>> good morning. welcome to the rules committee board of supervisors today, i am the chair of the committee, aaron peskin, joined by supervisor mandelman and supervisor chan. any announcements? >> yes, due to the covid-19 health emergency and protect board members, city employees and the public, legislative chamber and committee room are closed. however, members will participate remotely. members will attend the meeting through video conference and participate in the meeting to the same extent as if they were physically present. public comment will be available on each item on the agenda.

both channel 26 and sftv.org are scrolling, and call 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d. is 1877235034, then press pound and pound again. when connecting you will hear the meeting discussion but muted and in listening mode only. when your item of interest comes up, star three to be added to the speaker line. speak clearly and slowly and turn down your radio or tv. if you submit public comment by email, it will be forwarded to the supervisors and part of the official file. that completes the initial, my

initial comments. >> thank you, and for some reason i can't see you. >> apologize, i had the blinder on. >> got you. ok, there we are. good to see you, victor. could you please call the first item. >> yes, number one, ordinance amending the campaign and government conduct code to forms 700, filing requirements and sunshine and ethics training requirements by adding members of the sheriff's department oversight board and inspector generals in the sheriff's department office of inspector general. >> thank you, this is a measure approved by the voters that president walton introduced and require form 700 statements of economic interests by applicants to serve on that oversight body. i don't know if there's anybody here from president walton's office but it is quite straightforward.

i don't see anybody from president walton's office. are there any questions or comments from committee members? seeing none, is there any public comment? >> clerk: yes. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on item call 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d. is 1877235034, then press pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, star three to line up to speak. prompt will indicate you raise your hand, please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. i believe we have five listeners and one speaker in line to speak. >> first speaker, please. >> i think that i was actually

wanting to speak on another topic. >> ok. we'll come back to you. >> thank you. >> thank you. are there any other members of the public for item number one, statements of economic interests for the sheriff's oversight body? mr. young, does that conclude public comment on this item? >> that does conclude public comment. nobody else in line to speak. >> public comment is closed. and colleagues, if there's no objection, i would like to make a motion to send it to the full board on that motion. >> yes, on that motion, supervisor mandelman. >> aye. >> mandelman aye. supervisor chan? chan aye, chair peskin, peskin aye. the motion passes without objection. >> thank you, next item, please.

>> yes, next on the agenda, 2, ordinance amending the administrative code by cod ifying add tiesments of solicitations, reject or change solicitation, grants terms set forth requirements for the head of the agency in making the sole source, and rules and regulations for effectively carrying out the requirements of this ordinance, set forth grant requirements set on grant fund source and administrative debarment procedures. >> this measure, kind of amazing this is not already law as

brought to you by supervisor stefani, new section 21g for grants in our administrative code, and thank you, supervisor stefani and your staff for bringing this to us, and the floor is yours. >> thank you so much, chair peskin and thank you for scheduling this item. colleagues, before you today is an ordinance to reform the way the city conducts grant making. the purpose of this ordinance is to ensure openness, transparency, and a basic level of fairness in the process. the ongoing local and federal investigations have made clear that we need more accountability from city departments, and this ordinance will be a critical step forward to safeguard taxpayer dollars. this ordinance was drafted in response to the city auditor public integrity review of contracting at public works, actually, specifically to address the finding in finding number 6. city auditor found public works

issued 19 grants, totaling $24 million, using the same process they used to select contracts through the prequalified pools, which was a source of corruption on its own and which we have addressed in previous legislation. the city auditor also found that these grants were made in accordance with city policy, actually, but only because there is no binding city policy and we think that needs to change. the problem is larger than just public works. over the three-year period spanning 2017 to 2020, city departments issued 5,746 grant awards, totaling $5.4 billion. that means nearly 2 billion per year was awarded through grants and the city has no law setting minimum standards for competitive solicitations, fairness in award selection, documentation, or transparency.

departments have basically unlimited discretion how they make the awards, can look and feel very much like a contract yet subject to much lower scrutiny. city attorney has provided guidance to the department but that is nonbinding and does not carry the force of law. this proposal will create a new chapter in the administrative code as supervisor peskin mentioned, and it will create formalized standards for the solicitation, public notification, evaluation, selection, and oversight for grant awards. specifically, this ordinance does the following. it creates 21g.2, actually in 21g.2 creates a uniform definition for grant. and i want to know this definition specifically excludes contracts, loans or loan guarantees, tax relief or tax credit, direct assistance to individuals or rebate programs outside the scope of this legislation.

21g3 will require all grant programs to make the awards through an open and competitive process with certain limited exceptions. 21g.4 sets minimum standards for advertising grant solicitations that includes publishing notices in the same manner as other public notices, requiring 21 days' notice unless the department grants officer authorizes exception with good cause and requiring the solicitation contain essential information about how to apply for the findings. 21g.5 sets minimum standards for evaluating grant applications, fair and trans parent processes where evaluation, criteria is made public. 21g.7f prohibits grantees from submitting false claims and penalties when they do. 21g.8 creates a path for awarding sole source grants with the written approval of the city

purchaser, and 21g.9, authorizes the city purchaser to promulgate rules and regulations month later than december 31, 2021, and requires grant recipients to maintain documentation five years and submit to periodic audits. i believe these reforms are long overdue and as supervisor peskin said in the opening, it's kind of amazing we don't have them in place right now, especially when you consider the amount of money at stake here. over the last year, many of us on the board of supervisors have individually questioned specific awards. i specifically took issue with the way the behavior health commission was funded. i know each of you have specifically called out grants in other areas for waste, fraud or abuse. the purpose of this legislation is to make it far less necessary for us to interrogate specific funding recipients, and to ensure the information we need so available when we do.

this introduction last september, my office spent the last nine months working with our departments to understand how various other grant programs operate. the purpose of this ordinance is not to jeopardize any program, but to ensure grant awards are open, fair and transparent. as a result, many technical amendments to introduce which i believe you are in possession of, i sent a copy to everyone last night. i want to thank rosa sanchez and nadira taylor for the work over the last year on the ordinance and the department representatives who took the time to help refine this proposal and of course my amazing chief of staff, who has just been incredible as we worked with everybody to make this just right. so i'm going to go over the amendments just to have them into the record and i will start with the top, so we will move

the language at page one line age, line 21, refining the definition of grant. page three, line eight, adding individual to the list of parties that can receive grants. page three, line 13, definition of proposal, page three, line 20, correcting definition of risk manager. page four, line five, clarifying the language exempting grants for property improvement from competition. page four, line 10 through 12, a date which they must report soul source awards and go to the supervisors instead of the controller. and page four, line 20, shortening to five days only with good cause. page 6, 22-23, date by which assignments must be reported to controller. page seven, lines 3-6, requiring grantees to maintain records in accordance with federal or state requirements if those requirements are longer than

five years required by this ordinance. page eight, line 21, through page nine, line nine, clarifying purchaser can issue regulations of sole source grants, approval of applicable board or commission. requiring sole source decisions to be revisited at least every five years and allowing sole source grants for the city owned cultural center added not to conflict with the requirements governing those centers. page nine, line 12-13, setting a date for the purchaser to issue regulation for grants. page nine, clarifying grants funded by the state and federal government to the rules to supersede the rules if there is a conflict. page nine, line 25 through page ten, line nine, inserting language on department suspension consistent with, no,

debarment consistent with other parts of the code and 11 through 13, requiring rebate and inventive programs, not grants, to permit the auditor to control those programs. that was a lot of information and i thank you for your patience. i went through the, all the amendments in front of you today, they are substantive, and for listening to the reasons why i think this ordinance is so important and with that, i turn it back over to you, chair peskin. >> thank you, supervisor stefani, and i'm sure we are happy to take the amendments which as you said are substantive and will require a continuance, given that it is budget season and we are being requested by the clerk to try to be judicious about scheduling weekly rules committee meetings, it's unclear whether we will have a meeting next week or not, we are trying to figure that

out, so continue to the call of the chair to hear it next week, we will. i don't want to prejudge this, but i think it all makes sense. i did want to ask, a handful of questions, particularly given what's gone on for the last year plus, which is does this include grants that were dispensed or will be dispensed during and as a result of the pandemic emergency, how does that work? >> sorry, i was on mute. my understanding, supervisor peskin, this is going to take place after the emergency orders. so it shouldn't affect it. and also in one of the amendments, or 21g.2, when they talk about the definition of grant, direct assistance to individuals or rebate programs are outside the scope of this

legislation, but this will not affect what we have done pursuant to the emergency orders because of the pandemic. >> got it. and do we know, i mean, obviously we touched on the public works situation, do we have any data as to who currently receives grants not pursuant to competitive solicitation? [inaudible] >> sorry, are you there? >> yes. >> yes, so, so the -- one of the reasons why this is so needed is because that information i do not have because it was issued in a way that without transparency, so i don't have the number of -- i don't have all of that information, which i think that we should be able to ask. but no, i don't. >> ok. and we have a week to, you know,

if we have a week to get some answers from departments. do we know about any situations where competitive granting processes might frustrate a public purpose? drilling down on that a bit, apply to grants made through the budget? >> well, i think it may or may not, and some of what will happen is when the rules and regulations are developed, which are set to be developed by december 31, 2021, that situation can be addressed. but if they qualify based on the definitions i read, they may very well apply to what taxpayer money we are granting through the budget process, if it fits the definitions in this ordinance i believe that it would. >> ok. and then just one little comment

on the proposed amendments at the bottom of page eight, and i think i understand and agree with the sentiment, but just wanted to raise a question about the actual language. this is in 21g.8, sole source grants. under the jurisdiction of a commission or board, shall not award a grant without an open and competitive process unless the commission or board approves, and i think you might want to add some words after approves, you know, approves a sole source grant so it's clear what they are approving. >> ok. i think that's valid. >> are there any questions or comments from members, let me -- my chat box is now working, believe it or not. supervisor chan. >> thank you, chair peskin and i

wanted to thank supervisor stefani for bringing this forward. it is something that i really think that is needed. i agree that it is surprising that we have yet to codify this grant process, similarly what we need to do for contract that we are not doing that for grant process in the city. i appreciate this and like to be added as a co-sponsor in support of this legislation. i really appreciate all the amendments today as well. i think supervisor, chair peskin has already asked all the questions that i would like to ask. my assumption is when there's an emergency ordinance this, that the emergency ordinance is going to be taking over the process laid out on the legislation, and that i do look forward to seeing

the data about the organizations that are not in compliance from what i understand. i think that even with the add back process for some of our nonprofits through the add back process, either they are extending the grant or they have to apply for r.f.p., go through the r.f.p. process anyway to be awarded a grant. this is codifying it so appreciate your leadership on this, supervisor stefani. thank you. >> thank you. so in so far as supervisor stefani is not on the committee, i will be happy to move the amendments and i don't know if we want tweak that little thing i mentioned it would be a nonsubstantive amendment next meeting and you and the city attorney can decide whether it's worth it, it was just a comment,

so i won't make that friendly amendment at this time, and you can consider those words. so on the motion to adopt supervisor stefani's amendments, mr. young, a roll call, please. >> would you like to take public comment, first? >> oh, you know what, god bless, i would like to take public comment. thank you, mr. clerk. are there any members of the public who would like to comment on this item. >> yes, members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item call 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d. is 1877235034. then press pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, star three to line up to speak. system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until you are unmuted and begin public comment. i believe we have ten listeners,

but nobody in line for public comment at this time. >> public item is closed and made a motion to adopt supervisor stefani's on that motion, a roll call, please. [roll call vote taken] >> the motion is adopted without objection. >> ok. and then we will try to schedule this as quickly as possible but given the uncertainty, i will, of our next meeting, i will make a motion to continue it to the call of the chair but hopefully back next week or the latest the week after on that motion, a roll call, please. [roll call vote taken]

>> the motion passes without objection. >> next item, please. >> next on the agenda is item number 3, ordinance amending administrative code to provide that employees are covered by the healthcare security ordinance when they are teleworking during the time period that city health orders place restrictions site work and/or encourage employers to telework during the covid-19 pandemic. >> this ordinance is brought to us by supervisor ronen. the floor is yours. >> colleagues, this legislation closes a loophole the healthcare security ordinance that has allowed san francisco employers to avoid making healthcare payments to their employees who are working from home because of the covid-19 health order. when our health order closed offices, schools and other workplace, 10 of thousands of workers, many of whom do not

live in san francisco, quickly shifted to working for their san francisco-based employers outside san francisco. late last year by office was contacted by some professors, were not receiving a payment which they needed as they were living through a global pandemic. hourly rate towards workers healthcare for eligible workers who work in the city and county of san francisco. once workers began remote work, some employers discovered the loophole to discontinue payments for the workers who reside and therefore were working from home outside of san francisco. in the midst of a pandemic, no longer contributing to reimbursement accounts to pay insurance premiums and supplemental medical bills. this legislation will make all hours worked on behalf of the san francisco employer count as if the worker was physically in

the city for the purpose of the employer requirement. one of the strongest municipal healthcare laws in the country, ensures benefits to thousands of san francisco workers. this ordinance will close the loophole and ensure while the pandemic health order is in place, all people doing work to benefit the san francisco employers will receive their healthcare benefits. additionally i want to be clear that as the pandemic subsides, and the nature of work changes to a hybrid schedule or continued remote work, i am prepared to go beyond the health order if employers continue to avoid paying their fair share of workers healthcare. and with that, colleagues, i want happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, supervisor and happy monday and welcome back to city hall, everybody: are there any questions, supervisor chan?

>> thank you, chair peskin. not a question, just also want to thank, you know, supervisor ronen for your leadership on this. this is just unimaginable for someone to take away healthcare during a pandemic, and also just forcing a work environment that may or may not be safe for people who return to. i'm really glad we have vaccination and that's coming forward. so the reason why i am also working really hard, you know, on the family friendly workplace amendment because i think that it is time for us to recognize a new normal for work environment for people to be able to reach that worklife balance, taking care of the family and themselves, really, while they dedicate themselves to their work. so, thank you supervisor ronen for this, and i would like to be

added as a co-sponsor. thank you. >> supervisor mandelman, comments, questions? >> i'm good. >> ok. yeah, it's kind of cold-blooded that somebody would actually, i mean, the fact that we have to close this loophole is just -- is pathetic. i would like to be added as a co-sponsor. all right. is there any public comment on this item? >> yes. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item call 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d.1877235034, then press pound and pound again. if you have not already done so, dial star three to line up to

speak. a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. wait until you have been unmuted. 12 listeners and three in line to speak. >> first caller, please. >> caller has been unmuted. >> go ahead, caller. >> can you hear me now? >> yes, please proceed. >> it is mr. pilpel, good morning. so i'm not sure if it's germane to this specific change, perhaps not, but i'm just wondering if there is a reporting requirement

as to how much each business has set aside for its employees under the ordinance and what happens when a business goes out of business and where those funds end up. do they end up with the employees, do they stay with the business, are they stranded, etc., if there's a way to respond to that, that would be great. if not, i understand and i'll find out some other way. i would appreciate it. thanks very much. >> next speaker, please. >> yes, hi. i wanted to make a statement about the importance of the contributions for u.s.f. part-time employees. my name is elizabeth, a part-time faculty member for u.s.f. a total of six years, and i teach in multiple departments, environmental science, mathematic, and engineering, whenever i'm needed. and personally the sfmra

contributions have been very important to me because i have a preexisting condition that requires medical care from outside of the kaiser network, which is currently the only insurance possibility that u.s.f. is providing to its part-time employees. so i just wanted to say that personally it's been very useful for me to help me pay my private premiums since i'm outside of network of kaiser, and also helps me to pay my additional out of pocket expenses. so, i just wanted to make that comment. thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> good morning, board of supervisors. i live in the richmond district of san francisco, julia, also a part-time at u.s.f. and i'm calling in just to state my support for this amendment to

the legislation. sfmra is really important to part-time instructors. we often have breaks in employment, we, many of us don't work consistently semester to semester, so the funds are really important to keep us steady, since those are accessible to us, even when we are not currently working. so this benefit can outlive our employment contracts and that's a useful thing for someone who is tenuously employed, and i would like to encourage this amendment to go on to, thank you. >> thank you. are there any additional speakers? >> yes, there are two more callers. >> next speaker, please.

>> hi, i'm a full-time associate professor at the university of san francisco. not adjunct professor so i will not be affected by this, but the union, and the u.s.f. project, and i can say with confidence the decision not to contribute to this, to, for the medical needs of our adjunct faculty is not based on the financial necessity due to the covid shortfall but a choice on the administration's part not to prioritize the workers who are most vulnerable in terms of job security, so, and i just wanted to say our university faculty living and working conditions are our student's learning conditions so express my strongest support for this

registration. i wanted to thank you for the supervisors to do the same. thanks. >> thank you. next speaker. >> hello, first, thank you to supervisor ronen for bringing this legislation forward. thank you to rules committee members and supervisors peskin, mandelman and chan to hear the issue and the san francisco labor council to find ways to push the issue forward. thank you to those who spoke today. my name is jill, i'm an adjunct professor at the university of san francisco seven years. the last year, part of the faculty association, adjunct instructors teach roughly half the courses offered at any given semester at u.s.f., we are essential for the students. today i'm here because of the fundamental issue of fairness.

last march transferred to teaching online because of covid. and they cut with nonsan francisco addresses under the reason we were no longer working for san francisco. and technically still working for san francisco, that's how the law reads now, at the time it went into effect we did not know that covid would happen, wildfires would become in the season, but sometimes necessary to work from home. since last march roughly 100 to 150 of the adjuncts, depending on the semester, lost out on the options. these contributions come out to a little over $900 per semester. may not sound like much in the scope of healthcare costs overall, but considering the rates at which adjuncts are paid and essentially gig workers, streaming together pay and benefits from often more than one institution is a lot of

money for us. we have heard about the expenses, doctor visit, co-pays, mental health care, prescription and over-the-counter medications, they have described it as a loss, similar to a cut in pay. we cannot -- >> speaker time has elapsed. >> ok, thank you so much. >> thank you. are there any other speakers? >> there are no more callers in the queue. >> if there are no other comments from committee members, supervisor ronen. >> thank you, chair peskin. you know, shame on you, u.s.f. as supervisor peskin said, it's pathetic that we have to address this situation that as far as we know at this point u.s.f. is the only employer that cut their

healthcare obligations to adjunct employees during a global pandemic. shame on you for doing that. i want to thank the u.s.f. faculty who brought this issue to our attention, who are leading the fight for fair conditions, for a workforce that as jill said are often treated as gig employees who are paid very low wages and given very few rights, the least u.s.f. could do when adjunct faculty teach 50% of the courses at u.s.f. at any time, and the spirit of this law. since they failed to do so, i appreciate colleagues that you will support this legislation forcing them to do so, and i just wanted to give a few thank yous, first and foremost u.s.f. adjunct faculty and the faculty

supporting them, san francisco labor council and santiago from my office what really shepherds this legislation through the process, and for that, colleagues, i would appreciate your support. thank you. >> thank you. why don't we move this to the full board of supervisors with a positive recommendation with a couple of new co-sponsors on that motion, mr. young, a roll call, please. [roll call vote taken] >> motion passes without objection. i have a new co-sponsor of chair peskin. was there another person who requested? >> supervisor chan. >> thank you. >> thank you, colleagues. >> thank you, supervisor ronen. mr. clerk, next item, please.

>> yes, next on the agenda, item number 4, ordinance convening the redistricting task force and amending the campaign and governmental conduct code. >> i am a co-sponsor and ready and willing and happy to speak to this piece of legislation and to really kick off and get ahead of the redistricting process, which is really a very important and sacred process that on the local level is about district

boundaries after is the census. as we all know, the once a decade census process under the trump administration was fraught and was the subject of many righteous lawsuits and organizing not only in san francisco, but across this country as the xenophobic racist policies of the trump administration tried to up end the once a decade census. as a result of that, the census has been delayed and we will, like every other city and state and municipality in the country, not actually have census numbers until later this year, i believe, the end of september, but in anticipation of that process, it is time to form our once a decade redistricting task

force. i was involved in this 20 years ago and watched from the sidelines a decade ago and now will be the third time around. president walton wanted to add exactly what we did in item number 1, which is that the task force members would be required to submit an economic interest form, 700s as they are commonly known, a few other things came up due to the good work of the clerk and others so there are a number of, i believe nonsubstantive amendments. before we get to that, i just want to remind everybody how the task force works. it consists of nine members, three appointed by the board through the rules committee process and ultimately full board action. three appointed by the elections commission and three appointed by the mayor. and it's a process that

everybody should have access to and scrutiny. weird things have been known to happen, not only in san francisco relative to supervisorial boundaries, where i even recall a decade ago one supervisor getting redistricted out of the district that he represented, but it's important that everybody have access, and to that end we need to make sure that there is funding and appropriate steps taken for language access to that we have full transparency and access for people who don't speak english as their first language. and then in addition to what president walton first suggested, there was some suggestions, thank you, clerk young, with regard to the number

of meetings that they should have, how frequently they should meet, at least once a month for the duration of their tenure as well as language with regard to what happens to any member who misses three regular meetings of the task force. their work is relatively short. they have to be done as set forth in this resolution by 2022, so we have language which i can read into the record that addresses all of those things. with that, let me hit my little chat button and see if folks have any comments. supervisors chan or mandelman, any comments on this item? >> thank you, chair peskin. i appreciate your work on this and it is really good to know

having president walton and leadership on this. love to be a co-sponsor. i know that this is a body that will be really reviewing some of those, having some of those tasks with, around the issues with redistricting. thank you. >> thank you. so let me just read into the record these three amendments. page three line three, insert members of the task force shul serve at the pleasure of their pointing authority and may be removed by the appointing authority at any time. section three, page three, line 15, following the inaugural meeting task force shall hold a regular meeting not less than once per month. any member who misses three regular meetings in six months without approval shall be deemed to have resigned from the working group ten days after the

third unapproved absence. the task force shall inform the board of directors of such resignation and page three, line 24, in order to address language access needs, task force shall be appropriately funded to ensure the public meetings and outreach are conducted as required by the city's language access ordinance, admin code 91. such requirements shall include providing interpretation services if requested at least 48 hours in advance of the task force meeting and notices, agenda and supplemental materials explaining the redistricting process. i would like to make those amendments. we will hold off on voting on them until we hear public comment. mr. clerk, are there any members of the public who would like to comment on this item? >> yes, members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item, call

1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d. is 1877235034. then press pound and pound again. if you have not already done so, press star three to wait to speak. we currently have six listeners and two callers in line to speak. >> first speaker, please. >> hi, this is lauren gervarden on behalf of the league of women voters and san francisco rising. we would like to thank, and paying attention to the elections commission about six months on this, so it's nice to see this put forward. and thank supervisor peskin for sponsoring the ordinance.

the importance of the redistricting task force cannot be understated. encourage the board of supervisors to take steps to pass by all appropriate speed, and by all appropriate speed, we mean please do now. thank you. and that they share a timeline with the public, that includes the steps involved in passing the ordinance, you know, your -- the board of supervisors process is not really clear to folks that are not paying attention at other times of the year, and also a timeline that explains the application process for the board's reappointed seats on the task force. with dates listed should be announced as necessary, but you know, at least understanding what the steps are is a big piece of transparency that will really help our redistricting process. we have so much work to do, even before we get the census data. we strongly encourage the board of supervisors to make every effort to make it a fair process

and ensure maximum public participation. it's nice to hear these amendments, particularly around language access and providing translated materials. that has been something that we are, as a league we are looking at, and want to see as much as possible. especially because the census data is actually something that would tell us what languages we should be translating into and we don't have that data. so, i would say even with language access if we can go more than the minimum, there was request the election commission they translate into the arabic speaking community -- >> you are muted, chair peskin. >> thank you. thank you, madam clerk. thank you for that comment, and thank you for the letter that we are all in possession of that

the league sent, and i do actually want to let everybody know all these appointments have to happen before the end of july. anybody as to the board's three appointments can apply to the rules committee clerk, victor young, and a notice will shortly issue from the board of supervisors requesting that folks apply. with that, before i turn it over to the clerk of the board herself, angela, why don't we finish public comment. next speaker, please. >> can you hear me now? >> mr. pilpal. >> yes. i served on the redistricting task force in 2011 and 2012, i'm interested in serving again. i'm not sure if the july 31st

date to make appointments is workable, given the timelines involved. i understand that beyond passing this ordinance of the full board and the mayor signing, that it's 30 days before it becomes effective and i thought only at that point can the clerk post a ten-day notice of an unscheduled vacancy and only after that time could the committee consider appointments. but if that time frame can run concurrently somehow spending passage for effectiveness of the ordinance then perhaps this all can happen by the end of july. in any event, the elections commission is already considered its appointments to the task force and the application deadline for the elections commission was last week on june 1st, and they will be considering their appointments this week at their committee and

next week at the full commission. in any event, i support the legislation, i can proper any useful history about what we did ten years ago, and i am willing to serve again and thank you all very much. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> there are no more callers in the queue. >> okay. public comment is closed. madam clerk. >> thank you, chair peskin. members of the committee, chair peskin, i'm just trying to apply this camera and turn this -- great, you can see me. good morning, chair peskin and members of the committee. the board of supervisors is a partner department with the redistricting committee, and proud to be a partnering department along with the director of the department of elections, and adrian pon, from the office of citizen engagement

and immigrant affairs. so we will be as far as the office of the clerk is concerned providing the noticing, the agenda, and the package material, create the content, daily basis or weekly basis, whatever it is the task force is requesting, and then taking that content and turning it into information in language working with ocea and director pon to make sure the nonenglish speaking communities are able to receive this information timely so that they would be able to participate at the right time with the right information, timely information. and so the clerk's office will be clerking the committee, they will be conducting remote meetings until the health officer clears large groups of individuals to gather. we may be pulling in other partner agencies that don't want to be public with now because i have not gotten their ok yet to assist us with logistics should

there be large groups gathering all over the city as they did last time we conducted this work for the redistricting task force. i think you recall, supervisor chair peskin, there were about 30 meetings in a period of three months. so a lot of work happened in a short amount of time. and to meet that time frame, a great legislative deputy and her team have already crafted the draft vacancy notices and after the president's resolution is approved with all the recommended language, we will then be finalizing those vacancy notices and posting them right away so we can be collecting a wide array of individuals who want to be on the task force for the rules committee to vet and make their appointments to the task force. we stand ready to answer any

questions at any time, and full complement of services. >> thank you, madam clerk. on the amendments, a roll call, please. >> yes, under amendments. [roll call vote taken] >> motion passes without objection. >> and i want to thank john arnts, in attendance for his work and i was going to ask him but it's already been answered as to when the elections commission will consider their nominees. thank you there arnts for attending. and with that, send the item as amended to the full board with the positive recommendation. >> on that motion. [roll call vote taken]

>> motion passes without objection. >> and i know that supervisor mandelman needs to leave for the pride flag raising at 11:00, and we will, i will make a motion to excuse him from the last two items. i think we can squeeze in one more item or supervisor mandelman, would you like to leave now, or should we squeeze in one more? >> i'll try and squeeze in one more, and if i drop off, i have to drop off. >> ok. mr. clerk, next item, please. >> yes, next on the agenda, number fives, ordinance amending the business and tax regulation code to add provisions to administer the vacancy tax. >> ok. very exciting. the voters, the board of supervisors put a commercial vacancy tax before the voters, voters said yes and we had a

pandemic and we delayed the implementation for a year because amanda freed got detailed to the emergency operations center and the treasurers office was no longer able to promulgate -- i'm just kidding, amanda, it was a joke. about you january 1, 2022, this is a step in that direction and the timing could not be better, given the increase in vacancies during the pandemic. this should put a buyer under certain commercial landlords as behind to reoccupy those spaces. with that, miss freed, the floor is yours. >> good morning, supervisors, thank you chair peskin for that very historical inaccurate picture of what happened. [laughter] today, and this item we generally call trailing legislation for the vacancy tax,

passed by voters on march 3rd, 2020, and as chair peskin noted was deferred for one year due to the pandemic and now effective on january 1, 2022. as you might recall, any time a business tax gets approved by the voters, our office brings administrative provisions before you to align our audit and collections authority, filing and payment requirements, penalties and taxpayer confidentiality. allows us to maintain consistency between all of our business taxes, and also make sure that we can change these items legislatively if the need arises in the future. so the legislation before you today allowed our office to collect the vacancy tax on an annual basis on the last day of february, following the calendar year for which the tax is imposed. this would align the filing and payment with all of our other annual business tax returns. and in addition, each owner or

less see in a relevant commercial space in the neighborhood districts where the vacancy tax applies will be required to file annual informational returns, whether or not they believe they are subject to the tax. this will allow our office to track vacancies in these spaces and take appropriate action. this ordinance will also extend the other previously mentioned provisions on audit penalty and taxpayer confidentiality to the vacancy tax. i'm happy to take any questions. thank you for your consideration. >> thank you, miss freed and thank you for tolerating my tongue in cheek bad jokes. are there any members with questions? seeing none, any members of the public who have public testimony on this item? >> yes, members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d. is 1877235034. then press pound and pound

again. if you have not already done so, dial star three to line up to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. [please stand by]

>> chairman: thank you. are there any opening comments from my one remaining committee member, supervisor chan? no. okay, then why don't we hear from the applicants in order of their -- that they appear on the calendar. we'll start with mr. hunter. >> thank you, chair peskin, and supervisor chan, for having me today. i just wanted to take this moment to quickly touch upon my public policy, professional and community background, and how it will hopefully allow me to serve the commission. so throughout my formal education career, i have drafted government frameworks, and shaped public policy, and worked with public policies around the country. this built my ability to analyze legislation, while being both inclusive and acquittal.

acquittal. i applied various ethical lenses and developed potential mitigation measures. this ability to balance the theatrical frameworks and paired it with tactical practices, is how i really hope to support the department. that's what i hoped to do on c.a.c., while serving in the environmental justice seat. it would sometimes be reading reports and following up with the staff to make sure we were following through on our obligations that we made tot community. i've now had the chance to live in san francisco for nearly a decade, and worked with community members here locally and throughout the state. i worked with the california state democratic party to get them to support the green new deal, and currently sit on the san francisco league of conservation voters. so as i look to serve this city in this new capacity, i have taken the time to watch each full committee from 2021, reviewed over 50 resolutions since 2010,

and reviewed the six annual reports published by the position. with this background, i do recognize there is more to do and more to learn as this department looks to grow and achieve its very aggressive and necessary milestones with our climate action plan, and i look forward to developing that knowledge, along with supporting the department. >> chairman: mr. hunt, when were you appointed to sfpuc citizens' advisory committee? >> i believe in 2020. >> chairman: and so how many meetings have you gone to of that c.a.c.? >> that c.a.c., i served on both the committee and the sub-committee on waste. so i attended, i believe, seven committee meetings for the c.a.c., and an additional five, i believe, for the sub-committee meetings. >> chairman: do you know when the expiration of

that c.a.c. term that you got appointed to is? >> off the top of my head, i do not. >> chairman: and this is relative to your background in public policy, which you discussed, is any of that in environmental public policy? or what kind of public policy was that? >> fantastic question. so right now my day job requires, like i mentioned, theatrical and practical application. so an example of this would be taking the u.n. declaration on human rights, the right to life and the right to health, and applying that to a public policy issue, like environmentalism. and that's how we end up with these questions related to a right to healthy environment. going a layer deeper into that, we take practical application, things like working with indigenous folks, which the board has already started to do, or the committee themselves, or going one layer deeper and talking about

sustainable and local development, things like we see with the construction and demolition ordinance. i examine a variety of public policy issues both in my field and as a community member, and that's where i bring in the theatrical and practical application. >> chairman: okay. any questions from supervisor chan? >> thank you, chair peskin. mr. hunter, i think i want to get back to what i typically, when i have a chance to talk to any of the candidates, is why -- why this commission? and what will be your priority if you were to be appointed? >> thank you, supervisor chan. i mean, i am part of a younger generation that realizes that climate change is going to be a problem left at our feet. with that, though, i don't think we're going to be able to tackle climate

change without focusing on environmental justice first and foremost. the thing that i'll say about environmental justice generally is our city does a great job in putting forth good policy forces for environmental justice. however, right now i feel often time intent does not meet action. and that is a big problem as we talk about these issues because intent doesn't lead to making it through the hoop. it leads to the ball getting dropped. we've seen it with, for instance, with the p.u.c. not following on community commitments made over a decade ago, and not even knowing the status of those. i will say that the department of environment does a much better job, making sure that the equities are intertwined throughout the four mission statements and the four goals in our climate plan. however, action on those and making through they are followed through, would be my top priority

going into this position. so my passion for this environment is what is pushing me towards this commission. >> chairman: all right. why don't we go to ms. long. ms. wong. commissioner wong, are you with us? >> thank you. can you see me? >> chairman: we can hear you, but we can't see you. i know what you look like, for the past 20years. years. [laughter] >> thank you. i can see you and supervisor chan and -- >> clerk: we see you now. >> oh, great. >> chairman: go ahead,

please. >> i'm sorry. i just got in. so is there a question or -- >> chairman: we just -- i'm sorry. welcome to the rules committee meeting. we're considering a -- your appointment -- reappointment to the environment commission and just wanted to afford you the opportunity to make an opening statement. >> sure. thank you. thank you for having me today, and also your consideration for my reappointment to the commission on the environment, as a commissioner. it has been my honor and, actually, privilege to serve the commission for the past six to eight years. i actually forgot how many years now -- i think it is my third term. i think when i was initially appointed it was because they really seen that there was a huge need for a commissioner who can

support, especially the commissioner supporting the department to reach out to the very diverse population in san francisco. as you all know, over 30% of the population is a.p.i. when i joined, there was no a.p.i. commissioner on board. i always advocate for language accessible service and competent resources to especially the non-english communities, or the hard to reach or marginalized community. i'm especially interested in the education and mental health justice areas, as well as how we do the community outreach. a few years ago, i've been part of a league to do the zero waste planning in chinatown, working closely with the department of ecology, and i'm also s.f. chair for the operation

committee. we always talk about committee outreach, and ensure about language accessibility and culture competent materials to different communities. and we call about mental health justice, and how they collaborate with the school district, to ensure that our next generation will be the leaders. and that is something i'm very passionate about. and in these couple of years, and especially (indiscernable) we have been paying a lot of attention to the racial justice plan within the equity department as well. >> chairman: thank you. supervisor chan, any questions for commissioner wong? >> i just always appreciate commissioner wong's work all around in our community. i'm a firm believer that environmental justice is social and economic and racial justice. i think often time, for a lot of times that when we talk about environmental

issues, including climate crisis or climate change, what we often don't recognize is that, you know, for decades that all these actions really impact communities of color the most. it is critical to recognize, from the views of communities of color and immigrants, because i think san francisco, as progressive as we are, we know that something like a sewage plant, a power plant, even a, you know -- all these different kind of industrial plans always take place in bay view, where it impacts communities of color the most. so it is always good to have folks on the commission that are really coming from a social and

economic justice work that is simply rooted in the communities of color. so i appreciate commissioner wong's work on the commission. it is really what i look to when i think about the commission on the environment, is really looking for people who understand san francisco communities and are really deeply rooted here. and you don't have to be, you know, born and raised here, but just really have been connected to the communities here. i think that is really the direction of where we need to go when it comes to tackling environmental issues. sometimes it is easy to just talk about it on social media, about environmental issues, but it is so much harder to do that day in and day out on the ground work, when it actually comes to combating environmental issues. so thank you, and i think that is what i am looking

for for members sitting on this very critical and important body. and i want to add one more note. you know, just about what the mayor has proposed in her budget and, you know, for us to really think about tackling climate crisis and the environment, is that we oftentimes think about this crisis or climate action plan, and that is that. not to recognize that all things that we do should be coming from that angle, and there are actually many, many ways we can approach it, beyond just a plan, and to fund it like it is and to operate our city government like we really mean it. so, thank you. i digress and side track. thank you for indulging me. >> chairman: thank you, supervisor chan. i appreciate your line of thought. are there any members of the public who would like

to speak to items 6 and/or 7. >> clerk: yes. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on these items, should call 415-655-0001, i.d. 1877235034. then press pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial *3 to line up to speak. a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. we have 12 listeners and eight people in line for public comment. >> chairman: first speaker, please. >> caller: >> caller: good morning, supervisors. my name is susan pfeiffer. i'm a resident of san francisco, and i think most of you know me or know of me. i'm calling and support of

austin hunter. i originally met him in 2016 on the hillary clinton campaign. he was able to pull a group of new and inexperienced volunteers together, give them calm, clear direction, and led them when integrity. and inclusive nature is one of his hallmarks. and i know he loves to study the impact of new technology through an environmental and sustainability lens. i know he will continue his practice of people bringing people into the fold, which is critical. i ask you to consider moving his name forward with a positive recommendation to the full board. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: thank you.

first, i would like to thank the supervisor for your work serving the city. i'm here to call in support of austin hunter. i am an immigrant, a new u.s. citizen, and i currently work as an independent consultant to help small businesses in san francisco with their marketing efforts. in the past, i have worked and volunteered in this field of climate adaptation. so i also believe in the environmental justice as part of the whole act of climate action. so i know that we need people who are going to work hard to bring an environmental justice angle. and austin brought his perspective while serving on the c.a.c. so i expect him to transfer that over to this commission. and, also, working with austin in some volunteer capacity, i also learned that austin has the capacity to build bridges for the community. and this is particularly

useful, especially when the department looks to implement the racial equity action plan. thank you so much. >> chairman: thank you. next speakers please. >> caller: hello. i am diane pate, and i have been a san francisco resident for over 20 years. and i'm super excited to speak about austin hunter in this role. living in san francisco for so long, transportation is so crucial and so important. i'm in the process of moving to a different location in san francisco, and the amazing public transportation that i've been taking advantage of and that kept me in the city is not as abundant in my new neighborhood as i've been spoiled with, so

i'm super excited to have somebody like austin on track to make sure our transportation is environmentally efficient, as well as functional for the city residents, including me. we met over 10 years ago when austin was working on getting some other folks elected in the city. and just like the person we were trying to get elected, david chu, austin didn't own a car, and so he has a lot of integrity, and he lives out his values with respect to environmental proficiency. he mobilizes people and he gets things done. i can say that firsthand from all of the events and compaigns that i worked on with him. he is not only passionate and gets things done, he is super strategic and gets work done smartly. i'm super excited to get austin on task to get our city better equipped to be

environmentally responsible. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: hi. my name is taylor ingraham, and i'm calling in support of austin hunter's appointment on the commission on the environment. i saw his passion for the environment when we started our school's first environmentally-focused club. even though we can just kids, he showed we can make an impact and inspire those around us. he is a committed activist that continues to make an impact and support this community. i hope this body will support his nomination. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker. >> caller: hello, supervisors. my name is iona agawall, and i currently work as a human rights lawyer, nd i'm a resident for san francisco.

i have had the pleasure of working with austin as a colleague on various policy initiatives. he brings both an ethics and human rights lens, one in developing policy framework and objectivities. this was made clear to me as we helped frameworks both abroad and as applicable here in the states. austin's ability to identify and mitigate harms in public policy is what we need when looking to address the city's environmental crisis. and i just echo what a few of the others have said before me as to how committed austin is in the capacity as a public servant, and his incomparable skills with respect to strategic thinking. i would ask that you move forward with his approval to the commission. thank you very much. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker. >> caller: can you hear me now?

>> chairman: mr. philpo? >> yes. i think the last time at this meeting. i have not met austin hunter yet, but i assume he will serve well on the environment commission. i want to mention commissioners chu and wong have served well on the commission, and i thank them for that. one has left; one is staying, which is great. just one thing to call your attention to: i don't understand the reference to the retirement board on lines 15 and 16of the first file, and 16 and 17 of the second file. if someone could please check that, that would be great. i support the proposed appointments, but i would ask you to check that retirement board language, which seems a little -- >> chairman: i was going to bring that up. >> caller: brilliant minds think alike.

thank you very much. until next time. >> chairman: thank you, mr. philpo. are there any other members of the public who would like to comment on these items? >> clerk: yes, there are four more callers in the queue. >> chairman: okay. next speaker. >> caller: hello, supervisors. i currently serve as the environmental director of the eastern neighborhood democratic fund. i'm the vice chair of the bay view c.a.c., where we're continually bringing issues of environmental justice throughout the city. [inaudible] i'm calling in to support the nomination of austin hunter to the san francisco commission on the environment. i had the opportunity to work with austin on various community outreaches, throughout

soma, bay view, and other neighborhoods. he always makes sure there is an equity and environmental lens brought to our work. and we engage residents of the southeast part of the city. i ask the rules committee to move forward to recommending austin to the full board for approval. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker. >> caller: yes, good afternoon, supervisors. regarding mr. hunter, i tried to do research as his resume is somewhat brief. i did find him as a member very active in the union organization, which i didn't see in the resume he submitted. so maybe i have the wrong austin hunter. if he is the same person, i hope he can clarify the following. the m.b. organization often attacks citicorp, which is the major legislation for underrepresented communities in california and san francisco.

now, i appreciate the member of a group does not mean adopting all of the positions of that group. it would be helpful to know if mr. hunter supports cqua, and how (indiscernable) or perhaps he disagrees with the m.b. organization on this. if so, that would be great. thank you very much. >> chairman: next speaker. >> caller: hi. thank you. my name is kristin webb. i'm calling in support of austin hunter's appointment. i am a former program manager of a national water non-profit, where i coordinated and implemented an initiative focused on gaining public and political will to invest in our nation's infrastructure in the effort to protect public health and the environment.

i currently am a director of public outreach for a local woman-owned business, and consult as a liaison. i believe in advancing policies to create a safe and secure future for all populations in san francisco. i have had a great chance to engage with austin at the california state democratic party level, where we proposed solutions in support of the green new deal. the party's support for the green new deal is now part of our party platform because of his work. additionally, i know austin will bring a critical eye and supportive hands to the work being done in our city to help mitigate the efforts of climate change. i hope that this committee will support austin's full application to the full board. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please.

>> clerk: there are no more callers in the queue. >> chairman: okay. so public comment is closed. and i don't know, supervisor chan, if you have any additional comments. i did have some questions for mr. hunter, and just check online -- mr. hunter, you indicated that you had between the s.f. p.u.c., and a subcommittee there of, attended a total of 12 meetings, seven of the c.a.c. as a whole, and five additional with the sub-committee. was that your representation? >> i believe i was appointed in november, so it would have been the november, december, january, february, march, april, may -- and then no june, and i resigned in may. so that would have been six, if my count is correct. and then the sub-committee

meeting meets every other month, so that would have been three. is that accurate? >> chairman: no -- i mean, not according to the p.u.c. or their website. they indicated you have attended precisely three c.a.c. meetings, and four committee meetings for a total of seven, as opposed to a total of 12, which is neither here nor there. my question is: as far as you were just six months ago appointed to that body, why you want to bounce so quickly to another body? >> that's a fair question, supervisor. and i do think at this point i would be better able to serve the city on the environmental -- on the commission for the en violent. environment.

i think that the c.a.c. does play a integral role, and there has been an appointment as i look to transition to this new committee. i do think that the work being done at the department of the environment aligns with my background. i'm excited and invigorated with the work that the department is doing, and i feel i can make an impact there. >> chairman: just as a matter of fact, that seat is still vacant, for the record. okay. supervisor chan? >> i think i have a couple of questions. like, one, why did you resign? and, i'm sorry, my apologies, mr. hunter, i did not know you personally or even professionally previously. but that speaks just about

my not knowing, but not anything about your work. what was brought up was your membership and the action about cqua. i'm not going to dive too deep into that. but, mr. hunter, what is your view of cqua. i think that the cqua is decades long of environmental advocacy work. i think that it is there to safeguard our environmental issues -- really just to protect our environment. i have seen, really, around the world development, and including some in asia, and it is

oftentimes how i look at those developments and think about how fortunate i am to live in san francisco and california, having cqua protection for my environment, especially against commercial development of many types. and looking at asia at times, where i was born and came from, and i wish there was cqua in place to really protect the environment there, knowing that there are so many great natural resources. i would low to see your point of view around cqua. >> supervisor, that is a great question. generally as the department looks to support 5,000 new units at a 35% affordability rate, cqua will be an integral part of that. cqua is one of the things that protects our community, and it pairs with the precautionary ability that is laid out in the environmental code. i do think that we constantly see more vulnerable communities facing the impacts of

construction and the environmental -- and unfortunately the environmental impact it has on air quality and low carbon. if we just look at the low construction, that is definitely where the department is going to be lending a hand with caps. i do support cqua. i do think it is a good idea and that cqua protects our community. >> and, sorry, chair peskin, i think the first part of my question, and i want to apologize for my questioning, but the first part of my question was: why did you resign from the c.a.c.? >> so once this position became open, i expressed my interest to the mayor's office, as i do think i can make an impact here. and the office was kind enough to recommend me for this position.

>> sorry. so that -- sorry, chair peskin. >> chairman: no problem. >> the answer to the question is: you resigned from the c.a.c. because you were going to go through this commission appointment instead? >> coarect. >> okay. thank you, chair peskin. >> chairman: thank you. so, listen, i think the s.f. p.u.c. is very important, particularly given the scale and magnitude of things that are intimately expected to environmental justice, the rebuilding of the sewage treatment facilities in the southeast corner of the city, and it sounds like where you started. and it sounds like there are plenty of years left on that. it sounds like there is a vacancy there. and, frankly, i would like to see somebody appointed

to the commission on the environment who has a stronger demonstrated track record on environmental issues, and is representative of communities that are disproportionately impacted by the environmental crises that we're facing, representation from the american india cultural or other the pipeline coalition or something like that. those are my thoughts for my remaining colleague as to item number 6. i appreciate, you know, the fact that you put your name forward and want to serve on this body, but i think that after just three meetings of the s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c., which mr. hunter was appointed only six months ago, that that term -- after six months, that just doesn't

seem to be a sufficient amount of time at that particular body. so would be prepared to make a motion, first, to, in both items, to strike the "whereas" provision that mr. philpo brought up with regard to the retirement process, the motion that the board of supervisors have, make a motion to strike that in both items 6 and 7. and in item 6, to delete the word "approving" in the title at line three and delete the word "approves" in line 17. and do the converse in item 7, which is in line three to delete the word "rejecting" in line three, and delete the word "rejects" in line 17. i would like to encompass all of that in a motion that we would send with

recommendation, if that meets with supervisor chan's concurrence. supervisor chan? >> chair peskin, i think, yeah -- i think what is troublesome to me, if i may be very frank, is the s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c. is a very critical body. i cannot imagine how supervisor sophie maxwell could ever shut down the marin power plant without s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c. it worked because of the body, and i think, chair peskin, i'm going to date ourselves, reminding us of joe boss, who was really an advocate, and many of those folks that came through that s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c., including appointee maria, who is on that, and how critical s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c. is, and

it is hard for me to think mr. hunter, because somehow you think that a commission on the environment is more critical than the s.f. p.u.c. c.a.c. body leaves me some doubt about your commitment and your understanding, i think, most importantly, bow the about the work that needs to bedone on the ground level, in understanding the commitment and the connection that we need with the community on the ground to understand environmental justice issues. so i am with chair peskin today. and i really hope that you will continue, though, your commitment to the work on environmental issues and find and identify ways to really connect with the community on the ground level. level and in your day to day, or in

your volunteer capacity. thank you. >> thank you both for being candid in your remarks. of course, i make myself available prior to the board of supervisors' meetings to have longer discussions about these issues and hopefully prior to these meetings, we can meet to go more indepth on some of these topics. >> chairman: thank you, mr. hunter. on that motion, a roll call, please, mr. young. >> clerk: yes. on the motion to amend. >> chairman: it's the motion to amend both yoims itemswith the removal of the retirement board clause and to remove the words "approve" in item 6 and "reject" in item 7, and to

send it as amended, and we can wrap it up in one motion. roll call, please. >> clerk: supervisor mandelman is excused. supervisor chan? >> aye. >> clerk: chair peskin? >> chairman: aye. >> clerk: the motion passes with supervisor mandelman being excused. >> chairwoman: we are adjourned. thank you, supervisor mandelman, thank you supervisor chan, thank you commissioner wong. [meeting adjourned at

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>> flyshaker pool was a public pool located on sloat boulevard near great highway. it operated from 1925 to 1971 and was one of the largest pools in the world.

after decades of use, less people visited. the pool deteriorated and was demolished in 2000. built by herbert flyshaker, pumps from the pacific ocean that were filtered and heated filled the pool. aside from the recreational activities, many schools held swim meets there. the delia flyshaker memorial building was on the west side of the pool. it had locker rooms with a sun room and mini hospital. in 1995, a storm damaged one of the pipes that flowed to the ocean. maintenance was not met, and the pool had to close. in 1999, the pool was filled

with sand and gravel. in 2000, the space became a spot for the san francisco zoo. these are some memories that many families remember swimming at flyshaker pool.

. >> clerk: fire commission meeting may 26, 2021, and the time is 5:03. this meeting is being held via teleconferencing. this meeting is being held via webex. during the coronavirus disease emergency, the fire commission's regular meeting room at city hall is closed and remote fire commission meetings will convene remotely. you may watch remotely at

www.sfgovtv.org, and to participate via phone call 415-655-0001 and use access code 187-603-1257. members of the public will have the opportunity to participant via public comment. comments will be addressed in the order they are received. when the moderator announces that they are taking public comment, members of the public can raise their hand by pressing star, three and you will be queued. callers will hear silence when waiting for your turn to speak. then operator will unmute you. the callers will have the standard three minutes to provide comment. ensure you are in a quiet

location, speak clearly, and turnoff any radios or t.v.s around you. item one, roll call. [roll call]

>> clerk: item 2, general public comment. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commission's jurisdiction that does not appear on the agenda. speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department personnel. commissioners are not to enter into debate or discussion with a speaker. the lack of a response by the commissioners or department personnel does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during public comment. >> president feinstein: all right. madam secretary, do we have any public comment? >> clerk: we do not have -- let me see. we do not have any public comment. >> president feinstein: all right. then public comment will be closed. please call the next item. >> clerk: item three, approval

of the minutes. discussion and possible action to approve meeting minutes of the regular meeting of may 12, 2021. >> president feinstein: all right. any proposed modifications to the draft minutes? [inaudible] >> president feinstein: i'm hearing something faintly, but maybe that's just me. i can't quite hear it. am i missing something? madam secretary? >> clerk: did you want to make a comment? >> commissioner covington: this is still commissioner covington on the line.

>> clerk: did you wish to make any changes to the minutes? >> commissioner covington: not at all. i'll move the minutes. >> commissioner cleaveland: second. >> president feinstein: thank you. commissioner cleaveland accepted the second. >> clerk: i'll do a roll call vote. [roll call] >> clerk: it's unanimous. >> president feinstein: thank you. >> clerk: item four, chief of department's report. report from chief of department, jeanine nicholson, on current issues, activities, and events within the department since the fire commission meeting on may 12, 2021, including budget, academies, special events, communications, and outreach to other government agencies and the public, and report from administration, deputy chief jose velo on the administrative division, fleet and facility status and updates, finance,

support services, and training within the department. >> president feinstein: chief. >> thank you. good evening, president feinstein, commissioners, command staff. chief jeanine nicholson. let me acknowledge that deputy chief mark [inaudible] is not here tonight. sitting in is deputy chief thompson tonight. thank you, deputy chief thompson. let me start with some important dating coming up. on memorial day, i will be headed up to lincoln to speak at a memorial for firefighter

steven brantley, who died a few weeks ago. memorial day is the day that we lost two firefighters two years ago at 133 berkeley way. all of you should have received an invitation to a ceremony we will be having at station 26. we will be doing things that day. at 9:00 a.m., we will be having an announcement date on our radio. all our units and all our stations to ring the chaplain's bell and have a few moments of silence, and we have drills for that day that are related to this fire incident. june 15, you will also,

commissioners, receive an invitation to the unveiling of [inaudible] jason cortez' name at headquarters. his family will be present. we've been in touch with his wife, and they will be here. it will not be a huge crowd, but we will have folks from station three and some others, but it won't be -- won't be a giant crowd. june 23 may be the ribbon cutting, although it may have changed, for the annual ambulance ceremony. that may not even be the right date is what i'm hearing, so more to follow on that, but the e.m.s. is currently working out of the new station 49, the new

a.b.f. graduation for our recruit class is scheduled for june 25. it will be at the scottish rites temple, and you will receive an invite to that, as well. this friday, i will be attending, with captain brent peoples, the city e.m.t. graduation, and that is a program that i've talked about several of bringing city kids in -- ad-risk city kids and giving them wrap-around services as well as an e.m.t. class and the opportunity to get their e.m.t. class, and then, some of them will be coming to work with us as interns, paid internship on the ambulance, to more to follow on that, but that graduation is coming up this friday.

june is pride month. on june 7, the mayor is going to be holding a ceremony raising the pride flag at city hall, and i will be attending that. and we're working on a video to send to our members celebrating diversity in the department, and this past week, i met with clair farley, who is the director of the office of transgender initiatives, to discuss ways in which we can work together. it was a really productive meeting, and i look forward to working with her in the future, and happy pride month, everybody, really soon. i want to thank everyone for putting out a newsletter up

there. the doctor and staff are doing a great job, and it's really appreciated. on may 25, i met with the black firefighters association to ensure the success of our recruits. we're talking about doing some mentorship and some other things, and our recruitment process, as well. right now, for i believe it's three days this week, we have many of our own firefighters, a diverse group of firefighters who are speaking with applicants for the h.q. position similar to what happened last year, and they will be passing those recommendations onto my office. we will be having another class in august, hopefully 36, but

still to be determined. we also are looking at having an em.t. class -- upcoming e.m.t. class between 20 and 25 members. we have so many new programs that we are working on, and, you know, and our call volume continues to rise, so we really need more graduates in the class of 25. okay. that's great. okay. so here's some really good news. yesterday, the board of supervisors passed the option to purchase agreements for the prior training facility property site at terrell

avenue. that will take several years with ceqa, so we went with the option with the lease to purchase. if the port piece of property falls through, we can just walk away from this lease agreement, but i have high hopes, and it should be approximately seven

or eight acres overall that we will be looking at getting, and i'll continue to keep you updated on this, but it is moving along, and it is going to take some time, but i am really proud of all the folks that have worked so hard on this, some who are here and some who aren't here. and then, we are in the final weeks of working on the mayor's budget. i will be going to that event, and once it's introduced to the mayor, it goes before the board of supervisors for discussion and presentation. right now, we are scheduled to present to the board on june 17, and then, a week later, on june 24, and in june, director

corso can present what will be presented to the board of supervisors, and i will be reaching out to many of the supervisors in the coming weeks. as you know, we are initially asked to cut 7.5% and an additional 2.5%, and that is no longer the case. we will, at the very least, remain whole, but we do have some additions in the budget that i'm hoping we will get through the board of supervisors for stuff that we really, really need. so more to follow on that, and that is all i have on that right now. thank you very much. >> clerk: you're on mute.

>> cannot hear you. >> clerk: we've unmuted you. >> president feinstein: i'm muted. was i okay? >> clerk: yeah. >> president feinstein: it's chief velo. he muted me -- just kidding. anybody have any questions -- i have a question for the chief, but does any other commissioner have a question for the chief? vice president rodriguez? good evening. >> commissioner rodriguez: good evening. chief, thank you for the report. a lot of tough coming up, and exciting. this is really simple. i think it was just a typo, but you know the resolution on page 4, for the property, it said there at the very bottom of page 4, whereas the option agreement the city will pay the owner $15,000 beginning june 1 until may 31, i think that

should be flopped around or something. i don't know -- i don't think it's written in stone. >> yeah, may 31, 2022 is what it should say. >> okay. i thought i -- >> thank you for that, and yes, i will get that to them. >> commissioner rodriguez: okay. thank you for your report. >> president feinstein: very keen eye, vice president. thank you. >> clerk: he has keen eyes. >> president feinstein: he has keen eyes. any other questions for the chief? commissioner nakajo? >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, president feinstein, and thank you, chief nicholson, for your report. you mentioned that there was going to be another class.

could you please share what the timeline is on that, please? >> yes. that should be in august. >> commissioner nakajo: is that something that's going to happen or is that projected? >> mark corso, can you speak to that? director corso? >> thank you, chief. good evening, commissioners. yes, so that is anticipated to occur in august. part of that group of employees is a piece of the s.a.f.e.r. grant that we were recently awarded. due to social distancing rules, we weren't allowed to expand the size of the academy. that's why we were at approximately 25 people, i believe. so we were funded for 36 employees, so those remaining employees will be part of this coming h.d.o. academy. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you very much, director corso.

one more question through you, madam president. chief of department, you mentioned how you were going to do and your members of recruitment, sounds like the individual members in the stations are doing that. did we or don't we have a recruitment coordinator, or how does this work? >> so the work that has worked, that position is not currently filled, and we are looking at the racial equity action plan in terms of how to grow that out, and we've asked for some things in the budget, so we're -- it's a work in progress, and right now, what's happening is we have our members in groups of three, as -- if you like panels, and they are meeting with prospective future firefighters with applicants, and they meet

with them, and, you know, ask them some questions, have a conversation, and then, they recommend to my office if they believe that person would be a good fit as a firefighter. now i want you to know that these -- these panels are extremely diverse, both culturally, racially, and gender wise, so it is a good cross section of the department, and we did this last time, as well, and you can see, you know, this last class, we've got 23 out of 25 who's made it through, and it's a really good group of folks, and i think we got really good candidates this way, and -- and a very diverse group of candidates, as well. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. thank you very much, chief. so i begin to comprehend that

we're still doing two men on our level, and that the recruitment coordinator position is still yet to be filled, so i'm assuming -- [inaudible] >> commissioner nakajo: that's all that i have at this point. thank you, chief nicholson. >> thank you. >> president feinstein: any other commissioners with any questions? ah, thank you, commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: thank you, madam president. i was finally able to get into the live meeting, a real person. i don't have any questions, but i just want to, again, send appreciation to the team that put the deal together for the new training facility. we have been on pins and

needles for years, wondering, you know, after our eviction from treasure island, where the training facility would be, so it is a tremendous relief, and i hope that all of the remaining negotiations go along swimmingly, so thank everyone for that. no questions for the chief. you're muted, madam president. >> president feinstein: thank you. thank you kindly. commissioner cleaveland? >> commissioner cleaveland: madam president, thank you. chief, good to see you this afternoon. quick question on the recruitment. are we still doing national testing to create any kind of list? do we -- are we working off an existing list? what's going on with that testing program? >> yeah, that testing program is constantly happening, and

what happens is we determine a date that we want to pull the list, and then we get all those candidates off of that -- also off of that list, and that's how we begin. but we also are having conversations with the public safety testing unit about switching to a different test because my understanding, the n.t.m., it's nationwide, and it does have an impact on certain people, specifically, black, african american, and women, so we are looking to switch to -- of course i can't remember the initials now? sctc? sctc? yeah, we're looking to switch

to sctc, which is california based and does not have that disparate impact, so we're meeting with the sctc testing team inside d.h.r. now. >> commissioner cleaveland: thank you. no more questions, madam president. thank you. >> president feinstein: thank you. i have a couple of questions for the chief, but if there are any other commissioners that wish to ask questions. i'm scanning my screen here for hands, and i'm not seeing any, so chief i'm going to go ahead. two quick questions here. one is regarding the training center, and i really do want to commend all of those who worked on this, because boy, what an act of labor that was to secure

the property, to go through what needed to be gone through, what lays ahead. i really need to commend you for a great situation. as everyone knows, san francisco doesn't have a lot of land. has a lot of buildings, a lot of things to catch fire. we've got a lot of emergency medical situations, but land, we don't have, so securing this really is going to be phenomenal, especially given the time and what its intended use is, so that's my comment. my question is this: when i look at the property, from what i've seen, it appears that the port portion of the property, it's, like, a weird triangle,

you know, on one side. i don't think it's on carroll avenue. anybody feel free to jump in and correct me, but there's, like, a triangle that i can't much is useful for much to the port, and i'm not sure what their opinions are or feelings are about this property or what it could possibly be used for, given its strange shape and location. that's question one. do you have any knowledge about that or thoughts about it -- or does anybody else? i don't mean to just put it on you, chief. >> thank you, president feinstein. yes, it is a strange set up there with that triangular piece of property. we do need it for the training

center to be effective, and frankly, i don't believe the port would be using it for anything. i mean, they haven't been, so i feel like this is a win-win for everyone. you know, we get that property, and obviously, they have to report to the state lands commission. it can't just be given to us, and they have to go through the legislature. all of those ducks are in a row. it's being set up to make it that way. but i don't think there's really any access to it, either. >> president feinstein: i would ask that if you would come

forward and if the commission in the future can be of any assistance. i do know what the process is for using -- not using, but acquiring or utilizing, i should say, port property, and if the commission can be of any assistance, i think that -- i'm just speaking for myself, but also for my fellow commissioners, i understand why you need that one triangle out of the parcel, and i hope you would come forward and ask us if you need any help with that because the process is brutal, and i know that, and probably unnecessarily so, but it is. and, you know, you -- i think we probably would all agree that this is a necessity, and

we would all be willing to go to bat for the department if that's necessary. >> yes, thank you very much. as i said, we've got all our ducks in a row, and we are expediting this process with ceqa as well as, you know, state lands and the state legislature. we're getting it added to an omnibus bill. so we're dealing with so many different entities, but we are managing to juggle them all, and, you know, we've had a great partner in the department of real estate. enrico pena and elaine forbes and everybody have put their

heart into this. we are expediting this because we only have a year to get that done, and typically, it would take much longer than that, and typically, we are expecting to get that done in less than a year. >> president feinstein: if i can just follow up with one question, chief, do you believe that all the obstacles -- and i'm using that word carefully but accurately, i think, that obtaining and utilizing the property as part of the port training center has at least been identified, and have the obstacles that need to be overcome pursuant to you've got state land. i don't know if you've got bcdc, what -- i know this is along the old yosemite slough.

i don't know if you've got it figured out or you've got a strategy to deal with each of them. that piece of property cannot be of any use to the port whatsoever, so to me, it's selling a car without tires or without wheels, but i want to make sure that if there's anything we can do, we do that as a commission. >> thank you, president feinstein. we are squared away and dialed in, and we know exactly the steps we need to take. we've identified the potential obstacles and we've been really proactive in speaking with folks at the state, at state lands commission, the

lobbyists, i mean everybody. we've spoken to everybody and identified all the potential obstacles, and yeah. we have a good strategy moving forward, and it has, you know, begun to be implemented, and really, ceqa is the biggest hurdle. but we've already submitted that paperwork, so the planning department is working on it, and they know it is a priority for us, so all -- all systems are go right now, and if we come into any troubles or challenges with anything, i will be reaching out to you if there is anything that you all can do for us. . >> president feinstein: please do, please do, because we stand ready to assist. all right.

i think we're looking at my agenda here. probably should have done this first -- oh. >> clerk: i'm here. >> president feinstein: sorry. i'm looking at a number of you. i apologize. and we did not take public comment on this. that was my fault, not the -- >> clerk: it's okay. we're still on the same item number, so there is nobody on the call-in line. >> president feinstein: lucky for me because i would have messed it up otherwise. okay. so public comment will be closed, and if we can have the next item, please. >> clerk: and that would be report from administration, deputy chief jose velo. >> good evening, president feinstein, vice president

rodriguez. vice chief velo, and this is my report that highlights the events happening in april and some other events, too. let's start with the training division. extremely busy in the training division. we have secured many opportunities for our members to train, and due to the uwase funding, many trainings were free to our members. [inaudible] taught by one of our members, and next week, we're holding one class on the firefighter federal rights, so we've been very proactive to get all the training classes

that we have. the interest is definitely there, so we continue to do that. on the 27 academy, as you know, 35 recruits remain. week 16 out of 20, and we're very confident that they'll complete the academy on june 25. what we do now as we complete the training for the sffd training and protocols, there is state training that the firefighters need to be certified by the state fire marshal right now. wildlife training, survival training, and that's what's going on at this time. there's some pictures of recruits doing p.t. we also had a day where we had pg&e's emergency response and how do we do that?

we had a propane tank exploded there and how do we deal with that? we have a new prop in the bottom right picture. it's actually a prop that we can assemble, dissemble any time. the next thing is practicing on a roof without being on a real roof before we go into a building and prothat, so that's also on folsom street. we practiced the engine class, which is the class for a [inaudible] to take an engine

on a job. they're back practicing skills, and they're very happy to be able to do that, especially with the new academy. they're there. commissioner feinstein, you almost made it to this. occasionally, we get some structures that members of the public will offer to us for demo before their remodelling purposes, and through the real estate department and us, we were able to sign agreements that we can use it, practicing our skills. in this case, we're practicing our ventilation skills, and securing a victim from the roof, so it's very helpful to do it on actual structures, so i want to commend them to that

and the training team, the effort that they did to put this together. our effort continues to do drills, focus on some medical training, c.p.r. training, critical care transport training so they continue to do the required drills. this is the time of year, even though wild land fire season has started, we have almost 200 folks that are trained to go on [inaudible] deployments. so every year, they are required to go to this annual training. we put them in different parts of the city, mclaren park, and we put them through things that they have to do. we go on engine six training, and this is our main vehicle that will be used for wild land training. this was provided free by the assistant in order to assist the state in times of need, so

there is continuous weekly training for those folks. there's a required training that they have to have. and this month, also, this happens to be the month that we also do the drills for the season. it's our serve rescue training, and in addition, we also have i.c.s. rescue training, which includes the chief officers inside and outside, how to rescue the incidents from a highly, highly risky evolution from the water here or on ocean beach. recently, we had a transbay two training. [inaudible] weekends in a row. we do it in the middle of the night on a saturday and sunday morning, do a transbay training drill, where we simulate an incident with the transbay two and the b.a.r.t. train, and

last year, the chief of oakland was able to attend on the other end, so we communicate with each other and know exactly what to do in the case of our events. so we never stop training. this is our life, and we do it all the time. hazmat. all members that are hazmat certified, they have to go to training every year, and you can see the uniforms that they wear that protect them from any incidents. so you can see that it's been an extremely busy month. our nert teams -- if you recall, april 24 was nert appreciation week, and we're very appreciative for the nert volunteers and all the work that they do. this is just an example of the tremendous work that all these folks are doing.

even [inaudible] notice of when vaccinations were coming to the island. whether it's earthquake or any hazard, they come and help out all the time. chief parks from the wild land division has been extremely busy. some of the topics that he's focusing on, peer support training, community health and safety meetings. we do an occupational health and safety roundtable meeting we hold on a monthly basis. we do some osha updates and just being extremely busy. in addition, working with the doctor's office on many things, you're going to see a slide that chief nicholson and director's office put together.

we [inaudible] supporting the vaccinations and also crisis response teams are responding to those who need vaccinated. we go to them instead of them coming to us. director's office, the vaccination centers. 87% of members are vaccinated, so it's creeping up. in april, we had no new cases.

after hour, our division chief conduct tests, and they all tested negative, too. chief with has been very busy. most of the requests were for plumbing again. that's an issue that we have, again, with our old plumbing, but we also completed 169 service orders, so we're really streamlining the process.

station 49 update, but as you heard from the chief, the folks from 49 already moved in may 10. we'll have a final ribbon cutting in mid-june. station 35, president feinstein, i wanted to let you know about this. so the electrical work has started. we have six bolts that have been connected for the pg&e connection to go into the p.u.c. connection to go into station 35, so that work is on going. there's only one bolt that's on what's called the pothole stage. that's digging in and looking at what's in there.

[inaudible] and some of the other perspectives on the station, so it's going to be a beautiful building, and we're looking forward to that. the captain has been extremely busy. we have finalized the mutual buggy layer. there was a delay on the chassis to arrive, and now we're looking at mid point inspection of the vehicle in june. there was a delay at the factory for luciana ferrara, and so we're waiting for those to come. we're asking if it goes beyond the year, make sure we get the extended warrant. we'll push for that, obviously, and we have some cargo plans that have been submitted to us

here for review. i want to commend captain chris vaughn and the folks at space station 16, lieutenant [inaudible] has been working on this and travelled to seattle to make sure that this vehicle was appropriate for us, and it was transported either today or tomorrow and will provide tomorrow. as you recall, we have a study that's in the draft stage and final draft submitted to the board of supes on the visibility of the water station on the pump side. we have several exercises with p.u.c. basically creating a water scenario. what interactions between fire and p.u.c. to address any of the issues that may happen, like 89 where the mains broke?

it's really good we continue to do those, and we have people coming in from the fields. major incident, we're going to have to [inaudible] if we have one, chief connor can not be [inaudible] and the role that we established with chief connor on major, major events go to the water department's operations center to forward operations there. and with that, we continue to update our protocols with those two agencies. and i want to finish our report to remind everybody about e.m.s. week, and i want to remind everyone of the hard work of station 49 and the hard work of all the stations that we have. it's just one week, but command

staff appreciation them all year. this year has been really, really challenging for all of them, and it's put a strain on them, not just physically, but mentally, and i want to conclude my report with that. so if you have any questions, i'm happy to answer them. >> president feinstein: commissioners? i see commissioner cleaveland? >> commissioner cleaveland: madam president, thank you, chief velo, for your report. very comprehensive and as usual, appreciated. i have a question that could be directed to chief dewitt because it's going to deal with facility maintenance issues.

i wonder if we as a department could put deadlines on when a project needs to be completed, like a plumbing project that we're waiting for labor. i see it hear, fire station 28 waiting for labor from d.p.w. can't we tell the public works department that it needs to be completed within a month or two weeks, some kind of deadline, so that if it doesn't get done by them within a certain amount of time, we will go out and get a qualified bid from a qualified contractor already registered with the city? >> so i will ask chief dewitt, but on station 49, that work has already been completed, so that's good news. we have to go first to d.p.w. and if they don't have labor,

then, we go to that. we have to go through this process. chief dewitt? >> a.d.c. support services dawn dewitt. yes, commissioner cleaveland. we actually are working pretty closely with d.p.w. i have no complaints with plumbing. their turnaround time has been very good with us. the communication has been excellent. they've really stepped up their communication. the station 21 work, we did have a timeline. they actually finished early, and then because they were underbid, they were able to replace more of the lines than just the one sewer main, so we have a lot of the laterals replaced. [inaudible] is different. they don't have the availability, so we've been working closely with them and if they can't finish a project in an appropriate timeline, they are releasing work so we

can go out and get outside bits. i'm asking that we get quotes for work so we don't get a surprise bill at the end of a project for tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars without having anticipated that. we go through the list each month, and if they just can't get to that, they are readily releasing work for the few outside vendors that we have to complete some projects, so that pretty is moving pretty well right now. >> i'm very glad to hear that, cleve dewitt, very glad. our firefighters and paramedics don't have to live with toilets that don't work or plumbing back ups for undue lengths of time, so that's good news. i'm delighted to hear that public works is working with us instead of against us. >> yeah, the emergencying

repairs are always dealt with very timely. they come out after hours. they will set aside work. any kind of sewage work, they come out immediately, so happy with that. >> commissioner cleaveland: good to know. i noticed on the hvac, you said a quote was denied for fire station 17 on a turnout drying home heater. what does that mean when you deny a quote? >> so they had -- so this one room in the station where members hang their turnout coats to dry, and historically, it's sometimes been the boiler room. it's not very common that we have drying rooms. the drying heater is an obsolete heater. it's gas, so looking to replace that for the amount of money that they'd quoted us, i'd like to see if there's an electrical option that we can do for less money. and it made sense to include

that portion in an entire package, rather than just one piece at a time as they had been doing, so i just want to see if there are other alternatives that don't cost as much as one small heater that we could use a space heater with a fan rather than using $10,000 to replace a heater to use in one room. >> commissioner cleaveland: so how does that work? >> so they use space heaters. in the past, they've used space heaters. in the boiler room, traditionally, that's when we used to hang our turnouts to dry. >> commissioner cleaveland: i was amused to read your pest

station record, station 26, having to abate raccoons from a housing generator. >> they're everywhere. >> commissioner cleaveland: that was very funny. i imagine rats or mice, but raccoons? that's interesting. under -- >> president feinstein: commissioner cleaveland, i have lots of them around here. any time. >> commissioner cleaveland: not in my backyard. any way, dealing with painting the red curb at fire station number nine, you put in a request of how long does it take them to come out and paint -- put some red paint on the curb? >> that one is done, so it was within a week or so. they were quick with that one. >> commissioner cleaveland: okay. work pending, so it's been done. good. >> yes, sir. >> commissioner cleaveland: all right. 'cause i was going to say, let's get some red paint and

give it to the firefighters and have them do it themselves. move a lot faster. dealing with the fleet management logistics report from captain serrano, the host tender bid is complete, but it's in a protest phase. what does that mean? >> so commissioner, there were two manufacturers that bid. it was awarded to one of them, and the other one protested, basically saying that the terms of the bid -- it's just a tactic of competition. we're very confident that that's not going to go anywhere, and the prevailing bid will be the winning bid, but this is a process that we have to go through. >> commissioner cleaveland: it holds up the process is what you're saying. >> unfortunately, yeah, but we

don't think it's going to be too long. >> commissioner cleaveland: you talk about new ambulance specs and researching some multiple options, what kind of ambulance specs are we looking at for our department? >> so right now, we have a van chassis. basically, a box put inside a van, and we are changing brakes on that more frequently, much more than anything else. in the past, there's been some cracks to the [inaudible] itself, too, and the chassis. so what other agencies have is a truck chassis. it's a truck chassis with a box mounted on it [inaudible] and we're looking at what options we have for that. that's the two options that we have for ambulances, a van chassis -- it's amazing how

fast those brakes go on a van than we can save much more money and time being out of service on a truck chassis when they're out of service. >> commissioner cleaveland: i'm delighted, chief, that you have the paramedics and e.m.t.s that drive the ambulances in this conversation and how we created the next generation, if you will, of ambulances. [inaudible] >> -- but we also have drivers on the engines that drive the specs for future engines, too, so absolutely very important. >> commissioner cleaveland: last question, and is dealing with the awss system. and we received a letter that -- this week from one individual that talked about using salt water for an

emergency through the awss system, and my question is, i know that it is damaging to use salt water as opposed to fresh water, but if we do use salt water, we can flush the system out, correct, and still use the awss system in the future. it's not ruined by using salt water, is that correct? >> that statement is correct, and we indeed use salt water drawn from the bay. this particular process that you're talking about is what we've been working with chief [inaudible] on and will be presented to the board of supervisors by june 30. it's a study of whether it's feasible, financially or otherwise, for pump stations. [inaudible] presented to the board. so it's required by the grand jury report, and it's being

done, and chief o'connor, you may add something to it, but as you'll recall from his presentation last time, it's extremely [inaudible] but just the cost of it is not really practical. chief o'connor? >> commissioner cleaveland: all right. chief, thank you very much for your response, and madam president, that's all my questions. >> president feinstein: thank you very much. any -- ah, vice president rodriguez, please. thank you. >> commissioner rodriguez: chief velo, thank you for your report. i've got a question. i think i brought this up last month, regarding the emergency firefighting water system. you know, there's some work

being done on claren street over by the ballpark, and there's another on vicente street, but this one says firefighting water system will be installed as a change order. and reading change orders all my life, change orders cost money. i'm just wondering, if this was being done already, why is it -- if we knew the work is happening, why was it all of a sudden the -- why was it put in as a change order? >> thank you, vice president, for your question. i will tell you that the work that's being done for the [inaudible] system is actually done by p.u.c., so this is -- you're talking about the vicente pipeline?

>> commissioner rodriguez: correct. >> i'm not sure where it happened, but it's not coming from us, it's coming from p.u.c. chief, you want to add something to it? >> sure. [inaudible] so instead of digging the street up twice, we started putting piping down for the new efws system going forward, so it's actually a cost saving system if there was one. >> commissioner rodriguez: i didn't know there was one. that's it for me. >> president feinstein: that's news to you, isn't it, vice president? >> commissioner rodriguez: yeah. i've never heard that before. >> president feinstein: do any of the other commissioners -- right now, i'm just -- my computer skills are limited. i can only see commissioner cleaveland and commissioner

rodriguez and a few members of the command staff. >> commissioner covington: madam president, i would like to say something. >> president feinstein: okay. commissioner covington, thank you. you popped up. thank you. >> commissioner covington: thank you. okay. so thanks for the report. things are moving right along, which is always nice to know. chief velo, i wanted you to give us a little bit more about the fleet disorders work that's being done and the shift work and how that impacts people, and then, i also saw that there was a meeting and video interview about sleep, so can you give us some more information about that? >> thank you for your question, commissioner covington. absolutely. as you'll recall, one of the goals of the administration with the new doctor is just

focus on some health and wellness issues for the members, and she's been working really hard to identify some of those issues that can affect basically the health and -- of our members. >> commissioner covington: dr. brokaw. >> yes, dr. brokaw. so through this, all the q&a and webinars, she contacted a doctor that specialized in sleep disorders. i don't want to ruin the video that you're going to be sent in the next few days, but she sent all the questions to a doctor to answer all of these issues. what it is is shift work, 24-hours work disrupts your sleep rhythms, and how you can do that. and also, those folks that have sleep apnea, what can they do

to help themselves and adjust to that 24-hour shift. so it's about 35 minutes of q&a from the doctor to chief parks, so we're really thankful that she's reaching out to other areas, not just focusing on just getting back to work issues but health and wellness issues, working with chief parks, identifying education, what can we do to help them out, and information is always valuable for our board members, so that's basically what that's about, commissioner covington. >> commissioner covington: okay. because that's good because good sleep or sleep in general impacts everyone's quality of life. anyone who's ever had a newborn knows about that. sleep deprivation is not fun, so i'm glad to see the emphasis on this, and you say that we will be receiving a video? >> yes. i'm working with chief parks

and chief [inaudible] who put together a video on how to deliver it. we also have an internal video process that we're doing, and you can actually load it up on your phone and play it, so you'll be seeing in the next couple of days a link from the doctor for the video. so we can't enjoy the disruptions from the 24-hour shift or a call in the middle of the night, but we can recover from that disruption. >> commissioner covington: yeah. that's better than each individual doing what they think might be helpful. okay. i will stop there, chief velo.

>> thanks. >> commissioner covington: thank you, chief velo. >> president feinstein: thank you, commissioner covington. further questions from any of the commissioners? madam secretary, you'll let me know if i'm missing anything. i have a big jose velo, and a few small people, but no commissioners. >> clerk: okay. nobody's raising their hand, and there's nobody on the public call-in line. >> president feinstein: well, there you go, and now i have a small chief velo there, and we're going to close public comment, and i think we are ready to move onto the next item. madam secretary, thank you. >> clerk: item five, commission report. report on commission activities since last meeting of may 12, 2021. >> president feinstein: all right. commissioners -- wait, first. do i need public comment first,

madam secretary? >> clerk: there is no one on the public comment line. >> president feinstein: also, how would they know what they did? but any way, i'll continue on. commissioners, do any of you have anything to report? i'm sorry, maureen, i can see commissioner rodriguez and commissioner covington and not my fellow commissioners. >> clerk: commissioner nakajo has his hand up. >> president feinstein: okay. commissioner nakajo, with my apologies, and i'm not sure why i couldn't see your hand up. please. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you, madam president. i'm not sure if i'm coming through clearly, but i have a question through to the commission secretary -- >> commissioner covington: commissioner nakajo, could you speak up, please? >> commissioner nakajo: i'm having problems with my microphone and the whole connection piece. can you hear me in.

>> commissioner covington: oh, i see. you're faint, but we can hear you. >> commissioner nakajo: you're breaking up, as well. >> president feinstein: i'm sorry, i can't. it's -- for some reason, it seems to be very interrupted. i don't know if i'm the only person. i'll leave it to my fellow commissioners, but i can't hear -- i can't hear it cogently. [inaudible] >> clerk: it sounds like he's talking underwater. >> commissioner covington: we've lost video, too. oh, there he is. >> president feinstein: oh, there he is, good. we see you, commissioner nakajo. >> commissioner nakajo: still have a problem with the video. so if you can hear me, i'll ask

my question, if not, i'll forgo. >> commissioner covington: i can hear you. >> president feinstein: i can hear you, to. >> commissioner nakajo: okay. basically, what i was asking, commission secretary, is there any word on when we would return to the office? >> clerk: no, there is not. from what i understand, it's probably going to be more towards the end of the year. >> commissioner nakajo: [inaudible] fortunate to be able to connect to the meeting, but i've been experiencing lots of problems with connections as you all have. thank you. >> if i may, madam president, i believe it is planned for september for meetings to go back to city hall if all goes well, but i can get you more

information on that. >> president feinstein: thank you. it's much appreciated. i realize things are still in flux, but to the extend that you still have information, chief, and can share it with us, i think that'll be helpful for everybody's planning purposes. >> president feinstein: am i missing any other commissioners that wish to report on their activity? >> clerk: no, nobody has their hand up. >> president feinstein: okay. i do. now i do. i -- i -- i did have the opportunity to do a couple of things, and i'll work backwards here. i -- i, in golden gate park yesterday, was able to see for the first time, the 6 engine yesterday and training with the captain and working, you know,

the hydrants. yeah, i've only seen those vehicles, you know, in pictures and what-have-you, but they were out there and in training, and it was impressive, so i was pleased to stumble upon them and of course inserted myself immediately for a tutorial and learned how they differ from regular equipment, so it was very helpful to me. i really appreciated it, so i wanted to just comment upon that. i also hope to attend the -- a search training this weekend. i know it's more than search

and rescue friday, but i'm looking forward to that since i've been a person that's really -- it surprises me the number of surf rescues that we get. it just knocks my socks off, so surf rescue, i'm looking forward to be able to attend that training. and i had one question. perhaps it's not fair to you, chief, but i wonder, from based on what was included in your report on the vaccination rate of the members, if we're going to become maskless, so to

speak, on june 15, is there any concern about those members that have not been vaccinated, and do we have any idea why they're hesitating to get vaccinated? the rest of us are clamoring, clamoring, clamoring, and we have members of the department that are exposed more significantly than any of us are, and they're not getting vaccinated. do you have any thoughts on that that you can share? >> so thank you, president. we're going to follow city d.p.h. guidelines which follows california d.p.h. guidelines, and also, we have cal-osha to deal with. so cal-osha is not forcing vaccinations yet, but they're

not lifting the mask mandates yet. so once we get the guidelines from the city, we're going to see what we're going to get. in answering the question about why members aren't getting vaccinated, it's a personal choice. as you have heard maybe, from santa clara county, it's a different county, but they're asking for the [inaudible] there yet, and my understanding is that city d.p.h. is not going to that yet, from what i understand, so we'll keep track of that and let you know. >> president feinstein: and one more thing. the vaccination rate is concerning. it's low enough that it's

concerning. can the department, in and of itself, institute a mask mandate within the station? >> that's a good question. we'll have to rely, again, on public health, to give us some guidance on that, too. at this time, we have approximately 242 members that are not vaccinated and they said they will not get vaccinated. we can err on the side of health in order to protect our members and cal-osha mandates that, we'll have to abide by that until otherwise told, but other than that, we cannot risk the lives of our members, but other than that, we have to follow our guidelines. >> president feinstein: okay. i understand. thank you for that. that is all i have. do we have further comments,

madam secretary? >> clerk: i don't see anybody waving or have their hands up. >> president feinstein: thank you. okay. so we may call the next item. >> clerk: item six, agenda for next and future fire commission meetings. >> president feinstein: all right. again, madam secretary, i'm not quite sure why -- i do have this on grid mode -- ah, i see commissioner covington and commissioner -- [inaudible] >> commissioner covington: thank you, madam president. okay. thank you, madam president. i know that we were able to have the head of m.t.a. and some key staff members come to our -- i guess it was our last meeting or the meeting before last, and i guess a number of

us didn't get a chance to ask questions and to give input into slow streets specifically, and i do believe the head of m.t.a. intimated that he would be, you know, happy to come back at another time since we had run out of time. so i don't want too much time to pass before we issue another invitation to come, and we will be more mindful of the time that he is able to spend with us next time around. >> president feinstein: all right. thank you. thank you. >> commissioner covington: thank you. >> president feinstein: and, again -- >> clerk: commissioner rodriguez has his hand up. >> president feinstein: thank you. commissioner rodriguez, please. >> commissioner rodriguez: i agree with commissioner covington. i think we're all aware that

there was a lot of people that didn't call in that did send letters in that were really concerned about the slow streets, and i feel that a lot of us are also, especially -- found it very interesting about the one about the great highway, so i would like another presentation or just a chance to ask more questions, and then, at that point, the commission -- you know, maybe the commission would write a letter or do something, if we agree, to the board of supervisors. i'm sure the chief has, given the fire department's opinion on this, but i think it's important that the commission also voices their opinion on this, so i agree with

commissioner covington. the other one that i would like to bring up is, you know, i guess assistant deputy chief fire marshall, what is this, kenneth coughland, so it would be nice to arrange where he -- he? yeah, it's a he -- that he would come before the commission to introduce himself, and we could ask him some questions regarding his thoughts or qualifications -- not his qualifications, but his thoughts on the position, so that's my point. >> president feinstein: thank you, vice president rodriguez. any further -- ah, commissioner nakajo. >> commissioner nakajo: thank you very much, madam president.

i want to be careful because this is an item that talked about future fire commission meetings, and we're dialoguing a little bit in terms of a concern i had, also. i wanted to affirm commissioner covington's remarks as well as commissioner rodriguez when it comes to the dialogue of slow streets or permanent slow streets. i don't want to take from the commission or myself because it's hard to advocate for our positions and what we do, and for example, what d.p.a. may be doing or m.t.a. may be doing, and i don't want to perceive it -- i'm going to choose my words carefully -- in terms of

what they're trying to accomplish, but we do have our mission, as well. and clearly, for myself, what i understood in terms of m.t.a. and staff that came with the director, in terms of what they're trying to establish, i heard a lot of that, and i think we tried to reiterate what our principles and points were, so i'd really like to have it agendized when it's appropriate because i began to think in the afterthought, like many of you, is realizing we have a clash of conflict or permanent. slow streets is slow streets, permanent. i don't want to be critical, but also, our fire department has our mission, which is to get to our community during a fire emergency or situation.

i appreciate the public calling in, but like the vice president pointed out, we didn't have a chance to get a lot of it in, as well. i just want to make sure that as the director of m.t.a. says, they're cooperating with us, and i somewhat felt that, but i felt that our points and emphasis -- i don't want to say not listened to, because he said that he listened to all departments and officers, but i just want to make sure that what we're concerned about is taken into consideration. i felt at one point or another, this is the way it's done, this is m.t.a.s way, and we're going to have to adjust. now, i'm paraphrasing, and i may get in trouble with that, and in the context of the commission, i'll stop. >> president feinstein: no, you know, please, commissioner

nakajo, and unless there's other commissioners that wish to comment, i do wish to comment because i agree with you. and does anybody else wish to comment on it, on the slow streets presentation with m.t.a.? yeah, commissioner nakajo. >> clerk: i'm not sure we can actually get into that under this agenda item. >> commissioner nakajo: that's what i was referring to. i wanted to be careful we didn't agendize that. >> clerk: i don't any we can have a robust discussion at this point. >> commissioner nakajo: i was following the suggestion of what can be taken off the agenda -- >> president feinstein: okay. okay. then let me ask this. you know, we've gotten out, and i've read in the paper today, there's now slow streets and the proposal that there be permanent shared spaces, and i know that falls under a different department, but poses sort of the same issue -- you

know, i'm sure everybody read that, in seattle, there was, you know, what is bound to happen, which is somebody at night, you know, making a turn or not making a turn and smashing into one of these shared spaces where people are dining. and narrowing our streets is not helpful when you're in a city of narrow streets, and i just, i want to know if that should be something that we invite m.t.a. or if that's d.p.w., i think, and to also ask our fire marshal, before he leaves us, if he could give us some numbers and perhaps

express some concerns. are you there, fire marshal dicosio, or did you leave us? oh, hello. >> hello, president feinstein. absolutely. be happy to have this conversation at the next meeting. >> clerk: unfortunately, the next meeting, we have deliberations, a closed session, so i don't know if we'll have room to add something this robust on our next meeting, but probably the second meeting in june. >> president feinstein: well, i think that we can take that off the agenda at a later time and figure that out. and i'm sorry, commissioner nakajo. i do see your hand. i didn't mean to not recognize you. thank you. >> commissioner nakajo: yeah. thank you, madam president. i want to be respectful to all of us, but this item right now we're talking about, putting this on the subject matter

item, and right now, i think we're getting into some robust discussions that i don't think is probably -- it's not properly agendized. i don't want to be an item killer, but i don't know how far you want to take it, and i am getting uncomfortable with how far this discussion is going. >> president feinstein: i just want to get it agendized and slow spaces and streets, as well. [inaudible] >> commissioner nakajo: -- to affirm that i would like to see it itemized, as well, or whatever is proper protocol at this time.

whenever it's agendized, we can have a robust discussion. i would point that out respectfully. >> president feinstein: i'm too robust, commissioner nakajo. all right. >> clerk: and there's nobody on the public comment line. >> president feinstein: okay. then public comment shall be closed. and -- oh, okay. never mind. save it. next item, please. >> clerk: item 7, adjournment. >> president feinstein: well, i don't -- i don't want to get into a robust discussion, either, but does anybody have a motion? >> commissioner cleaveland: i move to adjourn. >> commissioner covington: i move to -- okay. i second. >> president feinstein: okay. commissioner cleaveland is moving, and commissioner covington is seconding, if i

understand correctly. >> clerk: correct. >> president feinstein: roll call vote, madam secretary. [roll call] >> clerk: this meeting is adjourned at 6:30. >> candlestick park known also as the stick was an outdoor stadium for sports and

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