. >> clerk: yes. sfgov, can you confirm we are

. >> chairman: good morning. and welcome to the rules committee of the san francisco board of supervisors for today, november 8th, 2021. i am the chair of the committee joined by supervisor mandelman and supervisor chan. our clerk is mr. victor young. mr. young, do you have any announcements? >> clerk: yes. members participating in the meeting. public access at city service is essential and invites public participation in the following ways. public comment will be available on each item on this agenda either channel 26, 78,

99 and sfgovtv.org. each speaker will be allowed two minutes to speak. comments are opportunities to speak during public comment period by calling 4156550001. the meeting id is 2489202227 then press pound and pound again. you will be muted and in listening mode only. when your item of interest comes up, dial star three to be added to the speaker line. and turn down your television or radio. alternatively, you may submit public comment in either of the following ways. e-mailing myself, the rules committee clerk. if you submit public comment by e-mail, it will be forwarded to the supervisors and included in the file. written comments will be sent to us by a u.s. postal service,

can be sent to us by a u.s. postal service that completes my initial comments. >> chairman: thank you, mr. clerk. can you please read item number one. >> clerk: yes. item number one. private entities to provide supplemental law enforcement services. there is a committee report. >> chairman: thank you, colleagues, we to this item last week. supervisor safai, the floor is yours. >> supervisor safai: thank

you, chair peskin, i appreciate the opportunity to just say a few last words. i just want to emphasize to the public and also for the record, the main driving force behind this legislation has been the uptick in retail theft that we've seen in our city. this type of brazen theft has impacted the well being of our front line workers that work in a lot of these stores. it's impacted the well-being and the psychology of shoppers and people that frequent these stores, often neighborhood stores both small and big and it's impacted the perception of san francisco. so, for me, we wanted to put together a working group and i've called that working group out last week. it's co-chaired by police chief bill scott, but i want to make sure to thank all the members that participated and support

this legislation. sheriff mianmotto police chief scott. san francisco chamber of commerce. the san francisco counsel of district merchants. many of our community benefits districts, particularly the union square, cbd as well as fisherman's wharf, the naacp, union local 5 as well as local 648. so i want to thank all of them for the in'put and the work that they've done to keep moving this conversation forward and also the deputy sheriff's association for giving us feedback along with sheriff miamoto and police chief scott.

we might expand the scope seeing what we have in other areas of the city. i know. this is something that i think we need to really get our arms around and i'm hopeful that this legislation today will be a deterrent and a suppressant and also something we can work with our district attorney on to get a level of treatment rehabilitation. this is not about going back to the days of overincarceration. this is about being present and being able to see the individuals and look at what the appropriate types of rehabilitation are. so, thank you, chair, thank you committee members. thank you supervisor mandelman and your cosponsors and thank you supervisor chan for the amendments last week and many other supervisors have expressed their support for

this legislation as well. so thank you, mr. chair. >> chairman: thank you. any comments from committee members. if not, why don't we go to public comment. >> clerk: yes. mr. chair, operations is checking to see if there are any callers in the queue. if you have not already done so, please dial star three to be added to the queue. for those on hold, please continue to wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. we currently have seven callers and two people in line to speak. >> chairman: first speaker, please. can we have the first caller, please.

okay. the caller is silent. we can move on to the next caller. >> caller: can you hear me now? >> clerk: yes, you may proceed. >> caller: good morning. david pilpel. first of all on page 1 line 22, i believe in the middle there that should read in double underline 10a.5 not 10.5. i reviewed the amendments from last week and i'm concerned that the definition of a requester refers individuals and entities, so i'm wondering if that can be reasonably interpreted that i or anyone else can serve as sheriff's deputies as private security. that seems not like the intended concept if it's a business or entity with the

intent to deter retail theft, then i think a requester should be limited to an entity and not an individual or maybe only an individual on behalf of some entity. i'm also concerned that the definition refers to occasional events -- how is that written? special events or occurrences that happened on occasional basis. so i'm not sure. there appear to be no findings in the legislation to explain the basis for the legislation including the discussion about retail theft which i think is important and would be important to include here. i hope my other comments from last week that i won't go into unless you need to hear again, i hope that those comments are still addressed. i support the concept, but i

believe this legislation still needs a little more work. those are my thoughts at this time, thanks for listening. >> clerk: thank you. can we have the next caller, please. >> you have reached the maximum time for recording your message. if you're satisfied -- >> clerk: so i believe that caller. can we have the next caller. >> clerk: another silent caller. can you confirm if we have anybody else on the line, mr. atkins. >> mr. clerk, the other callers on the line are silent.

>> clerk: okay. chair peskin, the other callers -- >> chairman: public comment is closed. supervisor safai, i believe the caller did make at least one good point which is that the capital letter a on page 1 at line 22. it should read 10a.5. i'm happy to make that amendment. do you have any final comments? if not, i will have -- >> supervisor safai: there is one last thing i did want to emphasize as well. much of this also was driven by

retailers and were not able to hire officers currently under the 10b program. not enough officers were responding or available. and so this also has to do with demand and the supply not meeting demand. so we're trying to increase the pool to make more law enforcement available for the demand that's out there for that presence. just wanted to say that as a final comment. but, agains, thank you to the committee and thank you for the work that you've done with us. appreciate it. >> chairman: all right. thank you. so, with that, i will make a motion to amend as previously stated on that motion. mr. young, a roll call please. >> clerk: on the motion to amend, [roll call]

the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: and then i'll make a motion to send the item -- >> chair peskin? i'm sorry to interrupt. may i be heard. >> chairman: yes. deputy city attorney peerson, the floor is yours. >> he did thought have a log-in for this meeting though he has asked for it. in light of his request to weigh in, i suggest that the committee takes pause on taking action on the final action to send this to the full board until you've heard from him.

>> chairman: supervisor safai, you are on commute. >> supervisor safai: i just got a medication from director eisen. he's trying to get on to be able to speak -- to be able to give d.h.r.'s position. >> chairman: why don't we wait a minute until you get that individual onto this call. >> clerk: yes. give me a moment. okay. the invitation has just been

sent. >> chairman: mr. graham, good morning. >> i'm sorry. go ahead. >> just briefly, we had an opportunity to receive the legislation on wednesday. we forwarded that legislation to the affected unions and the p.o.a. asked to meet and

confer. we're evaluating their request to do so. >> chairman: the p.o.a. is not a union. they're a bargaining unit. >> the bargaining unit of p.o.a. asked to meet and confer and we're considering their request and we're evaluating it. >> chairman: okay. so obviously if this panel recommends it, the full board can vote on it as a funl support. >> to meet and understand what their comments and concerns may be about the existing isolation and recommendation.

>> supervisor safai: my vote would be to proceed out of committee. we'll give the d.h.r. the opportunity to review and make a final determination. but until that point, i think we should just proceed and move toward the full board. >> chairman: all right. mr. clerk on the vote of supervisor safai. >> supervisor mandelman: mandelman. would it make sense not to forward it as a committee report so d.h.r. has one day to look at this. >> remember, there's two votes respectfully. >> chairman: in so far as there's two readings of the board. is that what you're saying supervisor safai? >> there technically three

votes. >> as you know, it sounds like they have not made their final determination. so our advice would be to forward this to the committee to pull things to committee and wait to the full board until we confer it is fully resolveded. we could instruct you at the full board not to vote on it until we've had confirmation. >> chairman: mr. graham. >> yes. i'm sorry. i disconnected. >> chairman: okay. good to have you back. has the poa in writing asserted a request to meet and confer. >> they have not done so. i don't have a written request for them to be confirmed. >> chairman: all right.

so on the vote. >> clerk: yes. on that motion. [roll call] the motion passes without objection to recommend the matter as a committee report as amended. >> chairman: next item, please. >> clerk: next on the agenda is item number two, motion approving objecting the mayor's nomination for the appointment to the police commission for a term ending april 30th, 2022. >> chairman: thank yous, mr. young. mr. carter overstone, good morning. >> good mornings, chair peskin. >> chairman: and, colleagues, i had the opportunity to meet

with mr. carter overstone, the week before last or was it last week? i can't remember which i appreciated do you want to regale the committee with your interest in serving on the xhis commission. the floor is yours. >> chair peskin, supervisor chan and supervisor mandelman, thank you for the opportunity to testify today before the rules committee and for the chance to address the committee with a brief opening statement. the cause of police reform captureded the nation's attention in the wake of george

floyd's murder, but the public's attention as we've all come to know is finite. many have suggested that the public's interest in reform is already waiting. while others are more hopeful that it will sustain, but either way, i don't think we can afford to wait and see. we have an obligation to act now while the national focus on reform might still survive the necessary momentum to propel us forward. we also owe it to the citizens of our cities, my native city to enact policies that reflect our shared values and that will keep both residents and officers safe. these are precisely the types of policies i've been working on for the better part of the last year. the policing project is a nonprofit promoting accountability and policing.

over the past year, i've led a number of the projects. i was the principal author of model legislation curtailing the use of traffic stops and co-wrote our model law on decertification. and before that in a private sector at the california department of justice where i was an associate deputy solicitor general. i have litigated dozens of appeals implicating a wide range of legal doctorings,

environmental law, constitutional law and many others. which we litigating the night in the supreme court. and it changed the federal legislation that weakened the affordable care act conception. and i also challenged california's laws regarding child abuse. one of the most solemn obligations in the attorney's list of the general's office is to represent the people of california and defend appeals from criminal conviction. some of these cases involve very serious crimes for which the defendant is serving a long sentence. even though we were charged with defending conviction

secured by the prosecution, our job was not to win at all cost. rather, our responsibility was to ensure that justice was served. in certain cases, that might mean forthrightly alerting the court that a conviction should be reversed because a defendant's constitutional rights were violated. to remind myself of this important obligation, i printed out a single page from a 1935 supreme court decision that describes the role of the federal prosecutor. i take this page above my desk and highlighted the following passage. the united states attorney is the representative not of an ordinary party to a controversy but of a sovereignty and whose interest therefore and a criminal prosecution is not that it shall win a case, but that justice shall be done. you may prosecute with

earnestness and vigor. he is not at liberty to strike. it is as much his duty to fran from any proper method as it is to use every legitimate means to bring about a just one. if confirmed, i pledge to supply. i promise to pursue the cause of reform and vigor, but also with discernment to implement policy changes swiftly and aggressively, but also to ensure any policy we pursue gives clear guidance that can be followed by officers in the field reflects recognized best practices and is grounded in evidence. i pledge to sit impartially as an adjudicator and i pledge to both educate the public about the commission's work and to listen to the concerns and ideas expressed by communities.

finally, police reform is personal to me. there is scarcely a black man in america these not felt the unchecked force of police power and i'm no exception. i recall for example being pulled over while in the passenger seat of my friend's car for going 5 miles an hour over the speed limit. my friend, the driver is also black. the officer instructed me to get out of the car and with one hand white knuckle gripping his gun began to pat me down. what's that? he barked as his hand pressed through my shorts and against my cellphone. before it was all over, there were four squad cars at the scene including a canine unit which did a drug sniff of the car. the officer lets go with a mere ticket but he was sure to remind us multiple times it was fully within his authority to

take us boys as he called us to jail if he wanted to. it should go without saying that i'm incredibly lucky. this experience like other encounters i've had with police could of had a much more tragic ending. even these relatively minor occurrences are still unworthy of a nation founded by people who risk everything to rid themselves of arbitrary government intrusion into their lives. it confirms i hope to make a small contribution to the project of reimagine how police can play a productive role in our democracy. thank you, i look forward to answering the committee's questions. >> chairman: thank you, counselor carter overstone and thank you for taking the time to visit with me the week

before last. i want to thank the mayor for finding you supervisors. i also note that you happen to be a district three constituent. which certainly doesn't hurt with that. i'll turn it over to my colleagues supervisor mandelman and supervisor chan if they have any comments. supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, chair peskin. and i want to also thank mr. carter overstone for taking time to talk to me this weekend. i had heard good things about him from my constituent julie tron and i am confident that he

will be an i think it's important that i do believe for the police commissioners of san francisco right now, there are multiple charges and one is to pursue reform and ensure we are doing what the department of justice is indicating we should and then going further to do the next steps. but also to make sure that our police department is effectively serving all the neighborhoods in san francisco and all the folks in san francisco and whether it is preventing and solving gun violence or property crime or any of the other issues that are impacting the community. i'm actually somebody who does believe in reform and i do believe we do need police officers and we need them to do their job excellently. so i think part of the job of the commissioners is to ensure that they're doing that. and get the resources they need to do that and hold them

accountable. so i trust that mr. oberstone will do that. >> chairman: supervisor chan, any comments or questions? >> supervisor chan: thank you, chair peskin. i appreciate the time spent and having the conversation and i look forward to supporting this nomination. i think it is good to have. you know, we appointed both mr. larry e. and mr. jim byrnes to the police commission recently and those are the great two appointments who have been community advocates for a long time in san francisco, but it is also good to see the next generation of leaders to come and join the commission to provide a different

perspective. so i look forward to supporting this nomination. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, supervisor chan. mr. clerk, why don't we go to public comment. >> clerk: yes. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call (415) 655-0001. the meeting id is 24892024267 and then press pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so, please dial star three to line up to speak. a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment. we currently have four people in line to speak on this matter. >> chairman: first speaker, please. >> caller: hello. my name is jason crocket. i'm calling in to speak in support of and on behalf of max

carter-oberstone's appointment. i've known max for 18 years and it should be noted that i spent the last four and a half years working in city government for the mayor in the city of los angeles and so i understand intimately the role of commissioners and the important role they play in oversight. in the 18 years that i've known max, there are a number of qualities that i would say have struck out that have made him unique in my mind, but something that i think he excels at is preparation and anticipation. in everything he's ever done, he comes prepared and ready to work very hard, but you can say that about a lot of people and a lot of different disciplines. i think what he brings uniquely to everything he touches is anticipation. he thinks two, three, four steps ahead and understands how he will react. he is very conscious of the

needs of others, the goals of others, and the positions that others are taking. and is able to think and i had a chance to visit san francisco during college with max. he invited me to join him during spring break and one of the things that i remember so fondly is how much he loves his city. never have i seen someone speak so passionately about the city they were born in and raised in as he has. so i think that this role of service is a natural fit. he will bring his eagerness to serve. his eye and passion for justice as well as a life long habit of preparation and anticipation to

this role. he will come ready to make change and to fulfill his obligation and his duty to the city. and i'm excited for him to take this on. >> clerk: that's your time. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, sir. next speaker, please. >> caller: yes. good morning. thank you for your tomb. my name is erin lyota. i'm an attorney based in berkeley and i've known mr. oberstone since we worked together in san francisco. he's a person with a lot of integrity. max isn't afraid to speak up when he sees something that isn't right and he doesn't go along with the status quo. now, i don't want to imply that this makes max difficult to work with because it's quite

the opposite. max is a delight to work with. i've learned so much from him about how to be a better lawyer and a better person. max grew up in san francisco and he is deeply committed to the city and to making it a better place for future generations. san francisco would be very lucky to have him on his police commission. i hope you all approve his nomination. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello. i am calling in today in support of max carter-oberstone's nomination. i've known him for over seven years from the time we first clerked together in district court. i want to tell you what it's like to work with max as a colleague. you've heard many achievements and the accolades that come with his academic and

professional background, but what you may not know yet is what a joy he is to share an office or a project with. he is incredibly thoughtful and account as a colleague. he will go above and beyond to ensure the success of the team and he is the kind of person that you want to go and talk through difficult issues with. he keeps an open mind. he is strategic in his thinking and he will always ask questions and push you to be more thoughtful and more precise in your own reasoning. for all of these reasons, including everything that the other people in public comment have said today, i am so enthusiastic to highly recommend him for this post and i'm excited for an opportunity for max. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. are there any other speakers? next speaker, please. >> clerk: i believe we do have

one more caller. >> yes. good morning. my name is michael mongan. i currently serve as the solicitor general of california. in my individual capacity and not on behalf of the attorney general or the department of justice. i had the great privilege to work closely with max for two years in the office of solicitor general. i had a chance to observe him in close corridors as a colleague, working with him on some of the state's most pressing projects including defending the daca policy and reproductive freedoms. and i can't think of anybody who would be better suited for this position as max. he's one of the hardest working attorneys i've met. he cares deeply about fairness and justice and the rule of law. san francisco is where he grew up and i know that he loves the city and all of its communities

and he's a kind and decent and generous person who works well with others. i can honestly say i've never had a better colleague than max carter-oberstone and san francisco would be lucky to have him as a member of the complicit commission. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. are there any members of the public who would like to testify on this item number two. >> clerk: and that was the last public commenter. >> chairman: okay. public comment is closed. and the one and i think most important in addition is qualifications question that i ask mr. carter-oberstone was his ability to put significant time into this time consuming position and he answered that he understood that and would carve necessary time out of his otherwise busy schedule. so thank you for that and thank you for your willingness to serve and, colleagues, if there

are no further comments, i would like to make a motion to amend the subject resolution at line three by deleting the word rejecting and at line 14 by deleting the word reject. on that motion, a role call, please. >> clerk: on the motion to amend, [roll call] >> chairman: and then i would like to make a motion to send the item to the full board. on that motion. a roll call please. >> clerk: on that motion, [roll call]

the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: thank you, and mr. carter-oberstone, i wanted to get this on tomorrow's agenda, so you will be a member of the police commission in about a week. thank you. next item, please. >> clerk: would you like me to read items three through five together? >> chairman: sure. >> clerk: yes. item number 3. item number 4 is for the appointment of julie soo to the sheriff's department and item number five is a motion approving rejecting the mayor's nomination of dion-jay brookter

to the sheriff's department oversight board term ending march 1, 2025. >> chairman: all right. colleagues, this obviously was a result of the measure that was championed by the board of supervisors president walton who can unfortunately not join us today, but we have the mayor's nominees before us today in the form of mr. gonzalez, ms. soo, and mr. brookter who we will hear from momentarily. are there any opening comments from committee members? if not, why don't we start with a statement from mr. gonzalez and in conjunction with board president walton, i have a number of questions that i will ask identically or similarly to all three of the candidates. mr. gonzalez, good morning. >> good morning, supervisor

peskin, good morning supervisors. thanks for hearing my responsibilities to the fire department and also i feel would be asked to the sheriff's department oversight review board. i retired may 2019 after 29 and a half years. 10 and a half years were in an admin position, positions. i was the deputy chief of operations to the second in command, general orders policies and procedures, memo randoms. i've reviewed most all of those before the chief's signature. i oversaw hundreds of disciplinary recommendations, made recommendations to the chief. also attended disciplinary hearings before the fire commission. represented the department in the m.l.u. negotiations.

i attended monthly meetings. some of the responsibilities or my direct reports were the airport. the fire marshal, fire preventions, fire investigation. i worked on many projects with the d.m., department of emergency management. action plans and also workeded hand in hand with personnel office fire suppression scheduling. also, i took pride in creating programs and sustained objectives. i look forward if allowed the privilege to serve on this board and available for any

questions. >> chairman: thank you, mr. gonzalez. let me start with some of the questions on behalf of president walton. normally, mr. gonzalez, we ask people if they've attended meetings of this body, in so far as this body has not existed. we can't ask you that question, but have you been involved with any of the issues surrounding sheriffs or public law enforcement reform? >> no i have not. >> chairman: any experience in advocating for somebody in

custody? >> not in a formal process, no. >> chairman: any involvement around the city wide conversation with regard to jail closures particularly at the hall of justice? >> no. >> chairman: you may have some experience with this. in 2018, the board passed the transparency and oversight to craft policies about their use of surveillance technologies and mitigate potential harms and risks to civil liberties and because the sheriff while the sheriff has submitted written certification that is it exempt from this policy and doesn't need to craft policies to ensure the safe use of complex surveillance technologies. would you support a shift in that policy to require the sheriff to submit to this

oversight to ensure the safe uses surveillance technology. >> i think surveillance can be a positive for both sides on that issue. i mean, it's for the victim and for the sheriff as well. so i would be in favor of that. yes. >> chairman: okay. are there any questions from committee members? seeing none. is there any public comment on this item? mr. clerk. >> supervisor chan: chair peskin, we're calling all three items together, right? >> chairman: yes. good point, supervisor chan. we will hold public comment until we hear from all three, so why don't we go on to the next nominee.

ms. soo, good morning. mr. clerk, is ms. soo with us? >> clerk: i'm checking right now. i will check on her if you want to move on. >> chairman: good morning. d.j. >> good morning chair peskin and vice chair mandelman.

the last chance i got to see and everything that he's doing. but i also want to say, thank you to the mayor for having faith in my leadership and time on the police commission: i've been in the city and county for the last eleven years. i have been a public servant. i am the executive director of young community developers which is one of the leading workforce developments in district 10. i've been apart of that organization for over ten years where we've grown from nine folks and during that time was

also able to really focus on violence prevention in the work that we do around community engagement in the southeast part of san francisco. i have serveded on the mayor's workforce development board. i have workeded on the controller's bond oversight committee and most recently one of our san francisco police commissioners where i want to say thank you to my colleagues. our vice president cindy elias and we've been able to push forward a lot of reform, a lot of department general orders, a lot of department bulletins during my 10 year on the police commission. i also want to share that as an organization, we've had an opportunity to work a lot with

our sheriff's department. during my time at young community development, we've had a document series alongside the sheriff's department and the police department known as the chop shop where we work and set down with the police department and barbershops throughout the city and county of san francisco and had dialog about what law enforcement and policing looks like in our communities. we have been apart of the sheriff's department's garden project where we worked with young adults in community and actually took them to some of our sheriff's department sites, most notably the farm where we showed them how to do urban farming and we looked at ways in which they can be stewards in their community through our work with the sheriff's department. we now as an organization also have a very robust department in our organization where we're working with folks who have been justice involved.

we have a great to chair peskin's question. we as an organization have set on the committee that looked at the closer of the juvenile justice halls that we have and we are in full support of closing down those facilities. i've spent time at 850 bryant. i've spent time in our jails and prison systems. before coming to san francisco, i worked for an organization which was apart of a re-entry initiative where i spent time up and down the state of california not only in our jails, but inside our prison system sitting down in jails with men and women who have been justice involved and helping them reenter back. with that, i just want to say, thank you again for an opportunity to be here.

another opportunity to serve the city and county of san francisco. as we know, this body doesn't currently exist and that's one of the things that has me most excited about it is being able to put in those hard earned hours to really see this body being what some of our other commissions and bodies are here in the city and county of san francisco and also understanding of the police commission that, again, it's in good hands. it was great to see max carter-oberstone and my colleagues who are there. i hope to be confirmed, chair peskin. >> chairman: thank you, commissioner brookter, and you toucheded on most of the questions that i asked the previous nominee. but specifically, would you support a shift in the is a

great way to be able to tell a full story. may not remember or may get to see things that might of occurred. that may have slipped the individuals' minds. >> chairman: any questions from colleagues? all right. thank you, d.j. and why don't we move on to ms. soo. is she available now? >> clerk: she should be. i just contacted her. she briefly appeared on our video. >> chairman: yeah. i saw her. maybe she's not hearing us.

give me a moment. there we are. ms. soo, good morning. >> yes. i'm on my phone as well as on my laptop and the connection's a little off i think. >> supervisor mandelman: uh,

oh. >> i can't hear the video. >> clerk: we can hear you okay, but we can go with just audio if that's okay. >> chairman: that's fine. ms. soo, why don't you tell us why you want to be on the sheriff's oversight board and give us some background and then i will ask you the same questions that the previous two speaker nominees spoke to. >> okay. well, thank you. i welcome this opportunity again to serve the city in a public capacity. i've been a public attorney for over two -- >> clerk: can you turn down the volume on your. >> chairman: julie, can you turn down the volume -- ms. soo, we can't really hear --

>> in place and taking public testimony to make sure that we are -- >> chairman: ms. soo. julie sue, can you hear me? >> are we having audio issues again? >> chairman: yes. we are definitely having audio issues for sure. we're having visual issues and audio issues. the clerk suggested that you turn the volume on your computer down. can you do that? >> are we still having audio issues or can you hear me now? >> chairman: you obviously can't hear me. let's do this. at the beginning, you were crystal clear visually and i could hear you. now we cannot hear you and we cannot see you. what i'm going to suggest, colleagues is that we continue these three to next monday and send them as committee reports,

whatever this body decides and they will get to the board at the same time. we don't need to rehear them, but i will take public comment right now. is there any public comment on items three, four, or five? >> clerk: we are double checking. >> i'm sorry, are we still having audio issues? >> chairman: julie, we can't hear you. it's not working. we're going to do this next week when you are in a decent place with decent connectivity. all right. public comment. >> clerk: yes. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on this item should call (415) 655-0001. the meeting id is 24892024267

then press pound and pound again. if you haven't already done so -- give me a moment. >> chairman: thanks julie who has her mic on. julie, turn your mic off. >> clerk: if you haven't done so please press star to line up to speak. the system will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until you have been unmuted and you may begin your comment when we get to public comment and we current lae have two people on the line and one person in line to speak. >> chairman: first speaker, please. >> caller: good morning chair peskin and supervisor chan and supervisor mandelman. i'm sorry that julie's audio video isn't working. she lives in twin peaks which

gets spotty, i believe. it's kind of a shortcoming in our city. regarding julie's appointment to this oversight committee, i really want to strongly recommend her appointment not only as a strong member and an excellent resource to assist in this newly formed oversight committee to be established. i have known julie for over 25 years. she has been serving on the commission of status of women for nine years, has been a senior staff attorney for the california state insurance commissioner and she also -- >> clerk: can you hang everything up and try again. we're taking public comment. >> chairman: go ahead. >> caller: hello? julie also served nine years for the st. francis hospital trustee board and she is

currently the lead co-chair for the california democratic state parties platform committee. julie has as a native san franciscan, fourth generation to be exact has many years in relationship in san francisco chinatown and beyond in the asian community. i have known her to be not just smart about what she does, but quite thorough and transparent about her decision making and i believe that her number of years in the public process with government will add to the as an asset to this new oversight committee and i highly recommend your recommendation for appointment. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please.

>> clerk: i am confirming that we -- that was our only speaker for today. >> chairman: okay. public comment is closed and colleagues, because of the audio and audio-visual impairment for ms. soo, why don't we continue these three items to our week, one week hence and ms. soo is leave twin peaks or something. on that a roll call, please. >> clerk: yes, on the motion to continue these matters to the next meeting of the rules committee, [roll call] the motion passes without objection. mr. chair, i just want to make

one suggestion before we continue these matters. i believe there was a misspelling in mr. sponz's name. the information i received is incorrect. his name should end with an 's' and not a 'z'. >> chairman: noted please correct that. >> clerk: i will do so. >> chairman: all right. we are adjourned.

san francisco is surrounded on three sides by water, the fire boat

station is intergal to maritime rescue and preparedness, not only for san francisco, but for all of the bay area. [sirens] >> fire station 35 was built in 1915. so it is over 100 years old. and helped it, we're going to build fire boat station 35. >> so the finished capital planning committee, i think about three years ago, issued a guidance that all city facilities must exist on sea level rise. >> the station 35, construction cost is approximately $30 million. and the schedule was complicated because of what you call a float. it is being fabricated in

china, and will be brought to treasure island, where the building site efficient will be constructed on top of it, and then brought to pier 22 and a half for installation. >> we're looking at late 2020 for final completion of the fire boat float. the historic firehouse will remain on the embarcadero, and we will still respond out of the historic firehouse with our fire engine, and respond to medical calls and other incidences in the district. >> this totally has to incorporate between three to six feet of sea level rise over the next 100 years. that's what the city's guidance is requiring. it is built on the float, that can move up and down as the water level rises, and sits on four fixed guide piles. so if the seas go up, it

can move up and down with that. >> it does have a full range of travel, from low tide to high tide of about 16 feet. so that allows for current tidal movements and sea lisle rises in the coming decades. >> the fire boat station float will also incorporate a ramp for ambulance deployment and access. >> the access ramp is rigidly connected to the land side, with more of a pivot or hinge connection, and then it is sliding over the top of the float. in that way the ramp can flex up and down like a hinge, and also allow for a slight few inches of lateral motion of the float. both the access ramps, which there is two, and the utility's only flexible connection connecting from the float to the back of the building. so electrical power, water, sewage, it all has

flexible connection to the boat. >> high boat station number 35 will provide mooring for three fire boats and one rescue boat. >> currently we're staffed with seven members per day, but the fire department would like to establish a new dedicated marine unit that would be able to respond to multiple incidences. looking into the future, we have not only at&t park, where we have a lot of kayakers, but we have a lot of developments in the southeast side, including the stadium, and we want to have the ability to respond to any marine or maritime incident along these new developments. >> there are very few designs for people sleeping on the water. we're looking at cruiseships, which are larger structures, several times the size of harbor

station 35, but they're the only good reference point. we look to the cruiseship industry who has kind of an index for how much acceleration they were accommodate. >> it is very unique. i don't know that any other fire station built on the water is in the united states. >> the fire boat is a regional asset that can be used for water rescue, but we also do environmental cleanup. we have special rigging that we carry that will contain oil spills until an environmental unit can come out. this is a job for us, but it is also a way of life and a lifestyle. we're proud to serve our community. and we're willing to help people in any way we can..

>> my name is angela wilson and i'm an owner of the market i worked at a butcher for about 10 years and became a butcher you i was a restaurant cook started in sxos and went to uc; isn't that so and opened a cafe we have produce from small farms without small butcher shops hard for

small farms to survive we have a been a butcher shop since 1901 in the heights floor and the case are about from 1955 and it is only been a butcher shot not a lot of businesses if san francisco that have only been one thing. >> i'm all for vegetarians if you eat meat eat meat for quality and if we care of we're in a losing battle we need to support butcher shops eat less we sell the chickens with the head and feet open somebody has to make money when you pay $25 for a chicken i guarantee if you go to save way half of the chicken goes in the enlarge but

we started affordable housing depends on it occurred to us this is a male field people said good job even for a girl the interesting thing it is a women's field in most of world just here in united states it is that pay a man's job i'm an encountered woman and raise a son and teach i am who respect woman i consider all women's who work here to be impoverished and strong in san francisco labor is high our cost of good ideas we seal the best good ideas the profit margin that low but everything that is a laboring and that's a challenge in the town so many people chasing money and not i can guarantee everybody this is their passion. >> i'm the - i've been

cooking mile whole life this is a really, really strong presence of women heading up kitchens in the bay area it is really why i moved out here i think that we are really strong in the destroy and really off the pages kind of thing i feel like women befrp helps us to get back up i'm definitely the only female here i fell in love i love setting up and love knowing were any food comes from i do the lamb and that's how i got here today something special to have a female here a male dominated

field so i think that it is very special to have women and especially like it is going at it you know i'm a tiny girl but makes me feel good for sure. >> the sad thing the building is sold i'm renegotiating my lease the neighborhood wants us to be here with that said, this is a very difficult business it is a constant struggle to maintain freshness and deal with what we have to everyday it is a very high labor of business but something i'm proud of if you want to get a job at affordable housing done nasal you need a good attitude and the jobs on the bottom you take care of all the produce and the fish and computer ferry terminal and

work your way up employing people with a passion for this and empowering them to learn

>> hi today we have a special edition of building san francisco, stay safe, what we are going to be talking about san francisco's earth quakes, what you can do before an earthquake in your home, to be ready and after an earthquake to make sure that you are comfortable staying at home, while the city recovers. ♪♪

>> the next episode of stay safe, we have alicia johnson from san francisco's department of emergency management. hi, alicia thanks to coming >> it is a pleasure to be here with you. >> i wonder if you could tell us what you think people can do to get ready for what we know is a coming earthquake in san francisco. >> well, one of the most things that people can do is to make sure that you have a plan to communicate with people who live both in and out of state. having an out of state contact, to call, text or post on your social network is really important and being able to know how you are going to communicate with your friends, and family who live near you, where you might meet them if your home is uninhab hitable. >> how long do you think that it will be before things are restored to normal in san francisco. >> it depends on the severity of the earthquake, we say to provide for 72 hours tha, is three days, and it helps to

know that you might be without services for up to a week or more, depending on how heavy the shaking is and how many after shocks we have. >> what kind of neighborhood and community involvement might you want to have before an earthquake to make sure that you are going to able to have the support that you need. >> it is important to have a good relationship with your neighbors and your community. go to those community events, shop at local businesses, have a reciprocal relationship with them so that you know how to take care of yourself and who you can rely on and who can take care of you. it is important to have a battery-operated radio in your home so that you can keep track of what is happening in the community around and how you can communicate with other people. >> one of the things that seems important is to have access to your important documents. >> yes, it is important to have copies of those and also stored them remotely. so a title to a home, a passport, a driver's license, any type of medical records

that you need need, back those up or put them on a remote drive or store them on the cloud, the same is true with any vital information on your computer. back that up and have that on a cloud in case your hard drive does not work any more. >> in your home you should be prepared as well. >> absolutely. >> let's take a look at the kinds of things that you might want to have in your home. >> we have no water, what are we going to do about water? >> it is important for have extra water in your house, you want to have bottled water or a five gallon container of water able to use on a regular basis, both for bathing and cooking as well as for drinking. >> we have this big container and also in people's homes they have a hot water heater. >> absolutely, if you clean your hot water heater out regularly you can use that for showering, drinking and bathing as well >> what other things do people need to have aren't their home.

>> it is important to have extra every day items buy a couple extra cans of can food that you can eat without any preparation. >> here is a giant can of green giant canned corn. and this, a manual can opener, your electric can opener will not be working not only to have one but to know where to find it in your kitchen. >> yes. >> so in addition to canned goods, we are going to have fresh food and you have to preserve that and i know that we have an ice chest. >> having an ice chest on hand is really important because your refrigerator will not be working right away. it is important to have somebody else that can store cold foods so something that you might be able to take with you if you have to leave your home. >> and here, this is my very own personal emergency supply box for my house. >> i hope that you have an alternative one at home. >> oh, i forgot. >> and in this is really important, you should have flashlights that have

batteries, fresh batteries or hand crank flashlight. >> i have them right here. >> good. excellent. that is great. additionally, you are going to want to have candles a whistle, possibly a compass as well. markers if you want to label things if you need to, to people that you are safe in your home or that you have left your home. >> i am okay and i will meet you at... >> exactly. exactly. water proof matches are a great thing to have as well. >> we have matches here. and my spare glasses. >> and your spare glasses. >> if you have medication, you should keep it with you or have access to it. if it needs to be refrigerated make sure that it is in your ice box. >> inside, just to point out for you, we have spare batteries. >> very important. >> we have a little first aid kit. >> and lots of different kinds of batteries. and another spare flashlight. >> so, alicia what else can we

do to prepare our homes for an earthquake so we don't have damage? >> one of the most important things that you can do is to secure your valuable and breakable items. make sure that your tv is strapped down to your entertainment cabinet or wall so it does not move. also important is to make sure that your book case is secure to the wall so that it does not fall over and your valuable and breakables do not break on the ground. becoming prepared is not that difficult. taking care of your home, making sure that you have a few extra every-day items on hand helps to make the difference. >> that contributes dramatically to the way that the city as a whole can recover. >> absolutely. >> if you are able to control your own environment and house and recovery and your neighbors are doing the same the city as a whole will be a more resilient city. >> we are all proud of living in san francisco and being prepared helps us stay here. >> so, thank you so much for joining us today, alicia, i appreciate it. >> absolutely, it is my

pleasure. >> and thank you for joining us on another edition of building >> hello, everyone. my name is london breed i'm the mayor of city and county of san francisco and i'm so excited to be here at anchor not just because they have a lot of beer enough to go around a dozen times with everybody that's here but more importantly, this is an incredible iconic company in san francisco. in fact they're a legacy business and have been around for generations. they've been great partners in our efforts to support businesses throughout san francisco but in addition to

that, they believe in the importance of being a part of the solution when it comes to climate change. we all know that here in the state of california, we are experiencing some very challenging times with the wildfires. on top of that, it's becoming increasingly difficult to fight the wildfires because we're also experiencing a drought. we have to think differently about the way we do things to protect the environment and protect and use water in different ways. in san francisco when i served on the board of supervisors before i was mayor, we pushed for legislation to allow for gray water, the water you wash your hands with to be reused and recycled when there is new construction in buildings. but we also know they are buildings that exist now that if provided additional resources,

could make very positive change and re-use in their water supply. here a lot of water is used. in fact the work being done here today is absolutely extraordinary. the company established the technology that would allow for anchor to take their whole infrastructure and make the types of changes that allow for the water that they use to clean the bottles and equipment and other things to actually be recycled water rather than water that could otherwise be used for drinking. this technology is really changing the way that we do business in the state of california and we're grateful for their support and the work that they did to develop this technology. and here in san francisco the san francisco public utilities commission have a grant program.

a grant program where we've already provided over $2 million to various companies to change their businesses so that it doesn't impact their business directly so they can accommodate technology like this to make adjustments and anchor received a $1 million grant to make such changes. we're grateful to be here today because when you think bit, what they're doing in just this location alone is anticipated to save over $20 million gallons of water. that's the equivalent of over 1300 residents in san francisco and san franciscans used 32 gallons of water a day which is one of the lowest anywhere and we believe in conservation and try to do our best but we also understand there's a need to change infrastructure and businesses and how we support companies in san francisco to be

innovative and creative in new developments that will help us to do exactly what we're doing here today. i'm grateful to be here and i know it's not after hours but i would hope that after we're done with this press conference, anchor may have some beer for us to sample so we can know what it tastes like. yes, especially because we have a special guest in the house and don't worry, he's not going to try to fight anyone here but edward norton, it's great to have you here in san francisco. bring that star power that we love but if you're using it for a purpose, that's going to protect the environment. it's going to help us move in a positive direction, san francisco with our new climate action goals and what we're doing around trying to be innovative to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and do all the things we know we need to do

here in san francisco, we want to continue to be the model for the rest of the country. we know we can't do it alone but so many of the great innovative things we've done in the city to protect the environment have really led the way for others to follow and that's what we're going to see with this grant program. that's what we're going to see with the work in bringing forth this amazing technology to change things as we know it and with they want to introduce matt silver who is the chairman and president and ceo of this great technology and clearly it takes real smarts to develop something like this and we're so glad to have him here today. come on up, matthew. >> thank you, mayor breed. >> it's work in the water and waste water industry every day it's not every day you have an

event like this with mayor of the city and a famous actor. we appreciate you being here and appreciate you highlighting your support for sustainable infrastructure projects like we have here. and thanks everyone else for coming and being here. it's been a long time coming building this project and a couldn't be more excited than to celebrate it with you all. we're here to celebrate the plant and the impact it will have on the community here and the city but we're also here to celebrate the investment anchor is make and the city of san francisco is make in sustainable infrastructure right here in potrero hill. we also believe this can be a new model for how to do distributed industrial re-use across the country and that's something that's very much needed. industry is the second largest user of water globally and we can have a significant impact.

and for those who don't know kam came bryan and we look to make it reusable and sustain tabl and cost effective and we have the capacity to recover potable or near potable quality water and in some cases clean energy from processed water streams. and we'll charge by the gallon to treat it we cut footprint and co2 footprint and helping companies save money in the process.

anchor has a storied history and with the 20 year contract they have a contact for the future and we'll do a tour of the plant soon but i wanted to highlight a couple points. first, this is the largest commercial water reuse project in san francisco history and the mayor pointed out it's up to 20 million a year capacity. we have the ability to treat and recycle 100% up to 100% of anchors's processed water resulting in a drastic reduction in their water use and elimination of up to 92 metric tons of carbon dioxide a year. it's been implemented under a long term contract which we're thankful for. a final point before i hand it

off to our next speaker and sustainable infrastructure not easy. this project has had its ups and downs and we're really excited where it is today but it takes partnership. it takes partnership between the regulators and public sector and innovators and i'd like to thank all our partners that got us through to this point. anchor brewing, ceo michael tamiaka who i got to know and respect part of the project, scott peterson, we appreciate all working with us and trusting us on the project. the san francisco public utilities commission and a great advocate for the project and supporter throughout and i have to think the cambrian team,

richard ross in essential engineering, and others did the hard work of building this plan throughout covid and you should be proud of what you have here today. and i'm also thankful for those who supported us in the journey and springling capital and others and i'll hand it off to the next speaker but i'm honored he's one of the supporters among those. while edward doesn't really need an introduction, what some of you might not know is he's dedicated a significant amount of time, energy and investment to the environment and particularly water. as a valued board member at cambrian innovation he knows how to create and sustain an innovative company in the infrastructure markets and know he shares our vision with industry as an eco system and with innovation and hard work we

can develop solutions that support the environment, protect the environment while also saving communities and companies money. with that said, i'll introduce edward norton. >> hey, everybody, it's great to be here. i was listening to all of that and i was thinking that phrases like public-private partnership get tossed around a lot. it's a collateral at podiums but it's really true. i think this is a great example of what can happen when smart policy makers like mayor london and her public utility commission recognize that government can play a role in

not just facilitating but actually stimulating how society remakes itself and what the interplay is between business and public good. and i learned a lot about that and my , andy, when he was deputy secretary at the department of energy create the loan company that gave us companies like tesla now the highest cap auto company in the world and that was very much the product of government stimulus and i think it's phenomenal what anchor is doing and what the public utilities commission has capacitated and what matt and the cambrian team have created. the state of california doesn't really have a water supply

problem. the state of california has a water management problem. when you consider the dairy industry uses 50% of the water and doesn't recycle one drop of it, you know what we have to do in the state is use water as a renewable resource not as an infinite free we can assume we get it for free but can't presume industrial users can just throw it away after we use it. we have to demand as a city, state and country that the world we're living in period where you

have to pay attention and this should be a national standard what's going on right here. and here's the great thing, that it's not just leadership that's on display by the city of san francisco insisting and stimulating and saying there are symptoms that can now allow a company to do this. what we're seeing in terms of leadership from anchor is what we need to see. this is what real corporate leadership looks like. they look at the 30-year balance sheet and say, look, how are we going to improve margin and evolve our business so we anticipate resource shortfall, etcetera. and anchor not just doing the right thing but save money and increase margins by figuring out

a way without having to purchase a system like this, they can lower their actual operating costs while secure tieing their water stream. this is brilliant corporate leadership to increase the value of this company and basically what i see going on here is really a whole bunch of different partners throwing the gloves down. it's a challenge to other companies to do as well as anchor is doing. it's a challenge to other cities and the whole state of california to replicate this model and insist that water be wisely recycled as a policy mandate and what's really exciting to me as a board member of cambrian and we need ways to create a true win-win where a new american technological company makes a great business for itself, creates jobs while

lowering, while improving the business model of its constituent clients. when they say a service industry, that's a true service. if one business is helping another business do better and at the same time improving the underlying water security of the entire state of california, that's what we need to be doing. that's what we need to be doing. so i think it's appear. we talk about drought and fires and these things. we don't not have enough water. we have enough water we just use it stupidly. we can't afford to waste what we have. now is the time. the last year in the state should have brought home to everybody that we can't afford to waste water and tre truth is yes it's great for people to think of watering their lawn but residential use of water is not the problem. it's in the massive waste in

industrial use of water and what anchor and san francisco are doing here is what the state of california should be talking about with central valley livestock agriculture as well because they should be building systems like this in the central valley and where we'll see change to the profile of the crisis we're manufacturing by ourselves by throwing away water for and i've been a u.n. ambassador over a decade and water is a pillar problem. water affects human health and affects bio diversity and will end up affecting our air quality because it's how we fight fires in the state. we have to solve the water problem in the state of

california and this is how we get it done and congratulations to ever one of you involved because it's more than a brewery coming up with a cool water system. it's really the solution we need to a massive problem in the united states. i also get to introduce someone who i think in industry what i would call alchemy and being a brew master at a major brewery to me is like being an alchemist. you're literally taking stuff and turning it into gold we drink. tom has been with anchor 37 years. he's been the brew master about two years. he's from the potrero hill area. a true local and a master at his craft and so he's going get to talk to us about what this means for his magic making in the tanks.

>> thank you for that introduction. thank you for that statement. i that was very powerful. today's an incredible milestone for our team at anchor brewing as we celebrate our commitment to our hometown of san francisco through the initiative with the san francisco p.u.c. and cambrian innovation. anchor turned 125 years this year and we couldn't be more proud to partner with organizations that allow our brewery to reduce our water usage and overall carbon footprint. i'm born and raised in san francisco, i grew up in this neighborhood on potrero hill and been with anchor 37 years. i started on the packaging line when i was 21 and touched every corner of this brewery. i even served as i tour guide at

one time. it's definitely inspiring for me to see this partnership come to life and a testament to anchor brewing and san francisco's commitment to not only the future of our brewery but our surrounding community. on behalf of the entire anchor team, thank you for supporting and contributing to the enduring legacy of our brand in san francisco. thank you. >> i'm going to introduce our next speaker, a quick story first talking about the nature of the partnership. as with any innovative partnership it hit some snags along the way and every time we hit them the san francisco public utilities commission worked directly with anchor and cambrianne and rolled up their

sleeves and broke down barrier and that's innovation from a regulatory perspective and cambrian is the standards here and speaks to the values and quality of the people at the sfpuc and pleased to introduce the commission president. i will say along with being the commission president, she's the director of urban water policy with stanford university's water in the west program doing research on data principles to study human and policy dimensions of the urban water and hydro logic systems and a real expert on water management.

>> thank you. it's a hard act to follow but i'm not president of the commission. i'm vice president of the commission and i just got appointed to that position so i am truly delighted to be here and as someone who has spent my entire career looking at how to build water solution are sustainable and resilient and trying to come up with different valuable policies that can reach this outcome, i'm really honored and excited to be in this position. i have followed this effort that has been put together by sfpuc for years and it's a visionary effort. so we all know that climate change is impacting our water supplies and infrastructure and obviously the future is a little bit uncertain when you're thinking about all these impacts. so unless we really look back and see how we can innovate and

change the way we use water, we can't really move forward and i think this project is a great example of how we use recycling at any scale should be at the table and what we see here right now. by matching alternate water resources with the right end use such as what we're seeing here and using the waters in the tanks to try to reuse them, we can actually sort of save our precious water supplies and drinking water supplies and unlock the potential for resilient and sustainable water future and also equitable water future which we all need to pay attention to. this kind of project is why sfpuc launched the water reuse program for the breweries in 2013. it requires a real vision and leadership and i can say this not attributing to myself but it

requires real leadership and vision for a utility to take this on because it was not easy and an appreciated to be part of this group. typically in a brewery you may not know they use four to seven gallons of water to produce about a gallon of beer. that extra four to six gallons of water can be reused for different purposes and what we're trying to do here. depending on how much water is reused, san francisco public utilities commission has been trying to provide $250,000 to $1 million to support these kinds of projects which i think is important. that is another reason why sfpuc has always been a leader in the re-use system. we were the first city to launch such requirements is something we started the first

municipality in the nation to require this for new and large development and now we have made that strengthen what we have and make it broader to include more buildings and businesses as part of that. along with water reuse we have other water recycling projects going on. those initiatives include our water recycling project that will provide about 2 million gallons a day for golden gate park and presidio and lincoln park and irrigation water and some of the golf courses as well will be using some of that water. san francisco will always be a leader in conservation. as you heard we're using about 40 gallons per person per day which is quite low for the day.

which is low and denmark is using 22 gallons and i say do not water your lawns with precious water and while we're doing re-use an recycling, it's great that we are here and i'm grateful for the team that's been trying to work hard to make water conservation efficiency re-use recycling and embrace it and make it a reality. with all the television cameras here today, this is an opportunity to remind everybody and all the breweries out there, please, please, reach out to us, embrace the solutions and technologies and let us work together and save water. this is the first time we are celebrating a project of this kind in san francisco but i really hope it's not last and thank you again for all of you to be here and i think we are going to do some ribbon cutting. perfect. thank you, everyone.

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chinatown has to be one the best unique shopping areas in san francisco that is color fulfill and safe each vegetation and seafood and find everything in chinatown the walk shop in chinatown welcome to jason dessert i'm the fifth generation of candy in san francisco still that serves 2000 district in the chinatown in the past it was the tradition and my family was the royal chef in the pot pals that's why we learned this stuff and moved from here to have dragon candy i want people to know that is art we will explain a walk and they can't walk in and out it is

different techniques from stir frying to smoking to steaming and they do show of. >> beer a royalty for the age berry up to now not people know that especially the toughest they think this is - i really appreciate they love this art. >> from the cantonese to the hypomania and we have hot pots we have all of the cuisines of china in our chinatown you don't have to go far. >> small business is important to our neighborhood because if we really make a lot of people lives better more people get a job here not just a big firm. >> you don't have to go anywhere else we have pocketed of great neighborhoods haul have all have their own uniqueness.

>> san francisco has to all we're here in fisherman's wharf, a very popular destination for tourists in san francisco, not too far from the high school that i went to galleleio high school. and this is frequently visited by tourists for people to enjoy the businesses, a lot of the restaurants, to ride the cable car which i'm so happy that all of these things are continuing to open. and they're opening because we're fortunate in san francisco that we are seeing a change as it relates to covid.