someone who has worked in public health and the social services system for about 10 years now, i've seen gaps in care when clients enter and exit the justice system. i found that our partnership has really allowed for us to provide continuity of care and vastly improve the outcomes for justice involved groups who fall into the cracks. this project further addresses the gaps in care. specifically what we see a lot is the travesty that occurs when folks are sitting in jail for months and months, waiting for some sort of placement or any kind of plan, and oftentimes in the middle of the night without a way to connect them to care. i just wanted to say i really, really believe in this partnership with a.p. d.. thank you. >> clerk: we'll take the

next caller. >> caller: i am a supervisor with also the citywide probation team. i'm kind of also reiterating what wes said. i've been with the team for coming on four years. and in terms of community mental health, i feel like the partnership with a.p.d. has been really critical in providing services to clients who generally fall through the cracks. so these are clients who have very complicated needs, and are usually dually or triply diagnosed. and normally the safety net is present in jail, and we don't want that to be the case. and so for services to expand and our partnership with a.p.d. to move forward, and to have something like housing is particularly helpful because that is an avenue in which we have really

understand clients. ' needsand triage services in a better way. and i think that is something that is lacking in san francisco, that a.p.d. and citywide are able to do really well together. >> clerk: great. thank you for your call. we'll take the next caller. hello, caller, you have two minutes. >> caller: can you hear me? >> clerk: yes. have you two minutes. >> caller: thank you so much. my name a tracy watson, and i am a native of san francisco and a director of circle women's support network here in san francisco. and i wanted to touch base on just the visualality of the homeless here in san

francisco and individuals that are trying to get clean. and i've actually worked here in the city with the shelter in place hotels, and i've seen a lot that has been going on with inside the sip hotels. and just -- i think the reason why individuals are on the streets and why, you know, drug use is so visible, is due to, you know, the protocol with individuals that are trying to get clean. the city is actually providing them with (indiscernable) with the sip hotels, but working with the individuals in harm reduction, they're not using as much, but they are still using.

and we're actually giving them things to kill themselves. and i know i didn't get clean that way. i went through a treatment here in san francisco, and we weren't allowed to use even a little bit. and i didn't think that we the harm reduction model that you guys are practicing them, that we're helping them move forward. we're giving them what they need to be homeless, which is you're providing them with it. a lot of them have gotten really comfortable with living in the tents and sleeping there at these shelter-in-place sites, and not following up on the housing plan because we're giving them all

these devices to stay in their addiction. so i just wanted to share that, my thoughts, with you all. and even the women that come through the program -- >> clerk: thank you. sorry to interrupt, tracy, your two minutes is up. >> caller: thank you so much. apologize. [audio has a horrible echo] >> caller: are you there? >> clerk: yes. >> caller: i came through the system six years ago, and i've been justice involved, i have run a residential center, i have been a case manager, and now i run a national non-profit. what a.p.d. does in franchise is crucial. they set up a center of a web of delivering services in rapid time for crisis management. i work nationally with new york, chicago, atlanta, kansas city, los angeles,

and a.p.d. has a unique role and delivers it so much more affectively than anywhere else we work. we do have a program at san francisco probation, and we get down at crisis level management and get involved in people's lives. they deliver the services. they save line budget items. we save trips to jail. we save sending people down rabbit holes for services that don't really help them. a.p.d. is crucial in this. they have created community partnerships and team building in between n.g.o.s, and they've also involved addressing the mental health concerns in an addiction population and street culture faces, and they've made real intervention in people's lives. i, myself, am a success story. i know other success stories that have come through, and they involve the people that really know what is going on, and to get down there and provide the support needed to help people make changes and lasting

decisions in their life moving forward that leads to happiness. it leads to a better life. it leads to employment. it puts them back in school. so in short, for me, a.p.d. is doing the best job nationwide of probably 14 major urban cities that i work with. and i think they deserve every bit of backing you can give them because they're successful at what they do. they get involved and they make a difference. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. next caller. hello, caller, you have two minutes. >> caller: is that me? >> clerk: yes, that is you. >> caller: okay. good morning. this is laurie guzman, and i am the senior director of the building (indiscernable)

coalition. i think i was here sharing some concerns about a navigation center that is highly connected to law enforcement. and hearing the presentation, i still share some of the concerns that commissioner deantonio shared how to assure with this model, a very low threshold entry for folks who are coming from incarceration, to make sure that tenants, in particular around people who relapse, not actually being exited from the program. and what is missing, and i think it is critically important given our overdose deaths in particular in black and brown communities, is that this program must assure overdose prevention and intervention to make sure our communities stay safe, and also that we are housing people who use drugs because housing first is actually a way to guarantee that people with a history of being

criminalized for their drug use are actually staying in temporary or transitional housing and actually entering into housing. the reentry populations of those who have been incarcerated is the one with the least amount of placement in the state of california, and also in san francisco. so whatever we do for the successful navigation center has to really abide by the tenants. they should not terminate any clients still dealing with addiction, and must include medicine and treatments to be successful. thank you very much. >> clerk: thank you, caller. we'll take the next caller. hello, caller, you have two minutes. >> caller: good morning. my name is adrian moldenado. i'm a recovering heroin addict, 17 years using and almost 22 years clean, and

an emerging clinical therapist. the partners -- [audio breaking up] >> it builds a certain level of solidarity with the community. and it delves into the community understanding. i think that is really important. creating these structures allows the community to have a voice and to be able to influence policy. i think my second concern is, what i noticed is professionalization process, where there are many professionals, and i'll be frank, most of you on the board are people of privilege, whether it is race, class, education, and it comes across to a degree as this professionalized class,

and that they know better. and when communities like positive direction and westside clinic and have a cultural understanding of what the community is longing for and believes in offer approaches to a crisis that is affecting our communities at a very extensive level, it compares to the professional class who always tell us they know better. they tell us that saying they want to help us. the low threshold process of keeping us dependent on the state and basically constantly in the system, to me is a problem. >> clerk: thank you. hello, caller, you have two minutes. >> caller: yes, is that me? >> clerk: that's you. thank you. >> caller: thanks a lot. i want to thank the advisory committee for allowing us to make public comment. as a bay view community member, i know the need for community-centric

programs. the community being served are not just our friends and family, but they are also mothers, fathers, and kids. it is devastating seeing our family and community members suffering from drug addiction, and the terrible growth of mental health in our community. i also know that the committee talked about city ordinance, but we need to have different approaches to services. a lot of different services, some people need to take time and really be -- tk dynamic about the different approaches that we can use to help our community members. the biggest issue i have is we don't want to continue to make people comfortable in this unhealthy lifestyle. i also believe that a.p.d. has also come up with solutions to help the

problem. i know steve adomi, and a lot of the community organizations that he worked with and collaborating with have done an excellent job in trying to think dynamically, and truly taking time to try to understand the community. we can all look at different statistics of what worked and didn't work, but we need to give the community enough dynamic treatment programs so they can see what works for them, or, hey, this stabilization may give me a little more structure to succeed and get closer becoming more stabilized in their mental health, or being more stabilized in their drug addiction. with that, i want to thank the advisory committee forgiving me a chance to speak today. thank you. bye-bye. >> clerk: thank you so much. i'll take the next caller. hello, caller, you have two minutes. >> caller: hi. this is nick salenzaro. i'm a probation officer

and san francisco, and i'm president of our union here in san francisco, both in juvenile and adult. basically, i just wanted to say that i've been working in the probation field for more than 20 years. based on my experience, our department has changed for the better, i think. and we are really in the business of helping out people, working with the community. community partnership is very important for us. and i speak on behalf of our members as well. i was a court officer in c.j. c., the community justice center at folk street. giving people housing and effective programming and counseling and support is really, really affective. i think it really changed people's lives. that's all i want to say, and thank you very much. >> clerk: thank you, caller. i'll take the next caller. hello, caller, you have

two minutes. >> caller: morning. my name is christine, and i am a number of the s.f. jail coalition. i just wanted to uplift a couple of things today. they're pretty concerning to me, including, you know, just the fact that cell phone use and more restrictions are even up for a debate. for those of us who have been a part of these conversations and been, you know, in the community, we know that having support systems and families and loved ones are really critical to folks coming home. and any restrictions around communication really undermine that. and that could also impact people's abilities to look for a job and be able to work. similarly, restrictions on movement are, honestly, pretty paternalistic, and kind of extend the

incarceration approach. i have to say that these debates don't give me a lot of confidence in the plan. the department is an extension of our en incarceration system. the services mentioned today are really important, and i just urge the committee to using these funds towards a real navigation center where people can come and go freely, have access to services, can bring partners, pets, their support system, property, a place where people can rest and, again, it didn't put them at risk of more incarceration when they're trying to heal. >> clerk: thank you, caller. i'll take the next caller. you have two minutes. >> caller: my name is nellie cooperson, and i

helped work very closely with director steve adomi and cedric and craig. and they truly understand what san francisco needs right now. i feel like a lot of people lack the knowledge that they have. they have so much knowledge of what the community truly needs, and what they say has been working. and to say that it is not working and that certain things don't fit for the way they approach it, is false. clearly it is working. and we should not be ignoring them, and they deserve everything they have been working for. and that is all i want to say, and that they are changing lives, and i hope they continue changing lives. thank you. >> clerk: great. thank you for your call. i'll take the next caller. >> secretary holm, i know we have more folks in line and we'll have to reduce it to one minute.

>> clerk: currently we have three more people in the queue. i'll let them know to reduce it to one minute. and if additional callers come up, i'll let you know. hello, caller. you have one minute. >> caller: my name is georgia jackson. i'm a san francisco native. and i'm also a current san francisco housing provider, and third street and clinic is running san francisco's first transitional aids navigation center here. as a provider, we need a wide variety of services, a diverse portfolio of housing options. that can really make a difference in people's lives. and when i look at this, i see that this is community-led and funded by a.p.d.. i visited this site and other a.p.d. sites, and they're beautiful, equitable, humane, and they help restore dignity

in the lives of people who really want to rebuild their lives. i love seeing the emphasis on mental health. i behalf of third street clinic, we strongly support the billie halladay center, and we support letting community-based organizations run this process because they know what works best for this population. >> clerk: thank you. i'll take the next caller. you have one minder. minute. >> caller: my name is alex wild, and i'm the director of the citywide probation team. we oversee the day to day operations at the one-stop reentry center. with the support of reentry, we have builder built what is the first of its kind on how to support individuals in the criminal justice system.

they suffer serious mental conditions, and they are basically underserved in all areas. the smorgasbord has been made possible by the strong alliance we have as they understand our shared clients' needs, and they provide case management and a therapeutic community, as well as other leaders, like positive directions, for residential services. a.p.d. understood they needed to partner if their clients were going to overcome the many obstacles. our treatment team has provided clinical treatments for probation, and clients with simple mindfulness interventions, on how to manage complex trauma. during covid, they served 2300 clients, case managed 611 clients, and provided

medication services to 112 clients. i'm glad to collaborate with such a caring organization, which promotes hiring those with criminal and clinical -- >> clerk: your time is up. hello, caller, you have one minute. >> caller: good morning, everyone. i appreciate the opportunity to have input into this conversation. my name is earl sims, and i'm the (indiscernable). and i'm also a fellowship on the safety and justice challenge and overuse of jails. most of my points have been made, and i fully support this. i had the opportunity to tour some of the sites, and the fact that we're being innovative in challenging the status quo, allowing the peers

and the community to have the community and peers' perspective in designing treatment for the individuals who actually experience the trauma of the system, after the trauma that led them to the system, right? so i think it is really important to have an array of choices to fill the gaps. and having a landing spot is essential. and if that landing spot provides a resource-rich place of staying, you can provide safety. so it is something that i wanted to go back to, where adult probation lands between -- >> clerk: sorry to interrupt. your one minutes is up. chair, it is currently 11:30. we have one additional caller on the line. would you like to take this call? >> chair: yes. this would be the last caller. is that correct? >> clerk: yes, as of right now.

hello, caller, you have one minute. >> caller: hello, first of all, thank you for giving me the opportunity because i know we're out of time. a lot of funders look at all of the population, lgbtq, youth, pregnant folks, the elderly, h.i.v., mental health, but when we look at the actual population, that population includes all of these populations. so this makes so much sense for us to focus on this reoccurring population. if i would have had some of these opportunities, maybe i would have been there for nine years or two years or three years. so let's get together on this, make some agreements, and look at,, i don't care how many people we actually serve. if it is one person a year -- hl be a lot more than that, but that means a lot to that person. you have changed lives for

so many people, and you give him or her a reason not to reoffend. thank you for the opportunity, and let me turn this back over to you all. >> clerk: thank you so much. there are no additional callers. >> chair: okay. thank you so much, secretary. and public comment is now closed. and at this time, i know that we are at time. so we are going to table item 3 for future agenda items. colleagues, is there a motion to adjourn? >> can i just clarify, chanel, and make a comment on where we're at with this? i think there is a lot of confusion in the public and there are a lot of people on the calls. >> chair: quickly. >> okay. so i think there is a lot of confusion in the community about what we were doing today.

the our city, our home oversight committee fund has an assortment of different categories. one is substance abuse treatment, 25% or more. the shelter category is very small. it is only 10%. we received a proposal for a navigation center that then shifted to what looked like a treatment center. the funding itself was not in jeopardy. people, i think, were being told that the funding was in jeopardy, or this was some kind of thing on -- so i think that there is some confusion around that. what we basically were talking about today is what we originally recommended and what came back is a very different proposal that didn't fit in the shelter category. so i just want to be clear about that because i think people think there is something happening that there is not. but that is basically what's going on here. >> chair: thank you so much, member friedenbach for that. we have a motion to adjourn by vice chair

deantonio. is there a second? >> second. >> chair: seconded by member andrews. we'll do a roll call. [roll call taken] >> chair: thank you. everyone. we are now adjourned at 11:35:00 a.m. have a good day, everyone. >> thank you.

>> clerk: -- held on october 4, 2021. the meeting is being called to order at 4:35 p.m. members of the public who will be calling in, the number is 415-655-0001. the access code is 2480-980-2106. press pound and then pound again to be added to the line. when you're connected, you'll hear the meeting discussions, but you'll be muted and in listening mode only. when your item comes up, dial star, three to be added to the speaker line. if you dial star, three before

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business commission is the best place to get answers about doing business in san francisco during the local emergency. if you need assistance with small business matters, particularly at this time, you can find us on-line or via phone, and always, our services are free of charge. please note, the office of small business and personal hours have changed to tuesday through thursday, 9:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. we will be updating the slide to reflect these changes. office staff are still available by phone and e-mail five days a week. before this meeting is called, i'd like to thank sfgovtv and maria pena for assisting with the public comment line today,

and with that said, please call item 1. >> clerk: item 1, call to order and roll call. [roll call] >> clerk: vice president, you have a quorum. >> thank you. i will now read the ramaytush ohlone land acknowledgement. the san francisco small business commission and office of small business staff acknowledges that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of

this land, and in accordance with their tradition, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost, nor forgotten their responsibility as the caretakers of this land. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by establishing their sovereign rights as first people. please call item 2. >> clerk: item 2, board of supervisors ordinance, file 21808, planning code, requirements for laundromats and on-site laundry services. this is a discussion and potential action item. the commission will discuss and may vote on possible recommendations regarding ordinance file 210808

[indiscernible] and to prohibit accessory dwelling units that reduce on-site laundry services unless replaced, affirming the planning department's determination under ceqa, and making findings of consistency with the general plan, and the eight priority policies of planning code section 101.1 and findings of public necessarily, convenience, and welfare under planning code section 302. and today, we have lee hefner from supervisor peskin. >> and you have the floor. >> thank you so much, commission, and commissioner zouzounis for taking up this legislation today. this legislation, on its surface, i think is a fairly straightforward tool designed to prevent the loss of

laundromats in san francisco, and i just, by way of background, how we got to this point, our office, supervisor peskin's office, has been looking into the issue of laundromat closures for a couple of years now, and this was just based on the information that we were getting periodically that this or that laundromat or dry cleaner was closing down. it was our intention to look at certain use types under the planning code that are really community serving businesses, kind of backbones of the communities that they serve. interestingly, when an incident came up last october, at the address 998 filbert, an owner had proposed to displace a

laundromat called tons of bubbles on russian hill. commissioner deland chan says laundromats are vital to the community, and i think there are a lot of things that are overlooked in the conversation, but things like your hand ware stores, like your grocery store, like your laundromat, like your locksmith, that are vital for everyday life serve a very valuable purpose in district three and across san francisco, as well. but we were looking at these businesses, and in the course of doing so, and certainly, when our research was intensified during the tons of bubbles incident last year, we started researching what they track, and interestingly, our

planning department doesn't track the number of uses over time. d.b.i. doesn't track this, either. we're in conversation to come up with new tools so we can better track the numbes and different use types in our community. we actually got that information from sfpuc, and what we found in san francisco, in the past seven years, the number has decreased from nearly 300 -- 288 -- laundromats to just 200, and i think that that caused us to reinforce and understand what's going on here. the legislation before you seeks to introduce this as an

ordinance issue. probably to no one's surprise, they tend to concentrate in higher density neighborhoods. they tend to be higher concentrations of lower income people. we found that laundromats disproportionately serve census tracts with more diverse racial and ethnic populations, so everything, everything that we were learning about laundromats is this is a use that we should step in to save, and again, that doing so is going to help benefit lower income communities, more racially diverse communities, and certainly, the senior communities. when it was about tons of bubbles, we were inundated with dozens and dozens and dozens of e-mails, probably over 100 people said even if tons of

bubbles closes, the next laundromat is a block over, but i'm not going to be able to do that because it's up a streep hill. in this instance, i think the c.u. was designed to be a disincentive, and to the extent that real estate speculation is driving some of these laundromats to closure, that we are apprehending that speculation before the laundromat closes because then the property owner is going -- and landlord is going to know that they will need to make it through another public hearing before replacing that use. so it's -- and we have also put a three-year timeline on it. thank you, commission secretary

birnbach, for noting in your tool that these were passed for night time entertainment use, so we're kind of appropriating that tool for use here. i actually believe the a.d.u. component of this was just addressed in legislation put forward by supervisor mandelman, who is noting this problem from a different point of view, so this might be redundant at this point. but as authors of san francisco's a.d.u. ordinance in 2016, i think we need to make sure that we take note of some of the counter placements that displace laundromats or not. so that's my short recital,

probably not that short. we're invested in this project. we intend to use the next month or so to get the word out. we're working on a public media campaign to bolster the public awareness for community necessity small businesses. looking forward to bringing this to the planning commission and thereafter to the board of supervisors. with that, i will turn it back over to you, and thank you for the opportunity to bring this legislation. >> thank you, lee, and thank you so much to the supervisor's office for working on this. i will start with commissioner adams, if you would like to start the discussion, go ahead. >> yeah. first off, mr. hepner, thank

you. this is something that's been in my mind for a while, and i am just so grateful that supervisor peskin is doing this. i'm all for a.d.u. units, but i live in the castro up on lower twin peaks. we've lost -- not only have we lost our laundromats up here, we've lost our dry cleaners, where you can actually do the wash and fold. there was three of them within walking distance. they're all gone. and i do know, like, the big one that we recently lost about 1.5 years ago, which was on noe and 22, you know, this may be the lower twin peaks, half of my neighborhood, half of the

people on this street do not have washers and dryers in their unit. we used to be able to go right down at market and hattie, and it's been gone. it's been gone for a few years. and the one at 18 and hollywood, it's gone. so people in this neighborhood, we have to go to sanchez, and if that closes, we may have to go over to kolb alley. so i support this, and when i read this, i thought to myself, someone got it, so thank you, thank you, thank you. >> thank you. commissioner hui? >> yeah, thank you very much for bringing this to my attention, and yeah,

definitely, this is something that i -- you know, in our communities, we recognize these are really important pieces of what, like, makes living in a walkable city walkable and liveable. so i had a couple of questions. one is what are some of the reasons, i guess maybe, like, the top, you know, reasons for the closures of the laundromats besides the real estate speculation? >> honestly, it's a great question, commissioner hui, and it's one that we hope to understand. i think part of the provocation of this legislation and part of the three-year timeline, too, is to, you know, urge the planning department to dive deep into that. there is a question whether the

c.u. is the best way to preserve that and is there other measures to do so. we don't fully understand why so many laundromats are closing down. are they profitable businesses? i talked to several businesses. tons of bubbles has several laundromats across the city. their owner has been enthusiastic about this, and everyone time we have to raise money -- there's a lot of questions that i think we have to about why laundromats are closing down, and that's where the speculation piece comes in.

i do know that sfgov and the p.u.c. has a voucher based program for coin-op laundries which allows -- i think it's designed to allow people to have. >> -- but i think your question is -- is really one that we're also trying to ask. why are we seeing this crisis level of closure of laundromats. so i hope to be able to report back to you in a couple of

years with a little more insight. >> yeah. i think that's -- you know, this is a question that we can ask about a lot of our community serving small businesses, right? like, what is causing closure. and i think what you said and specifically to -- might not be as possible as competing businesses, right? it's, like, really key to some of this is, like, to function in an everyday capacity is just, like, not that -- you know, it's -- it doesn't generate the revenues that are [indiscernible] doing business [indiscernible] and are costing us. and one of the things that i think about is if we are trying to preserve these businesses, which it sounds like i love how much time you've put in to this

presentation, but, like, is there a way that we can roll that into our -- almost, like, our vocational training programs because the city already offers many vocational and small business training programs? you -- this is a realistic plan so people can learn -- teaching them how to grow a very specific business. that seems almost easier than teaching someone to grow a

business in general. we could really help people build businesses here in san francisco with the city's help which would really turn that narrative of a small business, like, having the toughest time -- like, you know we have this reputation of building all these barriers. wouldn't it be great if we actually were able to, like, grow businesses here, so yeah. i think there are tons of possibilities with this, and i really appreciate it. and also, i'm happy to talk

more about it afterwards or, you know, think through things, too, so i'm here. thank you so much, lee. >> i love that idea. thank you, commissioner. >> so i don't see any other commissioner questions -- >> i'll just say -- sorry. >> i think we've got commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> can you hear me? >> yeah, go ahead. >> yeah, i just wanted to add, thank you, lee, for the presentation, and it's funny that you're bringing up this because some of the c.b.o.s in the mission, we're actually coming up with ways to incorporate laundromats into our mixed use buildings because from a decade ago, 180, there's only 80 left in the city. so mission housing, meta, we're trying to incorporate

laundromats into these new buildings and old buildings that we acquire because it's definitely a service that our community needs. >> thank you, commissioner. actually, meta, i talked to some folks over there, and they were really instrumental in supporting us on this. >> commissioner adams, did you have something else to add? >> i'm okay. i just do know for a fact that coin laundromats are cash cows. you have maintenance, and i have seen the people who own these places and run them do very, very well, and to answer commissioner hui's issue, i

know two of them that closed down in this area because the landlord just didn't renew their leases, and that was an issue. and one of the places is sitting empty still, so, you know, that -- and that's part of the problem right now. they're speculating, but the business is actually a very good business. >> thank you. >> i'll just say that i agree with everything that's been said. i think our commission and particularly our racial equity committee is really looking to focus on businesses that serve low-income communities and kind of refocus. the pandemic made us just reaction to whoever was the

loudest. and now, we're seeing as the dust settles, a lot of the equity and minority serving businesses were left out. so please let us know how we can support any amplification of community serving businesses and their needs. that's something we want to focus on. laundromats are a prime example of that, and i think we're all in full support. a couple questions that i had. one is i think we've seen a couple of attempts at a mixed-use model of the laundromat and another business? is there anything in the code that maybe, you know, is preventing that from being more of a common common business

model that might increase the solvency of this business type in the city or is it already addressed from your research and the planning code? that was one question i had, and then, a second question i had on the legislation, and i think in section 202. -- well, basically, when it says guidance for the commission, is it referencing, like, the planning commission might have discretion on whether they make it that a c.u. would have to come after it because i saw it, like, the questions. is the business community serving? is it an amended type of laundry model, so my question is, does that mean that there's a pathway for if a business comes in, that it may not have

to deal with a c.u. after a closure? >> so i can try to take those in order. as to your first question, i'm familiar with those, as well. i mean, i think the one that everybody loves is brain wash which was a laundromat and cafe. but even the one, commissioner adams, down the block from you, i think was wash and spin, but it's got the cafe or the florist in front. >> sit and spin. >> and i think there was one maybe to have a bar concept at one point. but i think that that is -- inasmuch as a laundromat is a principally permitted use, adding another principally permitted use, whether that's a cafe or something else, i think

that the code does allow for that, probably within certain boundaries. like, the boundaries that you're not going to have an adult use accessory use to a laundromat, though maybe somebody should think outside the box there, too. but i think that should be allowed, and the code does allow that flexibility that that is allowed, and that makes the case. as to your second question -- oh, the discretion that the commission has. so your proposal, if a laundromat goes out of business, any subsequent business that is not a laundromat would be routed through the community business processing program, which means that the business operator would be entitled to a hearing within 90 days of their application, and as far as i have been able to tell, the city has been really good at adhering to that 90 daytime

line. and part of the process -- part of the project there is to -- let's not eliminate the process, but let's eliminate the longer process at the same time. what i envision is that if a laundromat closes down, the commission has the right to ask questions why it closed down and was there a diligent search for a replacement operator for that community serving business, and for the community to have an opportunity to be able to come out, too, and say, that was my laundromat. i don't know what to do. i don't have in-building

laundry, and to really make the case that hey, maybe the building owner needs to find a proprietor that will keep it as a laundromat and it can continue serving the community, and look at the next business in terms of how it's going to serve the community in that capacity. >> okay. thank you. in our ability to put landlords of existing laundromats on notice about this legislation, and being a disincentive for eviction or whatnot, are we able to send, like, targeted letters? like, how does that work? >> you know, part of the project that i'm hoping our interns can pull together in the next few weeks involves printing out fliers that we can

go and walk around and deliver to laundromats, so hand delivering notices to those businesses. i think in the same breath offering opportunities for patrons of these businesses to learn more about the legislation and to add their voices of support to the legislation, but certainly, there is a notice component of that. and i think it is only appropriate that some people have a press push out here or go the extra mile and alert, you know, commercial realtors to this, though they tend to be pretty hawkish when it comes to legislation moving through the process. i think our best bet at this stage of the legislative process is to do the direct leaflet delivery to the laundromats, and that's what

we'd like to see. >> i love it. >> yeah. >> there's not any c.u.s currently related to a relocation of a laundromat, right? >> no. >> uh-huh. okay. so i'm just trying to think -- you know, our commission, one of our concerns, which you heard, is if a laund row mad needs -- if a laundromat needs to relocate or move through no fault of its own, is there a way to make sure that a new laund row mass doesn't have to come in and deal with an intended purpose like a c.u. >> if there's a laundromat replacing a laundromat or dry cleaner, there's no c.u.

i think your question is what if the laund row mad relocated consensually or if there's a parting of ways? i think when you cast any net for tuna, you're going to get a dolphin in there, and that's an unfortunate elegant way of how we legislate around anything. we'd like to allow for some of that vetting to be heard, but i think more often, what we're going to find, given the precipitous decline of laundromats, this is the canary in the coal mine. every once in a while, i'm sure we're going to find an owner of a laundromat who doesn't want to operate anymore.

there's a woman in my neighborhood who wants me to operate her laundromat because she knows i love them so much. >> from the case studies of lost laundromats that you've seen thus far, there's no new small businesses going in there; it's more like an entire unit, you know, new use, and usually, a developer or something, right? so this is the trend that you've identified and closures that you've studied? >> right. and i hate to say it, but one of my favorite bars is in a place that was a former laundromat. so that's what we're seeing, and addressing that is going to be complicated, but this

scratches the surface and allows us the time we need to learn a lot more. >> okay. i guess i'm just trying to understand if this is based on data or a trend or if this is going to help us get data because it seems that we're putting in a request for prior trends, and we want to get the data. >> about one in 11 laundromats have closed in the last seven years. there is nothing in this legislation itself that requires departments to study why this is happening. that is going to have to be someone's torch to carry, and we will have put in a three-year stopgap measure where every once in a while, one of these is going to come

to the commission and we're going to be able to use this for understanding what goes on holistically, and i hope this is catalyzing some attention paid to the problem and a deeper study why this is happening in the first place. >> okay. i think that helps me understand the problem a little bit better. director dick-endrizzi, did you have anything you wanted to say? >> i believe commissioner adams was before me -- oh, he already spoke. so a couple of things to maybe give some consideration to so maybe help gather some of that data? home s.f. is the home equity

density bonus program, and when they're demolishing or doing extensive development on a property, that they notify oewd if they're going to be displacing a small business. so a thought is that for property owners who are choosing not to renew a lease, that there's a requirement to notify planning and oewd? and then -- and then, in reference to some of your comments, commissioner hui, is -- and also commissioner adams, if -- if, you know, these -- if laundromats [indiscernible] i think, you know -- this isn't -- this isn't something is necessarily

put into the legislation, but you might want to give consideration to add as additional comments when carry moves forward, your recommendation that what may be challenging is the start-up costs to open or relocate if a property owner is not going to renew a lease, then to relocate a laundromat, so the cost of equipment, you know, perhaps in parallel at least from an equity perspective, these are very important businesses to retain? in parallel, supervisor peskin is introducing a land use solution, but in parallel, there needs to be some economic solutions, as well. and maybe the three years this

program is in place, you may want to recommend that a complimentary sort of program -- like, commissioner hui, you identified that let's take a look at these businesses, but we may want to partner support for having these businesses get open, right, or relocate. so those are just some thoughts. >> i mean, the coin shortage is the one that's kind of open in the room, too. i don't know what the banks are giving the laundromats, so i don't know if that seems a little -- like, i don't know

how much the city can solve for that economic barrier, but that sounds like one of them. if there's not any other comments, i'll call for public comment, and if you want to hangout, lee, that would be great. sfgov, can you see if there are any callers on the line? >> we have no public callers on the line. >> seeing no callers on the line, public comment is closed. commissioners, do we have any action? >> i would definitely make a motion to support this piece of legislation. like lee was saying, there's kind of an urgency with this because you're seeing lots of them close. there's a couple of them i know in this area that are going to be closing probably in the next

six months, so this is something i really would like to see get approved, so i would motion to approve this. >> we have a motion. is there a second? >> i'll second. >> clerk: okay. seconded by commissioner hui, so motion to support. i will read the roll. [roll call] >> i know this is probably not right, but if we wanted to make the recommendation that director dick-endrizzi made?

>> yes. you can make the legislation and then come back and say we want to add these supporting comments to the letter that we send forward to the board of supervisors, so there's two ways that you can address it. but commissioner adams, if you do want to include in your motion kind of the -- you know, the -- >> yeah, i appreciate your comments. i didn't know if we could do that, since we are in the middle of taking votes, we can do that. >> you can rescind your motion -- >> well, nobody else has voted, so i will rescind my motion and reintroduce my motion with the director's comments on the relocation, and if you want to help me with that.

>> that the motion would be to support the legislation? >> yes. >> recommend the board of supervisors approve the legislation, and that these are important equity -- these are important businesses to preserve from an equity perspective and therefore need -- the city should look at an economic development program to support relocation and/or the -- supporting the establishment of new laundromats. >> thank you. you said that perfectly, so that. >> clerk: okay. there's a motion. is there a second? >> yes, i second that. >> seconded by commissioner hui. and i will read the roll call. [roll call]

>> clerk: yes. motion passes 4-0, with three commissioners absent. >> thank you, commissioners. >> thank you so much, lee. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you, lee. >> great. next item, please. >> clerk: item 3, board of supervisors ordinance, file number 211010, appropriation and deappropriatetion, office of economic and workforce development, legacy business, $400,000, fiscal year 2021-2022. this is a discussion item and action item. the commission will discuss and vote on possible recommendations regarding ordinance file 211010.

an ordinance deappropriating $400,000 previously appropriated to the office of economic and workforce development for the office of small business' legacy business historic preservation fund and reappropriating $400,000 to e.c.n. to provide a new grant program for legacy businesses in fiscal year 2021-2022. we have director dick-endrizzi and richard kurylo, office of small business. >> so i mentioned this at the last meeting in regards to -- that this funding is a result of supervisor chan, peskin, and ronen doing an add-back and

because of where the funding ended up, we are -- where the funding ended up in our line-item budget, we are requesting that the item be removed. we're doing this specifically because of the need of -- beginning to change any business assistant grant type of funding that comes to the legacy business program. so rick is going to review with you, give you an overview and provide you with some information on that, so i'm now going to turn it over to him. so rick, take it away with your powerpoint presentation.

>> [indiscernible] and reappropriating that $400,000 to a different fund to provide a new grant program for legacy businesses in fiscal year 21-22. the office of small business received a $400,000 ad-back for the legacy -- add-back for the legacy business program in the 2021-22 budget. the board of supervisors specifically recorded the add-back at $400,000 for the replenishment of the legacy business preservation fund to

be used for direct grants to qualify small businesses. so the legacy business historic preservation fund to which they were referring was added to the administrative code to proposition j in november 2015. it can only be changed by going back to the voters. the fund consists of two grant programs. the business assistance grant, for grants to legacy businesses, and rent stabilization grant, for lands that provide stabilization to tenants. the $400,000 would be needed to use for the legacy business grant because that is the only grant to the legacy businesses within the historic

preservation fund, however, there are major problems with the business assistance fund. it pays grantees for full time equivalent employees, f.t.e.s, and would only pay about $75 per f.t.e., considering $400,000 divided by about 280 applicants. number two, the grant would be too small for microand small businesses, which often need the most assistance. businesses that struggled during the pandemic are struggling with f.t.e.s. the range of grants would too large, ranging from about $75 to about $7500. it's difficult for applicants to calculate their f.t.e.s, and many applicants calculated f.t.e.s inappropriately in the

past. the solution is the development of a new grant we're calling a legacy business grant, featuring a new grant that has a simpler application and has an easier review process. under the new grant, there would be four types, prioritizing renters over property owners. the city attorney vises that the city cannot create a new grant program within the legacy business historic preservation fund, but it could create a new grant outside of that fund. the only way to make an amendment to the only appropriation ordinance after the controller certifies the

availability of fund is to reappropriate the funds. there are six sample grants demonstrating the difference between the legacy business grant and the proposed legacy business grant. rows a, c, and e in the green are all for-profit businesses renting spaces. all three would have received less than $320 through the business assistance grant, would receive over $1600 through the legacy business grant. row b in yellow is a large for-profit property owner in district ten.

they would receive 5600 through the business grant but 1200 through the legacy business grant, and rows d and f in orange are large nonprofit renters in district 3 and district 9 which would receive about $7,000 and 5700 through the business assistance grant but 823 through the legacy business grant, so it kind of gives you an idea that the legacy business grant is much more equal through all the appointees. this concludes my presentation, and i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you, richard, and commissioners, if you have any questions, you can put them in the chat. i want to say thank you,

director dick-endrizzi for knowing our business so well to be able to make these kind of material and concrete recommendations. i mean, the board, i hope they know what an asset we are because we've been able to really tell them what the best use of their money is, what the best use of their money can go towards, and how you're in the lead of this program, and you've identified how to make it more equitable, and thank you for this, and i'll let commissioner adams -- >> no, i just want to say. i want to echo what you just

said. you said it beautifully, vice president zouzounis. and everything that miriam just said, i want to say, so that was beautiful, commissioner. i'm sorry. >> so i guess can we ask how this is being received from oewd, and the supervisors who [indiscernible]? >> yes. so one, you know, the appropriation ordinance says oewd, just because our budget is under the larger oewd -- >> okay. so they're not giving us problems. >> no, no, no. so this is just how the ordinance needs to be written, and once the funds are deappropriated out of the legacy business preservation

fund, it will be reappropriated into another line item in o.s.b.s budget, so just to make sure that everyone's clear on that. i mean, so far, when we -- we did some -- when we determined -- when we found out that the funding was put into the legacy business historic preservation fund, then, we went to the city attorney and said can we create an additional program under the historic preservation fund line item, and it was determined that we could not. so then, we had to reach back out to the supervisor chan as the primary legislative sponsor for the add-back, so we reached back out, and they weren't really grasping why we needed to make the change? and so rick did a really excellent job in doing -- i

forwarded you the cover letter and the document that he -- we sent over, and they got it, right, and they understood it. so we have -- supervisor chan is actually the sponsor in this ordinance, so we have the three sponsors in the add-back supporting this change, and we met with supervisor haney's aide today, and she doesn't anticipate it being an issue. and one of the other issues is the budget and legislative analyst is recommending approval. so -- so i think we'll get the support from the supervisors. i don't think it's going to be an issue. >> great. >> and so just to be clear, your support for the recommendation is not really supporting -- your support

would be to -- is basically deappropriating the funding out of the, you know, historic preservation fund and reappropriating it into a new line item under our budget, and it's not so much a recommendation in relationship to the program, but what we're identifying is how we will be expending those funds? so it does demonstrate the benefit of taking those funds out of the historic preservation funds and putting them into a new line item, if that makes sense. >> yes, it does. so we can take action on this without any other further explanatory recommendation. got it. >> mm-hmm. >> okay. >> with that, do we have any

other commissioner comments before we take an action? >> clerk: don't forget public comment. >> oh, yeah, okay. i'll call for public comment. are there any -- sfgovtv, are there any callers on the line? >> clerk: there are no callers in the queue. . >> public comment is closed, seeing no callers on the line. commissioners, this is an action item, correct? >> yes. >> so do we have a motion? >> i motion to approve the -- the -- i don't know what this is. ordinance? >> yeah, you can just say the -- yeah, the ordinance or b.o.s. file 211010. >> that's exactly what i'd make

a motion for. >> i'll second it. >> clerk: seconded by commissioner adams. i will now read the roll. [roll call] . >> clerk: motion passes 4-0 with three members absent. >> great. item 4. >> clerk: item 4, residence aleutian making findings to allow teleconferenced meetings under california government

code section 54953-e. the commission will discuss and vote on a resolution that it has considered or reconsidered the circumstances of the state of emergency and either 2-a, that the state of emergency continues to directly impact the ability of members to meet safely in person, or 2-b, that state or local officials continue to impose or recommend measures to promote distancing. i'll be reviewing this with you. basically, based on california government code section 54953-e, that there was a state of emergency declared because of covid-19, that it prevents us from meeting in person safely, and that local officials do continue to recommend measures to promote

social distancing. and the resolution in front of you today confirms these findings, and moving forward, we'll need to reconfirm them every 30 days to continue our meeting remotely. i can put the resolution up on my screen if that would be helpful. >> i understand that, and i think it's procedural. >> yeah. >> clerk: yeah. >> so are we going to have this, like, on our agenda every month? >> clerk: yeah. every 30 days, you'll have to renew that which basically says you'll have to keep finding these findings. >> but i have a question.

is there any time when we'll be able to go back to city hall? >> yeah. not an affirmative date? there's still discussion around, you know, november being the time that the city employees return, so there is the possibility that commission meetings may return in november, but there's still no confirm date yet. >> okay. >> so if we don't have any questions, we should call for public comment. >> clerk: okay. sfgovtv, is anybody on the public, public comment? >> operator: there is no public comment. >> seeing no public comment, item -- public comment is

closed. commissioners, do we have a motion on item 4? >> i make a motion that we approve item 4, the resolution making findings to allow teleconference meetings under the california government code section 54953-e, and a motion to approve it. >> clerk: commissioner adams made the motion. is there a second? >> i second it. >> clerk: seconded by commissioner hui. i'll call the roll. [roll call] >> clerk: motion passes 4-0, with three members absent. >> great. next item, please. >> clerk: item 5, approval of draft meeting minutes.

this is an action item. >> does anyone have any comments on the minutes before i ask for public comment? okay. great. are there any commenters on the line for item 5? >> clerk: there is no public comment. >> oh, there's not. okay. public comment is closed. do we have a motion? >> i'll motion to approve the draft meeting minutes. >> okay. i'll second. >> clerk: okay. motion to approve by commissioner adams, seconded by vice president zouzounis. i'll now read the roll. [roll call]

>> clerk: motion passes, 4-0, with three commissioners absent. >> next item, please. >> clerk: item 6, general public comment. this is a discussion item which allows members of the public to comment on matters that are within the small business commission's jurisdiction but not on today's calendar and suggest new agenda items for this commission's future consideration. >> are there any public callers on the line for item 6? >> clerk: there are no callers in the queue. >> thank you. item 6, public comment is closed. next item, please. >> clerk: item 7, director's report. this is an updated report on the office of small business and the small business assistance center, department programs, policy, and

legislative matters, announcements from the mayor, and announcements regarding small business activities. this is a discussion item. >> good evening, commissioners. there are a couple items i want to just bring to your attention. commissioner dickerson had noted at our last commission meeting she's going to be part of the city administrator carmen chu's two-day summit to help inform, educate, and encourage san francisco small businesses and helping l.b.e.s with the city, and that is taking place october -- tomorrow and wednesday, and we did have that in the announcement that went out in the osbe newsletter. in addition, oewd and s.f. made, as part of the

manufacturing week, are hosting a hiring fair on october 6. and then next week will be the -- just bay area disability entrepreneurship week. so those are some business activities that are taking place that would be of interest to the basis community. i also want to inform you, in case you did not know, that the commission voted to send a letter to the m.t.a. regarding business loading zones and cost. what has resulted from the letter and feedback from many businesses and business organizations is sfmta has cut the application fee from $775 to $387.50, so cut the

application fee in half. businesses are eligible for this reduced application fee if they apply by december 31, 2021, so that's roughly three months. and i do want to make a special note that sfmta is encouraging businesses to first consider getting an assessment as to space that they're looking to do -- that they might apply for a general loading zone would be permissible. so sfmta is offering to do an assessment so businesses don't -- if it's not going to work out, that they do not submit a nonrefundable application fee. so that is noted under the general loading zone so that's

there for businesses, as well. and then, i attended the upper haight merchant meeting last thursday. 18 businesses have been sued. of note is some of the businesses, what their lawsuits are for is not necessarily the entryway but things like counters being too high, the height of the dining room tables. so i think what that says is there really needs an effort made around educating our businesses. we're dealing with the entryway with the a.b.e. ordinance, and with the upper haight, you know, with the upper haight just went through two years of

doing improvements. they're working with the property owners to, where it is doable, to kind of grade the sidewalk in a way from the entryway to create a level landing. this was done on castro street when castro street had its sidewalk improvements, so that's one step that the city is really taking to help, you know, help create more accessible entryways. so what we do have, particularly in the upper haight as in the castro, we now have more accessible entryways as a result of the work that public works is doing with property owners when we're doing sidewalk improvements. so we're definitely going to

look to expand and strengthen our education program for businesses, one, that they should be getting a [indiscernible] inspection and ensure an interior [indiscernible] inspection, and just ensure that businesses really understand that even if they have an accessible entryway, that there still may be other barriers that they need to remediate. and then, also think about employee training? just like, i mean, i try -- for restaurants, i liken it to you're training your employees on all the things that they need to comply, the health code and the environment, well, we need to add that to make sure we're maintaining an accessible environment, as well. so we're going to be looking to work to try to develop more of

a training program and work with the merchants associations on that. in addition, we are now seeing also an increase -- we now have -- or not seeing an increase. we're now starting to see businesses that are being sued for nonaccessible website, and this is particularly with their e-commerce section? so it is a little frustrating because a lot of businesses purchase what i call off-the-shelf products for e-commerce, and these product developers aren't ensuring that their product are -- meets accessibility guidelines or informs the business, if they're making any modifications -- like, giving them a tool to test, that any

modifications, they're meeting -- they're maintaining compliance for an accessible website. so i think this is sort of a new policy area that's going to need to be looked at, and so we're looking -- we're also looking internally with staff to see what we can do and create a space on our website to make sure what tools that you can use to make sure that your website is accessible and then work with our organizations, to make sure that this is something they should be asking the product that they're purchasing as to whether they are a.d.a. accessible, and if they are, can they prove it? so -- and i -- and commissioner

adams, i know that you have just recently gone through some efforts yourself, so please feel free, if you want to take a moment to share that. >> no, and i appreciate that because i'm still going runs through that on a number of our properties. we're in the process now of registering with the state, and you can put your inspections up on the state architecture site. people are looking -- but i found out that people are not even driving by in these lawsuits. they're looking at google maps and stuff, and doing it that way, so just -- we all want to do the right thing, and, you know, we're making our changes. we had our cass inspections done.

i had three more in the process that we're undergoing right now and are making those changes. there is support out there, at least from the state, from where i'm at, so i appreciate that. >> right, and thank you, commissioner adams, for reminding me, is that the state architect now, if you do have a cass inspection -- so let's say you've just recently had your cass inspection. you haven't been able to remediate your barriers. you can have your cass -- you can have your business and address identified under this one section called 120-day stay. so it does inform if -- it does inform those that are paying attention to this section of the state architect site that you just recently had your cass

inspection and therefore are going through the process. so one of the benefits of having that cass is a 120-day stay. and also, there's another section -- there's two sections -- >> yeah. there's a 120-day stay, and then, you can register it with your cass inspection number, property address, all of that. >> so i'm bringing that to your attention just so -- so there's definitely -- i think moving forward, we just -- you know, it's part of this office's effort, you know, regardless to whether i'm here or not here, how we can continue to help really encourage businesses to get their cast inspection, understand, you know, precovid -- i know that there is one coffee shop on valencia street, had an accessible entryway, but got sued because they had a counter, the top,

the milk, and the sugars and all of that was just too high. so any way, we need to encourage businesses to really understand the inside, even for new businesses in addition to businesses that have been open for a while. i want to -- under policy and legislative matters, i do want to note that supervisor safai's legislation on the commercial rent relief that you supported has passed out of the board of supervisors with a total of eight supervisors supporting that. still no information yet as to whether that -- the commercial rent relief will be funded. the resolution that you adopted regarding the employee tax credit, that has been forwarded, and i think carrie

did inform you, has been forwarded to all the key folks in the city and the office of economic and workforce development, so i'll be following up with her this week because she was out last week, so just what the next steps might be in response to the resolution so that i can provide you with that. then, i want to just -- i want to kind of -- as we move -- as you move forward, as we all move forward, legislation is happening, and it's -- you know, as -- i mean, as commissioner adams, and even you, commissioner ortiz-cartagena, have been here for a while, we can see that -- i mean, there's been an extraordinary difference where

the office of small business and the small business community wasn't consulted in drafting legislation, and -- and therefore, you know, the role of the commission in dealing with legislation at the time and having -- there was a lot more nuancing and recommendations for amendments, and fortunately, we're sort of more in a place of office staff having more involvement in advising on drafting of legislation. and so, you know, to give some consider for what's -- what are some additional -- besides making some legislation and recommendations, what else can the commission do? so the commission can take a look at policy or different procedures. we did this -- we took some initial steps in this -- in

taking a look at it, getting presentations from departments. it may be multiple presentations from multiple departments over different meetings than to coalesce a recommendation. this was similar to what was done with the commission working group, so i just sort of laid that out there in terms of you might want to think about moving forward in terms of taking on two or three policy items that you want to take a look on, do some is deep dives, and then have the commission come together to make its policy recommendation. and to kind of follow up with this, we had a -- we start to have a very robust discussion with the formula retail and conditional use. so i want to do just some policy reminders and then, you

know, i don't -- it's not -- it's not agendized for us to have a robust discussion, but just kind of utilizing -- i want to provide you just with some information just kind of give some thought to it. so one is just a reminder, that under the cb3p program, which is the expedited conditional use, formula retailers are permitted to use the cb3p to help our local home-grown businesses. so the other thing to give consideration to is the fact that there are still businesses that have to go through conditional use just like a formula retailer, and these

businesses are not eligible for the cb3p, and that is like a tobacco retail establishment, nighttime bars or restaurants or things that have a full alcohol license. so it's not just places that serve beer and wine, but that they are able to serve spirits, as well. i think it's always important to remember that there are individual businesses who also have to go through that same conditional use process. then, i also -- having gone through my own experience of having worked with a retailer from when they were three stores to -- i think i left when they had 13 stores, and just being able to see, you

know, what a business could do having, you know, a higher number of businesses. and i was an area manager, and what i experienced as an area manager is that sometimes new stores, it would take them a year before they started to break even? and to be able to support that cost, it helped by having other profitable stores. so -- and that was able to sustain that new location, being able to get, you know, off the ground and start generating a profit. so something that -- so when we're talking about formula retail, i just want to make sure, you know, that it's not to say that the expense of going through the conditional use is not something to be considered, but we have to also

remember sometimes who's the messenger, and sometimes the messenger are the retailers, and there's a higher profitability with being able to lease two formula retail. but the greater thing that, i think, needs to be given consideration, and if we kind of look at el faralito situation, and i'm going to say this without being able to absolutely affirm, you know, their schedule of growth? but they opened their first two locations in 1997. they opened a third location in san francisco in 1998. the fourth location in san francisco was opened in 2014. it recently closed in january of 2021, but i think, you know, some of the conversation that

we are hearing in -- regarding our local home grown formula retailers is they -- they may have two or three locations, and then, they leave the city to be able to grow even more and then come back rk and prafg -- come back, and perhaps some of that is being done because you might need to grow your business outside of san francisco in order to come back in order to grow your business. i sort of liken back to when i first moved here, i don't know how much of you remember just desserts. it was in many neighborhoods, and it was the place to go, and

it was a san francisco home grown thing. and i don't think that we quite see that kind of home grown business anymore in multiple neighborhoods, so when we're talking about, you know, kind of growth and expansion, yes, the formula retail costs, but it's a one-time cost. like, once you get through it, it's a one-time cost, and can you afford the cost on an ongoing basis? [please stand by]

>> director: so i just -- i just, you know, as you if the commission's going to give policy consideration in relation to formula retail, i think just don't forget there are other potential

considerations that might affect this as well. so i'll just leave it at that. so with large -- with businesses growing their business through e commerce first and then wanting to do land use and then have a store. so as a reminder and i believe, commissioner adams, you can correct me and i believe vice

president zouzounis, the planning department said it's not within their purview to establish any kind of economic distinction so that is if there's interest from the commission, that can be something that's explored on your behalf -- not your behalf, but you can explore what that could be from a policy perspective. but, again, you know, the planning department did note their role and their purview is regulating land, so anyway. that is why e commerce, we don't have an e-commerce designation that potentially could be applied for formula

retail. and then, also, i just want to remind the commission that the economic mitigation working group did set forward or did produce a set of 15 recommendations and discussion with vice president zouzounis who's the chair of the equity special committee, the racial equity special committee. you know, this is something that the racial equity special committee can look at, but there's a set of recommendations too that can be looked at and discussed. and i think there's kind of a top three that i look at. one is the elimination of the deemed approved use fee to amend the tobacco retail sales so that it allows for other

family members and expands the family member definition if the business is passed on to the family that they're able to retain. the tobacco license and then the cigarette litter abatement fee, but there is a whole host of others. so i'll resend that list to you for you to take a look at. and then lastly, i just want to make a note that i am having carrie work on a resolution regarding ada tax credits because it turns out the annual tax credit and deductions that businesses can take, that hasn't changed since 1998 and it turns out through carrie's research, excellent job on her part, that she found out that

senator duckworth in 2018 and 2019 put forward a bill to increase those tax credits and deductions, but, you know, it was under the trump administration, so those kind of died on the floor. so it's good to know that we have, you know, senators at the federal level who are also thinking about this and so looking to draft a resolution to help our local government encouraging our state -- our federal officials to continue to support and maybe encourage senator duckworth to reintroduce that bill. so with that, i'm happy to take any questions and i will leave it there.

>> vice president zouzounis: thank you, director. commissioners, do we have any questions for director dick endrizzi? commissioner huie. >> commissioner huie: that was a lot. thank you very much. that was a lot to digest. i am wondering in terms of formula retail, what in the past, how has this mission gone about to explore -- like, was there a sub committee. i feel like this was a huge topic like you were saying in terms of all the different policies that have happened and and i feel that our commission's role is so important because they're in

such a disconnect in policy and what actually happens in real life and speaking of other, you know, i guess without bringing up other topics and things, i think we have such an intimate understanding of how a business operates, runs, what we're thinking in terms of how we weigh our decisions and i think that's something that, you know, i wouldn't expect other people to understand unless they've really been in our shoes. like the example you brought up

in your. so how do we then bridge that gap between the idea of land use and the actual economics of running a business today. so i think that conversation is so -- go ahead. >> commissioner: i can jump in because i lived and breathed for the last eleven years and we've had sub committees and out of it we made changes to the cp3 program. we were able to make some changes, but you have to realize this is a voter mandated thing. so we can only do so much you have to go to the voter. she said i was involved in every one of these subgroups trying to make those changes

because i hear your frustration on this. i mean, i'm living it myself and i hear it through others. this isn't an overnight thing. it's going to have to come from changes from the mayor's office, from the board of supervisors. unfortunately, i mean, this commission has tried to do some changes. we've had some division on the commission with this. so, you know, in all fairness, we've had groups that we've met with the planning department. it's a tough thing and without getting into discussion on this, because we can't, but

we've had groups in the past that came out with positives on this. maybe we can have a retreat and talk about and see what we can do. >> commissioner huie: yeah. i don't think we're going to solve this and i don't even know what that solution would look like, you know. i think it's just -- i think is there a way that our commission can help shape the narrative for the present and then the near future? because the landscape looks very different than it did even five years ago at this point. so my hope is that i think putting it on the retreat agenda is a great idea. like having some space to be able to think about it and how do we fit into that narrative? because i think we've -- you have obviously put in a lot of work and other commissioners have obviously dealt with it.

>> commissioner: yeah. and i think the best thing to do going forward and we've done this. i think for people like you and people on the commission to have planning come in and somebody from planning explain it because it's a lot. and it's really important i feel, especially, you know, you've been out on clement street. i mean you know what's going on. your own shop. you're involved with your merchant organization and so i know what you get being involved in a merchant organization and i think there's things as merchant organizations, they may not last -- i mean, they don't know what's really out there and i think the first step is to have somebody come in and explain everything to the commission. >> director: right. and to add to commissioner

adams' comments, sometimes things are department driven, so the 2014 analysis was a department-led effort by the planning department and so therefore they included a representative of small business commission which i think was you, commissioner adams, but then they also had neighborhood representation which is where commissioner dooley and i think vice president zouzounis were involved through that. sometimes things are department driven and you might write a resolution that says, "we request that the department do xyz." i think one thing commissioner adams said is one thing for the commission to get a full briefing on the history. we'll use formula retail as an

example and just get a full history of the formula retail from inception, what changes have taken place, you know, what's there. so, you know, that's why i reiterated that, you know, we do have exceptions for formula retail to at the point them go through the conditional use process just like other small businesses who have to go through conditional use that can derive that benefit. so sometimes that may not necessarily be in everybody's, you know, forefront of their mind. so there's a history and then i think, you know, where the commission can really help weigh in and sort of do some potential sort of recommendations is around the e-commerce side. so, again, you know, that was 2014 and the planning

commission city attorney said that this is not an area for them to take leadership in because of, you know, their department, their role, and their function, but that doesn't necessarily mean that the commission can't take the leadership in that. so what would that entail? and that is something that, you know, then working with carrie would be, you know, what is the information we would want to gather to hear to then be able to inform and make a recommendation. or it could be that a special committee is created, though that's a lot of additional work. but to do a deep dive into it as well. but sometimes it benefits to have the full commission to have those presentations. so, um, so any other questions?

>> vice president zouzounis: i was just going to say, i was on the subsidiary as the small business group and i think that was around 2015. it might have been right after the 2014 formal group convened, they had a subsidiary working group. so i know that that had -- i mean, our focus was a little different because it was on formula retailers that were creating adjacent businesses thoughts. my memory doesn't serve there's been any changes.

so i think if it's something that we want to formally request as a body to have a presentation on both the formula retail and the subsidiary codes because i think they are distinct in that sense, yeah. but i think we should take into account everything that the director said that there are policy initiatives. we've already started at the commission that will address some of the economic barriers for small businesses that are, you know, hoping to become expanded businesses with multiple locations. i think fee mitigation is something we have said over and over again and i would love to see us follow through on some of the policy proposals we've

made in those areas and maybe use this as our contribution to the formula retail conversation. so really identifying what we feel like our niche is in that but i'm happy to keep brainstorming around that. >> director: and the last thing i'll say and hopefully we can move into public comment. but the one thing that is different is e-commerce in 2014 is very different than e-commerce now and so that is a particular area that i think is worth exploring. so i think if there aren't any

more commissioner questions, then we should move on to public comment. >> vice president zouzounis: are there any public callers on the line for item number seven? >> clerk: there are no callers in queue. >> vice president zouzounis: thank you. public comment is closed. thank you, director. may we please take the next item. >> clerk: item eight, commissioner discussion and new business. allows president, vice president, and commissioners to report on recent small business activities, make announcements that are of interest to the small business community, and make inquiries of staff and allows commissioners to introduce new agenda items for consideration. this is a discussion item. >> vice president zouzounis: thank you, carrie. do we have any commissioners

who want to give a report at this time? we do the work. we don't always have to talk about it. all right. i'll give a quick one. i was invited by supervisor stefani to join a union street merchant walk as part of the activation. okay. yeah. i'm still commenting for as part of the merchant group and avenue green light projects there. that was really neat. i met some of your clement street colleagues. commissioner huie, you have a great crew out there.

active merchant groups are now helping other merchant groups and i see that as a big benefit from this project as part of the san francisco merchant groups. so that was a really great event on union street. so props to that association and, today, i also joined some of our colleagues as part of the healthy retail program and food trusts that are helping small retailers, small grocers address some of their supply chain needs as it pertains to getting healthy products and more to come on that. commissioner huie, i'll pass it to you. >> commissioner huie: i don't always like to share the stuff

that i do, i guess. not because i'm secretive about it but just because, you know, like all of us, we kind of just do our thing, but one of the things that i'm working on is helping the chinese historical society of america plan a street fair in chinatown and we got our street closure on joyce alley, so joyce street and we're working in partnership with c.c.c. which is i think "chinese cultural center" of san francisco. i may have that totally wrong. but we are partnering with them and they're producing a performance, a day of dance called "dancing on waiverly" and so there are two festivals happening at the same time and it's scheduled for october 16th. and it's kind of like a

marketplace where we've invited vendors who are exploring their a.a.p.i. heritage and bringing forth crafts and art and we'll have different artists with their work and hopefully artists talks and things like that. and the thing that's really significant about this is that we are working in collaboration with others and i find that in this community, it's really important for us to really think about how we can collaborate and create partnerships and, you know, this is -- i guess what you said, vice president zouzounis, was that, you know, merchants associations are collaborating with each other. you know, people in different neighborhoods are collaborating with each other. even in the same neighborhood. i think what we need now is

really the concept of how do we lift all of us up. let's not reinventing the stuff, and that's what we're hoping for with the street fair, is the opportunity to make new connections and bring people into the neighborhood and create something hopefully that will be sustaining. so this is the first of the fair. hopefully, this will continue and i'm kind of helping them make businesses. so, hopefully, if you guys are in chinatown or interested in going to chinatown on october 16th. i think the next day is going to be phoenix day for the whole city, so lots of activities. i know clement street has some things planned. yeah. i'm also excited about fleet week. that's coming up too. i don't want to be a sitting

calendar, but there are a lot of things happening that, you know, i am really excited to see because it's time we celebrate a little bit, you know. so, yeah. i'm open for more collaborations and meeting new people. thanks. >> vice president zouzounis: seeing no more commissioners. i'll take public comment. do we have any commentors for item number eight on the line? >> clerk: we have no callers in queue. >> vice president zouzounis: thank you. public comment is closed for item eight. next item. >> clerk: item nine adjournment. this is an action item. >> commissioner: i move to adjourn. >> vice president zouzounis: second. >> clerk: moved by commissioner ortiz-cartagena and seconded by vice president

zouzounis. okay. motion to adjourn. [roll call] motion passes four to none with three commissioners absent. do we have to read a closing statement before we close? >> director: well, we just -- the office of small business slide should be read before we do adjournment. so we'll just have to bypass that. >> clerk: oh, right. okay. meeting is adjourned at 6:27

p.m. then. >> director: thank you, commissioners. >> vice president zouzounis: thank you everybody.

.>> i'm blanking out on her last name. i think she is on the cannabis oversight committee as well. i think it would be great to follow the tradition. that would be great. >> excellent. we are of one mind. is that a motion to send the committee the report to the board of supervisors. >> yes. thank you. moving the motion. >> all right. mr. clerk, roll call, please. >> on that motion. (roll call).

the motion passes without objection. mr. milley will be recommended to the committee. next on the agenda is permitting travel who have adopted laws on or before october 21, 2021. work on the contract

prescriptive abortion laws. we're still seeing states today discriminate against the lgbtq community as well as suppress the women's right to choose. since the 2020 presidential election, nine states including arizona, arkansas, florida, georgia, texas, and wyoming have enacted laws that restrict

rights to vote. an active voter list by removing those who have not voted in prior elections, ending voter registration. banning elector ballots. many of these states are already on the states travel ban list. this list will most likely include arizona. an active voter list. many thousands of voters could be removed from the list. arizona have expanded ballot requirements from a democratic secretary of state. institute a voter i.d. provision

for in person vote. throughout history there have been restrictive law it prohibit persons of color and women from voting in this vote. they have made it clear to make it harder for black voters and women to vote. this threatens our democracy as a whole. states with laws that don't include voting at a polling place. satisfying an identification requirement. laws limiting or prohibiting local election departments absentee ballots. prepaid postage or mail in

ballots and restriction of voting hours. under this legislation, the city will not be required or pay for any of its employees or officers to travel to a state on the list. on a more positive note, i do want to commend the 17 states that have passed laws for voters. we should not be putting city funds towards travel to make it harder to vote. by adopting these amendments san francisco is taking a stand against voter restriction in this country. thank you. >> thank you. any comments from committee members. supervisor mandleman. >> thank you for bringing up this legislation which i'll be

supporting today. what the states are trying to do is abhorrent, offensive, unamerican, given san franciscan have already taken these steps for states discriminating queer folks and women, laws and prohibitions that are designed to keep people of color from voting to weigh in. i absolutely support the travel ban. i have some concerns, i'm maining looking at this in the state that's have passed laws that are targeting lgbt people and in particular trans folks,

senator weiner enacted. i believe it's right for san francisco to put their money where their mouth is. i'm also cognizant that there are queer people and people of color and lots of women in these states. in some cases there are businesses that are owned by or doing their best to lift up women and people of color and queer folks in these states. although i believe we need to pass this legislation, i also hope that folks be willing to engage with me as we move forward thinking about particular around queer people if there's some ways to recognize companies that are doing good work in these states, that are doing the work of change in those states. if there's a business that's being led by an african american

lesbian in louisiana, i would support that legislation. i'll be reaching out to all of you to think about potential offerings in the future. thank you. >> thank you, supervisor. why don't we go to public comment -- i'm sorry. i can't deal with this. can we have in person meetings again, mr. president. go ahead president walton. >> i believe we left in person meetings up to the chair. >> i'm all for it. >> i would love to work with you

on that. it puts us in a conundrum. as we look at the history of the united states, there are things that are positive for black people. we have black colleges and ufts. universities. we want to promote legislation for black people. they continue to push laws that discriminate against people of color. i'm all for looking to support the people want to help them in positive ways. i'm with you and definitely would love to work with you. >> thank you. why don't we go to public item on this item.

any members of the public here for item two. >> yes. member of the public wishing to make comment on item number two. if you haven't already done so please press star three to line towp speak. up to speak. we currently have one person on the line for public comment. >> first speaker, please. >> no objection to the legislation. makes total sense. we should not be doing business with those states. i appreciate president walton bringing this. i do note this section 12x point

24 there's a covered state list. under subsection c there, it shall be posted on the city administrators website. i think that's very helpful. i'm just wondering if there is or could be a more comprehensive list either on the oca or controller or city administrator somewhere that's comprehensive and lists all of the states and places and types of businesses that san francisco does not travel to or do business with for all the various reasons. those are codifies in various places, i'm not aware there's a comprehensive list. i think that would be helpful. it's great to see tom owens

name. it's nice to see him doing some work. thank you very much for listening. >> are there any other nebs fors of the public for this item. >> no other members from the public on this item. >> public comment is closed. thank you for bringing this change to the rules committee. i would love to add my name as a cosponsor and send this to the full board with positive recommendation on that motion, a roll call please. >> on that motion, (roll call). the motion passes without

objection. >> thank you. could you please read the next item. item no. 3, appointing six members, terms ending 2022, advisory committee. >> thank you, mr. young. colleagues and welcome supervisepreston. as a threshold i was going through 13 applicants for six seats. i was rather startled that there was only one tenant applicant for the tenant seat. i found that would be rather odd and took it upon myself to call supervisor preston over the weekend and found out how that

could be. i think a lot of the folks interested go to the panning department's website. as they ought to in so far as the planning department is staffed for this advisory committee under the law. if you go to that web page, it actually did not list seat one as being open. it listed other seats but not seat one. what i would like to do is a threshold matter is continue seat one so that we can have a better public process relative to making that available to interested parties and proceed with seats two through six

having said that, i will turn it over to supervisor preston for some opening remarks. if you want to do it now or later and go to the applicants in the order they appear. however, i have received notification that mr. henderson has to go teach a class at san francisco state. i'll call him first out of order so he can teach that class and accommodate that request. >> thank you. it sounds like there may be something time sensitive for one of the applicants, i'm happy to defer remarks. i'm happy to defer for seat one. we didn't know until the agenda

came out that seat one was open for applicants. that concurs with your statement for making sure that's open for folks to be aware of before making decisions on that. i'm happy to defer remarks. >> all right. if there are no other remarks from committee members. let's start with mr. henderson and we'll go to speakers in order that they appear on the agenda. good morning. is mr. henderson there. mr. clerk? >> we are checking. it does not appear that he is currently logged in at the moment. >> so much for that special request. we'll go to daniel for seat one.

i'll be making a motion to sever seat one and making a call back to the chair. would you like to wait until a future meeting. all right. let's go to eric -- i don't know if i pronounced that correctly. >> good morning supervisors. thank you for the opportunity to speak. thank you for the clarification. i would have applied under seat one because i am a tenant. seat two seems to be a resident, homenner. homeowner. i definitely don't own my home.

>> i noted that on your application. seat two which are you not qualified for because you are not a homeowner. at any rate, we can't appoint you to seat two. you may want to fill that form out again. however, the floor is yours for no longer than two minutes. >> i would like to build my statement in the hub area. the market street plan and found it to be incredibly illuminating. i primarily focused on sections five and seven. my apartment faces market street

between goth and franklin. i understand the jack hammering. we're right around the corner from each other. that said, i think this section of the plan area faces some really specific challenges that the plan does go onto address really thoroughly especially in section seven, whereas the transit portion in section five does go onto expand the plan area all the way to the hayes valley. there are parts of it described in the plan as a no human plan due to asphalt and congestioned

traffic. plan goods onto recommend that rate and sustained plan elements needs to be a part of the plan coming to fruition. one of my qualifications as stake holders is to see this plan come to fruition. a more liveable, walkable transition. that was the crux of my analysis was this continued and sustained pressure needs to be continuously applied to ensure plans are enacted. >> two minutes is up. >> thank you. >> sorry. i just want to note that

mr. henderson just logged in. >> okay. the floor is yours. i understand you have a class that is to proceed shortly. not to exceed two minutes. you are on mute. >> good morning supervisors. thank you for the opportunity to speak. i do have to teach a class in a few minutes. it's actually a urban transportation class. i've been involved with mark and octavia for quite some time. worked on the innovative progressive parking standards that the plan spear headed. i would lake to continue my involvement with this plan because there are some huge multiple moving pieces that are going to impact this part of the

city. the circulation patterns and traffic issues have not been finished. we have a will the more work to do to really address the bigger issues of thousands if not over a hundred thousand vehicles a day coming through there. transit capacity is woefully inadequate. dove tailing with the need to reduce the bus service before the pandemic. you couldn't even get on a bus. we need to pick up where we left up on the prepandemic period. transit capacity was really a mess. this area has great potential as a bicycle oriented area.

also delivery. this area is severely impacted by the gig economy, delivery, the uber's, and lyft's. none of that was approved. we need more housing in the center of the city but it needs to be affordable housing.

i may have gone over a few seconds. i do apologize. >> thank you. the next applicant mr. sterns has withdrawn. we go to francis. the floor is yours. let's go to tracy jacks who i know has joined us. tracy, you're on mute. >> apologize. good morning and thank you for the opportunity and for

considering me for this seat. as someone who has been part of the neighborhood association and the transportation and planning committee and someone who has been active in the community since i purchased by condo here, i'm very interested -- i have a vested interest and the goings on in the market area because it impacts my daily life. i would be honored to have a voice on this committee when it's making decisions and advising the board of supervisors. thank you. >> thank you mrs. jacks. now we'll go to benjamin.

>> i've been a homeowner for seven years. i worked on the transportation planning committee and related projects the whole time. i'm one of the defacto historians and writer of history. most of the time is volunteering the rfp perfects he is for the 90's and 2000s. i'd like to be more formerly involved. i have personal experience on doing work on my home. i think just a healthy

affirmative vision of what the future should look like. inclusive and increased housing, diverse mobility. looking forward to welcoming large numbers of new neighbors and ensure they have good housing and mobility and design. i would like to be involved in helping steward. i would be honored in sitting on the cac. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> thank you. and thank you for the e-mails you have sent us. with that we'll go to michael

rooney. adam roberts i know is with yous. >> i live here. i'm part -- a bit of background about myself. i've been in this home since march of 2020. i was an advisory neighborhood commissioner. soliciting input neighbors, that is going to be particularly important. i really appreciate your consideration of my application and happy to answer any questions. thank you. >> thank you. seeing no questions. why don't we go onto autumn.

the previous individual mr. lee withdrew. autumn, are you with us? >> autumn is the only applicant for c4. why don't we go onto gail for seat five. >> hi there. can you hear me now? >> yes, we can. >> can you see me? >> yes. >> okay. i'm gail. i'm applying for seat number five. i'm a long standing supporter of the plan and my goal as the cac member is to faithfully implement the plan. i've lived in san francisco for

45 years. it's always been my goal to constructively engage in the community. i served on the board for three years as president. my full understanding of the market plan began as a member of the planning committee. i was often the substitute chair. my activism has prepared me for this seat. some of my accomplishments and organizations and groups include gang violence reduction and engaging at risk youth. many accomplishments including the complete rebuild of the hayes valley park.

here is my six point agenda should you recommend me for seat five. building the plan, adding parcel l with k for affordable housing. expanding space. more public spaces throughout the hub as well as safety measures around pedestrians and psychists. our transit first priority in how we live and work. bringing justice to those most impacted in the western edition by the central freeway construction. advocating for the removal of the essential freeway back to bryant.

a false accusation was made in using my influence and a report i believe will put this matter to rest on october 15th. happy to take any questions. >> thank you. our next applicant is madelyn. >> autumn let's go to you.

>> i'm interested in furthering my work in the community by working with you all. >> i don't think we have any questions. appreciate you showing up this morning. we will now go to madeline howard. >> thank you all for having me today. i'm a resident. i have a huge interest in the activation of the corridor via

this committee due to arts, entertainment, social justice, and the historic and iconic way that san francisco does it. i'm currently a non voting member of the hayes valley evaluation. i'm a events curator coordinator. i moved approximately three years ago now. in the summer of 2020 found hayes valley association and art works and have been a member every since. in our uprising of 2020 felt the

need to get active and participated in door knocking. i'm a cool kid. you guys want me. thank you very much. >> are any of the individuals that i called on here. doesn't sound like it. why don't we go to public comment on this item. are there any members of the public who wish to testify. >> yes. members of the public who wish to testify. if you haven't already done so please press star three to line

up to speak. it appears we have one member of the public for public comment at this time. >> please proceed. >> can you hear me now? >> proceed. >> yes. david again. brief points here. to victor or the staff, please update the information sheet to reflect the planning department move, the address and phone number changed. if anyone was following up on the information sheet, they would not have been able to reach the planning department. the market plan assumed transit on both hayes streets which mta

should restore. i support the efforts to that end. if jeremy lee was removed, i assume that will be moved to the call of the chair. thank you very much. >> i would like to offer some

remarks. i understand this has been somewhat of a transition period for the cac with a number of seats vacant. i hope with this city's support, this will begin a new chapter for the cac. i think the cac can play a really important role in the neighborhood. the applicants before this body are ready and able to provide oversight on improvements and funding and what matters to the residents who live within the boundaries of the plan area. the applicants who you have heard from, my office have

encouraged qualified neighbors to apply. thank you to all the candidates who did apply. we urge all candidates for the selective committee to remain engaged and stay in contact with our office or your supervisor as the case may be and also with the folks who are ultimately selected for the cac. i would like to briefly speak on some of the candidates. my office urges the committee to support today. thank you for hearing from them today. first tracy jacks. an enthusiastic volunteer to get the shared spaces program which

has been a huge success off the ground during the pandemic. autumn, i was proud to nominate to the legacy business registry recently. she is a dedicated neighborhood volunteer. jason hennedder son. chair of the planning committee, a visionary of sustainable urban design. one of the first people that our office called when complex transportation and land use issues come up for district five. madeline, a queer buy racial

artist. many programs, as she mentioned. lastly, i want to mention, my office has been in contact with a number of applicants as well as chair peskin and believe there are configurations that can accommodate the slate that i've described. the current applicant for seat six would also qualify for seats three and tracy jacks currently a seat for seat two could be moved for the at large seat, seat six if that is the committee's preference. thank you for your time and consideration on this cac and frankly on all the various

bodies that come before you. thank you for getting the best candidates for these positions and moving these forward. >> thank you for your vetting of these candidates and suggestions on how this puzzle might be put together. thank you to all the applicants. i want to reiterate that whether you are recommended for appointment this morning or in the, we seriously urge you to stay involved in the process that has been going on since the earthquake. with that supervisor mandleman. >> thank you. i think the slate that was mentioned makes a lot of sense. i would hope to put before

professor rudy for seat two. he is on a flight this morning. if some of these are go to go going toget continued. i might continue seat two. >> i would like to make an all uncompassing motion to do the following things. continue seat one and two to the call of the chair. and to have mrs. howie in seat four. miss jacks in seat six and send those recommendations to the full board with recommendations to seats five and six.

and seats one and two to the call of the chair. >> thank you for your time. i appreciate it. >> if there's no objection on that all encompassing motion. >> we have a recommendation for seat three, jason for seat five. tracy jacks for seat six. seats one and two will get called to a future meeting at the call of the chair. >> that is correct. >> okay. on that motion. (roll call)

>> supervisor melgar: good afternoon. this meeting will come to order. welcome to the san francisco land use and transportation

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board of supervisors meeting. >> supervisor melgar: specifically, we must find that it has -- that we have found the circumstances of the state of emergency, and two, that the state of emergency continues to directly impact the ability -- our ability to meet safely in person, and three, that state and local officials continue to impose and recommend measures to promote social distancing. so tomorrow, the full board will allow a findings motion to allow the board to meet as a

whole and continue the state of emergency for the next 30 days, but because we're acting the day before, we need to move on these findings ourselves so that we can proceed with this meeting by teleconference. so i therefore would like to move that we adopt these findings as stated, and before we can vote on that, we have to open this up for public comment. supervisor preston, go ahead. >> supervisor preston: thank you, chair melgar. i just wanted to check, and perhaps you know or with the deputy city attorney -- or check with the deputy city attorney. are we able to discuss and vote on this without it being agendized? yeah. deputy city attorney. >> supervisor melgar: yeah. city attorney pearson, are you there? >> this is deputy city jensen,

and i understand that deputy city attorney pearson had worked it out in advance and it is on the agenda although it's not involved. i know it does show up on the agenda now, that it might be heard today, but my understanding is that you are, in fact, allowed to hear it today. >> supervisor preston: no, and i saw the communication discussing that, but i wasn't sure if we could formally adopt findings without that motion, but since it is in the agenda, we can do that. >> that's correct. and it's my understanding that the board will be acting in a way tomorrow that will allow it to be enacted for the next 30

days without enacting city legislation. >> supervisor peskin: we met on the rules committee earlier today and adopted the same motion after some scintillating public comment. >> supervisor melgar: okay. if you don't have anything else after that, supervisor preston, let's go to public comment. >> clerk: thank you, madam chair. d.t. is checking to see if there are any callers in the queue. for those already in the queue, please wait until the system says you are unmuted. kalina is helping us today with public comment. we have nine listeners and one in queue. if you could unmute the caller,

please. >> [indiscernible]. >> supervisor melgar: ma'am, i'm so sorry. i'm sorry to interrupt you. this is not the right item. we are voting on something else, but the item that you want to provide comment on is coming up, so stay in the queue, please. >> clerk: madam chair, d.t. has confirmed that there are no more callers in the queue. >> supervisor melgar: thank you very much, madam clerk. so i have made a role that we adopt these findings. can we take roll on those findings, madam clerk. >> clerk: yes. on the motion as made by chair melgar -- [roll call] >> clerk: you have three ayes.

>> chair melgar: thank you, madam clerk. the motion passes. please call item number 1. >> clerk: item number 1 is an ordinance amending the health code, planning code, and police code to extend the sunset date for provisions governing medical khanna dismukes pencearys from december 31, 2021 to december 31, 2022, to extend the sunset date for allowing the conversion of medical cannabis dispensaries with planning commission

approval to [inaudible] meg [inaudible]. >> chair melgar: thank you very much. we have tom temprano, legislative aid to supervisor mandelman. >> this ordinance will extend cannabis business permits and temporary business permits through december 31, 2022, to convert to medical cannabis use without being subjected to

additional use requirements through 2022. i will run through some brief additional information on each of these items. so firstly, this ordinance will allow the health code to allow existing businesses operating under medical cannabis existing permits to continue operating through december 31, 2022. this is necessary to successfully transition or dispensaries to medical and adult use businesses. for these medical cannabis dispensaries, this ordinance will also extend the date by which these businesses can convert to a cannabis retail

use without being subject to an additional cannabis operating license or restrictions to january 31, 2023. the businesses operating under these temporary cannabis business permits are part of the amnesty program that san francisco initiated to allow existing, illegal, nonretail cannabis business operators to come forward, make themselves and their activities known to the city, and to come into compliance with our laws. i will note that this is the second time that supervisor mandelman has introduced legislation to extend these medical cannabis dispensary and temporary cannabis business permits, and we hope that this is the last time that we have to extend these licenses. the second time this does is extend the cannabis event

permit pilot program through december 31, 2023 to allow legal cannabis sales and consumption at temporary events. this allows the office of cannabis to permit for regulated events while ensuring businesses were supplying safe products and were not allowing consumption by underage youth. the ordinance created a pilot phase for the program to allow the city to ramp up cannabis permits slowly and thoughtfully. due to the covid-19 pandemic, only one permit was issued, and that was for the 2020 grasslands event. so supervisors, thank you again

for your consideration of this ordinance. i'm happy to answer any questions, and i am also joined by john pierce and ray law from the office of cannabis who can answer any questions, as well. >> chair melgar: thank you so much, mr. temprano. i did have a couple of questions. i don't see my colleagues on the roster, so i have a couple of questions for mr. law. are you there, mr. law? there you are. welcome to the meeting. have you had any feedback to update cannabis offices to retail?

is there anything that your office is doing to support this? and then, my second question -- and i'll just get it out of the way -- is that requirement of complying with the equity program, and i'm wondering what specific things the -- you know, the businesses are doing as they shift into a new business mode to also comply with the equity program? >> sure. thank you for all the questions. those are good questions, with your first questions about the m.c.d. pipelines, converting them from dispensaries to article 16 operators, right? so i think it kind of pauses to confer with this group.

we had a huge backlog since 2019, with 160 equity applications coming into your pipeline, and that was way beyond most of our expectations, and we created that backlog in late last year, and we start processing existing operator applications in may of last year. so this pause is a very significant step for our existing operators to confer into the article 16 bill, and we are making some progress, but we just don't see that we

are [indiscernible] to convert all of them by the end of this year, which is why we worked with supervisor mandelman to come forward to ask for another year of extension, to ask for this work and continue the momentum and work all of them from the temporary status to permanent status. >> chair melgar: so i'm sorry. if i can just recap it, mr. law, there's been no challenges on the operational side, it's more the regulatory infrastructure that has led to this being slowed down in terms of the rollout, is that what you're saying? >> that's right. >> chair melgar: okay. >> and those operators have been patiently waiting. and in april of this year, when we knew we were about to

process this group of applicants, we host a kind of meeting to kind of walk them through the process, so when the applications are being picked up, they can hit the ground running and go through all the steps associated with this process. >> chair melgar: mr. law, is it your sense that it has affected this in any way or they have just been able to roll out what they needed to when processing the applications? >> sure. i would say largely this won't impact their ability to do business in san francisco because we do have a temporary authorization for them to sell cannabis at the same time, but that's actually a perfect segue to move to your second

question. within 30 days, they're required to submit their report to support the city's equity goal. some of them would [indiscernible] kind of section to demonstrate to equity applicants how to run a business, how to apply for business permit [indiscernible] manufacture or cultivated by equity applicants across jurisdictions. >> chair melgar: great. thank you so much, mr. law. colleagues, do we have any questions for these folks? okay. so with that, madam clerk, let's take public comment on this item. >> clerk: thank you, madam chair. d.t. is checking to see if we

have any callers on hold. if you have not already done so, press star, three to enter the queue. if you have already done so, please continue to wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. and it looks like we don't have any callers in the queue. >> chair melgar: okay. with that, public comment is closed. colleagues, can we have a motion to send this out of committee with a positive recommendation? >> supervisor peskin: so moved. >> chair melgar: thank you, supervisor peskin. let's take roll, madam clerk. >> clerk: on the motion to approve item 1 made by supervisor peskin -- [roll call] blal. >> clerk: you have three ayes. >> chair melgar: thank you. the motion passes.

madam clerk, please call item 2. >> clerk: item 2 is a motion declaring the board of supervisors to -- [indiscernible]. >> clerk: madam clerk, this is john carroll, back up clerk. item 2 is resolution declaring the intention of the board of supervisors to real estate name the stairwell at sonora lane between o'farrell street and terra anza avenue, which runs parallel to anza vista and st. joseph's avenues to

vicha ratanpakdee way. >> chair melgar: thank you, mr. carroll. joining us is supervisor stefani. supervisor stefani, the floor is yours. >> supervisor stefani: thank you. vicha was well known in his community for his hour long walks every morning, who kept him healthy and moving this year. earlier this year, he was violently shoved to the ground, causing him to hit his head. the video went viral and was

very shocking and hard to see. the crime was just one of many committed against the asian and pacific islander community. when i introduced this back in july at our last meeting, the resolution actually says 7,000 on page 1, on-line 20, so perhaps we can amendment that at committee, that it's actually 9,000 hate incidents. and just over 13% of these reported incidents involve a physical assault. since his passing, his daughter has worked tirelessly to amplify the voices of those not only in the thai community but

those in the pacific islander community and asians to ensure what happened to her father will not happen to anyone else. it's so tragic when we put this type of advocacy on victims, who continue to suffer and mourn the loss of loved ones, and yet, they bear this enormous burden. i was so honored to meet [indiscernible] over the pandemic to discuss what happened -- honored and very sad. it's one of those situations where you don't know what to say, and the fact that she entrusted me to work on her request, to name the public stairwell after her father is a great honor and feels like i can at least do something. naming the stairwell to vicha ratanapakdee way would

show a measure of solidarity with the asian and pacific islander community. i want to thank you again, and for all the work that you are doing and have done to support our aapi neighbors in san francisco. i just want to say one last thing, too. i've obviously been following this. my heart goes out to his daughter and the entire family and her children. and i listen to the new york times, the daily podcast, and on sunday, i think, september 26, they had one, and it was titled, why was vicha ratanapakdee killed, and when i saw that, i immediately listened to it. to [indiscernible], the

strength that you showed that i found out about on that podcast, it's just unfathomable to me what you've had to deal with after your father's death. as someone who's very close to your father, i cannot tell you how it feels when you don't know what to say and don't know what to do, and i hope that this gesture shows that we are with you and with the aapi community, and this is something that we will continue to work onto stop aapi hate, so thank you for entrusting me to carry forward this resolution and i'm hoping my colleagues will support it, as well. thank you.

>> chair melgar: thank you very much, supervisor stefani, and thank you for the support that you have provided for the family. if there are no comments or questions, colleagues, please, let's take public comment on this item. i know that there are a number of callers that are waiting to provide public comment. madam clerk? >> clerk: thank you, madam chair. d.t. is checking to see if there are any callers in the queue. if you have not done so already, please press star, three to be added to the queue. for those that have already done so, please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. we have 12 listeners and five in queue. kalina, if you could unmute the first listener. >> hi, can you guys hear me?

>> clerk: yes, please begin. >> okay. i just want to say that i am in support of renaming the stairwell at sonora lane to vicha ratanapakdee way. there's no question that vicha was targeted because of the color of his skin, and he was murdered because of the color of his skin.

>> clerk: thank you so much. next caller, please. we have 11 listeners with seven in the queue. >> hi. hello, can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, please begin. >> okay. hi. my name is vinita lui, and i want to say hello to chair melgar and supervisors stefani, preston, and peskin. vicha ratanapakdee way is not a

street, it's a set of stairs that's a shortcut into our neighborhood. we're not considering naming an alley or a whole street. it's a set of stairs, and i live in this neighborhood, and i still can't believe what happened to this grandpa. so i am in favor of naming sonora lane, a set of stairs, and our neighborhood is only about five blocks circumference to commemorate his name and for his grand kids to hear his name and to talk about and tell his story. thank you. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please.

hello, caller. you're on the line. >> hello. this is [indiscernible] and i am calling in support of changing sonora way to vicha ratanapakdee, and i need some sort of story for my future and children's future.

i think this is a good move and one that needs to be in full support of. thank you. i'm done. >> clerk: thank you. next caller, please. >> yes, i'm here. can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, go ahead. >> hello? yeah, yeah. my name is baird fong. i'm a native san francisco, and born and raised and raised my three kids as well as with my wife. i want to support the renaming of this stairs in honor of mr. vicha, and the reason being is not only do i salute, and we should salute the stop of the hate again asian and aapi elders as well as individuals, i think that this could be an

honorable step in the right direction to build alliances and coalitions with all of our neighbors -- black, latino, everyone -- to make a better san francisco. so hope all of you on our board of supervisors can use this as a marker to build a brotherhood and sisterhood in san francisco that we all can be proud of and have been in the past. thank you very much. >> clerk: thank you. next speaker? we have five in queue. >> hi. my name is forest. i'd like to thank chair melgar, supervisor peskin, supervisor preston, for hearing me out today, and i'd like to especially thank supervisor stefani for hearing this today. earlier this year, i was just a regular joe, and the death of

vicha inspired me to leave my career and become an activist in the fight against hate against the asian and pacific islander community. he made me want to do what i do every day, which is to forward our issues. it would mean so much to the organization that i represent, community safety chinatown, and the community, if we could change the name to vicha ratanapakdee way. thank you so much. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. we have nine listeners and five in queue. >> hi. i'm [indiscernible] and i'm calling in expressing support for the renaming of this stairwell in honor of vicha's

memory, as well. i'm calling because i'm the child of immigrants, and the story of immigrants is the story of struggle. my own family faced racism growing up in the community, but i see a glimmer of hope in the movement that's galvanized a call for justice, and i believe the best way to call for justice is to rename the stairway in honor of vicha. thank you so much, and i yield my time. >> clerk: thank you. we have nine listeners and three in the queue. >> hello? >> clerk: hello. go ahead. >> hi. my name is will, and