costs if you look at the building on a larger system not just this year, next year, but projects that will take several years in that capacity. so i very much want to see that conversation happen and have a look at which of our dollars gets us help to the most people. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. >> clerk: great. thank you. we do not have any additional callers. dhrm thank you. is there a motion to adjourn? >> so moved. >> chairman: moved by member andrews, i believe. >> that's correct. >> chairman: is there a second? >> second. >> chairman: seconded by member reggio. can we do a roll call. >> clerk: [roll call]

>> chairman: thank you everyone. we are adjourned at 11:32 a.m. have a great day everyone. >> authority infrastructure and transportation meeting. board members are participating in this meeting via video conference. public comment will be available for each item on the agenda. the phone number to use is

(415) 655-0001. the access code is 146 425 3859. then press pound and pound again. when your item of interest is called, please 3 to be added to the queue to speak. you may address the board for items for up to two minutes. item number one, call to order and roll call. [roll call] thank you. we do have a quorum. >> okay. thank you bob beck and kate. and i'd like to welcome

everyone joining us very early this morning. great day and we appreciate your presence. okay. let's move on with the agenda. >> secretary: item number two, general public comment. this item is to allow members of the public to address the committee on matters that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the agenda. >> is there anyone on public comment. >> secretary: there is not. >> okay. next item. >> secretary: item number 3, consent agenda. >> i move approval. >> okay. second. >> secretary: director richardson, [roll call]

there are three ayes. >> chairman: next on the agenda. >> secretary: item number four, update from treasure island mobility management agency on treasure island multi-operator transit pass study. >> hello everyone. i'm just going to share my screen real quick. can you all see my screen? >> yes. >> okay. great. hi everyone. i'm the transportation planner with the transportation authority. i'm here to update about the treasure island multi-operator transit pass. today it's agenda will include the overview of the transit pass which describe our recommendation. a proposed transit prize that

staff developed for an analysis and i will walk through the schedule and next steps regarding this project. so as many of you know, treasure island has the implementation plan adopted in 2011 a comprehensive multi-mobile program to improve alternative means of mobility. this plan called for regional transit services including treasure island ferry, east bay and expanded muni services. this plan also identified residents of market rate housing will receive a transit pass through their hoadus and to kind of give a the purpose of this pass was to make sure that when treasure island, when the program is launched, there

will be three new transit services on the island and on on island shuttle service. there will be different fares and retail pass options. to support overall program goals and to make transit easy and seamless, we've designed a transit program that will take transit users to their destination. so first, to go through the user groups. two user groups for these prepaid pass programs. the first group is the parking lot rate house hold where we see one pass per house hold and the second group was the hotel visitors who would receive one

pass per hotel room. we included these groups and we expanded to two new groups which is the market rate and existing resident and household and treasure island workers and transit is easy and seamless for everyone to use. first, as we launched this study, we did a case study that looked at institutional as well as retail pass. constitutional pass is where it will be only for that group or a number of people where the retail is for anybody that wants to purchase. so the first three are the institutional pass. so this is available to san francisco state university students. they receive their pass as part

of their tuition and this pass allows them to use muni as well as discounted transfer on the daily city bart station. the second one is parkmerced housing car-free living. where they can receive a $100 cash value and they can use it to do transit on uber or rent a car. the third one is the ac transit easy pass. the this is for employers, universities, and housing developments. this is a number of transit accessibility and the last two passes are the retail pass products which one is the ac transit transbay from east bay to san francisco and then muni

m and a pass which provides access on all muni service as well as bart service for the muni a pass. we learned that transit pass should make transit using very easy and seamless and they also have to be affordable for people to use. so based on these lessons learning, we have developed five goals for this project, for this study. first one is to provide maximum transit coverage to really make sure that the travelers that are living and working on the island have a product they can use to travel and use transit. make transit affordable for the residents and workers by offering discounts on transit pass, enhance customer service by simplifying fares for different operators. design a product that will be available for treasure island

transcity users with program launch including toll and transit services and the last one is to financial sustainability that will ensure that we are designing a product that's able to cover its ongoing operating administration cost. we have done a study back in 2017. so for many years, we have done public outreach on the island. we have tables at food pantries. as well as for the residents and business focus groups. so our final recommendations are the passes that this pass to be available on all ac

transit local routes and the ferry route that will connect treasure island to downtown we

studied a 50% discount on the pass to understand financial be viability, but that would be adopted as part of the overall affordability program and the distribution of to ensure that eligible folks are to get this pass and coordinate that with that list so the pass that's going to where someone would receive a payment for monthly product. for hotel visitors, since it is a different travel behavior, this will be but this will be transportation credit so they can use to travel from sfo to treasure island and then

anywhere in the bay area using transit. so this will be per day pass and number of days of visitors that come in number of passes they get through their clipper card. so for the proposed past cost, we are studying between 125 to 150 monthly. for affordable pass, as i said, we did 50% of the study, but the final discounted rate will still need to be adopted and the proposed price is based on a couple of items. one is what other retail products are available out there. we studied muni transbay pass

as well as muni monthly passes. this also has to be a financially feasible program. so we also looked at what would be the addmin and operating cost to make sure the past cost is able to cover that and the final past price to be adopted after the ac transit and the ferry fare is adopted so we know that what is the one-way fare and what makes sense for a monthly pass fare. in a discussion of how this price will increase over time. one is installation rate or

other we as part of the toll program to be adopted later this year, we are working with sf muni to reach a revenue sharing agreement this year. we will also be seeking adoption for east bay and ferry fare from transit board and we'll be back to adopt that transit price to make sure that this pass is in there so, with

that, i include my presentation. >> yes. thank you very much for your update and this is your first time making presentation before the this is an important item on the agenda and before i open for further comments and questions, again, i want to note that we do appreciate sfcta. stellar outreach on this particular matter and, you know, you've demonstrated that. and the reason i highlight that

is that toward the end of this process was started a long time ago and i know we are ending by the end of this year. we should know at least concretely where we're going and so, by that time, i hope that residents on treasure island would be fully apprised of what's going on here. for me and the question has to do with the i think we need to understand more how this path is going to be subsidized and tied to the timeline and so i'm going to come back to that. i think we're going to open it up here for questions.

>> hello, thank you for that report. i don't have many questions. you've presented this program before and it's good to see it's evolving and i know you've done quite a bid we are an island in the middle of the bay connected by the two bridges and so getting on and off the island is such an important thing and also to get people out of their cars to connect us to the rest of the bay. so this feature of how it's so

important to the viability of the island going forward. i note that for the

>> that looks at the resident's discount and further other options for different user groups and how does this fit into the overrule treasure island affordability program. that's scheduled to happen this year. this percentage would be part of that overall would be determined when the path size

would be adopted and that is really depending on the fares. we haven't had, you know, there will be used muni fares and we don't want to we want to make sure it does make sense. so once those fares are adopted, we'll come back with the final price and that's when you can say okay, 50% of counter. so what that cost would be. >> okay. thank you. >> and, i know that there is very much a balancing act that is required. >> right. it's very expensive new transit connections. the ferry, the ferry terminal,

the ferry transit. and we are trying to make the price of them be affordable to the people who live on the island who need that additional support. so it obviously has to be subsidized. are you looking at what that overall cost of subsidy will be? do you have any numbers that you're working on in terms of an annual cost or over a period of time. >> so we have done analysis with a 50% discount what that cost would be and i don't have that readily available. that would be the overall affordability program. so i can work with bob to get that information or, you know, when rachel comes later this

year, she will be presenting that same information. yes, our analysis assumption was a 50% discount and what that cost would be in terms of subsidizing. >> and i think that one thing we have to keep in mind is the financial sustainability of any subsidy because we've got a subsidy which will expire in a few years. it's something that we have to make sure that it is sustainable over time because the residents who choose to live there, the lower income residents have to have that issue and it's going forward. >> okay. >> yeah. so those were the major issues that i had in question. >> thank you, commissioner.

and commissioner prochnik, do you have any questions? >> can you hear me because i'm still in the car. thank you for your great presentation. i really appreciate it and all the work you did for the case studies. it was great to hear what was going on around the bay area and to see how we're plugging and playing. i had a couple of questions, i just want to echo what commissioner tsen said. is there a hotel tax that's covering this. is there something we can look at bay area wide. or is it hotels on treasure island that you're speaking

about? >> just the treasure island one . >> commissioner: okay. i'm thrilled to see the clipper card. but will it be programmed properly. >> so if you are a visitor and clipper is definitely heading that way with the mobile app. so when you book the hotel room you'll get a code or something to say that okay now you have this $10, $15 to spend on transit with each night of hotel room and you'll have it through your mobile application or through a special clipper card that the hotel can provide. for residents, the clipper cards will look the same, but the number of serial numbers and the back office will be like okay. these are the residents of treasure island. they get to ride muni, ac

transit ferry for free because they already paid the beginning of the month. so now if you use it, you will have to contact us to kind of make sure those rides get reimbursed, but, yeah. the clip her card will look the same. >> commissioner: thank you for that. and also when you were talking about equity or maintaining the balance, is there a way to give credits to the residents on because they're contributing more to the sf bay area climate goals. >> that's something we haven't really. i think it's a really cool

idea. i think that in terms of, you know, there's going to be transportation management, a greater program that this will fit into that will be a really good compliment and good feature to have thinking about the other credit for people to take more transit. >> commissioner: thank you, and just on that last one of the environmental components. i'm just trying to think about the buss and the ferries and how to coordinate the savings there and maybe that could also help ensure the subsidy program or just ensure the cost in equity. so just combg creative on the financing for all the green banking and the infrastructure. thank you so much. i'm really excited about it. >> chairman: thank you very much, commissioner prochnik.

let me go back to some of the questions. highlighted some of the cost and the factors and i think it's also important that we need to also state that the city and county of san francisco, i know i have attended several meetings beside treasure island. it's also right now refiguring transportation within san francisco. some parts of san francisco are going to be subjected to tow. it's not just treasure island. and so wherever it benefits for san francisco and the mainland and it will be applicable to treasure island as well. and i think it's important we start to look at what's going on with treasure island and with the city and county of san francisco. the question now i have for you

purely, what the past is going to be for the category, we have all these agencies that we have to take into consideration. ac transit. mta. and we have mtc. and you also mentioned that everything is going to be tied to the inflation. so i would imply here we're going to have to go to this dance every we come up with the price because we don't want to be going through this every year. and so plan ahead businesses and everything like that i think we need to have another

standard. we know that amtrak all of them are. i'm thinking here and san francisco's looking at measures later on. these things are not free and so we need to understand that and so what does that structure look like, you know, later on. this is the time right now to be since we are involved in the discussion to all the stakeholders and supervisors and whatever. we need to let them know what we are talking about. what this is going to look like three, four, five years from now, i think we all need to be on the same page on that and this should be part of the discussion so that when we

finally agree on something and what the conditions are going to be and then lastly, the administration of the pass because one of your goals is to make this very seamless type of experience for the users because our users by profile demographics, we have seniors, we have disabled people and they are going to be upon treasure island and they have to connect whether they're going east or west. we have to make sure. to me, in addition to the cost, it's extremely important because treasure island is just this unique place. so if you can incorporate those questions into your answers, i really do appreciate it. >> yeah, thank you for this question. so the first one is the setting of cost. so the transit agencies which is weta and ac transit.

but the new two routes will need to be adopted by the transit agencies. but the path price cost, you know, this institutional past price cost that is under tida's discretion. our board to the board of supervisors will adopt that pass price. when i talk about the inflation rate, that will be applied to the pass price and not to the fare. and i don't imagine that working every year. i think we will monitor the inflation rate until we hit a dollar or a couple of dollars and come to our board for an adoption. so those policies, so that's still in the proposal phase. those policies will still need to get ironed out in the next couple of months, but the fare will need to get opted by the entities. we don't want to be coming up

with a policy where we need to keep going back and forth between the transit agencies because they can take a long time. so the pass price will be adopted by our board and the inflation rate, we will be kind of monitoring to see when it will be appropriate. and then in terms of the subsidy measure, we are very aware of the cost of the transit that is, you know, that's new, that's high, and my agency has been working and understanding what are the streams available and the pass cost subsidy is part of that conversation that has been ongoing, you know, i can come back with my boss who actually needs that funding strategy with the director on providing more information on that. but we are actively very much working on to solving those gaps. and then the admin and usage,

ibeen working on this project for a couple of years and i feel that the benefit and the advantage of this product is that it really does simplify that customer experience where you are not calculating one-way fare difference between an ac transit or muni or ferry. you have a product and now you're able to use any of these modes. so we have really designed this to make transit attractive. to take that cost from a customer perspective cost part of that decision. now they can use it. and, you know, going forward, any obstacles of either being eligible for that pass, being able to enroll and being able to distribute, we are really leading from the customer perspective to make sure it's

easy to get this product as well as to use it. so that's definitely kind of the start of this, you know, study to make sure we are really designing for the travelers of treasure island. >> chairman: thank you very much. absolutely. the discussion a reason why to streamline, use the sooerns and so let's note for the record here that what we're doing here in treasure island that's going to be central to that discussion. so treasure island to me, the way that i look at it is a pilot in that proper discussion for once-in-a-lifetime to integrate all the customer experience in san francisco. so thank you so much. commissioners, if there are other questions from you and then i would like to provide

public comment on this item. do we have any -- kate, do we have any public comment on this item. >> secretary: there's no public comment. >> chairman: okayment thank you again, we would like to have you back to further the discussion. >> thank you so much for having me. >> chairman: thank you. >> secretary: item number 5. interim utility improvements. >> i'm bringing up my presentation. so folks are seeing my slides. >> yes. >> okay. thank you, directors. i wanted to bring you this item as an informational item in advance of potential future

action item by the full board, full tida board. the as ticd constructs new construction on the island, they will offer those public improvements to the city for acceptance. the process of acceptance transfers ownership of the public facilities to the appropriate city agency for responsible for that type of infrastructure. so, for instance, when we accept one of the early acceptances will be for the improvements on mccalla road. so when mccalla road is accepted, the roadway surface improvements will be transferred to public works, the traffic signal improvements will be transferred to mta and the utilities that underlie the

roadway will be transferred to the puc. so each element of that roadway will be accepted by an appropriate city agency. so the parks on treasure island as you know are going to be tida facilities. so they will be offered to go through the acceptance process and tida will take ownership of them. similarly, the ferry facilities which will be another early improvement when accepted will be owned by tida. the packages for acceptance of infrastructure are prepared by public works and go to the board of supervisors for the approval. ticd will be entering into

licensing agreements with the p.u.c. when it is necessary for that infrastructure to be utilized before and officially accepted by the board of supervisors. an example here would be the new water storage reservoirs being constructed on yerba buena island. they've been going through pressure testing and commissioning and will later be offered to the which will

ultimately become part of hill top park. on the land that have been transferred to us and continue to be owned on land is yet to be transferred. all of the with have an operating facility with p.u.c. to provide us support so they

can be moving when they're scheduled to be demolished to make way for there are sig between new permanent you tilt infrastructure like the waste the p.u.c. will accept ownership and we they are in

large part reroutes so posing to accept those into the legacy systems that tida owns and working with the city attorney's office those. so the two primary things we're talking about are shown in red here. connecting the feed from oakland to the new switch yard and coming out of this new switch yard and connecting down to the new development at the southeast corner and other

interim leg going up the causeway to connect to yerba buena island until the permanent connection from here at avenue c can be made up. the switch yard itself would not be accepted by tida. this is new construction and will be a permanent facility and much of the installation was performed by the p.u.c.. so the new switch yard will be dedicated as permanent infrastructure, but eventually this line connecting the oakland feed is all intended to be under ground. so when that connection would be made, then this interim line

would go away. including a new pump station here on 4th street that feeds into but until the permanent force main to the new waste water treatment site. an interim waste water site will be stalled. this line will be installed connecting out to the existing treatment plant and there are a number of pump stations in the stage two area including one on adjacent to hanger 3 and the sewage lines from the sewage feed from the coast guard facility which comes underneath clipper cove that would all be connected into this interim.

so this line serves both existing sewage flows and the new sewage flows until a permanent force main can be constructed in the treatment plant. so the proposal is, again, to accept this temporary force main and these temporary overheadlines into our infrastructure system. as i mentioned, the construction of the new temporary force main where interim force main has been completed as have the overheadlines connecting the submarine cable to the new switch yard and the new trunk line along 9th street. public works is reviewing documentation and sfpuc is expecting the utilities to

verify hair ready to be put into service. the new switch lines and upon public works and sfpuc sign off, we proposed to bring a resolution of acceptance to the title board for consideration. so that's the background on it. and i wanted to see if board members had any questions or feedback. >> chairman: yes. thank you so much, director beck. this is great. i would like to make a suggestion. i think the information you gave as the frame work is extremely great and important. i would like to suggest a graphic form where we can delineate what the relationships sfpuc and

documenting the graphic and delineate the rules and responsibilities. for instance, you mentioned that tida would be responsible for works. and i think those kinds of relationships are extremely important. there are questions to that because what does it mean for tida to be responsible for the parks and all this infrastructure that you mentioned and some that you will be adding on later on according to this document. a slew of questions would center around responsibility and also, you mentioned that sfpuc will only accept infrastructure and i can really see that for the interim. what does that mean? that also needs to be translated into the roles and responsibilities of tida and,

lastly, the cost of factors there and we are also time line that already has some challenges with our electrical utilities or whatever we know at the end of this infrastructure, a lot of these problems will go away. however, the backups and all of that, we're going to talk about that. those are the questions that i have and i'm going to open that to commissioners out here. i see commissioner -- where is commissioner tsen? i can't see her. >> commissioner: yeah. >> chairman: okay. go ahead with your question for xhsh prochnik. >> right. may i start, linda? >> chairman: yes. >> commissioner: thank you. i think linda is more correct in being more clear on what the

responsibilities are when we accept the interim and the sanitary system. what does that mean? there is a um, break or failure is that responsibility to correct. and to improve. and the most important question to have is how long is this interim? what are we talking about in terms of time before it actually gets permanently affected by the p.u.c.. is this an interim for some years or is it something which we're expecting to be handed over to the p.u.c. when the construction is. when the developments are done?

>> yeah. thank you. so it is a matter of years. as development progresses, for instance with the interim force main. this portion of the system will then become new and there will be a permanent force main constructed along california that will connect to this interim force man and then the interim force main will be from here on over and so, the intention is as development progresses, the amount of interim facility decreases. but if you think of our permanent land use plan, it's

when the portal passage roadway gets constructed out here past the switch yard and the treatment plant. the permanent facilities will be in that portal passage. and so when portal passage roadway is constructed, that's when all of these improvements will be necessary. so there is a period of years that these interim facilities will be in service. in terms of the physical operation and maintenance, these will continue to be physically operated by the puc and for instance, they'll respond to any, you know, calls

for outages or line breaks or anything like that, they will respond to that. the ticd will contain to have, carry some of the financial responsibility. for instance, with the interim force main will require periodic flushing as a routine maintenance practice. we're still in conversations with between pucd and tida. or whether they would be performed by pucd and

reimbursed by ticd. those conversations are ongoing. but in terms of any emergency response to services, that would be managed by the puc because we don't want to have a period of, if you will, indecision whether we determine whether or not a failure was in an interim lejeune or a permanent line. all emergency responses will be led by puc. >> commissioner: thank you. i may have some other questions, but go ahead. >> chairman: okay. thank you, commissioner tsen. commissioner prochnik. >> i've been looking forward to this presentation. i have a few questions. i want to echo support for what both directors have said about a table or a visual that shows

who's responsible for what the roles and responsibilities are for the transition and accountability. i think that's really important especially because there have been so many things that have occurred recently and people want to have a clear identification and roles and responsibilities. and, as well, i'm happy to hear that we're starting to have these conversations to help kind of helping the transition move forward, but i'd also like to see in that table written out what are the mitigation measures and protections for existing infrastructure business and residents because i feel this is all for the future and nothing is for the now and i think we need to bridge that in a much stronger way and so i'd like to see some more action items for how we are going to mitigate the continuous black-outs that happened, like the one yesterday, where, again, it still caused a couple hours of disturbance to businesses and

residents. as you mentioned, your office too. i'd like to see a plan for the mitigation offense. this is going to continue to happen. so i think we need the better plan of action and whether it's tighter as p.u.c. and who's responsible for these different aspects, it's important to know because you had mentioned. >> chairman: thank you, commissioner. >> commissioner: i have one more thing. because of the sanitation aspect. i want to have some clear understanding of this looks again in the future and as of previous work calls, there's been some sewer issues and problems and it would just come out of the ground and kind of leak everywhere. i see these two red arrows to the left. what does that mean?

is that for future? how are we going to address the ongoing sewer problem? >> we have a number of projects that we're engaged with the p.u.c. on to rehab and extend the life of some of these switch pump stations primarily in the residential area. again, with the course of development, these are the existing sewage pump stations that will remain in service the longest and we have several projects where we're either replacing pumps, replacing controls or in a couple places, rehabbing pump stations in their entirety. and that's something that we've been doing with the p.u.c. through what we call our r&r

program with the waste water r&r being repair and rehab. >> commissioner: maybe that can be added to the table. it would just be better to have it all right now so it's more transparent and accountabilities are identified. >> okay. >> chairman: thank you, commissioner prochnik. questions. yes. thank you from both commissioners. that's why i suggested the graphic because that's going to open up a wider discussions on where we are and what's going on. and i want to piggyback on existing conditions again, which is very important because director beck, you mentioned that the interim timeline can takiers now. so what's going to happen is that we have two conditions to

meet. we have the existing conditions, at the same time, along the graph of having to deal with the interim and knowing again, our relationship and what sfpuc is going to be committed to and the time line of the replacement of those key insfra structure that we can take from the interim. all of that is gong to be taken. but this is a start. what you have frame work. you have outlike. it's great. it's just building, you know, on that and it will be very helpful. commissioner tsen, do you have any other questions on this? >> commissioner: maybe for future items, i would like to have a status report on the new waste water and sewage treatment plant. i know that the puc was going

to design that and i think that either on this committee or for the full board, we need to have a report on what the status is of that. you know, its design. who are they incorporating some of the green features that have been discussed previously. but if we can have a report on its status, that would be very helpful. >> okay. yes. just briefly, right now, the p.u.c. is hoping to advertise for construction of the new treatment plant next month, and for the sustainability committee, i was right now what i'm planning for unless plans change is to invite the p.u.c. to present on the treatment plant next month and then have a companion piece that talks

about the reclaimed water system and, you know, its association with the treatment plant. so that was what i was proposed for the sustainability committee next month, but we will confirm that. >> commissioner: thank you. >> chairman: thank you. so can we update any public comment on this item, please, kate. >> secretary: there's no public comment. >> chairman: okay. thank you. next thing on the agenda please. >> secretary: item number 6, discussion of future agenda items by directors. >> chairman: okay. so for the i.t.c. and, again, director beck, we have the any policy document or whatever because decisions have been made now that would cumulate at the end of the year. so we hope. any document that policies,

people, once you can pass them on to us so that we can be digesting this information to note where we're going to be calling t.i.m.a. back. also, on the agenda from the last title board meeting, issues relating to housing and to commissioner tsen would like to have. in the next i.t.c. meeting to find a way to include pertinent information on, you know, on the agenda. of course, including the report. any infrastructure related we'd still like to discuss that on this committee and, again, as it relates to what tida is going to be accepting and all this stuff is pertinent to this

committee. for those items, are there any other things i'm sure you would let us know. and, of course, i'm going to especially assisting conditions. so that's all i have for now. >> commissioner: i'm expecting regular items both committee and full board on housing and toll policies, potential early transit services. we'll be having a number of items over the remainder of this year. >> chairman: i see your hand, commissioner prochnik. >> commissioner: thank you, director. i appreciate you bringing that to all the different committees. i would just want to reiterate

that we have these action items from this, that we can have on a table and the table of the action item for the p.u.c. and the roles and responsibilities for the handover and then, i'd like to put a place i wanted the infrastructure for the housing, the ferries, the transportation, and want is happening for addressing some of the clean energy mandates that are required. >> thanks. >> that's great. thank you. and any other suggestions, you know, let us know. i always check with commissioner tsen on a lot of issues so we're all on the same

page and i do also call on director beck and i must say it's always making himself available which is very great and this is a very pertinent for a commission as to that kind of engagement. a lot of the questions sometimes are answered through those kind of discussions. so, if there's none other things on the agenda. and so, this has been a wonder. meeting and i want to thank all of you, commissioners. commissioner tsen, prochnik, beck, and director kate. and so this concludes today's meeting for the treasure island infrastructure and transportation committee. thank you. i'll see you next time. thank you all.

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