and the light. great job, anyone. let's keep it going. any public comment on commissioner comments and questions? seeing none, public comment is closed, and we'll adjourn the meeting at 6:54 p.m.

>> one more statement. we are the one. that is our first single that we made. that is our opinion. >> i can't argue with you. >> you are responsible please do not know his exact. [♪] [♪] [♪] >> i had a break when i was on a major label for my musical career. i took a seven year break. and then i came back. i worked in the library for a long time. when i started working the san

francisco history centre, i noticed they had the hippie collection. i thought, if they have a hippie collection, they really need to have a punk collection as well. so i talked to the city archivist who is my boss. she was very interested. one of the things that i wanted to get to the library was the avengers collection. this is definitely a valuable poster. because it is petty bone. it has that weird look because it was framed. it had something acid on it and something not acid framing it. we had to bring all of this stuff that had been piling up in my life here and make sure that the important parts of it got archived. it wasn't a big stretch for them to start collecting in the area of punk. we have a lot of great photos and flyers from that area and that. that i could donate myself. from they're, i decided, you

know, why not pursue other people and other bands and get them to donate as well? the historic moments in san francisco, punk history, is the sex pistols concert which was at winterland. [♪] it brought all of the punks on the web -- west coast to san francisco to see this show. the sex pistols played the east coast and then they play texas and a few places in the south and then they came directly to san francisco. they skipped l.a. and they skipped most of the media centres. san francisco was really the biggest show for them pick it was their biggest show ever. their tour manager was interested in managing the adventures, my band. we were asked to open to support the pistols way to that show. and the nuns were also asked to open the show. it was certainly the biggest crowd that we had ever played to. it was kind of terrifying but it did bring people all the way from vancouver, tee seattle, portland, san diego, all up and

down the coast, and l.a., obviously. to san francisco to see this show. there are a lot of people who say that after they saw this show they thought they would start their own band. it was a great jumping off point for a lot of west coast punk. it was also, the pistols' last show. in a way, it was the end of one era of punk and the beginning of a new one. the city of san francisco didn't necessarily support punk rock. [♪] >> last, but certainly not least is a jell-o be opera. they are the punk rock candidate of the lead singer called the dead kennedys. >> if we are blaming anybody in san francisco, we will just blame the dead kennedys. >> there you go. >> we had situations where concerts were cancelled due to flyers, obscene flyers that the

city was thought -- that he thought was obscene that had been put up. the city of san francisco has come around to embrace it's musicians. when they have the centennial for city hall, they brought in all kinds of local musicians and i got to perform at that. that was, at -- in a way, and appreciation from the city of san francisco for the musical legends. i feel like a lot of people in san francisco don't realize what resources there are at the library. we had a film series, the s.f. punk film series that i put together. it was nearly sold out every single night. people were so appreciative that someone was bringing this for them. it is free. everything in the library is free. >> it it is also a film producer who has a film coming out. maybe in 2018 about crime. what is the title of it? >> it is called san francisco first and only rock 'n' roll movie. crime, 1978. [laughter]

>> when i first went to the art institute before the adventures were formed in 77, i was going to be a painter. i did not know i would turn into a punk singer. i got back into painting and i mostly do portraiture and figurative painting. one of the things about this job here is i discovered some great resources for images for my painting. i was looking through these mug shot books that we have here that are from the 1920s. i did a whole series of a mug shot paintings from those books. they are in the san francisco history centre's s.f. police department records. there are so many different things that the library provides for san franciscans that i feel like a lot of people are like, oh, i don't have a library card. i've never been there. they need to come down and check it out and find out what we have. the people who are hiding stuff

in their sellers and wondering what to do with these old photos or old junk, whether it is hippie stuff or punk stuff, or stuffestuff from their grandpar, if they bring it here to us, we can preserve it and archive it and make it available to the public in the future. >> shop and dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents to do their business in the 49 square files of san francisco. we help san francisco remain unique, successful and right vi. so where will you shop and dine in the 49? >> i'm one of three owners here in san francisco and we provide mostly live music entertainment and we have food, the type of food that we have a mexican food and it's not a big menu, but we did it with love. like ribeye tacos and

quesadillas and fries. for latinos, it brings families together and if we can bring that family to your business, you're gold. tonight we have russelling for e community. >> we have a ten-person limb elimination match. we have a full-size ring with barside food and drink. we ended up getting wrestling here with puoillo del mar. we're hope og get families to join us. we've done a drag queen bingo and we're trying to be a diverse kind of club, trying different things. this is a great part of town and

there's a bunch of shops, a variety of stores and ethnic restaurants. there's a popular little shop that all of the kids like to hanhang out at. we have a great breakfast spot call brick fast at tiffanies. some of the older businesses are refurbished and newer businesses are coming in and it's exciting. >> we even have our own brewery for fdr, ferment, drink repeat. it's in the san francisco garden district and four beautiful muellermixer ura alsomurals. >> it's important to shop local because it's kind of like a circle of life, if you will. we hire local people. local people spend their money at our businesses and those local mean that wor people willr money as well. i hope people shop locally.

[ ♪ ] >> chair ronen: good morning, everyone. the meeting will come to order. good morning and welcome to the february 24, 2020 meeting of the rules committee. seated to my left is supervisor gordon mar. seating to my left for supervisor catherine stefani is matt haney. our clerk is gordon an youyoun i'd like to thank sfgovtv. mr. clerk, do we have any

announcements? >> clerk: yes. please silence all phones and electr electron electronic devices. items acted upon will appear on the board of supervisors agenda. >> chair rone >> chair ronen: thank you. can you please read item one. >> clerk: would you like to excuse supervisor stefani? >> chair ronen: thank you. yes. [gavel]. >> clerk: now would you please read item 1. [agenda item read]. >> chair ronen: and we have supervisor peskin. hello, supervisor peskin. would you like to make any opening comments?

>> supervisor peskin: thank you, chair ronen, supervisor haney, and supervisor mar. as you're aware, the board of supervisors gives the board the power of subpoena which was seldom used but was used a couple of times in the millennium tower to subpoena a couple of individuals. it is a lengthy and cumbersome process where the testimony doesn't happen in real-time. by the time you send the subpoena to the full board, four to six weeks have gone by.

a change to the board rules requires an eight-vote super majority, and we fell short by one vote. i felt at this time insofar as the board has the limited power of inquiry and inquiring minds want to know -- of course not to interfere or impede with ongoing civil or criminal investigations, i thought it was time to bring this board back. i know the clerk of this board has some comments or changes. i had a productive conversation with the board's attorney, miss pearson, yesterday, as it related to the administration of oaths in section 3.1, which i would like to actually collapse into -- and i do not

have language before you, but i'd like to collapse that 3.2.1, administration of oaths into 3.3.2 so that anybody that's subpoenaed would be administered the oath. it would not be done abtemporarily, it would be done for any and all individuals who are subpoenaed. and i know that chair ronen also wanted to potentially suggest an amendment, as well. >> chair ronen: yes. but let's first hear from the clerk of the board, angela calvillo. >> clerk: good morning, chair ronen, and thank you for allowing us to make a few changes. page 6, line 2, we would like

to say during a public subcommittee. on-line 7, that would -- as supervisor peskin indicated, that the clerk of the board would sign the subpoena. on line 8, you would add that first word, subject. and after that, you would remove the "s" after hearings and make the final -- a small "f" instead of capital "f." >> supervisor peskin: say that aga -- okay. >> clerk: the last request that we have is that on-line

13, 4.27 is instructing or authorizing the board to have oral motions for a -- i guess this would be for an oath of the full board for an oral motion, there is an existing board rule -- i believe it is 6.7, which is about subpoenas -- and we could collapse the language that you have here into 6.7 of the board rules. so basically, just have organizational requests, nothing substantive. >> chair ronen: okay. just so we don't lose track here, can i entertain a motion to approve changes articulated by the clerk of the board? okay. without objection, that motion passes. [gavel]. >> chair ronen: okay. first, i wanted to make sure i fully understood supervisor

peskin's amendment, which is that in order to administer the oath, the person would have to be, prior to that, subpoenaed by the board. >> supervisor peskin: at any point, a vote, pursuant to an oral motion, directed the issuance of a subpoena, the individual who was subpoenaed would testify under oath. as compared to the way it's currently written, which is in section 3.3.1, it says that the members of the government audit committee could decide whether or not the oath should be administered or not. and so the question that ms. pearson raised with me yesterday is what's the standard? and in reality, the handful of subpoenas that have been issued, all of those individuals testified under oath. so, i mean, this is not going to happen very often, one would

presume. >> chair ronen: right. >> supervisor peskin: and if it's somebody coming that's that weight, a subpoena's been issue, i think under 3.3.2, they just all testify under oath. >> chair ronen: okay. that makes sense to me. okay. so i was one of the three people a few years ago who voted against this almost identical law. >> supervisor peskin: and you're now a cosponsor. >> chair ronen: and now, i'm a cosponsor, and i wanted to explain that. three years ago, i was brand-new to the board, and i thought that it was -- this is a very serious power. the ability to subpoena someone under the penalty and power of

percenta perjury is quite serious and should be taken carefully, the power. and my concern is all the corruption that has been uncovered in san francisco, you know, with all the news stories, that journalists have uncovered, with the admission by our mayor have now involved at least four city departments. this is incredibly serious, and unfortunately, the board has a very limited capacity to do anything about it. not only that, we don't even know what investigations are potentially taking place. we know that the city important is investigating, but -- we know that the city attorney is investigating, but we don't know about the investigation. we don't know if the district attorney is investigating, we don't know if the f.b.i. is investigating, and we don't know if the ethics commission is investigating. that is because all of those

parties have to do so with a degree of confidentiality, and the board of supervisors isn't any more apprised of what those investigatio investigations encompass than the members of the public. i've had constituents ask me -- word of corruption has been there at city hall forever, and why haven't you done anything about it? and it's frustrating to us that we don't have more power to do something about it because, you know, as someone who believes in government's basic ability to take care of people who cannot take care of themselves, we cannot have the faith of people if there is low level or high level corruption happening at all times.

unfortunately, it's become such a part of the culture in this city and county that we must use all the power at our disposal to root it out once and for all. that is why i have changed my mind on this piece of legislation, so much so that i am now a cosponsor of it. having said that, it makes perfect sense to me that city employees are exempt from this power. city employees are protected by unions, are protected by laws, and the h.r. department, and there's various ways to deal with problems that are deeply part of our lives here in san francisco. but i do not understand why department heads are not included in this. department heads have inordinate responsibility in our city and county. they are the managers and

should know what's happening in their departments, and i think that we should add them as parties to this law where the board of supervisors is able, when appropriate, to subpoena department heads and administer the oath of office where the government audit and oversight committee thinks that possible. i know there is some concern about overuse of this law, and what i would say is that let's see, let's try it out. let's see what happens. does the g.a.o. overuse its power? well, we can scale it back if we need to. but right now, it is incumbent on any city official to root out the widespread corruption in this city once and for all.

we must restore the faith of every san franciscan, and our process must be above board. so i'd like to see what everybody thinks about it. supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thank you, chair ronen. actually, i'd like to thank supervisor peskin for bringing this motion forward. as current chair of the government audit and oversight committee, i agree with you and also with chair ronen about the importance of this motion and in really streamlining the board's ability to issue subpoenas and administer oaths at this point. and i -- you know, i wholeheartedly agree that, you know, right now, you know, with ongoing and -- and widening investigation into corruption in multiple departments in the city, you know, and in the investigation by multiple

parties, it's very important for the board's role in providing oversight and even looking at new policies to address the widespread corruption here at city hall to -- that these stream lined power of subpoenas and administering of oaths is very much needed right now, so thanks again for bringing this forward. i would like to be added as a cosponsor. >> chair ronen: supervisor haney? >> supervisor haney: thank you, and thank you, supervisor peskin and ronen, for bringing this forward. so i want to understand a little bit more of this piece around the city employees. so currently in the legislation, city employees are completely excluded or --

>> supervisor peskin: so through the chair to supervisor haney. no. the board has unfettered power to subpoena any employee. when this came through previously, board local 21 was concerned about -- not about department heads, who they do not represent, but about rank-and-file employees, engineers, architects, and the ability of a subset of the board, namely two of three members of the board who are members of the government audit committee, having that file over rank-and-file employees. so we added that to local 21, but the board has unfettered

power to call city employees. i absolutely support modifying this again to make it clear that government heads would be responsible to a government audit subpoena. >> supervisor haney: that makes sense, the change, and i'd love to be a cosponsor. >> supervisor peskin: so colleagues, i think we have a number of changes, and if they are acceptable to you, we can have miss pearson craft those between now and your next meeting. >> chair ronen: that sounds great. miss pearson? >> deputy city attorney ann pearson. may i ask a question? there is a restriction to administer an oath to a city

employee, but i don't see a restriction currently on the power to issue a subpoena. i want to clarify that to the extent that you are trying to make clear that you may issue a subpoena to a department head, the restriction is not currently there. >> supervisor peskin: good point. i think what we would like to do is make sure the subpoena is applicable to a department head. >> chair ronen: can you explain that again, supervisor peskin. >> supervisor peskin: thank you for that catch. why don't we make it clear that the committee could administer the oath for a department head but not other city employees. >> chair ronen: okay, great. before we move on, i wanted to open this item up for public

comment. is there any member of the public who wishes to speak? seeing none, public comment is closed -- oh, wait, sorry, yes, we do have. come on up. >> good morning. my name is jerry dratler, and i served on the civil grand jury twice. we do know that city attorney herrera is not an objective investigator. i support supervisor peskin's motion to expand the subpoena powers of government audit oversight committee. i believe the expansion needs to include all city employees. further, the idea that a corrupt city government can investigate itself is illogical. san francisco needs to bring a private investigator with

sterling reputation and integrity to root out corruption that currently exists. this is the only path forward for restoring the public's confidence in city government. thank you very much. >> chair ronen: thank you. next speaker? >> thank you so much, supervisor peskin, for introducing this legislation. we are facing one of the most pernicious situation in san francisco, the homeless crisis that we're facing, we do see department head acting improperly and irregularities are about, so we do need your legislation. however, as my colleague noted,

we do need to have the power to subpoena city employees. when you're investigating a department such as d.p.w., we want to know who knew it, when they knew it, and what effect this knowledge had on city affairs. to echo what mr. dratler said, we actually filed complaints regarding d.p.w. and their law splits several times and the city attorney actually dismissed it. so in events like this, who are you going to subpoena to find out what went on? i will bring to you another situation, that only weeks after this investigation started, mayor breed appoints mr. hillis, rich hillis was utterly unqualified, you know, for the job. the two qualifications, minimum requirements that were posted for this job was never met.

this was unfair to women of color who applied for this job, and they deserve to be heard. that's why we implore you to investigate how mr. hillis was appointed to this job. why is it that, you know, someone didn't have 12 years of planning experience, city and regional planning, that was cited in this job? >> chair ronen: thank you. next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. anastasia yannopolous. i support the motion. it's wise to bestow authority on the government audit and oversight committee to issue

subpoena duces tecum and to produce documents, records, and other tangible objects that are relevant to an authorized investigation. however, unless supervision to exempt government employees is removed, it's weak in this climate of corruption that you've all noted today. so i ask you to remove this exemption. we're still reeling from the appointment of rich hillis as the director of san francisco's planning department and ask why was he appointed without the required educational background and experience while women of color were passed over? thank you. >> good morning, supervisors.

thank you for addressing this crisis, and i do not think it's too strong a word. i think we do have a crisis. and also thank you for extending the proposed legislation of department heads. i would like to ask while we respect the independence and the rights and privileges of our bargaining unit employees, where there's a level of senior staff below department heads that's not represented, i don't know, but whether there's a level of senior staff that are below senior staff but not represented, as well, so we need to be reaching as department as we can in to staff when we extend this power. thank you very much. >> linda chapman. i'm going to speak for the late, great nob hill homeowners. for 14 years, 15 years, when i

was the principal organizer, i'm not aware of any situations except or -- for one or two. i became again after our membership director unfortunately decided to dissolve the operation because we were no longer meeting at city hall every week. we suddenly had these groups calling themselves lower polk neighbors, for example. what could be more corrupt -- i started by telling the supervisors good people were driven out. sent us corrupt managers, chris schulman, and whoever his assistant was. and they tell us those are community stakeholders, you

know, the most corrupt people that could possibly ever be, and people had no chance if they went to the planning commission. people at the planning commission were nodding their heads in agreement, that they were agreeing to do things that these corrupt people would go in, make a vote. i couldn't be a member. they wouldn't let me pay dues because then, i could vote. they were being paid to do this. they were making money, and in many cases, they were being paid by the city like now. these corrupt people who claim they're stakeholders and doing things against the neighborhood, and being encouraged, also, by the innocent -- >> chair ronen: thank you so much. is there any other member of the public who wishes to speak on this item? seeing none, public comment is closed. miss pearson, you're clear

about the amendments -- fantastic. so i will make a motion to continue this item to the next rules committee -- >> clerk: you'd like to accept the amendments first? >> chair ronen: well, can we do that or do you need to draft them first? >> if they have been sufficiently described here, you may vote on them, and i will draft a motion that states the vote. >> chair ronen: okay. can we make a motion to do that? okay. then the motion passes. and we will hear that next on. >> clerk: march the 2nd. >> chair ronen: march the 2nd. >> supervisor peskin: see you next week.

[gavel]. >> chair ronen: mr. clerk, can you read the next item. [agenda item read]. >> chair ronen: thank you very much. and i'll call up the applicants, and if you could keep your comments to approximately two minutes, that would be great. and i'm going to call you in order. is hanley chan here? and then next, we'll call up jason chittivong. >> good morni >>. >> chair ronen: good morning, mr. chan. >> good morning, supervisors. i want to thank you for the opportunity to reapply for the veteran's commission. i spent my school here, former navy, former national guard. i want to continue my work. i'm working on an ad hoc committee, working on getting a

paid park. san jose, our next-door neighbor city, happy hall ooll park, if you show a veteran's i.d., you get in for free. basically, that's what we should do for our veterans. i want to continue working on housing for our veterans and much, much more to do. i'll actually make it brief. i'm supporting my partners, and thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you. jason chittivong, and next

we'll have william barnickel. >> thank you, supervisors. i'm here to announce my candidacy for the commissioner. i was a combat marine in 2000-2004 during my initial push in iraq. during my time at san francisco state university, i have pushed to help veterans with student housing and assisting them with other aids as in vocational materials and stance. i am currently right now working with the veteran justice court serving as a mentor coordinator, providing education as well, and benefits, to help them through their treatment and rehabilitation. my objective to be part of the v.a. commissioner is to provide reports, updates of our treatment program and see if we can provide more assistance and

services to them. and also, housing, because one of the biggest issues that we've been facing with all of our veterans going through treatment is the challenge of them having a stable home. i've been a board member of the bay area student leadership council here in san francisco. i've served two years as leader of the national san francisco chapter, and i'm also here in support of mr. bill barnickel. thank you. >> chair ronen: mr. barnickel, and we'll hear from douglas boullard. >> good morning, commissioners. i thought i had three minutes -- >> chair ronen: we have two minutes because we have so many candidates. >> okay. good morning. i'm bill barnickel. i'm a retired united states air force. duty, honor, and country, and

our core values in the air force are integrity force,' excellence in all we do, and service before self-. these are words that i have lived by in my civilian military and also before that, in my military career. after church one day, i asked the father if he was ever in the military? he said yes, i was a gree green beret. if you remember pat tillman, he was in the nfl, and he wanted

to be a green beret and join his brother. people said, why would you give up $5 million a year? he said it's my calling. well, this is my calling. i want to thank my veteran's office and others for all their support. without them, i could not accomplish my mission. i have organized two jobs a year, city college and others, and we placed over 400 part-time jobs and full-time jobs. in collaboration with the institute on aging which is the lead agency with the department of insurance and attorney of justice, we started a veterans program. these efforts earned us a 2017 aging innovations award and a

national award for our program. [inaudible] >> during my four years, i have not missed a meeting. [inaudible] >> i have also received an award from my district 4 supervisor, gordon mar. and also, in 2019, i was acknowledged veteran of the year by state senator wiener. supervisors, it's great getting all these awards, but the biggest award and biggest accolade is i can get a call from a wife and say thank you for your help getting us

benefits. as you can see, supervisors, this is my calling, and i want to continue my journey and i request your approval. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. thank you for your service. >> thank you. >> chair ronen: next, douglas boullard, and then after that, eric deng. hi. >> thank you, chair ronen, supervisor mar, supervisor haney. thank you for giving me a minute to speak. some of you may know me as the junior rotc director at lowell, and i've been doing that 22 years. frankly, it's the joy of my life, probably more fun than anything i got to do in my previous 23 years in active duty as an army engineer officer. my last assignment as active

duty was in 1992, at san francisco state university, and i now consider san francisco home. i got my instincts for serving from my dad, who served in monmany positions in the town and served on the school board there. i have a passion for serving those that are kind of on the margins, and oftentimes, our veterans find themselves there. and so i -- i really want to have that opportunity to serve them. i've been a member of the v.f.w., the american legion, the ausa, and many other activities. most recently, i was part of a

contingent to go to the philippines to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the letay landing. i look forward to this opportunity, and i thank you so much. >> chair ronen: thank you. good morning, mr. deng. >> my name is eric deng, and just a little bit about me. i spent five years in the air force, just separated about a year ago. i'm a son of two immigrants, and my parents moved to the u.s., like probably most immigrants, in search of a better life and in search of the american dream, and hopefully to provide a better life for their children and future children, as well. part of that, why i served, i wanted to preserve that

opportunity for others. part of my wanting to serve here today is to making sure that we extend that opportunity to our veterans and folks who have put their time and energy on the line. my background is in program management, team management, but i do have a lot of experience in cross functional team management, creating a space for folks and a space and environment highlighting what are the key issues, and distilling those items into key action items that we can enact, move forward, and make things better. i'm definitely no stranger in terms of coordinating across different teams and different organizations with different incentives. additionally, i think i can provide a unique perspective to the veterans affairs commission seeing i just completed my transition out of the military just about a year ago and am working for a nontradition education system here in the city, and i think i'm just a little bit closer to the

challenges that veterans face when they first transition and leave the military. so if appointed, i'd really like to focus on workforce represent, create a workforce across the city as a whole to allow veterans to connect across all experience levels. i know the value that city college provides for our veterans, and of course the office of economic and workforce development with the mayor. so thank you so much for your time and for your consideration, and i appreciate it. thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. randall knight, and then we'll hear from courtney miller. >> hello. my name is randall knight. i'm originally from new york, and i served in the military

from 19 t98 to 2005. i've noticed that there has been a similar pattern of housing needs, medical services, and a total unaware that there are benefits and resources that are out there to veterans. a lot of these organizations are started by other veterans themselves, and are privatized. government -- i have found out that government institutions are allotting this money to those who are interested and who know how to get those helps to those individuals who need those helps. in these last three years, i've become a san francisco resident, and i consider this to be my home. i enjoy it here, and the people that -- the connections that i've been making with other vets has been outstanding. i've taken the time to branch -- make a podcast as well as reach out to other veterans needing housing, as

well. i feel honored to serve, and continue to fight for others like myself. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. courtney miller and then daniel shaffer. good morning. >> good morning, supervisors. after commissioning from west point, i've spent my first five years on duty serving in the army's light active division. during that time, deployed to both afghanistan and iraq. after returning from my old deployment, i was selected to serve in arlington, and the tomb of the unknowns there. in response to the challenges that i experienced during my transition, i cofounded an organization focused on supporting female veterans

transitions both before, during, and after, and i'm confident that the lens i would bring to the commission is unique, recent, relevant, and would be incredibly complementary to those that are currently serving on the veterans commission. thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. appreciate it. daniel shaffer and then robert wining or wining. sorry if i'm mispronouncing your name. hi. >> good morning, chair ronen and members of the committee. thank you for having me here today. my name is daniel shaffer, and i'm seeking appointment to the san francisco veterans affairs employee. i held various positioning, managing organization ones ranging from 40 soldiers to 2500 in various ranges of service. i am now here with the hope of

continuing my service to the veteran community. my transition from the military was difficult. i left the service as a disabled veteran, unsure of how you would simulate into civilian life. i felt alone and new little of the benefits available to me. this feeling has been shared by my friends and soldiers, pushing them towards isolation with nothing but their memories to keep them company. moreover, i've lost many friends to the demons they brought home with them. i believe my service is relevant to the commission because of the challenges of my transition. i know what it's like to have a disability that people cannot see. we are facing an epidemic that we must do better by people that have served our country. my goal is to make sure that every veteran can understand

and can achieve all the services that are available to them. when i reflect on the mentors that i've had and the number of mentors that i've had, i can't help but think of the number that are underserved because they don't have the right knowledge or know the right questions to ask. thank you for your time today. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. robert wining, is he here today? i don't see him. kyle zeck is not here, either. okay. unless there are any comments from my colleagues, i'll open this up -- any members of the public wishes to speak? and are applicants allowed to comment on other applicants? >> clerk: yes, they may. >> chair ronen: okay. you may comment on other

applications but not your own. >> bill barnickel. i'm in support of hanley chan. he's one of our newer commissioners. he's done an incredible job. it's important and paramount that we have a person like him. he's very active in the community. number two, jason chittivong. he put together a team of mentors for veterans who have been inkocarcerated, and they' done a great job rehabilitating them. it's imperative that we have people like jason aboard. doug miller, i've then for a while now, and it's imperative that we have people like him on the board. these three people, if we miss

them, we miss having them on the board, and i just feel it's imperative. thank you. >> good morning. i'm here to speak on behalf of eric deng. he's a friend and colleague for about a year. i see the way that he works and shows leadership and respect to his team and nurtures new ideas and hears new points of view. i think he'd be an excellent addition to this commission, and i hope he gets a chance. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is edgar de leon. i'm a cofunder for reach across america where we remember veterans over the holiday seasons by placing wreaths on their headstones. i'm also the sound producers for the san francisco national cemetery here in the presidio.

i'm here to support bill barnickel and doug boullard. they're great advocates for what i do in the community at large. i've known bill over the last two years. he's provided his services as emcee for the ceremony. he's garnered certificates fromcrfrom catherine stefani's office, district 2, and helped our wreath programs by garnering the help of our rotc cadets here in san francisco.

>> -- that they had while they're on active duty, and even injuries that happened out of the military. he spends his time -- i always say be a lot more like bill. bill spends his time taking vets to the v.a. center for ptsd counseling. he'll stop and talk to a stranger and then connect them with services, so he kind of goes above and beyond outside the meetings to connect veterans in the community that he doesn't even know, somebody that doesn't wear a hat,

doesn't wear a shirt, or doesn't wear a pin. bill spends a lot of his time going to the san francisco cvso, helping veterans file claims, with the g.a., with food stamps, with community services, with housing, education, the veterans justice corps. kind of stays with them and keeps them from falling through the cracks. i'd say, you know, this commission, i served on it in 2012, and it had a tendency to surround people that are like minded. i would say those three veterans push the limit, and they go beyond, and they challenge. it's a war on -- but they

actually do -- [inaudible] >> chair ronen: thank you. >> good morning, supervisors. i'm a member of the veterans commission, and i'd like to say i'm impressed by the candidates that we have this time, which i think is a good boding for the veterans affairs commission. i'm here to speak out in support of douglas boullard in his application for the commission. i think he has the work ethic and character to be a positive addition to the commission. as a vietnam era veteran, he has the ability to link very well with others, and for those of you that know him, doug can talk to anyone, and he frequently does. all over the place, all the time, to endless detail. now, i make fun of him about

that, but he has the ability to connect with many individuals. he has been serving as an instructor at the university and high school level for a number of years, and he wants to take those efforts and focus them on those leaving the military, as well. i think doug has the collaborative mindset, the work athick, and the personal nature that will make him a very positive addition to the veterans affairs commission. in addition, i'd be remiss if i didn't submit my colleagues, as well, bill barnickel and hanley chan, for their reappointment to the veterans affairs commission. thank you. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is david chen, and i am a small business owner in approximate bayview-hunters point. i am a veteran of the united

states coast guard. i know hanley chan, and i did not know there were any services available to me. he brought me to the veteran's affairs offices, and helped obtain services for me that i didn't even know were available. i believe that he would be -- his work continues -- he needs to be there. that's it. thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. next speaker. >> i am the executive director of the a. philip randolph association of san francisco. i'm here in support of hanley chan. a lot of people don't realize i was born in san francisco, and the hospital that i was born in no longer exists.

my mother was an active duty petty officer in the u.s. coast guard when she gave birth to me at letterman hospital. so i'm truly a military brat, a san francisco native, and as you guys just heard from my other half, david, i'm also married to one, as well. but i supported many community members and leaders on various city commissions whose work impacts the community that i serve, and i'm really proud to stand in support of a friend and colleague that i've gotten to know over the last year because his office is a block away from mine -- actually, his office is across the street from our. i know hanley is a veteran and builds relationships in the black community. he's the only veteran that's reached out, come into my office and extended knowledge,

relationships, resources to not only educate me but any of the clients i serve. so, you know, now we know about business resources, health care opportunities for veterans, and i think that speaks volumes to his character, so i thank you for your consideration. thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. good morning. >> good morning. good morning, supervisors. my name is ken lomba, and i'm the president of the san francisco deputy sheriff's association. i'm here in support of hanley chan. he's been very instrumental for our union. he's actually helped us make connections and contacts for our veterans members and also been instrumental in setting up information events. as well as we are in support of bill barnickel, jason chittivong, and doug boullard. i believe they'd all do an

excellent job, and i'd like to thank them for their service while i'm here. thank you. >> hi. good morning. my name is gilbert dare, and i'm here in support of bill barnickel. my father is a combat veteran from world war ii. he was awarded a purple heart, and little did we know, he was entitled to benefits for his service. on his own, i believe about 12 years ago, he went out and got his benefits. a few months ago, i met bill on a business call. one thing led to another, and i let him know that my dad was a veteran. immediately he asked me, does your dad receive any benefits, and i said he does. he goes, are you sure he's getting what he needs? and i said well, what do you mean by that? so in typical bill fashion, in his heartfelt, caring way, we

discussed his needs and, you know, his experience. and he says i think your dad is entitled to more benefits. and so my dad's 95, and through bill's help, we -- we've received in-home nursing care, physical therapy, new hearing aids, and increased benefits. so i'm here in support of bill, and he's a very heartfelt man, and i would like to see him continue in his role as a commissioner -- [inaudible] >> clerk: thank you. next speaker. >> supervisors, it's an honor to be before you again to speak up for the candidates that you have, and i know you have a tough job ahead of you for deciding who's going to be on the board because there's only four slots. commissioner william barnickel

is a seasoned, experienced veteran who's currently on the commission for reappointment. through commissioner barnickel's due diligence, he was able to get and keep 14 veterans from being rehoused due to the landlord building home commission. commissioner barnickel has also, through his merit, earned the distinguished san francisco veterans of the year award for his mutual help on this within our community here in san francisco. commissioner chan is a seasoned and experienced u.s. navy-national guard veteran who is presently a veteran's affairs commissioner who is up for reappointment. commissioner chan has reached out to me the other day to come and show appreciation for the military veterans from the san

francisco sheriff's department. commissioner chan is very in touch with the veterans community, and in process of working with two areas of interest in the san francisco community. the first one is getting free access to the state parks and recreation, and the state level recreation b.m.r., as well. jason is currently managing the veterans justice court as a men tar coordinator. -- mentor coordinator. i was so impressed with sitting down with both -- [inaudible]

>> chair ronen: thank you. thank you so much. thank you. next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is linda yee. i hope you don't just consider bill barnickel for the next four years as a commissioner, i hope you appoint him. i can't say how much he did for my 96-year-old dad who served in the borna war theater. i helped him through the application process. it was really difficult. we waited, and we waited. two years later, no word from the veterans administration. so i finally contacted congress woman jackie speier's office, and they said my dad did not qualify. so i appealed that decision. still, no answer. then, a year later, i accidentally met bill

barnickel, and through a mutual friend, i told him his story. he told me to contact and set up a meeting with those kind folks at the san francisco county veteran's service office. i don't think it took more than a few months, and he got the award, so it was really a big learning process, but it was something my dad earned because he fought for this country from 1942 to 1945. my dad was finally getting his pension at age 93. today, he's 96. he would have been here today, but it's difficult for him to get around. he fully supports bill for helping him. i don't see how you can have anybody else do the job that bill did for my dad and other elderly veterans just like him. so do the right thing, reappoint bill as a commissioner of veteran's affairs for san francisco. thank you.

>> good morning. my name's carl pang. i'm currently employed by the city since 1962, served in the marine corps. i applied for my veterans assistance. the first time i went out to the hospital, the doctors had the nerve to tell me yes, you do have cancer, but you're making too much money because you're still employed. i ran into bill about a year ago, and i told bill my story. bill says that's ridiculous. so i was able to go out with bill. and i judge a person not by what they say, but what they do. bill really pushed everything through, and just not quite -- not quite a month ago, i got 100% disability from the v.a. so i really appreciate

everything that mr. barnickel has done, and they're all good commissioners. thank you. >> city leaders, neighbors, and veterans of san francisco, thank you for taking the time to support san francisco and its people. my name is nicholas, and i live in ingleside. i'm a combat wounded veteran, decorated with a purple heart, operation iraqi freedom 2004. right now, i volunteer with jason. i met jason at sfsu where he led veteran students to access benefits and service. he's personally assisted me in accessing my benefits and care. he's organized and educated veterans at sfsu about the city and federal options for care. thanks to jason, i will be a

homeowner in 60 days through the b.m.r. program. jason was promoted to look at sfsu veterans office to officially work in a capacity to help veterans get through the education system. for the past year, jason has volunteered without pay at the veterans justice court first as a peer mentor and then as a peer mentor coordinator. he assists the most destitute among our community to access health care and housing and apply for their benefits and engaging with the veterans administration health care system through the city's department of health and human services. jason will be an invaluable

asset because of his continuous self-less service in the community. he urges veterans from any situation to get on their feet and get to a better place. i think jason chittivong will bring our veterans home. further, i'd like to add that bill barnickel -- [inaudible] >> clerk: speakers time has elapsed. >> chair ronen: thank you very much. thank you so much. next speaker. >> good day, supervisors. my name is irwin umbau, and i'm a managing supervisor of citibank. i'd like to support bill barnickel about three years, and i think the three words that can describe him are dedication, motivation, and

commitment. my nephew, who recently separated after seven years from the air force, came to me and said i'm separating into civilian life. bill took him by the arm and walked him through the process of getting all his benefits. bill and i study martial arts in the same school. there was a veteran there who separated from the navy, and he walked him through the whole process of getting health care, education, housing, and career development. i participated in a lot of his efforts, and i look forward to participating with him in the future. i have not been with him socially where he has not found a veteran to help. i hope that helps you. >> good morning. my name is gordon tan, and i'm

born and raised in san francisco. i'm here in support of hanley chan. i've known him for many years, and i know his dedication with the commission. he's always hard working, has a good network of people that he knows, so i think he provides good support for all the veterans out there. thank you for your time. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. next speaker. >> good morning, supervisors. my name's vern glen, and normally, i talk about nothing but sports. i'm a t.v. guy. thank you for the applause. but i'm here for hanley chan, so i'm going to step out of the sports land and talk about him. we go back 20 years, and i've never seen him stop. i don't know where he gets his energy from, but you watch him work a room, you watch him fight for you, and it will just be unbelievable. paul mayamoto went for sheriff. how did that work out? got sworn in about a month ago,

and when he needed help, he called hanley chan, and we saw the end result. he's the kind of guy that just will not stop and just continue to fight. you need him on your team, you want him on your team, so hey, hanley chan, just remember the name. >> chair ronen: great voice. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is vernon xi. i'm a product of san francisco. i was born and raised in san francisco, product of the rotc program in high school. shortly after i graduated high school, i enlisted in the united states marine corps. after i separated, i was very unaware of my benefits, and i've been out for four years, and i have finally started applying for benefits.

after i met hanley chan, he's constantly reaching out, making sure i'm speaking to the right people, getting the kacare i need, so i support hanley chan. thank you. >> good morning. my name's bob vicari, robert vicari officially. i'm here to represent bill barnickel for one main reason. he got me what i deserve. i'm a veteran in the korean war. i ran into bill in the sunset, and he had heard i ran into

trouble with the v.a. getting hearing aids. he said you should be getting hearing aids. you're a combat veteran. he took me down to the city, at 2 vanness. i met a guy named gallagher, and then i went to the v.a. center, met a lady by the name of liz. i had a couple of interviews, down in texas, got veterans evaluation services, got into the mix, and not only -- i got my hearing aids, but they treat me very nicely over at the v.a., and the only thing i can say after everything has been said thus far is that he's your man, and he's my man for sure. thank you very much. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is victor olivari, and

i'm the chairman of the veteran's association. i don't envy your job. this is the second year that we've had a ton of overwhelming candidates. i did try to make your job easier to commence a rules committee to review all the applications and then recommended them to the commission. the committee is recommending douglas boullard and courtney miller. the only job we're responsible is advising the board of supervisors and mayor about policies that might affect veterans. if there's a fifth person that you really like, please let us

know, and we will do our best to make sure that person gets in front of the mayor's office. the commission right now is made up of 11 men and three women, which i think is something very important to note. we have eight people of color, that's four a.p.i., one african american, one hispanic, one middle eastern, and one lgbt. what we are missing is gaps in experience. we need subject matter experts, and this is well beyond public comment or any support of candidate. we have gaps in workforce development, education, housing, project management, and employee resource group development. so with that in mind, beyond the official recommendations of the board, i wanted to highlight the applications of three other prospective applicants in case you do not wish to fill those other two seats. those are eric deng, daniel

shaffer, and jason chittivong. thank you for your time, and i'm available if you have any questions. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. next speaker. >> good morning. my name is ralph martinson. i'm here supporting bill barnickel. i met bill, and he got to know me a little bit, and he said, marine, i'm going to help you. that was difficult for me. it's sometimes difficult for some of us to reach out for help. i know that after i was discharged, honorable discharge in 2006, operation iraqi freedom combat tours,

immediately went to graduate school, got married, things were looking bright, but i was carrying some things that hadn't been resolved just yet, and bill was there for me. bill said i'm going to take care of you, marine, and he dogged me out. i was trying not to go to the best of my ability, and he just stuck with me every step of the way. to this date, besides the ratings and benefits, just the help received, whatever it is, the mental health counseling, the supports, financial help, i think it really stopped me from going in a really wrong turn in my life, and i always appreciated him for that. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. is there any other member of the public who wishes to speak? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> chair ronen: so you all have

left us with an impossible task. it is just incredible to see the breadth of dedication to one another. i want to thank you all for your willingness to serve. all -- both of my colleagues want to speak. i will just say that i am very in favor of reappointing hanley chan to seat nine and william barnickel to seat three. clearly, you are going above and beyond your duties in providing support to fellow veterans, and i just want to thank you so much for doing that and explain -- and support your renomination to the commission. i also believe that women are underrepresented on this body, and so i would like to support

courtney miller for another seat on the commission, and then, the remaining seat, it's very difficult to say, but i wanted to hear from my colleagues before making a decision. so supervisor mar? >> supervisor mar: thank you chair ronen. i also want to thank all of the very impressive applicants for not just your willingness and serving on the veteran's affairs commission, but for your service to our country and your dedication and service to san francisco. as the son of a veteran and somebody who has family who are veterans, it's just inspiring to me to see all the different ways you're helping in our city. i -- yeah, i guess i -- this is a really hard decision to make, you know, as chair ronen has

stated. and i -- i also support the reappointment of hanley chan and bill barnickel. i have worked very closely with both bill and hanley on veterans issues and been really impressed and inspired by all of the direct work that both of you are doing to support individual veterans and families navigating -- to navigate our challenging service systems and bureaucracy. but also, you've done so much to educate me and other city leaders on the needs of our veterans community and towards improvement to our system and towards services to veterans. and i -- i also am supportive of doug boullard as a new appointment to the commission. doug is somebody that i've gotten to know very well

through his work as a jrotc program at lowell, but also citywide through the jrotc program, so i'm impressed by doug and his dedication to young people and his mentoring of young people through the jrotc people and what he's done to bridge the work between the veterans and military and the commission. >> chair ronen: thank you. supervisor haney? >> supervisor haney: yes. i also want to thank all the folks that came out and applied. it's amazing to hear about everybody's extraordinary service and how you continue to help people in the community, especially veterans in our city. i know for bill and for hanley and for all of the members of

the commission, you all go above and beyond, and it's just extraordinary how many people you're able to connect with and support and be there for. so i just want to appreciate all of the members of the commission, and everyone who applied, for those who wanted to be on the commission, because we have a limited number of spots, i hope that you continue to be engaged, and i hope that there are ways for the commission to promote and support your leadership in the meantime, and hopefully, you'll have a spot on the commission at some point. i also just wanted to give a shout out to hanley who's somebody it seems like most of us know, and just thank him for being everywhere and for educating all of us and elected officials about the needs of veterans in our community. and then, i also wanted to

speak to doug boullard. he's somebody i got to know very well when i was a school board member and have always appreciated his role especially working with young people and just the professionalism and the effectiveness with which he does his work for jrotc. even when there was disagreements with the school district -- sometimes there are -- he always was an effective voice for leaders and veterans on the jrotc. i'm a guest on this committee, so i would defer to the chair on the final recommendations. >> chair ronen: okay. so listening to the comments, i will make a motion to move forward with positive recommendation william barnickel to seat three, courtney miller to seat six, douglas boullard to seat eight, and hanley chan to seat nine. and if i can take that without objection, that motion passes

unanimously. [gavel]. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. [applause] >> chair ronen: for those of you who didn't get a seat, please reach out to the mayor's office, and commissioner hanley can be helpful with that. thank you so much. mr. clerk, can you please read item three. >> item three is a hearing considering appointing one member, indefinite term, to the street-level dealing task force. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. give you a minute -- if you could please take the conversations outside, we still have business. i'd appreciate it so much. thank you. thank you. supervisor haney, do you have any opening comments? >> supervisor haney: sure. so i want to thank the rules

committee for making the appointments previously to the street level task force. this task force has actually already started to meet, and unfortunately -- >> chair ronen: sorry. if there's any further conversations, if you could take those outside, thank you so much. thank you. >> supervisor haney: thank you. unfortunately, one of the members, janet hector, who was previously appointed, had to withdraw. so we have six applicants for this one seat. some folks are here today with us, and some were not able to make it. we've read all of the applicants beforehand and have

considered any applicants. [inaudible] >> i got myself back together, and now, i have my own office that i help people -- homeless people get -- acquire housing every day, and i'm standing here in city hall. and i just think i have a good outlook on how -- like, give a good information on open -- like, the task force and ways to help either the people dealing drugs get programs or

focusing on the drug aiddicts getting programs. and thinking more of the drug dealers, getting help for them, seeing if they're willing to use their skills for other purposes, but that's what i'm here for. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. >> good morning. i'm kenneth kim. i'm a licensed clinical psychologist and senior directing programs at glide. i was really exciting about janet joining the task force because of its charge. she's someone who's incredibly knowledgeable about this information. for myself, i came into this work growing up in approximate government housing myself, being exposed to violent crimes myself. most of my experience has been in foster care, so my

experience in drugs have been through foster parents, mostly in contra costa county. impart i am part of the community advisory committee, and i think my strength is being a bridge between the mental health systems. i've managed medicare contracts for ten years, and really, the challenges on both sides. with my work in glide, i helped lead the safe injection sites, what they look like, and how to apply the principles. i've been involved in the 300 ellis block safety group, as well as becoming a member of tndc to help them with their member services. so in a really short time, i've

been all over and appreciate advocating for all sides and also creatively pushing for a systems change, which i know this group is charged to do. so thank you for your consideration and your time. >> chair ronen: is there any other applicants that is present? we will now open this item up for public comment. any member of the public who wishes to speak, please come on up. >> good morning, supervisors. i'd like to speak in support of nicholas parise. he is -- i work at hospitality house and have known nicholas for the past year. he has a lot of integrity and potential leadership. recently, he -- he presented to our entire staff how to use

narcan to save lives on sixth street, which he had done himself. so i would like to speak in support of his application. thank you. >> good morning, supervisors. my name is mike. i am the clubhouse director for the boys and girls club of san francisco right here in the tenderloin. i am here to -- i don't have the words today -- for dr. kenneth kim. i've known dr. kim for several years now. he is someone who's from the community in that he's knee deep in the work that we're doing on a system basis. if we're looking for someone that has a multifaceted approach, multifaceted ideas,

dr. kim is probably one of the best people i can think of. whether it's systems driven work, community driven work, dr. kim has done it all in spades. i think this committee is a -- or this task force is a great way to kind of get things started, and i think dr. kim's perspective in all this work will be beneficial. he has mental health and behavioral health background, and i think we all know that the levels of trauma that come from street level drug dealing is multifaceted. it's not just being against the rules or breaking laws, there's a lot of trauma that goes with street level drug dealing, and whether it's the people dealing drugs, or the people using

drugs or the community, dr. kim brings a specific experience to that work all at the same time. thank you. >> morning, supervisors. my name is kate robinson from tenderloin community benefit district. i'm here to support ken kim for seat number two on the street level task force. not only do i think dr. kim is extremely qualified for the seat, i also think it's appropriate to have the seat remain with glide in respect to their lead program and harm reduction programs. i think it's critically important to have glide and particularly dr. kim at the table for this task force. i've worked with kim in partnership over the last two years with the block safety group and the 300 block of

ellis, and his intelligence, his commitment to solutions, his ability to really bring people together with opposing views. i urge the supervisors to appoint ken kim. thank you. >> chair ronen: thank you so much. >> can i give you my card, too? thank you. good morning supervisors. i'm associate director of the

ucsf community engagement. through ctsi and ccsi, ucsf is striving to make our science more useful and applicable to keeping our communities healthy and safe. our approach is to promote health and health care equity and patient centered care through partnership and collaboration. for the past five years, i've had the honor to serve on the tlhip advisory committee, coordinated by st. francis hospital and foundation. it's a unique platform for stakeholders to collaborate.

i'm very fortunate to have the opportunity to build these bridges of health and health equity. the tlhipcac that i met ken kim. ken serves aresource and a -- as a resource and leader on drug addiction and drug use. ken's exceptional knowledge comes from the depth and breadth of his clinical administrative experience which in turn comes from a lived experience, living in public housing. ken's seemingly inexhaustible passion for better health care in district six drives him to help others, and my institute's included, to build their capacity --

>> chair ronen: thank you so much. is there any other member of the public who wishes to speak? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel]. >> chair ronen: supervisor haney? >> supervisor haney: yes. i'd like to thank mr. nicholas and dr. kim for applying. for anyone who wants to attend, there's sort of a more public feedback meeting that's going to happen this wednesday. the whole task force will be there. so again, i just want to appreciate you both for applying. i'm going to make a motion to appoint dr. ken kim to be appointed to sit in vacant seat two. >> chair ronen: and without objection, that motion passes

unanimously. thank you so much, both of you, for your willingness to serve. mr. clerk, can you please read item 4. [agenda item read]. >> chair ronen: supervisor haney, would you like to make any opening remarks? >> supervisor haney: yes. i want to thank all of the applicants, including those of you who are still around, for joining us today. the soma community stabilization fund was created in 2005, and its mission is to stablize the community and promote equity through funding recommendations and priorities that mitigate the impact of development. some notable highlights of the fund's investments include the build out of the soma child care center at transbay, seed funding for the bill soro

housing, acquisition for a new permanent location for soma playas, and much more. throughout the fund's history, the board of supervisors has always honors the recommendations of the c.a.c., and so it has real influence in shaping the neighborhood and prioritizing investments to stablize residents and businesses. it is critical this responsibility is held by people who know and have been invested in soma. their expertise, history, and relationships in soma will be critical in making decisions for allocating these public dollars. i want to thank claudine, adele, and we appreciate your years of work and dedication to the c.a.c. and its members. today, we have eight

applicants. one applicant withdrew their application, and i know some applicants are here and some are not. i know we've reviewed all the applications beforehand and reviewed all the information submitted by the applicants. so for the applicants that are here today, if you can lineup and approach the podium one by one and share a brief statement why you would like to be a part of the soma stabilization fund. >> chair ronen: come on up. >> hello, supervisors. thank you for the opportunity to present my qualifications for the soma stabilization fund. i will quickly run through the various small business projects that i have worked on over the last 11 years, the majority of which have been in or near soma. in 2009, i opened farm table, a little cafe that could, and a social experiment where everyone shared a single table. in 2012, farm table built a

community funded parklet, and in 2014, i was hired as a consultant by the american skefsh to conservetory theater. in 2018, i cofounded jolene's, located on the soma mission border. today, i'm also here as a representative of the leather lgbtq cultural district enforc enforced by board president bob

colfar. i am deeply invested in the preservation of soma's lgbtq culture to preserve, promote and protect small businesses in soma. >> chair ronen: thank you. next speaker. >> good morning. good morning again, supervisors. i apologize. i forgot to state my name. i'm allen sampson minello. i thank you for your time today. i work in your district, and i live in your district, so that's kind of cool. any ways, i -- i'm here today to speak as a current member -- or as a member of the soma stabilization fund. i served in the past -- the past 15 years, i served almost

ten of those years, and four of these years as the chair. i lived -- i've been living in san francisco for 30 years, and i -- 15 of those years have been working or living in the south of market area. i was the artistic and managing director of a performing arts center on sixth street for the filipino american community. i've also worked very closely with many of the soma community organizations as a voluntary supporter and community advocate including somcan, the oasis for girls, west bay, and of course the united players. i'm very proud of the work we have done as a c.a.c., and thank you, supervisor haney, for listing our accomplishments. that's going to give me a little bit more time to talk about what we see for the

future of the c.a.c. we're very excited to continue our work. there's still much more stabilization that needs to be done with many of the organizations in the south of market area. as you know, with the rampant development that's going on in soma, it's very crucial that the fund continues, and i am very excited -- i would like to continue my work with my colleagues on the c.a.c. reading the list of applicants coming in, it's even more exciting because we have some folks that are applying that have really strong integrity. i know that's my time, but i'd also like to speak on behalf of chris roam asmasanta. she had to leave for a meeting

with the san mateo housing authority. she is applying for seat four, which is the housing seat. she has served for -- on the soma c.a.c. for eight years. she lived in soma for eight years, also, and is familiar with the services and the nonprofit organizations. she has a background in urban planning and housing. she's worked for various cities and counties in the bay area, addressing the need for affordable housing. while at the c.a.c., chris worked with the staff and community organizations, along with the san francisco land trust to pilot our small sites on the natoma street. subsequently, this launched the city small site program. chris is excited to continue the work of stablizing low-income residents in the south of market area. thank you for your consideration, supervisors. >> good morning, supervisors.

i am here, applying for district six, seat seven. i think that i've been in san francisco for about 20 years and soma about ten. i think my connection to soma and the small business owners could add to the stabilization of the neighborhood. i think moving forward especially after a major purge happening now, we should potentially see some major growth and in moving forward, i would like to be an assess to the community as well as a valuable resource to the businesses and the community in the neighbors alike. i don't have a tremendous amount of spare time, but any free time that i could add and help with the community and the growth is certainly appreciated

on my side. i thank you for your time this morning. yea for veterans, and go task forces -- drug task forces, and thank you for your time. >> chair ronen: there's no more applicants here. we will now open this -- oh, raquel, come on up. >> good morning, supervisors -- still morning, right? my name's raquel redonidiez.

during the years when we foughtor the -- fought for the rebuilding of the elementary school and the park, i'm excited for the opportunity to help serve on this committee to prioritize funding for cultural preservation, community facilities, and the expenditure of fees for central soma. i'm also excited to serve with the other applicants, both those who have previously served as well as those who have put their names forward. it is a critical time for our community who's made our home here for over 100 years as we learn just how many community members we have lost in the last few years of hyperdevelopment and displacement in the neighborhood. we know we've lost half of our population since the last census. but we are a resilient community and we will fight to

continue to make the south of market a viable community for everyone. as with the rincon hill plan, this new phase of the stabilization fund must ensure that development fees from central soma are used to mitigate harm that will be caused by the luxury office and hotel developments and the great need for affordable housing. there must also be strong alignment with the stabilization fund and other soma advisory committees. i hope to serve on this committee, and lastly, i'd also like to contribute to having the c.a.c. play a larger role in weighing in with the board of supervisors and also mohcd to address -- to, you know, not

only on policies and strategies for community development but also to advise against initiatives that contribute to displacement and bring harm to the community. thank you. >> hello. my name is michelle olivas. i'm trying to say a lot really fast. so i am born and raised in san francisco. i have spent the last 20 years of my life in soma as a soma resident, and so my reasons for wanting to serve on this committee are both personal and professional. on the personal side of things, like, i've shared often my youngest daughter refuses to sleep in her bedroom because her windows open onto our alley, and she's traumatized by the fighting and the things she hears out on the street. in her 13 years, she has seen more dead bodies on her way to and from school than i did in

my entire k through college education, and i grew up in the mission when gang violence still had a way more significant impact than it does now, and that's unacceptable. there's a very different reality for folks who live in soma than those who come there during the day or have their businesses there. for me, it's important to have a resident voice on the committee. secondly, when the stabilization fund first started, we were squatting at the rec center and had about three or four staff program. we are now a 501-c-3, and we have a staff of 30. for me, it's important that we take full advantage of this opportunity. the stabilization fund that was

sunsetting was a great opportunity for folks to stablize their services. when we deal with folks and families daily, we need their c.b.o.s to be stable, so i'm ready to make sure that they are stable and not always in crisis because that ripple effect hurts our community just as much as the gentrification and the development does. thank you. >> chair ronen: now we will open this up for public comment. any member of the public who wishes to speak, please come on forward. come on up. you might be our only speaker, so come on up. >> take my time -- just kidding. hello. my name is paul barreira. i work with soma filipinas. i'd like to say that the soma

c.a.c. is a really important body, and i support everyone who's put their names forward. the body is a crucial place for soma projects and people to find their space for expression. i work closely with many of the applicants, including chris, allen, john elberling, raquel, kim -- let me make sure i don't leave anyone out -- caroline and misha, and even those that i don't know personally, i appreciate they're willing to serve in this capacity. i hope that the future of the soma c.a.c. can help address displacement pressures as well as enable the many facets of the filipino and working class communities in the soma, to continue to fluorish, so i hope that all of these applicants will find support from you. thank you. [inaudible] >> chair ronen: seeing none, public comment is closed.

supervisor haney? >> supervisor haney: thank you, and thank you to all of the applicants, and for the folks who are serving on the stabilization fund now, thank you. what i am going to do is we have -- so there's seven seats and there's also a number of alternate seats. what i'm going to do is make a motion to appoint five members, s and then, for the applicants that aren't being appointed today, your application will remain active, and i'd like to bring this back in march to make the final appointments. i'm motioning for john elberling to fill the seat of a senior resident of soma, mish a, raquel to represent an arts or cultural organization in soma, allen to fill the member seat who has expertise in

employment development, and adam to fill the small business seat. so for the other folks, we will continue to have your applications be active as we make the final decisions at the next meeting. >> chair ronen: okay. >> clerk: madam chair, just so you note, the specific qualifications are not assigned to a specific seat number pursuant to the vacancy notice, so the qualifications for this body is floating, and that information is appreciated, but we still need to assign to a specific seat number. >> chair ronen: okay. >> clerk: thank you the qualifications for all the seats are the same, so they must -- >> supervisor haney: so i just need to assign a number to them? >> clerk: yes. >> supervisor haney: okay. so -- all right. it doesn't really matter, does it? just in that order, john to

seat one, misha to seat two, raquel to seat three, and adam to seat five. >> chair ronen: without objection, that motion passes unanimously. [gavel]. >> chair ronen: mr. clerk, is there any other items before us today? >> clerk: there are no other items before us today. >> chair ronen: thank you. the meeting is adjourned. [gavel]

>> chairwoman: good morning, everyone, the meeting will come to order. welcome to the march 2, 2020, meeting of the rules committee. i'm supervisor hillary ronen, chair of the committee. seated to my right is captain stefanie, and we'll soon be joined by supervisor gordon marr. mar. mr. clerk, do you have any announcements? >> yes. please silence your cell phones and all electronic equipment. completed speaker cards and copies of any documents should be submitted to the clerk. items acted upon today will appear on the march

10 board of supervisors agenda unless otherwise stated. >> chairwoman: can you read item number one. >> item one is appointing two members to the commission on aging and advisory council. >> chairwoman: than thank you so much. i believe we're joined by juliette rothman. if juliette would like to come up and address the committee, thank you so much. if you just want to share with us your interest in the appointment. how are you? >> good. i'm here to seek reappointment to the advisory council, and just to tell you a little bit about myself. i worked in the direct practice of aging and disability for 25 years and have chaired ethics committees and hospice committees and all that kind of stuff. i got really concerned

about some of the ethical issues in health care, and went back and got a ph.d. in health care ethics. and taught at catholic move to franchise, taught at cal for 15 years in special welfare and public health, and in the si six-year joint medical program. and now i'm retired, and i'm really enjoying the shift from micro-practice, direct practice, to looking at things on a more macro level, after i taught macro, and now i'm getting to experience it. i'm serving on the aquatic park senior center's team lead, the neighborhood circle, and etc., etc. i really have been enjoying what i'm doing with the council.

and i would like to continue. >> chairwoman: thank you so much for your service. do you have any questions? >> no. i just want to thank you for your service, especially with regard to aquatic park senior center since that is in district 2. thank you so much. >> chairwoman: if we could hear from ms. graff. is that all we need from you? >> that's all. >> chairwoman: you're so impressive, we need no more information. >> good morning. thank you for listening to my petition here. i'm margaret graff and i'm a senior. this is specifically for reappointment to the advisory council to the commission for das. i am nominated by supervisor gordon mar.

and i have the honor to be nominated by two different supervisors since i was originally, first time around, a nominee of katie king. i've been -- my term expires on march 31. and i am seeking renomination because i think my work isn't done, or what i can contribute to the advisory council. presently on the advisory council, i serve on the executive committee because i am also the elected second vice president. i also serve on the legislative committee. what that specifically does is we review pending bills that are in the state legislature and follow them as they work their way through, or not, as the case may be. and as they work their way through, if we feel a

response is a good idea, we bring to the advisory council a suggestion of writing a letter of support. as far as my background is concerned, i'm a retired registered nurse, and i'm a retired attorney. so i have a medical and a legal background. >> chairwoman: can came first? >> the registered nurse. i was a registered nurse, and then i was a stay-at-home mom for 13 years, raising my three children. i've been a 56-year resident of district 4, so basically i was born in the midwest, and midwesterners tend to put down roots deep, so i did. >> chairwoman: can i ask you what inspired you to go to law school and get a law degree? i'm just curious. >> well, you're talking to an older woman here. i always wanted to be a

lawyer. but i grew up in a very small town in the midwest, and at that particular time, women didn't go off to become attorneys. we, at best, got to be teachers or nurses. and so that had to be put aside, which i did. and empty nest syndrome, where the children are beginning to get their wings a little and spread them, i thought, now or never. so i went to law school. >> chairwoman: well, speaking to two women attorneys, thank you for forging the bath for us. >> in my case, what glass ceiling? one of the things that inspired me to get so involved in the community, approximately seven years ago, my husband started to develop the symptoms of dementia and alzheimer's

disease. and i was scared to death. and i didn't know where to go or what to look for or where to get help. and in the process of finding my way through that maze, and finding that i didn't feel that -- there were so many agencies in san francisco, and it is so hard to evaluate what will help, but i felt i needed something locally, in my so about a year and a half ago, i went to katie king, and i said, i have an idea. i can't find what i want to meet the needs of a care-giver for a dementia patient, so i want to start something. and i started a group called "senior power." and if supervisor mar were here, he would readily tell you that i talk about it all of the time. no one is safe from my talking about senior power. but basically it is a

non-profit organization. it is community-driven, and the focus is on seniors, their families, and the care-givers. because of the nature of the district i come from, which is predominantly asian and pacific islander, i'm very proud to say that within this past year we now have offer translation services at our meetings. we meet monthly. we have guest speakers. we practice chi gong, and we have raffle prizes and light refreshments. it is a socialization, getting them out of the household. and that has led me to serve presently on three committees for supervisor mar. one for the elders. one for the safety -- street safety. and the other one for the

city college satellite that we were able to bring to district 4. and within that city college satellite program, what we now have is a class for older adults, which basically is t tai-chi. so round-about circle, one of the things we tried to do -- i'm probably going way over my minutes. one of the things that we need to do is all of these good services, to bring them to the outer districts, the to community, and serving on the advisory council, i have a firsthand seat at learning these. and i take it back. that's the whole point, frankly. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. >> thank you very much for listening. >> chairwoman: thank you. i will now open this item

up for public comment. if any member of the public wishes to speak of these two appointments, seeing none, public comment is closed. i just wanted to thank supervisors peskin and mar for appointing these extraordinary candidates for this advisory board. thank you so much for your willingness to do this work. it is crucially important. and captain stefanie has a few words. >> i want to echo your thanks to both supervisors for coming forth, both of you. i think this is such an important topic. i talk about seniors all of the time. i just actually returned home from mersed, where my dad was diagnosed with lewy body dementia two years ago, and he is declining rapidly. this weekend was the first weekend where he didn't

recognize me. and it is very difficult for care-givers, and watching a man who his library is full of the most difficult books one could ever wrapped their minds around, and now he is holding children's books, and watching this, someone just disappear, is extremely difficult. i want so badly to be able to figure out how we can help those suffering from dementia, and also how we can help the care-givers. so i really want to follow up with both of you, and to see if we can bring any of the programs you talked about to district 2, and how we can just support those that are care-giving, and those that are suffering. and if there is anything that we can do, i can't even begin to tell you what my family has been through with this diagnosis and just watching my dad disappear. thank you again for this extremely important work. i'm thrilled to be able to

support both nominations today. so with that, i need to put my glasses on. i would like to move forward with positive recommendation. the appointment of juliette rothman to seat 4 on the aging council, and margaret graff, to the full board without objection. >> chairwoman: without objection, that motion passes unanimously. thank you so much. [applause] >> chairwoman: mr. clerk, can you please read item number two. >> a hearing to consider appointing one member to the parks and recreation open space advisory commissioners. >> chairwoman: good morning. >> thank you for the opportunity to come in and

speak about this. my candidacy for the prozac committee. i have been a district 4 resident since 1986, so that is 34 years, and i married a district 4 native, with hi our two sons in district 4, who have now grown. and we have really relied on the open space and parks we have out there and throughout the city. the recreation centers, the west sunset, south sunset, we're very lucky to have these resources in our community, as well as the summer lakes, the kisar sports camp. that is to say i realize how important it is to have access to open space and parks for everybody, all ages and especially kids growing up in an urban environment. since 2016, i've been managing playland at

43rd avenue. it is a community resource that turned a vacant lot around the old francis scott key school into a community recreation area, that has skateboarding, gardens, art programs, yoga for all ages -- which i want to tell margaret about later. so that has been a really rewarding opportunity to see all of the different people in our neighborhood coming together in different ways and using this really active space that houses all these different things. however, playland will be closing at the end of this year because of the teacher housing that is coming in, which is a great thing. and we knew that from the start of playland, even as the community was building and managing the space. supportive of the teacher housing, it is something we really need in san francisco. but it points to the other need of recreation and open space that we will now be losing.

what is going to happen to those activities and where will the people go? i know i've been talking with supervisor mar, and i know he is looking at alternatives and what can we do? where can we find other spaces, other types of spots for these kinds of activities? and that's something i'm really looking forward to having the opportunity to support him on, as a member of this committee. there are other things going on in district 4, like the sunset boulevard master plan where we might be able to combine some play or some gardening or maybe a little skate park. there is possibly vacant storefronts, church properties that gordon has been working on transitioning. i think it is opportunities and being creative and thinking of recreation and open spaces and environment in maybe different ways, and maybe

alternative types of spaces than we're used to seeing in terms of rec and park. so if i have the opportunity to serve on this committee, i hope to make sure there are these kinds of spaces for our district 4 residents, but also throughout all of the districts. districts in san francisco. and at the same time, supporting our city's sustainable green infrastructure. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you for all of your service. i appreciate it. >> no questions for me? [laughter] >> chairwoman: i'm opening this item up for public comment. is there any member of the public comment that wishes to speak. seeing none, public comment is closed. again, supervisor mar made an excellent appointment. thank you so much fo for your extraordinary work. thank goodness we have such amazing people in san francisco willing to invest in their community.

and all women. >> women's history month. >> chairwoman: do you want to do the honors again? >> i would like to move forward the appointment of susan ryan to seat 3 on the park and recreations open spaces. >> chairwoman: that without objection, that passes. >> i would like to note that supervisor mar was absent for that vote. >> chairwoman: can you please read item number three. >> item number three is a hearing to appointing one member, ending march 31, 2022, to the pedestrian safety advisory committee. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. is ms. marta here? thank you so much. good morning. >> my name is marta lyndsay, and an education instructor at walk san francisco, and i've been there about two years. and i have enthusiastic support from the organization to be the

person to represent the pedestrian safety advisory committee. and i am a long-time san francisco resident. i have two young children. and i walk for almost all of my trips everywhere, and i feel these issues very personally, and i'm extremely committed and excited to get on the committee at this time. i've attended several meetings. we need to kind of get the committee sorted out on some fronts. and really harness the energy of the group for being another voice for pedestrians. so i think that's all i have to say. >> chairwoman: i'm just wondering, given what a horrible start to the year we've had with pedestrian fatalities and injuries, just your thoughts on how the group is doing and what additional resources,

if any, you need. >> yeah. thank you. i would like to report back on that after getting to participate in the meetings actively. but i think there is one thing,, onthing -- one thing wed is more members. there are several vacancies, and it is making it hard to have a quorum for voting. we're reaching out to senior and disability groups to fill the two empty seats right now that need to have folks representing senior disability groups. and there are a couple of other districts, i think, that i can't name right now. so that's going to be important. i think we have some great folks on there that are ready to get organized as a group and be a stronger voice, which we need right now. we need every voice possible. so, yeah. thanks. >> chairwoman: opening up this item for public

comment. any member of the public wish to speak, or from city departments? >> good morning, madam chair. elo ramos speaking on my own personal time. i want to take the opportunity this morning to support ms. lindsey's appointment. i've had the privilege of knowing marta forgoing on 14 years now. i've had the privilege of working with her in the past, when she was an advocate with myself, working for a safer, more inclusive and more functional, sustainable streets. she is a fierce advocate. she will hold us accountable. i knew her the whole time i was on the board of directors for the m.t.a., and just being her co-worker did not mean anything to her when it came to pulling me into conversations around doing better to get to our vision zero target more quickly. she has an extraordinary love for this city. she is deeply committed to the safety, and not just for her children, but for everyone.

and she brings this incredible, talented lens that speaks to communications and inclusiveness, and just a wonderful vision for vision zero. so i'm confident knowing the two of you, and your values, from a safety and security perspective, you'll very proud to make her appointment. >> chairwoman: any other public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. [gavel] >> chairwoman: go ahead. >> okay. great. well, i'm thrilled to be able to put forward with positive recommendation to the full board marta lindsey for seat 1 on the pedestrian safety advisory committee. >> chairwoman: without objection, that motion passes unanimously. >> and i would like to note that supervisor mar was ab sen absent for the vote. >> chairwoman: can you please read item number four. >> item four is a motion

for the board of supervisors' rules of order to set the process for the administration of oath for individuals testifying before the board, and to authorize the government audit and oversight committee to issue orders and issue subpoenas. >> chairwoman: thank you. and we're joined by supervisor peskin. do you have any remarks, supervisor peskin? >> thank you, chair ronen, supervisor stefanie. before you are the amendments that were proposed in committee last week, that you verbally suggested the city attorney, in consultation with the clerk of the board, insert into the language that is before you today. i know that the clerk of the board, ms. calvio, is here if you have any questions for her. i'd like to thank her and

deputy city attorney pearson for their work on this. i would like to, subject to public comment, duplicate the file and remove, in section 6.7.1, in a file to be forwarded to the full board, the language with regard to the administration of oath to a department head, and leave that in committee so that if there is any desire by the m.e.a. to meet and confer on that, we can do so. and send this item, with the amendment removing that, to the full board with recommendation, if this committee sees fit. >> chairwoman: and to the city attorney, have we

reached out to the m.e.a.? >> yes. this draft has been sent to the m.e.a. >> chairwoman: and when was that done? >> that was done at the end of last week. i believe it was on thursday. >> chairwoman: and have we heard back? >> i have not. >> chairwoman: and have we been in touch with d.h. r.? >> it was sent to d.h. r-- to m.e e.a.through d.h.r.. i don't know if they've determined there is a need for it, so we sent it to them. and it is up to them to decide if there is a need for meet and confer. >> chairwoman: why hasn't that happened before today? >> i don't know. it is a decision to be made by d.h.r. i don't know. >> so the legislation, without that language, was introduced and approved, and d.h.r. had

no comment two years ago. so the only thing that changed is this language, which i think spurred the city attorney to send it to d.h.r. i think we have some options, one is we can send it to the full board with this language, and if there is a desire for meet and confer, we could remove that language at the full board. that would be another option. >> chairwoman: yeah. i mean, this other language is important to me, given what we're facing. and it doesn't seem like there was the urgency to reach out to d.h.r., to ex them for their conclusion. it doesn't take two weeks to determine if the legislation is subject to meet and confer. >> i think a week has gone by. i like the language. i would like to keep the language. but i think perhaps,

rather than duplicating file -- or we could duplicate the file, and keep one here, and send the exact same file to the full board. and if the full board needs to remove that clause in section 6.7.1, we could to so next week. >> chairwoman: okay. i'm just expressing my disappointment to d.h.r., i don't know why it would take an entire week to decide if this is subject to meet and confer. it is a simple analysis and decision. so i don't know why that didn't happen, and i'm frustrated, so i just want to communicate that. having said that, are there any other questions or comments before opening this item up to public comment? no? >> i do want to thank you for approving item number one. >> chairwoman: yes. what an excellent candidate. is there any member of the public who wishes to speak. seeing none, public

comment is closed. so i will make the motion -- i guess any supervisor -- it doesn't have to be a committee member -- can duplicate the file? or does it have to be a committee member that duplicates the file? >> i believe a member of the committee to request a duplicate. >> chairwoman: motion to duplicate the file and to send -- and we already accepted the amendments last week, so we don't need to do that again -- to send the item as amended with recommendation. >> yes. just to clarify, you have duplicated the file. the version of the file that will be referred to the board of supervisor with recommendation will not have the information regarding -- >> chairwoman: no. no. no. we're duplicating the file so that they're identical. >> yes. >> chairwoman: we're sending one version to the board of supervisors, and we're keeping one version in committee, but they're identical. >> oh, yes. just to note that if

they are identical, one of them -- there are some rules regarding identical files. but we can discuss that at a later time. >> chairwoman: okay. we have both the clerk of the board and the city attorney here, so i'm wondering if we want to talk about those rules? no? >> if they -- >> chairwoman: okay. great. one more time, i'll just repeat: we're going to duplicate the files so we have two identical versions. one is going to stay in committee, and one is moving to a full board. my motion is to send the duplicated file to the full board with positive recommendation. >> yes. >> chairwoman: can we take that without objection? without objection, that motion passes unanimously. payers than >> thank you, madam chair and colleagues. >> chairwoman: mr. clerk, can you please read item number five. >

[item five read] >> chairwoman: good morning, mr. agustine, how are you? >> david augustin augustine her. we're here to talk about the exciting world of unsecured personal property taxes. things like business fixtures and things of that note, and equipment. we have an ordinance for the first time that we're approaching the board to consider. i would like to spend a couple of minutes to talk about why we're coming to the board because this is something we have not done, at least in my 15year years in office. it will allow the patroller to collect personal property debt on an ongoing basis. i want to make sure this

legislation does not allow for cancellation of any secured security taxes, i.e., secured by land or ones difficult to collect. this ordinance would allow only for cancellation of unsecured personal property debt. all bills that could be canceled, we would only cancel them if they're literally uncolleccollectible. there are three categories only. first, any amounts over 30 years old. second, any amounts that have been discharged after bankruptcy, again, we would be legally barred from collecting these accounts. and, third, any lean that has failed to have been filed or renewed. as a side note, before 2015, we had a manual lien removal process, essentially within three years of the debt being valid, to go and record with the recorder's

office, and we could renew it up to two different times. we now have an automated process where liens are automatically renewed, and we don't have to have people walking across city hall to record a document. so that would be the third category. it is a relatively small category. so why now? why are we asking now for this power? the office of the treasurer and controller are migrating to a new tax operation. and wcancellation of these accounts will allow us to transport tens of thousands of accounts. again, some of these obligations go back 50 years. we're proud, we have a

high collection rate for unsecured personal property tax collection, about 95%. every year we collect about $170 million annually in unsecured personal property taxes from about 80,000 different taxpayers. our systems have all been overhauled and allowed for automated contact and imposition of liens. canceling uncollectible debt is a practice other counties engage in. in addition, i did a quick survey of our colleagues in our california tax collector group and found out that hum belt, spanish law, and del nor have all canceled debt recently. what we're talking about is the accounts that have about $20 million, and with interest, it is about $100 million. and the reason the interest is so high because sometimes the accounts go back to about 50 years, and numbers about 35,000

accounts. by far, the greatest challenge to those accounts represent bills that are over 30 years old, and the other challenge is bankruptcy or failure to renew a lien. with that, i would be happy to take any questions or discuss this in more detail. >> chairwoman: sure, does this authority currently rest with the board of supervisors? >> that's right, it does. >> chairwoman: out of curiosity, what ask to delegate this authority? >> great question. we proposed taking it out of the board's hands because we wouldn't be exercising, en m, in my view, any judgment. if we were choosing judgments that were difficult to collect, maybe there was a debtor that moved out of the country, i feel like that is of province of the board to cancel. these accounts we are legally unable to collect, so i thought we

would take time off if we took ought off the board. we could come back to the board if it was not falling into any of the three buckets i articulated earlier. we want to make sure we use the power judicially and appropriately. it is not our business to cancel accounts to begin with. it is my job to collect these taxes, and so that's certainly what we look forward to doing. >> chairwoman: why the controller and not the treasurer directly? is that because you want an outside party making the judgment call -- >> that is the state revenue and taxation code requirement that allows this to happen upon the state controller, usually the responsible power. it is a separation of powers issue, which we think is extremely appropriate. we would make a recommendation, and the controller would accept

it or not accept it and we would go forward from there. >> chairwoman: thank you. is there any public comment on this item? see none, public comment is closed. it makes a whole lot of sense to me. it looks like my colleagues agree. so we would like to move this forward with a positive recommendation, and without objection that motion passes unanimously. mr. clerk, is there any other items? >> that completes the agenda for today. >> chairwoman: and the meeting is adjourned thank you.

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