going to open next. you really don't. [cheers and >> president bleiman: i'm the president and due to covid-19 health emergency and protect the entertainment commission members and employees and the public the city hall meeting rooms are closed however we will be participating in the meeting remotely and this is taking to orders and directives and commission members and employees will attend the meeting through video conference and participate as if they were physically present and public comment will be available on each item and streaming the number as could crossthe stream. they are available via the zoom platform uting 828-27-7038 or

calling 16699006833 if using zoom, select the raise hand option when it's time for public comment and if calling by phone call star 9 and you will be unmuted when it's your time to speak and call from a quiet location and turn down your television or radio and thank you for sharing this meeting with the public many of we can start the roll call. >> clerk: [roll call] >> commissioner wang is excused. >> i'm here.

>> i am shocked. we need to let her in. >> i'm having technical difficulties with the screen sharing so i will flash the public comment as soon as i can. >> welcome to the meeting, commission wang. sorry for being late. >> president bleiman: first is general public comment. comments not items not listed on the agenda. >> clerk: i do not see any chats or any hands raised. >> president bleiman: we will close public comment, gavel down. the next agenda item is number 2 approval of the meeting minutes

for the june 15th, 2021 commission meeting. do we have a motion to approve the minutes? >> i just want to flag that the minutes are not in the folder. >> president bleiman: thank you. we noticed that and we just added them moments ago. >> so moved on approving the meeting minutes. we'll have a quick minute to read them and then we'll have a second motion.

>> it looks ok to me. i motion to second. i second the motion. >> all right. is there any public comments on approval the meeting minutes? i'm checking. there are no hands raised and there's no chat in the chatbox. >> president bleiman: we will close public comment and we can have ourselves a vote. >> clerk: [roll call vote]

>> the meeting minutes have been approved. the next agenda item is number 3 a report from director wyland. >> good evening, everyone, i will toggle on back to the right screen and were going to give you a update for the commission and staff and to get your heads geared around the next coming months here and to look at for calender invites for holds on your calender for certain things and we are, we do not have permit applications for the hearings in august so you will be receiving cancellation

notices for both of the hearings in august. if anything urgent comes up, relevant to potentially residential development review projects, we will let you know if you hold a short hearings at the end of august, there was one project that came up that is on broadway that has 10 places so depending timing and you may see an end of august, short hearing and aside from that we're also planning in the beginning of september due to the labor day holiday and you will be anticipating a packed agenda on september 21 with permit applications so i'm going to be focusing on work over the next month and doing intake meetings in preparation for that hearing. aside from that, the commission has some things coming up so dillon is going to get more into the weeds with all of you on our

current survey that is out for our industry and we have several responses on and we're not hitting our goals and last year we had about 170 respondents and we're not there and we're extending that survey and we really want to call on all of you to continue to push that out through your network and we're going to continue to promotions on that as well which dillon can get into. we have two dates on potential and dates on hold so we're excited for that. it will be a tuesday in october and it will be on an off commission week. so likely october 19th or 26th. we're planning on having an in-person holiday party this year and so if you have any fun

ideas around that and you should definitely talk to me or president and as we're going to be looking into that. the first tuesday in december and a location in mind as well and we'll keep you all posted on that and we'll get it on your calender and we'll have a good type. time. i wanted to let you know that we have started to issue permits that were dormant during covid including our one-time indoor event permit and they are not encompassed by the jam, the jam allows us to continue permitting all-out door entertainment and amplified sound through the emergency and so all of our previous one-time outdoor amplified sound will continue to go through the jam for now so we have jam, we have one-time indoor events, we're bringing

our sound track permit back on-line because the jam doesn't really speak to moving locations and a vehicle allows for in that sound trip permit and finally, dillon did some work to stiff up our fixed slice amplified sound permit which is a brick and mortar permit, as you recall, this is something we legislated in 2017 and we have an issued a single permit because these are businesses what we do amplified sound outside and they don't do any form of entertainment inside or outside and we are anticipating what we call f passes and when shirt spaces are permanent and it did pass on the board today so you will hear about that in a bit. you will likely see a lot of these permits coming forward and we have quite a few jams that only do amplified sound outside, they don't do any entertainment. that is what i have for you tonight of the let me know if you have any questions?

>> any questions? >> president bleiman: thank you very much for that report. is there any comment on the report? >> i'm checking and there is none. let's move onto the next agenda item. that is number 4, which is report from senior inspectors. >> good evening and good evening commissioners, it's been quite a while since we last month, just a month actually. there's been a lot going on since then with the lifting of the official health order. there have been 159 new sound complaints and the city is really start to go come back to life and neighbors are definitely hearing it. to get started here i have highlighted four businesses to talk about. as always, please let me know

when i'm finished, if you have any questions. the first business is blondes on 16th street. it's not been on the radar but due to recent complaints for a live band playing in the street in front of the business, they were brought to our attention. inspector was able to visit and although he realized the live band was not playing at bondies he did notice their outdoor speakers so he educated them on applying for a jam permit. happy to report they applied and we've not received any complaints since their permit was approved a few weeks ago. next up is park lab gardens located next to spark social in the dog patch. this is a new outdoor area with mini golf and food trucks. there's been 15 complaints lodged by one neighbor in the last month alone. i myself was able to visit on a friday afternoon and the sound

levels were not 50 feet from the police report plain but the complainants they find a solution censure they're operating within the allowable sound limit. once again here next up, i want to bring to your intention american bites. this business has steadily received complaints just about every week for the past few months. this past weekend we did not get complaints and it's a problem but it's the back of the week before where they visited response to a 3-1 complaint and found the back door propped over with a dj inside. the business does not hold a p.o.e. or an l.l.p. with the entertainment commission so director decided to issue them a notice of violation for operating without a permit.

the manager wants to plate in compliance and be a good neighbor so depending on zoning we hope ella ply for p.o.e. or l.l.e. and we hope he insures the back door is closed playing music inside from now oning and we'll report back if the issues continue. and the last business i want to bring to your attention is carbon lounge. on bay street up near the wharf. since reopening, just a few weeks ago, we have continuously received at least two o floor complaints every weekend from the same neighbor next door to carbon lounge. as a reminder to the commission, carbon lounge's p.o.e. was revoked years ago due to violence and the business is not allowed to host or apply to host entertainment any longer. although this business is not under our jurisdiction to

regulate we have cite to ensure it's not occurring or assist sound readings and we visit and talk to the complainant and work with the own tim hortons try to come up with some solutions. he had a sound test but when the complaints continued to roll in he followed up to realize that the sound frequencies were traveling up through the roof into the neighbors adjacent apartments on the fourth floor. even when the business was operating with their approved levels. at that point, the inspector did his best to educate the owners on creative solutions to mitigate the complaints by adding sound abatements to the roof as well as moving the location of the speakers. we also worked with the sfpd central directing's permit officer to help find some solutions. moving forward, all sound

complaints will be reallocated to sfpd and we will assist again if needed. it's worth mentioning that we are confident the business understands what they need to do to mitigate future complaints. that is it for now and please let me know if you have any questions. >> one question, i see jones is showing up a bun inch tease reports. they were having some issues. is there any update or anything new and sort of the same -- >> reporter: there was an uptick that happened in june around pride month where they have their annual big trent where we got a number of back-to-back but inspector was able to visit and

talk to a manager and it's usually the same situation where they have drag shows. it's not karaoke but it's lip-synching so it's all pre recorded music and it happens every sunday that what he found there and i spoke with the manger and educated them on potentially getting a sound meter to monitor their own levels. >> i will note a lot of these complaints were pre event complaints. so they were being lodged before the event was even happening. >> got it, thank you.

>> president bleiman: any questions? i don't have any specific questions s there any public comment on this agenda item? >> i should flash the slide again for everyone to see. full screen for a few seconds. and all right. i am checking rit now and there are no hands raised and no chat in the chatbox. >> president bleiman: let's close this agenda item. thank you very much inspectors. i appreciate it. the next agenda item is number 5, which are updates on night life term not permits in response to covid and what

person do we have? it's ben, here he comes! give him a hand! >> thank you. thank you. >> it wouldn't benefit anyone for me to bring her out. good evening, commissioners, i'll pull up my slide deck. is that visible? good evening. just a handful of updates on federal, state and local activities. starting off here. the grant programs which was previously known as and that owners have been waiting for a long time to get grant awards

from the small business administration and thankfully there's steady progress happening on svog and it has a pull of 15,000 applications in total and there's been around 9,000 awards and 1,000 denial als and there's still 4500 with those under review and 5,000 applications where there's not been a notice of award or denial issued to a venue operator so far 110 san francisco businesses have received svog awards to date but again, still, a dis has been made but hopefully in the

next few weeks there's steady progress on getting the decisions out and out to our venues, after all the applications that were filed during the first 60 days of the veil ability they will issue supplemental awards to qualifying businesses which is another really positive step there is supplemental funding available as well. on the restaurant ve vitalization opportunity that's the federal grant for restaurants, bars, other food and beverage businesses in total that program received 278 applications totaling $72.2 billion in requests which was again far beyond the 28.6 and all has been exhaust and

1300 an fran businesses received around $815 million in grants so it's great for those businesses but there's still a massive amount of need out there so legislation has been introduced in congress to add $60 million for the restaurant revitalization fund and i've heard discussion as well but if it bill has been introduced this could be attached to an infrastructure bill or some other bill that is currently under consideration moving forward. on the state front, i'm happy to note the state budget that was signed into law by the governor includes a california venue grant program at the state level and $150 million allocated in

california and really a ton of credit to the california chapter of the national independent and they did a lot of advocacy here and a number of our local venue advocates are part of that state wide effort. it will be through the california office of the small business advocate and the requirement is similar to the svog program so hopefully not a lot of prize for business owners and they can take a lot of materials for svog and apply for the state venue program and grant amounts will be 20% of the venue's gross earned revenue in california in 2019 up to a maximum. more 20 come if that program guess off the ground. the legislation sb314 which will continue for the extension of the temporary abc premises and

the outdoor service areas and that is moving forward to make the to go sales per thundershower and continue to go .the entertainment zone legislation that will be taken up again in january. a tip of the hat to the office of small business and getting those applications processed and getting awards out the door before and in most or all cases before the sba was able to get money out to venues so it was

for first reading today and there were a number amendments made in committee to that legislation and i think all of the entertainment related provisions of that legislation and remains in the legislation at the board and are moving forward and it did as so it is all the different entertainment pieces and how to reach out to operators or potential users in some of the temporary entertainment pieces and some of

the and communications work when those new tools are available for folks and i think that i'm done and happy to take any questions. is there a public list of the venues in san francisco that have gotten these awards and amounts there is and the small business administration has public databases of all of the recipients of these programs nation wide that you can filter down in the san francisco level. it's not clear, well a couple of thoughts, first off, that data does not include applicants who did not receive awards or

receive den aisles which especially in the case of that have restaurant revitalization and if and i think the only thing preventing me from want to go do a deeper dive is just there's still a lot of folks who haven't received an up or down but certainly, as we move forward, thinking about digging into the data and who received grants and what that means in terms of where the federal relief was going is absolutely something to dig into further. >> thank you. >> sure. if you do more analysis, i just love to hear area thoughts were there particular aspects of the entertainment nightlife industry in san francisco that were under

represented and in those awards or over represented or areas of unmet need or are there any policy implications or advocacy directions that we should be paying attention to especially if and being able to keep venues and the industry alive and well and at some point, i want to better understand the over all impact on the covid pandemic on nightlife. it's not over yet but in terms of what we lost, venues that closed, things like that and i feel like that would be useful in terms of how we ensure that this industry is sustainable in the face of things like this in

the future. >> absolutely commissioner. all greats questions and thoughts for analysis of that data and happy to do that work. >> president bleiman: let's move from part a to part b. >> tag teaming. i'm going to share screen and thank you, ben. i'm going to make this bigger. can everyone see the screen ok?

i'm dillon rice. good evening, everyone. this presentation this evening will provide a status update in two parts. the initial findings from our recent industry survey and the second part is staff and how the jam permit could impact future outdoor arch event activities at brick and mortar establishments and the survey is a may 2020 survey that measured the impacts and assessed the needs of the industry near the beginning of the pandemic and the shelter in place so this is is intended to get a status update and see how the industry is faring a year later and what needs and priorities have change.

it extended through july 30th, recently and we have 11 respondents compared to 169 from last year and we hope to get that number higher and and we'll give you a snapshot of what we heard so far with the intention of updating the numbers from the industry workers that respond in the next few weeks and you will receive a final report of these findings. the purpose of survey, to understand financial and social impact of the pandemic on our industry to identify the needs of the undis tree and create strategies to support the continued recovery efforts of the industry. we divided it up to focal areas

to understand industry profiles so about what is impacted where they're located and are they reaching the right people? business impacts so these are how they're effecting our businesses financially and operationally. reopening concerns and consideration from the point of view our industry now that we lifted public-health restrictions and which of our channels are being excused to what extent and what is the engagement looking like with our office. we sent the survey to our brick and mortar caller list. social media, thank you president forget particular out to your industry groups and we

will do more outreach. i'm going to go quickly here at these initial findings. this presentation is located in your fouledder. if we were talking to the same people who participated in last survey in may 2020, they said no or they weren't sure. people may have forgotten because it's over a year. in the future we may want to consider doing these surveys more frequently question should use talk they're a new sample of respondents but we heard from the local industry across a range of sectors and our own permit holders, we're reaching the right pool, just a different

pool. we asked yes, thank goodness and we got sectors and majority have been business owners and the industry representing brick and mortar. we have live music, venues, bars and nightclubs as being the most common sectors that they worked in. they were primarily business owners that included self-employed persons. we had a low response from employees 17% so it's a small sam toll so it's premature and you make an assessment on employee needs and priority as this point. it makes sense to focus on business owner data and from the

mission and own a districts. and i thought this is really helpful. the data shows that 73% had one or more permits the vast majority being p.o.e. holders and it could be higher than we

actually know. 56% said they could sustain beyond six months and i thought it was important to note. they raided eight, nine or 10 to measure the financial impact the business owners we looked at caters such as loss of business

income and individual income during may of last year through june of this year and we saw 87% of business owners lost between 75 to 100% of their income. that's profound. we see really high, those slightly less percentage of 74% and a third lost 100% of their business and individual incomes during that same time period. they have seen impact to their staff and reduction of staffing as indicators of impact to operation and business capacity and right before the shelter in place started, business owners

staffing numbers were cut in half so present time and all employees quadrupled since february of 2020 when they shelter in place was just getting started. think see what tools and strategies the businesses have been using to maintain continuity of operation and what financial burdens they may face as the city reopening opens. 40% of business owners who rented were able to get their rent waved or deferred by their lapped lords between march and july of this year, a third could not still pay their full rent in may of this year and it shows

vulnerability in a large sample of our business owners. if i'm going too fast, let me know but i'm going to keep going. we saw business owners took their activities out doors, which we all know, the pandemic which is considered considering the shared space legislation just passed in the board, a little more than a third identified to go cocktails and livestreaming as business models plan to continue and adapting working longer hours and working with less and doing more work. ghost kitchens, driving entertainment prepared meals.

we asked them to share what programs they were using. we saw the pay check protection program and the economic injury disaster loan having the most engagement and the sbog i'm just going to let ben's report speak to that data but we did have 21% save the date and we're applying for it but i'm sure it's much higher, considering ben's data. the recovery fund by the office of small business and as well as sf shines and the top responses of the survey in terms of the local financial assistance and

we had 61 of 96 places get approved so far in the review process. they reflect the concerns and impact related to reopening and lifting the most restrictions. this is concerns about reopening and listed common themes saying difficulty hiring experience staff was a concern, public transit having less service and shorter hours delta variant and fear they have to shut down

again. we head more about late-night trance sit we targeted them with this question and it was business owners and employees and it was split evenly between those two concerns and those who said no. from those who said yes, it was staff and patrons rely on bart and muni and the reduces hours and service that they have a impact on the ability for the business to stay open later. staff have to rely on bart and they live outside the city, they have to leave earlier and they have to they said less foot traffic in general.

street cleanliness. half had impact by the conditions of streets and sidewalks and they bottled up to the guest and tourists visiting these businesses so they were trash, human waste and those were the comments themes that were described and 40% were not impacted and understanding how our department, you know, does our outreach and how we engage with our industry and we took a ole and asked which channels are they using and they -- majority

identified e news letter is the primary way of getting information from us and then a quarter have not been using our on-line channels so hopefully they'll start. social media had a much lower and in terms of information and we asked and we're really key during the pandemic response and it was highly useful and hearing

tense and financial assistance and we learn more towards the useful highly useful range and there could be an area of improvement for us with the uncertainty of the delta variant so it's something to take for me since managed that news letter. so, we want aid sense of our customer service if they're working and the health rules and resources changing quickly and we can keep up the good work

we'll provide on the permit activities for the jams and the geographic distribution and they how they intersect and just for the sake of the record i'm going to talk about the background of the program and this program is launch inside september of 2020 and the permit is the temporary permit program designed to help facilitate safer outdoor and consistent with health order rules during the pandemic and we lost the program to be in assignment with the shared spaces to encourage outdoor businesses and cultural activities and help businesses support their livelihoods as well as helping improve quality of life in the neighborhoods. permits are free to apply and it will expire in december or upon the expiration of the declaration of the emergency being listed, which happens

first. wove 276 jam permits and move of them have been for on going weekly activities and so, this could be daily entertainment and it could be segment with performers and no performer and 41% have entertainment on going and they are amplify performers so a play list and.

i'm going to show you the google map. let me do that real quick here. so, this is our entertainment commission permitting map that we have on google and the daisies show you where all of the on going jam permits are located. so, you can see that there are a lot of density in like the mission and soma, north beach chinatown, so just we want to give a visual and this does not reflect the one-time beef been issuing because it wouldn't make sense to include that here since

they are over. i'm going to switch back to my slides. and wrap this up. just in terms of the geographic distribution and i did show you that map and in terms of stats, we had -- let me get my notes here. we found the mission soma and mid market north beach and chinatown had the highest number in density of jam permits and you can see that here. and this is inclusive of both the on going and the one-time jam permits. we want to take a look at which of our brick and mortar permit holders also hold jam permits and understand the potential for continuity of outdoor arts and entertainment beyond the pandemic. especially with the shared

spaces legislation passing to make them permanent. our sue have a found that 20 of the 25 jam permit holders are interested in continuing their outdoor entertainment activities beyond the pandemic so there's an appetite and a potential here to increase our city's arts infrastructure. that is the end of my presentation. i'm here for any questions. thank you for bearing with me. i hope this was informative. >> i got a few. we actually brought up a few things and and ben is still here, right.

so, good. we were down 35%, small businesses in san francisco before covid, i mean i know chinatown was hit even before the pandemic and you know, when you said 50% of the small businesspeople were concerned about the dirty streets and the clean up and now we have issues and daylight crime and robberies and things, since ben is on the line there, is there any now that we're getting more. the mayor came out with a new

plan, more embassadors, more beat cops and bicycles, you know, monitoring the tourists. is there going to be more done on the cleaning up the feces and all they mentioned in the concern on this report and i wanted to bring up on that and another comment as far as promotion. we're watching television and you get i haven't seen anything.

another thing, dillon, i don't know if you missed it but chinatown you are missing what zip code and if that adds anymore to it but there's a 94108 zip code. you only got the 94133 so anyway, those are my comments for this report. i'll leave it for the open questions. >> you've raised a number of good questions that if i tried to offer some spur spur of the moment thoughts at future meetings thinking about digging into the specific issues and the work under way and some of the issues challenged were also challenges identified by the economic and they will tackle them so i think you've

identified some good stuff to dig in inform. >> toni-marie: and circle back at a future meeting to flush out a little bit further. >> great, thank you. >> mr. perez. >> thank you. i think two other people raised their hands before me. >> i just want to be respectful. hello. dillon, i just got a quick one for you. i noticed in your presentation, that there was a pretty good uptick in people doing on-line events and i'm just curious were they doing these to create community or did they find a way to make their revenue generating or do you even know or have an opinion? >> well the question was directed to them was in terms of adapting their business model and how they did it so i would assume it was in terms driving revenue but i definitely see it's a way of building community

too sol, it would be cool to piece out some of these. >> i was just curious how they did it? did you pay a fee and you got a link? i think that would be awesome to better understand we can message to others because someone probably dialed in pretty well. people are putting up their ven yo handle and the drag queen is saying send me your tips on-line and so people are really creative with that and then, of the venues are enter grating their gofundme into these performances. >> got you, that was just my experience witnessing that and i'm sure my colleagues can share it. >> i was just going to add another anecdote of sf jazz,

they've been doing it this whole time. where they actually have had on going performances inside that they livestreamed to their audience and they did have revenue for that. >> awesome. >> thank you. >> commissioner thomas, i think you were next. >> and just to echo that people were both performing and i did a lot of like tipping over venmo and then also like kicking some money for the d.j. and give money to the venue so you would venmo and the performers' venmo and emcee's venmo or cash app or what i think there were a lot of creative fundraising things to happen. [please stand by]

>> moving forward but thank you, i think that your presentation plus ben's really gave me a better idea of what questions to be asking in here so thank you for all of this information. >> you are so welcome and is it can be worked into the summit of how we engage with our constituents with the summit so that's one idea to throw out there. we can talk about what they did and how it worked because they could have pivoted mid point having a deeper conversation about the state of the industry over all and find other examples

of the venue association and things like that that might have things to say. >> great, it's great, thank you. >> thank you, it's great to get a snapshot of the landscape for entertainment san francisco. my question is for dillon for outreach. owe h i until thed on the slide about the highest number of concentration of permits operators that we have and compared that to the number on page 8 of the number of respondents and i noticed that we have a lot of permit holders in the north beach chinatown and they were not in the top five of

respondents so i wondered if we have a lot of permit holders in those neighborhoods and there's a way that we can really kind of reach out to them to make sure they're represented. >> are you talking about the jam permit holders or the brick and mortar? >> it's jam. >> yeah, yeah. >> so, yeah, i 100% support increasing the reach and diversity of the jam permit and increasing access to that. i just wanted to show the top five was an arbitrary number but your points well taken that i feel like there's more work that can be done to increase equity and access, we're accepting applications and we're only into july and we have time for the program before it becomes

transition. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> commissioner questions or comments? >> yes. just a quick follow-up, i know we discussed this but this is more for you, ben, about sb-31 and sb-389 and 793 and if there was more to show support? it sounds like you mentioned there's broad support for it but if there's anything we can do on behalf of the industry? >> thank you commissioner, i do remember that being brought up before and apologies la and there's more follow-up to figure out if there's anything else. it should be done there. yeah, there's generally broad support which is really positive but certainly, we will follow-up on that and report back to you

if there's additional steps to take. >> i do have one last question. i don't remember if there was, in surete have a, an opportunity for any within the survey or wih either of you directly. maggie or dillon? >> speaking offer the cuff, i can't say. you will get a thorough, complete report on findings that is going to have all of the anecdotal qualitative information there and there were opening questions especially about how to best way to approach the reopening. >> i haven't received anything if yet, commissioner, but we will keep you posted and can

discuss it at our executive working group too. >> congratulations, i'm really happy we did a little bit of a preview of the survey data just thinking about how we approach and we were going to support our permit holders. this is beautiful to even just get this slice of information and i'm looking forward to the final report. >> thank you. if there's budget, can we produce a video. [laughter] >> yeah. >> that would be really cool. >> power telling in the first-person narrative will put another emotional tone to this work. >> let's talk about it in our small group and see what we can come up with. >> i just won entertainment

commission bingo because dory mentioned the power of story. that was one of my squares. [laughter] i don't know this one. what is it? >> i got a lot of sayings too. [laughter] >> president bleiman: anybody else want to comment? i have a couple things. i'll go last. i want today ask to all staff, including ben, what we are doing to share the data that we have and the updates with the leaders in the city. the mayor's office is informed and especially with the supervisor because some things jumped out inform me. one thing was the 64% who have no rent relief and i have a

feeling rent is a killer for businesses that made it through the pandemic and we can do more and i know there are items out there for helping but i think that is a very compelling number and i think a lot of people think that lapped lords just kind of met everybody in the middle or waved rent and it's just not the case and when you start asking around. the other thing is just the staggering numbers on the bart train and the cleanliness and i mean cleanliness was 50% and i thought it was lower than i expected and i think people are just happy to be a around. on the bart side of things we should be continue to go do better on that angle and so have we -- do we have a plan for sharing it with the leaders and can i help with that? >> absolutely. i wasn't planning on sharing out the initial findings from this report. because the survey is not complete yet and you guys do

have the presentations in your e-mails and it's public record and you feel free to share but please, just give the caveat that these are initial findings and the survey is still on going and when it's complete, we're going to go ahead and share up through the mayor's office, support supervisor, oewd, we'll probably share with the chamber and we'll think through with you president and our survey results went far and wide and utilized for a lot of work so that's the goal again this time for this. >> president bleiman: got it. perfect. i'd love to be a part of that so please, let me know. and i don't know if anybody else called it o. i was listening, the incredible results at the end of your survey, dillon, were on our responsiveness and how much information people got from us. we are a city department who regulates our permit holders.

we're not just flowers and kitty cats and roses here. for us to be so trusted and so attentive and helpful and to see that back is a testament to thio call out any specific departments in san francisco burr i would love to see some of the answers to that question on some of the other departments in san francisco just as a comparison. especially once that do things like parking tickets, and permits for other things, right. we are really -- we seem to have a lot of trust from our people we regulate and we could be a model for how government can work and should work in a democratic progressive way going forward. so i just want to commend you all on that and it's really impressive. >> i do know we have some public comments here so i'll turn it over to dillon to manage that.

>> w. i see one hand raised from matthew so matthew, go into unmute you in a short bit. matthew, can you hear us? you have two minutes, thank you. >> hi, thank you for your time. i just appreciate everything thaw guys do. the jam tem are permit does it bypass notification of neighbors and regulations a llp would enforce and does it take no consideration good neighbor policy >> this is not public comment for asking questions and having them answered. but, so we'll take that as a

comment, it's a rhetorical comment as we are required to. i encourage to you reach out to our staff, maggie and she can help answer those questions for you. thank you for your comments. are there other comments? i do not see any others. we'll close public comment on this agenda item. that was the longest presentation that we've had here that was gripping, so thank you. usually there's an inverse relationship between length and grip but that was really interesting. thank you to both you guys. great job. >> thank you. >> all right. the next agenda item is number 6, hearing and applications for permits under the jurisdiction

of the entertainment commission and we'll begin with the content agenda acted on by a single role call vote of the commission unless a member of the commission or the public requests to make comment and consent agenda will not include time for discussion. president, are you ready to have me present? >> president bleiman: please, do. >> good evening, commissioners, again, so, we have a packed agenda and i went ahead and put the first seven permits out of our eight permits on the consent agenda. historically we used to have limited live permits on consent but when we have small hearing agendas we take the opportunity to hear from the business owner because we want to know what they do and we're excite beside their addition of entertainment

of business. this evening is not one of those evenings. on consent our majority limited live performances for bar part time, ocean beach cafe, which is a change in ownership, red window, end games, improve, and this is their second location and follow son vote found rewhich is a change of ownership. the mellow sp, and bus stop which is also a change in ownership and they're going to bill yard parlor permits. none of these locations had any opposition. none of them had issues with neighbors or with the police department or planning. so the staff recommendation is for the commission to vote to approve the full consent agenda calender this evening with staff recommendations. those of which listed on your commission memo. included in your files. the majority of those staff ar

approval with good neighbors policies and the exception of ocean beach cafe, and fulsome street which has additional conditions that were sent over from richmond station and southern station permit officers respectively. please, let me know if you have questions, i see all of the owners are here attending and sim they will chat with you and they're excited to get their permits. >> the last minute additions to their conditions is that something that was just cents or it was already on the -- i just read everything. so that is already in there, right, the additional conditions? >> there were no last-minute added conditions. i'm not sure what you were referring to. >> you said there was additional

conditions. not just within the hour. those were already put in. >> yeah, so the five out of seven of these permit applications were just recommended good neighbor policy. two of them we're also recommending conditions set fourth from sfpd so one of them is ocean beach cafe which has one added sfpd condition on calender of events and we included ourselves on that required condition as well so we can monitor it and then the other one is for fulsome street which southern station did submit over and they're standard and the previous owner had the same conditions and i also

didn't hear opposition around the conditions when they were sent and the same goes for ocean beach cafe. >> president bleiman: let's open this up to public comment. >> i'm going to slash the public comment side because we have several of these on consent. just as a courtesy. for a few more seconds. i am scanning right now and i do not see any public comment. >> we'll close public comment on these. do we have a motion to approve the consent agenda?

>> i move to approve with staff recommendations. >> second. >> president bleiman: ok. motion has been made and seconded and we can have a vote. >> clerk: [roll call vote] >> president bleiman: the consent agenda has been approved. congratulations to all of those applicants. follow-up with our staff as early as you possibly can to figure out next steps. and congratulations again. the next -- >> clerk: i will follow-up with all of you. you will get your permits soon. >> typical maggie, she won't even wait for you. please, wait for me. thank you.

>> president bleiman: all right. concept agenda is completed. ok. and now we'll move onto the regular agenda. we have one permit application tonight and director wylan will introduce it. >> the only permit tonight is a limited live performance permit for gestalt. gestalt has been around for a while. they've been operating during covid both indoor and outdoor entertainment and as you recalls due to neighbor complaints, we became aware of this operation and the lack of permits at the location. the entertainment commission staff worked to bring it into the compliance for the jam permit for outdoor spaces and educated the owner on the need to apply from a limited live performance permit if he wished to host djs. i believe the venue on the

applies for limited live for a permit that would allow him to go later than 10:00 p.m. and these issues were present try to gestalt comes to our office to apply and come into compliance so those issues with neighbors and and they have prepared to come to the hearing and have a public notice and had to reach out to neighbors and all of that and you know at this think at the same time, they were continuing to use their jam permits and have outdoor souped which i think was bother some so, you will see in your files

there's a history of complaints and beginning in april of 2021 and until now and there's about 20 complaints on will and we visited in real-time many times and not in response to every single complaint and we have taken an educational approach and bringing back to compliance and we've provided discipline and that we have presented in our hearings so the other has done outreach to the neighbors so there's a folder that shows proof of the outreach that gestalt has done but there's another folder in your file with eight letters of neighbor oppositions to the venue and for both outdoor and indoor sound and entertainment. so just for your awareness, my plan on the jam fronts and have spoken with the owner about this is to administratively

recondition gestalt's jam permit immediately this week is the plan to ensure that their outdoor live performances are limited due to the nature of how loud live bands can be which is what they've been having outside. and considering the neighbors are next dor and impact second-degree, we will go for several other permitted ed weallow for a certain numberf special events a month to be able to do that it were a louder sound limit. we start at 4:00. which is what we like to do with g estalt so they would send us a calender in advance and those would be notifying their neighbors we will so they can anticipate a louder evening four times a week. aside from that, they have to comply with sound limits for

their patrons and so we would be monitoring that and for the llp permit, sfpd had no issues with this permit and staff is recommending at this time that commissioner look to approve this with the good neighbor policy and we would like it if you would advise us as well a internal sound limit we we don't always do for llps and beyond that, up to you if you have any other creative continuing you want to toss my way for a thought later. here to tell you more a little bit about their business, is owner daniel hawkins and i think dillon can bring him on in as participant. >> he is coming in right now. if you can hear us unmute

yourself. >> you can hear me now? can you see me. we cannot see you but we can hear you. >> start video. hello? yeah, so, we would love to get this permit. it would help us remain relevant in the community. we are really having trouble surviving without live music. wove love to be able to -- so, yeah. we are planning on moving our speakers down from the ceiling and getting a decibel reader and moving everything inside by 10:00 p.m. and we'd not to have love music outside and have it all inside. even just pull the jam permit inside and do everything inside and so just want it would be

helpful for this business to survive and getting this permit and there's a lot of people in the neighborhood that very much appreciate the live music and musicians are really, really eager to play and and djs and it would be very helpful to this business and remaining.

>> president bleiman: i'd like to turn to public comment first before we ask questions because i think there's maybe some members of the public who want to talk about this and it would help inform the questions that we would have for the permit applicant. can we go ahead and open this to public comment and we'll get those first and hear from the neighbors. >> go ahead. >> ok, if you are wishing to comment, raise your hands so i can see and i can unmute you. thank you. i'm going to start with jay sanders. so, jay, if you can hear us, unmute yourself. >> can you hear me? >> yes, thank you. you have two minutes. >> great, thank you to the commissioner for allowing me a few minutes to talk in support of renewing or at least issuing

a permit at gestalts. i'm a professional musician. i live work and perform professionally in this city. i live two blocks away from gestalt. it differ it's a the neighborhood from just bars around there. i wasn't aware of the complaints or the permits situation but i would highly recommend issuing a permit to gestalt. i look forward to having a beer and listen to live music. it's been rough for musicians during covid, i'm sure you guys know and just to have another venue close would be a pretty big tragedy. i wanted to offer my public comment in support of issuing the permit to gestalt.

i value the service and i leave it there. thank you for your time. >> dillon, you are on mute. >> the next person for public comment is matthew. wanting to -- matthew if you can hear us please, unmute yourself. you have two minutes. >> my question was, i guess, i can assume that gestalt got a jam permit but again, my question was, is jam permit by pass regulations of a regular llp permit and i'll e-mail marilyn later on about that but, as of today, [please stand by]

>> hello, daniel. i'm just checking again and there are no hands raised and there's no call in and there's nothing in the chat and i will defer how you want to proceed. i want to give plenty of time. we'll close public comment on this.

and we can entertain commissioner questions. i'm go first as you usually do. >> so all your music is live. >> correct. >> right now the bands bring in all their own equipment. do you have anyway to run their pa system or keep the sound levels or is basically it's up to the band? >> i communicate with the band and we need to have a very distinct decibel level to go by. there's talk of doing a reading the sound level and decibel

level and we can all be on the same page and see what makes sense and how to be in compliance and make sure that we're not too loud for the neighbors and not too loud for everyone involved and so i think that's a good first step. yes, we do have monsters, 1,000-watt monitors so if it's not an acoustic jazz band they'll bring in their own amplifiers and they set up their own equipment inside and we should be able, the neighbors that commented on it being heard half a block away we should be able to keep the sound inside with the steps to pull the speakers off the ceiling and put curtains up and contain the

noise inside and be aware of the dis bell level and be conscious of how we are all understanding it makes sense and it's not too loud. >> not to stop you but can you tell me your background about running an entertainment spot, especially when you have bands? i mean, did you used to work at a club or were you a musician before? >> i group with a musical background. i board is a accomplished musician and i play guitar but this place is my establishment since 2006. before that you i have a master in public-health and worked in general hospital and the ucsf so i moved from public-health to running a craft beer bar and beer and sausage bar so i don't have experience, i have been a lot of live shows so i'm eager

to know how to keep the noise down. >> so, the thing is when you got your jam permit, you were informed about stern decibels on sound. i mean, when you have amplification you have neighbors and you are aware obviously you have sensitive neighbors. that was communicated to you, correct? >> correct. correct. the decibel levels were communicated i don't recall there was an actual decibel reading that we were told we have to comply with and there's an ambient noise with the jam permit and music outside that was 50 feet and that was what was conveyed and that's what we've been trying to do and it turns out it's difficult to do and i would gladly not do any music outdoor anymore because it seems to be difficult to really

accommodate the neighbors at all with music outside. >> the thing is, you can, if you responsively think it's too loud and you tell your band that it's really too loud, i'm getting to the point where you've been -- i've been looking at the complaints and it's been going on for months and the staff has been coming there to talk to you about it. we as owners have to take responsibility to our neighbors. i mean, live music is difficult because you can only mic certain things like just the vocals. if you just let your bands just do your thing if it's hard to maintain a sound level. do you have to take your speakers down from the ceiling. we have places that have speak. i have places that have speakers

on the zealing and i run music at some of my places. yes, we haven't sound curtain and ceiling tiles but you have to know when your surroundings are and i worry that you are just letting the bands play and you are not controlling it. djs are easy to tell them to turn it down or you have a compress err on the system but do you have a sound man. obviously you are not investing in sound equipment are you? >> i've heard of it. i haven't seen it. there's three of them and we don't have a pacioretty a.

get clear and i can crack-down on my bands and make sure they're not exceed north decibel level and keep the volume down and the neighbors are complaining and it's just simply difficult to contain outside and i'd like to just bring it all inside and be able to contain it inside better than outside. >> let me ask you, on kind of

more of a -- what happens if the band doesn't listen to you and they don't care to enter that to the music and the jam. would you bring them back again for not listening to you? >> no, i would not. we're going to keep turning it up. >> you understand ambient levels. >> yeah, i'm learning about it. it's not clear. >> you know the permit, even if you play inside, it's not so supposed to be anything above a

certain ambient, meaning your outdoor and if you want it louder and i'm concerned about continuing disturbing your neighbors because, you know, i have this issue with my bands too, you know, i can only mic the vocals but i can't really control the band unless i'm really strict with them. it's good to be responsible not just for -- you've been in the -- i thank commissioner thomas can weigh in. you work indoors if your bands are playing and you will have an eardrum problem so -- you've been in the industry so, anyway,

that's my concerns and so i'll let another commissioners talk. thank you. >> understood. >> president bleiman: questions? >> thank you, president. hello. matthew, right? daniel, hi, daniel. thank you for coming in. first of all, i just want to say appreciate the letter you wrote to your neighbors and i read it and i really appreciate that you didn't ask them and invited them to and and speak if they have opposition to your permit. i thought that was really nice thing to encloud in your letter. thank you for that. actually i have a question for executive director maggie. he has a jam permit and it's employing for a l lp? >> that's right. >> daniel, you mentioned earlier that you want to bring

everything indoors by 10:00 p.m. and i'm not sure if you just misspoke but you do know that llp permit ends at 10:00 p.m., correct, after 10:00 p.m. can you not have anymore amplifying sound. >> that includes his out dor jam as well, just an fyi. >> sure, i'm not sure you misspoke when you want to bring everything inside at 10:00 p.m. so 10:00 p.m. means no more music. right, daniel? >> not even pre-recorded mutes i musicafter 10:00 p.m.? just my own computer? >> as you are aware from the many times we've gone out and spoken with you, you are allowed to have pre-recorded music inside after 10:00 p.m., no entertainment or amplified sound outside after 10:00 and no entertainment inside after 10:00. >> understood, ok, that's what i thought. >> perfect. >> thank you, daniel.

my other question for you, daniel, what is your policy right now on handling neighbors' complaints? how do you handle them? how do you receive them and how do you respond and what's your sort of turn around time in being able to respond to your neighbor if they complain to you? >> i need to be more accessible and have my phone number available to neighbors. i can put that in the window or essentially answer phone calls or written e-mails and discuss it with them. and that's what i understand is necessary. that is your good neighbor requirement and to have a phone number, it doesn't have to be yours but a phone number available for your neighbors so they can call and they'll be monitored by someone and

responded in timely manner and i might want to recommend to you that maybe you can keep a log book and kind of log these complaints so that you can kind of see if there's a pattern of same type of complaints or you can sort of address them internally and know which bands are being more loud or not abusing their amplified sound privilege and things like that. >> right. >> you are aware that there are 17 complaints between april and july of this month, correct? >> correct. >> all right. and so, how did you respond to those complaints, if i may ask? >> i just reacted. i tried to take the noise down. it was understood that i have to do better at responding to these complaints. i need to have my number available and i thought i did

and i node to work on that. it will be up in the window. it will be available and we can come in the bar at any time and get my number. i told my bar tenders, that if anyone comes in with a complaint, give them my number. essentially. so i can just have that. i'm not sure i should put my number on the window but maybe if it's essentially if you come in and noise complaints, need to come to talk to the bartender and be directed to the owner. if that seems reasonable. >> that's all my question. thank you president bleiman. >> i think i share some of the concerns of my colleagues here. the number of complaints and the times that our staff have visited your establishment, i am

definitely encouraged that you are planning to have a dedicate the point person and you are going to make yourself more available. some of this sounds more reactive. i would like to hear more about the measures to be proactive to prevent these complaints from happening in the first place. it's pretty unacceptable to me the amount of times that we've had to go out there and take a more educational approach as to what the sound levels should be and it doesn't seem like that has resulted in any change in how you are operating these events and how you are hosting performances. so, yeah, i was just really wanting to hear more of what you are going to do to mitigate this going forward? >> i appreciate it.

making myself more available and getting a good idea of -- i think you are having a connectivity issue. you are cutting in and out. it's understood. and not something we haven't exceed so if you have a idea of (inaudible) and what isn't. and when i get that number, if we can the entertainment commission come through and do a decibel level of what acceptable.

all i got was staff letting you know the appropriate decibel level. my colleagues commissioner lee gave a helpful suggestion having your own sound system as one method and my colleagues commissioner perez about having a standard protocol for responding to complaints and i missed out on some of the other stuff. i don't know if it was a connection issue. >> president bleiman: is there a way to share with him the call in number because i don't want us to have -- can you call in, daniel? is that possible? if we're able to share that call-in number with you. can someone text him or do we want to put it in the chatbox? >> i can do chatbox. >> we're going to put it in the chatbox. see the chatbox to the right.

on the bottom of the screen, it says chat. on the bottom of the screen it says chat. >> yeah. >> click the chat and then the number will be on the right and make sure you write it down because this isn't working. >> let me what i died. >> i just put it in the chat and we just dialed the number and the meeting i.d. and if you just do star 9, raise your hand, i will let you in. you have to hang up first you

have to leave the meeting. do you want me to verbally tell you. >> daniel, mute yourself, are you using your phone for this or your computer? >> i'm using my computer. >> mute yourself here and then using your phone, so you are still here, dial the number and the chatbox. and then you are going to do the meeting i.d. which is the next number and when you are done with that, hit star 9. you can do the first number, second number and then star 9. >> i'm keeping a lookout. >> thank you.

>> this is irrelevant, but dave, do you have a bird? how can you tell that's me?

>> everyone else has their mute on? >> i have 12 baby chicks. i'm the only one in downtown san francisco with baby chicks right now. >> chickens? >> yes. but i'm also the only one in our commission that doesn't have a cat. they're going into my place up north. >> my cat would love to meet your -- >> [laughter] >> that is funny, i didn't know they were coming over the mic. do you want me to mute? >> it sounds so cute. maybe at the end of the meeting i'll bring a couple up. >> as you should and i'm very curious to hear more about why you have these in your possession. >> it looks like we may have daniel here. mute your computer and your phone and make sure that they're muted. now, unmute your phone. and speak on your phone. dillon, he is in, right?

>> yes, he is. he has to unmute. >> i can unmute him, can't i? >> now. >> he is allowed to talk? >> he just needs to hit unmute on his phone. we're so close. maybe he didn't dial star 9 maybe? >> w. he wouldn't be showing here if he didn't hit star 9 would he? >> if you haven't hit star 9, hit star 9. i think you told him to mute his computer so he is not hearing anything that we're saying. >> he can hear us.

>> daniel, can you tell us berrien you are at. whereyou are at. >> we got him. you got to mute the computer, though. >> your phone is picking up what you are saying and echoing. do you want to try talking on your computer? >> i can hear you, hopefully this will hold up. it wasn't muted and it still wouldn't star 9 still nothing happened. and you couldn't hear me. >> president bleiman: i believe commissioner wang was still asking some questions and we got a little derailed because of the technical difficulties so commissioner wang, do you want

to continue along with the line of questioning or have you heard enough? >> i have no new questions. i don't think with can hear your response? >> i just, yeah, soundproofing and just communicating with the neighbors and making sure my numbers are available and from the people coming into the talk to the bartender and they're able to access my number and call me directly with sound complaints and and the majority

of the complaints are based around loud base coming from the inside and less about the outdoor bands in the parklet but yeah, the next big step is to

conduct that sound test and we'll bring them into compliance. >> we will note, right, that from the times that we've enter acted with gestalts, we have been clear about sound levels and as you guys know, we do not set sound limits for jam permits unless there's on going issues or they're doing live performances and we can set one for and so that is what we're going to go ahead and do this week and ensure that they're com ploy ant with annual a and c weighted levels circle indoors and outdoor. and also just making sure when they do indoor, they have all of their doors to the.

>> frankly, it's going to come down to your perform apps, you can say whatever you want tonight, it's going to come down to your performance. i think what i want to make sure you are very aware of and mindful of, you are in a slippery slope because you operated without a permit, the decision has been proactive in work towards bringing into compliance and we're now doing that. if the problem continues, a potential outcome is losing your license and then actually us treating you as an unlawful business practice. i really want you -- so you are behind the eight ball. that's my message to you, i would really take all the advice you are hearing tonight and the concerns of your community very seriously. that aside, i we are you the wit of luck and i want this to be a success. >> thank you, that's understood.

>> commissioner thomas. >> well, first of all, as a public-health perp, i just wanted to say i appreciate someone who has been able to make the transition from working in public-health to running a bar in the mission, that's great. and sort of echo some of the other commissioners here. you know, you've been doing this without a permit, right, we are is you've gotten notice of violations for doing this without a permit. part of the goal of issuing these permits is so that we can regulate the industry and regulate the permit holders and that is, you know, among the reasons why we do that is to

manage conflict between neighbors and entertainment venues and we want all of our entertainment venues to succeed, that's why we're doing this. we want you to have a successful business and we want even to be coming through this pandemic alive and well and and part of what it means torus to have a nightlife industry in san francisco, it means mitigating concerns from neighbors and being good neighbors and recognizing that entertainment venue are part of the fabric of a neighborhood and that that goes both ways, right, and that our permit holders are upholding the culture and providing entertainment and also have to live with your neighbors and live in an urban environment and be responsive to neighbors and i hear what you are saying in terms of having the staff come

out and set decibel levels and it's appropriate but it's will be very clear that you have heard a lot of complaints from your neighbors previously and you've had staff coming in and giving you noticed of violation and it hasn't been sufficient to get you to control the sound levels with what you've been doing up until now and so, i want you to hear what we're saying in moving forward and giving you a permit here that you know, we are going to be keeping close scrutiny on this and as you were acknowledging your behavior needs to change too in terms of how you engage with your neighbors and how you are responsive to your neighbors and it's not just, you know, letting them call you on the phone but actual low taking action in response to what they're saying to ensure that you have the support from your neighbors, which you have support from some of your neighbors and not from others,

right. we want you to be fully supported by your neighbors in a way that they feel supported by you as well in terms of managing the sounds so, i hear what you are saying about meeting the decibel levels and there's commonsense involved in terms of understanding when it's time to turn the sound down. >> understood, yes. if i interject. a good first step would be to disregard the jam permit all together. not even have bands outside. that is a losing battle. essentially there's no way i can adhere to what the neighbors, the sound appropriate sound level for amplifications outside is going to be a losing battle and i would gladly forgo if i also my permit indoors. i can stop any and all bands

outside and give back the jam permit and focus making sure we contain the volume inside if we're able to get this permit. and focus on being indoors, if that makes sense. i think we should for the sake of this we should probably move this forward to a conversation here. >> thank you. we have one logistics question for you. reading through the list of complaints, and someone said that your speak ser pointed right outside the door, is that correct? >> no, no longer. it's no longer pointing outside. it's all indoors. >> it's a proactive thing that you can do that you have done

already o to make sure that the speaker is not pointed directly outside. thank you, that's all. >> i'll just close it out here. i'm actually very familiar with this. one of my friends was a manager of you and i spent a lot of time. it's a great place. from a propofol time before everything had cocktails and things and i appreciate that about it. there's a little bit of a feel in there which is really cool and something the city kind of needs more of i think so it would be a shame to see you go under but that said i'm familiar with if it gets loosey goosy in there and i've seen it's punk rock in more ways than just the music that it plays in some ways. i think we may be running up against an issue here where

there's been a betrayal of trust and you and the neighbors and you and the commission. as commissioner said, you put yourself behind the eight ball which sucks because it's hard to get out from out there but it's not impossible and you just have to one thing you may need to

consider is your choice of music, right. a lot of people do not have problems because they're not playing certain types of music and i'm not suggesting that you can only play smooth jazz and acoustic jazz but, if you are planning on having rock bands and having punk rock bands and the music you so much play on your stereo, it may not work with the layout of your bar. you have neighbors right on top of you in all around you. and so, you know, having someone slamming on drums and screaming no a microphone may not be the programming that works no matter your sound limits. tell a punk rock they can't go over 85db? what do they do? they put booze in their mouth and light it on fire and blow it at the walls.

it may not work, they need to consider if entertainment is going to work for what you have and you have a 10:00 p.m. cut off and we know from experience that you have an always adhered to that and has really, really important and we're going to check on you constantly. >> i understand that. >> president bleiman: and the other thing, the punk rock lifestyle is sweet but it has a anti establishment thing going on and that won't work with the entertainment commission. we have to work together as partners and you can't see us as the quote-unquote man coming down to stop stuff that's happening and they come hard on

the permit holders so long story short, we have to have a seat change in how you treat us, you need to be very hands on in this process and i think you need to give up your outdoor permit but you need to not blast punk rock music at your neighbors at 6:00 p.m., right. and you need to put in programming or figure out or quiet it down or whatever it takes to mick sure it's not, they're not hearing it at 50 feet and all these things are doable and it takes a lot of work on your part but when someone likes you come in and has already had a history of doing things and saying things that are factually false and we have found to be false, right, from our own eyes and our own experiences, would put more scrutiny on them.

you guarantee you are under an incredible microscope and if you are able to treat us as partners and work with you on it we'll go a lot further than if you tell us what you want to hear. i'm not saying that's what you are doing but if general it works better. i don't have any questions for you i just want say that part. depending on how this vote goes, if it does happen, we are going to be watching you and please, utilize us as a resource going forward. ok. >> absolutely. i can be in compliance and work with you on it and i feel there's a strong need for a change and attitude and a change in perspective on this whole thing and i feel strong that i can do that. >> i appreciate hearing that and the prove is in the pudding. >> i look forward to working with you and being in compliance. >> president bleiman: we appreciate the words and they're the right words, all of it will be in the action that follows up from that. thank you for saying that and

we'll be contacting you depending on how this vote goes. i would like to close this conversation if everybody is ok with that. do we have a motion to approve this limited live permit with the staff recommendations? >> can we have a vote discussion? >> absolutely. sorry. >> so, my opinion, number one, yes, all the things you said was right on. there's a trust issue. the neighbors are concerned. me as induce does tremendous ine picks it up and points it outside and do whatever he wants. normally, i mean, i know it's a live but doing bands is very difficult to maintain that noise so i'm just concerned that he doesn't have the right equipment to be able to control and what you are saying, based on the

format, if we get complaints, we can change it. i like to promote all businesses but at the same time, i mean, looking at the complaints, it's not just like it just happened, it's been months. and it's a minute that he hasn't even been really been available for the neighbors when they call. that would be my recommendation is to give him like a trial period and see. he doesn't have to give up his jam permit if he complies. it's up to him.

>> you can mute yourself. we're going to discuss this among ourselves at this point. >> ok. >> thank you so much. other comments from commissioners? >> the only comment i would make, i appreciate what commissioner lee is saying but we have the option to bring the applicant back so i'm not sure what we can add as a condition. i'm open to hearing it but i feel that if wore just hearing words tonight, and the action actionsdon't align we have resoo move swiftly. >> i tend to feel the same way. i think -- i agree with commissioner lee, i don't like regulating specific equipment or putting time lines on things, i

shall in-personal responsibility but if there's issues going forward, we do have the means and i do think there's a lot of scrutiny on this specific case and i do think that that we will be hearing about it if there are issues. >> president bleiman, many applicants have been behind the eight ball and they've heeded what we said and been huge successes, it's not like we're setting you up for failure, wore pointing out he has made this daunting. but he can succeed if he is serious. >> that's a good point and the trick for me and i said it but i'll say it again, they treat us like a partner where we're and really listening to us and take what we say into advice and do what we say because we've done this thousands of times, you know. so we have experience with no matter how annoyed his neighbors are, we've had ones that were more annoyed, right and gotten

over it. we have the ability here to help him spirit him through this. >> yeah. >> thank you. >> i think i'm fine moving this forward with staff recommendations and yeah, i'm confident that we'll hear from the neighbors and we'll hear from our staff. >> are we ready for a motion? >> then i will make a motion to approval this with all of the staff recommendations. >> i would second. >> all right. the motion is out there. >> sorry, i'm not used to this. ok.

>> clerk: [roll call vote] >> president bleiman: daniel your permit has been approved ex take heed to what we say many of it's just a limited live permit so i have faith that we can make this work. thank you everybody for that conversation and finding alignment there. the next agenda item is number 7, which is an elections of a vice president. as you recall we did this not too long ago because of a covid related snafu but wore back again this year to do it again. and i reached out to most of

you, i believe, just to state for the record that commissioner are interested in keeping our same positions and so this is a conversation on the vice president. so, i just want to sew if anybody wants to have a conversation around this or say anything first and we'll do public comment and then we can vote. >> i would like to nominate vice president of the event commission dori caminong. >> president bleiman: is there a comment. >> there is none. >> we can have a vote. >> clerk: [roll call vote]

>> president bleiman: congratulo ns! >> thank you guys so much. all right. the next agenda item is number 8. elections of a president of the entertainment commission. i will open the floor to discussion. [please stand by]

>> restaurants will be open for take out only, but nonessential stores, like bars and gyms, will close effective midnight tonight. [♪♪♪]

>> my name is sharky laguana. i am a small business owner. i own a company called vandigo van rentals. it rents vans to the music industry. i am also a member of the small business commission as appointed by mayor breed in 2019. i am a musician and have worked as a professional musician and recording artist in the 90s. [♪♪♪] >> we came up in san francisco, so i've played at most of the live venues as a performer,

and, of course, i've seen hundreds of shows over the years, and i care very, very deeply about live entertainment. in fact, when i joined the commission, i said that i was going to make a particular effort to pay attention to the arts and entertainment and make sure that those small businesses receive the level of attention that i think they deserve. >> this is a constantly and rapidly changing situation, and we are working hard to be aggressive to flatten the curve to disrupt the spread of covid-19. >> when the pandemic hit, it was crystal clear to me that this was devastating to the music industry because live venues had to completely shutdown. there was no way for them to open for even a single day or in limited capacity.

that hit me emotionally as an artist and hit me professionally, as well as a small business that caters to artists, so i was very deeply concerned about what the city could do to help the entertainment committee. we knew we needed somebody to introduce some kind of legislation to get the ball rolling, and so we just started texting supervisor haney, just harassing him, saying we need to do something, we need to do something. he said i know we need to do something, but what do we do? we eventually settled on this idea that there would be an independent venue recovery fund. >> clerk: there are 11 ayes. >> president walton: thank you. without objection, this resolution is passed unanimously. >> and we were concerned for these small mom-and-pop

businesses that contribute so much to our arts community. >> we are an extremely small venue that has the capacity to do extremely small shows. most of our staff has been working for us for over ten years. there's very little turnover in the staff, so it felt like family. sharky with the small business commission was crucial in pestering supervisor haney and others to really keep our industry top of mind. we closed down on march 13 of 2020 when we heard that there was an order to do so by the mayor, and we had to call that show in the middle of the night. they were in the middle of

their sound check, and i had to call the venue and say, we need to cancel the show tonight. >> the fund is for our live music and entertainment venues, and in its first round, it will offer grants of at least $10,000 to qualifying venues. these are venues that offer a signature amount of live entertainment programming before the pandemic and are committed to reopening and offering live entertainment spaces after the pandemic. >> it's going to, you know, just stave off the bleeding for a moment. it's the city contributing to helping make sure these venues are around, to continue to be part of the economic recovery for our city. >> when you think about the venues for events in the city, we're talking about all of them. some have been able to come

back adaptively over the last year and have been able to be shape shifters in this pandemic, and that's exciting to see, but i'm really looking forward to the day when events and venues can reopen and help drive the recovery here in san francisco. >> they have done a study that says for every dollar of ticket sales done in this city, $12 goes to neighboring businesses. from all of our vendors to the restaurants that are next to our ven sues and just so many other things that you can think of, all of which have been so negatively affected by covid. for this industry to fail is unthinkable on so many levels. it's unheard of, like, san francisco without its music scene would be a terribly dismal place.

>> i don't know that this needs to be arrest -- that there needs to be art welfare for artists. we just need to live and pay for our food, and things will take care of themselves. i think that that's not the given situation. what san francisco could do that they don't seem to do very much is really do something to support these clubs and venues that have all of these different artists performing in them. actually, i think precovid, it was, you know, don't have a warehouse party and don't do a gig. don't go outside, and don't do this. there was a lot of don't, don't, don't, and after the pandemic, they realized we're a big industry, and we bring a lot of money into this city, so they need to encourage and hope these venues. and then, you know, as far as people like me, it would be nice if you didn't only get encouraged for only singing opera or playing violin.

[♪♪♪] >> entertainment is a huge part of what is going to make this city bounce back, and we're going to need to have live music coming back, and comedy, and drag shows and everything under the sun that is fun and creative in order to get smiles back on our faces and in order to get the city moving again. [♪♪♪] >> venues serve a really vital function in society. there aren't many places where people from any walk of life, race, religion, sexuality can come together in the same room and experience joy, right? experience love, experience anything that what makes us

human, community, our connective tissues between different souls. if we were to lose this, lose this situation, you're going to lose this very vital piece of society, and just coming out of the pandemic, you know, it's going to help us recover socially? well, yeah, because we need to be in the same room with a bunch of people, and then help people across the country recover financially. >> san francisco art recovery fund, amazing. it opened yesterday on april 21. applications are open through may 5. we're encouraging everyone in the coalition to apply. there's very clear information on what's eligible, but that's basically been what our coalition has been advocating for from the beginning. you know, everyone's been supportive, and they've all been hugely integral to this program getting off the ground. you know, we found our champion with supervisor matt haney from

district six who introduced this legislation and pushed this into law. mayor breed dedicated $1.5 million this fund, and then supervisor haney matched that, so there's $3 million in this fund. this is a huge moment for our coalition. it's what we've been fighting for all along. >> one of the challenges of our business is staying on top of all the opportunities as they come back. at the office of oewd, office of economic and workforce development, if you need to speak to somebody, you can find people who can help you navigate any of the available programs and resources. >> a lot of blind optimism has kept us afloat, you know, and there's been a lot of reason for despair, but this is what keeps me in the business, and this is what keeps me fighting, you know, and