>> president bleiman: order. hello and welcome to the tuesday 2021 virtual meeting the entertainment commission by name is ben and i'm the president. to protect entertainment members to the employees and the public the city all meeting rooms are closed however meetings and employees will be participating in the meeting remotely and this is taken pursuant of the local state and federal orders declaration and departments and commission members and employees will attend the meeting through video conference and participate in the meeting to the same extent if they were physically present and is public comment will be available on channel 26 and sfgovtv and opportunities to speak are available and via you soot platform using 82984367075

or by calling. and using the meeting i.d. if using zoom platform to speak select the raise hand option when it's time for public comment. if calling by phone, dial star 9 to be added to the speaker line and you will be unmuted when it's your turn to speak. please call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly and turn down your television and radio and you zoom audio or telephone for public comment and you may submit a written public comment through the chat function on zoom and please note that the commissioner and staff are not allowed to respond to comments or questions during public comment. thank you sfgovtv and media services for sharing this meeting with the public. we'll start with a roll call. >> clerk: all right. good evening. let's begin with president. >> here. >> vice president camino. >> commissioner faizon.

>> commissioner lee. >> here. >> commissioner thomas. >> >> and commissioner wang. >> here. i'll note that commissioner perez has an excused absence. >> president bleiman: the first order of business is general public comment. is there any public comment not listed on the agenda? >> we had one person raise their hand. and barrie toronto going to -- hello, barrie. can you hear us? >> yes. >> you have two minutes. thank you, very much. >> thank you. first, the most important thing is everybody should congratulate laura thom a for all of her work, service work, working with the aids foundation and her

role. one of my best cab customers. everybody should download the app and do what she does and thank you, laura. there's a problem with some of the bigger nightclubs. they are blocking off a lot of curb space with cones. not just the parking lane but part the traffic lane and you may need to deal with the permit of the operations of the club itself but i think you should be concerned they are taking away street space so i am raising this issue and i've done this before and i'm coming out of a pandemic with having the shared spaces and they're not supposed to go into the traffic lanes and they have a lot of solicitors

and temple at 540 howard street. go down at night and you will see what a mess it is down there and it has to be called on the carpet how they allow the solicitors in the black s.u.v.s and also the double parking problem. it's a miss. and 1015 paulsome and they harass us for waiting at an area and it's not even part of their business. the next one is great northern and great northern now goes entirely into the lane of traffic on utah street and all i can say is that the people who ran mighty were a lot nicer and a lot more compassionate to having us available because the pricing by the tncs is so bad late at night that will people

should not be discouraged from taking taxis by the harassment we're getting from some of the security people at some of these nightclubs, the question is what can they do? >> clerk: you are at time. sorry to stop you. >> president bleiman: any other public comments? >> i'm checking right now. there are no hands raised and no comments in the chatbox. >> excellent. the next item is number 2 which is approval of the minutes for september 21st, 2021 and october 19th, 2021 commission meetings. do we have a motion to approve the minutes from those two meetings. >> so moved. >> president bleiman: is there a second. >> second. >> president bleiman: is there any public comment on these items? >> clerk: let me check. there is none.

>> president bleiman: all right. we can have a vote. >> clerk: sorry. is this vote time, president? >> president bleiman: yes. >> sorry, i just got a call from a doctor. president. [roll call vote] >> president bleiman: congratuli ons to the minutes, they've been approved. number 3 a report from the executive director. >> i have a brief report.

we have a lot to look forward to at our next agenda and i'll get into that in a second. say wanted give a brief update around halloween. happy halloween to awful you and i hope you had a great weekend and we're r able to enjoy something that the city had to offer because there was a lot going on between the night shores, outside land, day events, trick-or-treating, all of that fun stuff so between all of that we did a lot of outreach to our permit holders and potential applicants to ensure they had plenty of time to go a mead apply to extent any of their permits just a reminder that indoor entertainment portal and active again and separate from the jam permitting system so it's very easy to use and it's green door and bill on has

done a great job getting that back up and running so we're going to encourage our folks to use that again for the winter holidays and if they want to extent for new year's eve and other events. beyond that, just wanted to let you all know that we continue to provide situational awareness and we had a meeting with the e.m. and the police department and we were able to provide them of a list that was put together of events going on in the city so that was really important just because you may be looking at outside lands happening that you want to look holistically and all the other events happening late-night. beyond that just want to let you all know at our next hearing, we'll have not only permanent agenda items but we're going to

get into the small business recovery act and lloyd and shared spacers dinnance and our plan at staff implementing those two pieces of legislation and it changes what we do and we'll move our jam permit holders into brick and mortar permits. it's a huge universe so kaitlyn is mapping what it will look like in terms of folks that need amendments to their exiting limited live performance or place of entertainment permits versus folks that are going to be coming to us for the first time and through one of those permits or through our f pass out outdoor amplified sound permit for those just doing pre-recorded music. it could be anywhere to 240 applications so we're going to need to oversee and so we're look at how we'll do that in the new year with all of you and we'll likely immediate to plan

special hearings to ensure that we can see all of those permit applications through and we're going to put as many as humanly possible on the consent agenda so we'll look to awful you to confirm our criteria and which we're going to be placing folks on the consent or regular agenda. we have a general idea of how we'll do that. we'll have an item separate from our educational idea on how we're implementing looking to you to help us figure out how to differentiate in this new world of permitting between what should receive administrative approval and eye mission approval so we're allowed to mer might more than 12 days of calender year which is really exciting. so maybe ha threshold is 13 and more but the existing complaints so we'll look to you to help establish that will criteria because the code allows for us to do that.

very similarly to how we do administrative review of reds shall development projects and what comes your way versus what i'm able to approve because the threshold is low. that's all coming your way soon. it will be a lot and so i really encourage you to read your materials in advance because as much as we can go over in-person, it's going to make a lot more sense if you read your memo and all the background materials. final thing for everybody is just a quick. >> saphia: office update. unfortunately don't have a public update around our staffing. aside from a positive that it's moving along and it's a different phase than it was last time so hopefully we'll be fully staffed and i think no issues should be fully staffed bit end of the calender year and things have improved quite a bit since the return of our deputy director. and finally just physically we

are returning to work at our new work space 49 south (inaudible) and each of us as staff will be in the office two days a week and remote the rest. however, you know, if there's another meeting that is in-person and it's on your off day, it's assumption is you will be going in-person and really excited about it and we'll continue to keep you all posted as well as all of our permit holders relative to our public-facing permit center hours as well as our office hours. we'll no longer have a drop-in office but if should not shoes up on the front office we can bring them up and we'll have certain protocol and your vaccinations and who comes in. that also will include all of you. i loved to have a lot of you come to the new office space before you're end and so we can just see it and celebrate the

change because it's really beautiful space and so i'd love plan that wall of you and we'll be reaching outdone about that idea. that is it. does anyone have any questions? >> every other tuesday will be a day when everybody is in because it's commission hearings and we intend to go back to in-person at some point. that will be perfect to walk up to city hall for the hearings. we'll give you as much advance notice as we can. we certainly have learned a lot more over the last month or so in the limits around commission hearings and the ability to do a

hybrid which is not a thing. right now we're full virtual still until we move to full in-person so i'll keep you all posted. >> thank you. >> yeah. >> any holiday party plans? or we can't do it yet? >> no public update on that one yet but i would check in with president on that off line as soon as possible. >> president bleiman: we're working on meeting up somewhere. in some capacity. anymore questions? all right. is there any public comment on our directors report? >> let me flash the slide real quick. in case anyone didn't see it before?

and i'm checking right now and there's none. >> all right. let's go ahead and close this agenda item. moving along to item number 4 which is a report from our deputy director as a veto. >> thank you, president and good evening commissioners. here is the update this evening on our enforcement first and if you look at the report that i put in your folder for the weekend you will see that we had a total of 94 sound complaints come in since our last meeting. i want to highlight three of those for you but i'm happy to answer any questions about anything else that you may have. the first location that i'd like to highlight this evening is about the pearl. we recently received a handful of complaints about their rooftop entertainment now that the venue has reo i've been in

conversation with the owner and we believe the issue is because the business was closed during covid and some residents moved in when it was closed. now that it reopened, those residents are not used to the sound coming from the rooftop at pearl. i've reached out to the planning department because there's a new residential building on their block and i'm looking into whether or not the project plans for that residential building were submitted before chapter 116 for the rdc approval came into our purview and so i'm looking into that and regardless either way, they are going out to the pearl on thursday to take a sound reading and assess the situation and we plan to set a sound limit based on the closest sensitive receptors which is 13d to bring that to your attention because we haven't seen the pearl on our radar for some time and it's a by-product of covid now that the business has reopened. the next location to discuss this evening is edinburgh

castle. so you may recall i brought this up at the last hearings and you all advised we prioritize this location because our previous visits had demonstrated compliance however, we received eight complaints and 311 complaints and i received a number of e-mails since our last meeting sew i actually got one coming in late on saturday night and inspectors is in the field so i asked him to respond in real-time to check things out and upon arrival he did verify that they had a d.j. playing and it was really loud. he took a sound measurement which confirmed that they were in fact operating well above their sound limit seven des bills over and i mentioned that because we've been getting on going complaints about their something, right, so those low end base frequencies and it's also important to note that while he was there he spoke with an owner who was not familiar with their permit conditions and

they didn't know about their sound limit or the problems occurring and the good neighbor policy condition number one requires there's always someone on site who knows about the permit condition so because they were operating over there sound limit and because they didn't have a little ut on site, we did this could result in fort enforcement action. the final business to ask tonight is gisgalt. they have received eight complaints and a few e-mails as well and inspectors had visited them one time prior and they were in compliance until this last saturday and he went at 11:15 and they had a d.j. playing. they have an llp and they're only allowed to have live entertainment until 11:00. he took a sound reading which

showed them operating above their sound limit. so, we issued a citation to this business as well for the two violations and i want to mention that we've heard from a neighbor that this business plays music until about 6:00 in the morning and it's for the neighbors disruption and just yesterday ot an e-mail saying the music is blasting again so i issued the citation today and informed the business owner he needs to adhere to the sound limit all the time. even when pre-recorded music is playing and i let him know that if we continue to find the compliance it could result in enforcement action such as coming back before the commission and to recondition their llp permit or suspending the permit. happy to answer any questions if you have any. >> i see that sdm west is on

attracting attention for their rooftop. >> there was an event that they had so all of the complaints were specific to one event that they had it was an indoor and outdoor permit for the event however we did not set a sound limit at the event and so in conversation with management we let them know that prior to any future permits that we issue we will be coming out to set a sound limit. measuring, especially from the rooftop that they have measuring the closest sensitive receptors to ensure that they're following the sound limit. >> yeah, i remember like pre-covid, we were getting a lot of complaints from their rooftop staff and there are more residential people within easy air shot of that rooftop so i'm

concerned that the complaints will continue to go up unless they keep a lid on what they're doing out there. >> so they just, to confirm, kaitlyn, they only received, to your knowledge and dillon may recall too, they only received a jam for that one day for the outside? >> i can confirm, yes. >> ok. so, just a heads-up that anything in future for this premises they were willing to have outdoor events more regularly would need to opt for some other permit option or would likely fall under that one-time umbrella of needing to come to the commission for certain conditioning right for oversight and so this is one of those things that we've learned so much i just want to interject this in the last year-and-a-half around outdoor sound and we used to always permit everybody with 1050.16 which said that you

could not exceed ambient in 25050. in reality it does not work in a sense city unless you don't have neighbors around you. that's one of those locations where whoa hope to be able to do our leg work now and offer up appropriate conditions for your future. >> great, thank you. yeah and i feel like that 10 south van ness as i recall it's not, it's rental venue that they rent out for different events which often seems to lead to inconsistent, let's just say, sound management as well as being a rooftop in an area with increasing residential buildings like i think they're surrounded by construction at this point and that just seems like a recipe for conflict so yeah, it's something to keep an eye on

with future permits and applications. >> absolutely. thank you for flagging that for us. >> president bleiman: is there any public comment on this agenda item. >> flash the screen for a few seconds. i'm checking and there's none. >> president bleiman: we'll move along then. >> you are muted, president bleiman. >> president bleiman: that's not good. we'll close and move onto the next one which is number five, an update on our shared spaces program from robin abad.

>> any idea on the timing? >> president bleiman, do you want me to move forward with explaining this. >> he is aware. >> so, robin and his co presenter monica are not on zoom yet and if you would like to switch at again da items and make a motion. >> make a motion president bleiman. >> president bleiman: item number 6 ahead of item number 5? >> so moved. >> second. >> president bleiman: is there any public comment on that switch? >> there's none.

>> all right. then we can vote. >> clerk: president bleiman. aye [roll call vote] >> president bleiman: congratul. >> i'm going to bring in ben. >> this was -- technically, this is item number 6, which is a report on nightlife assistance.

>> with another nightlife business assistance update. let me share this screen here. great, can you see this? >> yes. >> awesome. just a couple of items to highlight this month. first off, on the state front, the california venue grant program which i discussed in a previous update this is a state grant program in many respects is similar to the shuttered venue operators grant program at the federal level. this is for independent venues and the promoters in the state of california. this is a 150 million-dollar program part of the state budget this year and it's open for application and open through

november 19th, 2021. interested venues and promoters should check out the website that i listed there for the program and hopefully because the federal grant program it's not a ton of additional paperwork and additional work it will be hosting a series of webinar around the van use program program so encouraging folks to check out those webinar and get into the governor signed into state legislation that i discussed in the past presentations and sb314, extending the temporary abc premises expansions for outdoor

alcohol service and sb389 extending take out cocktail service for restaurants. on the local front, the headlines local, but there's a federal employee retention tax credit that was created under the cares act and i think the number of folks in san francisco found that there's a need to get more information out to support local businesses and accessing this credit. tip of the hat to the small business commission for all of their advocacy on this front and the ertc is a tax credit that can provide businesses up to $33,000 per employee to keep employees on payroll and it can be used retroactively against passporters during the period march 13th of 2020 through the end of december this year. i will say that my understanding is the process to claim this tax credit can be complex and the

businesses are really encouraged to go to their c.p.a. and assistance and navigating this process and we have a resource page that answers a number of questions and provides a number of links to external assistance and support for businesses so it really encourage you folks to check out that page and access this tax credit. additionally, the storefront vandalism is available right now providing up to $2,000 for small businesses to prepare and people can apply right now. additionally, you may have seen the announcement yesterday about the launch the first year pre program it's a pilot program that waves first year permit, license and bed fees for new small business and more they're

going to get asked a series of questions to term they qualify so really a smooth race and immediately in this province if they do qualify and during this pilot program and finally the venue fund can accept on-line and i've got the link there and as i think maggie reported there's a second of grants in january of next year and so the

donation that's come in will go through that pot for second round of grants and we'll have more information about that second round of granting at a future hearing but we're excited they can accept on-line donations and i'm hoping to get the word out along with our venue partners about that opportunity. with that, that's all on my end but i'm happy to answer questions. >> president bleiman: other than visiting us, how are we doing

outreach to different venues on these items? >> sure. there's broad and narrow outreach and making sure all of the city news letters and city social media teams are aware of through the office of small business and through oewd channels as well which are a broader businesses and capturing folks and getting a second or third on these resources and then working with venue stakeholders to make sure they're aware of this as well so we've one of the silver linings of the pandemic has been increased and the venue communities and doing all that

have with all of you and existing with all of this stuff and people have had a deluge of information from every level of government about different resources and def programs and so it can be i'm sure it's exhausting to be on the receiving end and it's helpful to get information out as many different ways as possible and just in the hopes that people can understand how it is act on it and rolling timeline. >> any other questions? >> thank you, very much. is there any public comment on

this agenda item? >> >> i am checking and there is none. >> president bleiman: all right. we'll close public comment. thank you for joining us. we'll move along. are we ready yet for robin or do we need to do another -- >> yes, he is in the waiting room with monica. and i'm going to bring them both in. this is now agenda and number six for the official record. give me a few seconds.

robin should join us and then monica should be joining us momentarily. >> all right. you have robin and monica when you are ready to speak unmute yourself. >> wonderful. thank you for taking agenda items out of order and i appreciate that. it gave me a buffer to end family time and get to the commission hearings so i'm robin and the program director for the city shares space program joined by monica and the m.t.a. and we have a brief set of presentation

sites to update the commission on the current state of things with the shared spaces. i'll go ahead and share a screen. commissioners, are you able to see the pdf presentation? great. thank you for the thumbs up. >> robin, before you begin, i'm sorry, dillon, can you make sure to bring ben back in and it looks like he fell off. he is now anna tend'. >> absolutely. i'll do it right now. >> thank you. thank you. director. ben is very much part of the shared spaces team and advising us a lot on issues and we'll talk about some grant stuff as

well is that we've been working with. >> i meant president bleiman. [laughter] >> hiss former moniker. ben is gone. >> oh, man. >> president bleiman: i'm back! i'm back! >> we missed you. >> we need our commission president for sure for sure. >> ok. are we all set to go? so we'll talk about -- thank you p just quick recap when we go through all of this material quickly. a lot of this is material that you have already seen commissioners and some of the key topics will be the timeline for transitioning into this program that the board of supervisors legislated earlier this summer and then also grants opportunities and that we're setting up so i'll talk through sort of one and two and monica will talk about three and four

and i'll do five and six. as we know, shared spaces occur in the outdoors and the public realm on their many different agencies and jurisdictions that are involved in helping small businesses and these groups bring activity outdoors. we have a very robust history of doing public spacek tatationization and we've adapted a lot of those e. perments and the programs that have been going on for 10 years and it's easily adaptable to the demands of the covid era and with the board of legislation passed last year, a lot of these activations strategies are available to both non commercial or community uses and as well as

commercial and designed to help everyone recover. so i just wanted to touch on, this is the simple version of the graphic, believe it or not, it's been updated since we presented it last and should i just step back by saying that we all know that economic recovery is -- we know it's going to be an ongoing and continues to be an ongoing project and it's required it to be continually flexibility as a city program so a lot of these deadlines and targets have shifted around as we've gotten understand better and better what it will take help make sure that it's stable and in place and as small businesses in our neighborhoods.

the board of supervisors legislated for fee waiver and calender year 2022 for fees to start and as part of the unified license bill in so the legislation was specific about permitting fee going through 2022 it wasn't explicit about other types of shared spaces permits so there's for example, activation of parcels and parking lots surface parking lots or other private open spaces on parcel and it's a number of neighborhood groups have also had been banding together to temporarily close

streets for two or three days a week and so some good examples of that neighborhoods all around the city so parcel permits and private lot permits as well as are also being suspended through with the fee favor and with legislation the board of supervisors and the next set of arrows on our diagram here and it's also essentially extended the possibility for the pandemic version of the program and to spit through the end of the fiscal year through june of 2022 so that means that rules more, you might say relaxed rules and procedures and regulations that we have for things like mark let's could continue through the end of the fiscal year and we would wait until then until july to start enforcing acting on the

operating protocols and procedures and so that is what we're doing and because we know that a lot of the changes that folks would need to make in order to be compliant with the rules that are part of legislation would in tail capital investment, capital improvements and changes to existing sites and that all had the financial burden a pricetag and it's disruptive to operation and so it's our attempt to delay as much of that as possible to give small businesses maximum time to operate the full footprint, say the parklet under the pandemic rules and before the strict or ones and we can

talk about that and that is at the high level. we were also asking for a permit through the pandemic so far, what we've done is essentially mass renewed everyone and without asking folks to submit documentation and that they're still in business so as the current sets of shared spaces and pandemic expired which will happen at the end of this calender year on 1231 approaching that we're asking everyone who intends to operate to go ahead and submit a permit and then again to do so as we

approach the end of the fiscal year and we've been here issuing permits and when the pandemic program is over at end of june this year we'll issue permits and usually for a year at a time which is the typical permit who operate small businesses in san francisco and' permit for a year so we'll start july 2022. so some other things which monica will talk in a little bit more detail about in i moment the activity they've been doing out in the street and the corridor assessing sites and making sure that we have enough loading capacity encore dorees that were transit service has been reinstated and there's room for vehicles to move around

corridors as well as commuters board and the light transit vehicles and this does mean as we move towards a permanent program, that folks may have to in the case of parklets, potentially resize their parklet footprint and they have to restructure to meet life safety and ada and other requirements and some folks may have to relocate some people may have to remove entirely and great example of this is if you popped up in a bus boarding areas and were and am more people commuting to jobs around town and in places where there's parklets at decommissioned bus stops where those bus stops are being reinstate and we need to

relocate and shared spaces and monica will talk about the rules we have. >> great, thank you, robin. can you all hear me ok. it's my first time. good evening, i'm from the sfmta and we'll dig into the subside function and give a good introduction a moment ago and what this means and what it looks like and is timeframe of things, our team of sfmta went out this summer and visited all of san francisco commercial core doing and a comprehensive ser tay what is on the ground and at a time when we were just rapidly approving in the height of the emergency rapidly approving parklets and getting us a state

of what is actually on the ground and are there permits that are structures that are com compliant and where they used to be and they don't have a permit or they're coming back like robin stated so just to give an understanding of the state of things so that took several months of work compiling that assessment and with that going into the january permits expiring the end of this year going to january and renewing we have a better understanding of the states that we can begin and asking folks to potentially ring highs and location and restructure so, that all information is part of communications that we're starting this fall to get as much business owners as much advance notice as possible to let you know. we are at a coroner and you have

been tagged for daylighting for example so that's where the process of where we ask folks to move back from an intersection right up until the corner of an intersection and tone sure there's proper visibility for vision and safety and we do it all across the city but really with the forefront trying to address that and the top priority and yellow and white zones is another example in this photo where we may have approved parklet popped up when there was very around as active and demands and commercial corridor and bring back loading and concrete places so kind of all of that very complex sort of dance around and transit loading and parking and safety and a lot of work ahead of us so that is what it looks like and next

slide. i know it's complex and they can move forward so beyond that i want today speak a little bit about the emergency access complaints and accessibility compliance design and that is set our we'll get to clear path of travel and making sure eight feet where possible and minimum of six feet clearance and three foot gap and to ensure fire ladders and visibility access to buildings and 42-inch visibility and air flow above that space for emergency responders and clear address outside for emergency responders to see and materials and i showed on the middle right there and setback

from the bottom right areas so just kind of an example of the various high priority design elements that public works colleagues, our fire department colleagues and at this moment during the pandemic permits are the issue and it's even more lying russ program designs. so next size, i'll just talk about public access and pre-pandemic we had parklets, they were public always accepted with the public and now what we've seen pop up over the last year-and-a-half is a program and it's moveable parklet and we're hoping to see more and more when a business just puts out and

it's 24 hours a day for the members of the public and for a commercial business and non operation again they bring back that space and whatever it's designated as and the commercial parklet and it is there inform

all of these requirements and less the public parklet and when it's used by that business during commercial hours so take it back over to robin. >> thank you, monica. and so i have an update on grants and to let everyone know that we have round two grant applications and they're currently being accepted at sf.gov/shared dash space/equity. i'll say that one more properly. sf.gov/shared/spaces/equity of the a lot of the changes capital

investments and investments in furniture and other elements we know will require and the materials and so we open up another round of rents that can be available for these and to reimburse for things like furnishings, reconfiguring planters and barricades and diverters. to contextualize where we are with that and we're in the process of wrapping up round one which is actually announced last november believe it or not and there were i think about $100,000 in round one that went out to shared spaces operators throughout the city neighborhoods and with particular focus on equity neighborhoods which i'll talk about. they have opened up applications are actually due on 12/31 not

111/30 so i need to update this and so we have the right date to reference in the slides. critically, we are working with on a round of arts and culture activation grants and the purpose of this is to we're to get grant funding into the hands of artist and musicians approximate performers whereas, previous grant rounds and the current round two grants go to shared spaces operators, these are small businesses, quite often, you know, cafe owners and restaurants were round three is going to focus on getting funding and grants to artists to activate shared spaces through out the city so please accept more on that soon hopefully before the end of the year.

we'll have more details to share and with the arts commission about those programs. so far to individual shared spaces, operators or permities through out the city, i think i misspoke earlier, in round one we have disbursed over three quarters of a million dollars in assistance that is gone directly to small business operators and sometimes through a non-profit partner who then helps to get these funds to small business so a significant amount of funding over the last year that has been disbursed thanks to budget allocations that the board made that mayor breen made as well as riel occasions of funding that the office of economic and workforce development had for projects that why no longer viable after covid hit so those

funds were repurposed and helped with this round one distribution. there's been a lot of curiosity about how the city goes about actually selecting recipients for these grants and we all know, we don't have enough money to give to everyone to fund all of their needs. thighs are the metrics we use and the order of press a dents and we'll look at visuals into mapping that explain this geographically but we look at geography and areas of the cities that have been hardest hit by covid-19 so that is both infection rates as well as fatalities and we also add another layer of looking at neighborhoods that have higher densities of our cities' most vulnerable populations including seniors, youth, people with

disabilities and it was developed by dph and the planning department called the areas of vulnerability so it's how we identify geography where grant funds should and could be directed. we look at you establish cultural districts or cultural districts that are also in formation should i say as well as registered legacy businesses and we look at businesses that are generally below a certain threshold in gross receipts. you might have a part of this city for example that by many measures is a vulnerable neighborhood and high incidents covid impacts so another filter that we apply making sure that the funds are hitting the segment that could potentially use it most is by putting a cap

on those receipts. also, the shared spaces equity grants program is not the only assistance program that the city has put in place during covid. i'm glad to say that the city has really thought about a number of different assistance programs including sf shines amongst many others and so we do look to see whether or not a business has received a lot of other grants and assistance because in general we want to make sure that the city is assistance getting spread out and having us brought an impact of possible. so, here is just how areas of vulnerability through our d.p.h. department of analysis looks like when we talked about neighborhoods and san francisco and when you over lay where we have tracked covid impacts with deaths there's areas of the city that show up as having general.

we have grant applications and trying to make a selection of awards. so to quickly recap and then we're going to step back because i'm sure there are questions from the commission as well as the public. compliance grants are open. we hg to sf.gov/shared/spaces equity to a reply for anyone who is lining. we'll also be undertaking a in-person kind of neighborhood outreach effort in language. [please stand by]

by the end of this year, by december 31st, we are to reapply for the shared spaces. but i just heard that you guys are going to be -- maybe with

all the information, are you guys going to be -- nothing has changed. if we wanted to rea ply or the -- reapply or the public wants to reapply can you use the same information that was submitted previously? or will there be a checklist, like, do you want to reapply for your shared spaces and if you do, you have new information or updated information, you can send us, will you be doing any of that? or do you expect all the applicants to start from scratch? >> thank you, that's a great question, commissioner. we do need everyone to submit a fresh application and so probably ask you questions we asked a year or more ago the first time you applied. that is really important for us because a lot has happened in the last year, year and a half.

a lot of businesses have gone out of business. we need to make sure that we do a reset across the entire program and with everyone participating in the program to make sure we have the best information and best data so as we know toward a new program, we know where everyone is, how big their operations are. is it's really important to submit a fresh application. the application takes only 10 minutes. we're not applying for a federal grant here. this is a really straightforward and streamlined application submittal process. so for those folks in the public who might be listening or other small business owners, know that, you know, it's a lot of basic information that you submitted to us previously with some new questions, but it's really important that everyone follow through with that. >> okay. so, photos and the whole thing

that we did before. okay. how much time -- now, when you're talking about going out to inspect these parklets and they might be, like you say, obvious wrong locations because of the bus. but we've been hearing from various merchants that some people have been coming by and saying you're about six inches off. and you have to -- you obviously reconstruct this or move it along or push it up a little bit, or whatever they have to do. how much time from the notice will you give these people to fix the parklet? -- to be in compliance? >> i think -- it depends on why the parklet needs to be fixed. and i think maybe i'll hand it over to monica who can talk about the curb management

regions. undertake one of the three rs and maybe i can follow up on monica with other scenarios. >> sure, sure. so, if i understand your question correctly, it sounds like -- [indiscernible] -- you're being asked to six inches. another example is because you're too close to the corner. so with that, it's so complicated because every reason has a different process, for daylighting for example, we let people know. we assessed it. several months that you would know in advance if you're in a high-injury network corridor, which is a higher priority, we would be tackling those first. so we'd have a shorter deadline of earlier in the year that we

would start going out and paint it red. in that example, the notice would be maybe two months from now until the beginning of the year and you would get at least a 30-day notice when you're getting close to -- and the clearance needs to happen. so, two, three, four, maybe five months. it's probably going to be early spring. so it's a range for that example. for color curb, that is another reason we may ask someone to shift. you're in a yellow zone, you need to shift back half of the structure to a green zone. in that example, we would be looking at spring more like march time.

[indiscernible] we identified this issue and then in spring, you would be -- make that revision so we can begin implementing the color -- [indiscernible] everything depending on what it is can have a different ample notice, two, three, four, five months head start. i can't speak to fire department. robin may want to jump in if it was a fire department spec. [indiscernible] site feasibility. >> yeah, i think when we understand, there are so many different inspectors. fire, d.p.w., you know, everybody has -- so when you guys have these enforcement issues, do you guys all get together? or i mean is the fire department going to give the same amount of time as the sfmta? or are they going to say you have to move in 30 days or your

going to get a ticket, you know? it takes time to dismantle or move these things. they're not like, you know, you can just unscrew it with a screw gun. so i just want to make sure that the public knows -- or for small business, it's a shock that they have to move these things. they have ample time to do so before any real hard core enforcement comes down. >> absolutely. and to answer the question about process and procedure, yes, the departments, especially those who have enforcement jurisdiction and enforcement mandate, we meet regularly. so that the fire department, the sfmta, dpw, the mayor's office on disability, we're all aware of what the issues are. that every jurisdiction has with a particular site. our strategy moving forward is to communicate with sites that

need to undertake some modifications in a coordinated fashion. so, you know, in the old days what might happen to a parklet sponsor, the fire department comes one day and slaps a notice on your window and then maybe dpw comes a couple of days later and does the same thing. you might have communication from the m.t.a. and all those are to make your site safe and accessible. we know that is distressing to operators and it's not going to help all of us get the outcome that we want, which is a safe and accessible parklet site. so shortly, folks will start to receive notices and get a single packet. it will be developed, a cover sheet that explains what issue needs to be tackled. what are most urgent and which can wait until july. we're trying to equip all

parklet sponsors, in particular, with all the information they'll need to make decisions. some parklet sponsors want to handle all the issues now and handle those things they need fixed by july because for them it makes financial sense to perform all the changes and execute all the changes at the same time. some parklet sponsors are probably going to want to phase their implementation and phase the tweaks to their site and their operations over the course of the next six or more months. and that's also total fine. so the -- totally fine. so moving forward, the departments have been working hard to coordinate on this. if you need to resize, move, change something, tweak your setup, you'll be receiving that as part of a single packet that can help you. some things that are urgent and

board was very clear -- the board of supervisors was very clear about this in the legislation that they passed in july -- even if we are extending the pandemic version of the program through july 2022, or june 2022, that they wanted the city and the city departments to start responding immediately to any design or operation issues related to disability access and emergency access. so some of the notices that have gone out and will start going out in bigger volume are about making sure that they're ada accessible. making sure we have clearance around fire hydrants and fire escapes. a lot of the parklets that popped up during the pandemic impacted our first responders, our paramedics, our fire

departments' ability to respond to emergencies. so those things we have to address immediately and that's what this notice packet will explain. other things can wait until later in the year. >> okay, yeah, i think just give them, you know, i'm sure they all want to comply, you know, it's we've been hearing some stuff, you know, that they have two weeks to get it done, you know. you know, i mean, there has to be a little bit of reason. okay. as long as the departments are minded that some of these mom and pop, they have to hire someone to do it. i'm glad the city is allowing them to have them. but these changes are abrupt and it's still stressful. we're still not 50% capacity as far as attendance goes. so they're still kind of stretched out. thank you for the information.

>> questions from other commissioners? i don't want to belabor this, because, robin, we've spoken. i want to reiterate some things. i thought commissioner lee was spot on. you know this some of these notices, they're very scary. i've seen a lot of them. and they're -- they say if you don't have this done in the following days you're going to get a $250 fine. first day, $300 and then whatever it is and it's scary. the one thing that i'm nervous about that the january 1st timeline doesn't necessarily take into account the ability to get contractors between now and the holidays.

it's a very cliched time to get workers and contractors. i want to go on the record and say between now and january 1st, there is probably one full month to get a worker to do anything. they often take that month off, it's raining, et cetera. so my fear is that somebody is going to get one of these heavy-handed things, they're in a bad mood that day, they want to enforce and then the parklet owner who barely just survived a pandemic is actually going to start getting fined daily per the words on the violation when they're trying desperately to find a contractor, et cetera. so it just sets up a dangerous situation. i do agree with commissioner lee, i think everybody -- almost everybody is going to be exited to getting into -- committed into getting in compliance. one more question. just for the record, robin.

when we know receive one of these. what should we do? what should they do? >> great question, president. the new notices are going to be much clearer than they have been about who to contact if you have a question. and they'll be much clearer about by when do you want to try and have something addressed. and also the notice references parts of the shared spaces manual, so, for example, if this is like a fire safety roof issue, right, it will say please make sure to fix your roof because it's an issue for us to be able to do effective fire-fighting. see this page in the manual. earlier we gave sample graphics

from the manual what an ideal situation is for the fire-fighting personnel to be able to maneuver. so we really hope that the coordinated communications and the streamline communications are clearer and less stressful. nobody wants to create more stress for business owners who have gone through so much this year. it's our collective goal at the city department to help people do what they need to do. i can't speak for the fire department. the fire marshal isn't with us this evening. he frequently joins us with these presentations, but i can tell you that he and his team are -- you know, they want to work with parklet sponsors, help explain, come up with solutions and figure out how configuration can happen. it's up to the discretion of the department whether they're going to actually charge a fine. so it's something in the code

that we cite that the city has legal resources to charge a fine, right, but in my experience and to my knowledge, the work that the fire department has been doing with the parklet sponsors and the willingness of parklet sponsors to do what is right has been going well so far. so we're going to continue along in that vein. and monica and i are always open to feedback. we're here to hear that and help address it. >> president bleiman: one more question. on the slide that you had about all the changes that are coming up, that really nice slide, i like that one. i didn't see the three-feet setback from the parking hash marks. is that still in this? maybe i missed it? >> yeah, i can actually reshare

that screen. i believe this is the slide you were talking about. >> president bleiman: yeah. >> so that's referring to a requirement in the shared spaces manual that park letts need to be set -- parklets need to be set back from the inset from the ends about three feet from the parking stall markings. the president is right that is not viselized here. -- visualized here. setbacks are something that the fire department and m.t.a. and the planning department really want and need. that helps paramedics get gurneys from the street and ambulance in the street on to the sidewalk, in and out. they also allow for fire department personnel to move more easily, again, to perform ladder operations. and they also provide more maneuvering room, for example,

when a parklet is next to an active parking space. or a loading zone and trucks and vehicles are pulling in and out all day long. to be set back from the edge of the marked parking stall is a design requirement we've had for many years in san francisco, 10 years in the parklet program. it's important to have that physical open buffer space. i believe what i can do is throw a link in the chat and cite the page in the parklet manual where there is visualized. at this time, the fire department has indicated that they do not need parklet sponsors to set back from the ends of the marked parking stall until the end of the fiscal year when the pandemic program ends. so that's not a type of restructuring that needs to happen tomorrow. rather, it's something that the fire department is amenable to delaying implementation until, you know, after the holidays into the summer.

>> president bleiman: all right, thanks. appreciate your time. any more questions? we have a lot of agenda items coming up. thank you for coming in. thank you for all the work you've done here. i know how hard it's been. on behalf of the commission, we thank you. any public comment on this agenda item? >> we have one person with their hand raised. i'm going to bring them in. barry toronto, and then i'll flash the slide momentarily. barry, if you can hear us unmute yourself and you have two minutes. >> thank you. that was a great, great presentation by robin. but there are problems with this -- with the continuation of how they're doing shared spaces. for one, they took away a major cab stand in the castro and it took four months to find another

location. however, it's an insufficient location. so mr. abad, you have destroyed the taxi industry in one fell swoop. not you personally, but this program, because that cab stand is not enforceable. at night, in the castro, it's busy with bars and restaurants, there is a cab stand that we needed and the sausage factory took over our working cab stand. it took years to implement and now after all those years because most of the time at night, private cars are sitting in our cab stand and enforcement is nil. so, it has become a hassle. and then not only that, but the homeless people like to hang out -- like this hang out in front of the walgreens and they start interfering with you trying to get someone out of the cab stand and you're honking to get them out so we can stay in the

castro. you don't tell me that the castro is one of the busiest parts of the city and there has to be a cab stand for us to -- unfortunately, mr. abad, and your staff, need to help us -- >> you have 30 seconds. >> okay, thank you. -- clear and the other part, they're a major bus route. the 24th. divisadero street, we have to pick up people and block the lanes of traffic, possibly two lanes of traffic. where there are major bus lines, you have to look at these shared spaces that are actually into the traffic lane. there are many of them into the traffic lane. >> time is up, thank you very much, sir. >> thank you. >> president bleiman: thank you, any more public comment? >> i apologize, i did not flash the screen. i will do that momentarily. for a few seconds.

i'm checking and there is none. >> president bleiman: all right. we'll close public comment on this. thank you for coming in. we'll continue with the commissioner hearing and on ward and upward. shared spaces. all right. the next agenda item is -- hold on, sorry -- number 7, hearing and possible action regarding applications for permits under the jurisdiction of the entertainment commission and i'll ask the deputy director to address the consent agenda first. >> thank you. we just one permit on the consent agenda and it's for a limited life performance for sool bar and lounge. there is no opposition or added

conditions to this permit application, so the staff recommend days is for the commission -- recommendation is for the commission to vote to approve the agenda with the staff with the good neighbor policy. >> president bleiman: okay. any questions from commissioners before we get public comment? all right. is there any public comment on this item on the consent calendar? >> checking. there is none. >> president bleiman: all right. then i believe we can vote. >> i'll raise a motion to approve. >> second. >> president bleiman: all right. now we can vote. >> all right. hold on. >> president bleiman: aye. >> commissioner caminong: aye. >> commissioner falzon: aye.

>> commissioner lee: aye. >> commissioner thomas: aye. >> commissioner wang: aye. >> all right. >> president bleiman: all right, congratulations to the individuals on the consent agenda. and now we'll get into the regular agenda items. i will ask the deputy director to introduce these as well. >> great. the first application on the regular agenda is for a place of entertainment permit with outdoor amplified sound for the record store, located at 177 eddy street. the new owner of the record store is revamping the whole space and will offer karaoke as well as other live entertainment, including d.j.s and bands. it includes amplified sound until 10:00 p.m. to play to the outside diners. since the applicant is only

requesting preordered amplify sound and the receptor is within 100 feet, they set the sound limit at 50 feet from the property plane. lastly, the extended hours permit is to provide late night music, likely a d.j. to the patrons. the owner has partnered with a chef who will offer hearty options. they personally spoke with the hotel managers and commercial stores on the block. they also contacted a number ofs or organizations. there was no opposition for the limit and tenderloin approved the permit. here to talk to you is the owner, rick haynes, and he is

represented by mark rennie. >> should i bring both rick and mark? >> yeah, i think so. >> great, stand by. >> mark, if you could please raise the hand of the account you want us to bring in? if you can't, i'll just bring them all in. >> for the record, there are three mark rennies, three different devices right now. >> thank you, mark. i see you and i'm going to bring you in momentarily. all right. they are in.

all right. rick and mark, you are in. if you want to unmute yourself to speak, thank you. >> can you hear me? >> yep. >> trying to get -- there we go. cool. commissioners, good evening. good to be here tonight. this is sort of an interesting project. it's actually -- rick, of course, is -- >> all of us, mr. rennie. >> maybe i should change it. >> maybe you did that on purpose. >> that's right. >> oh, that's better. >> there is a slight echo. i don't know if one of your 17 devices might also be taking in the sound. >> that may -- >> mark, you're doing a great job right now. [laughter]. >> thanks. >> i want to try something, but do these pictures show up? oh, they do.

this is a mural on the front of the record store. this is located at -- i'm going to get rid of the zoom over here, sorry, guys, because it's driving me crazy, too. rick is with us tonight. we had a bar at 251 rhode island, the old mercer place, it closed with covid and when the tekkie kids moved out the neighborhood, rick decided to move the license down to 177 e-eddie. this was the old pandora karaoke spot. pandora moved over to 50 mason

street in a slightly larger space. this sat vacant. there was a notice of violation on the property and so we agreed with the landlord we would make the n.o.v. go away if he would give us a lease on the premises and it's been quite a nightmare and cost overrun, but i'm happy to say that as of today, we got signed off by the building department, the fire department, the electrical department, and everybody on the n.o.v., so several of the inspections on entertainment were waiting on signoffs from the n.o.v. and we now have those. i'm kind of excited about this project. it's pretty crazy. this block on eddy street, it's between taylor and mason.

it is problematic at times. however, we have right next to the door where i showed you is a parking lot. and what i learned from the black cat, which is on a worse corner a couple of blocks away, is that people take lyft and über, they get outside the security on the street. good lighting and they walk in the place and it hasn't hurt the black cat. so i have a feeling this is going to be very successful. basically, you don't have to rent $30 an hour karaoke setup, you can bring eight or 10 of your friends down, book a room. the rooms are pretty incredible. rick and the crew, he hired a

bunch of artists to -- here's a good one. excuse me. that's the tiki room. and they -- you have sports rooms. you know, you get these murals on the walls. they hold between 7 and 10 people. apologize. i just went away. excuse me. they hold 7 to 10 people in a covid environment and we thought about this, in west vegas, the only nightclub that wasn't closed during covid was a club similar to this. it was private rooms, karaoke. they let them stay open with nine people or less. so you can walk into the premises with a mask on, go to

our own private lounge, dining room, and take your mask off with your friends and have a good night. we're trying to do value proposition. if you had a chance to look at the menus that we put out. for about $10 you can get a soft drink and some chicken. one of the things we were trying to do is really enhance the restaurant revenue, because there used to be five or six restaurants downtown open after 2:00 a.m. and there are -- other than the pine hurst which has an hour wait and long line, there are no late-night eateries in this part of town. so what we're trying to do is get people who are hungry to come over. at that point, we may or may not have a cover charge. but we will serve food up until

we close. if we can serve it until 5:00 in the morning, so be it, that's what we want to do. >> somebody has background noise that is incredibly loud. i'm not sure if it's rick or mark. >> is it me? >> i can hear it. >> i don't have any noise. >> it's like a tv or -- sounds like cheering. >> let me try -- you can try muting while mark is talking. just unmute if you want to mention something. i want to hear about it, but it's a little distracting. >> sfgovtv said it was rick. sorry, rick. >> there you go. >> thoroughly enjoying the presentation. i really don't want to miss anything. it's been a year since i heard one of his monologues.

[laughter]. >> come on! >> yep. >> i'm into that. i kind of missed his monologues actually. there are 10 private dining rooms. the space is 4,000 square feet. there is a large lounge and common dining area. i'll give you another idea. all these private lounges are pretty cool. and this is a club that is made for a well known local nightclub guy who is going to hang out there. >> can i say something? >> sure. >> so, i moved from 251 rhode island where i was trying to create a type of rock bar experience with video mapping and stuff like that. and really kind of finish that up. there is a main bar area for

eating and stuff in this place. but it is video mapped completely and it's like a rock bar experience. inside the place, it's between 70s, 80s, retro rock photos. and then on the walls when we play the video mapping, the walls are mapped. inside of all the frames, it changes and it's different rock stars. jimi hendrix, led zeppelin, all kinds of different guys and we play that kind of music in the bar. and it's kind of like a retro bar rough bar scene. all throughout the place. as you can see some of the rooms are like 70s type rooms. there are different themes. so when you come in, it's like looking at tables. so on our site you'll book a table to eat and drink between this hour and this hour. you can bring your group of people. there is a bar minimum or a food

minimum, but there is no cover charge or anything like that. so you would, you know, go on, book the table from 9, 10, 11. take the group, then we sanitize for the next set of guests and it would show up on the site that you could book it later. i wanted to give you guys an idea of what the place is. go ahead, mark, i'm sorry. >> rick has a -- >> i'm going to mute. >> okay. rick is an owner in a successful place called retro junkie over in walnut creek which is very popular. 70s and 80s theme bar. he's going to have similar music. the crowd tends to be 25 to 45. just given the demographics of the music. what i like about it -- and i'll try one more of these pictures

-- here's the main bar. but every frame -- you can't see it, sorry -- every frame it just changes. and it's very deceptive because you've got -- it's all video map. it's beautiful. some of these rooms -- and rick has been over the last week or so -- a couple more, and i'm shocked at how beautiful these are. there are some beautiful photographs. icons from that era. what we're trying to do is do a volume proposition. get people in there eating. we have a joint venture going with the crispy chicken upstairs that has a full kitchen. the kitchen was upstairs and there was a restaurant upstairs, the downstairs was lounge and karaoke. but we're basically trying to serve a lot of food, trying to do it at a value, trying to be

open from 5:00 every night and stay open as long as we can serve late-night food. and unlike the bottle service bars where you sit down you're going to pay $300, this is more like you have $30, $40 per hour drink minimum or food minimum. so, the goal is to change the neighborhood, you know, work -- it's close to -- the neighborhood is interesting because you're about -- you're close to mason street. you're close to hotel. the problem is once you cross the demarcation line on mason street, it gets a little rough. we're going to have good security out front. i think it's going to add eyes to the street. i think it's going to make the street safer.

i know the people across the street, they're excited. i haven't had a chance to talk to dan williams. he's not on my outreach list. but it's around the corner and our two buildings conjoin, but you have to walk around the block to get to it. and i think this place is going to be very interesting, because i think it's going to make it -- i think it's got a good -- it's got a good sort of post-koedpos covid. you can have food, beers and hang out with your friends. i'm excited about it. if you have any questions, the outreach, we've been doing a lot of outreach. there are few people we haven't reached, but you have a list of the outreach. we've gotten most of the signoffs we've had are fire

signoff on thursday when aaron -- abc is about ready to go. we have to just get a little more kitchen equipment in the downstairs and hopefully we're going to be open in two or three weeks. what i'm asking for tonight is obviously a tentative grant. if you have any questions, probably rick is better equipped to answer them. >> president bleiman: questions? >> it sounds good. it was the old 181 before. now it's pandora. that is a challenging street. the parking lot is still open across the street, correct? >> correct. >> did they light it up? it's been dark. >> no, the parking lot is now a building and it has a store underneath it. a brand new grocery store. >> no, no, no, rick, they're

talking about the adjacent parking lot. >> no there -- i think they're talking about the huge parking lot that used to be across the street. it's gone. it's a high-rise building now. >> it's a tmdc building with a community market. there is within 10 feet of our door, however, is a second parking lot between our door and mason street which holds -- how many cars does that hold, rick? probably, 40, 50, 60. as you know, most people don't drive. they take lyft and uber. >> 60 to 70 cars. >> and we've been talking to the owner of the parking lot. he's going to keep it open late for us as long as there is business. i think it's going to be safe. our concern is getting people in and out of the place safely, especially at night, like i say, it's not the nicest

neighborhood. but i think it's close to downtown. and i think we got a good rent on it and it's a beautiful space. the equipment -- every room has a strobe in it. it's fully sprinkled strobes in every room, centrally monitored fire alarm. the upstairs was a thousand-person nightclub called polyester. and the 181 club. and officer and i have history with 181. i want everyone to understand that 181 was a massive place. it was upstairs. this is just the basement of 181. 181 is not in occupancy. it was citadel. now it's not occupied. this is just the basement like are 4500 square feet.

i think that 181 held, you know, a lot of people. and had, you know, maybe -- i don't know probably 12,000, 13,000 square feet. we're just down below. >> when it was pandora, the rooms that they built there, it's perfect for the concept you're tying to explain. i think it's cool. you definitely have to light up the front. you have to have your security walking up and down. you're going to get guys -- it's really tricky right now, especially after a pandemic. the concept, it's kind of aggressive, but it's kind of cool. i mean, a black cat -- if black cat can survive in that neighborhood and have great customers, i'm pretty sure you can do it. 181 was ahead of its time. the neighborhood wasn't as challenging then, but it can be

done. my thing is, what are you going to be play? each room has its own karaoke? >> how it works, each room -- so, if we have music, it's wired into the rooms. each room has 60-inch tv and speakers. you can choose on your remote if you want to watch the d.j. play. we won't have one most of the time. you can watch our advise cal wals, you're music, you play a video game. many of the rooms don't have karaoke, maybe four of them. but you have a variety of things you can do. just like if you were home. you can call the waitress service. you can order online and we bring your food or drinks to the

rooms. and you have your own private events. i've been there three months working on that street. it's very add. sometimes it's really cool because of the door across the street has mellow and sometimes it's really aggressive, especially on the weekends. it can get aggressive out there. and we've been cleaning up the front of the street like every other day now and just trying to meet everybody there. and make friends. and, you know, a lot of people on that street are from the s.ro.s on the street, which i've met three of the people at the sros and a lot of them, they come out and they're hanging on the street, whether they're playing dice, doing this, doing that. whatever they're doing. but then the weekends, you get the people circling around from outside of san francisco. and it makes it more aggressive there, you know. we've been really taking a good look at it, but it's actually a

lot better than a lot of the blocks now. so >> rick, so i'm just curious, so you want 4:00 or 5:00 after hours. i know you're serving food and everything, but i mean, you got to really make -- i mean, pinecrest. they did great, if you could provide another space for food, but obviously you're going to be selling soft drinks. >> yeah. we're thinking of having d.j.s late at night, though. >> okay. >>, you know, having d.j. music, a cool environment for everybody to come when they're done with the night clubs. they can hang out, get food. all the industry people, they can get food, hang out and chill when they get off work. there is no place for anybody to do that right now. right? >> well, anyway that's it --

>> i don't know of anywhere. >> i mean -- >> okay. >> that's cool. i mean, it's operation-wise it's very simple. i hope you have a great chef. i know commissioner falzon -- i'll let you guys talk. >> it might surprise you. my first reaction is we're dying for a legitimate after hours place to hang out at. i'm sure randy's pacemaker is going crazy right now. but seriously, i want to thank rennie for giving a history of that address, because it made me feel very old. joking aside, you know, rick, i looked at your stuff, you know -- >> rick, can you mute again, rick? >> thanks, rick. >> yeah, you're definitely the

background noise. all i was going to say, i looked at your business model. i think you're offering something unique to the city right now. i think we're in serious recovery right now. i think as a commission we need to be aggressive about our decision-making. i want to wish you all the luck in the world. that might shock mr. lee. >> times have changed, huh? >> yes, they have. >> question. >> thank you. all right, i'm not hearing any other questions. i don't have any other questions. this is a fascinating project. it sounds like it's definitely outside of the box and i like that. and i like people bringing new interesting concepts to the city personally. any public comment on this agenda item? >> i'm going to flash the screen. we do have one person with their hand raised.

barry toronto. barry, if you want to unmute yourself. you have two minutes for public comment. >> hey, yeah. i know -- first time i've been able to follow a meeting in a long time and participating. i think mr. rennie should know better than to leave out taxis. people are taking taxis late at night and increasing frequency because people are tired of uber and lyft, not knowing where they're going and their surge pricing is out of this world. so i don't know why he left out that taxis should also be included as part of the transportation to and from the new nightclub. because 181 has a big -- i used to go and watch in the early 80s, i used to watch live music there. it was a great place for

transgender people to go for entertainment as well. so it was a big loss when that original nightclub closed. so it would be great to see a good use for that space. but i am concerned about whether they're going to allow for the white zone to pick up and drop off. it is a challenging block. and it would be best they make sure they have a space rather than force people to double-park in the middle of the street. even though it is -- i believe it's one way from that way -- no, it's two-way, that block is two-way. so anyway, thank you very much and good luck with the space. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. may i -- >> any public comment on this? we don't respond to public comment. >> okay, we don't. >> there is none. >> hearing none, i'm going to close public comment. do we want to have a discussion about this?

any thoughts, any motions? >> i'm ready for a motion. >> go for it. >> my motion is that we approve with staff recommended conditions. >> i second. >> all right. we have a motion. we can vote. >> all right. >> president bleiman: aye. >> commissioner caminong: aye. >> commissioner falzon: aye. >> commissioner lee: aye. >> commissioner thomas: aye. >> commissioner wang: aye. >> president bleiman: i am solo parenting right now. bath is final. congratulations. everybody else, rick and mark,

please follow up with our staff. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thanks, guys. >> rick, i'll call you. >> thank you. >> all right. stay safe. i'll turn things back over to the deputy director. >> thanks president. the final permit is for a place of entertainment at tai-sho located at 1161 post street. they held a p.o.e. permit there previously. they will be a full restaurant and bar with private karaoke room. the applicant conducted neighborhood outreach that is included in the file to all the businesses within a two-block radius from them. they had a letter posted on the outside of the building. they approved the permit and there was no added conditions or

opposition. here to talk to you is the owner nick honda. >> is darryl honda -- >> okay. welcome. >> good evening. president, commissioners. oh,my name is darryl honda. i'm the manager. i'm with my general manager mark. and sorry my screen is on the back. what am i doing here? so, basically the -- the restaurant was a pre-existing business for the last 21 years, owned and operated by mr. and mrs. ja. we purchased the building and

the business in whole. we're going to continue the business in the same fashion they did. we also are only applying for the beer, wine and license, we're not going tore the hard alcohol license. the building is approximately 8200 square feet. other than painting, we've left the building in its original shape. it is fully ada on all three levels. we have two egress on all three levels. we've had our fire permit, building inspection and our health certificate approved thursday. >> questions? more detail that we need? >> i'm sorry? >> i mean, basically, it's been a restaurant and karaoke bar for a long time. it's great that it's going to reopen again.

i don't have any specific questions. it's just basically a restaurant with karaoke, so i'm cool. i have no -- i mean it's not a dance club or anything, so i have nothing to say [laughter]. sorry. >> anybody else have comments, questions? all right. yeah, this one is straightforward for me, too. i don't have anything spectacular to add to this conversation. thanks for the presentation, guys. >> sorry, i couldn't be as entertaining as mark rennie. >> yeah. >> there is only one mark rennie, thank god. >> i will say you were a little more succinct. >> we appreciate your brevity. >> i appreciate you guys giving up your tuesday evening to hear me. so thank you very much for your

service. >> fantastic. any public comment on this agenda item? >> i'll flash the screen. courtesy for a few seconds. there is none. >> president bleiman: all right. let's close public comment. any motion? >> i move to approve with staff recommendations. >> second. >> president bleiman: all right. we have a motion. we can vote. >> president bleiman: aye. >> commissioner caminong: aye. >> commissioner falzon: aye. >> commissioner lee: aye. >> commissioner thomas: aye. >> commissioner wang: aye. >> congratulations, guys. >> thank you, commissioners. i did miss al not being here

this evening. [laughter] >> he'll be back. it's a clerical error. >> i learned quite a bit by listening to the hearing this evening. oh, my goodness. >> think we just sit around? >> yeah [laughter]. >> all right, thanks, guys. >> thank you. >> all right. and we are on to the final agenda item of the evening. commissioners comments and questions. please, commissioners thomas. >> commissioner thomas: this is bringing up sort of an old issue, but the issue around accidental drug overdose and things that venues can do to ensure that staff are trained and recognize overdoses. i've been hearing from a few folks in the night life community who have been trying to incorporate safety messages

into performances and working to get venue staff trained. so, my conversations with one of them, i said i would bring up the possibility -- i know that we've sponsored training both at our summit and through dylan's network, but just sort of bringing that back around obviously overdoses are continuing to be a significant public health threat in san francisco. we've lost more people to drug overdose than covid since the beginning of the pandemic. i'd be happy to work to coordinate both either materials or training. there are lots of good online trainings now that are probably easier for people to access. so just bringing that back up to engage with business owners to

ensure that staff are trained, that bars are stocking naloxone. just that we're reaching people that we can reach. >> fantastic. >> hey, if i can ask a question. this is just a float out there. could we ever impose a condition to require having that on site? i wonder if that is something we would have to ask the city attorney. that would be very progressive. >> it would, you know, we do require ear plugs and water for example, free water. and those are both similarly harm reduction strategies. >> absolutely. >> -- that are in our code. and are required. we could -- i mean my preference would be to, you know, encourage and incentivize pleases, but i -- places, but i certainly would not be averse to mandating some

form of training or stocking naloxone in a venue if they're going to have a place of entertainment format. i'm hesitant to add requirements on venues particularly right now in the pandemic, but i'm also concerned about the health and well-being of people who are going out and going to entertainment venues. >> i love that idea and i'm happy to talk to our city attorney about it. and then come back to you all with what the trigger point could be if we could potentially add that to code, because as you said, ear plugs and water, it's not something we can issue a permit on, we just have it -- >> ear plugs and water is not part of the good neighbor? >> it not. it's in code. actually, i think you can do a much better job of even