meetings in between meetings, then we could have that data sent there before the meeting, which helps us to turn all of that information to the individuals so we can get feedback appropriately (indiscernable). >> chairwoman: thank you so much, member haines. >> i just wanted to thank, cynthia, for your work. i know it is not easy. you make it look easy, but i know a lot of thought went into that. >> i get a lot of help, but thank you. >> a lot of collective thought, right? and then to be able to present that. i also -- so i started kind of thinking, like, wow, we're going to be looking at outcomes. so there is a lot of ways that you can get outcomes

with solving homelessness. you can take the people who are going to be more easy to get into housing and put them in, and call it, you know, a success, and reduce it to a thousand, easy. you can look at the chronically homeless, who need a different level of support, and probably won't be captured by, you know, easy, one-hit processes. so i guess i'm just thinking about that because if what we're trying to do is create the most affective system to meet everywhere they are, i'm wondering if when we're looking at it, are we saying we're trying to create the most successful systems for all these different kinds of folks, or are we just saying we're trying to improve on one or two and get those right and get outcomes for

those? like i said, if the goal is to get 1,000, 2,000 people into permanent housing out of 8,000, that is pretty easy to do, depending on where at the continuum you start. those were the things i was thinking about and i wanted to say out loud because they may impact how were you look at this thing going forward. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you. [simultaneous talking] >> i can wait if there are other folks who want to weigh in. >> it's up to you, but member ledbetter also had something? >> sure. so the response to -- the point is really important that you're making, member miller, because there are a lot of ways to think about outcomes. i think what we're hoping to do is to move us from

just thinking about outputs as in we're going to add 1,000 placements into the pipeline to what reductions are we going to make in these various populations or however we're going to think about upcomes. there is a lot of -- basically my hope is that we have a framework to look at that is saying if we want to get to a 50% reduction in homelessness by 2022, here is kind of where the buckets of prop "c" money could plug into that. and there could be other funding. we're going to have to create it with other funding. but we can't make decisions that are, like, okay, if we're going to get to a functional zero systems homelessness -- i'm putting that out there -- i0

million on hotels, we can see what it does to our modeling. it could only get to a 75% reduction in family homes because we're taking money out of other places. so we can see the tradeoff. after april, i think we can really dive into what the action plan and the implementation recommendations should look like. we don't have purview of all of it, obviously, for the city, but we can talk about how we think we should reach these outcomes, and how to build capacity, also, across the departments and the providers to get to these outcomes. i think that is the work we should do and continue to do after we have the kind of buckets of members because i think that is really important. thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you so much. member ledbetter. >> yeah. i just have something for

clarification -- i think i'm getting confused on who will be bringing in the next set of recommendations. i thought the immediate needs should be (indiscernable) and the next recommendations come out of the modeling. i'm just trying to get the caught of as to where we should expect the next recommendations to come out of (indiscernable). >> chairwoman: let's let member friedenbach respond. >> thank you. and maybe my question is: what is the thinking for immediate needs in the future? is that going to be the forum that we can put together these spontaneous requests? >> yeah. the way that i'm thinking

about it is i'm thinking about it right now, and i think we'll have to shift, i think you're right, to what you're suggesting. right now i think it started as fiscal year. is this money we're expending rights now in this fiscal year? then we have to make recommendations and schedule it to budget and finance to be released. the example i gave earlier, if we wanted to recommend that some of the money be used for acquisition of a hotel, and we wanted some of the money to come from fema, we would need to make recommendations here and then their budget and finance committee would need to have two agenda items. one that releases the funds that happens directly. and another one that is a fundamental, that would have to be approved by the whole board. so i'm kind of thinking about it and kind of working backwards from when the money is released. so if there is anything,

as a body, that we want to make recommendations for this year, that is currently in the immediate-needs budget. for the stuff that is going to the mayor and board of supervisors for the next fiscal year and the year after that, that is going through the process under cynthia that includes all these different elements, and the prevention going under that, and then under cynthia's group, and julia helping to get input from in-house communists. communitie. so all of that is thinking about next year and the year after's fiscal year, which we hope would be included in the mayor's budget. if not, we would ask the board of supervisors to include it in theirs. i don't know if that helps, but that is just the way i'm thinking about it in terms of what i think i'm in charge of. >> it helps a lot. >> thank you.

>> sorry. i was going to build on that, but i don't want to interrupt julie. >> i see member andrew's hand raised. >> chair, you're reading my mind. i'm sorry. i will forever be the time czar on this. i love you all to death. and i know this is all important work. this is something that possibly the city can help with, we would want to put some timeframes on each one of these agenda items and figure if we can either solve them in the meeting, in that timeframe, or carry them into the next meeting. i'm so sorry to do that. i'm going to have to ask for the chair's leniency in allowing me to go next because i have to go to another meeting that is non-negotiable. >> chairwoman: of course. >> i'm sorry.

it is what it is. so i just wanted to let -- i wanted to thank you all very much. we're getting down to the nitty-gritty, and the committees are all working and it is pretty remarkable. i had a really good meeting with representatives at d.p.h., molly and holly and jenny, and a new others that we -- the way i think about this is how do i and how do we want to approach the work? what amount of work has already been done. what can help us that is already at our fingertips? so what we're going to do is probably do an aerial process. there is a lot of great reports that are in behavioral health. some from the commission by the board of supervisors and tipping point, and the economic recovery task force. a lot of them have the

similar critical issues that have been identified, and also similar sets of recommendations in short, medium, and long-term. we're going to take a really good look at that and see if with can sin sinthasize a lot of that. so we're going look at those and make sure we have a comprehensive document that reflects those. i want to thank jenny and sarah short and julia for leaning into that. we have things already scheduled. and i'm really excited for a pre-planning meeting that we're going to do in preparation for our behavioral health. and i think it is the treatment and on-demand coalition that is co

hosting this with us. but i want them to know there is work that has already been done. it is important that we're educating on both sides. so the planning meeting is next -- is tomorrow. and then our big meeting is february 23rd, from 4:00 to 5:30, and i'm really excite todd hear excitedr from everyone. and we'll be working with the stakeholders. and i support creating a calendar where we can throw in our respective input sessions. every liaison may have an idea of how many they want, the frequencies of them, and it feels a little like everybody is off on their own to do their own thing. if there was a document where we could populate it in close to realtime, and possibly piggyback on others to make it more

sufficient, that would be really great, too. so i'm always in support of a calendar. thank you, madam chair. >> chairwoman: thank you, member andrews. it is really great information. thank you for putting that all together with behavioral health. i'm really excited to see that. does anybody have any questions or comments for member andrews? well, i see none -- oh, member nadendra? >> i can talk to you more off-line, but in part of the analysis we have been doing for this whole plan, we have been looking at behavioral health, and i'll give you all of that work, too. >> i would love to see that. it would be super, super helpful, and probably a great base line for when we pull p.b.c. representatives together. lots of work together, but all of these things seem to be independent, so it

would be great to sin tha size it. >> i'm wondering if we're looking at board and care or co-ops or what might be in that? >> it did come up. it was interesting that the earlier part of the conversation was, what is the relationship between (indiscernable). to jenny's point, that was pretty much the rule. they're the experts in brick and mortar, and d.p.h., as least for behavioral health services, where does one end and the other begin, and making sure together you could really create a good behavioral program, and then towards the back end of that, long-term permanent housing for

those folks in our behavioral health system. so it is an active conversation at the department level and certainly within p.r.c. >> thank you. that is exciting. and it would be amazing that as things cross your radar, like innovative things about pipeline -- i know this state is always thinking about how to do medi-cal funding for housing, and are those conversations moving along. >> yeah. the best thing we can do is just expand medi-cal to cover as much as we possibly can, right? and so we were excited to know that food is medicine. and, so the most recent expansion of that will be getting a lot of those services covered, which weren't otherwise covered if you had to rely on the goodness and the kind heartedness of the community. that is key and an

essential element to living well and having short and long-term health and well-being. i fully support you and agree with you, julia, on that. >> chairwoman: thank you. thank you so much, members. and to your point about a calendar, i think that is a great idea. we need to work with the controller to have something like a google calendar where all of you can view it and go in and put things in, even if they're tentative dates. i wanted to touch on that as well. >> i'm super excited about that. thanks, everybody. i have to say good-bye. bye. >> bye. >> chairwoman: really quick, member nadendra, i had a question based on your presentation. it was more just like a comments on the slide about outcomes. >> as far as family

homelessness outcome, that was taken from other h.s.h. reports and all of that. it is just, again -- and i'll probably continue to harp on this as long as i'm on the committee, but being really clear as to prop "c," when we're talking about family homelessness, we talking about the broader san francisco definition, and not the h.s.h.'s definition. when you see h.s.h. on the same slide, my mind goes, which one are we talking about because there is really only one i'm interested in. so in the future, that we make that really clear, especially to the family providers who will have a lot of the same questions and hesitations. >> i appreciate that. it makes a lot of sense to clarify that. and, yes, the simplest way we were starting was from the strategic framework outcomes. so i think from this whole conversation around when

we should have our next special meeting, maybe we could put outcomes on it so we can walk through the outcomes, and see if we have some kind of align; and then come back with a clear address on those upcomes. >> thank you, member nadendra. i think we'll definitely need a special meeting between march and april. so i wanted to just go ahead and make a motion on that. i'm pretty sure you make a motion. >> chairwoman: i think you don't need to make a motion for scheduling. >> we all have a special meeting that is decided now. mary, if you can, like, send us -- i guess a form to fill out. >> yes. i'll go ahead and get that out this week. >> okay. so i wanted to move on to

member reggio, who is our inventory and pipeline liaison. >> thank you, chair. i think as far as my reports eariler, my thinking is working with the department slightly with the san francisco housing accelerated fund folks, significantly with cynthia, whom i appreciate very much. i'm working the issue. and what i want to anticipate is that i'll stay close with those folks between now and march, and so what emerges from the department is something that is in line in terms of comprehension and timeliness regarding what we are working towards. at the same time, i would

anticipate at this point what we would be looking at is action within the context of the overall investment plan, rather than by separate allocation at that time. let's see what happens between now and march in terms of the report that is coming. so i think i have nothing else to report at the moment. >> chairwoman: okay. great. thank you, member reggio. does anybody have any comments or feedback. seeing none, we'll open it up to members of the public. >> members of the public who wish to provide public comment should call 415-655-0001, i.d. 1464654190, then pound and then pound again. dial star 3 to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have

been unmuted and you may begin your comments. please note that you have three minutes. >> we do have callers on the line. i'll go ahead and take the first caller. hello, caller? >> caller: hello, committee members. let me bring to your attention a recent meeting, virtual meeting, that i attended. it was the addicts commissioner. our addicts commission doesn't have the money to have resources. and we are departments that are crooked. and the many crooked departments that we have are involved with some of what you all are discussing today. i do not want to mention the individuals, nor do i want to mention the agencies. so when you have this committee, "our city, our

home oversight committee," it sounds very rosy. where are you going to get the money from? we have a $13 million budget, and our ethics commission doesn't have resources. and our mayor says that they have to give up 10% so that they can promulgate some equity. you have been mentioning it in a direct and indirect manner. this committee should get their act together. don't talk too much. if you have the money -- where are you going to get the money from? our city departments do not have the money. our city departments are laying off essential workers. in the middle of the pandemic, our mayor has taken a raise. she is making $400,000.

and when we, the taxpayers, here are rambling about it, it pisses us off. it really pisses us off. thank you very much. >> chairwoman: thank you, francisco. >> taking the next caller. hello, caller? >> caller: hi. i'd like to know if bringing it back to the individuals in the zip code hotel, there are available units, a lot of them. are we not doing proper assessments to make sure those who can be immediately housed are housed? for example, an elderly woman who doesn't need additional on-site support services and is in a

wheelchair, why are we not placing her in a house? why are we not getting the proper paperwork done? why do we not have an organized system helping people get their i.d.s in place. we need to start with the individuals inside. if we do a proper assessment of the individuals inside, we would better have an idea of what type of housing we need to be placing them in. secondly, we do not have enough resources to serve those suffering from mental health challenges. a lot of these people have street trauma and resource trauma, decades of it. and we're not even allowing them to gain their agency. if we're going to put people in rooms with four walls without any self-agency or insight, it's a caution. so i would really hope that we could organize what is happening now before we keep moving into stages and stages. we do not have a

coordinated entry, property management, assessing these people. not just a computer and some questions. finding out what that treatment on demand is for that person in that moment. thank you for your time. >> chairwoman: thank you, teresa. >> there are no additional public comments. >> chairwoman: okay. thank you all, everyone who participated in public comments today. one thing, laura, that i missed on the last item, and i don't know if we can go back, but member nadendra mentioned a prevention liaison, and i forgot -- if we can go back now that we've already had public comment, or if we can address it as this last item -- >> you can go back to the agenda item and discuss,

if you do end up making any kind of motions, you would need to take public comment again on the motion, since there wasn't a motion made before the comment was taken. >> chairwoman: okay. thank you, laura. yeah -- how do the committee members feel? i think it is a pretty important liaison role -- >> i can -- thank you. my bad for not bringing it up before public comment. i wanted to -- it is an important piece of work we want to get done on the these listening sessions, and move some of that forward in the next month. i would like to nominate member ledbetter to be the liaison for prevention. i don't know if we need to make a motion or we want to discuss it or how that works. >> i will second that.

>> chairwoman: i think we take a vote now. >> you would need to have additional public comment. and then you can take a vote. >> chairwoman: okay. great. lets bring in public comment then, please. >> members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call 415-655-0001, i.d. 1464654190. then pound and then pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial star 3 to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. please note that you have three minutes. there are no public comments. >> chairwoman: okay. so i guess we'll take a vote. >> member andrews? absent. vize chair deantonio?

>> yes. >> member friedenbach? we need verbal answers, sorry? >> yes. >> member haines? >> yes. >> member ledbetter? >> yes. >> member miller? >> yes. >> member nadendra? >> yes. >> chair williams absent. we have seven votes, and that says yes. >> chairwoman: great. thank you for bearing with us, you guys. so number seven, possible agenda items for the next meeting, march 16th, does anybody have any agenda items they would

like to put -- or outcomes. go ahead, please. >> i'm just wondering if we can keep a rolling ledger of agendas? i know there were some that weren't able to fall on this particular one. it would help those who travel, that we don't forget those. a little more structure about (indiscernable). and being more specific as it relates to the committee members. it would be nice to see all of the documents to be presented at a meeting, so people have a little more time to check them out and respond in the meeting. >> chairwoman: okay, thank you, member haines.

yeah, we do have a rolling list, and we are drawing from that, in whatever the agenda topics are for that day, or what we see as being more immediate-needs stuff. so, yes, we have a rolling list. member reggio? >> i think what we've probably already agreed, we need on the agenda presentations from h.s.h. with regard to housing acquisitions, property acquisitions, rehab operations. >> chairwoman: thank you. member ledbetter? >> thank you. i think you mentioned, vice chair, but we need a little bit of time for feedback from the committee. >> great, yeah. >> chairwoman: i know,

member nadendra, you had mentioned outcomes? is that something we see more on a special meeting or march 16th? >> if we're not going to have a meeting before march 16th, if possible i would like to have it then. >> thank you. >> chairwoman: member ledbetter, was there anything else? okay, great. okay. well, i guess we'll just take public comments on that item and then everyone will be free to go. >> members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call 415-655-0001, i.d. 1464654190. then pound and then pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial star 3 to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. please note that you have three minutes. there are no public

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