oversight committee, to make sure we're sort of taking that very seriously and using it as strategically as possible. i'm not sure if we just have a chance to keep talking about it, but i would definitely like to pull back that liaison structure and see where that falls in line with the work plan. and i would like to say, also, despite my reaction as of this moment, there is a lot in there that is about what we have said over and over, with this collective impact. we need to be engaging with mental health s.f., and their committees and with the mayor's office. all of the stakeholders are incredibly important to this work. i don't want to make it seem that that is not at the center of this, and reasserting the values of people with lived

experience. and taking seriously that that is what is at stake. it is a shift of language. like, we came with leadership, and leadership and lived experience. and building a leadership with people, building a movement. and it's very different, so i'm here to help and any way to sort of keep that at the center as well. so thank you so much for your work. >> chairwoman: thank you so much, member ledbetter. i believe this plan has incorporated a lot of what we discussed. i believe we need to bring that liaison structure back, but the things have shifted with our committee, in terms of our work going forward, so this is a living document. and i think the team has tried to be response supervise to some of the things we've brought forward, but, of course, we can amend as needed. this is not going to be voted on today. this is just kind of introducing our thinking and building out that work plan. i really appreciate your comments, and we'll keep working at it.

so i'm going to vice chair deantonio and then member friedenbach. >> thank you so much, jesse. i think this is a great canvas for us to layer on, is how i see it. just like -- okay, some thoughts: i would like there to be a slide. it is easier for me to visualize with seeing all of the timelines align together, to see the different components that will be worked on in the same timeframe. i guess if we could elaborate and add administrative data analysis. like, i don't know if that is something as a group we should figure out what data points you want to be looking at, or if that is exclusively decided by the city, or how that goes, or even what it would be, like, defined as.

it is just words right now. i don't know if you could define it will little bit, what that looks like? >> yeah. when i think about -- i don't know if that is me echoing. when i think about administrative data, i'm thinking about the data that is being collected as people for administrative purposes, right? so i would include things like the point in time count, which is a funding requirement, right? and the youth count. but as well as, like, services data, right? there is a lot of information about -- that is collected in the administration of services that can tell us a fair amount about sort of what -- who is using what things and where are people successful? you know, i think it's, um...i think the ordinance itself says "to the

greatest extent possible." so it is looking at what is the data that already exists out there, in terms of the more quantitative data that can help us see part of the picture of the needs, right, and homelessness generally. i'm very familiar with the continuum of care sort of data, but that is not the limit of this -- of our city, our home, right? so i think there is also some discovery work that needs to be done around, for example, s.r.o. families and understanding sort of how the pipeline fits into that, what's available there. the same on the mental health side, right? that is an entire system unto itself, right? i'm not as familiar as what the administrative data is there, and there will need to be some discovery work about sort of what can we know about homelessness through the data that they're collecting.

>> yeah. thank you. and i think part of that, at least for myself, is, like, us having a conversation about, like, things we would like to see. either if there are already electric measurements on that, or things that we would like to be measured, like, ongoing, which maybe we won't have data for, like, today or now, but, like, in our needs assessment in two years, we can say we would like to see this and it is not being measured yet. i know especially around, like, success -- i know i talk about this all of the time, but what is a successful placement and, like, the measurement of retention. i get differing responses on whether we have that data or not. and i've never seen it, so that is something i would really like to measure. i'm sure that everybody sitting here has different metrics they would like to see measured. so that might require us coming together and talking about that a little more. so that is one thought i

had. another thought that i had was just around the complementary initiatives that are going on. i forget what the language is on that. the housing authority, and i know i also keep bringing that up, but it is something we should also be aligned with. i would love to have them come here and tell us about their five-year annual plan, or tell us what is going on at the federal level. during the pandemic, we received 100 section 8 measures, and that goes towards housing and how many people are being housed, and adding them to our housing unit count. so there is that. and then, like, for me one of the biggest things was really around, like, community engagement, and paying folks for their data. and, like, paying folks to participate and being really granular with that. and i think there is a lot

of -- i think we could start that earlier than what i see, i guess, on the timeline. and really set some specific goals around that, which i think is kind of like what julie was saying as well. i think that also has to do with our liaison role because within each of our liaison roles, there is an opportunity for different communities to engage with. even though i am the community engagement liaison, the different roles -- there is, like, sub-populations within that that i think would be important to, like, pull into these conversations, as far as folks with lived experience. and i know, like, we're not going to decide those things today, but i just wanted to shout all those things out and, yeah, really just, like, highlight that i think we should start the community

engagement process earlier. and, sorry, also to elaborate on that, in our previous, like, stakeholder meetings and community engagement processes, we heard that focus groups don't work for everybody. and if we're talking about equity, i think it is important for us to, like, look at different ways of engaging folks, beyond focus groups. we heard especially for black youth, youth of color, that the focus groups do not work for them. and then, yeah, so -- yeah, there is a lot of questions -- things that need to be answered within there. this, i think, like i said, is a really good starting point, and we can all kind of build on this expertise and knowledge. so thank you. >> chairwoman: thank you. we'll go to member friedenbach. >> yeah. thank you. thanks so much for all your work on this.

and, um, i understand where member ledbetter is coming from, in terms of nervousness around how this is moving forward. i think that, you know, we all have a lot of experience within the city of san francisco, having a lot of kind of fake community processes, for lack of a better way to describe it, and a lot of fear around community members having any kind of, like, real -- you know, real self-determination in terms of how to shape public policy and fear around unhoused community members having real power. and i think that as we've gone through this in the last year, we've seen that

response over and over again, where there has been, you know, kind of a negative reaction to -- you know, to a body that is, um, as active as we are and is empowered. there is just a lot of skill, i think, among the membership to be brought to the table. and that should be embraced and should be brought on in really a leadership role. and i think it was really phenomenal work that was done over the past year on making sure -- you know, i mean i get feedback constantly from folks, from folks who are unhoused, who never had their voices heard, that feel really listened to in this process and they don't in other processes. and that is a skill. that means we know how to do this and we know how to do it right. and so we don't want to kind of abort that process. we want to build on it and get stronger and stronger.

and so i think building on the liaison piece. i also want to make sure in the needs assessment process that we include revolving door. it could be raw data from that, etc., but there is a lot of information there and a lot of work that was done with, you know, four different universities. and i think there is so much data sitting there that hasn't even been tapped into. and so that's -- you know, the idea was to help with the needs assessment, and that's what we did that. the last thing on timeline: i'm a little bit concerned on the timeline. so we will be doing our needs assessment -- in terms of our timeline kind of lining up with the budget process for the city and county of san francisco -- so there is going to be adjustments we

want to make on our investment plan. there are going to be some one-time monies that will be freed up and other decisions that will be able to be made. it won't be as overruling overwhelming in terms of this first year, in terms of the amount of money we're working with and all of that, but it seems like we need to complete the needs assessment earlier in order to then engage in the budget process in a way that -- we wouldn't start from scratch. we would build off of the needs assessment. but there is going to be a lot of hard decision-making as a body, that we're going to need to create space for. post-needs. so we're looking at the needs assessment and then making decisions. the budget goes into the mayor's office january, february -- and sometimes it goes in as early as december, though. it would be nice to be in

alignment. it doesn't have to be, but just thinking about that timeline, but definitely wanting to impact the mayor's budget, at least. so i think april is a little late. so -- for the needs assessment to be completed and have time to make all of those hard decisions. or else i feel like we're going to be rushed again. and that was the thing we swore we weren't going to do again, being rushed -- we had the big rush in december, but then it was pretty rushed after that, too. so those are my comments. oh, and just, i think, as we -- so to just be a little bit more -- a little more substantive, my comments -- when, for example, the focus groups are being -- our the outreach methodology,

however we're getting input, we should have the liaison present to make decisions about how those things are structured. we're missing a data officer right now, and so that needs to be scermd scheduled. i don't know if we want to wait for the reappointment. but the present officer should be present when deciding what data needs to pull in. so people are actually there from this body in those rooms where the discussions are taking place. so that's going to be really important as well. thanks. >> chairwoman: thank you so much to all of our committee members. we're definitely taking all of these notes. i believe the document will go out, so if folks want to respond on their own time and digest it and provide some written comments, to myself and vice chair deantonio to work with and the controller's staff on really refining this plan.

i agree with member friedenbach on getting all of our seats and all of our free appointments done so we can really have a full body to take on the next phase of this work. i think that is super important. and i definitely agree with all of our liaisons being at the table at different pieces of this work. so if there is no further comment, i'm going to go to public comment. if there are no further comments from the committee. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call 415-655-0001, i.d. 1875963686. then pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial *3 to line up to speak. a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. please note you have two minutes. spanish interpreter,

please. [speaking spanish] [end of translation] >> clerk: thank you. cantonese interpreter, please. [speaking cantonese]

[end of translation] >> clerk: great. thank you. i'll take the first caller. hello, caller. hello, caller, you have three minutes. >> caller: can you hear me? >> clerk: yes. >> caller: this is steve rice from legal aid. i just want to thank all of you for your work and your recommendations, and i'm looking forward to the needs assessment. and i just wanted to, you know, make one comment. there was an item that was dropped that the committee recommended, but the board dropped, about civil legal services. and, you know, obviously there is a great need for housing and housing first and acquisition of housing, but i think not

enough attention is always paid to how to make that sustainable in the long-term, how to allow people to transition to living more independently. and they've found in alameda county that disability benefits advocacy, getting people the money they're entitled to from the federal government really does help people to transition to more stable housing in the three-year pilot with the city and tipping point, and we've seen those outcomes in just three years' time. i hope that disability and benefits advocacy are considered as part of the needs assessment, and that the need there is reassessed. thank you. >> clerk: great. thank you. there are now additional callers. >> chairwoman: thank you so much, and thank you to all of our public commenters. at this time, i have a hard stop at 11:30, but i

want to go to item 6, which we have a transition from our committee. member hanes will be transitioning, so i wanted to give him an opportunity to talk about his transition, and some of the work ahead. so i will turn it over to member hanes. >> thank you. thank you forgiving me a couple of moments, and i'll be brief. i'm glad that the mayor appointed me to this role. as i told her, i had prayed for it before this position came into existence, to serve on one of our city's homelessness commissions, to be that individual with that lived experience to represent from that perspective and hoping to shape something to give greater benefit to those in need. even though my time on this particular committee

has been short, my efforts in that vain will continue on with my efforts on my own non-profit. my full-time job is not going to allow me the four hours every month engaging with you all outside of commission efforts, but to the affect that my non-profit organization will hope to work on some of these funds to provide supportive infrastructure, in addition to all of the other (indiscernable) elements. [audio is breaking up] so i have had some good communications with jessica and other city hall staffers in terms of my transition, and i feel that we have left off at a point where ultimately

anybody with a good communications background and skills can really take off from where we had left, which was really hoping to sort of get some other members with our collective hopes and aspirations, in terms of doing a robust job with communications and how that can overlap with the community engagement. and so i believe that jessica will be able to, you know, take good stewardship of that with my notes that we have shared and the many conversations that we've had in previous commission meetings, with a good amount of my energy, in terms of feedback there that can be called in. i will always make myself available. so if people feel like they need to reach out to me individually to get some additional information, feel free to schedule some time. i have a limited amount of time in this calendar week to complete any of those efforts because next week

i actually have meetings with the job, even though i start on monday, tomorrow, and so i'm waking up at 6:00 a.m. to start these efforts with the new job. i feel like we're at a point where those who are still going to be deeply engaged with the efforts will be able to take off. and i'm happy that i've been able to spend the time to learn from each and every one of you. what i will say is what i have always said to people, good-bye is something isn't always meant to be forever. the other thing i learned about city hall and serving as part of the city family is that you actually -- you never get to leave because they're always asking you back in some way, shape, or form. i look forward to seeing you in some future meetings, asking for some of these funds to fully implement my program, or hanging out and having a good time in the community, now that we get to go out and have a good time.

>> chairwoman: thank you so much, member hanes, for your service. it is definitely not good-bye. it is see you later because i know you're have been engaged in this work. i'll open up to the other members of the committee if there are proposed agenda items or any other updates that committee members would like to give at this time. >> just graduations on your new job, sean. and thanks so much. >> chairwoman: great. all right. so i think we need to go to public comment for this item. >> i also just wanted to thank you for all -- everything you've done for this committee. i think you're leaving with a very strong inspiration. i think we're going to get into the moment in which we can do the community impact liaisons, but i know you won't be going too far. and if we need, we can ask for your expertise.

so thank you for all of your work. and good luck and congratulations. agenda item, that comment from the public comment on legal makes me realize that maybe we should review what was included in the budget and how (indiscernable). i did not think about the legal gap. and so maybe i'll make a little bit of a followup on that because it was a recommendation. and to bring back the liaison charts and review where we are for that. >> chairwoman: absolutely. for august, we'll be looking at that budget, that will be the entirety of that meeting, what god got funding and what is missing. any other future agenda items? all right, so public comment. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call

415-655-0001, i.d. 1875963686. then pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial *3 to line up to speak. asystem prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. please note you have three minutes. spanish interpreter, please? [speaking spanish] [end of translation] >> clerk: great.

cantonese interpreter, please. [speaking cantonese] [end of translation] >> clerk: great. thank you. i do not see any hands for public comment. >> chairwoman: i will now take a motion at this time to adjourn. >> so moved. >> chairwoman: all right. is there a second? >> second. >> chairwoman: seconded by member friedenbach.

you can call the roll. [roll call taken] >> chairwoman: so we are adjourned at 11:33 amount m.. 33:00 a.m.thank you, everyone. >> good luck, sean. >> congratulations.

>> welcome to the rules committee of the san francisco board of supervisors for today, monday july 19, 2021. i'm aaron peskin joined by vice chair supervisors raphael mandelman and supervisor connie chan. do you have any announcements? >> clerk: these are the covid-19 health and emergency. city and employees and the public, the board of supervisors committee room is closed. public comment will be available on each item on this