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supervisors, our support of this to get rid of the pattern blackiblac blocking people of color and to create affordable housing is really needed. i think this is another step in san francisco to do good and correcting the wrongs in the past and reversing racist policies. much love on that. thank you once again and i yield my time to anyone else who wants to take it. bye. >> thank you, can we have the next caller please? >> hi, i am calling in support of social housing in san francisco. i live in district two of san francisco and i work in the selma area in san francisco as well. i personally feel, on a personal level, i feel great importance of this ordinance because i'm a
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volunteer at san francisco's suicide prevention and i see callers call in regularly about the distress they're going through because of the inability to afford housing or living on the street because they're homeless and also on a personal level because my mom, my mother is a recipient of low income housing in washington state. without this ability for her to qualify or not having a place for her to stay, i don't know how i personally would be able to help or support her as i'm the only family she has here in the country. i think about it as racist, it is not okay and it's inhumane. there is no excuse for us not to provide options for everybody and the solutions should not be if you don't like it, go somewhere else. thank you so much for your support and that is all. thank you. >> thank you. can we have the next speaker?
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>> hi, this is munoz, calling from district five. i want to thank supervisor preston for introducing this ballot proposition. i am in strong support of municipal social housing here in san francisco. i want to point out the cities that supervisor preston mentioned modeled around the world, vienna, singapore, barcelona has a density that we don't see in neighborhoods of san francisco. did you know that san francisco among other large american cities was a victim of red lining, which is a racist policy that essentially did not allow black and brown folks from acquiring housing in exclusionary whiter, higher income neighborhoods. red lining still shines today. so i love for the board to add
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the next step, look into 100% affordable housing overlay for the entire city, including single family home zones. a lot of our rapid transit in san francisco is adjacent to single family and duplex buildings, which unfortunately doesn't work for public housing. as we seen, public housing does require a level of density to allow enough space for everybody to live comfortably in a city like san francisco. so again, i am in strong support and i can't wait to see article xxxiv repealed because it's incredibly racist. we have to couple this social housing plan with the space to plan for the housing and it has to exist all over san francisco, not just in waste dumps like we saw in the bay view plan where the land there was radioactively
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poisoned and we're building tons of housing there and avoiding places like glenn park. it's important that we look -- >> thank you, speaker time as elapsed. can we have the next speaker please? >> hi, good morning supervisors. my name is tessa. i live in district five and work in district six. i lived here for 23 years. i'm a doctor and therapist. i'm particularly aware of how much of an impact this has had on black and brown people in our community. i'm a member of san francisco burning crest. this ordinance will overcome a racist barrier to municipally owned social housing with the support of segregationists which allow municipalities to exclude
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low income tenants and people of color, including black tenants. san francisco will lay the ground work for a pilot municipal housing program that will address our homeless crisis and serve the needs of the city's working and middle classes from -- i think it's important that we have different classes and races here within the city otherwise we will all suffer. i want to live in an inclusive city. we need a diversity of class and race. please recommend this ordinance to the full board so we can move towards guaranteeing affordable housing for all. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. i will note that members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call 415-655-0001. the meeting id is 146, 308,
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2077. then press pound and pound again. if you have been already done so, press star three to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you can begin your comment. we currently have 12 people in line to speak at this time. can we have the next caller? >> good morning supervisors, my name is angie. i live in san francisco in district two and i'm a middle school science teacher. i'm calling in support of the proposed ordinance to authorize the city to create social housing. it's been wonderful to hear so much support from the supervisors and so many other callers today. most of what i had wanted to say has already been said. i will add a couple of things. we see in schools the negative impact of unstable housing in the city and you know, a lot has been said about homelessness,
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gentrification displacement. with this ordinance we can overcome our relic of the red lining era and end the displacement of people of color from san francisco and in terms of the environment, you know, we're facing not only a housing crisis but an environmental crisis. the board passed the requirement of municipal construction be all electric. this would include all housing built through this program, the pilot program will focus initially on the acquisition of buildings, which is more environmentally friendly than construction and much faster by adding new housing, as well as providing displacement. this will help reduce commute times and prevent greenhouse gas emissions. by approving this ordinance, the board will show leadership and adjust the roots of our housing crisis and pave the way for affordable municipal housing
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programs. please recommend this ordinance to the full board of supervisors and thank you for your support. >> thank you, can we have the next speaker? >>. >> good morning chair ronen and supervisors. i want to thank supervisor preston and all the cosponsors for your support of the motion ordering an ordinance be submitted to the voters on november 3rd authorizing the city and county to rehabilitate up to 10,000 affordable rental units in the city under article xxxiv of the california constitution. voter approval of this companion ballot measure is essential to clearing the way currently blocked by arbitrary law at the state level, to grant our city
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the authority to provide desperately municipal housing. i echo the words of several public commenters today. it's about time. it's about time to create equity in our housing policy. thank you. >> thank you.
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>> this resulted in what we have now and the policies of the social security administration was that people must be housed and if they couldn't get the housing on their own, we had to get payees to get them housing.
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we didn't get out to expect them to find it. housing was a human right like water and we didn't have to discuss it then and the fact is that right now, the sites are being approved by the city for condos rapidly. a couple years ago, the housing, david baker, were already to build on a site that is now condos and i had a couple ad hoc meetings and that's what they wanted to see there and i'm certainly hoping this will happen. the bad conditions of public housing, it wasn't like that in buffalo when i worked there. that was the result of complete neglect. >> speaker time has elapsed. thank you. can we have the next speaker, please.
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>> speaker: i'm with the coalition of slashing the san francisco police department budget and i would like to implore the board to not only -- >> excuse me. i would like to note -- i will pause your time at this moment. i would like to note that we're discussing item number 2 on the agenda which is authorizing the development of up to ten thousand units. >> i understand. >> we're not discussing the police department item under this matter. so i will restart your time. if you would like to make comments on item number 2, please. please proceed. >> speaker: i'll call back, thank you. >> thank you, the next speaker, please.
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>> speaker: good morning, supervisors and thank you, thank you, thank you for this breath-taking ordinance which i hope flies through the process. my name is evi posmentre, i counsel for the housing right's committee and i am a member of faith in action and it's truly great to be sanfranciscans today. at last, we are make a one and first bold step towards achieving racial equity. i'm very concerned, also, as a senior and a person with a disability, i'm concerned and hopeful that our seniors will remain in dignified and safe
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housing which i think this ordinance will provide. thank you, thank you again. >> thank you. can we have the next caller, please. >> speaker: hello. >> hi, please proceed. >> speaker: i'm kathy livkcom and i'm a maternal of district 8. i'member of district 8.this is , article 34, ballot measure to the transfer tax. and in preparing for my remarks, i looked at the board of supervisor's budget and legislative analysis office report that was issued last year
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and it spells things out clearly and i quote, we need to plan for an additional 9300 affordable housing units, three times the number of approved units in the city's pipeline, to keep up with the rise of low-wage jobs expected over the next six years, end quote. and so, apparently, for every high-wage job, there's an 18-to 20-hour position doing security work for office buildings, cleaning homes and driving uber. and so we know very well who is forced to sleep in their cars or drive 60 miles from anti-oc everyday to get to work because they cannot find a place to live in san francisco. such a situation is morally out of whack and unsustainable. let's change that and start on the path to social housing.
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we can make history this way and i would like to thank all of the supervisors who are presently in support and i hope that every single one of them joins in this effort to win this in november. thank you for listening. >> thank you. i would like to state if you have not spoken yet, please star 3 to be added to the queue and for those on hold, wait until the system is un-muted. we currently have six people in line to speak. may we have the next speaker. >> speaker: hi, i'm asher. good morning, everyone. i live and work in san francisco, district 7 and i go to school at city college in san francisco. i'm calling in support of the proposed ordinance to authorize the city to create social housing and i don't need to tell you right now we have had an affordable housing crisis for decades that disproportionate
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impacts folks who are, you know, not white, not upper class or middle class and that's going to get even worse with the pandemic and recession incoming. being a student at city college, i've seen the best and brightest of my generation, to deal wit hurdles caused by the history of san francisco's racist red-lining and not only that, it's time, like, with this history, that the city ha has wh the progressive policy to implement this solution to work towards gaining sole access to necessary needs and proximity to education and healthcare, public transit and groceries and so, i just want to say thank you for the support and san francisco
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has an opportunity to become a leader with the municipal housing programs in america that will address our housing crisis and serve the needs people working in mid-class. thank you very much. >> thank you, can we have the next caller. >> speaker: i'm mark and i live in san francisco and i would like to give you some rhetorical points to consider because i understand you're all in support of this. but we've been looking at this horrendous housing crisis situation here for pretty much forever here in san francisco. so here is what you have to understand. there are approximately 100
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billionaires walking around the streets of san francisco. and, yet, this city is degrading to the point where it's becoming unlivable for most people. san francisco was once known as a city of the golden gate bridge and trolley cars and all that stuff. well, guess what? if you go around the world and you talk to anyone and say, you're from san francisco, guess what the first thing is out of their mouth? what the hell is up with all of those homeless people on the street? and you know why they're saying that? because that's all they see. entire swaths of this city have been taken over by encantmen of homeless people. it is sick. it is un-humane an inhumane, exe ones at the top and even they're complaining, because they have to move their offices to other cities and everyone has to leave. this is a crisis. i don't care that you're in support of it.
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nothing has happened. time should be running around like your hair is on fire. we have a crisis and this is city is known globally as the laughing stock. it is the laughing stock of the world, the city in which you have ultra rich, the richest in the world, in a growing mass of homeless people shooting up on the street, clearly dealing drugs and clearly suffering from mental illness, in a scale unheard of world-wide. ladies and gentlemen, you have the laughing stock of the world, the laughing stock of the world. do i think you should do something about it? hell, yeah! >> thank you. the next speaker, please. >> speaker: hi there, everybody. i'm otto, i'm the resident of district 10 and thank you for listening to all of us speaking and i just wanted to briefly add my support to agenda item number
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2. i'm sure everybody listening to this chat knows better than i do that the current model of mixed housing is just by no means going to solve what we have happening and i think we're building 1.5 times the market rate housing that we need and less than a fifth of the affordable housing we need. and yeah, i believe very firmly that socialized housing is the only meaningful solution. i look around the city and the only communities of working-class people, of african-americans and immigrants that i see that have the facility are the cooperative housing that we already have, although not created by the city, like over in japan town. so, i don't want to speak too much, but i want to think everybody for putting this together and putting forth my extreme support and i hope everyone will do the same. thank you. >> thank you, next caller,
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please. hi, may we have the next speaker? >> speaker: can you hear me? >> yes, we can. please proceed. >> speaker: good morning. i live in the san francisco district 6 and i work for sunnyville community services emergency nonprofit emergency food and financial assistance during this crisis. i know that all of you are in support of bringing this ordinance to the full board but i'm calling to add my name to the board to create social housing and doing something to make housing a human right. my only complaint is that the proposed number is so much smaller than what we've been hearing is the perspective number. working in sunnyville, the small
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municipality knows what is going on in a larger scale. despite the moratorium on evictions, i know low-income and immigrant families are strong-armed in illicit removals. this is stacked against low-income families, fully exacerbated by the pandemic. it shouldn't be up to private nonprofits to dole out nonfinancial aid. we need a real solution that makes sure everybody has the housing they need and not worrying about spending more than half of their income on having a roof over their head. this wilthis was passed in 1950h the support of segregationists to allow municipalities to exclude low-income tenants and people of colo, particularly black tenants. the board will show leadership in addressing the housing crisis and pave the way for permanently affordable municipal housing.
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>> thank you. toucan we have the next caller. >> speaker: can you hear me? >> yes, we can. please proceed. >> speaker: thank you so much. i'm zach collinde resource. r. i live in san francisco in the tenderloin and i'm calling in support to authorize the city to create social housing. we have had an affordable housingrise for decades and this is threatening many with eviction and homelessness. in the tenderloin and across our city, we are not meeting the most fundamental need for secure and stable housing and we are specifically failing our black and brown neighbors and low-income tenants. we need a com par compassionate equitable solution. this can address our
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hopelessneshomelessness and secs and we need to meet the city towards policies of antiracism. we know when using the more more comprehensive accountant, there are many on the streets -- ( indiscernible). >> black people are in 6% of the general population of the city and we know that three-quarters had housing in san francisco before becoming homeless and jo. lastly, this is very aligned with the housing first approach granting stability and the basic need of a home before anything else. and we've been doing trickle-down economics and it has not worked. we need to build from the bottom up and build specifically for communities who have been marginalized and excluded.
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the board will show leadership with the housing crisis and pave the way for a municipal housing program. please recommend this to the full board of superiors. thank you. >> thank you can we hear from the next speaker. >> speaker: hi. i'm nisha and i'm just a tenant here in d7 and i wanted to express my support for the silent measure. some of thi have the privilege g married to an immigrant an who s educated me and i think san francisco wants think of itself as a global city, as we should, we need to consider how un-normal this is. this is pretty much standard in
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most of the world and i believe it should not be considered left wing and right-wing thing. so thank you for allowing me to comment and i yield the rest of my time. >> thank you. can we have the next caller, please. mr. speaker good morning, soup supervisors. i live in district 6 and work in district 9, actually, opposite. i live in district 9 and work in district 6 and i'm a member of the bay area and i'm calling in support of the proposed ordinance to authorize the city to create social housing. we need to stop this crisis by providing housing that people can actually afford so that we don't continue to put more folks out on the street, especially black and brown community members and lgbtq members who are the most harmed by the
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housing crisis. i see it everyday working in the mission and tenderloin. we need to provide housing first to folks on the streets and for this ordinance, the coalition on homelessness have enforced this. please recommend this in the hopes they pass it and sf can be the leader it should be on affordable housing. thank you. i yield my time. >> thank you. i would like to note if you have not already done so, presence star press star 3to be added to. we currently have five people in line waiting to speak and may we have the next speaker, please.
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>> speaker: hello. i'm a resident of d9 and i strongly support this ordinance to authorize ten thousand units of housing. i think we know article 34 is terrible and i hope it gets repealed soon but we can't wait. this is anni an affordable crisd this would absolutely help people from becoming homeless. the coalition on homelessness and civil act, looking forward to voting on this measure and seeing san francisco lead the country in providing real solutions instead of leading the country in gentrification. please recommend this to the full board to move for affordable housing for everyone. thank you. >> thank you, can we have the next speaker, please. >> speaker: can you happy me? >> yes, we can. please proceed.
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>> speaker: great. i'm josh, i'm a resident of d1 in san francisco and i'm calling to urge full support of this measure and i think it's obvious the city needs to authorize social housing and combat what has been designed to harm low-income people and people of color. i want to thank you for considering this and to work on moving forward with this ordinance and i highly, highly encourage recommending this to the full board and making sure that all of us can afford to live in the city. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> speaker: i'm peter and i live in district 5. in order to expand our housing stock and get people off the streets, we need to build social
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housing. in order to do that, under california's racist 34, ew we nd a ballot initiative. at long last, the city would have a real alternative to homelessness. we have needed this for years and it is long passed time to make this happen. we need to get rid of article 34 and we need to pass this 34 authorization asap. please recommend this to the full board. thank you. >> thank you. can we have the next speaker? >> speaker: mada >> madam chair, that completes the queue.
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madam chair, public comment has ended at this time. >> so sorry. thank you so much. if there's no closing comments from supervisor preston, i would like to make a motion to send this item forward with a positive recommendation. >> yes, op, on the motion to recommend this to the full board, supervisors -- (role call). >> this matter has been recommended to the full board.
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>> thank you, can you please read item number 3. >> the ordinance amending the administrative code to introduce standards and goals for food purchasing by the department of public health and sheriff's department in hospitals and jails. >> and we have supervisor fewer here with us and if you would like to kick us off. supervisor fewer, are you here? >> her screen may have frozen. let's give her a moment.
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chair ronen, looks like she logged off quickly and looks like she'll come back in a few minutes. if you would like to continue first. >> sure. do any of my colleagues have any remarks on this? otherwise maybe we could hear public comment first and then we'll hear from supervisor fewer when she returns. h. >> can you hear me now? >> can internet get overworked? my apologies. >> we've all had it happen to us. no worries. >> colleagues, please let me know if my internet goes out again. thank you, chair ronen for
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hearing this in your committee. i'm thrilled to bring this to committee almost after three years of work, to adopt a good food purchasing policy for san francisco hospital and jails. this is a model developed in 2012012 to procure food through driven standards and these standards have been adopted by institutions in los angelos, chicago, oklahoma, seattle, austin and i brought it to our own san francisco unified school district. with more jurisdictions in the exploration process. the good food purchasing program works to establish a supply change transparency from farms to fork, evaluate how current purchasing practises align with a set of standards, assist with goal-setting, measures progress and celebrates institutional sucker cesses in shifting toward a value-based purchasing motto,
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good food purchasing policies and whether food procurement funds are spent on vendors that share our values for a valued workforce low economies and local sustainability and animal welfare and nutrition. after three years of coordination, meetings and hearings and both sheriff's department and the department of public health has undergone impressive of comprehensive baseline assessment to analyze our current food vendors and practises, we are already to announce the adoption of the good food purchasing policy as a setting of goals in the next two years to transform the way our jails and hospitals purchase food. thank you to kate and elva from the department of public health and sheriff miamota.
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indie(indiscernible). >> culture shifts take time particularly for ederly. i want to clarify that the goals in this legislation are the minimum commitment and made in consideration of feasibility and recognition of this at the critical but new strategic tradition for food procurement in a comprehensive suite of food suchs, priorities that the san francisco department will be pursuing over the coming years. there's opportunity for the agencies to go above and beyond the goals set to achieve the higher levels in the program and regular opportunities for advocates to weigh this on the progress on this ordinance. in other words, this is just the start. the city as leadership in adopting this creating a pathway to engage non-city entities in setting targets than the handful of city agencies can have individually with their
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relatively small overall purchases. i do have to clarify that my staff should have sent to all commity memberallcommittee membe are non-substantive, clarifyin g five lines one and two and clarifying the language of antibiotics on line five, 7 through 10 and lines 7, lines 3-4 and clarifyin clarifying pld foods and changes in words to and from on page 6, line 19. with that, the with the permission of the chair, i wanted to introduce our speakers today. we have colleen mckinny and from lieutenant john caramuchi and
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kate marimen and elvis labaradae frolabaradae. thank you for your patience and allowing us to finally pass this ordinance out of committee. >> can we have hear from our first guest speaker? >> colleen mckinny. thank you. >> hi. i'm going to share my screen. i have a brief presentation with background to run through. one moment. confirming you can see my deck now. >> yes. now. >> great. thank you all for use leadership on this important topic. as supervisor fewer said, i'm colleen mckinny, the director of engagement for good food
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purchasing and we're an organization that houses the food purchasing program. we're here in a time when the pandemic exposed inequities and vulnerabilities in our food system. the workers who grow, process, transport and sell food do not have adequate pay under normal circumstances, much less in a global crisis. farmers and small businesses, especially owned by black indigenous and people of color have precarious livelihood. access is in jeopardy. our public institutions don't have the resources and support to safely and fully address the
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needs of the populations they serve. the pandemic has allowed us to see them more clearly and paint the picture of urgent trans formation. the adopt of this policy would be a leading statement within the region and nationally, the calls for building something new on what we've learned, that accelerates a just, healthy and sustainable food system. san francisco will lead in a number of other influential cities across the country and currently, the purchasing program is in 53 institutions, in 20 cities noons over $1 billion in food nation-wide.
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many of the agencies on this slide share key city and community support or goals around address the climate crisis and carbon footprint reduction. work has demonstrated in a school food service setting ways in which the menu resign can contribute to carbon reduction strategy and we look forward to continuing to explore ways to bring all of these agencies in the bay area together to align goals, share strategies around meat reduction and accelerate the impact of this important work along with other values of the program. many of the community supporters who have been long-standing advocates for this work are represented on the slide, as well. we're also fortunate to work with a wide array of partners offering successful implementation of valued-based procurement and in particular, i would like to highlight the healthcare without harm is the leading resource specifically for the hospital sector and convened an active network of 50
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plus hospitals in the greater bay area and sacramento. through this network, it has worked with the san francisco general hospital on an individual basis to identify many resign options in support of meat adoption and sustainable meat options and all hospitals share a goal of meat reduction. we're pleased to deepen the support of the city. we've been proud to be in the partnership with the hospitals and sheriff's department over the course of the last several years and you can see from this slide since the last hearing, both have undergone baseline assessment and participated in action planning and strategy setting. thithis is progress toward an achievement of the goals set out by the agencies along the five
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values in the proposed ordinance. what does the baseline assessment process show? it measures food procurement purchases and practises along a few different dimensions used to set targets for improvement in each. one, how much good food is purchased as a proportion of the overall budget and two, within each value, which purchases are strongly aligned with that value and three, the other policies and programs the department is undertaking, the support can not be measured quantitatively through the purchasing records, like they're own internal workforce practises. this is meant to be a snapshot prior to participation in the programme and a tool to guide decision-making. compliance is not expected in the baseline year. baseline year. this shows a few of the findings of the baseline process that we underwent over the last couple of years with the three agencies
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involved and so we analyzed 7.$5 million in food purchases across the three agencies and, for example, san francisco general hospital, l laguna hospital hospital and sheriff's department. this is typical of baseline assessment results with a higher percentage of food sourced locally, of aggregate of 7% and some producers with fair labo practises and and aggregate of 5% and environmentally sustainable and high animal welfare, both under 2%. one key metr immigratioic is ths whole and meaning that about 44% of the food purchases are highly processed. and the aim was providing the baseline snapshot to guide individual and collective goal setting. highla year from now, we would e
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to see this in line with the targets in the ordinance. having the baseline information to guide decision-making is just the start of a challenging but aspirational and exciting journey to put the findings into action. and i should note that we weren't able to complete a water footprint but moving forward, we will get the nervous to completo complete this analysis, recognising this is an important goal of the city and community supporters. from here, the departments move into the implementation stage to start measuring progress toward the goals they've set and the assessment process would repeat annually to show improvements and continue informing whether more ambitious targets are possible. to support this process, the center for purchasing, working in collaboration with our local and national partners to leverage expertise will offer resources to support the
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departments including regular one-on-one technical assistance support, training and templates, including for business and solicitations, access to an online platform of purchases that score in our program and regional and intentional networks of operators pursuing several goal for peer learning. we're honored to work with the city of san francisco and appreciate the leadership of this board and the departments involved in this work to ensure the food purchased to help build a food system that is resilient and contributes to the community of health and wealth and we're excited to pursue this with you. thank you for your time and i'll be happy to take any questions you may have. >> supervisor fewer, did you want me to facilitate or did you want to? you're on mute.
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>> yes, could we have the next speaker, please. lieutenant john caramuchi. thank you, chair. >> good morning, supervisors. i would just like to say we have very excited to be participating with this and did complete the baseline assessment and we continue to work with the mayor -- indiscernibl (indie (indiscernible). >> we're having a hard time hearing you. can you speak a little clearer or is there a microphone you can use that's a little clearer?
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thank you. >> so th(indiscernible). >> we're on board. sorry about the microphone. >> do you have anything to add?
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>> our next speakers, please. >> i would suggest that you turn off your tv or radio. we are getting the echo in the background. >> this is michael. katie is on vacation this week, so i'm stepping in for katie this week. >> ok. we've been doing programs here for two years at zucker berg an. one the biggest challenges we face is educating some of our vendors in terms of how to meet
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the gfpp third-party certifications and that's probably been the biggest challenges. some of the things around animal welfare and no antibiotics ever, those things have been challenging because a lot of times what we found is a lot of the vendors, they self-certify, meaning they may use the credential from the usda to self-certify and those certifications don't necessarily align with certifications from gfff. so that's been somewhat of a challenge. over the weekend, we picked up another vendor called daylight foods forcing nae products for us, which is also very exciting. and so, as we look at the gsfp program as a whole, we've done small things to move the program forward.
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there's a machine in the cafe allowing us to save 70,000 water bottles out of landfills and moving to paper straws was very helpful and we're also have a local produce called bay city produce. i think the previous years that we spent $60,000 in produce locally. there were three tiers, l1, 2 and 3. l3, 250 miles and l1 being within 150 miles. what we've learned some of these things happen organically, but focusing in california has really been helpful and we've spent about $300,000 last year in produce and that went from 60,000 to 300,000 and we're also exploring the opportunity to do
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hyperlocal and that's 50 to 75 miles to the hospital. there's a lot of great things going on and we're working on internal things in terms, we serve an underserved population and as we are making the different changes through our consumers and our guests and our patients recognising what we're doing. and so we feel it's important educate them on some the things we're doing. we're serving cage-free eggs throughout the hospital, both liquid and hardboiled eggs and we made the moves to organic lettuce as a staple throughout the hospital and that's both spring mix and romain. we're hitting this at a bunch of different angles. beyond that, one of the biggest things is the financial impact of se