>> president cohen: welcome to the regularly scheduled san francisco police commission. sergeant reynolds, please call the roll. >> clerk: thank you, president cohen. [roll call] >> clerk: president cohen, you have a quorum. also with us today, we have a.c. mosier, and chief william scott will be joining us shortly from the san francisco

police department and director paul henderson from the department of police accountability. >> president cohen: excellent. thank you very much. ladies and gentlemen, if you are able to join me, rise and place your right hand over your heart and say the pledge of allegiance. [pledge of allegiance] >> president cohen: all right. good evening, everyone. we have a fairly light agenda, so let's go ahead and get started. we called the roll. sergeant reynolds, could you please call the first item. >> clerk: first item is general public comment. at this time, the public is now welcome to address the commission for three minutes on items that do not appear on tonight's agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the police

commission. during public comment, neither police or d.p.a. personnel, nor commissioners are required to respond. opportunities for public comment are available by calling 415-655-0001 and enter access code 2481-569-2462, then press pound and pound again. please press star, three to enter public comment. this will alert the clerk that you wish to enter the queue. please speak slowly and clearly and turn down any devices in the background. alternatively, you may make public comment in either of the following ways. e-mail the secretary of the police commission at

sfpdcommission@sfgov.org or 125 third street, san francisco, california, 94158, and it looks like we have quite a few callers. >> president cohen: thank you. >> clerk: good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> sorry. just clicked away from my script. my name is susan buchanan, and [inaudible] last week during public comment, i asked you to consider the work that berkeley is doing around eliminating racial profile in traffic stops. i have heard people be dismissive of these efforts, saying they haven't operationalized it yet or they're doing it wrong. to be fair, berkeley has only had its fair and impartial

policing recommendations for eight months, but how long have sfpd had the d.o.j. recommendations and reports? surely, six years would have been long enough to operationalize those recommendations here in san francisco. one can almost say that you and sfpd are doing something wrong. and speaking of hypocrisy, it was rich to hear the president of the police union to call for the firing of commissioner hamasaki, when no sfpd officer or sheriff's deputy has not been accountable for any

discriminatory social media post? thank you. >> clerk: thank you, caller. good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> in may 2018, a candidate for the police commission wrote the rules committee to apply for a seat on the police commission. one of the goals written in his application letter stated make the sfpd a model in transparency, accountability, integrity, and fairness. that police commissioner was john hamasaki. the same who flouts the incompatible activity by the police commission. the same who is bound by the general orders and yet violates them constantly. where is the transparency and

fairness from john hamasaki with his animus and bias with his twitter account? for a person seeking higher office as controller for the state of california, president cohen seems intent with allowing the status quo and turns a blind eye to allowing this conduct to continue. who will call for the dismissal of john hamasaki? there are a lot of checks and balances in place. time for someone to do their job. >> clerk: thank you, caller. >> good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> hi. my name is [inaudible]. i'm also with the core team of wealth and disparities in the black community. i just want to iterate susan's

comment about the need to eliminate racializing traffic stops, stop using racial bias as part of services, and we are long overdue for actually implementing that measure, and that's all. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, caller. president cohen, we have -- oh, there's one more caller. good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> good evening, police commissioners. i wanted to call in support of my police commissioner, john hamasaki. i think that his engagement in social media specifically has engendered trust in the policing establishment in san francisco and also the legal establishment in san francisco, so i wanted to thank him pretty

much for his time and attention to social outreach in his communities, and i think he's doing an excellent job showing that there is humanity still in our criminally unjust mass incarceration system. thank you very much. >> clerk: thank you, caller. president cohen, it looks as if we have another -- we have one last general public commenter who has asked to have their public comment readout loud as a reasonable accommodation under the americans with disabilities act. i will now read their comment. last week, john hamasaki tried and failed to defend posting a video that appears to show someone kicking milk crates out from under an officer and commenting, quote, i fully

support any cops who want to try this, end of quote. while he says no one assaulted the officer, which is true, hamasaki did not know that when he posted the video, as evidenced by his response to the person who posted, quote, so that guy is going to end up with assault charges for kicking the crate out from under him? that was a shitty thing to do, end of quote. hamasaki responds, quote, yeah, that's not part of the challenge, end of quote. it's clear at the time that he posted the video, hamasaki thought the person intentionally kicked the crate. if hamasaki now claims he knew it was a joke, then why didn't he post the version of the video that showed it was a joke

? hamasaki is disgraceful. maria h., and that is the end of public comment, president cohen. >> president cohen: thank you very much. i appreciate the public comment. please call the next item. >> clerk: line item 2, chief's report. weekly crime trends. provide an overview of offenses occurring in san francisco. major and significant incidents. provide a summary of planned activities and events. this will include a brief overview of any unplanned events or activities occurring in san francisco having an impact on public safety. commission discussion on unplanned events and activities the chief describes will be limited to determining whether to calendar for a future meeting. chief scott? >> president cohen: thank you. just real quick, chief, we are prepared to go with paul henderson if you need a few more minutes to collect

yourself. >> thank you, president cohen. i'm actually ready. >> president cohen: okay. perfect. all right. >> good evening, president cohen, vice president elias, commission, director henderson, and the public. i will start with crime trends this week. starting with homicide, we are up 9%, three over last year. we had 36 last year year-to-date. robberies are down 8%. in terms of robberies, that's about 130 fewer robberies than this time last year. rates are down about 30 from this time last year, and assaults are up, which is concerning because that number is increasing. we are at 1574 assaults compared to 1421 this time last year. human trafficking is up by one. that's 20 this year compared to 19 last year. in terms of our part one

property crimes, they remain steady with a 1% increase. we're up about 51 burglaries from this time last year -- 52 burglaries, i'm sorry, from this time last year. motor vehicle thefts were up 8%, and larceny and theft were starting to pick up a little bit. we're up from 18,243 last year to 18,508 this year, so that's just short of 300 crimes. property crime, we're up about 1%. that's about 400 crimes more than we had this time last year. specifically in property crime, i want to highlight auto burglaries, because they are up

18% from last year. when we look back at 2018 and 19, we're now down 26% from 2018 and 2019, 36%. i would like to point out that the extra deployment in some of our tourism corridors continue to decrease the auto break ins in that corridor as we try to hold the other parts of the city from going up. we did make some pretty significant arrests in car burglaries, including one in

progress. gun violent homicides are 29, compared to 20 last year. we had two homicides this past week to report, and as i said, year-to-date, there's 36 total homicides. if there is any good news on this homicide picture, it's that our overall clearance rate on homicides are 97%. investigators have been working really hard to clear some of our cases, both this year's cases and previous year's cases, so i want to say a big thank you to our homicide team because they are working hard to solve these cases. in terms of our gun seizures, we are continually increasing our gun seizures from what we were last year. we've had 115 ghost gun

recoveries this year. we only had 116 for the entire year 2020, so that is something we'll continue to focus on working with our a.t.f. partners and some of our other partners in the region because we know that a number of these gun-related crimes are connected outside of the city, and that continues to be an issue we will work to try to make better. i want to talk a little bit about the homicides. the first homicide that was reported was on the 700 block of kirkwood in the bayview district. the victim, a 37-year-old male left his house to run an errand. his girlfriend heard a knock on her door and when she answered, she found the victim suffering from his injuries. he was transported to the hospital and succumbed to his

injuries. we have not identified anybody in this particular case as of yet, but the investigation is on going, and i will keep the commission and the public posted. if you have any information, please call us. you can remain anonymous at 415-575-4444. the second one, i actually reported on this last week, but i will -- i'll highlight it again because we do need the public's help on this one. there's been shots notification, and officered located a deceased 19-year-old male. he had been shot. it was on san bruno. the victim's friends noticed what had happened and that he had been shot and called 911. we do not have any suspects in

this case, so if you know what happened or have any information, call 415-575-4444. you can remain anonymous. we made a second arrest on a homicide that occurred on august 17 in the tenderloin district. the victim was a 48-year-old male who was privately transported to the hospital with life threatening injuries who later succumbed to his injuries. we later found out that the suspect had been assaulted in the 800 block of larkin, when one of the suspects shot -- that the victim had been assaulted in the 800 block of larkin by several suspect. a second suspect was booked on

september 3 for imprisonment, murder, and conspiracy. so there were others involved in this that we're still looking into. two of the suspects have been involved. a shooting on garrett and ingleside. officers responded and found 1444 caliber casings and car and residential windows damaged by gun shots, so that is another case where we need the public's help. if you know anything, call 575-4444. that still remained unsolved. another shooting, a victim advised he was riding a bicycle

south on van ness at 12 street when he heard three gunshots. he fell off his bike and realized that he had been shot. he saw a vehicle speed off eastbound on mission street and flagged a passer by down who took him to the hospital. in this case, i believe the gun shot may have been self-inflicted, so that investigation is still on going to determine the cause of that shooting. we had another shooting in the 400 block of jones street in the tenderloin. our victim, hispanic male 48 years old, advised he was banging on a door of an apartment to droo try and get his cell phone when a shot came through the door. he was transported to the hospital and is expected to survive. we know where the shots came from, so we just have to figure

out who fire the shot and hope to bring that to a resolution with identifying who the shooter was. the last case was an 18-year-old victim was out with friends when the subject opened fire and shot the victim in the face and head area. the witness observed the victim and his friends and attempted -- attempted to get in the bar -- the victim and his friends were attempting to get in the bar but some unsuccessful. the witness returned to the bar and observed that our victim and his friends were being chased by an unidentified subject who eventually fired at the group and suspect the victim. we did identify the suspect and served search warrants, and charges have been filed by the district attorney, so that case has been resolved. as far as the strategy, a little more detail, i mentioned what we were doing in the

tourism corridors. that will continue to be a strategy. 14 additional officers have been placed in the central district, and that is in addition to the central district officers that regularly patrol those areas. i am happy to announce that our ambassador program has reached its second phase, and you will remember you approved the ambassador program several months ago. we just hired another group of former sfpd members, and they have gone through their training and orientation, and i just saw some of them in chinatown, and they are very well received by the community. for the public who are not familiar with this, this is a program that we implemented

actually during 2020, where we hire, through the prop f program, retired and former officers, and they patrol neighborhoods on foot, and it will be expanded to chinatown and other parts of the city. got to talk with one ambassador, and he's glad to be back and doing that type of community engagement. additional strategies is, as a part of our tourism deployment plan, we have additional officers in golden gate park on bikes, and also, that allows for our district officers to focus more on the residential burglaries that have plagued that area, so that's on going, as well. we have brought them down a

little bit, but a lot more work needs to be done. the southern district is focusing on car break ins along [inaudible] street and harrison street and have support from our motorcycle unit to make sure we deter as much of these types of incidents as we can. and then, in the park district, we had deployed two additional officers. this is in addition to our regular foot beat officers, and they're working the haight street commercial corridor. we've had some issues with just quality of life issues. the [inaudible] team is working that area, also working with the department of public works to make sure that the streets stay as clean as they're able to keep them. also on a sad note and a way more serious note, we had a homicide there this morning along that block, and it's

unsolved as to right now. it was a stabbing homicide. i'll report further details on it at next week's report, but our investigators are trying to figure out who committed that homicide, and if the public knows anything, definitely, we need your help on that, as well. that is the chief's report. nothing to report on any domestic terrorism incidents, although, i will say on that note, saturday marks the 20 anniversary of 9-11. we're going to have, led by the fire department, a memorial service on saturday morning and also meeting with our federal partners on briefings on what's going on throughout the nation with that issue. sometimes on these anniversaries people that are prone to act out on these acts,

so that is my report this week, and i'm happy to answer questions. >> president cohen: thank you. first, i have a couple of questions for you, but first, thank you for recognizing the 20 anniversary of 9-11. i also appreciate you incorporating terrorist attacks in your report. also wanted to really get a better grasp of your understanding. so you report out the data, the violence, the shootings, the homicides. you read the statistics. i wonder if you could add a little context or color to those numbers. what are you seeing? what are your investigators telling you? what are some of the driving

forces for these shootings that are happening or homicides that are happening? >> yeah, thank you for giving me an opportunity to dig into this. so the data that we presented on the police commission on the victims still remain to be true. i have vast criminal histories on them, unfortunately. that is what we've seen, and that continues to be the case. one of the homicides that we reported on we believe to be driven by narcotics activity. some of people involved were known to be frequent narcotics traffickers, but the homicide itself we don't believe to be narcotics related. it's one of those conditions where we believe a separate

dispute led to this person losing his life. a lot of our homicides and shooting continue to be group dynamic involved. not necessarily gang related because it's not necessarily gangs. these people are tight because they are involved in this social network. they get into a beef, and it leads to a shooting. that is the biggest issue in our city, with the shootings and the homicide. the one that i reported this morning on haight street, we don't have suspects in custody. we know, unfortunately, that the victim was living on the street, but we have some evidence that we're looking into that indicate that's it might have been -- that indicates that it might have been some type of dispute. several of our recent homicides have been disputes that may have started from some other, you know, incident in the past

that led to gun violence. so some of what's happening the last three or four years are still happening. >> president cohen: so what happens to these cases when people are not willing to testify? >> fortunately, there's a lot of private individuals and private businesses that have videos, and we're getting very good cooperation from members in our community, so that

evidence has been very, very valuable. very valuable. the other thing i'd like to point out, and this goes back to the strategies that we presented to the police commission, trying to get in front of these shootings as much as we can. the identification of the people that are the most at risk is paying dividends for us. i can cite two examples from this week where officers were alerted to a victim that was either going to be involved in a shooting or a victim of a shooting. that led to officers contacting an individual who we believe was at risk of being a victim. long story short, we were able to intervene, and actually,

that individual, because he believed he would be targeted, he was walking around with a gun. we had to arrest him because he had a gun, but that's one of the things where we get in front of these violence confrontations. another san franciscan that we just released from prison, we were able to do some outreach on him because we felt he was subject to be at risk on either side of that equation, and unfortunately, our officers arrested him. he had several guns on him, and he was arrested for being in possession of handguns earlier this week. it definitely gives us a better

direction on where to focus our efforts on. >> president cohen: thank you. colleagues, are there any other questions for the chief today? thank you. don't see any indication in the chat and don't see any other hands, so turn it over to director henderson. >> good evening. >> clerk: president cohen? >> president cohen: yes? >> clerk: we need to take public comment before we go to -- >> president cohen: yes, thank you. >> clerk: if you would like to make public comment, please press star, three to be recognized. good evening, caller. you have two minutes. >> hello, hi.

this is miss brown. i was just calling regarding my son, arbery, who was murdered august 6, 2009, and his murder remains unsolved. last meeting, i gave information regarding a person -- >> clerk: miss brown, can we -- >> president cohen: yeah, we're going to have to stop you from putting personal information on the record. >> okay. well, i gave information, and i haven't heard anything if anybody called or anything, and i'm sorry. so to this day, my son's homicide isn't solved, and i as

a mother is still going through that trauma. i thank the police for being there for the vigil this year and every day. i just wanted to say that his case is still unsolved, and for putting those pictures in the police stations, that maybe someone will come forth, but just hoping that someone will get in touch with the person that i named and go from there, and maybe i'll call my investigator, and again, i didn't know i wasn't supposed to do that. i was just trying to get justice for my child. i've been fighting for 16 years to get justice for my son's case. i don't know what else to do. all i know how to do, and i'm pretty sure i'm the only one probably doing it, so i just need help, and whoever gives me information, i should say

something, and i don't know what to say or who to say it to. thank you. >> clerk: thank you, miss brown, for your comment. for members of the public who may have information regarding the murder of aubrey, please call the anonymous tip line: 415-575-4444. once again, the number is 415-575-4444. and president cohen, that concludes public comment. >> president cohen: thank you very much. we'll hear next from director henderson. >> clerk: thank you. >> thank you. so i will start with the

summary of cases. we are currently at 575 cases that are open currently, and this year, we closed so far 590 cases. we have currently open cases, 312 cases, and we have 23 cases whose investigations have extended beyond the nine-month period. again, as a point of reference, that's still within the time frame of our 3304 deadlines. of those numbers for the current cases, 18 of those cases are tolled cases, and we have 25 cases that have been mediated so far. amongst the cases that are

pending, there are 14 of the cases that are open with the police commissioners, and amongst the cases that are awaiting chief's decision are 12. for the weekly trends, we received 18 new cases in the past week, 30% of those allegations were -- involved officers that behaved or spoke in a manner unbecoming of an officer. 15% required officers failing to take action. 4% were an officer displaying threatening, intimidating, or harassing behavior. another 4% where an officer provided incomplete accident or incident report. 4% the officer exhibited

spurious behavior, and 4% for the officer's discourteous behavior statements were related to ethnicity or race, as well. it's a total of 27 allegations. for the monthly statistical report, that information has been filed. i'll just present the summary there in the documents that have been previously provided and have been posted. d.p.a. received 58 complaints total in june, which was a decrease of 6% year-to-date. and in 2021, the total number of complaints received were 397. in 2020, the total number of complaints received were 421. i'm giving you the summaries of the information.

in june, of the 58 cases involved, 11 is were officered who failed to take action, 4% were officers displayed unbecoming behavior, 4% involved an officer who failed to properly investigate, and 3% involved an officer who demonstrated biased policing or discrimination. these are allegations, as a reminder, and that was a total of 112 allegations. for july, d.p.a. received 65 complaints in june, which is an increase of 3% from the same period last year but a decrease of 9% for year-to-date comparison. so in 2020, the total complaints received from july

were 506, and in july, the total number of complaints were 462. in july, of the 46 cases received in july, 12% involved an officer who based or spoke in a manner unbecoming of an officer. 12% involved an officer who failed to take required action. 6% involved an officer failing to properly investigate. 5% involved an officer who prepared an incomplete or inaccurate officer report. 4% involved an officer who knowingly engaged in false information or discrimination, and 3% were case referrals. typically, case referrals are cases that are referred to other agencies. that's a total of 147 allegations. in terms of audits, today, wednesday, september 8, the department of police accountability and the controller's office had their entrance conference with the sfpd, the police department,

for their audit on how the police department has currently handled officer's conduct. that is one of the items that d.p.a. is tasked to perform. there have been a number of virtual presentations in the monthly community meetings happening at the station, the police station, including mission station, tenderloin station, and the bayview station on various dates. also, on the second, d.p.a. participated with the megablack organization with the director from h.r.c., sheryl davis, focusing on the greenkeeper initiative fellowship as well as the mayor's budget office. tonight, d.p.a. has no cases that are in the closed session. also on the call with me are senior investigator chris

shenau in case there are cases that come up, and also on the call, staff diana rodenstein who would love an opportunity to chat with all of you. our website, in case folks want to get in contact with the organization, is sfgov.org/dpa. you can also contact the office at 415-241-7711, and that concludes my presentation. again, i'd like to -- there's more details in the documents that have been filed with the commission and are on our website, but i wanted to present a summary of them, and some of this information was catch up from the period where we weren't meeting in august, so all of these reports would be in. and just so we're clear, we continued maintaining our reporting obligations for weekly, monthly, quarterly, and

annually throughout the break. that's just some of the information in case the public hadn't seen it or wasn't aware. it can be found on the new website we just launched in case folks want to see more of the details. that concludes my presentation. thank you. >> president cohen: great. thank you. so i'm going to ask you the same question that i asked chief. you have presented a numeric summary of what your caseload is looking like and the percentage of change. let me ask you, what is driving the increases, the changes, the decreases? tell me -- put a story behind these numbers. >> yeah. i think a lot of the stories -- that's why, in my numbers, i give you the actual allegations so you can see from month to month and now week to week that you can see a lot of the cases that are coming in. i believe they're influenced by what's happening in the city,

and i believe a lot of those numbers are influenced greatly by what policing is taking place on the streets during the pandemic. if you take a look at what was happening on the streets prepandemic -- and we've seen just from the reports that i'm given, week to week, how things have changed from the shelter in place, shelter at home rulings shifted, when people returned to work, when the delta variant came around, and the people went back home, you can see the shift in the complaints that we're getting. i just want to point out, the information that i'm giving is preanalysis before it shakes out into sustained cases, but it's an absolute allegation that the public is making both to my office literally

individually and anonymously, so we can measure all of it collectively. that's why i'm giving the numbers that i'm giving. i think it's hard to compare those numbers and those allegations against -- they stand for themselves, but they don't -- it's hard to compare them because we don't have another agency to compare them with, like internal affairs, if we were seeing the complaints they were giving side by side, it might give you a better touch point of comparison beyond just what d.p.a. is getting. >> president cohen: okay. all right. i guess that's -- >> i mean, it's hard to compare it -- >> president cohen: i guess i'm not asking for a comparison. well, you know, due to covid, people had less interactions with law enforcement, therefore, we saw a decrease in the cases. or maybe we saw a trend in the summertime with interaction

with police officers. that's a lot more along the lines that i was thinking, not a comparison between, like, other life agencies because we know that this is a premier agency that is leading the pack with oversight, so that doesn't really satisfy my question. the chief will say look, you've got the number of shootings because people are in life are becoming victims, so i just wanted to know what you're seeing, what your lawyers are seeing or your staff, what they're saying; what has transpired in your numbers. if i was a member of the public, i'd want to know, what does it mean on the ground in real-time? >> and this, honestly, i think

this presentation and the information that i've been given, these are the allegations and the interpretation of the raw numbers. this is what the public is saying case-by-case allegation by allegation so you hear all of it. you don't know what the trends are behind the story, but you know what's happening week by week based on the allegations that they're making. and you're seeing not just a one-month presentation but you can see more clearly the differences in officers, for example, failing to take required action. that's the allegation, and you can see on an evening like tonight where we're playing

catch up from having been on a break, the difference from those specific allegations from what was happening in june to what was happening in june to what happened in august. and actually, that's -- it might be a good comparison. i didn't look at them, and i'm doing it live when we're talking, but as that information was filed with the commission and in our papers, you can actually look side by side to hear or to see what the specific allegations are. and certainly, i think some of the answers to your question, which are more the overview of the trend, gets done in the annual report, and we can see the breakdown of where those allegations are coming from. like, it's shifting. this was during the summer in the bayview, but now, all of these allegations are taking place in the mission or chinatown.

here, they're not broken out, but they will be in the annual report. >> president cohen: got it. >> i hesitate to make conclusions -- >> president cohen: but it'll be prepared. perfect. i appreciate that. let's go ahead and take public comment, sergeant reynolds. >> clerk: for members of the public who would like to comment on d.p.a. director's report, please dial star, three. there is no public comment, president cohen. >> president cohen: thank you. no problem. okay. well, let's continue moving forward. >> clerk: line item 4, commission reports, discussion. commission reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. commission discussion will be limited to determining whether to calendar any of the issues raised for a future commission meeting. commission president's report,

commissioners' reports, commission announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration at future commission meetings, action. >> president cohen: thank you very much. i will turn to my fellow commissioners. commissioner elias, we'll start with you. we'll start with leadership first. >> vice president elias: thank you. nothing to report this week. >> president cohen: okay. commissioner yee, what's been going on on the streets? i know you've gone to a couple of meetings. tell us what you're seeing. >> i just came back from the chinatown night out. i just came back, so i had a little longer haul, and the chief was there, as well. many of the community that -- i'm happy to say that they're out, enjoying themselves, and i want to thank our community leaders over there at chinese

chamber, and chinatown night was [inaudible] by our late rose pak and our deputy chief lozar, so it's great to see our community enjoying themselves and out in force, so thank all the elected officials who showed up, as well. the mayor, president wong, supervisor aaron peskin and matt haney, and all the officers who are now making it safe throughout chinatown, and hopefully, we can continue this and grow it throughout the city where we can focus focus all of our resources, as well, so i'm happy to report that all is well. >> president cohen: awesome,

awesome. commissioner byrne, how is the tenderloin doing? byrne. >> i should have something to report in a couple of months, other than the chief and i talked about it this afternoon. i believe there will be an evolution as to what's going on in there, but i should be able to report back in about two months. the other thing i'd like to report, i had the opportunity to go to the 50 anniversary -- i almost want to say the assassination and murder of sergeant young what i know as balboa station, but it's now known as ingleside station. and assistant chief mosier was there, and chief scott and captain jones, and also there, which was very touching was there is a civilian police

worker who was also shot. sergeant young was killed, and she showed up, and i thought it was important that she do that, given the murder of a police officer recently in chicago. i thought it was very good of the san francisco police department to remember one of their own, particularly someone who died tragically in the station in the manner in which he did in 1971. >> president cohen: thank you, commissioner. i appreciate that, and for my report, i just wanted to let people know that i'm still working to bring other elected leaders and policy makers to this commission to share what they're working on that impacts

the work that we're doing on this commissioner. last week, we had senator nancy skinner, so i've just been working on trying to get people to join us on our commission. also had a good touch-base conversation with miss felicia jones, head of the wealth and disparities, and that's all i have to report out. sergeant reynolds, could you please take public comment, and let's call the next item. >> clerk: if you would like to make public comment, please dial star, three at this time. president cohen, there is no public comment. >> president cohen: great. i appreciate that. let's call the next item. >> clerk: line item 5, presentation of the deputy's collection and analysis of

sexual assault kid evidence and reporting of results to sexual assault victims report, per commission resolution 16-28, adopted april 20, 2016, discussion. >> hello. >> president cohen: hello. >> good evening, president cohen, members of the commission, executive director henderson, chief scott, and members of the community. i am acting deputy chief raj baswani, and i will be covering resolution 16-28, which is analysis collecting and saeshl -- and sexual assault kit evidence and reports. i'll be covering january 1 to

june 30, 2020. during this period, i'm not going to go line by line into everything, but during this period, we collected approximately 110 kits that were done internally, and out of those, those were all submitted within five days within the requirement of the time it was collected by the trauma recovery and rape treatment center to the time it went to the crime lab. out of those four were submitted after that five-day period, and those were all outside jurisdiction submissions, which is normal for them to have a delay, so a total of 114 kits were tested. and all of those 114 were within the 120-day requirement. as far as them being collected,

tested, and results given, they were within the 120 days. our turnaround time is 14 days for the sexual assault kits, which is probably one of the lowest in the state. and none of the kits were sent for any kind of outsourcing. we processed all the kits locally. out of those 114, 43 were uploaded, and i'll skip down to item 10 for notification. we notified 91. that's the other part of the resolution. the second part of the resolution is a reporting requirement to the victim, and so we reported 91, and 15

victims did not want to be notified. and eight out agent note if i -- out of agency notifications were made so they could be handled in their policing jurisdiction. and then, i'll go onto page 2, on item 7. so we are currently working on 37 of the cases, and the rest of the 19 -- i'm not going line by line to every item because i did want to leave a little bit of time as to how this fits into our investigative work, so i picked out a really good case that was brought to our attention during this reporting

period. and this was an august 2011 galileo high school student who was approached by a stranger. i won't go into the details because it's a very graphic and horrible crime, but she was the victim of a sexual assault at galileo high school by a stranger. at that time, we developed a d.n.a. profile. it was uploaded, and there's no hit. so what we do in those kinds of cases, we do a john doe warrant, so we did a john doe warrant for that d.n.a. profile. well, april of this year, april 2021, a subject was arrested with a firearm, and a d.n.a. profile was collected. that subject matched the subject that committed the crime back in 2011 at galileo high school, and he was

arrested for the crime. officers for the central district went out, located him, and arrested him. so that's just one example of how these cases fit in and how d.n.a. fits in in a sexual assault situation. and i have nothing else. if you have any questions for lieutenant o'connor or myself, we're here. >> president cohen: any questions? commissioner byrne has a question. please, sir, go ahead. >> when i was looking at the page, indicated that there were

61 inactive cases. so obviously, i don't want to hear about all 61, but what exactly does that 61 mean? >> that 61 means that the d.n.a. subject was uploaded but has not been identified, so kind of like what this example shows us is that 2011 case was inactivated. the profile was uploaded, and now that case is closed, so something to that effect. there are examples of when cases are inactivated. one is the subject is unknown and no d.n.a. was uploaded because there's no corroborating evidence. the other would be the victim becomes uncooperative or does not want further evidence collected, and this is usually relayed to the rape treatment center who then connects that

wish to the investigators, and then, the investigators contact the victim and either provide services or give resources to the victim on if they want to come back and reactivate the case. and on the -- on the other one, is -- is that there is no corroborating evidence or that we cannot prove that the suspect committed the crime. >> and the district attorney of san francisco only charged three people in that period of time and discharged four? >> yes, during this reporting period. >> i guess i'm surprised. number one, it strikes me as a very small number, both of them, but that would be the purview of the district attorney, not the police department.

>> president cohen: thank you. commissioner yee? >> commissioner yee: ah, yes. i have a question on the 61 inactive cases, and they're inactive cases where, i guess, the victim failed to respond back. was there any that spoke a second language, where they felt maybe uncomfortable in something on this who might be cultural or indifferences? i'm just wondering if there were any -- if you could break it down by ethnicity? >> i do not have the breakdown for you, but just personally, i can tell you from working in investigations for eight years, and i'll have lieutenant

o'connor kind of elaborate on this, but all the investigators do have access to language services, and all officers do have access to language services. we have investigators from all walks of life that speak multiple languages, so i will defer this question to lieutenant o'connor, if you want to expand on that. >> yes. so i think it would be important, yeah, 61 cases that have been inactive, and i can state that none of these survivors had any issue with relaying what happened to the investigators. there were occasions whether the officers had to use language services, whether it was phone line language services or an officer that was bilingual. if you'd like, commissioner, i

can breakdown those numbers regarding the ethnicity and the first spoken language of the survivors if you'd like, and i have access to that information, but none of the 61 were closed or inactivated because of issues with language. >> commissioner yee: the reason why i'm just asking is because when you've got sexual assaults, number one, it's very challenging for the victims to speak out on it, too, and for the investigators, it might be even doubly difficult for them, especially if they're limited english speaking proficiency. even if you don't have translators, sometimes they feel the shame that comes along with that, that that happened

to them. i'm just trying to see if we can find out if it's -- inactive cases, for myself and jim byrnes, that's quite a bit. so if you can take it offline, that's fine. >> president cohen: all right. anything else? all right. seeing none, let's move forward. >> i think diana rosenstein had a comment. >> president cohen: okay. all you have to do is raise your hand or put her name on the chat or turn on her screen and wave. >> there you go, diana. >> i was just going to simply point out that our office works diligently to ensure that officers are properly trained

with respect to handling incidents such as the ones that you've been asking about, commissioner yee, with respect to victims that are of limited english proficiency, and we take any complaints that we make with respect to that. >> i'll piggyback on that and invite the new commissioners to come down to the d.p.a., as well. >> president cohen: so i think this concludes that portion of our agenda. >> clerk: public comment,

commissioner? >> president cohen: public comment, yes. >> clerk: if you would like to make public comment, please press star, three at this time. commissioner, you have no public comment. >> president cohen: okay. next item. >> clerk: next item is line item 6, discussion and possible action to approve revised draft department general or the 5.16, warrants, for meeting and conferring with the san francisco police officers association and the s.f. municipal executives association police as required by law. discussion and possible action. >> good evening, president cohen, vice president elias, commissioners, chief scott, director henderson, and members of the community. i'm jim ahern, and i'm joined by sfpd sergeant cara lacey.

we worked on 5.16, search warrants and are here to answer any questions. it was a true collaborative effort between the sfpd and the d.p.a. even with the collaboration of three attorneys, the input was difficult, and i'd like to have you think back to 1997, when this general order was last updated. think about all the advancements in technology and changes in search and seizure law that occurred over the last 24 years. kids weren't walking around on cell phones, social networking sites didn't exist. we still had pagers and pay phones. no one had video cameras on

their houses. people had to develop film if they wanted photos from their family vacation, and the internet was still on dial up. so as we worked to bring this general order out of the stone age, our main focused areas were no knock search warrants, the reporters shield law, california privacy act, the internal and external review process, and internal policies related to this general order. i and cara lacey are prepared to answer any questions that you have on this general order, and thank you. >> president cohen: thank you. i don't see any -- oh, here we go. hold on. commissioner elias, commissioner byrnes, commissioner yee. >> vice president elias: thank

you, president cohen. thank you to all that worked on this d.g.o. there were a few additions or suggestions that i wanted to make to the d.g.o. i reviewed them with the chief, so i don't know if, chief, you want to go over them because i think we're pretty much in agreement with some of the additions or how the best way to approach this would be. >> yeah. commissioner, if you don't mind, i can go over them, and if i miss anything, if you can help me out? >> vice president elias: yeah, sure, great. >> okay. president cohen, is that okay? >> president cohen: absolutely. >> okay. thank you. so as commissioner elias or vice president elias said, we talked this afternoon, and i'll just go over, i think there are a total of four modifications on the language. the first one being on page 4,

and it's under section c, that [inaudible] of a witness-victim or informant including bias. the recommendation is to include language in that bullet point or financial compensation provided by law enforcement or district attorney's office in connection with the search warrant. so in other words, the thought process behind this is there's an informant receiving compensation, a person receiving compensation for information, that that information should be disclosed to the magistrate who this warrant is being presented to.

>> okay. the second modification is on page 5, under section g, and that is [inaudible] shall be documented in the chronological of investigation [inaudible] is the name of the lieutenant who authorized exigency [inaudible] or an incident report. i'm sorry. and on the -- at the end of that, change the or to and, an

incident report, if applicable. the next one is on page 6, under 5.16.05. it's in section b. at the end of that paragraph, two modifications. change the member should to member shall still make a reasonable effort to announce their identity in person. and then, also add officers shall document such necessity to the chronological investigation if applicable. so this addition is just to document the reason for the

deviation from not noticing the chronological in the incident report, which is [inaudible] consistent with the other changes. and that is the issue -- president elias, did i miss it? was that correct? >> vice president elias: just so my fellow commissioners and the public know, the changes that i had suggested and the

chief agreed, and he had some changes, as well, is an effort to really be consistent with what our prior practice has been and what we're going to continue to do, which is kwoempl conforms with our basis, which is consistent with 503 and 501, so that's the reasoning behind these recommendations. >> president cohen: thank you. all right, colleagues. commissioner byrne, i think i saw your hand next. >> yeah. i wasn't aware that

commissioner elias had gone through it; so i'll pass on that. >> president cohen: okay. thank you. commissioner yee? >> commissioner yee: yeah, i'll pass, too. but i had one question, i guess, regarding the search warrant and regarding the amount of time for retraining, how much time will be allotted, if they have any idea, i guess, once we go through this legal brief? just want to make sure that all of our officers are up to date

on it, and there's some substantial changes on it, and it's very overdue. >> thank you, commissioner. i can answer that question. what we've asked for on d.g.o.s being significant, is the amount of time has been changed to 90 days. there's a lot of training coming down, so time to prepare this in the midst of everything else that's coming down, so 90 days after the process of meet-and-confer is what we're asking for from the commission, if we could have the 90-day period to set up the training schedule and have that in order so we bring this in the right way, which our members are

clamoring for training. >> vice president elias: so sorry, chief. one of the other things that i just realized, page 4, where it says or financial compensation, can we add or benefit. sometimes confidential informants aren't given financial benefit, but it's housing or other things that are being provided. i think if we say compensation or benefit, that's it.

we can say or any compensation, just take out financial. >> yeah, any compensation, whether financial or otherwise. >> vice president elias: okay. that's good. >> financial compensation or incentive. >> vice president elias: that's better. i think we have to figure this out so we can vote on it. >> the concern that i have is victims of crime often receive compensation and benefits from the victims compensation board that's done through the district attorney's office and our members would have no knowledge of this, and this puts a burden on them or a responsibility on them to disclose information as it relates to victims and benefits they might receive from the victims compensation board if they're not clear that we're

talking fully about informants. >> vice president elias: well, that's discloseable any ways. >> we wouldn't know about that if we're writing a search warrant. >> vice president elias: well, wouldn't they receive that after the fact, and wouldn't an officer want to know if they're receiving some incentive when he's taking the information that he needs in order to author a search warrant? wouldn't he want to know what kind of person he's interviewing, if they're a victim or informant and if there's any bias or anything that could effect -- [please stand by]

that don't go to credibility o testimony . these are victim assistance programs. so perhaps maybe language that calls out those type of victim assistance programs are expected. i thinkthat's what the spirit

of this was . not for that butfor the other day .information often times leads to search warrants and dispositions on cases. >> let me ask camera, the concerns of yourexpressing , thethought process . does it merely reflect your concern or have you flirted with other attorneys or folks that are also looking at this presentation ? not legislation butddo . >> i heard these additions for the first time also. they don't know if captain ahearn was familiar with homicide where we could see these situations unfold wants to weigh inon it also . i think we all agree that certainly any benefit or

payment of an informant is receiving for providing any information is absolutely exculpatory information that needs to be included in a warrants . i am in complete agreement that information should be included as some of these examples . i just worry about sort of these other, when were talking about victims compensation us not knowing about the information necessarily having an obligation toinclude information we might not know . >> one of the things i thought was important that we have this discussion in public about the ddo, we are a policy keeping body so it's clearly important. i know that commissioner elias spoke to the chief already and i asked her, asked the chief to have that conversation in full

disclosure for the public assumption and i know this is the first time you'rehearing all this . what i'm going to propose is perhaps we people are not comfortable voting on it right now and perhaps with this language we arediscussing , we can sit on it a little bit, anotherweek . fine tune and commissioner elias, i look to you as well for yourleadership on this . we can schedule it for a vote next week. that would allow commissioner hamasaki an opportunity toshare some of his thoughts on the legislation or if people are ready to , we can also put it to a vote but i wanted to you know, have full disclosure and get the conversation going for the record, knows where our options are. how are people feeling? are you guys ready to vote today? >> it i could because i want to

give miss lacey an opportunity to go over this language because we really do want to be right. friday when theschedule came out it's the first time i had looked at it . i know it was a little late to talk to the g soi don't want to jam anybody up . i hate putting things over but i think that again, we want to get the language right and my intention is that i think we're all on the same page with respect to the informants and if there's any benefit they are receiving obviously it be documented in the report. my votewould be to put it to a vote next week if you're okay with that and your staff . >> i think that what stacy brought up i think there needs to be broader language.

everybody agreeswith the intent on this . i don't think the intent was to disclose victims who get what they're entitled to. pacifically for what we talked about commissioner so i would like to move this forward. it seems to me 2 years in the making and i know there's a sense of urgency but 2 years in the making is very thoughtful. i'd really like to movethis forward because we got a lot on our plate and other policies waiting for the commission to approve . >> i'm fine either way >> . >> presidentcohen: how are you guys feeling ? >> what language are we going to useabout these benefits ? because if we're voting that's something we need to know. >> presidentcohen: we are sniffing it out now . they're probablyworking on it right now .

>> i realized miss lacey that what will ease your concern is if you look at paragraph eight it talks about a good faith mistake and the penalty that the affidavit is sign so your concern as to what was known by the office of the time of writing areaddressed in paragraph a . i don't think that language is going to cause any concern . i think it should ease your concern so i think it would be okay to have this language is for any compensationprovided by any law enforcement agency. that would be my suggested language . >> i would respectfully disagree. i think that exception fromthe attorneys should be clearly pointed out . it clearly doesn't go to, it really doesn't go to the bias of thesearch warrant .

any victim can getit . that should beenumerated . that specific, and then i agree with you mister president that the first part should get the other stuff in it. [inaudible] the victims restitution fund obviously should beexcluded . i don't see any point in ... in other wordsi agree with miss lacey . >> president cohen: okay. i want to interject also for the consideration and that is allowing the assistant chief to sign off on the ddo as opposed to ... instead of a commander

and anevent she . it would be good to change the approvalto assistant chief of operations as opposed to a commander and adeputy chief . i don't think that's controversial . >> on page 6, first paragraph . >>president cohen: that's right. does that seem unreasonable ? >> that's good because no knock warrants are something ... >> president cohen: it deserve a certain level of attention . chief, how do youfeel ? >> that's a good move. >> president cohen: okay. >> so on the other, if we can go back to page 4.

how do you all feel about language such as information that the informant is receiving any benefits that includes consideration oncases or money or any benefits or information ? hello? what happened tocindy ? >> i think we lost her. >> your back. >> say it again? okay. we've also got a weak signal. chief, could you repeat?

okay. >> so that sentence would be the suggestion is information that an informant is receiving any benefit including consideration incases, money or any benefits for information . >> what i think that my suggestion is that it just says information that an informant received any benefit or information including consideration on a case or financial benefit. because i think we want to encompass that sometimes informants might receive consideration and sometimes they might receive money so we want to be clear that we're talking about both of those situations. >> i thinkcynthia is frozen there but that's a good point . >> as commissioner elias said,

let's go ahead and look atdiana rothstein . i think she's got something to contribute . >> i wanted to point out that section is actually a list of examplesof exculpatoryevidence . it is not definitive . it is not close, it's just examples. i don't think there should be any concerns because it just gives you examples of situations where officers should be mindful of the type of information they put into a search warrant affidavit that a judge is going to need and use in order to assess credibility. the list is notadoptive . there's 1 million situations that occur in everyday life that may end up in a search warrant, that should end up in a search warrant and nobody's at fault. so i think that youguys are , it's an important conversation

to have be mindful of the fact that that list is just examples of situations that should be considered and it's not exhaustive. >> president cohen: okay. any feedback or comments? >> i agree. >> president cohen:okay, i agreed to .the mission or lis . >> i agree. >> sorry, i had to log back in, inoticed that . >> president cohen: if we lose you we lose for a period any further thoughts? i want to move this along. >> can you review the language and diane has made a point this

is not an exhaustive listof examples . but i know that's a point that wediscussed or discussed as important . you and other commissioners so carol, could you suggest language at that point and i'm comfortablewith if the commission is i'm definitely comfortable with it . >> thank you chief.my suggested language is a new bullet point that says information that an informant received any benefits for information including consideration on a case or a financial benefit because those are the 2 main areas where people receive assistance. >> what abouthousing ? >> i guess i didn'thear the last part, could you be the last part ? >> we could say information and

informant received a benefit forinformation including but not limited to consideration on a case for financial benefit . i would through training ensure that our members are well aware housing is a financial benefit. >> for some leniency towards their set sentence. >> that would be consideration on a case. >> that works. >> presidentcohen: looks like we're getting there. we're getting some agreement . ahern, lacey, are you getting allthese notes ? do we need to give you 10 minutes to get everything finalized we can take a break here ?>> it's up to you presidents: >> president cohen: i am here to serve. >> you have information correct

from my previous email regardingthese changes . i think president cohen is asking if we can make the changes and submit it so they can see the finished product. >> president cohen: that's exactly right. >> i thought there was a mystical theory out there making all these changes but it's not, it's just us. i mean, you. >> i might need to work with the commission office because i'm not sure that i have an electronic version of the document that weare submitting . >> president cohen: no problem. we're going to take a 10 minute recess. allowing you to connect with the commission office and we will check back in and see how the progress is going. everyone, 10 minutes so we'll see you at 7:30. goodbye.♪

♪ >> as it relates to the ♪ ♪ informant and exculpatory information and now says it information and informant receives any benefit, consideration or compensation . >> thank you . >> president: if i could ask miss lacey to just readoff the changes . carol, do youhappen to . >> do you still have them? it might be easier for you, just because my version has the full redline version so it's hard for me to see exactly where. >> okay. >> do you want me to do it or

doyou have ? >> you can do it. i don't think you sent to me and i want to read some of the documents commissioner elias if you could do it. >> i thinksergeant youngblood is sending it to you . >> i have, i'm looking at the redline version that was just emailed . it shows the change in section 5.160.3, subsection b. oh .2, reads information and informant received any benefit, consideration or compensation. that's change one. change 2 is section g. subsection 1. it's the last sentence. now reads the name of the lieutenant who authorized direct submission and reason for the exigency shall be documented in a chronological

investigation and an incident report if applicable. the next section and i apologize, i don't have page numbers because there's no electronic form . 5.1604, subsectiona . the second to the last paragraph of that section, the last sentence of the second paragraph to the last section will now be additionally an assistant chief approval is required prior to the service of theauthorized no knock warrant . the next change i have is section 5.1 6.05, subsection b. shall read the last session shall be members shall make reasonable efforts to announce their identity inperson . members shall document such a

necessity in the chronological investigation if an incident report is applicable. the next change is in section e 2. the first sentence shall read members shall provide a copy of a search warrant excluding the affidavit 2 that lists the three. in that same section the last sentence of that section shall be changed to reflect the following. if a search warrant is not provided the reasons for withholding shall be documented inthe chronological investigation and incident report if applicable . and i think that was it. that's all thechanges that i see. does that work ?>> yes ma'am. >> i'm glad we were able to read the changes intothe record

prior to the vote . i don'twant to delay this anymore . do we all concurwith the changes ? >> president cohen: okay. let's takepublic comment on this item and we will take a vote . thank you the attorneys who worked hard quickly to make this happen. >> clerk: if you'd like to make public comment at this time, please dial star 6 and madam president, note for the record i do not see commissioner hamasaki online but we still do stillhave his phone . >> president cohen: thank you. >> clerk: we have a caller for public comment. you have 2 minutes. >> caller: thank you police commissioners . i'm calling to ask that policy for search warrants not be

decided in such a rush where literally no one final version that can be taken to a vote and be negotiated with sfpoa. they've chosen to not behave honorably in regards to warrants and they have some specific desires to close on population so as we're looking to be a fair-minded city and it's concerning, one of our primary rights, i think there is time to take a moment and consider outside commentary and that at least get a version together that everyone understands and can see and is hopefully in my mind public and available for a more robust public comment than this short commentary. i think that the search warrant policy is very important to our

city and i would hope to see such collars and commenters as the aclu or the local protection and rights groups on this call and part of this conversation and that's clearly not the case . so while i see every one of these commissioners, then they don't know what the changes in policy are, i'm certain the aclu doesn't understand what changes you'remaking to our city . i'm asking you to reach a more robust public comment and slow walk what is in my opinion probably adestructive event to limit our rights . >> clerk: thank youcaller . that evening caller. you have 2minutes . >> caller: chief scott, executive director henderson, thank you to brian cox and i'd

like to call out despite the rhetoric about militarization as fpd seeks to engage in military like tactics. this authorizes sfpd to execute no knockwarrants . these warrants are dangerous and disproportionatelytarget black and brown people . as the most recent victim was murdered by cops lightly firing into her apartment. many jurisdictions have banned and republicans as you propose legislation to do the same . no knock relics of the war on drugs i appreciate the vga authorizes them for the preservation of evidence but sfpd must seek other means to collect evidence that by scaring innocent people and creating dangerous conditions . it's clear they will dothis on their own .the commission should exercise its power.

i'm calling on the commissioner to vote no on this dgo and provide additional time to consider this sothe public has a greater opportunity to review the changes proposed here tonight . >> clerk: thank you caller. good evening caller, you have 2 minutes. >> caller: thank you. good evening everyone, my name is danielle harris i'm managing attorney for the integrity of san francisco publicdefender's office and i appreciate all the hard work i know must have gone into drafting this new proposed order . but i have various concerns. i am concerned as someone who has litigated many, many search warrants over my 22 years as a public defender, i have serious concerns about the legal actress accuracy of parts of this order.

i understand and sympathize this consideration has been underway for 2 years but we have had it for less than three full business days and are asking for additional time to evaluate it. it is dense and an additional week or two is not a lot to ask. i also have concerns as did th previous caller about the procedure being followed here tonight . i'm not certain can be considered fair notice to the public where changes are made during this very meeting on which the vote is taken. i would urge the procedure that president cohen andvice president lis suggested , that this be delayed for at least one week so that all concerned parties can have a chanceto substantivelyweigh in . thank you . >> clerk: thank youcaller .

president cohen,that includes public comment . >> president cohen: all right. okay, so i'm prepared to vote today. this has been atwo-year process . i am not feeling the request to delay for one more week but if other commissioners want to delay, i will support that and we can let the members of the public comb through the dgo. i'm open to it however i think the process has been thorough . it'sbeen 2 years . there's been a lot of odds on this and i will also see you, commissioner elias. i think you've been the one

working on this for the longest amount of time. i've only been working on this last year . also for the record the dgo has been posted since august 5. so the general public has had more than a month to review. and the changes that we made today in my opinion arevery slight . not substantive in changing the nature of it but those are my thoughts and opinions. i wanted to seewhat the overall commission thinks .i think for the record we just posted the new changes to the changes our lives in addition to commissionerelias reading them into the record . any thoughts? if not i will call the vote. >> i agree with you in almost all you say but it's been

plenty of times but we have to give the appearance as well as substantial. i can understand audience members calling and it appears rushed. i don't like to dispute the chief but i think that for the appearance be done correctly. it's not just the substance. it's also in the hearing tonight, some people cansubmit questions . >> president cohen: any other comments? no? commissioner, can you take a motion to continue this item in one weeks time and mark. >> clerk: so they. >> president cohen: is there a second ? second and by commissionerelias

. p please be prepared to vote o it next week next item . >> clerk: president cohen, we need to vote on the motion. >> president cohen: you're right. sorry, i was thinking ... okay. emotion has been made and seconded. >> clerk: on motion to continue the matter on search warrants, commissioner byrne. [roll call vote] president cohen, you have 4 yeses. >> president cohen: thank you to the chief as well and also

to thecommissioners thatworked on this . we will pick this item back up quickly next week sergeant , what's next on the agenda ? >> clerk: line item 7, adjournment. >> president cohen: can we take public comment onadjournment ? >> clerk: know we do not. >>president cohen: iknow, it's a joke .we are adjourned . thank you verymuch. see you next week .

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