>> president cohen: please take roll. [roll call] president cohen is in route. vice president elias you have a

quorum. >> vice president elias: welcome everyone to tonight's meet. please join me by placing your hand over your heart by saying the pledge of allegiance. [pledge of allegiance] thank you. sergeant, call the item. >> first line item is general public comment. at this time, the public is now welcome to address the commission for up to two minutes on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but within the subject matter jurisdiction of the police commission. under police commission rules and order, neither police nor commissioners are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief response. comments or opportunities to

speak during public comment are available via phone by calling 415-655-0001. entering access code, 187 569 7880 press pound and pound three. you may submit public comment in either of the ways. e-mail the secretary of the police commission or written comments maybe sent u.s. postal service to the public safety building located at 1245 third street. we have a number of public comments. >> vice president elias: i'm going to ask to open public comment for half hour and we can come back and continue it at the

latter part of our agenda. thank you. >> we're going to be starting public comment at 5:40 p.m. good evening caller you have two minutes. >> thank you, i am emily lee, i'm director of san francisco rising. i wanted to make comment about joining the calls for defunding the sfpd and refunding our communities and also to speak to the issue related to the sf police department budget, doesn't reflect the calls to san franciscans to invest in the community.

especially as related to alternatives to policing, one specific way that many community members are supporting that is through the compassionate response team cart program. we want to advocate fund to go to c.a.r.t program. there's police commissioners elected leaders move away from the police response to social concerns. we like the police commission to identify big reduction to the police budget as part of this bigger conversation around addressing racism and over policing of black and brown communities. that's it.

that's my public comment. thank you so much for your time. >> thank you, caller. good evening, you have two minutes. >> hello, i'm jean bridges. i'm calling from wealth and disparities in the black community. we met with the department of police accountability last week related to the d.p.a. report on killing of mario wood and the d.p.a. correspondence with san francisco police chief related to mario woods report. my comment and questions have to do with that. first question is has the police commission reviewed that d.p.a. report on the shooting of mario woods and the correspondence between d.p.a. and chief scott sane is the commission aware that d.p.a. has not pushed back on the responses in which the chief states that he will not

follow the recommendation. therefore out of 17 like that. furthermore, police commission aware that the d.p.a. says the district attorney is the party to decide on his own whether witness police officers and shooting may wait to receive. recommendations to and donald trump letter to chief scott states, sfpd should revise its investigative protocols so that officers to a deadly force incident are interviewed prior to being removed from their shift. chief scott's response was, we disagree. we are opposed to adopting a policy requiring interviews of witness officers to be completed prior to their completion of their shift. police commission aware that sfpd refuse the recommendation

that d.p.a. made that officers not be allowed body camera footage prior to testifying. the d.p.a. recommended for sfpd protocol should be modified to ensure that involved and witness officers are fully interviewed prior to disclosure video evidence. >> thank you caller. >> my name is jesse stout. i live and work in district 6 in san francisco. i'm calling police commission today because i see lot of my unhoused neighbors living and dying in the streets. i looked at the budget slide out of the police commission meeting. i saw that the budget differential only $17.2 million left. i was appalled to think after

all the discussions we had last year, police commission and board of supervisors, we would only fund mental health and public health services additional $17.2 million out of the police budget. i'm calling to object to budget. i feel strongly much greater amount should be rededicated to the people who need it most here in san francisco. i ask that you reject police department budget so that police department can work with other departments of our city to come up with a different budget allocation where greater amount of money will come out to fund the mental health care and hospitals that we need for san franciscans to be healthy, housed and whole. thank you. >> thank you, caller.

good evening, you have two minutes. >> my name is austin. i work in san francisco. i'm calling today to ask the police commission not to support the san francisco police department proposed budget. which is a claim of implementing of $17 million based on their own numbers. they can't even meet the proposed budget cut. how dedicated to the reform plan and addressing alternative -- [indiscernible] i would really want us to really use the police commission to identify radical reduction to

the police budget as part of the national reckoning on race and need to move away from overpolice -- over policing. >> good evening, caller, you have two minutes. >> great. my name is kate hodge. i'm also a member of welcome disparities in black community. we met to regarding the san francisco police department shooting of mario woods. resulting in findings of bias

and violence finding to recommendations sfpd. the shooting was heard -- occurred in 2015. chief scott responded in july 2020, disparities in black community saw immediate need of d.p.a., there are 17 recommendations from d.p.a. because of the shooting. chief scott responded disagreeing with four recommendations. there's been no response or reaction from d.p.a. to sfpd finally, we also ask you not to fund another bias audit. you have more than enough studies.

we need action. thank you. >> good evening caller, you have two minutes. >> i'm susan. i'm also a core member of disparities in the black community. when we met with the department of police accountability last week regarding the d.p.a.'s april 20th report on the mario woods case. we asked for follow-up on d.p.a.'s recommendations number 13 out of 17. that d.p.a. be included in an advisory role to the san francisco police department on decision of whether to return an officer to active duty in the case of an officer-involved shooting. the chief responded to d.p.a.'s recommendation with a refusal in his july 2020 letter saying we

disagree with the recommendation because the decision to return an officer to duty is a personnel decision, not an investigatory one. california state legislation, senate bill 1421 enacted in 2019 now allows release of officers prior conduct record. if that information can be made public knowledge, why shouldn't the d.p.a. as as an advisor especially in situations where officers have record of repeat behavior. why isn't d.p.a. pushing back or responding to chief scott for disagreeing with or disregarding one of its recommendations? is the police commission aware that d.p.a. has welcome disparities that is up to the police commission to push back on chiefly scott on this

recommendation. d.p.a. is now trying to pass the buck to you. why isn't the department of police accountability more focused on holding police officers accountable? >> good evening caller, you have two minutes. >> good afternoon, my name is noah. i'm calling today to request police commission not support the sfpd budget as it only makes reductions and doesn't reflect the calls of san franciscans. addressing our addiction system of punishment is imperative to rise above dependency on police responses. officers are not social workers

nor mental health counselors nor specially equipped to handle problems around homelessness. further to address concerns around police reform, we must have been -- since 2016, u.s. d.o.j. has been to reform the sfpd. these reforms have proven to be a failure in the 4th quarter in 2019, all uses of force by sfpd were against the people of color, like myself. sfpd has made little to no progress to reform against us, it lacks the incentive to do so. as long as the budget increases, attempts to form policing will continue to fail. i ask the police commission to

identify the further police budget on race and how we handle problems around homelessness. thank you so much for your time and work. i hope you address this as properly. thank you. >> you have two minutes. >> i'm calling concerning my son who was murdered august 14, 2006. to this day, no recovery of the people that murdered my son. unsolved homicide cold case. i was also referring to the letter that dejesus wrote. there was another letter written -- it sames to be a -- it seems

to be a problem. i've been fighting for too many years for my son to let the feds say that my son was in a gang when you have how many years, 15 years now to prove that. they used my son to get a case that had nothing to do with my son. i don't think that we should be honoring the feds of concerning my son when my innocent young boy who was shot 30 times. my son was not in a gang. all the cases and everything when i went down to look at the perpertrator, it was said that my son wasn't in a gang. it hurts me as a mother to go through this again. i'm reliving his murder again.

i have to deal with this everyday when i shouldn't have to. i should have some closure. i don't have any closure. now i have to fight for this. now i have to go back down to the feds building and stand in front of the building with a bull horn and say something to these attorneys that banished my son's name. for them to say that my son was in a gang, you still put it in papers and the courts and all i'm asking is for them to recant it. i'm asking for help. for someone to do something about it. >> thank you, ms. brown. >> ms. brown, i'm going to send my letter to each commissioner. maybe they can look at it and if they want to agree with it. maybe they can sign on.

you might want to look at the letter. anybody wants to sign on to it. i can augment the letter and add additional names. i think that solve the issue here. ms. brown, i will send the letter and other signatories. thanks >> good evening caller, you have two minutes. >> good evening, my name is jordan davis, she, her, pronouns. i'm calling for defunding the police budget. i don't think it should be approved. we should make these cuts. one thing that should go to is the response team. need to reallocate police money away from that and to a more

compassionate solutions to homelessness. i really think that it should go to recently -- that money, $8.6 million should be to support housing which is 30% rent and all supportive housing. we really need to take money out of the police budget and put it towards human needs. thanks. >> my name is sarah. i lived and worked in san francisco for 20 years. i'm calling today as well to ask the police commission to no way

support san francisco police department proposed budget. the proposed cuts don't represent the fundamental changes in policing that have been promised over and over again. in a meeting in december, i listened to dante king moving testimony. his message was clear and completely devastating. the san francisco police department suffers from anti-black bias.

i like the police commission to recognize not only the importance of this moment but the power they have in it and how fundamental they're agency will be to any real and lasting change to policing in the city and elsewhere in the future. thank you. >> hi, this is jennifer. i am -- i'm calling tonight regarding homelessness and the current practice of the city of san francisco for the primary response to homelessness. this happened 65,000 times each year. where we're sending officers out to respond to trespassing,

things like missing person. it's folks calling in from the city about homelessness. we really need to transform that response. it's been decades where we divested housing at the federal level. we have been hearing about this alternative response to homelessness. this was direct response to the stakeholder meeting that you called for a year ago. you passed a resolution unanimously asking for stakeholder group to develop an alternative we've. working on hard on that. couple of weeks ago, did come out with recommendation. we would love to present and do a formal presentation and follow-up from that resolution so you can see what the results

of the research were. we would love to have support from the police commission. it is critical that the funding for this program comes from police department, etcetera, because it's an alternative what is currently being handled by police. thank you so much for your consideration. have a wonderful night. >> you have two minutes. >> hello, i'm jason wyman. i'm calling from district 10. hearing everyone testify, specifically about the reduction in the police department budget and the need to continue having further reduction, just imperative to me. we spent a lot of san franciscans spent lot of time by

calling in to a different police commission meeting board of supervisors, demanding defunding of sfpd. it didn't really happen or occur. we have a letter from the board of supervisors to put $4.6 million to this c.a.r.t program. it's ridiculous that we have to write a memo asking for $4.6 million and this should be allocated for the program in general. it is time for the commission to step up and hold real accountability for the san francisco police department. twenty years ago, i was working for the san francisco beacon initiative trying to do youth development training. that's just ridiculous that 20 years later, we still can't get

basic youth development training. i don't know, i've been in so many conversations about so much reform, whether it's the beacon or whatever. it's never, ever stuck. this is very rarely gone anywhere. please, i'm urging you to really use power that you have to take this opportunity at this point in budget process, when you have power to do something, like defunding sfpd, more aggressively than it's currently being done. thank you. >> good evening caller. you have two minutes. >> i work in san francisco with the community housing partnership. similar to my fellow citizens who called in before, i'm calling to urge the police commission not to support the

sfpd's proposed budget. greatly reducing the budget and resources that are greatly needed in community and for programs that would provide outlet to safety for all. this won't stop until programs will be funded. please use your power and do not approve or support sfpd proposed budget. thank you, have a good night. >> good evening, you have two minutes. >> good evening. i live in the richmond district.

i'm calling to ask you not to approve the budget. with this cut to -- that doesn't reflect -- [indiscernible] i think people think richmond district is thought of this safer neighborhood that the really set apart from lot of the rest of the city. however, we have, especially during covid, we have large number of unhoused neighbors. we have a large population that is continue to grow of black and brown neighbors and youth that comes in the public schools in the district. there are times i felt very unsafe because of police interactions i got here.

i feel like we don't invest in policing, we create a culture where people who have implicit bias, depend more and more on the police. neighbors talking about self-policing, black and brown neighbors have constantly looked at racial profiling. there's constant calls to police to deal with neighbors. you rely heavily on the police to do jobs they are not equipped to do. that social workers should be doing and healthcare providers should be doing. i think that's really frustrating.

>> that is the end of general public comment. >> vice president elias: we have no more callers in the queue? >> no ma'am. line 2, presentation of the center for police and equity report. discussion. >> vice president elias: do we have the presenters for this? >> yes, commissioner elias, i can see you on the screen. i can introduce you danny schultz. we've engaged as part of our initiative. recommendations for it san francisco police department to work with researchers, academic

partners and nonprofits such as center for police and equity. this is a part of that work. i want to turn this over to michelle for her presentation. thank you. >> thank you so much chief scott. i do appreciate that. can everyone hear me all right? if i could sergeant youngblood, if i can have our first slide. >> thank you so much i like to begin personally thanking the commission for having myself here but certainly on behalf of the center center for police and

equity and behalf dr. philip the cofounder and ceo of the center and dr. tracy keezy, we thank you very much for having us. it's a pleasure to be here.

tonight, you'll potentially hear from matthew graham. matt is an analysis for center for policing equity. he joined c.p.e. in 2019. has been a research analyst for the district of columbia sentencing center 2015 to 2017. also at the district of columbia police oversight agency, the office of police complaints from 2017-2019. he has a masters degree in political science from washington university in st. louis. i'm relationship manager for the policing equity. i work between san francisco police department and the center and questions that might go back and forth. i'm a 32-year veteran police

officer. having retired last year. last 11 years of my career, whereas as a police chief in the state of north carolina and in the state of oregon where i presently lived. i'm a graduate of michigan state university and graduate of fbi national academy. >> just to jump in, forgot to state at the beginning, we keep the presentations to 10 minutes and then we go to commissioner questions. >> thank you, in 2017, the san francisco police department joined the national database as initiative for data collection and analyzing police behavior. shared this data on stocks, searches and uses of force. in 1982 overseen by department of police accountability and the department has a community

engagement division in which officers are assigned full time to proactively engage in the community through relationship building event. the center for policing equity began gathering data from the years 2014-2018 as part of the n.j.d. project. to identify any racial disparities in police interactions with civilians and to identify any dispositions by officers or within the department that may be risk factors in inequitable practices. at this point in order to get into deep dive of the report, i'm going it turn it over.

>> thank you. thank you again to chief scott and the leadership of the san francisco police department and thank you to the board. sfpd was one of the first departments to engage with the n.j.d., it's designed not just to look at disparities but to determine the portion of disparities that belong to law enforcement. school, housing, healthcare. at c.p.e. we look at behaviors and bias. we will determine if any what caused by inequitable practices, behaviors, policy and any

psychological dispositions. as i mentioned, other systems, social services, healthcare and school, etcetera. disparities are not 100% reducible by the police. we want to distinguish that portion of disparity that do belong to the police. that's a key holding sfpd accountable. the sfpd are asking to be held accountable and it's our hope with support of this board, community and there will be a partnership in creation of a road map to public safety. results of the study did show racial disparities. here's a few of disparities.

the per capita stop rate black drivers was two and a half higher than white drivers. black residents were nearly 19 times more likely to be force used against them against white residents. use of force incidents were 1.2 times more likely to involve pointing a firearm with community member who's black rather than white. the time period here is 2.6 in 2018. not noted here, despite -- black pedestrians were made up 31% of the sfpd 2017 -- there's some of the disparities. what does this mean? c.p.e. made recommendations. was to adapt a policy on data

collection. collect more detailed use of force information. c.p.e. recommends sfpd collect and share more detailed data on use of force incidents. in particular, we recommend the sfpd collect and analyze data in a format to facilitate the ease. this means so folks can make sure they have access and run their own analysis. utilize the soft data guidebook. it's a guidebook that we created in partnership that

recommendations certain compliance in pedestrians. require a supervisor to review stop records. c.p.e. recommend sfpd require officers to submit a brief daily narrative about the stop conducted. c.p.e. noted that sfpd 5.01 need to be update to clarify where certain instances that a officer may draw their firearm. identify situational dispatch for discrimination. i won't read all of these for

time. strategic factors, those are the decisions that are made that may have unintended consequences. then external risk factors. these are the ideas i mentioned. things outside the police department. >> san francisco -- how does san francisco pd proactively enhance equity in their community? some of the programs that i just picked out was the safe place program where they work with community organizations and businesses to designate safe places throughout the city by

placing a decal there. someone can come in and say they need help and the person there knows to call 911. the restorative justice program and they are attempting to break that gun violence seen in communities by working with 18 to 30-year-olds that might be susceptible to gun violence. one of my strong points that i like, this is language access program where they provide essential ongoing assistance and resources to members of the community in their native language. again, that seems to be so important. san francisco also interacts with the community youth in the community safety initiative program and youth career academy. we were impressed with that. in regards to the presentation, this was our overview to give to

the commission. we would gladly welcome any of your questions at this point. >> good evening everyone. i want to introduce myself. i'm malia cohen. i'm president of the police commission. i'm grateful for cindy elias stepping in for me in my absence. any colleague has a question, i can pull the chat. cindy, let start with you. >> vice president elias: thank you back. thank you so much for presenting. i did have a few questions about the report that you completed for us. i know that we also had a phone

call a week ago about the presentation tonight. one of the things that i wanted to ask was whether or not you had an opportunity to look at the dante king presentation and some of the more rent statistics at sfpd? or when we'll see the analysis of the current data and recommendation. in the report, i noticed that the seven recommendations that you have, we have fulfilled most of those. we revised 5.01 that you mentioned in the report. we revived 5.03 to have better tracking of the searches conducted by sfpd. that's question one.

question two is, in your report, you indicated that the disparities that your analysis doesn't indicate police are engaged in bias policing. the causes of the disparities maybe explained by characteristics such as the community individual characteristics, individual behavior individual officer behavior, department policy and culture. how do we figure out what is causing the disparity? as you referenced in the report, san francisco, black population is about 6%. that has remained since your data begins in 2014 to about now, 2021. yet, that group has the highest

numbers when it comes to use of force when it comes to searches, when it comes to arrests. i want to know what are we going to do with the data that we have and how are we going to use it to analyze and fix the problem. the other thing is, i noticed that some of the data that you have presented in your report, still indicates large disparity in people of color and how they are stopped, arrested, searched and the subject of use of force. i looked to the department's 2021 c.r.i. update that was presented to the board of supervisors wherein, it is indicated that for every thousands people, 42.5 are

african-americans are stopped, 11.71 hispanics are stopped, 5.9 white people are stopped. those numbers are still a problem. i know that in 2016, they revised 5.01 which resulted in a few years of decrease in the use of force. we're still seeing these disproportionate numbers. we have like the data that you have in and analyzing, the 96-day report which was created by a wonderful president and the california ripa report provides the statistics. we have the numbers. >> i want to thank you for three

questions. first, i think you're asking a great question, which is, we're identifying the disparities, we're doing that year over year and how we're going to solve it. it's important to know, the analysis that we're doing is meant to be high level. here are all the disparities and the practices. the notes that it disparities -- it really is -- there's enough space to understand what we can do and we had some recommendations, what policies we can change, what supervisory issues are present, one of the things we did note. that review is designed. we can understand if what's

causing the stops. that analysis is brought down to high level things we identify should help the city and help the police department to identify more specifically what's driving some of the -- is it tactic and policy that exist. formal policy. to answer your question, this is the idea is to take a more granular approach and find out specifically where that problem is. does that answer your question? >> vice president elias: yes. how will you use the 96-day report and ripa report has some of that data. 501 when it was revised in 2006 has that data set that you

mentioned. it wasn't, now with the new 501 from last year, it has that data reporting mechanism in it. >> i have not seen that data. i don't know when next analysis will get back to you all. i'm inspired by the level of participation by the community. it's what are the roles of community and the police department. that might sound like i'm pushing the question off. in reality, it's this much data and this many folks who are interested and it requires community level response that help us understand what community wants to see and what public safety will accomplish. without seeing that data, it

really is the finding action based on the data that you see. can you repeat your first or second question? >> one of the questions i believe was, you have the data from this report, which again, ended in 2018. you have the ripa data. it's all showing disparities. next steps. one thing i know with san francisco, we have collaborated with them in the next step of gathering data from 2019-2020. we're working with them. the goal was that the initial report would be that baseline for us and for san francisco.

it hasn't enhanced the ability for the communities, commission such as yours and police department to understand just what you said. there are disparities. i think part of my answer goes into the idea that there's not going to be any magic wand that can be shown on this. one of the things that we would encourage san francisco to do, they are doing it as we look at policy by policy. they examine life, to look at what the procedural of this brain. in order to have procedural justice, there must be that police legitimacy. the community has the voice and defining what they want for public safety is going to be crucial. we would also encourage san francisco pd and community grupps to start seeing each

other as partners in this -- i use the word, i'm a little hesitant in this reimagining type format. it really go community by community in order to permit what the next steps will be. >> the third question was factors not owned by the police department. >> other question was whether or not you have the opportunity to review dante king's presentation and other data that showed or alleges bias within the department. i noticed in your report in the executive summary indicated that there -- the data shows racial

disparities during the study period. disparities do not indicate that police officers have engaged in bias or discriminatory behavior. the next page, it indicates that inputs the association had, officers demonstrated slight unconscious bias against black people. those results that you have, coupled with dante king who trained the department and raised issues of bias within the department as a result of his experienced training along with the numbers from the various reports that give the stop data and the disparities and use the force and searches. how is that going to impact your analysis for the next set of recommendations that you provide us? >> i don't know.

i'm not see dante king's presentation. you're correct, there was a number of items in the survey that we wrote as possible issues and a concern. that was racial stereotype threat as you raised the implicit bias issues. certainly there are issues there that are concerning and may explain some the other issues we're seeing in terms of disparities. i don't know, i'll ask matt to weigh in here. i don't know if we drew a causation here. i think that might answer some of your other question. there's a lot of issues that could explain the bias.

i wanted matt to talk about few of the factors. >> while we wait for him, i will defer to my colleagues. i'm sure they have questions. thank you for your presentation. i do appreciate it. i will look forward to the recommendations the next round. >> thank you.

>> we can't draw causable relationship between the climate survey and behavioral data to analyze. when analyzing the data. we're always trying to go beyond just the fact there are disparities. see if we can tray to tease out what's causing them. some of these -- part of the disparities we're seeing, -- some of the things we control for are neighborhood crime

rates, neighborhood poverty rates. racial make-up of the neighborhoods. those are things that police might say, there's higher crime and there's higher poverty. we show that even accounting for those factors, there's still disparities. with the behavior attitude climate survey responses, we can't link those directly. we don't know if the officers who had -- will respond to the officers making these stops.

we located neighborhood factors and we try to look at strategic factors. we look at particular work unit stopping different racial groups. we look at that individual officer behavior to get a whole picture of what's maybe contributing to the disparities. >> president cohen: i'm going to move on to commissioner brookter. >> commissioner brookter: thank you president cohen. i want to say thank you to commissioner elias for her question.

i'm really looking forward to the recommendations and the outcomes what it is that we see and how we'll continue to work -- [indiscernible] >> president cohen: thank you. >> commissioner dejesus: i do look at this. 2016 stat -- i think they are included in this report, is that right? >> yes. >> commissioner dejesus: those are pretty old. you seen these stats before. i'm wondering why they are included? we have as far as we like to, we've come some way from the 2016 data. we've made a number of changes with use of force and the

recommendations that you have. when you say all force, we really have to look at it. we have 1700 officers, it's come down to people complaining about getting handcuffs on. we would need more specific recommendations whether or not what we already got. i have more current statistics. i like more specific proposals like a generic all abusive force. >> just to clarify, this would not be complaint driven force.

that will be different. this is where officers it to identify force when they used certain tactics. your point is very well taken. >> commissioner dejesus: we have to put them on notice what you support. >> yes, the stats are considered old in some ways.

>> you can walk and answer the door. for me, i was trying glean out any useable information from the study. i guess an initial question, the fact that it's voluntary, we are concerned that because it's voluntary, the officers have more -- [indiscernible]

[background noise] i think the people who struggle with and have bad attitudes and other issues. >> that is a concern. i'm not entirely clear on the participation rate. i do believe it was a low rate. there's a concern there. ultimately the findings are meant to identify aspects of folks personality i'm not aware of. implicit bias issues and other questions that we ask are not supposed to be easily identifiable. your concern is valuable. they may be more progressive or

more likely to cooperate. >> that's what i jumped to. oh, this will tell us more about the attitudes of the officers, i think that's something we've been trying to figure out, we spent lot of time on policy. we're interested in how the culture plays big role and how things happen. is there -- are there things that pd does within its work that is may be a more solid measure of that or the climate or the culture? that comes with a selection.

>> just to go back a step. there's like 28% of the officers in the department did participate. it's not terribly wrong. i think it's a good representation. to your point, -- to answer your question, getting more officers to participate. i think that's really the question there. how do we get more officers to buy had this process to participate. many of us know that public sector workers can be skeptics and concerned about what people are doing with their information. i'm not folks willing to buy in. we can build strategies to increase bias. we have other programs that do get to that level of review that

could themselves work on building officer buy-in being by on the ground and discussing in the district and pushing the level. the question is really getting that number to be higher. [indiscernible] >> if i can add just an end to that. when this report was originally given, i believe it was september 3rd to chief scott, he said, i understand what the report saying. it is saying what i expected.

how do i get -- how do i roll this out and get the officers to understand. i think that's a been discussion at c.p.e. in looking at police culture, how might we find encouraging ways for departments to share information sooner rather than later about work such as this t working with someone like the center for policing equity and allow for questions and answers to be given to the troops, especially at the sergeant level in order to drive some change, positive change within the police culture. >> i think a question. you had a preparation meeting beforehand and commissioner elias and commissioner brookter. yes, we know the data and lots of questions.

we really want to have solutions, recommendations and think about the culture and how addressing some of the issues that might have been raised in the climate survey but if there's a way to get a broader. >> president cohen: there are no other colleagues in the chat, i have couple of questions. first, while we understand the data that we are reviewing, with

human activity, it's important to understand that the data is just a tool. a tool that helps to get a better place. my question is this, understanding the data gathered in this report, how do we improve on the actual sfpd and resident interactions in every situation? >> that's a good question. it's important to note that to the extent that there's a problem in the policing in the community, that didn't happen overnight. that's been going on for decades. i think it's establishing that baseline. there's a lot of things happen. therefore lot need to happen.

it does involve understanding what police shouldn't be. understanding we need police to be involved in mental health problems and the homeless and engaging with young people in ways we don't want them to. that's where we -- i believe city of san francisco does not want their police engagement of activities. finding who can fill that gap for the police. right now many cities around the country, they are the stopgap. they are the final line. you all reference it. you have a clearly engaged community that has lot of the questions. that's great.

finally, this is far from results, helping officers on the ground understand what is happening. there's a lot of reconsideration, reimagining what police should do and what folks got from police. really, building pathway to communication for these officers, they do hear and they are asked to think about in a genuine way to start breaking down walls and concerns. the community has a role to consider it genuinely. we have to be thoughtful about the idea. >> president cohen: i have a --

second question. some of the keys to understanding racial identified in the climate survey, are situational risk factors such as an experience and the absence of clear norms regarding behavior. my questions are, do some of our officer have a mindset that certain type of behavior from certain individuals based on their race? follow up to that, how do we change this? i have two more questions. >> are you referring -- [indiscernible] to be clear, that will be the third -- what they need to accommodate that. it has less to do what they believe and engaging with them more. the stereotype are police are going to be discriminatory or

racist. that is the concern. when they do lean into it, they are more likely to try to assume that authority through aggressive tactics. it is not necessarily assuming stereotype with the person they're interacting with. >> president cohen: is absence ever clear norm is a reflection that some persons don't have enough interaction with people outside their own race? >> i don't know if it's an interaction outside their own race. clear norms is really understanding what the expectation is in certain situations in terms of are they required to dominate a situation. are they required to be more of a warrior, etcetera.

i don't know it speaks directly to interaction or enough interaction of people of a different race. >> one of the thing i like to add, commissioners, work to change hearts of minds. that may not happen. we certainly can make change and behaviors happen. as a former police officer with 32 years, identify seen and dealt with so much. i'm embarrassed to tell you all, that i will honestly give it, i did not know what the real history was of policing and law enforcement in this country. one of the things that i personally, this is coming just for me, we must get officers to understand the history of this country. it is not a requirement anywhere that i know.

i have pushed using a representative here in oregon to start looking at that possibility. i think sometimes we allow people to become officers when their minds are still in development and potentially looking at raising in age. when they can become an service. that affects recruitment issues. it can roll up into a lot of things. first and foremost, new officers at the academy level need to understand real history. it's a personal belief. i think that will go a long way as they go out on to the street and into their formal field of training in their reactions in dealing with all people. we just haven't been given that heavily enough and police training. i would like to see that pushed

a little further. >> president cohen: i appreciate the thoughtfulness. how do we accuracy positive interactions between officers and the community? >> we have to have supervisors especially at the sergeant level. sergeant drives the mentality of shift of officers. we must encourage that level of responsibility understand the mindset and understand the change what law enforcement really needs to become and what it never has become. to the point looking at the doctors have a hippocratic oath in essence to say do no harm. law enforcement code can use an update. we don't have anything like that. may be that's the idea where we

should begin all our training. role of an officer is ultimately to do no harm. that's even using someone who potentially is looking at harming someone else. it develops early and i think we have to catch and that's why working with youth, to me is one of the top priorities. chief scott is doing that. we need to be looking at our youth and develop so they see police officers differently. bring that into the training early on. if that helps again, at all. >> just to add to that. it's also not so much about, while i agree increasing positive direction, in eliminating the negative ones that are unnecessary. mental health clause etcetera and homeless clause. maybe another entity should be dealing with. >> president cohen: thank you. appreciate your question. are there any other questions in

the chat? seeing none. >> i wanted to thank them for their deem analysis and the recommendation that they gave. those are the kind of recommendations we need to guide us as we continue the reform efforts of the department. it's that critical thinking and mindset that has been really helpful to us. i'm hoping those suggestions you raised are included in the recommendation the next go around, that we have you here and can share with us. thank you again. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> president cohen: sergeant youngblood, how are you? >> i'm well. >> president cohen: let's call the next item >> next item is public comment on line item 2.

the pub is welcome to make public comment regarding the police equity report. we have couple of comments. you have two minutes. >> this is yalonda williams, president of the officers for justice. i want to say it low participation that they obtained is due to the fact that there was no reach out to the police employee group such as o.s.j. this report establishes what the police department already known.

i hope we did not pay a lot of money for this report. as a whistleblower, i must say that first and foremost, this company is not trusted by us. we don't know you. you.net come out to speak individually to certain people. when you gave us the survey, we don't trust paper surveys. that's just part of the culture. i think you need to be aware of that. i like to find out, what is the demographic breakdown and employees by this company? i want to know how many black and brown employees that they have in their company? i understand you say that the sergeant can drive the troops to proceed in the proper direction. however, you have to recognize there are some sergeants do not move to the right beat that the department is looking for. i do agree with you, that law enforcement needs to work closer with young people. it shouldn't always be on an overtime basis.

which sometimes be done on a voluntary basis. ast all that i have to ask. i hope that future reports are more driven by what we don't know to ensure we are doing a better job as it relates to police reform, thank you. [please stand by]

>> they respond to over 65,000 calls related to housing and homelessness each year and the mayor promises this will change. so that means we have to incorporate a massive reduction to sfpd's budget. i am asking that a tiny portion of that reduction goes to the

compassionate alternative response team and i believe that funding aligns with the effort to move away from police response and towards taking care of community and meeting people 's needs. please do not propose -- approve the proposed budget. thank you for your time. >> sergeant, before we go on, i have to remind members of the public were commenting to tailor their comments to the topic at hand. this is not general public comment. we're speaking specifically to the report we just heard. thank you. >> good evening, you have two minutes. >> hello, my name is jason. i am calling from district 10. i just listen to the entire presentation and i think that there is a correlation between

finding money and advocating for money for things that san franciscans need and not for things like reports that yields nothing, that go to outside consultants. it is astounding to me to listen to the entire presentation and have results a basically disparities. i feel like i am watching another episode of "the simpson his" and we are being sold the monorail. it's costing us money. we are having, again, to write memos to sfpd for four-point $6 million to fund the cart program, when we are already funding things like grifters coming into the city and yielding things that obviously o merit and have no value and offer absolutely nothing when we

know that there's been disparities. if you've lived in san francisco any length of time, you know there has been disparities in how the police has been dealing with the community and communities of color and the latin x. community specifically. it is not rocket science. it is astounding to me. so we need to reprioritize how we are spending our money and we can think about how we are spending so much of our money on experts from outside the city who know nothing about san francisco and cannot offer us advice for how to deal with something that has been going on for generations. thank you. >> president cone, that is the end of public comment.

>> i just wanted to address the caller's concern about the cost. i understand there are concerns about the carbon cost and budget the senate for policing equity is not charging the department anything for this. they are doing this on a voluntary basis. this is not coming out of the taxpayer's fund. it is a c.p.p. project that has been analysing our data. thank you. >> thank you for calling our attention to that. i was going to highlight that as well. please call the next item. >> line item three, reports to the commission, discussion. weekly crime trends and provide an overview of offences occurring in san francisco, major significant students and provide a summary of planned activities and events. this will include an overview of unplanned activities occurring in san francisco having an impact on public safety.

commission discussion on these activities will be limited to determining to calendar for a future meeting. >> thank you very much. is our chief on? >> thank you. thank you for having me. before i begin, i want to say thank you to the commissioner for bringing to light that point thank you for mentioning that. i also have some crying -- crime trends and i will start off with violent crime. the most significant issue with violent crime is shootings and homicides. homicides are up from this time last year. we had five homicides compared to three this time last year. or two at this time last year. we are up significantly in terms of percentage. if there's any good news, it is four of the five cases have been solved and cleared.

one of those four was -- we have one that we have not solved, but we have made progress on that investigation. that is the one that occurred in the bayview about two weeks ago. gun violence is down significantly. we have 27 incidents resulting in 33 victims of gun violence. three of those 33 are homicide victims. the other 30 are nonfatal. one of the issues we are seeing thus far as the bayview is up significantly from this time last year on been violence related incidents. they had two this time last year and 10 year to date. other places that are up our tenderloin, two compared to five , ingleside, one last year compared to three this year, and mission, one last year compared to four this year.

southern, central, richmond are where they were last year or below. terra vale is up by one. so definitely we need to put our focus on the bayview where we are having some issues. in terms of other crimes, as far as trends this year, we are up significantly in burglaries, which is a problem and a trend that we saw after covid set in, and that trend has continued this year. we are up 56% in burglaries this year. that is a significant number compared to this time last year. the actual number is 930 this year compared to 50030 -- 530

last year. our motor vehicle thefts are up. not as much as burglaries, but they are up 27%. we are down overall in larceny and theft, which includes car break-ins, which is down significantly 50 3% compared to this time last year. that is a piece of good news. we hope to continue this as we open our city and reopen our economy. in terms of violent crimes, the good news is that robberies are down 28%. our sexual assault stats are down. twenty-six this time last year compared to 12 this year. assaults are up 1%. there is only a three crime difference from this time last year. 223 this year to date.

there is some good news, but we still have much more to do, particularly in the area of shootings and burglaries. our strategy on the burglaries as we do know that you're dealing with some very prolific serial burglars that we have run across, and we are working with our district attorney's office and his team to hold people accountable when we do catch them, and definitely focusing on chronic offenders. we want to think our district attorney -- we want to thank our district attorney for working with us. we are also working with probation on that issue as well. a couple of incidents to note as i wrap this up, we have had some pretty horrific traffic fatalities this year. we had one in the terra vale. the suspect vehicle was travelling southbound at a high rate of speed and ran a red light and collided with the

pedestrian who did not survive their injuries. we're focusing on speech. also, our driver was driving a stolen vehicle out of san jose. our officers were able to track this driver down after he attempted to flee the scene. that person was arrested and charges have been filed by the district attorney's office on this particular incident. it was a horrific incident. again, a very sad incident. the good news is we did make the arrest and we found the individual and the district attorney's office has due process. we understand this person is innocent until proven guilty in a court. lastly, a couple of things on our stench driving efforts.

i'm happy to report we didn't have any reported stench driving events over the past weekend. that is a nice piece of relief from how we started the year. we still do have our response unit that has increased our response in both efficiency and effectiveness on this issue. we will keep that going and report our progress on that issue. i will conclude that there. >> thank you. chief, you know, i want to be able to maximize our time here. i appreciate the numbers and being able to quantify where we are on a weekly basis and a monthly basis an annual basis. however, the one thing i think is lagging -- lacking in the presentation is the strategy. you say there is an increase in crime in the bayview? tell me why.

how will we be solving this? what is the plan to address it for the rest of this week or starting next week? are you engaging with some of the other community partners, you know, i can't even remember, they've gone through so many different in name changes. what is happening? why i was getting adrift on this we can't keep reporting back. it's just not okay. i need more. i need to know why. for what reason? that is the biggest question. i'm looking for a little bit more. i want to know what the strategy is. and what resources and what needs are not being met. i don't know any other way to

formulate or ask the question. >> yes. let me start with the strategy both long-term and short-term. short-term, and most effective thing, especially after gun violence has occurred is to solve crime and bring those to account for those people who have committed the shootings. which is what we are doing. we believe what is driving this is group violence. it sometimes can go back decades or years and people will come back to the community from wherever they were. a lot of these old views are rekindled. we are seeing some of that. the intervention piece, to answer your question on what groups we are working with and what entities, absolutely we are

we have done some work on these shootings. you have to respond to the violence. we also have to balance this with the presentation that we just heard from the center of police equity. this is not a situation where the strategy is like everybody else. we definitely want to hold people to account where they shoot someone and we want to prevent it. long-term strategy includes our work with the california partnership. this started a couple of years ago in terms of our response to gun violence with the formulation of our crimes, gun and investigation centre, which has been three years in the making and is still going on. we have married that up with our reformulation of our main task force. we have added officers as investigators and not as task force officers. they have done some phenomenal work.

we're three weeks into this and two of the cases that he mentioned were solved, this unit , because they were expanded to, had more capacity to take down leads and all that. it was a big part of those crimes being solved. that is part of the strategy. the other part of this is, again , the data as part of everything. it is our work with the california partnership. it's really focused on building out the work with entities because we have to have an intervention feed to disrupt the cycle of violence. that is part of our strategy. the city has done a lot. the city has been successful over the years in driving down violence, but we need to do a lot more. that is part of the long-term strategy. >> okay. >> last thing i will say, is we have to have officers out there. officers matter. officers being in the community,

walking the foot beat, on their beat, it matters. it is proven. we have to have them out there and we have to stay adequately employed in order to at least visit -- prevent some of this from occurring. those are all things that are happening. we just added seven officers. >> these seven officers, are they permanent or is it temporary? >> they are permanent officers. >> they are permanent officers? >> yes. >> i live in the bayview, so i am acutely concerned, aware, as i get up and walked the neighborhood every single day. just walking around, looking and listening, marrying what i see with the statistics that you present on a weekly basis.

and i am always left wanting more and would like to schedule another time to speak because i don't want to dominate the conversation on the agenda item. as a result of the increase in crime, i've made a decision and i'm working seven more offices -- officers. i don't know where they are. i don't know. that is information that i would be interested in hearing. of course,, i want you to share information that does not compromise anyone's safety if you are doing an investigation or if you are doing, i don't know. that is it. i want you to share with me as

much as you can that will go deeper than what the numbers are telling me. the numbers are helpful, but i want to know, how do we combat this? things that we have done in the past, under previous chiefs, you know, chief chief phong had a strategy. and then every chief had a different strategy. i have been around long enough, even though i am very, very young, i have been around long enough to see these different manifestations of leadership and it still has left me with a question of -- the bayview still has a lot of violence. which leads me to another question. for what reason does the bayview have more violence than others? there are gangs at bayview and ingleside station. what is happening in the fillmore? what about the mission?

i was talking this afternoon and some of us grew up in san francisco. some things change in some things stay the same. one is this going to stop? kids are not in school? is that part of the reason? we need to get people back in school? i am rambling here and my apologies to those who are listening and bored with this line of questioning, but i'm really just trying to peel back and understand on a very intimate indeed to level, for what reason we are seeing these increases and what we are doing to address them. >> the biggest issue of gun violence is a group involvement group involvement. gangs, neighbourhoods, theft, that is the biggest issue that has driven gun violence in the past and that is driving it right now.

we have done a very in-depth in depth analysis and that is the biggest issue. the neighborhood where these groups live and where they play and hang out in the city is where the majority of the gun violence is. there is factors that go into why people are involved in these groups in the first place, and some of that is social and some of that is a lot more than policing. the bottom line to your question is that is what the data tells us. that is the biggest issue. and neighbourhoods we have more of those groups that are prone to violence, that is where we are having the issue. >> i think about cities like richmond, california. a used to be the murder capital of the world. it has somehow been able to get a hold of the gun violence. what are they doing? >> a lot of this violence right

now in the region his regional. in richmond, we share information and talk to richmond quite frequently because a lot of our violence happens in the street of -- streets of richmond and vice versa. it can be said about many area cities. there is a regional approach to our strategy that we are hoping to formulae his and do any more formalized way, it is interconnected. we have had homicides, that we know, shootings that we know stem from violence in groups and other cities. a lot of them have roots in the city. family, friends, it is connected >> i appreciate that very much. thank you. we will continue. let me go into the chat. i see commissioner how masaki flogging. let's hear your thoughts.

>> was he up there before me? >> thank you. [laughter]. >> i was waiting my hand around but i don't think -- >> no worries. >> i just want to thank madam president for that line of questioning. i think these are questions, and even as a look at the commission , there are three of us that live in district 10. this is of better concern and it has been. i would even, you know, welcome the president, if we can have more of a presentation that is just around strategy as a result of the violence. i just wanted to put it out there. chief chief, my questions are a little bit more for two date. especially as you started talking about vision zero. if you could, my understanding is that there was an accident that took place today. it was a homicide that took place of a young person here in the community that was stricken by a vehicle.

i just wanted to know what we had on that and if you could touch on that. >> sure. thank you for mentioning that. there was a 12-year-old child that was struck and killed by a vehicle. this investigation is ongoing. it does not appear to be any type of criminal culpability on behalf of the driver that struck him. very tragic and sad that situation. the child was on a skateboard and was struck by the vehicle. i cannot draw the final conclusion because our investigators, as we speak, are still conducting their investigations, but i can say at this point that it doesn't look like there was criminal culpability on behalf of the drivers. the driver remained at the scene it was not hit and run or anything like that. it's just a really tragic

situation. >> chief, i also received some information from folks in the community. forgive my lack of knowledge in terms of missing persons, but it seems like there was also a young person who has now been missing from the fillmore district. what is our protocol around missing persons, especially children? >> have you seen that? >> no. i will have to follow up with you on that. but i can answer questions about protocol. protocols for missing persons and how we approach those investigations is clear. number one, if someone reports a person missing, we take the report, the person gets put in a national database. if it's a child or if there are critical factors like health

concerns or mental illness, the person is maybe on medication or those types of things, those we actually send out a command post and we stay on them. it is ongoing. if it's a missing person where those things aren't at play and it doesn't involve a child, the report is taken and we investigate and it goes to our investigators. what happens at the onset is depending -- dependent on the criticality of the situation. most children will have a difficult time surviving overnight by themselves and that type of thing. so we stay on those and we set up a command post. it is a very intensive investigation. protocols are very clear on what the level of criticality is where we actually set up a command post. this one, i am not familiar with

the specifics on this one. i will follow-up and see what this one is about. >> absolutely, chief. i will make sure i forward this to the commission. it sounded like a young man by the name of joshua peterson was hit. he is 12 years old. i will make sure i forward this to the commission. >> thank you. >> i will check in with commissioner elias. >> thank you so much. i think the question you are posing to the chief are really important and some of the answers, you know, while i

understand that, you know, gang violence is an issue, i am concerned that that can't be the only cause because i feel like when we hear about violence, that is the first tag that goes on to the situation. and having being a public defender for several years, i had cases were people were labelled gang members and they weren't gang members. it was family. it was so-and-so's cousin because they hung around each other. they were labelled a gang member and we hear mrs. brown and her experience about her son. that label is very dangerous and i want to know, like president cohen, let's go behind the labels and what is really causing it and getting more information. i think sometimes the knee-jerk reaction is to say gang violence and that is the answer.

i think we need to be more critical and analytical of that answer, chief, because i really want to know, i too am concerned about the violence in our district and what we are doing about it because these problems aren't happening in other districts and i guess i want an answer other than it is gang violence. >> if i can respond, commissioner elias, what we have done and what we have been working on for the past year, in 2017 our budget was passed and we actually had money in the budget to analyse the district. part of the objective of this analyzation, being able to have an understanding of what is driving shootings and homicides in the city. the second part of it is to come up with going beyond the

enforcement to address this issue. that has been -- it actually started in 2017. we had to go through whole process. we got on board with california partnerships and they have actually -- this is not a knee-jerk reaction. we have been analysing every shooting from 2017 to 2020. they went back two years by our request. it involved going through cases in reviewing it with investigators to determine. sometimes it's not a gang at the time, legally, but there are groups involved, so this information that i am telling you is solid. it's not a knee-jerk reaction. this is a year of rolled --

research on our shootings. and parts of addressing that issue is doing the necessary research and analysing the data so you can come up with solutions, which is what we're doing with the california partnership. i mentioned there is a $1.5 million grant. a lot of this grant is not on enforcement, it's about helping us develop solutions to address the root causes of what is driving our violence. i want to make two distinctions here. when i said group violence, that is not necessarily all gang violence. sometimes it's just neighbourhoods. some of them are gangs. by the legal definition and by anybody who knows about this type of issue, it is a real issue in the city. [indiscernible] it got us to a better place in terms of a long-term strategy. a lot of this is still being worked out as