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>> thank you. i like to call the october 4, 2021 redistricting task force meeting to order . and the time is 6:08 as our starttime tonight .

as it constrains us we will get startedwith the agenda item number one . item 2, approval of the minutes, yes. >> mister chair, before we get started for broadcast to make sure everyone is able to reach us i should go over brief announcementsto let people know how to connect to our meeting and access the feed . the minutes will reflect the task force members participating in this remote meeting through videoconference to the same extent they wer physically present in a meeting space, presumably city hall at this point . the task force recognizes public access is essential and invites public participation in the following ways . public comments will be available on many items on

today's agenda each speaker will be provided three minutes to speak your opportunity to speak is available by phone by dialing 415-655-0001 . the meeting id for today's meeting is 2485 328 8823 after you've entered the meeting id , dial the pound symbol twice to conduct to the meeting. whenyou enter you will hear discussions but your line will be muted and in listening mode only . when your item of interest comes up front dial star 3 to be added to the speaker line. best practices are to call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly and turn down your television, radio, streaming device or whatever you may be using. alternativelyyou may submit public comments in either of the following ways . i am the redistricting task force clerk and you can reach me at rdtf@taskforce.gov.you

can reach the redistricting task force care of the office of the clerk of the board to the hall one doctor carlton b goodlett place room 244 san francisco california 94102 and mister chair before we get started with one more thing we have a request today for interpretive services to be on the line and through our partnership with the office of civic engagement and immigrant affairs we have a number of interpreters year to assist us. one is agnes lee who will be providing interpretive assistance for public commenters who may have comments in chinese . connie is available for speakers of spanish and raymond boris is here for speakers of filipino. agneslee , could you please provide inchinese instructions for accessing today's

proceedings by phone ? >>. [speaking chinese] >> thank you agnes. tonya, are you able to do the same for us forspanish-speaking members of the public ? >>. [speaking spanish]

>>. >> clerk: raymond, are you there to provide assistance for speakers in filipino? >> good evening. [speaking filipino]

>> thank you raymond and miste chair, that concludes our announcement at the beginning of the meeting . back to you. >> chair: let's proceed with theagenda . for october four, 2021.

i should ask i believe at this point if any of the members have any issues with the agend . or anything theymight want to be pulled from the agenda ? seeing no one, there he is. >> there is no one in the role. >> thank you for letting me know. so if i could have a motion to approve the agenda . >> clerk: it's not necessary for us tohave a motion to approve the agenda . we can move forward. we can call rule to make sure that recorded is everyone who is here. >> chair: okay. >> clerk: agenda item 1 is rollcall. when you hearname indicate that you are present . [rollcall]

>>. [rollcall] >> clerk: mister chair, all members are present. >> chair: then we can proceed to item 2. >> clerk: agenda item number two is approval of minutes from the september 17, 2021 inauguralmeeting . this is a discussion and action

item and we will be taking public comments. members who wish public comment on the minutes shouldcall the call in number. 415-655-0001 . enter the meeting id of 2485 328 8823. press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting and press star 3 to speak. wait until the system indicates you have raised your hand and that you have been under muted and that willbegin your opportunity to provide your comments . >> chair: i don'tsee any members who have comment on the minutes . if there are none, we can proceed to public comment or should we? >> clerk: i'm seeing member lee has entered his name into the roster.

>> chair: i looked a minuteago. i guess it was raised after i looked . member lee. >> thank youchair townsend. i would like to moveunanimous consent to make the following amendments to the minutes . or item number one , that member guilt be corrected to memberhernandez gil and for item number five , the spelling of carol ito a public comment or be corrected to caryl. >> chair: is therea second ? >> chair: moved andproperly seconded .mister carol, should we have perfect public

comment? >> clerk: we shouldalways before these amendments would be in order . i see that member hernandez gil has his name. >> chair: i do see somebody. mister hernandez gil. >> my name was brought up, if we could add the accent on the a of hernandez, that would be appreciate . if we're going to be connectin . >> clerk: i have to get in here physically and makethese changes so just one moment . okay, i will add that throughout. >> chair: perfect, are we awaiting apublic comment on

this item ? >> we are working today with joe atkins from the operations division of the office ofthe clerk of the board of supervisors ringing us our public comments callers . please press star 3 and for those already on hold please continue to wait until you have been under muted and that will begin your opportunity to provide yourcomments to the redistricting task force . mister atkins, do we have any colors on the line ? >> there is one caller in the queue. >> chair: yes. >> clerk: caller, please go ahead. >> caller: can youhear me okay? >> clerk: please begin . >> caller: evening task force members. i too was going to point out

caryl which appears twice on page 2. i did not catch member hernandez gil on page 1, i apologize for that and i noted there was an odd page break between page 4 page 5. in the future if i notice something on the draft minutes i'll try tocommunicate that to the clerk in advance of the meetings . thanks very much. >> chair: thankyou. >> clerk: thank you, are there any further callers ? >> there are no further callers in the queue. >> clerk: thank you very much. >> chair: .good. i believe we have a motion. >> clerk: mister chair, a small amount of housekeeping. if you could close public comment on the minutes. >> chair: i'll get used to it. seeing no onefurther , public comment is now closed and we can move forward with the

motion on the floor and i believe it was properly seconded. >> clerk: i'm seeing member cooper has his name in the roster. >> it was my understanding that the motion earlier, i don't know if we had a motion to accept the minutes from the last meeting with the edits raised by members lee and hernandez gil and mister philpell. >> chair: we were trying to get theamendments first . which i believe is the proper order. to vote on the amendments and then we will vote on the approval of the agenda as amended. am i correct? >> clerk: that sounds like a

fine way to pursue. >> chair: to get back to the amendments that were offered , do ihave , i have a second i believe 's. >> clerk: there was a motion seconded by chair reiner. >> chair: did you call the role? >> clerk: as longas we're going public meeting we should call the role . [roll call vote] mister chair,

there is no opposition. >> chair: you. i believe we can call the next item . >> clerk: we can call the next itemexcuse me, that was my courtney . >> point of order mister chair. >> clerk: do wehave moved to adopt the minutes ? [inaudible]

>> chair: is there a second? >> member appears, i second. >> chair: thank you. properly moved and seconded, are you ready to call the question. >> clerk: on themotion that the minutes be approved as amended member jeremy lee . [roll call vote]

>> clerk: there is no opposition once again. >> chair: and its approved and we are moving on to item number three i believe. >> clerk: agenda item 3 is resolution to allow teleconferencemeetings under california go to section 54953(e) . this is a discussion and action item and we will be taking public comments on this resolution members of the public should call the public comment call in number which is415-655-0001 . enter the meeting id of 2485 328 8823 . press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting and star 3 to speak. the system prompt line will indicate you have been permitted to speak and you may then begin your comments. mister chair. >> chair: are there any member hands? i'm looking and i don't see on

at this point . >> chair: mister lee. >> i have a few questions i want to ask the attorney's office. is this like a standard resolution that has been adopted by other commissions and committees already?>> should i write my name in there? >> clerk: please. >> this is a standard resolution. if there were any meeting bodies that met prior to today beginning october 1 of today , it would have had to have adopted 8361 and this is the standard resolution proposed to

all meeting bodies thatare going to be meeting remotely . >> i have another question about in the first result that for at least the next three days we think the task force will continue to occur exclusivelyby teleconferencing technology . so does that mean we are locking ourselves into virtual only forthe next 30 days if i'm reading this correctly ? >> yes, pursuant to the mayor's emergency declaration, all meeting bodies will be set for the board of supervisors and all meeting bodies and personnel matters here are exempted from meeting in person until november 1.

which are at any point until the mayor and in person prohibition. >> that takes a lot of my mind, thank you very much. >> chair: i don't see it indicated but isthere anybody else ? that has issues or requests? is everyone clear or do we nee more from the city attorney's office on this issue seeing no one , mister caryl, public comment. >> clerk: we continue to work with joe atkinsbringing us callers . for those who have already connected please use star 3 to be added to the queue tospeak . for those already on hold please continue to wait until you are prompted to begin.

you will have prompts to inform you your line has been under muted. before we take public comment if i can ask miss lee to repeat the public comment call in instructions in chinese followed by connie tsai in spanish and then raymond morris is filipino. >> chair: ibelieve christine has joined us . >> caller: i'm ready. >>. [speaking filipino]

>> thank you. >>. [speaking spanish]

>> clerk: speakup, we can barely hear you . i think that may be better. [speaking spanish] [speaking

spanish] >> clerk: thank you mister boris and we are joined by christine korell or to provide interpretation services in summerlin. could you provide instruction for callers whowish to provide public comment on item 3 ? i see that she is connected. but it appears to be an unattendedline . mister atkins, do we have any callersonline ? >> there is onecolor in the

queue.>> clerk: please connect us . >> caller: can you hear me again? >> clerk: yes. >> caller: david philpell. there were two minor glitches on the third page of the resolution and the first further result redistricting task force has an extra period after task force and in the finer final further result looks like there was a typo in the city attorney's template . the last line i believe could read the clerk is directed to place a resolution on the agenda and it reads place a section resolution. iwould suggest those minor edits . >> chair: thank you. >> clerk: mister atkins, any furthercallers in the queue ? >> there are nofurther callers

in the queue . >> chair: wonderful. and do we need to have a motion to accept this item 3? >> clerk: let's first close public comment. >> chair: public comment is now closed on itemnumber three . are there any memberswho have further comments ? >> i'm not seeingany further members . >> do we need to have a motion toapprove this item ?>> clerk: yes. >> chair: so moved and actually before that i think dcf has additionalcomments to share with the task force .

>> i just want to repeat that the public comment is a suggestion so you want to approve the resolution as is, i'll delete that as well especially sincethey were mostly minor . so if you'd like to approve the resolution it would be fine. >> if that's okay with everyon . >> clerk: icmember appears as his name and the roster . >> chair: member appears. >> i'd like to make a motion to approve the amendment as it is.

>> clerk: toapprove the motion of an amendment that comes from the public ? >> i'dlike to approve the resolution as it stands . >> chair: is there a second. >> second by member jeremy lee. >> chair: properly moved and seconded for the question . >> clerk: on the motion by member jeremy lee that the motion be approved, member jeremy lee. [roll call vote]

>> clerk: thereis no opposition. >> chair: very good , the motion is approved. the resolution isapproved rather and we can move to item 4 . >> clerk: agenda item for his discussion of regular meeting date times and locations including discussion of possibilities for off-site meetings .this is a discussion and possible action item . we will be taking publiccomment following these remarks. members who wish to provide public comment on this item should call the public comment call in number which is 415-655-0001 . after the meeting id of 2485 328 8823 , press the pound symbol twice andpressed star 3 to enter the queue to speak . a system prompt willindicate you have raised her hand . wait until the system indicates

you have been undermuted and you may begin your comments . prior to public comment we will ask our interpreter to also provide instructions in language. so we will do that when we get to public commentsmister chair . >> chair: are there any comments from members? not seeing any right now. i do want to say just very briefly that we have a month and i wouldn't mind if we put this on the agenda for next month. and maybe we will just wait until we get to that item because i think people may want to come in but we need to get some proposals on how i think how we think we want to do off-site. i think they are essential.i would prefer having those in person so i'm willing to wait

to see what november brings in light of that. if not, then we could have virtual meetings that we would have a virtual meeting and we could designate that meeting of a certain date to discuss district 1 or district 5 or however we want to do it i think that's trying to involve as much of the citizenry as we can in this process is one of the most serious responsibilities i think that we have. so if it's all right with the members , i would like us to go up to discussthis more in depth . if people want to look at it over the next month and comein with ideas or proposals on how these meetingscould happen , understanding the time we have , we should be prepared to have at least 11 if not more. so one for each district where we could make access easier if

that's possible.so that's my comment on it and i'm willing to listen. i see somebody. >> clerk: member huber has his name in the roster. >> thank you, i heard a question for chair video. one thing i didn't really touch on here are what it would look like to have a remote meeting that is not on sfgov tv and what thatprocess would entail . how that would lookand how it would be different for the public . >> member cooper, i am the clerk of the board. we do have a presentation for the committee which i think dovetails very nicely with chair reverend townsend's request to have you consider

this item at the next meeting or at a later time we'd like to provide our presentation so we can put out theconsiderations that we think you might be interested in and answer member cooper's questions . >> chair: miss caryl, could we move to that and consider both ofthese afterwards or should we deal with item 4 first ? >> i believe the clerk of the board is prepared to provide presentations life for members of the task force as well as the public watching on sfgov tv right now. >> with your permission mister chair. >>. >> chair: absolutely, would you proceed. >> i'm here today with wilson

ng who is the operations deputy for the department providing the bulk of this presentation. after september 17 meeting we agreed to return this evening with considerations that may assist you in contemplating the timing for hosted redistricting task force in the community and if you do decide to host the public in person, and if a remote system , if we're able to use the remote system which will be dependent as you'll soon find out on the locations that we choose. during this covid-19 health emergency. the presentation is about 13 slides and we are happy to take questions at the end so i will ask mister and to begin the presentation and once he arrivesat slide 12 i will finish the presentation .

>> hello members, director ang for the office of the board. before we dive into our presentation provided in the slides are some decision points we'd like to bring to your consideration. of whether proceedings may proceed in person or remote. we ask you keep in mind as we make our presentation is that you asked task force members ought to convene person. just to see if we can go to th next slide . again, the first point is whether you asked task force members ought to convene remotely or in person and the second point is whether public comment and participation is to be conducted remotely or in person. while also considering affordable access, confirming those who can participate remotely but not in person and memberswho can participate in

person but not remotely . as a matter of opinion the public feedback has been overwhelmingly positive. if task force members convene with a no public comment option either telephonically or of my other remote means must be provided to the public with issuing advice regarding the policy during the covid-19 emergency.if task force members convene in person either in person or remote public comments may be provided but as a disclaimer on our end a hybrid of both in person and remote public comment may pose him technical and logistical challenges and we will need to conduct additional discovery with our it and operationaland take a look at our resources . since this may be also dependent on specific facilities capacity to accommodate.

just for reference, the board of supervisors has held fully remote meetings from march 2020 through may 2021 and is held in person meetings without members of the public on site since june 2021 in city hall city center. the civic center at city hall in compliance with local and state health orders while others have either not met or offered to hold fullyremotely meetings this is subject to change but would like to provide that as a point of reference . lastly as for the previous items, per the previous items presented by the city attorney's office for the recentlyenacted california district 1 and city attorney's memo issued october 28 of september , beginning october 1 policy bodies must regularly adopt to continue to hold

remote meetings as you currently know.we will be addressing thismore comprehensively and later slides keep this in mind the presenter needs logistics to initiate in person meetings . on the next slide. operationally at a high level the minimum required are the contingencies necessary to operate meetings remotely and in person respectively . as you know we are currently conducting our hearing with public participation remotely so our focus in today's presentation will to be the layout the level of effort for the task force consideration should you move in the direction of in person. the main island environment for in person meetings are resources and plan for health order of compliance and more importantly the possibility for occasional enforcement. location and accessibility facilities and more importantly the availability of the facilities andconsideration of the state of emergency whether they are available for reservation

the on-site resources , staffing and infrastructure requirements toconduct in person meetings and confirming funding and cost for rentals, reading and etc. . let's go to the next slide. contingent on the aforementioned requirements identified in budget cost location, resources etc. our office will need to assess all information, the feasibility of the facility, meeting logistics, technology, needs of the public to ensure its equally say an equitable participatory process. you can go to thenext slide . next slide please. can we go to the next slide? >> i advanced.

>> i can continue. in consideration of the facilities, in consideration of identified facilities for in person meetings, presented in the previous slide, not this slide but the previous slide are the considerations we need, namely number of locations, geographic locations and architecture amenities provide by each facility . architecturalconsiderations include the size, capacity and number of rooms for breakout, equipmentstorage and of it available ada restrooms . we will needcustodians for cleaning and support . parking and transit accessibility ,loading zones for staff , air ventilation and windows. aside from temperature control ventilation is a safety measure

as recommended by the health officer so that's nice to have as well. ada accessibility, ramps, accessible fixed routes such as tables, water fountains, parking and also fire code compliance to ensure they have an emergency plan and available signage. on the next slide are the list of locations we have used. in past task force meetings. our office has submitted approvals to the community partners that will work with you to confirm whether those sites are still available for resolution during the emergency. we are pending their availability and wehave not yet heard back . we have heard, we haven't heard back from everybody but we did hear back from lunch at confirming they are not taking

reservations but we are hopeful with rec and parks and hopefully with the remaining community partners as well locations will be dependent on confirming specific meeting dates and justice specific accommodations we need at those locations. if the locations are not available for reservation we will take all questions from the task force as far as viable sites to expand 11 districts to accommodate but we are open to yourrecommendations . at this time we don't know what infrastructure is available at the prospective locations and are uncertain whether remote meetings will be feasible at any location and were not willing to commit to that just yet because there's a lot of questions from our it staff that depend heavily on the specific location and may vary from location tolocation . and as you may know remote meetings have not been

conducted in past redistricting task force meetings and remote meetings have been a recent development and accommodation in response to the covid-19 emergency.low participation will be dependent on infrastructure and facility accommodation and the available technology personnel as well to set up, support, moderate equipmentand potentially fatal cast . or stream. we have been informed technology personnel are experiencing staffing shortages and are stretched thin to their maximum potential so additional resources pacifically technology staffing will need to be considered. that is something we are in discussion with our department internally about. in terms of on-site non-technical staff in our office has been in

correspondence with dem and department of elections and have identified additional supportstaff for conducting meetings. that is something , these are ongoing discussions and are in the works. next slide please. logistical considerations. logistical considerations when assessing available facilities include but are not limited to tables and chairs for task force members, press, ada and the generalpublic . ideally that would be provided by the facility if not that is something that we would resource hours of operation must be available during the scheduled hearing hours ofthe task force. proximity to food and water for members of the public and yourself . availability of dpe and having cleaning protocolsin place at the location . our office has ppe provisions for staff and task force

members and upon request for members of the public we need to prevent enforcement action potentially. but as a general disclaimer if we have a large number of peoplecome in on mast , we don't have such as ppe and resourcing for allmembers of thepublic . only upon request . so members of the public are expected to provide their own ppe and applicable signage will need to be available on-site as well to inform members of the public . another requirementis network connectivity, wi-fi and ethernet . we have to have a reliable connection to ethernet per my survey to it staff and infrastructure needs to be vetted and tested by staff. we will also need access to copiers for administrative

functions, proper signage whether it be health and safety , signagewith instruction on the public ,emergency exit , emergency signage and so forth. we will need to consider security and also need to look into how we would potentially enforce health orders and the rules of order during proceedings . and they would need to ensure the public has discovered as access . all the provisions based on facility as well and we don't want members of public going into restricted areas. if there are any restricted areas and then public comment administration which we will address on the way to this slide . we can move on to the next slide. technological considerations forthe meetings are presented in slides for you . computers and laptops for

members, staff and departments, network connectivity as i mentioned before but with an emphasis on them being reliable and having significant bandwidth to accommodate the meeting . a reliable hard-line ethernet connection is a must if any remote element is to be expected. that is going to be one of our criteria that goes hand-in-hand with the vetting offacilities which isthe first item . electrical outlets, significant electrical outlets and power strips . we need to ensure outlets without overloading the circuits of that facility so preferably a more recent location with a building would be preferable to an older but that's certainly something we can work around. activity for the clerks, sound systems, video capabilities for displays. and then we also have to consider how usable it is for media services.

we have a media services edict but that is for their responsible for city hall only so ideally we would need to address the meeting needs on-site as well. also we have to take a look at sfgov tv usability if there's a remote element which if sfgov tv is expected to be on site or the coverage of in person meetings, that's currently tentative and i think we will need to engage in further discussionswith department of technology . but media services and sfgov tv are going to be need to be surveyed respectively to confirm the usability and we will defer to them as our subject matter experts in those regards. but it will be very heavily

site-specific based on the infrastructure that's available. there is also the general policy consideration of which if any task force meetings will be cable cast and live streamed. these we included these considerations for the purpose of our presentation and will address sfgov tv availability on the way to the slide but at this time we are an ongoing discussions with their divisions as well for usabilit . since usability is location and time dependent. if we can go to the next slide. staffing needs. our office anticipates uploads of 30+ staffing members needed to support our participants to conduct in person meetings on site. just include members and elected officials of that particular district potentiall

. cop staff, it which consists o it staff, legislative staff and operational. department of elections staff . interpreters and in minimum of three languages and american sign language upon request and if interpreters are not available outside interpreters willneed to be available at additional cost . media support staff, media services staff dependent on whether the meetings are remote or in person whichagain subject to discussion . we will need a building manager on site, building engineer to manage the temperature of the room , to troubleshoot any potential issues and custodians on-site.we may potentially need sheriff and other sf pd staff for enforcement and general crowd control.

just general staffing expectations, in the actual actual availability of staff is dependent on priorities and consideration of any staff impacted by the state of emergency . at this time we been informed when it comes to in person meetings offsite there may be somestaffing and resource limitations with media services , sfgov tv, sheriff and sf pd staff. they will need to coordinate further and discuss with their respective department heads . additionally we're in coordination with oci a, office of civic engagement for interpretation and we currently are working with them on an mo youto provide staffing as available in four languages of chinese, spanish and filipino . next slide. so the health and safety of our public is of the utmost

priority as well as equitable access to all public proceedings presented for you now a considerationto members of the public to attend in person meetings . this includes but is not limited to handouts, signage, custodial services, interpretation devices as needed. ada accommodation and distancing accommodations as needed. regarding the last bullet poin , remote versus in person publiccomment , constituents, sorry. consistent and in accordance with the latest attorney's advice regarding the use of policiesduring the emergency , when policy bodies old remote meetings we must ensure the public is able to listen and offer public comment telephonically toelectronic meetings as i mentioned earlier in one of the earlier slides . will defer to the city attorney's office in

affirmative but we believe remote participation may not require these meetings where members of thepublic participate in person . that may change but i will defer to the city attorney's office . i will clock an agenda, a hybrid of both in person and remote public comments increasing the potential for technical difficulties . also we make every effort to minimize that. for there may be potential barriers based on the mere infrastructure at the facility so we work with whatwe have . but our office and staff would like to ensure that this is communicated that it's an insurance inherent with that comes with the territory of holding an off-site meeting. while we make every effort to ensure public equitable public participation and access, there are elements that are naturally outside of our control capability in the new facility for in this case multiple

facilities. that adopts both in person and telephonic participation, this has not yet been tested and not used in past redistricting task force meetings. and the next slide, on i suppose the next steps. per california city attorney's advice memo beginning october, policy bodies most regularly about remote meetings. under normal circumstances it imposes special requirements for remote meetings including requirements to provide special notice of the public and allow members of the public to attend each teleconferencelocation and observed each policy body member at the location calling into the meeting . ada 361 suspends these requirements forthe governor's proclamation of the state emergency provided to the

policy body . let's see. and so there are next steps would be to confirm whether suspension is done after the applicable task force will continue to be applicable . which will determine whether remote meetings continue . will also need to confirm whether the task force intends to conduct public comment in person or remotely based on what is the provisions and acted and inconsideration of a logistical consideration that we presented here before you today on the next slide , will address handling which will be presented by our madam clerk . >> you can breathe now. all right. iapologize members , my number wasn't on before but i keep keep my staff attaching that. i like to switch the meeting dates and times and the cable casting or streaming on this slide slide 12sfgov tv has provided the following dates . they confirm they have

availability to cable cast and live stream for a remote meeting only. you can see there there's the firstand third mondays and the first and fourth writings an approximatetotal of-21 days . other dates may be available . however our staff would need to confer further with sfgovtv and media services . if you have specific dates you would like to either meet remotely and eventually when we go into the public meeting in public. please note that sfgov tv's current availability for remote public comment support is limited. to correctly just remote. we have also been advised by sfgov tv in person meetings may not have the ability to the cable cast and live stream as mister and mentioned but our office will engage in further discussions and discovery with sfgov tv. and with other questions that you might have read mister and

is with us but we're still available to answer any questions thatyou might have . i believe that concludes our presentation and thank you for the opportunity to present this today.>> mister chair,i'm seeing member appears in the line . are you there? you may be havingsome technical issues. member pierce are you able to ? >> on your somehow. member pierce. >> quick question. thank you for the presentation. i was wondering what if we and community sites and facilities

in the various districts that are already webex capable. should we makethose suggestions to you now. or should we wait until we actually have a vote on this . >> you are muted madam clerk. i'm sorry. >> sorry about that. i think we're happy to take your recommendations now. just to tossthem out so we can do some due diligence , and then by the timethe task force is ready to take up the matter , we will already have some work done under our belt that we can bring you that could inform the discussion. >> i'll startcompiling the list . >> chair: i highly recommend any other members that can be helpful indistricts where they live we appreciate it . any other members .>> member jeremylee has this name and the roster . >>. >> chair: mister lee. >> several questions so my

first is to the clerk's office. i heard you mentioned that sometimes like we hold in district meetings it might not be possible to broadcast them liveon sfgov tv but is there still the capability for them to be recorded ? >> mister ang. >> there is the capability of being recorded. i can advise myit staff that we can record audio . deal capability for recording i think that is to be determined unless our it staff can opine. john, would you be able to opine on the video recording capabilities? or will we need todo additional discovery ? >> i got confirmation we would

be able to record the webex meeting like we didfor our inaugural meeting . >> chair: very good. >> in terms of the off-site or in person meeting, is there a possibility forthat to have video with it ? >> i would have to double check with sfgov tv that we are trying to report for inperson meetings we would need to double check on what video equipment is available . >> may i add for the chair to member lee? i am under the impression at this point that sfgov tv does not have ... i don't know if the word is capacity at this point to go into the community as the board schedule or committeeschedule , the charter commission meetings are all taking up their resources at

thispoint . as mister ang mentionedearlier, there are staffing considerations for his team as well . we will work further with sfgov tv and determine if in fact that's still true. >> chair: thank you. did you have anything else mister lee? >> i have several more questions. my next question for mister ang on slidesix . you listed out just past locations. my understanding from the presentation is that it's a work inprogress and you're still collecting sites . i just want to ask that from the clerk's office, when we receive the full list can we also see the sites that were rejected and why? just so we're not pursuing things that youguys have ruled out for whatever reason ?

>> absolutely and we will be glad toshare that . >> next, i have noticed that the requirements especially during covid are quite high. so can we also get assurances from the clerk's office that you all can provide at least one viable location in every singledistrict ? >> contingent that the sites are available, contingent that they have a hard wireline that we can connect to. and that it can accommodate a large enough capacity, we will makeevery effort to do this .

and we are absolutely open to the task forcesrecommendations onlocations as well and any location you provide us , we will be glad to reach out and that those locations . >> to member lee, i think just to follow up on what mister ang indicated, we recognize there are 11 districts and multiple communities so to your point we have to have at least 11 sites so we respect that and as mister ang stated we willdo our best to bring you multiple sites if that's what the task force needs . >> thank you madam clerk. my next question iskind of more directed to you madam clerk . all these requirements kind of indicate to me that there will beincreased funding needs for the task forces work . in your opinion, do we have enough funding to conduct these

meetings and do we need todo some advocacy to the board of supervisors to. additional funds >> to member lee , what we've been doing to prepare for the redistricting task force is calling in markers across the department and for the task force literally, my 21 years, 22, who knows now. i literally made relationships in all the departments and calling on those relationships to bring resources to this body. and while we're nowhere near yet we're still working. some of items that mister and mentioned . we've already begun the work. tables and chairs, we are already trying to put in the city can bring us tables and chairs ? who in the city has the needs for staffing. john rns hasoffered up a lot for this body thus far .

adrian pond aswell. we are not yet done conducting our resources your point , i think what would be best is the board of supervisors, they and i have a very good relationship and the minute we know that we're missing a resource or something i will come to you and let this body know. and at the same time let the board know i, i can assume where some of those holes might be were going to try to circle the wagons and bringthe resource and if not i will definitely call on this body . >> thank you madam clerk. and then my final question, i think it's might be a bit more directed towards the city attorney's office. but do we have to be ability to make the in person meetings vaccine only events. >> commissioner, i don't know

at this time. i think that's sort of a review of the health officer.>> member lee, we personally can't control that. and as the task force you can't control that i would have to be on the public health officer's orders. on the mayor. >> that is all of the questions for me. i think all members for their patients. i yield. >> thank you. and the vaccine question is one we can explore. as we move forwardis there any other members that have questions .

>> i'm seeing member cooper is next in the roster.>> i thought i sawhis name . please sir. >> my question i'll sort of circle back to questions earlier. looking at the remote meeting schedule and sfgov tv schedule and seeing that meeting relatively limiting especially if you're stuck going into january andfebruary and not being able to do community meetings . i'm curious if you go over mister anger or madam clerk could go over the what the remote meeting would look like from the public and what our remote meeting would involve. sfgov tv and from the elections commission which a third of us, they have a web. >> setup going on and there are other options. i'm curious if we choose to have our regular meetings or choose to have remote sort of point-and-click community meetingsif it comes to that .

come winter or spring, what that would look like ifwe're outside of the sfgov tv schedule . >> through the chair, to mister and, canyou provide the answer to this question . >> so if, if cable testing and streaming is available provided by sfgov tv is only available for remote meetings,that's those with , those are the dateson the schedule . if meetingscontinue remote , we can continue providing coverage for those specific dates. if we're talking in person meetings offsite at multiple different locations, we this time haven't committed resources or support for off-site in person meetings at this time. thosewould , how thatwould essentially look like , there

would be hypotheticallyspeaking it would be in person only . and public comments would need to be taken in person . that meeting would be a standalone meeting that's not cable casted or streamed . wewould , it would be recorded on site either audio only or is there can be a video elements, that's something we would need to vet with our it folks. it's not somuch about the equipment, it's about staffing ofwhether we can live video coverage on site or not . does that answer the question ? >> i was asking specifically aboutremote meetings and specifically just , there's only like 15 or 16 yellow squares on thecalendar . so i'm just, i still don't have a clear picture of what the remote meetings would look like if we say wewant to have a meeting weekly .

and we can send it in with them thatschedule . thatschedule, what those remote meetings would look like . >>. >> the bottom line is we would do for the redistricting task force what we do for the board and committees . whenever there's a desire for chair to schedule a meeting we go to sfgov tv. we go to dte and look to our partners to say is there anybody in this spot, the chairman like to have a meeting on this day sorry, that's taken and we would negotiate a different day. on the calendar . so in my little presentation on this particular slide member cooper indicated that these are existing dates and times that we have reserved for the task force. but that does not stop us from asking for other dates or remote meetings to fall in betweenthese dates so we would just hear the date from you all, take it immediately to

sfgov tv and see if they could facilitate a meeting . >> i'msorry. just to add one more thing . we can also record the meetings if it can be cable cast and live streamed in real time so the teams meeting can be recorded and it would be posted on the web at a later date. >> soyes, thank you . i just want to be clear that if we have a meeting that has public comment that is live streamed we would have to go through sfgov tv either on one of the reserved dates or on some other daysthat we work out with them . is that correct? >> yes unless an accommodation can be made on their program schedulebut based on their current program schedule , the yellow dates on the calendar are the ones that are concerned

to be available. there's no assurances for outside dates but as angela said we can certainly makethat request . >> one more portion question on this point. i know in person meetings and the community will not be able to be cable cast or live streamed but does that makea difference if we're able to hold these meetings in city hall on 2022 ?would be able to, i know we be able to live stream those that would we be able to have those remote and in person public comments or is it just one or the other the waythings are looking for a meeting like that ? >> if it's hosted in city hall? we are currentlyexploring that possibility . it certainly makesit logistically a lot easier . it narrows it down to just a technology issue. we will need to circle back

with our it folks and confirm. that takes thefacility and the coordination element out of it .that certainlymakes it easier on the operational side . >> that's all the questions i have,thank you for all the work . >> chair: miss all, did you have questions? >> clerk: i think the ca guibert may have additional commentary to offerin response to the questions from members . >> i want to remind the board that full opportunity is not required, it isoptional for th agents . >> chair: very good . okay. i looked, did i see your hand raised? >> thank you. thank you so much for that presentation .

i appreciate how thorough and well thought out all the considerations were and i can appreciate what an operational and logistical feet this is to find locations throughout the cityand all 11 districts . thank you for allthat work you guys are pulling together, i really appreciate that support . i wantedto kind of understand what we're looking at in terms of timeline .of when we should know where thesefuture meetings will be . >> the chair to member all, member ang has already begun network. he started by looking at the sites from the past redistricting task force and will be looking at othersites . we are in conversation with other departments and sites

that they might have used whether it was for testing or vaccinations. i'm not saying we're going to use any of those outdoor sites although we could but we're just looking at different options in addition to suggestions you all might be providing this evening or if something comes toyou over the course of the next week , we are happy to begin vetting these sites as early as possible. so personally, i'm completely comfortable with the list that had been proposed. i don't know if you guys proposed it but the ones that you used last time they were all new community spaces . personally i'm okay with all of those in addition to any additional suggestions from member appears and whoever has

additional suggestions . a lot has changed in the city and maybe newlocations exists now that didn't before . but i just want to stress that we want to get these dates and options available as soon as possible. i think we are all understandingof our tight timeframe . and we want the community to be aware of these meetings as soon as possible so they can understand the process and the part of the conversation as we prepare themselves to come see us in person and if not, view us on tv or whatnot just to be a part of this conversation. and i wanted to ask if as your vetting these locations and dates options, i hope that as much is possible you can have multiple date options for

qualified locations. >> we will that every location brought to our attention and before you actually set the date we will try to have multiple choices for you. >> thank you so much. >> absolutely. >> we will be looking at these sites and i hope we will be prepared as the body to make decisions about them because that's ultimately our call as to when and where and how many and we will be looking and hopefully looking at districts and realize that in terms of land, some districtsare much larger than others . you have district 10. you may have a site in cairo but you've got people thatlive in sunnydale .in that same district and that's like quite

a ways to go so we might have to have two meetings in those kinds of districts.that's up to all of us to decide but those are the kinds of things we're going to have to take into consideration as we tried to develop a plan that meets the needs of the citizens or something that meets our needs. i thought i saw member hernandez gil. did i see your name? did you have questions? >> i did. thank you so much and i want to start byassociating myself with that last comment . i think at the very least it's important to have 11 meetings for each district .but in some cases and in some districts completely in the district where we know there are many san franciscans that are independent that like vehicles, that lack effective transit that we consider that when we're setting up meetings. and to that end, under the

logistics, i definitely want to consider. i would urge you to consider adding this question of bicycle parking that is something that course has become much more common and even consider the possibility ofattended bicycle parking . that is an issue that we have seen the growth of biking asa mode of transportation and over the last couple of years . and i think that would be a good way to be responsive to the community here in san francisco. going back to the question of hybrid in person modepublic comment , i think that is definitely something that i would love to see. i acknowledge and understand the complexities but i think it is worthwhile effort to put in and invest. and lastly there's this question of course of additionalresources which i

understand . i think right now are ample but as the discovery advances aroundwhat sort of things are necessary , i definitely think that i would be happy to make the phone call if necessary. >> thank you so much. i just real quickly would like to get some information going forward that doesn't have to be if you don't have it but the whole issue of child carethat at some of the sites . people should not be limited from participation when they have children who can't afford babysitters but they have an interest in what's happening in their districts. it's something to think about if we're going to offer full participation to our citizens. i guess i don't need an answer tonight but i need you to be thinkingabout it of course please . is there anyone else i don't see ? anyone, mister caryl.

is your hand up? >> member pierces in the roste . >> go ahead. >> i needed a point of clarification fromthe city attorney .if the medical officers of the county does not require vaccinations but one of the community sites does require vaccinations, to enter, is that automatically, is that particular site because it limits public access. >> sorry, i see you madame clerklaughing . >> i'm just smiling mister chair. >> this is dca. i stand my hypothetical question but i can't give you a clear answer but i can extend them out to use.

we're not going to use this site if they don't allow it. >> i just thank you and i don't expect the answer either to the city mandating vaccines right now or if the city doesn't. the site mandating. i was expecting something that you guys can get back to us on. i mean, all of this is setting so let us know. >> through the chair to member cues. we are very sensitive to making sure that the members are conducting their business in a protective way . but also that the public is as well. so if that is the case and we could, just make sure that individuals who have vaccination status show an

order upon entry. we arelooking to have staff available on site to assist us with that. so in anticipation of that were already steps ahead . but will follow mister joubert's lead and the health officer of course. >> thank you both very much. >> very good. is there any other comment? by the membersand if not , mister should we proceed to public comment >> yes mister chair, we continueto work with joe atkins from the office of the board . is bringing in our public commentcolors . for those who already texted by phone press star followed by three if you wish to speak with this item to those already on hold , please continue to wait until you are prompted to begin. you will hear that your line

has been unneeded and i like to take a moment to invite folks from ocia who can provide interpretive speak services for people who are spanish, filipino or samoan.could you please provideinstructions for accessing our public comment system ? [speaking filipino] >> thank you agnes. tony are you here?

>> thank you. [speaking spanish] >>. [speaking spanish] >> thank you very much and also raymond forrest if you're still here could you provide the instructions in filipino?

>>. [speaking filipino] >> your microphone isvery hard to understand . can you try one more time? >>. [inaudible] >> it is not, it's very crackly. that's come back toyou for a moment and see if we can connect to an interpreter who is here to provide interpretation assistance for callers who may speak some open . his he still here? >> i'm still here. >> sorry about the first time. here i go. thank you. [speaking samoan]

>>. [speaking samoan] >> it's good to hear from you. one more from raymond torres. it is still very hard to hear. could you jump in in case we have any callers who speak filipino and we will deal with

that technology at that point . and one more thing because i actuallyneglected to provide publiccomments call in myself in english, this is it 415-655-0001 . the meeting id is 2485 328 8823 . press pound, pound and star 3 if you wish to be entered into the queue to speak. could you connect us to our first color ? >> caller: goodevening task force members . chair reverend townsend and vice chair reiner. my name is stephen currier, i actually participated in the last two redistricting meetings years ago. and per our neighborhood in reverend townsend i'm soglad you brought this up . your district is big and district 11 is quite dark large

and they were separated by it 80 so maybe if we had more than one meeting here in district 11 it would be very appropriate for all our discussions. i would like to say and i'm glad before. i'd like to bring to your attention 10 years ago it was monroe elementaryschool in district 11 . monroe elementary schools cafeteria is very small so my suggestion would be somewhat high school which has a large auditorium theater. which could actually fit people if they wanted to come to these meetings to have a discussion on these issues. so thank you so much and good luck in these next few months. >> thank you for your comments.

could we get the next color please. >> caller: can you hear me okay? >> clerk: go ahead. >> caller: david philpell again. i appreciate the detailed presentation put together by the clerk's office and defended by clerk calhoun and deputy director ang in your discussion just now about the various meetinglogistics and considerations . as one of the slides indicated the city attorney as a detailed memo about the topic of 361 on their website . it's near the top at s.f. city attorney.org/legal opinions and finally on the calendar as you work through those issues i would definitely reserve friday, april 15 2022 for a final meeting.

i think that's entirely likely that it will take that long and that you will be adopting a final report and drawing approving the final lines on that date so i would encourage you to make arrangements for friday, april15 2022 . further comments on other items, thankyou . >> thank you, mister adkins do we have any further comments. if there are, would you connec them . >> kenny perry? >> we can hear you butit is very quiet, if you could speak up . >> i'm fromnew york . thank you to everyone for robust conversation. when it is safe to do so during the pandemic, we would

definitely not just like to see lauren gerard and the league of womenvoters of san francisco . we'd like to see not just meetings in these district but consider spaces nears census tracts that have hadsignificant populations . put the census data out in california. it's been adjusted for citizen populations so i am curious about when the task force and public will get to see that data on how this population has changed. we recommend considering spending for hybrid public comment all meeting. there's a bill on the desk. that is one that could preserve the requirements for virtual public comment in district one perhaps the city attorney could comment on that . it's if it's signed or isn't

signed by the systems. and second withwhat david said , there should be lots more meetings on the calendar especially on the table . also that calendar of availability isn't just on the weekends and that is something we will have todiscuss if you want to include in the near term . and also, earlier i did hear us task force member use the word citizens and i would like to remind the members that this body and the government means all people in san francisco, citizens and noncitizens alike so thank you very much and i appreciate all your doing. >> thank you for your comments again. mister atkins could you connect to the next color. >> the evening task force members. i am with the league of women

voters and i really just want to echo lauren's comments about considering areas at or near areas where houses have significant population cases especially in coordination with elections and outreach consultants. but the reason for why we recommend that is that redistricting law requires a jurisdiction that all districts population. they're not specific to san francisco allowing one present deviation with an additional five percent deviation if necessary to prevent that dividing or diluting the power of minorities and to keep recognizing neighborhoods intact. so that's kind of the reasonwhy we think especially the preliminary census data has released in august . we can see the census tract changes at the moment and chances are following federal

redistricting guidelines goes those boundaries there might be boundary changes in those areas that's something to consider along with many of the logistics that have already been discussed at this meeting. also, the you might not necessarily have these hybrid meetings and should probably consider in future meetings how to make the mapping tools that the redistricting consultant is trying to give to the public and making it the training in these languages.that way there's more options. many opportunities for folks t participate . if they can making in person or if they don't have the technology tobe able to access these meetings . thank you . >> clerk: thank you for sharing your comments. could we get the next commento please ?

>> caller: hello, can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, please begin. >> caller: my name is mary harris like stephen currier i've been in the last 2 redistricting meetings. i would like to concur with what you said. i'm hoping that we can have 2 meetings fordistrict 11 . particularly in excelsior but my part of the district, the omi has not had the same opportunity to have a meeting in our area. and i think it's really important that we not disenfranchise the african-american community that is in the oceanview part of the district and we in the past

have had to take the hit on relocation of the boundary line and it hasn't been an equal when we've had to take some of our community and share it with district 7 or another district. it hasn't been an equal division of the boundaries. so i would hope that this time we could have a better opportunity to have input. thank you so much. >> thank you for sharing your comments. could we be connected to the next color please ?>> there are no further colors inthe queue ? >> we've reached the end of the

queue. >> chair: that concludes publi comment on this item . mister caryl, i was wondering if rather than voting we would leave this item open until the next meeting since we're still going to be discussing how our meetings are going to take place or is that not advisable? >> clerk: mister chair, if you wanted to make a motion to continue this to a future agenda and take a second for that we could take a rollcall vote on the question like that but i see there arestill members of the task force are waiting to be recognized . the first is member oh . >> thank you. there were 2 members of the

public that mentioned d11, at least two. i think there were two and i want tosay that i hear you and i recognize that . even in the presentation i did notice there were some who had multiple meetingsin and district 11 only had one . so i do want to say that i see that. we will try to make that right. the other thing was one of the colors, i believe her name was jen mentioned the one percent rule. keeping neighborhoods intact and preserving communities of interest. i hope that we have an opportunity to actually have a conversation and discuss what the legalstandards actually are for those things . so that it's not just for our edification but just for the

general public, edification of what this onepercent rule means . what is the standard of proof needed for any type of exceptions around and what had happened in the past . we talked about this on our first meeting when the conversation of committees of interest was brought up and what that meant and i wanted to kind of delve deeper into what that means to us as a group. how that was defined. and you know, even like what a legal definition aroundthat might look like . like what the interpretation of the communitymight look like . so i'd like to propose that at some point perhaps at our next meeting we actually have some dedicated time around speaking to this legal interpretation of these rules that were bound by.

>> mister chair, i believe the clerkof the board once asked the question . >> i'm sorry, i didn't hear. >> thank you jerry townsend. supervisor to member whole and for the members of the public who maybe didn't hear the entire presentation that we made,respectfully this slide on slide six i believe that has the meeting locations on it ,it is not our suggested place where this body needs . it is onlyto show you where this group met last time . and so to alert you we are getting the sites .and any other sites you as a group or individually or members of the public would like us to send them to us and we will get

them. but by no means would we recommend exhibits to the group i just wanted to make that part. clear . >> thank you madame clerk. member oh if i could, one of the reasons i was suggesting that we continue this item is just so we can come to decisions for example about where we would hold two meetings. and where we might not and why because we all need to be able to explain all of that to the public and i'm certainly not prepared to make decisions like that tonight. so i think that we ought to set some time aside for specific discussions on an issue that's important. of when we have meetings, where wehave been . why we have them here and not there and why we have to initiatives but only had one in this section or why we had three that's all up to you all to decide. what you want and how you want

to happen . and whyand i also that if we take a future meeting , hopefully the next meeting it also gives the public to give further input on what they know about their districts or because i think it's important that we understand that it's as hard as it may be for us to accept all of it brilliance and talent when it comes to redistricting is not enough for folks that are sitting here but there are some other valuable opinions we oughtto want to have and want to give time to receive . that's why i was wanted to suggest someone moved to hold this over but i think we still may have members who want to speak. mistercarol . >> next in the roster is member cooperfollowed by member jeremy lee . >> i appreciate the public comment. the meetings of both belleville high school, i go that monroe canbe a little tight .

especially when that's important as well. i do i definitely echo chair counties words that we should have some time especially i think the community meetings we will have the there's a wait-and-see game in terms of being able to schedule those knowing when that would happen. i do thinkthat you keep talking about the next meeting but we don't have a meeting scheduled at all . it's sort of within the purview of the agenda item so i think my vision and proposal for going forward would be to have the backbone of regular meetings at a regular aspectof the two . there's a lot of administrative especially at this point but even as we move on and i think it's best to have a set of regular meetings where we cover things making sure that we have the right funding to do

outreach and all of that. we have a backbone of regular meetings and then a special meeting schedule alongside that as we go along the winter and spring that we have those community meetings so that we don't have to talk about bylaws and things like that while we are in the public we don't have to spend an hour with that. we can just take the public interaction. so i think i would like to move to set up a set of regular meeting schedules. and i know that we talked about having mixed times and i think what special meetings would be able to mix it up but at the very least we should have kind of a baseline regular meeting schedule which i would say would be kind of starting where we that trend and starting basically being first and third mondays except for december 20

and except for january 17 and except for february 21. so that will at least give us something to put, these are meetings we will be able to put on the calendar right now. on the website so folks will know that things are happening and then we could begin the process starting next meeting. of working onscheduling the community meetings . so that's mymotion . >> very good. now, is there any other, are there any other members? >> there are mister chair. member jeremy lee is next in thequeue . >> i did see that. mister lee. >> thank you chair.i would like to first ask for the clerk's office, when can we expect a somewhat finalized

list of potential sites from your office. >> through the chair i believe it was member leave. thank you. with your permission, we will use some of the sites that are onthis list . number one, and number two, take any other sites between now and going forward sothat we can get those as well . so to answer your question member lee, if the sites are satisfactory to you that are on the list where than last time. you can consider that the body can address that now or later. we're going to get them anyway ifthey're still available . and we're happy to take any other sitesthat you might recommend . now or later . so on whatever your desire is

is whatwe will make happen . >> madame clerk, my understanding what was as you also your office is still waiting to hear back from reckoned parks and other city departments on potential sites so i guess i just wanted to get a sense of a timeline of when you would have all those sites. youwould have received the list . >> wilson mw, director of operations. she just got disconnected but we are, i contacted the community partners.at this time we don't have a window to get back to us but i will be doing a follow-up every year. let's say every week. and we can provide you with updates on the way. we will let see. my last contact with them was last friday.

we will be glad to provide anotherfollow-up shortly after this meeting . and we will community convene. >> for just a moment, this is your clerk john carroll. just a quick bit of housekeeping. something technological is occurred and we become disconnected fromthe public comments call in line . for a few moments of this discussion we have not been her and we are working now you bridge the public comment all in lineback to this meeting . it would probably be best especially because i think that madame clerk has also become disconnected. it may be best for us to take a brief recess. >> take a break.nobody's been able to go past for a couple of hours here. why do we just take a break or what, five minutes? >> should we reconvene at 805? >> 805 it is.

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>> we are back and we are back in session and mister jeremy lee, i believe you have the floor. >> thank you chair townsend. i want to talk about the potentialmeeting dates . i counted and there are 10 mondays and 10fridays on the calendar . i would just say i am doing all of the mondays and all the fridays and just kind of like those in. with either option, i don't think i've seen much time in between these meetings. just wanted to put that out there. >> mister chair, vice chair

rainer has her name in the roster. >> thank you mister clark and thank you mister chair. i wanted to be clear on what we are proposing in the meetings because i agree i think we should get the meeting set on the calendar especially because we want the tv to be available for the duration, not just untilchristmas . i'm not concerned about which dates we choose and we should choose a date whether it's monday or wednesday and monday or friday or whatever we decide on. let's just book it for the duration so that we can always cancel a meeting if we have to call a special meeting around it. so i'm just putting that out. thank you. >> chair: we should select dates. i for one am not a big fan of

writing meetings but tends baseball season is ending, it's not asimportant as it could be . i'm just being honest folks. member pierce. did you have something you wanted to ask for? to thisconversation? >> i just to member lee , to his point i did have two suggested sites for this event. i needed to check in with them andget more information before i passed it along so i'm planning on getting my list . but of potential sites to the clerk's office by friday. just to let you guys know. >> what i like to do is kind of bring us back in. we're talking about dates and

we're talking about locations. and we're just kind of tripping around from one to the other. i'd like to point the conversation to number one, i had suggested if you don't want to do it it's fine. that we hold the issue of how many meetings and when to perhaps our next meeting. and settle the dates and time then. while we all had a chance to thinkabout it and study it . then we need to do something about it and talk about locations . so it's up to you what you do but we ought to do something rather than just toss it back andforth . >> mister chair, i'm seeing vice chair in the queue.

>> i'm just seeing that. >> may i suggest chair that we separate the regular meetings from the special meetings that we're talking about. and if those meetings are going to be held on the same date, that would be fine but i would like to set either on monday and wednesday which isfine with me. iprefer wednesday through fridays as well . but if wehave a monday and wednesday , set up . for regular meetings, twice a month and let's set that first. then we can set all the special meetings in between those but i wouldlike to see that on the calendar established . >> chair: you can dowhat you like. what we need is a motion . >> i like to propose a motion that we decide on the dates and getregular meetings onthe calendar . >> chair: are you recommending monday and wednesday as well ?

>> i am recommending the first monday and what was that, the second wednesday or the third wednesday of the month, not sure what that is but one monday and one wednesday of the month. >> chair: first and third. second? is there a second? >> second. >> this is member of hill, i second that. >> chair: wonderful. is there any other comments? >> there is mister chair. member cooper has his name in the roster. thank you. i'm sorry. >> i think that the a few points. i think mixing up on between the days of the week generally is a good idea. i hope that by october 20 we are able to get that. that isn't one of the special

dates. so we would have to get that situated by then. i would also say that having that saturday is important and we also product as part of this motion would have to set another time. so we could stick with 6 pm and then as per the special meetin , we could mix up at times and whatnot candidates is all. >> member lee has his name in the roster. >> mister lee please. >> thank you mister chair.

sorry about that. i appreciate the suggestions made on the wednesday meeting. unfortunately i have a standard commitment on the evening of this evening of the third wednesday of the month so i wouldsuggest amending that motion . flipping it around the first wednesday and third monday of the month . and. >> does baker accept the amendment? >> go ahead mister lee. >> i do vice chair for the amendment. as for the time of the meeting i am amenable to 6:00 or we can also start at 5:30. if people want to start a bit earlier. half an hour earlier it might be helpful.

>> i have an issue with that only because for so manypeople , getting off work is problematic and the public may be hindered from getting to our meetings and icertainly wouldn't want to do that . >> that i withdraw my motion to amend the time. >> thank you. >> mister chair we do still have further speakers from the roster but i believe also that operations deputy director wilson may have additional clarifying commentsthat may be helpful to the consideration of wednesday dates . >> mister endingand then the members. >> thank you . deputy director of operations, on behalf of clerk of the board, the dates that were proposed on ourpresentation are the first and third mondays and first and third fridays .

wednesday was not one of the highlighted dates. so will need to confer with our team on the clerk's side. we currently don't have availability onwednesdays. but for i may need to confer with our team further . but the proposed dates on our end workfirst and third mondays and first and fourth mondays . >>. >> what you try to do there is, what you would do now is go back and check and let us know whether we could do third first wednesdays and third mondays. and you could come back and let us know and if we cannot do that. then we would do something els , how about that? i don't know who's talking. beg your pardon? >> someone's microphone seems

to be opened up, not sure who it is. but the chair of the committee is directing a question i believe at operations director ang. thank you. as far as we know right now wednesday, there's no broadcast available for wednesday. or cable casting or streaming available for wednesday period. that's a no go date for sfgov tv. if that is a contingency for a meeting,that's probably the consideration you may want to consider . >> chair: very good. members. >> member pierce is in the roster. >> chair: i assume someone at is afterpierce . >> i unfortunately have a standingmeeting . it is my loan standing meeting. on the third monday of the

month. so i would not be able to make that date. if that becomes our regular meeting. unless it actually happens in the afternoon and i know we're trying to keep this to the evening so people can attend after work. >> first monday. >> member lee is in the roster. >> member lee. >> thank you. i just want to say that i think it is absolutely imperative that sfgov tv be available everysingle time that we meet as a body . so i would not be in favor of holding any kind of meetingwhen sfgov tv is not available . at this point i would just suggest that maybe we go through each individual date

until the end of the year just said it that way. i leave that to the chair. >> is there any other comments? >> i see no further names in the roster. there have been decisions that i've heard and i just want to for housekeeping sake make sure we keep them clear. member cooper didn't make a motion to begin setting the regular meeting schedule and selected the firstand third mondays .that motion has not yet been seconded. it was a motion that was offered by vice chair reiner seconded by lily ho and amended by a friendly amendment to offer the first wednesday of the month and third monday of the month. that motion as i mentioned has beenseconded . that's what i've taken notes for so far.

>> members, our issue is we can't have sfgov tv where told on wednesdays. that's the reality of the order. and so we have a motion for the first andthird mondays . that motion we can vote on it. what do folks think about that. >> i will second that motion. member pierce, i'm sorry. >> i note that member pierce has seconded the art option. additional names have now offered themselves in the roster, first being member hernandez gil . >>. >> next in the queue is member

cooper. >> i was going to have a timeout. >> proposed at 6 pm. >> perfect. anyone else. >> i'm not seeing any further namesin the roster . >> that means we can proceed to a vote. >> :a vote on the motion offered by member cooper and seconded by member pierce that the regular meeting schedule be set forthe first and third mondays at 6 pm . >> chair: that's what i'm doing. >> on that motion, member jeremy lee. [roll call vote].

>>. [roll call vote] point of clarification, mayi ask for a point of clarification . okay. aye. >> report the results of the vote. it is eight aye's and one note with member pierce in the dissent. >> chair: go ahead member reiner. >> vice chair: i wanted to get a clarification that this is april so april 15 because

originally i thought we were talking about december. i wanted to make sure this is on the books for the duration of thetask force . >> chair: you have to go to the maker of the motion to answer that question . >> i make a motion. mister cooper? >> chair: i'm asking for clarification. >> my intention was it go until april 4 which is the last date of the term within our legal period. >> chair: so you all know the suggestion of april 15 is tax day. you're not ready tomeet on tax day i know . member pierce, i was under the impression itwas wednesdays . it's mondays . >> that was member lee. i can't do the third monday. i need clarification on what my

next steps are because this effectively gives me. >> chair: i need help. >> there has been a motion now to set this regular meeting schedule on the first and third mondays at 6 pmwhich prevailed by 6 to 1 . if there was a motion to rescind that vote and seconded we would take a roll call vote on that and you would have reversed that action. >> chair: members, what's your pleasure? i don't feel comfortable votin anyone out of the meeting ? we need to get my, my suggestion is we get creative here . >> some members of the task force haveentered their names into the roster . member cooper.

>> i apologize if i got that date roster in the shuffle. i still am not 100 percent clear. i think if we're clarifying a little bit it seems like we at least for now can't have meetings outside of the yellow date. that will push us to the frida . so i would then say it would have to have it be and it looks like it's what, first and fourth fridays was up there. so with the additional, that's just good friday. so i guess i'm not going to move now but i guess that would make sense is i guess i will

make a motion to have the first monday. >> chair: we need to rescind thevote that we just took . is there a second? >> second, this ismember hernandez gil . >> chair: very good, moved and seconded, any discussion ? >> are there further names on the roster. member lee . >> thank you mister chair. thank you carol. i think in this whole rigmarole we all agree that firstmonday works . that at least settled that date first and to figure out the

second date after we propose we take that action. so that we settle one date at least. >> i would like us to rescind the motion before we start discussing alternatives. because we can't do anything about an alternative until we rescind the vote we justtook . >> mister chair just for clarification, the committee could continue to discuss the additional dates. they haven't been completely dispensed with thisitem yet . so hearing from the other folks who have their names in the roster could be helpful for making decisions there is a motion that has beenseconded and you could ask me to call the roll on it . that may help to recommend anothername . >> chair: i wanted to put it in perspective what we have to get done to do anything. whoever's next go right ahead. >> i see that dca 10 has joined

the meeting and theyhave some additional clarifying information that may be helpful to the task force . >> that evening everyone. so sorryto be turning this particular meeting late . just a couple of things that i do want to clarify. certainly i think it's one member had suggested and early in the discussion that if we do take a regular meeting date we can still build around that date with additional special meetings as required so the regular meeting doesn't bind us from more often. i certainly also don't mean to hold up the motion to rescind. be out of the task force to not allow one ofits members to be on a regular basis . the last thing i want to mention is that quickly speaking sfgov tv is not required at the current time for the task force to hold its meetings. it's not a legal constraint under your schedules.

certainly after tonight's meeting i continue to work with the clerk's office to figure out whether this other technicalplatforms or other ways of meeting that would allow the public to hear the task force proceedings as well so i want to make a few points . >> thank you. moving right along. >> member castillon is on the roster. >> he answered my question with his comment. >> clerk: member pierce is in the roster. >> i needed to know. we have had several motions that have public comment for this item being proposed or does the public get a chance to comment on this. >> i believe mister chair did closepublic comment as we heard from five votes . >> public comment is closed for agenda item 4. then i'm ready to take it up.

>>. >> chair: is jeremy lee next. >> i am looking at the calendar and i would like to propose the first monday and the fourth friday. but before friday excluding the dates that sfgov tv is not available. that gives us the 22nd of october. 1 november, 6 december and then januarythrough april . so i would like to make that motion. >> we can take and have a motion. when we get a vote on. >> would you like to call mister chair on the revision? >> if everyone's had their chance to talk about it.

>> that is the issue because there arestill members who have not . >> chair: i thought that was a motionmister cooper wasgoing to make and then we got to ask. this ispremature . i'm sorry , call the next person . >> i was about to say my comments canwait . >> is going to make on whatever the second motion will be. >> was next. >> mister lee. >> same with member cooper. i'll save my comments until after . >> chair: thank youso much. is there another ? >> clerk: there is not mister chair.

there was a motion offered by member cooper and seconded by member hernandez gil to rescind the vote to schedule the regular meeting schedule betweennow and january between now and april 15 . for the first and third monday on the motion to rescind member jeremy lee. >>. [roll call vote]. there are nine aye's on the motion to rescind. >> chair: now in you. those who wanted to speakafter this . and if anyone wants to bring a

motion, now would be the prope time . who is next, was that mister cooper for you? >> i don't see that there are any further names in the queue but i do note that this remember jeremy lee did make a motion for the first monday and fourth fridays that motion is not yet seconded . in previously there was before that, there was also the motion for the first wednesday and the third monday. that motion offered by vice chair rain. >> chair: so third wednesday. >> that was for the first monday and third wednesday and then by a friendly motion to amend on was switched to be the third monday and first

wednesday. that was , would have been in order after the previous motion that prevailed andhas now been rescinded . >> then we were informed by textile that the sfgov tv is not available onwednesdays . that was what we were told. so do we want to continue with this wednesday motion or does the make you want to withdraw it. >> i withdraw that motion. >> is so helpful. now we have mister lee, jeremy lee. you wanted to makea motion mister cooper , did you have something youwanted to say ? i saw his name again. >> my question is on setting vehicular and that's something that was set in the regular meeting schedule.

is that something that wecan, if that's something we have to do or something we can amend later . i mostly asked because i know that we discussed even baseball, maybe fridays might notbe the ideal date to be having . this may maybe we can do one of the maybe the first monday half and then fill the special meeting for the 22nd and then potentially work between now and then to try to get some more dates on the regular schedule but i don't know what our options are to have a set of full regularschedule now or be able to edit the regular schedule thereof . >> youcan pretty much do what we like . by way of motion. >> i believe the dca may have response.

>> just very briefly, some member cooper so the body should adopt a regular meeting date of some sort or type. as i think a few people have bandied about we could have just preliminarily just a single regularmeeting date of perhaps the first monday and then again around that date with additional special meetings . as subject to notice requirements of course. as we explore other waysto engage the public and allow them to observe the meetings . if the task force does adopt a regular meeting we can always change it going forward as well so we're not bound to this for the next months. >> chair: that is extremely helpfulsir. members, what do you want to do ?>> member lee has an amendment on the roster. >> chair:please. mute .

>> sorry mister chair. thank you for being patient and foryour comments . i will forward the information of the task force i will not be able to make it october 22 for outstanding commitments. i will reiterate my initial recommendation to staff on first monday. and figure out the rest later in a more flexible fashion because member pierce and i have been flexible on these meeting dates. in the interest of economy given that it's a: 30 and we have another item, several items to go i would like to make a motion to set our regular meeting date for the first monday of the month at 6 pm.

>> i will second that member hernandez gil. >> chair: wonderful. it'sbeen properly moved and seconded. is there any further comment ? >> i see now member jeremy lee followed by vice chair reiner in the queue. >> i'd like to withdraw my previous motion for the first monday and fourth friday. >> chair: is there anyone else? if not let's moveto vote. if you could restate the motion . >> i believe vice chair reiner is still in the queue. >> chair: i didn't see it.

>> thank you very much. i thought we were going to talk about the third fridays because i thought the third friday was okay for everybody except member lee to do it on this first one in october but i thought everybody was available for the third friday and so was sfgov tv. >> chair: that's not the motion on the floor. >> i just put myname in the queuebefore the motion was named . that's why i commented . >> if i may, clerk of the board to vice chair reiner. it's the fourth friday of the month thatsfgov tv is available . >> chair: we have a motion on the floor. >> member leaves seconded by

member hernandez gill made a motion to schedule the first mondays at 6 pm and just for clarity that is for the duration of the and panel period for the redistricting. >> chair: we are not precluded fromadding another date whenever we so desire . let's do this now if it's okay with you all. we will look to where we need to go to make sure we get enough meetings in to meet the public's needs. mister carol. >> one more thing mister chair mister cooper has entered his name into the roster . >> we can vote on this. i was just going to comment that it would be good for us to have another meeting to now and

november 1. however, i don't believe besides the friday before that meeting any day that works for both sfgov tv and all nine members of the taskforce . we just may have to vote on the first amendment. >> chair: i'd recommend our first meeting in november, prepared to staya while . mister caryl. >> on the motion offered by member lee seconded by member hernandez gil, member lee. [roll call vote] there is no

opposition. >> chair: wonderful, thank you all. next item. which i believe is five. >> clerk: just a moment. agenda item number five is discussion of the draft proposed redistricting task force bylaws posted in notice on the redistricting task force website on friday september 24, 2021. this is a discussion and possible action item the task force take comment prior to any item. members of the public should call the comment number and i willrepeat what it is .

415-655-0001, enter the meeting id of 2485 328 8823. press pound, pound to connect to the meeting number, star 3 to speak. the system promptswill indicate you have raised yourhand . you may then begin comments mister chair . >>chair: thank you . so are we ready? >> clerk: the item is called. >> perhaps she has additional information mister chair. >> i didn't mean to take the floor just to put out context , i'll bebrief . >> chair: absolutely. >> in the interest of time and thank you for your patience we

drafted a bylaws for the redistricting task force . these arerelatively simple and efficient . it is based off of what was adopted in 2011 2012 for that iteration of the task force that happens to be more condensed but it at this time we were covering the basis and the biggest agenda item is setting a particular date and time and otherwise i'm available for anyquestions . thankyou . >> let me ask his has everyone had achance to look at the bylaws . is there anyone who hasn't had a chance to look at the bylaws, the proposed bylaws? you all aren't saying anything, it's got to be one or the othe . >> clerk: thereare names appearing in the roster at this

time . member hernandez gil. >> thank you. my comment is in regards to article six item 7 as to the attendance. as we decided there will be right now currently only one meeting a month that will be considered regular. obviously i think we will need to do a whole lot more special meetings so i would propose that at this question of attendance that we remove this question of regular meetings and just call any meetings of the task force because i think that's going to beimportant . otherwise we might end up with a situation where somebody is unable to attend the special meetings and essentially miss out on the both of them. >> chair: that works. is that emotion?

>> clerk: that is correct. it would be to strike any reference to regular meeting and just leave meeting in that section >> chair: is there a second ? thank you memberpierce . any comments? >> there arefurther names in the roster . followed by member pierce, followed by dcf chen who may haveclarifying comments at this point . >> mister lee. >> thank you care townsend. following thecomments earlier , i moved to amend article 6, section 1 to read the first monday of each month at 6 pm. and ask for a second.

>> we can add that texturally based on the action taken to avoid any potential conflict . >> that will be done. >> otherwise we may wind up in a situation where we have conflict between dates and times you amend in here and the action you hadpreviously forcing us to make amendments to recall the previous item . resend those votes, make those changes unless district disagrees we can make the change to add in the regular meeting schedule added in the previous items without additional motions at this point. >> chair: who's next? >> member pierce. >> did i get frozen out? so i would like to make a

motion to open discussion on article 6, section 3, voting. we have all motions require a second and then we take a vote of a majority which really is not defined. are we talking simplemajority, super majority or consensus ? i knowlast time votes required consensus . i would like for that to be settled before we finalize the bylaws. idon't know that we can do that tonight . but i am putting a motion onthe floor for us to discuss that . >> chair: okay. do we take a second or do we hold this until we vote on the previous motion?

>> was that a motion to have the continued discussion in that case? okay. >> i know deviation entered his name in theroster but i'm not sure if he has further comments . >> just a couple of comments and if i could start with a clarifying questiontwo member hernandez gil . i want to understand your intended amendment . i believe it's article 6, section 7 and that is you wanted to delete the references in the secondparagraph to regular meetings to apply for all meetings . >> that is correct.>> one thing i should clarify about the second paragraph is it will track the ordinance convening the task force and the ordinance convening the task force as this rule is a member misses three regular meetings

they're deemed to have resigned. i don't think withthese bylaws we can make a further amendment imposing a stricter rule . some of this is three special meetings that there also deemed to have resigned or deemed to have resigned from the task force. >> may i ask a clarifying question? >> of course. >> the reason why i was a little bit confused as here we make mention to three consecutive absences of a member which i do believe goes beyond the document that you referred to. can you explain that? >> so this is again just parroting what is currently in the ordinance convening the task force and that can provision provides three consecutive absences of a member from regular meetings. without any sort of advanced permission or approval . it will result in a member's resignation .

that's something that's contained in the ordinance and reflected or repeated in the bylaws . >> thank you. >> thank you. i'm sorry to interrupt. i was going to take anattempt to respond to member pierce's question . interms of the vote thresholds , it isa simple majority of the entire body . so five votes would be an affirmative votefor the task force and just a clarifying question . all motions generally would have to be unanimous to be carried, is that the intention member pierce? >> that isnot the intention necessarily. i wanted to ask whether we wanted that intention or not . i know theprevious task force actually had a consensus

requirement which means 100 percent yes . i don't know that we ever made it out of a meeting with the standard that high so idon't know that i recommended . i just know there are three basic options. it is simple majority, simple majority or consensus and i wanted us to figure out which one we wanted . >> i'm fine with five like i said. these meetings are going to go latenight anyway so i didn't want all of us to discuss . >> thank you for the clarification . >> chair: where does this leave us in terms of regularmeetings versus needs ? >> to whom are you directing thequestion mister chair ? >> chair: who was there? mister chen? >> he was there.

if there are no further names inthe roster . >> chair: we will go to the next andmaybe we will get to the clarification . >> vice chair reiner is in the roster. >> vice chair: i want to know are we still talking about what we are calling the meeting or have we moved on forother issues ? i'm not sure. >> chair: go ahead. >> mister clerk. >> clerk: you're asking me to defineyour conversation ?>> vice chair: no. >> chair: we're talking about the meetings still. >> vice chair: that i will wai . >> chair: we heard a vote on changing from regular meetings to meetings with conflict with what's in the ordinance that creates the task force. iunderstand itcorrectly .

mister city attorney . so if that's what we're talking about i want to know what you all want to do going forward. i don't know how we reconcile that conflict in language so do we still leave regular meeting in or do we move to try and change theordinance that created this ? >> i prefer leaving it in. i have the floor. >> chair: anybody else. >> i believe the clerk of the board hasadditional clarifying information that might be helpful . >> i think whatyou're doing is a great start . your studying is it the first monday of the week as the

regular schedule. i think what we can do is on the task force website we can put a caveat that this is the regular meeting schedule, the first monday of the month. but that it will also be amended to include other regular dates asthey become available . so i'm not sure if that answers your knee here but just know that if you're going to set the first monday of the month as a regular meeting date it will not be the only regular meeting because were goingto add others to it as well that you will get to approve . i would leave the bylaws, the language as it is. >> chair: wonderful, thankyou . >> member hernandez gil is in the queue.

>> chair: mister hernandez gil. >> so i just took a second to go back to the ordinance and what i suspected was correct. there is no mention of the consecutive meetings. i propose that if we are not to make these bylaws more restrictive than the ordinances passed by the board of supervisors, then i make a motion that we remove the part that says three consecutive absences so basically the cler , the language i'm proposing is the clerk shall maintain a record of attendance and shall report all absences to the members appointing authority. that would keep it in line with the legislation as is without us going beyond making it more

restrictive. because if we are able to make it more restrictive, then i suggest we just remove regular. >> chair: i misunderstood. i didn't think it was an issue of the three absences. i thought it was an issue of regular meetings versus all meetings. and that what's in the ordinance is regular meetings. >> that was my understanding as well but then we heard that it couldn't be more restrictive than the ordinance what i'm saying is the proposal as it is , the threeconsecutive absences makes it more restrictive . i'm saying weremove that issue .all absences are reported to the members appointing authority and we can let the appointing authority decide

when and if it's too much to deal with the issue. >> chair: mister carol, who is in the queue. >> mister lee. >> chair: mister lee. >> thank you mister chair. through the deviation, miss hernandez gil points out until we get verification of the current bylaws. do you mind that in the language or. >> i can confirm member hernandez gil's motion is consistent with the ordinance and could be adopted by thetask force tonight . >> thank you.

>> is there anyone else in the queue . i believe we can move towards a vote. >> clerk: we have not yet taken public item comment. >> members for a public comment on the draft bylaws should call the public comment number, 415-655-0001. andrew the meeting id of 2485 328 8823, press pound, pound to connect to the meeting and press star 3 to enter to speak. wait untilthe system prompt indicates you haveraised your hand . you may then begin your comments . member lee could you provide instructions inchinese ? >>.

[speaking chinese] >> please do the same for our spanish-speaking listeners. >>. [speaking spanish]

>> clerk: thank you. members if you're still there could you provide instructions for the latino speaking and members of thepublic who wish to provide comment on this item . >> good evening. [speaking filipino]

>> clerk: i'm sorry to report to everyone our interpreter who is providing services for speakers of summerlin had to disconnect from thecall and is nolonger available . mister atkins, could you connect us to our first color ? >>. >> caller: can everyone hear m . >> clerk: we can, please begin. >> caller: good evening honorableredistricting task

force members . my name is simon and i'm representing our community group advocates 11 advocate for mydistrict 11 . i would like to say i've been present for this entire meeting and the last one had access to the task forcemade more readily available to the public . i'm on the webpage for this meeting i see the call in number followed by pound, pound but it does not include the information indicating that star 3 must be pressed in order toenter the queue . i thought we were supposed to leave a message for public comment so i did that last time but had it not been for the phone call from my associates and mentor mary harris, i don't have cable access in to press it at the end of the prompt i wouldn't be here. access to the public always important and i would ask that your website reflect the proper

information. to allow persons like myself to call into this andfuture meetings . with that said, i don't know if this would be a be the appropriate time. i would. >> this is not general public comment. this is comment on the bylaws. >>. >> i can wait for item 7 if you would put me back on hold. >> we will go to the next caller who wants to provide public comments on the bylaws agenda item number five . >> good evening task force members.league of women voters of sanfrancisco . we advocate for transparency in all aspects of the process and the title is in transparency in the bylaws and there seems to be no provisions around

communication especially around the medications outside of public meetings . i would suggest having provisions around task force to medications about a lot of communications on public websites, especially communications outside of public meetings and hearings about goings-on of public boundaries. this suggestion is intended to alleviate the line drawn process . to influence the redistricting boundaries are transparent in public. and in the event that members receive or engage in such communications outside public meetings or hearings , members shall report all such indications including written public comment be published on the council's website and be called by the task force exploitation medications law or simply a lost indications in order to have these medications wasteinto the public record . the suggestion is not intended

to refix members from directly communicating with task force staff, legal counsel or retained by the task force. some examples you might want to look into is the san diego redistricting commission and the la redistricting commission bylaws. there bylaws are actually, our bylaws are three pages long but there's are 10 pages and seven pages long and that dedicates two pagesto communication for the members . and in both the la indications, la county redistricting commission, my alternative is to have outlined medications and it seems only natural that that follow suit in line with the transparent redistricting process and task force members can discuss this item more in thenext meeting . maybe looking at the san diego and la county bylaws to include

provisions around communicatio . >> thank you for your comments could we get the next caller please ? >> hi again. my name is stephencurrier . i just wanted to sort of remind you that the item for, we do take public comments on the dates on when we were having these meetings. so i'm just going to respond to this by saying please do not do fridays. especially in the working communityof district 11 which is blue-collar community . friday meetings are not, are, cannot be done here in this district. but on the imposed district of the task forcebylaws , i think

that most definitely in line 10 years ago, it looks at the viability of the neighborhoods as the district of san francisco which makes them equal and i think district 11 was one of the districts that was sort of overshadowed as we were at every single meeting. at those redistricting meetings. i thank you for having the people in every district discuss district 11 be part of these meetings. i thank you somuch for that . >> clerk: stephen, can we get the nextcaller please ?

>> can you hear me?>> clerk: we can hear you. >> caller: >> this is lauren gerard and with the league of womenvoters of san francisco . thank you for thisimportant conversation . bylaws a lot of important groundwork for how the redistricting task force will run itself. and making sure that you both feel like this is everything thatneeds and you understand each part is really important . in i just want to point out following on the conversation earlier the importance that convenes the task force does not say three consecutive regular meetings . the wordconsecutive does not appear in the ordinance . the ordinance says any member who missesthree regular meetings within a six-month period without express approval of the task force . for before each meeting shall be deemed removed from the task

force. it goes on to talk about that a bit more. so if the interest is to have these bylaws match the ordinance , then the fourth consecutive doesnot belong . i do believe that you can go above and beyond what the board ofsupervisors has set out for you in these ordinances . you have, you can be independent. andto go beyond the minimum . so that requirements of three missed meetings at the minimum and to follow up on retention, over 10 years ago is not necessarilya good measure of what we should be doing today . a lot of redistricting best practices in the last 10 years and if you continue this item as jensuggested to the next meeting , the league would be happy to provide ample language about medications. or you to consider including in the bylaws and also provide language to the information that she recommended you can follow upby email after that

meeting as well . >> thank you, can we get the nextcaller please . are there any further colors i the queue ? if you've heard your line has been on muted thatbegins your opportunity to enter comments . do we have a caller on the line ? >> yes, this is mark powell from district 9 and i wanted to agree with i think the league of women voters representatives forproviding links to san diego . i lost for their redistricting commission especially article 5 policies . section 6 where it says commissioners shall not communicateoutside of a public meeting with the mayor or any

member of the legislative for the representatives regarding redistricting matters . and commissioners shall publicly disclose all subsequent communications regarding redistricting within members of interest groups regarding redistricting outside the public meetings that could all electronic communications so i think it's a great suggestion to continue this to another meeting and create some ofthese bylaws that help us with transparency in terms of communication thatmight not be happening . thank you for your time and i appreciate . >> thank you for your comments, could we get the next caller please . >> david phil bell. it's getting lateand i'm getting a bit loopy so i may be less coherent than usual , not sure if that will be noticeabl . i think you got the change in article 6, section 1 to include the first monday at 6 pm . and in article 6 section 2 i'm just wondering why five days

advance notice is contemplated, that's more than required in the brown act of sunshine ordinance and that may prove difficult for scheduling, particularly with special meetings etc. for the final task force meeting, you may choose to relegate approval of the minutes to the chair. we did that 10 years ago. i don't think that requires any change to the bylaws but i'm just foreshadowing that.in article 6, section 6 i would replace the word determination with determining that. i think it reads a better. you talked about article 6, section 7 and article 7 i would add in the posting after circulating and 10 years ago we

used consensus for tentative changes but we took actual votes on formal motions and jen made a great point about ex parte communications posting all the medications and my final comment, if you do have meetings on friday i would start themat 10 am or 2 pm and avoid friday evenings . i'll leave it at that for the moment. >> clerk: i'm hearing we have nofurther colors in the queue , mister chair. >> very good. we don't have emotion on the floor do we? >> offered a number of motions. it would be to close public comment. >> sorry, publiccomment is closed at this time . let's go back to this the motions that were on the floor when we went into public comment . >> before we went into public, there wasn't motion offered by

member hernandez gill to strike reference to regular meetings in article 6 section1, meetings times and locations . and then after that, there was also a motion in regard to attendance which i heard, again from member hernandez gill and i do not yet have recorded a second on that motion . that motion on attendance, i actually would need a little bit of additional clarifying information about whether it was to strike the word consecutive or whether it was to remove a portion of the followingparagraph , i'msorry. i do not have the entire details . >> lets move to declare. we had a first motion we had. was which was the first one that we had. >> the first was offered by

member pierce. that was in regards to the question of scheduling regular meetings as regular meetings is the language used in draft bylaws and is found in article 6 meetings section 1. i believe it was to strike the word regular and thenthere was further discussion . >> as i remember. so we are prepared for a voteon that motion . if there's nofurther discussion . >> there might be further discussion. >> i just lost one of my screens. i can't see this queue rightnow . >> mister lee. >> thank you mister chair. point of clarification. when we are, this is forarticle

6 , section 7. where it reads the clerk shall maintain a record of attendance and report any instances of the three consecutive absences of a member from regular meetings to the member supporting authority, any task force member mrs. three regular meetings etc. which regular are we striking? >> a motion that i heard previously as offered by member hernandez was not to section 7 but was instead to article 6 section 1 unless iam mistaken . >> i can clarify it was in reference to action seven and we heard that it went above and beyond what the ordinance said. therefore i abandoned that and focus exclusively on removing the consecutive, three consecutive absences so what

i'm proposing, the motion i'm making is changing that first sentence in the second paragraph of that section to read the clerk shall maintain a record ofattendance and shall report all absences to the members appointing authority . >> thank you for that clarification . i did not know youhad withdrawn your previous motion . that would have been the trigger language i waslooking for and i thank you very much . if i understand correctly now you are withdrawing your offering of that first motion and making instead the second motion that you just readinto the record a moment ago . >> that is correct. >> member pierce second again. i thought it was an amendment. >> is there further discussion often mark. >> if you have further comments you are in the queue next. >> i wanted that clarification

that member hernandez gill just made because i thoughtit was just amended . i'm still seconding. >> sounds good, your name is in theroster next . >> was to provide that clarification. >> mister chair, there is a motion offered by member hernandez gil seconded by member pierce to make and i'm sorry, we're going to ask you one more time to redo the record in that same spot because i had myhands in several different pods hereat the same time . can you say it one more time ? >> the text after would lead the clerk shall maintain a record of attendance and support report all absences to themembers appointing authority . >> that's three consecutive

meetings. >> that would be to strike the words as wellas any instance of three consecutive absences of a member from regular meeting . . >> that motion has been made andseconded regarding that rule mister chair . i'm sorry, member lee as the vote. [roll call vote] >>. [roll call vote]

>> clerk: i do not believe abstain is ... i've never in my life encounteredand abstain vote. i will record you as abstain . >> mister carol, the task forc member must vote yes, sir no on the matter . >> clerk: thank you so much. >> you'll have to forgive me, this isbrand-new for me so i appreciate the input . >> no problem. sorry to interrupt.>> no problem. aye. >> clerk: there are nine aye's on the motion to strike the text. >> chair: thank you. next, mister chair i should mention however that was just a

motion to amend the text and the form of the draft bylaws themselves in totalfor the body . they have not yetbeen adopted . >> is there a motion? >> this is chasel lee. >> chair: do we amend the bylaws or operate withoutbylaws . >> moved to adopt the bylaws as amended. >> mister hernandez gill seconds. the comment period. >> ic member pierce has her namein the roster . >> i need clarification at this point. will we have the opportunity to amend anything that's discussed inside just thisparticular motion ?cause we have a lot

of conversations and suggestions aboutthe bylaws . during this period on the agenda. so if we're not going to relax, i made a motion to discuss section 3 from article 6. and we did not really discuss it. >> what is section 3. >> it's about voting. are we going to continue to have our simple majority? are we going to do a simple majority or take consensus ? and mine wasn't the only one. >> i thought that was settled through the cityattorney, maybe i misunderstood him on the issue .

is the city attorney? >> i'm still here. i don't believe we took that topic up.if the task force wishes to take it up it certainly can do so. it is my recollection however that the bylaws for the 2011 when he 12 iteration of the task force did not have unanimous vote requirement in the bylaws . but by amendment however is when it came down to changing district alignment and adapting a filethat there was a substantial effort to make as many of these boats as possible . i think it was more a matter of practice as required by the thought bylaws itself . >> but there's a difference between a unanimousrequirements and an attempt for unanimous requirements . >> i'm sorry. >> there's a difference between unanimous requirements and an

attempt for unanimous vote. that if you don't get the unanimous vote the majority of votes still wins is my point. >> obviously that's the case. i'msaying is that howwe want to leave it and i would like to your from people other than myself on the issue . which is why i made the motion . >> there are further names in the roster . member hernandez. >> i believe it is very important that we define this question of majority. if it's just a simple majority then we ought to say it, if we're talking about the super majority that we talked to say thatand if there are certain instances , for example the final redistrictinglines that should require a consensus , it should be said.

i also believe that we need to discuss or add to a future agenda this question of communications which i believe is incredibly important. but what i do i want to emphasize there is the possibility for amendments as it stands although this question of majority could be defined right now and hopefully it will not be a verydifficult question . >> is there anyone else. >> there is, mister jeremy lee followed by member cooper . >> i want to say that our job is to draw lines. and there is you know, we can't say like the line here, the line is going to be here. like, all these lines are very fluid. at the end of the day we are agreeing to the entire map . so you know, my feeling is that

the idea that a five member group will decide very crucial things, i honestly don't think it will come up very often. we will all have to agree to the final map that is presented at the end of the day by april 15. that is my feeling, thank you. >> clerk: member pierce is next inthe queue . >> i actually can withdraw and come back. i have another motion i would liketo make on amending the bylaws . >> clerk: but you don't want to make it right now? >> do we want to go forward with that or are we still getting feedback on the originaldiscussion ? do we want to skip over that or

do we want to continue this discussion ? >> chair: it was your lead in the discussion. >> that's why i'm saying i'm withdrawing my hand right now in thediscussion . i thought this discussion was going to be oversooner . >> chair: i did to . >> chair: i'm sorry. >> i don't think that there's necessarily a semantics ambiguity. i think majority is simple majority unlessotherwise stated . i don't think weneed to change it from that perspective . i still here maybe the stage and i don't know to whatextent we will be able to amend the

bylaws later on . we know exactly whether or not we will want to take in a unanimousarm majority decision . into the bylaws so i think keeping it open for now and coming to consensus. maybe at some later point i think once we get a better understanding ofhow this process will look . maybe that will be the best. >> if it may be helpful mister chair just to mention that the bylaws as an action item that we can adopt today is an action item that can appear on later future agenda of the redistricting task force. it requires an additional noticing. it has to be noticed that there's going to be a potential amendment to bylaws 10 days in advance. but we accommodated it in this

case in order to get back on our agenda andwe can accommodate it again in the future if there's an appetite for the task force to make later changes . >> i appreciate the suggestion. and i believe we can move forward with adopting the bylaws and folks that want to make amendments as we move forward can do so through the proper process i really think we need to get something done here. >> mister chair, member pierce is in the roster. >> member pierce. >> moving away from that one, i do make a motion at this time that we consider at our next meeting amending since we're going to adopt now or pay the way for bylaws now and discussing a medications section to this bylaw. as was suggested.

that's my motion. no second so that's my