developed site. that's what made this site particularly unique and we did want to take it off the market before it was acquired by someone else. from a real estate perspective, the timing, as to the community outreach, i have to refer to dr. patting. >> i'm going to call in my colleague -- i'm sorry, supervisor haney, did you want to respond? >> chair haney: no. >> with regards to community outreach and what's been done, i'm going to bring in my colleague from our community health promotion division. eileen, can you discuss the work you've done with pre-engagement with this project? >> yeah. good afternoon, supervisors. i work with the department of public health and i do a lot of

work around drug use health. because of the quick timeline, we were unable to do a comprehensive community outreach, but i have gone to the area and gone to the area and, number one, assessed for people that use drugs or people that would access the services and they were, indeed, in the area of the service. we've also engaged with some of the nearby community providers to see, you know, to ask them about the service if it were located there, would it be a referral point? would it be an access point? we were able on a small scale to talk to some neighbors. i, myself, am a longtime resident of san francisco. i've had lots of conversations with people in the neighborhood, the service.

but as dr. patting said, we do have a plan -- a very comprehensive community engagement process that will be multiple propose, not only -- to ensure that they are aware of the service and will access it. does that answer -- does that touch on the question? >> chair haney: to some degree. i mean, i will say it feels like a somewhat unusual situation because we are buying a property. we are broadcasting, it seems, what it is likely to be used for, but we're not yet committed to that and we're not doing any

significant engagement with the neighborhood before the purchase of the property. is -- i mean, what are we -- i know that one of the potential uses for it is uncertain still because of legal questions. can you describe in more detail what the likely use is? i think that crisis diversion unit is not something that i think most people have any idea what that means. what exactly is the use of this that we're planning for aside from the other potential use that still hasn't been determined? >> both these programs are a great enhancement to our -- our health system and our system of care, both on a harm reduction side and a crisis side to

prevent people from having to go or use emergency services unnecessarily. so the crisis unit is -- there is a -- it's similar to what we call our door urgent care service which is also in the south of market area, supervisor haney, in your district 6. this is a site where the street crisis or medical emergency services can come in. there is health workers, a nurse, nurse practitioners there working to deal with drug withdrawal, a mental health crisis, have enough capacity to stabilize clients that do not meet the criteria for going to a psychiatric emergency room all the way across town. so we feel that this site is so close to where it needs to be, it's -- it's really ideal, but the real estate purchase got ahead of us. my understanding was there were other offers on this build so the city is moving quickly. so we'd like to focus the

emphasis here as this is a great building and we'd like to work with the supervisors and community to what goes into it. with regard to the safe consumption, it's the idea of a continuum. not everybody wants treatment, not everybody is in a crisis, but when they do and they use the safe consumption site, the medical unit is on the other side. if you have overdose, you can walk around the other side of the building -- actually i think there is a stair that goes down stairs. we have to figure out if we use that for exit and entrances. but they're intimately connected with meeting the street-level needs of people that are seeking services. lastly, i'll see with the crisis -- i'm sorry, the safe consumption site, the evidence is that this greatly improves the neighborhood and the neighborhood safety. overdoses in the neighborhood will decrease. this is multiple, multiple studies.

there has been over a hundred sites in the world at this point and unanimously overdoses decrease, visible use decreases. the risky behaviors related to needle-sharing and the consequences of that decrease. that alone, even if it stood alone, would be a benefit to the neighborhood, but i think, together, they sort of have a one-two punch. but we have a lot of work to do. again, we're actually doing a site visit. we're trying to figure out how we want to fit all into this building. we know it's a good site for building and we'll build a program that serves the community. that's our goal. two programs that will serve the community. >> chair haney: and in terms of how you chose this site, can you -- i understand the particulars of the two properties and all of that, but i definitely received some questions about how -- what

was the process by which the analysis that led us to choose this particular location? >> again, i'm going to turn this over to mr. pennic, but since our bed expansion, we've been working with the real estate division for -- we've been on continuous search for buildings particularly in the d6 area. it's been hard to find with adequate footprint and meet the zoning needs that we need. but i'll turn the specifics over to mr. pennic about this building. >> good afternoon again. as indicated, we work hand in glove with the department of public health in trying to identify sites that meet their ever expanding needs. we're pretty much constantly looking for sites for d.p.h. they identified this particular

use and in this particular geographical area. we identified four potential comparables. of those four comp rabl /* this met -- all the needs for dph and basically had no negatives. it seemed to check all the boxes. and, thus, with the cooperation of d.p.h., we proceeded to negotiate a potential acquisition and we're bringing to that you today for your consideration. >> supervisor, i would like to add to this just that, you know, how important it is to bring services where the community is, where there is need. and we've been hearing from community, from the supervisors

about the intense need in the tenderloin. and again, just working closely with outreach teams that are on the streets every day, this location stood out because of the close proximity to the intense need that we're seeing on the streets. and the ability to be able to connect people. for example, the navigation center is a block away. that would be a great area to connect people that use to the safe consumption component if that is indeed what -- if it moves forward. or like the multiple needs we see on the streets for crisis intervention. >> again, the timing was dictated by the multiple offers that were already pending with this particular seller and the city's desire to take advantage of this unique opportunity.

>> chair haney: this is in line with what the b.l.a. said, too, i would assume that if we move forward to that, there needs to be a report back to the committee in terms of what the specific use is going to be. and i would also ask that there is a report back on what the -- on the community engagement process and the timeline around that. i agree that, you know, this is a building that certainly can meet needs for us without a doubt. and there is obviously huge needs around services particularly related to stopping overdoses and public drug use and serving people who are experiencing -- or who are addicted and who have needs for services around that, but i also think that, you know, one of the challenges is if we were to do a

community process now, not only could we potentially lose this building, but we're not actually sure yet it sounds like how we intend to use this building, so we need to go through a process once people can give that input and come to that conclusion, but then it would be important to come back to the board and present on what that use is going to be and also what the -- what the commitments are in terms of the -- the partnership with the neighborhood, who i know still have a lot of questions. you know, whenever we -- even if something is a use, which i think there is absolutely a need for these types of services, there are things that we do for and with the neighborhood to make sure that it's done safely, to make sure that the residents are engaged, that there is accountability, you know, that we have clear sets of rules and standards and i think that when

you talk about something like a safe-consumption site, of which this would be the first one in san francisco, and i'm a very loud and active proponent, because these sites save lives, i also would say that when we open the first one, we have to do it very intentionally with clear commitments to the surrounding area, clear safety and health standards both for people who are entering the facility and the surrounding area. i mean, this is cannot be done haphazardly or with shortcuts. so i just -- i have -- i support this as i have said, but at the same time i really don't think that because we're buying the building before we announce the services that we can cut corners

on the partnership and commitments with the neighborhood. i think that -- i'm, you know -- i'm -- i don't -- this would not be my preference that we are doing it this way. i would prefer that we were clear with the community about what is going to go in this facility and work with them before hand. instead for them, it feels like we're buying the facility, not telling them what is going to go into it but saying we kind of know what is going in it, and we'll talk to you about it later. even though i strongly support safe consumption sites and opening one in san francisco, i would say that is not at all the ideal process to say the least. so -- but i also understand that this is for a variety of reasons. a property that can meet the needs. and that certainly we will have a use for, but we cannot fall short of the commitment to doing this right in terms of the

process and the communication and the engagement moving forward. supervisor safai? >> supervisor safai: thank you, chair haney. i think you asked a lot of my questions. i understand this concentration of need in this part of town for sure. and no one knows that better than you since you live there. i started my career in this district, worked there for almost two decades, so it's -- i'm very protective of that area as well. i care deeply about it. my question to d.p.h. is, what are the source of funds for purchasing this building? >> the source of funds are prop c. one-time expenditure funds, which again have been pre-allocated or pre-budgeted. first for the crisis diversion unit will come out of prop c

operating dollars. we're budgeting $4.5 million plus expected medi-cal reimbursement. i will get -- no, that's it. that's what i know of now. the rest of it, i think we are still exploring. and it's really one of the reasons we haven't come to the community yet. this is really under development. i think you're seeing it realtime. and the commitment to keep the board involved is definitely a priority. supervisor haney, this is your district. i hope that you're going to be all over this in helping us to, you know, look at the issues and answers that you're wanting. and we'll also be doing this process as part of our requirements at the health commission. so there will be a lot of -- >> thank you for that, okay, so it's prop c. did you take this to the prop c oversight committee to talk to about with them? >> not me personally, but we've been working with our city, our

home team and have been bringing the budget forward to their -- >> supervisor safai: because i know that we recently, again, we purchased a hotel in my district, but they were required to have a community meeting prior to that process. and i think that, you know, i support moving forward with having these alternative sites, but i also, it does give me significant pause when people haven't had the opportunity to weigh in. and there is always the push and the drive to say that, you know, multiple offers -- we hear that often. i mean, that's not to dismiss that in any way. we work closely with the director and his team and they do a phenomenal job, but i also know at times when the city is involved, all of a sudden, new offers come in and they try to put pressure on us to close the deal. i see director pennic smiling because he knows that that's the game that gets played.

so i just feel like for me, having a community involvement process, you know, particularly when you haven't decided -- we did the same thing. there was a lot of opposition. a lot of people didn't want the to buy the hotel. we had initial meetings and we told them we were going to have additional meetings to decide the use of the site. so it does put us in a quandary. the other question i want to know -- i understand what you said about bringing the services where the need are, but there is also a real high concentration of services in the tenderloin. you referenced the t.a.y. site just up the street. and sometimes these uses don't actually -- i was -- i don't exactly understood what your statement was, but sometimes

these don't complement one another, they conflict with one another. i want to talk about that a little bit. because supervisor haney when he first came on the board had a resolution to talk about other parts of san francisco doing their fair share. i took that to heart. we purchased a hotel in my district. we're building the first family affordable housing that has formerly homeless in my district's history. i took that very seriously, so i'm curious, you said there were other locations you looked at, director, pennic, were all of those locations in the tenderloin, or did you look outside that area? >> i believe that they were in the tenderloin area, supervisor safai, through the chair, in part we searched for what we're asked to search for. >> i got it. you answered the question.

you're not the policy maker. there is always this conversation about concentration and oversaturation of service and having one part of san francisco disproportionately bear the burden of that, for lack of a better word. there is always conversation about do the services attract more people to the area? is the disbursement of those services important? i fall down on the latter. i think that overconcentration does not necessarily help in the delivery of those services and oftentimes can be triggering to people who are trying to move away from what their life was. so i just want you to talk about that a little bit and why only the tenderloin and why an oversaturation of services? >> thank you so much, supervisor safai, for your comment. and i hear you.

it's a complicated balance. the reason that we were initially focused primarily in the tenderloin is because several years ago we had the safe injection services task force and there were some interviews with people who used drugs and just conversations. and the main area that kept coming up was the tenderloin followed by south of market followed by the mission followed by the bayview. and so while i completely agree that services need to be dispersed throughout the city, the reason that the -- the t.l. location was elevated was because that's where the largest concentration of people who use drugs are and that is also where, unfortunately, the number

of overdoses are occurring. and so that is the thought. i mean, in an ideal world, we'd be able to have several locations and this site will just be a pilot and we'll be able to normalize these in all the different neighborhoods of the city, but that was the initial thought. >> supervisor safai: i want to go back to the question of prop c. did the actual prop c oversight committee weigh in and give a formal consent and recommendation to move these funds? >> may i get back to you on that? i'm getting a message from our finance person. i believe it is yes, but i'd like to -- may i get back to you. i don't know if i can do that in the meeting in terms of confirming or disconfirming that, supervisor? >> supervisor safai: i just want to say, again, we just held up something else with d.p.h.

because we didn't agree with their process. we didn't agree with them going over the agreed upon not to exceed contract limit. they exceeded that contract limit by $6 million and then you all came back and asked us to increase the contract by $60 million to cover that overspending and then extend the contract again. so we've set up these processes, oversight committee has been deeply involved in the process. i understand the money was allocated for one-time funding purchases, but we certainly don't want to circumvent what the voters set up. and the voters set up this oversight committee to be a fiscal kind of watchdog from the community side on how those dollars are spent. so that's actually very important to me before i make a final decision personally. >> okay, so i received message. my question was, can you confirm the prop c review of this property at ocoh, our city, our

home, and my staff colleague said we have not brought the specific purchase to them. so... that's the response that i have. >> supervisor safai: are you required as part of this process to get prop c to weigh in and -- >> um -- okay, so the second part is, the cdu, which is our crisis diversion unit, is an approved our city, our home program. so, the building purchase which is again one-time funds. the funds have been pre-allocated but the purchase has not been brought up with the committee yet. >> supervisor safai: and you'll have some of the members from the prop c oversight committee call in and hear from them directly, but it would be good to understand that process a little better. i understand you're saying they have not, but it would be good to know. we don't want to make -- we

don't want to rush through something and then get overly criticized again. we have a few colleagues on the board of supervisors that don't attend the budget meetings, but take a great interest when things get to the final vote at the board of supervisors and, so, we'd like to have all the answers to those questions before we make a final decision. but, chair, i'm trying to hold off until i know the public comment, there is probably a lot of people calling in. we can move to that and come back to answer that question. >> chair haney: one last -- so the crisis diversion unit will occupy 70% of the building. the operational funds from that have been approved by our city our home committee. the $6.3 million has been pre-allocated for some one-time purchase to house like a crisis diversion unit, but this specific building site, acquisition had not been -- nor a conversation with it also being co-located with the safe

consumption site. >> chair haney: thank you. >> thank you very much. >> chair haney: thank you. well, why don't we open up to public comment now. we'll have one minute each for public comment. mr. clerk? >> clerk: thank you, chair haney. operations is checking to see if there are any callers in the queue. members of the public who wish to provide comment on the item, please press star 3 to be added to the line to speak. for those already on hold, continue to wait until the system indicates you've been unmuted and that will be your cue to begin your comments. currently, we see 36 members of the public listening with 26 lined up to speak. so, please be patient. we will try to get to the line as quickly as possible. first speaker, please. >> caller: hello, chair haney,

supervisor, i'm a fourth native san franciscan. i live in the mission district. i urge you to support the purchase of the building at gathery and hyde to be used as a safe consumption site. this past october i lost the love of my life to overdose. we buried him the day before his 46th birthday. while he struggled with mental health issues, he died alone and part of me wonders if he might not have died if he had access to a safe site to oversee his use of the crystal meth that was laced with fentanyl that killed him. how many more have to die before we open up the site? new york has two. they saved 15 lives in a week. san francisco used to be on the cutting edge of programs like this. [please stand by] [please stand by]

>> please support this resolution. acquire the building and proceed with the urgency this moment deserves. thank you >> thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: i work in san francisco. i live right next door to these locations. without safe consumption i am seeing overdoses on the way to and from work. i am grateful to those in my building overwhelming in support of safe consumption sites at this location. we know having services in the tenderloin near other services

are more successful. that is proven. there has been extensive community conversations about this over the past 10 years. the only disagreements about the location with [indiscernable] we heard the evidence say science. i will leave it at that. thank you so much. >> clerk: next speaker, please. >> caller: good afternoon. i am the policy for glide. calling in strong support for the acquisition for the property at geary and hyde to open an overdose site. prior to covid-19 san francisco already faced significant drug overdoses. tragically it has worsened. the need for services amplified. the vulnerable neighbors are

experiencing this. two people in san francisco die every year from overdose. this resolution represents an opportunity to help address the needs of people who use drugs. science is emphatic and they are cost-effective. listen to the people who use drug and immediately implement the overdose prevention site >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: hello, supervisors. i am the community engagement manager for glide. i urge you to support the property to open an overdose prevention center. it is a opportunity for the city to be a beacon to fill a need. those utilizing the services are

taking the steps towards recovery and being safe. meet them halfway by making these site acquisitions a reality. the every day we delay is a death of two citizens or more. immediately implement the overdose prevention sites. thank you. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: hi. i work in the tenderloin and part of the glide. i urge you to support acquisition of the property to open the overdose prevention site. every week i provide supplies. i serve many unhoused drug uses her expressed how much the sites would help. the trauma these folks experience is unimaginable. they told stories of family and

friends dying in their arms. it is time to combat this public health crisis that killed over 700 in san francisco last year. public drug use and h.i.v. and take folks to groups. data don't lie. every day we delay is overdose death of two people. immediately implement overdose prevention sites. thank you. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: good afternoon. i am rebecca killian, district 2. seventh and eighth grade sister in san francisco and proud volunteer at sf aids. i urge you to support the prevention site. my seventh graders for folks

accesses the syringe access understand that everyone including the iv drug users are members of the community. all members of our community deserve a safe, hygienic space to belong and be greeted with a smile. this will henry store trust in public services and save lives. if folk return they will know who to turn to seek treatment. let us wrap our arms around those. we need to end criminalization of those using drugs and save lives with the support of the board of supervisors we can achieve lasting support. >> caller: we are timing each speaker one minute. next speaker, please.

>> caller: hello, haves. i am brooke. director of harm reduction in an organization that continues to provide services to those impacted by criminalization. we urge you to support immediate acquisition at 822 geary and 629 hyde to open the overdose prevention site and to immediately act against criminalization that endangers those that use drugs. as program director in the tenderloin district and distributing 100 units of narcan. getting it into the hands of people using drugs are saving lives every day. the situation is now dire.

opening of this site is long overdue is just the beginning. we need operations so safer consumption services. we need sites for women and youth and neighborhood >> your time has elapsed. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. reminding that we are timing each speaker at one minute. next speaker, please. >> caller: i am a doctor and addiction medicine specialist and parent of three giving in district one. i want to point out a fact. we have city-funded infection sites, library, hospitals, parks, shelters. they are unsupervised and

dangerous. as a dr. we need a facility for overdose prevention to save lives and show the people we love and respect them for who they are. it is the opposite of addiction connection. restore dignity and increase confidence they can make a change. rapidly approve funding for the site acquisition. thank you >> clerk: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: i am alex. policy and public affairs manager at 360 to support the acquisition of the property and to open an overdose prevehicles site. to address something supervisor safai said these services are needed in a lot of places.

this should be the first of many overdose sites. we can take immediate action to save live also. the sites are evidence-based. they have been improving outcomes for those using drugs. we are seeing two overdose deaths each day the longer we take to implement the lives more people will lose lives. please support to acquisition and implementation of overdose prevention sites. thank you. >> clerk: next speaker, please. >> caller: good afternoon, chair and supervisors. i am a district nine mission resident, executive board member and member of the harvey milk club. this demands action now.

we must stay focused on timeliness. with two overdoses per day, every day matters. we know that these save lives, good for neighborhoods, reduce crimes, public drug uses and there needs to be multiple saves. lives matter. i have narcaned someone on the street. let's improve the lives for san franciscans. the best time to plant a tree is yesterday. the next best time is now. get these sites open now. do the right thing. thank you >> thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> this is laura executive director of the services at the san francisco league foundation.

i want to thank the committee and board of supervisors for your consistent support for supervised consumption services. i point out there has been extensive community conversation back to 1977. the task force focusing on the drug sales in the tenderloin identified openly, supervised consumption as one of the key recommendations to reduce the impacts of drug sales in the area. in line with the evidence that we know that these sites reduce crime and drug use around them. they address racial equity. currently african-americans are overdosing in san francisco. in order to address that we need to open sites. we can't wait until this site is built out.

we need services sooner as well as this site. the sooner we can get services up and running in mobile sites around the city the sooner we can be saving lives. i know you understand the urgency of the situation. i encourage the committee to be part of the solution and not to delay. >> clerk: your time is up. next speaker, please. >> caller: hello. i am brittany. i am the strategic director since 2011. i am in full support of this purchase. overdose crisis is intertwined with help petitis. they have a strategy [indiscernable] to improve access to h.i.v. and

hepatitis c care. if you care at all about improving health out comes, please approve this purchase. thank you. >> clerk: next speaker, please. >> caller: hi. i am jacob turner i live in oakland and a strongly urge you to support this building to open an overdose prevention site. this shrub the first such site in san francisco. i have lost friends, classmates and members of the community to overdose. every day we delay we lose two live to overdose. please support the property acquisition and implement overdose prevention sites. thank you for your time. >> clerk: next speaker, please.

>> caller: i am hannah. i live in mission district. member of glide in the tenderloin. i urge you to support this property. i like all callers have been personally affected by the overdose crisis. to reverse overdose i can tell you how enormous of an impact this can have on the community. every day we delay there are two more deaths. please support the acquisition and immediately implement overdose prevention sites. thank you. >> caller: thank you for your comments. next speaker

>> clerk: do we have a caller on the line? >> caller: i am [indiscernable] i live here and am part of the san francisco aid foundation. i want to urge you to support the acquisition of the property and open the overdose prevention site. at the foundation i am working at the project for free substance abuse counseling for gay and by. we have been open for 23 years. my clients are using cocaine and methamphetamine. this would be helpful to our clients. many would take advantage. this is a social justice issue. i hope san francisco can be part of that. every day we delay results in

two more deaths of san san francisco. i urge you to support the property acquisition. thank you. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: i am doctor joe and emergency department medical director for st. francis hospital. we support this acquisition. at emergency department our role is to stabilize patients. we saw 20,000 patients last year. the patient population encompasses 40% in 94102, 3, 4 area codes. 80% are on government-funded insurance.

what we have seen over the past couple years is an increase in overdose deaths. emergency department has seen is same increase in patients. since september we have seen an increase in high risk combative patients with double the number of patients with abusive behavior and restrained. the in out team does a great job. more of the patients need the services in the tenderloin. >> clerk: your time is up. thank you for your comments. i do apologize for cutting you off. we are timing each speaker at one minute. >> caller: good afternoon. i live in sunset district 4. i support the coalition and calling to urge you to support the acquisition of the property and use it to immediately open

overdose prevention site for the city. people using drugs are community members. we have a responsibility to protect the lives of all community members, especially those impacted by the crisis. those unhousing, low income and black and people of color. we know overdose prevention sites work. we have seen the site and reversal in just one week of operation. we need overdose prevention sites in san francisco now. a measure is coming late was we see how deadly the crisis continues to be. every day we delay is two or more overdose deaths in san francisco. please support the property acquisition and implement overdose prevention >> clerk: next speaker, please.

>> caller: i am the director of operations for the project in san francisco. i work in the tenderloin for 13 years. we are calling to support taking bold action to save lives and provide a solution of epidemic of needs less deaths by offering life saving services through safe consumption in the tenderloin. 35 years these evidence-based interventions are spree haven'tg in new york city. this makes sense. the stakeholders have asked for

these services for years. we have been doing outreach and community building. it is connected to the health and well-being of the community. be brave, join the friends in new york city who reversed 15 overdoses since last week today secure a location for life saving services in the tenderloin. >> clerk: next speaker, please. >> community engagement coordinator. i urge you to buy the property at geary and hyde. more lives are lost. [indiscernable] provides a space for drug uses

for positive change. evidence shows it will reduce number of people injecting publicly as well as [indiscernable] overdose deaths. the health of the individual drug user but impacts the overall health of our community. we have lost more to overdose in san francisco than covid. do something about this now. not when we have lost countless more. please support the property now and open the safe consumption sites in san francisco immediately. thank you for your time. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please >> caller: hello, supervisors. i live in the mission. i am part of glide harm

reduction. i work at the corner of taylor and ellis four days a week. overdoses occur daily. they are still on the rise. every day the people that i serve at the syringe access desk tell me the increase in overdoses they are reversing themselves. two are lost a day to overdose. act immediately anding choir the property at geary and hyde and use it as the first of many safe consumption sites in the city. thank you. >> clerk: next speaker, please hello. i am wendy harris resident of d6. d3 out my front door and d6 out

my backdoor. i have been in this neighborhood over 20 years. i want to call in support of the initiative and the property purchase. i have raised my daughter in this neighborhood. walking down geary to get to our favorite playgrounds we have to walk by people in various states of being high. i worry one day we will have to have toadminister drugs. we need a safe use site so the people can live in dignity regardless of addiction. please, i urge you to vote in support of the purchase of this property. thank you. >> clerk: thank you before we call the next caller we have 27 members of the public listening. 11 in the queue. if you have not spoken and you wish to do so dial star 3 now to

be added the queue. next speaker, please. >> caller: thank you for letting me speak today, supervisors. i am harkin a harm reduction. i have worked in the tenderloin for 20 years. i have been in the [indiscernable] multiple overdoses of people in doorways, stairwells, some overdose between parked cars. i am still incredulous why we don't have intervention. [indiscernable] we need another study. this intervention is over a year

ago. 100% effective at preventing overdoses. [indiscernable] please address this issue. i hope today you move this forward. it is highly significant. thank you. >> caller: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> my name is mike. i work add at the glide center for social justice. i encourage you to open the safe injection site. i have worked here four years and seen the compassionate work our team has done through harm

reduction. can't imagine living in a city where we do not prioritize the lives of all. i want to encourage you. thank you so much. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please >> caller: good afternoon. i am eric. i am the advocacy manager for glide for social justice. we support 822 geary and 629 hyde. the studies have shown that public injection sites go down and the health and safety of the surrounding area. [indiscernable] people use drug publicly. safety in the neighborhood where

they are located. thank you. >> clerk: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: thank you for this opportunity to speak in support of purchasing the building at geary and hyde to be used as overdose prevention site. i work at the project daytime shelter for those that need rest. overdose prevention prevents spread of disease. we are in a crisis and people are dying. do not delay in opening the site. yes, it is not an either or. we need more detox and access treatment. you can not detox the dead. every person who has overdosed is someone's family and friend.

2000 people due died in five years we delayed opening. what is the number of deaths to move people in action. we now overaging two people a day whose relative died of overdose. move forward now. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: hello, supervisors. i am calling as district 6 resident. i love two blocks away. i want to say anyone listening can speak on the dire issue of overdose and need for supervised consumption sites. this will be benefit for those that use drugs. our neighbors are local

businesses. public health of our community. it is extremely important. we can't waste any more time. thank you >> clerk: we have 19 listeners with five in the queue. this is the last call. if you have north spoken regarding this matter dial star 3 to be added to the line to speak. otherwise we will take the five to the end. next speaker, please. >> caller: hello. i am curtis brad ford. co-choy the tenderloin peoples congress. i support acquiring the property and opening the overdose prevention site. people are dying every day in the tenderloin. i found people on the sidewalk. they were reversed.

i had to save by while they tried to someone and were too late. every day there will be more dead bodies. is that graphic? it is horrible. it is horrible to know that every day there are dead bodies in the tenderloin. quit playing politics. open it now. i want to stress the importance of the city working directly with the community, residents in the area and service providers in the area to hear and address any concerns and to ensure we do this in a way that has a good outcome to everyone and the positive impact. >> clerk: your time elapsed. we are timing each speaker at

one minute. next speaker, please. >> caller: i am gary mccoy director policy and public affairs health right 350. in my 20s i was in the tenderloin. injected drugs where ever i could, restrooms, sidewalk and shelters. untreated diagnoses and seen at general hospital with blood accesses and complications as a result of my substance abuse disorder. i did not trust anyone due to the trauma. i finally seeked help. i would have used the supervisorred site. ir did not want to use on the streets. i had no choice. i don't know how my life would have changed with one of those

sites. i am tired of losing friends. when you are dead you do not get second chances. please support this acquisition. >> clerk: thank you. next speaker, please. >> good evening, supervisors. i am paul. i live in san francisco. i am calling to support the purchase of this site and to support safe consumption sites. more over, i am calling for an end to the war on drugs and the use of our resources in nonviolent means like these. we have seen evidence that the prohibition and war on drugs caused more dangerous substances to emerge. we can't prohibit our way out, can't arrest our way out. we can create safe zones for it. that is what we should do, what

we must do. that is the way to safety for our city. thank you very much. >> clerk: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> caller: i am lee. i live on larkin near geary. i am a regular person living in the neighborhood. not a professional interested in opening this safe consumption site. i want to say 822 geary is close to why it needs to be. why? because there are drug dealers all over the sidewalks especially larkin and turk. if you let them operate in the castro. this whole area is over saturated with homeless hotels and drug programs. you have got multiple hotels along there.

now you want to put more in d6? you need to open it up in some other district. the need is not there. i doesn't need to be there. you are making a disneyland for drug users. think about the children and residents in the area. there is a playground in the corner. how many more drug programs on the black. two shootings recently. >> clerk: your time is up. i apologize for cutting you off. next speaker, please. >> caller: hi, i am a native san franciscan. i am senior director for the center for justice glide. i urge you to support acquisition to open the overdose

prevention site. the property is ideal. that is where the need is the greatest to establish this center there. these types of sites are proven to save lives. we are called to do that in this wonderful city of san francisco. please support this acquisition. thank you very much. >> clerk: do we have any more speakers in the queue? >> caller: i am matt sharp. i live in oakland. i am on the leadership team of the h.i.v. advocacy. please support this. this is the first of many overdose sites in san francisco with the safety and process in developing new sites has well been established and done right in san francisco.

this acquisition will save lives. i am a long term aids survivor and harm reduction services for many years. i know harm reduction is effective. san francisco is known for model of h.i.v. care delivery. our society must respond to dignified rights of a user community. thank you. >> clerk: can you confirm if we have reached the end of the queue >> that completes the queue >> clerk: thank you, mr. chair. >> supervisor haney: i want to thank everyone who called in and dph and the director. i appreciate you. this is in my district.

i live a block from where this site will be. i appreciate everyone who called in. i support safe consumption sites, overdose prevention sites because they are proven to save lives. they help to get drug use public drug use off the streets for folks concerned about public drug use this is a solution to that also it will get people into treatment and care. there is a lot of positive impacts that come from safe consumption sites. i think this can help us address what is the most deadly epidemic in the city which is drug overdoses. i also think the need for crisis diversion and other types of services beyond be safe counseling sites are clear. if you walk around the

neighborhood there are people that need to be inside getting help, getting treatment, getting housing so they don't go back to the street. that is all more effective inside than out on the street. what we are doing right now is not working. with all of that said i do think that there needs to be a process once this is purchased with the neighborhood to clarify what the partnership of the community will be, the standards, the commitment to health and safety and that will need to be an important timeline. i would like to move this forward. supervisor safai if you can be click. >> i will do my best to be quick. real fast. i want to say appreciate the opportunity to have at least a

potential for safe injection. as you said, having a place for people in crisis, seeing the condition of streets in san francisco with people in crisis, i have never seen it this way in 21 years. we need to try new things to move aggressively to help people. the opportunities are extremely important. to have them in close proximity to the people in crisis is important. spreading out and having conversations in the future are worthwhile. i agree with supervisor haney. we definitely need to have a community process. that is why i asked about prop c. i appreciate you answering those, doctor. this is a one-time allocation for one-time purchases, had gone through the process. that gave me assurance i need.

as supervisor haney said i know he will be involved in it since it is his community. i want to thank you all for your hard work. i definitely we need to do things differently and trying new solutions that include the possibility of safe injection that include additional sites and getting people off the streets that are in crisis. thank you, chair haney. >> i also want to say i agree and i should have said this. i appreciate supervisor safai's commitment to help us ensure these services are all over the city. the next one will be in district 11. you heard it here first >> i think district 4 is ready. go ahead, supervisor mar

>> in all seriousness, this is a city-wide challenge and problem. these services are needed all over the city. i think they help to solve problems, not create problems when they are done right with that said i appreciate both you, supervisor safai and supervisor mar for your support on this. i do want to accept the bla amendments to ensure this comes back to us with both a outline of what the services will be and i would like you to come back to talk about the process in terms of the timeline once that is decided >> may i address the bla amendments in a way to improve them? >> first of all, i want to thank the supervisors and speakers

that spoke. both programs and purchase of the building. i understand the interest is on the programs. the bla says we should come back to you in six months with a director's report. >> i think six months is too long. i think we should come back and find be a mechanism that would be expedient with the process and come forward. that would be my thought is that we workout something different in six months. i also think the second amendment is six months for the second bed optimization report. we are out of covid. everything will be retrospective. we would like the report in one year to use this year's data to inform us for the next year. we are bringing beds online. we have had shelter-in-place. if we produce in six months we

will not give you a good report. i would like to maybe work with your office or the mayor's office to figure out a way to keep you in the loop, keep the health commission in the loop. i think you as the point person, supervisor haney makes sense. six months is too long. we will be lagging rather than ahead of the ball >> okay. mr. mennards is there a bitter way to say that that you would recommend in a short amount of time? you are on mute >> i think whatever the committee thinks is appropriate. we will track to make sure the

report is delivered. the optimization report back and how the property will be used. also the total cost that is an important piece of this. it is still unknown >> what is the appropriate time, three months? >> i am thinking three months for the purchase and the programming. perhaps 12 months for the optimization report. six months is not going to give you anything reliable. we have started planning and 12 months is the cycle we are looking at >> three months you will come back and tell us what you are going to do there? >> i think that three months is good. it is really important that as we mentioned today we are committed to community be process, committed to the partnership

>> all right. we will take those two timelines. three months, come back. 12 months for the optimization. what do you mean by optimization? we look at flow. you have to take the buckets, figure out where you have gaps, how willing beds you need to optimize what is coming into the system and what is moving on through the system. it is very dynamic and fluid analysis >> how many beds do you need on the hospital ward to make sure the emergency room can continue to operate? that is what we do >> we are going to see you twice in the first year. first time in the next three months. i move to accept amendments. roll call, please. >> clerk: point of clarification. you did mention the interest in

accepting the bla recommendations. then you added the community outreach process timeline. did you want that added? >> that is what they are to talk to us in the next three months >> on the motion to amends the resolution as stated. vice chair safai >> aye >> member mar >> aye >> chair haney >> aye >> we have three ayes >> great. now, i want to make a motion to move this item to the full board with positive recommendation as amended >> on the motion for assignment to the full board with positive recommendation as amended. vice chair safai >> aye >> member mar >> aye >> chair haney >> aye

>> we have three ayes >> great. thank you for your work and your time. we will see you in a couple months. i will see you sooner than that. thank you. >> supervisors, thank you. so much appreciated >> mr. clerk, anything else in front of us today? >> clerk: that concludes our business >> this meeting is adjourned. thank you all.

my name is doctor ellen moffett, i am an assistant medical examiner for the city and county of san francisco. i perform autopsy, review medical records and write

reports. also integrate other sorts of testing data to determine cause and manner of death. i have been here at this facility since i moved here in november, and previous to that at the old facility. i was worried when we moved here that because this building is so much larger that i wouldn't see people every day. i would miss my personal interactions with the other employees, but that hasn't been the case. this building is very nice. we have lovely autopsy tables and i do get to go upstairs and down stairs several times a day to see everyone else i work with. we have a bond like any other group of employees that work for a specific agency in san francisco. we work closely on each case to determine the best cause of death, and we also interact with family members of the diseased.

that brings us closer together also. >> i am an investigator two at the office of the chief until examiner in san francisco. as an investigator here i investigate all manners of death that come through our jurisdiction. i go to the field interview police officers, detectives, family members, physicians, anyone who might be involved with the death. additionally i take any property with the deceased individual and take care and custody of that. i maintain the chain and custody for court purposes if that becomes an issue later and notify next of kin and make any additional follow up phone callsness with that particular death. i am dealing with people at the worst possible time in their lives delivering the worst news they could get. i work with the family to help them through the grieving process. >> i am ricky moore, a clerk at

the san francisco medical examiner's office. i assist the pathology and toxicology and investigative team around work close with the families, loved ones and funeral establishment. >> i started at the old facility. the building was old, vintage. we had issues with plumbing and things like that. i had a tiny desk. i feet very happy to be here in the new digs where i actually have room to do my work. >> i am sue pairing, the toxicologist supervisor. we test for alcohol, drugs and poisons and biological substances. i oversee all of the lab operations. the forensic operation here we perform the toxicology testing for the human performance and

the case in the city of san francisco. we collect evidence at the scene. a woman was killed after a robbery homicide, and the dna collected from the zip ties she was bound with ended up being a cold hit to the suspect. that was the only investigative link collecting the scene to the suspect. it is nice to get the feedback. we do a lot of work and you don't hear the result. once in a while you heard it had an impact on somebody. you can bring justice to what happened. we are able to take what we due to the next level. many of our counterparts in other states, cities or countries don't have the resources and don't have the beautiful building and the equipmentness to really advance what we are doing. >> sometimes we go to court. whoever is on call may be called

out of the office to go to various portions of the city to investigate suspicious deaths. we do whatever we can to get our job done. >> when we think that a case has a natural cause of death and it turns out to be another natural cause of death. unexpected findings are fun. >> i have a prior background in law enforcement. i was a police officer for 8 years. i handled homicides and suicides. i had been around death investigation type scenes. as a police officer we only handled minimal components then it was turned over to the coroner or the detective division. i am intrigued with those types of calls. i wondered why someone died. i have an extremely supportive family.

older children say, mom, how was your day. i can give minor details and i have an amazing spouse always willing to listen to any and all details of my day. without that it would be really hard to deal with the negative components of this job. >> being i am a native of san francisco and grew up in the community. i come across that a lot where i may know a loved one coming from the back way or a loved one seeking answers for their deceased. there are a lot of cases where i may feel affected by it. if from is a child involved or things like that. i try to not bring it home and not let it affect me. when i tell people i work at the medical examiners office. what do you do? the autopsy? i deal with the enough and --

with the administrative and the families. >> most of the time work here is very enjoyable. >> after i started working with dead people, i had just gotten married and one night i woke up in a cold sweat. i thought there was somebody dead? my bed. i rolled over and poked the body. sure enough, it was my husband who grumbled and went back to sleep. this job does have lingering effects. in terms of why did you want to go into this? i loved science growing up but i didn't want to be a doctor and didn't want to be a pharmacist. the more i learned about forensics how interested i was of the perfect combination between applied science and criminal justice. if you are interested in finding

out the facts and truth seeking to find out what happened, anybody interested in that has a place in this field. >> being a woman we just need to go for it and don't let anyone fail you, you can't be. >> with regard to this position in comparison to crime dramas out there, i would say there might be some minor correlations. let's face it, we aren't hollywood, we are real world. yes we collect evidence. we want to preserve that. we are not scanning fingerprints in the field like a hollywood television show. >> families say thank you for what you do, for me that is extremely fulfilling. somebody has to do my job. if i can make a situation that is really negative for someone more positive, then i feel like i am doing the right thing for the city of san francisco.you.

>> what do you think about ou. working at an airport and i love it is busy all the time. >> we want it to be an those away was this is a venture if i didn't love it i'll be an accountant. >> we want the experience that is a non-airport experience the

negative stigma we're trying to erase that. >> everything is in a bad food to excite them about the food and they have time to learn about us. >> people are imitated by traveling and the last thing to do is come to a place fill of chaos. >> telling me how the extent of napa a farms came about. >> it was a vision of the airport director he had a suspicion of a really cool gourmet speciality market locally friendly products this market local flavors this is the best. >> can we get a little tour. >> absolutely (laughter) ♪♪ ♪♪ >> so first on our tour.

>> we have the clock we like to call it. >> this is coordinating it is made in san francisco. >> what about the customer presence. >> we like to get the permanent farther i love the cappuccino and you have to go to multiple places for the cupcakes the cup a cakes from kari's people want to live here they're longing phone call for one thing in one spot in you know anything about san francisco the cheese the most popular cheesy think a lot of the people from the west coast say so this the real san francisco sour dough and they're curious. >> you find people respond to the idea of organic and

absolutely. >> this is autumn. >> thank you, thank you and there's a lot of personal touch. >> i see san francisco. >> it's very hands on. >> what's the most popular items. >> this is quite surprising our fresh jotting this is the chronicle special a bowl of warm oats and coconut that's mites farther. >> and speaking of drinks tell me again the cocktail scenes is that one, the things your known for . >> the cocktails are fantastic. >> really. >> fresh ingredients we don't have a mixture it to order this is our marcus bloody mayor.

>> farmer's market bloody mary the bloody marys in the airport are great shikz it up. and then we're going to garnish it with olives. and some lime and a fresh stalk of selly. right on. >> we like

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option when it's time for public comment. if calling by phone, dial star, nine to be added to the speaker line. when your item of interest comes up, you will be unmuted when it's your turn to speak. please call from a quiet location, speak clearly and slowly, and turn down your television or radio. additionally, you may provide a question or comment via the chat function. thank you, sfgtv for streaming this meeting live. we'll start with a roll call. >> clerk: okay. [roll call]

>> all right. the first order of business is general public comment, and i'll ask senior inspector rice, is there any public comment? >> i'm checking right now, and there is none. >> all right. the next agenda item is number two, which is the approval of the minutes from november 26, 2021 commission meeting. do we have a motion to approve the minutes? >> i move to approve the minutes. >> second. >> i'll double down. >> all right. is there any public comment on the minutes? >> there is none. >> all right. then we can vote. >> clerk: okay. [roll call] >> all right. the meeting's minutes have been approved. the next is item 3, which is a

report from executive director weiland. >> hello, and good evening, commissioners, again. i have a very brief report this evening as announcements. as you all know, we are going to be hosting a small holiday gathering this year. a little bit unlike years past, it's not going to be formal in regard to programming, so it's just a come, hangout, meet up, celebrate, and i think we all just need to get together after being apart for so long and be able to just have a moment with each other and people in your industry. so that's happening a week from tomorrow, wednesday, december 15. we hope you can all be there, and we're following policy for you all so you can attend as a quorum. it's going to be at the white chapel.

that's 600 polk street, at the corner of turk. it starts at 5:30, and it's going to be a cash bar, and you can buy food if you're hungry. so hope all of you guys can make it, and we've put out information on our social media channel and on our newsletter, which went out to all of our membership on friday of last week, and we're going to repost a few more times, so just share it with people in the industry. we'd love to see you, again, next week, december 15, at 5:30 p.m., at white chapel on polk street at the corner of turk. that's it. >> very good. is there any questions, are there any questions?

>> there is no public comment. >> okay. let's move onto the report from the deputy director caitlin azevedo. >> thank you. only a few items to inform you about. we received 36 violations in the last week, and it was the slowest that inspector fiorentino had. i have a few updates for you, and the first is to discuss may's. we received 19 complaints about maze since july of this year, with a recent uptick in

complaints beginning in october. all but the first complaint have been anonymous, and the inspector has visited the business eight times? he's found the business in compliance all but once. the one instance where they were not in compliance, they heard music coming into the alleyway. this was on november 6, and it ended up coming from the kitchen where employees were working and had the door propped open. so inspector fiorentino talked to them about sound and spoke with the owner, and they closed the door. the owner has since installed sound curtains to try to mitigate the sound. since october 6, we've received eight complaints and responded through times more, so we're recommending that we

deprioritize future complaints at this time. the next is ocean beach cafe at 733 la playa street. recently, they underwent an ownership change, and you all granted the new owner an l.l.p. since july. they also hold a j.a.m. permit for their outdoor entertainment and sound. the owner recently informed me that they're being harassed by a neighborhood. inspector fiorentino noticed the sound being slightly louder than the volume was allowed. he informed the owner, and the owner turned down the music immediately, and we received another complaint, and when we

responded, they were within limits. the last business is [indiscernible] at 633 hayes street. inspector fiorentino responded in real-time. he spoke with the owner about the j.a.m. permit requirement, and within a week, the owner had obtained a j.a.m. permit. so since then, we received another complaint. inspector fiorentino responded and they were in full compliance with their j.a.m. conditions. he spoke to the owner about the complaint and he was really eager to be a good neighbor. since the complaint was anonymous, i ask the complainant if he could give the owner his contact information, and he said yes. i just want to highlight the excellent work that our field inspectors are doing to ensure compliance and neighborhood

capability. so that's all for the director's report, but i'm happy to answer questions if you have any. >> questions? >> i notice that edinburgh castle is back in the report again, but i didn't notice anything changing. >> yeah. we're still receiving complaints. inspector fiorentino has responded to a couple of them when they come in, and there's just a person, maybe no people in there. it's very quiet programmed music that's playing. they have not been in violation of their permit conditions, even remotely close to, and i did receive a copy of the incident report from that incident at northern station about the patron that came in -- what is the word that i'm looking for, came in and wreaked havoc -- that's not the

word i'm looking for. came in and destroyed equipment. i was not able to confirm that it was, in fact, the neighbor who had been sort of complaining constantly, as well. i just don't know for certain who the individual -- >> can i ask you, do you know if we collected any footage? >> i believe that no footage was collected -- definitely on our end. >> well, it would have been listed in the police report if it was. >> i can double-check, but i don't believe that any was. >> okay. if it was, please let me know. >> okay. sounds great. >> okay. any further questions? i'm just going to share the slide real quick in case anybody wants to call in.

all right. i'm checking right now, and there are no hands raised, and no comments in the chat. >> okay. amazing. one holiday fact, every time our inspectors show up in real-time for a complainant, and the permit holders are completely in compliance, an angel gets its wings. >> you've got to ring a bell. >> i think it's just when our permit holders are in compliance, but i haven't seen the movie. the next item is number 5, review and possible action to amend just add music permit 125, d.b.a., the midway, located at 900 marin terrific, for extended hours of outdoor

entertainment and amplified sound for one-time events on 12-31-2021, 1-1-2022, and 1-2-2022. >> these next two items are mine, so i'll take it from here. good evening, commissioners. we're hearing [indiscernible] midway is asking for extended hours of outdoor entertainment and amplified sound for december 31, january 1, and january 2. they are expecting 6,000 attendees. this would allow the midway to host extended hours of entertainment past new year's

eve at midnight, until 1:00 a.m., until ten hours on the day on january 1 and 12 hours during the day on january 2. you'll see in your folder, in their jam application, you'll see their neighborhood security plan and neighborhood outreach including their neighbors and a map of where the outreach happened. there's no opposition to this permit, and we did not receive any response from bayview station within the response window, and here to speak with you is jordan from the midway. i'm going to bring in jordan right now. while i bring him in, the staff

recommendation was approval with good neighbor policy. good evening, jordan. yourself. >> hi, as i was telling andrea give a minute or two overview of the event and the other information that you think would be helpful for our commissioners. >> fantastic. it's from 5:00 p.m. to ham in recognition of ending the year of 2021 and giving into the first from 10:00 a.m. until 10:00 p.m. and the second from

noon until 10:00 p.m. and the idea being that we're going to have djs out there and a big community event and artist performances and et cetera and and then our favorite new addition this year is adding bren much on that saturday morning and opening with that from that 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 a.m. spot so in terms of neighborhood outreach, i shared a map with you and we've been out for several days talking to neighborhood businesses and as well as neighbors about the upcoming event and i've had a positive response a the board so, that is most of us unless you have something you want to add. >> this is an event that the commissioners thank you for your time here today.

quick addition to what andrea said this event has happened midway for the past couple of years but an event that both pete and i have been involved with for a number of years that one started as like the champions kind of progressed into what we do now called fresh start at midway and we've had pretty significant success both in the community side and we've been able to race a significant amount of money and food for good shelters and i think as a city and as a entertainment space, and us in that industry it's really important to be setting ourselves up to a note for the year to come and so this is something we're excited to do to continue doing and hopefully continue on for years to come. >> questions?

>> no? >> well, i'll have a question. it seems like the midway for, i don't know, reasons of whether or geography or whatever, seems to trigger sound concerns from very far away from the midway and that i still don't understand exactly the physics of it and whether it's across the bay and on alameda island or up to the valley it seems like they're just concerns that are beyond the local neighborhood and i'm wondering if they're anyway to sort of. >> aarti: be able to be able to respond if people in farther away neighborhoods are registered tense and it's something and i appreciate the neighborhood outreach it looks

fantastic and that is what we ask of everyone so for reasons i don't understand the midway and it's digger than you are and people across. >> on some incredible to have gotten that one complaint from and that's something that i'll talk about in my retirement and yeah, on the whole, we do seem to be registered. there's a couple of sort of bigger shows than what we've done in the last couple weeks and we seem to be sort of places

i'm going to go and listen and listen experience in real-time which it was like all right, how far do we turn it up to where they actually hear it and how far lower do we turn it down where it stops registering in these locations and then just sort of set our level accordingly and also just play with obviously different frequencies, travel, different ways of playing with that and have our sound lead with me our number two died back at the venue and going back and fourth and it's physics and i'm sure we'll be able to result. >> gary: solve it. >> it's something that we have a fair amount of experience issuing in the past as well. back many, many years ago we did

a fair amount of concerts at peer 70 and we had one in particular that we had concerns from alameda and brisbane making sure those were addressed and we didn't receive any after that and it was the entertainment commission and out outreach plan and we've did not doing it at midway since we started but now we're doing outdoor stuff, and been kind of put into the past two years and we've been growing that outreach much more strong and we've been making a presence known in the neighborhood so i want to think it's important thing to answer your question, commissioners, is that we're able inform set up a hotline and we'll make that phone number

very, very well circulated throughout the neighborhood on our website through social media channels so we as an entity, we can address these concerns and in real-time in addition. >> directionally without people going to you guys. >> without having, not that they can't or we don't want them to, we can address it in real-time in that moment to make sure that we're working with our neighborhoods and making sure that they're happy with what we're doing. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i do have one question, how well do you work with our inspectors when they do go out? >> for the most part, great. it's been, this thing commissioner, this pretty rough on a lot of folks and i have had

the any number of bars in my neighborhood sort of. maybe and not get treated the way that we would like for and local businesses to be treated and i know that and i know that this commission is all about sort of san francisco business and entertainment and certain people being able to get on and i think we'll do much better going forward and i think it might have been an isolated thing where some pent up frustration from the last two years spilled over a little bit. on the whole, we're going to work to be better. >> i think that can also be

continued and expanded upon or looked at our past and pete has been doing this in san francisco for 25 years and i've been doing this in san francisco going on 15 now and we've respected them and not everyone can be perfect and we're grateful to be here and hopeful for this passing of what we hope to be something is meaningful and significant and it's going an economic and entertainment bomb for san francisco. >> the reason i bring it up. for me and i am sure you know how long i've been in this business too. yeah, we advocate for small businesses, all businesses, especially our venues because we're the first to close in the last to open and so we get it and our inspectors are there to

help and we should kind of work together rather than -- everybody is frustrated. >> i agree, you are absolutely right. >> for me, look, i've had a place of entertainment since 2000 back in the day and it was rougher than, you know, we worked hard to get entertainment to be a lot evener and even playing field with neighbors and it's tough and we have a lot of new businesses are experiment with the jam permit and a lot more work for us and i just want to make sure that people like yourselves have been in the business so long it just kind of hurts me that -- i just don't want, i've always respected even before being under the commissioners is inspectors that do come because they're not always going to be on the side of the neighbor, they want to

make sure that you can do your business. i just don't want to hear side remarks or any comments like hey, you know, what is up with outside lands and we have no jurisdiction, ok, so, that's a different department and that's different and you are you and everybody has to go up to it and wore asking us for an extension and he want it and i hope to understand it. >> i understand and i agree and i was out of line. >> i have nothing else. >> you just deflated my one comment and that was steven kind of opened the dor to this conversation now and i was trying to cipher your cryptic comments if that was the form of an apology but i just heard it. i guess we'll call it even.

is this phone number available tonight? can we put it out. >> yes. >> can we go with it. >> yes. >> it's part of the social media and on your website. >> we'll do social media posts the week prior to the event just to get everything out and about and just have it be fresh in people's minds as we know everything gets buried on social media and then, the week of the event we're going to update that website to have it be on the front page. >> just on a serious note, it's critical that we all work together and you have a large venue and how many years we've been at this and we have gray hair to prove it, it doesn't mean there's not room for

improvement and the industry is evolving and we never anticipated having to step out doors and all the other abc laws that have all evolved and become permanent and are permanent so, i would just ask that there's extra vigilance this year with your events and especially around public safety and i want to knock on good. we had a lot of violence in our clubs and that is absent not just during covid because we weren't operated but prior to covid we shifted in a new direction and i would just really encourage you to make sure you have your security team up for snuff and the camera up to snuff and please, just run a safe event. >> absolutely. >> anymore questions here. i just have a comment. this staff that works at entertainment commission isn't in it for the money right, it's

a public sector job and they're doing it to serve the community and our inspectors love music and they're out trying to help and mitigate issues between neighbors and between license holders and when an inspectors comes out and someone is way out of compliance and that person basically tells them to f-off, and then calls into question their character, i take that personally and it's messed up and i appreciate hearing that we spoke out of turn and we feel bad about it but i just think this is awful. and so i just want to put that on the record. >> i was out of line. >> any further questions here? >> all right. then we can talk this over the let's go to public comment and see if there is any public comment on this agenda item. >> i'm just going to share the screen for a few seconds.

i'm checking now and there is yun. >> we will close public comment. do we have a motion? >> we move -- i move to approve with the good neighbor policy. >> were there other staff conditions or just that? >> no, they are already completely continued up. >> no worries. >> i'll second that. >> we are still waiting for the approved permit even though they were approved at hearing last week so, that's not true condition but we will copy that. >> i'll send it through it just came in. we'll just note for the record that this is going to be a conditional grant of approval. >> great, perfect. >> i believe we can vote.

>> thank you commissioners. >> all right. >> president bleiman. [roll call] >> all right. thank you you can follow-up with our staff for future steps. thank you. we can move onto the next. >> i'll be in touch. >> good luck. >> thank you for your time. >> all right. i believe senior inspectors rice will introduce the next agenda item or the next item. >> i will. let me pull up my information here. and make sure that we think it's that with zoom. good evening, again, commissioners. tonight we are hearing from jackson, located at 3231 fill more street and jackson is requesting an amendment to their

jam permit to allow them to old outdoor entertainment and amplified on three dates this month and december 11th, for santacon which is this weekend and december 18th, for a holiday of party and december 31st for new year's eve. on these dates, they will be hosting djs as well as playing music and in their outdoor shared space premises and they would host hours of sound and past 10:00 p.m. on the three dates and to see in your folder and jam permit and the prove of neighborhood outreach to effected neighborhoods and there was no opposition to this permit and we did not receive a response from northern station within the response window and we assumed that they have no issues with the amendment and here to speak with you tonight is trista hewitt from jackson

and i'm going to bring in trista right now.

>> when the drinking hours start and without sound people don't want to hang around. we would love to expend those hours for these three dates. we'll have nine guards working and there will be 12 two tons the end of the night and i have gone on with all of the neighbors within a two block radius or dropped letters with them and i've been in contact with the main complainants in the past, the hotel across the street and the neighbors on the alleyway and i have notified them of our intent to have extend the hours on these dates.

they have my phone number and my e-mail address and and i think that we've done a good job of reaching out and doing everything that we can to prevent anybody from being put out by these extended hours for us. >> president bleiman: any questions? >> well, i don't have any questions. let's open up for public comment, then. let me share the screen for a few seconds. >> the end time is midnight all

on all three dates for the record. it's in the memo. i'm checking right now and there is no public comment i think we can have a vote. >> i move to approve with the good neighbor policy. is there a second? >> who is the second? >> laura. >> great. >> all right. president bleiman. [roll call vote] >> commissioner thomas? >> i said aye. it has been -- it has been

approved. congratulations, you had me at 12 security guards. [laughter] >> that's quite a few. >> yeah, we're a very staffed on our security team. >> do you think you will have more security guards or white claws that the jackson customers will drink? >> we don't sell white claws. >> really, oh, man. you are making a mistake. thank you. you can follow-up with our staff and they'll give you the next steps but thank you for coming in. >> good luck. >> stay safe. >> thank you, i'll be in touch. >> thank you. >> president bleiman: number 6 is we are on to number 6. we are on to number 7 which is action to amend the permit conditions of the jam permit dba the blue right at 1979 union

rather on going enforcement actions at the business. so i imagine someone on staff will have that. >> all right. i see that. >> all right. >> thank you president bleiman. what the request of the commission this item was agenized to bring the owner of the blue light before the commission to discuss on going jam permit violations at the business and to reiterate from our previous hearings enforcement at in the last year we have received 18 sound complaints about the blue light and have visited the business nine times and of the nine visits, they were in violation n of the jam permit seven times. we have two notice of violations by one citation which was issues last movement the most recent violation was for having amplified five piece funk band playing when the jam permit specifies they're only allowed to have outdoor sound and acoustic entertainment meaning they are not permitted to have

amplified entertainment outside. after i issued the citation, johnny connected with me with the talent booking agent whom i spoke at length to discuss the blue light jam permit conditions and i explained that they are allowed to have outdoor amplified pre-recorded music and outdoor acoustic live entertainment. the booking agent who knows foee perform and i let her know at end of the day it's johnny's name on the permit and he is liable for the operations of the business. the pandemic hit our business the hardest and it's tough to keep doors open. hosting entertainment is a wonderful opportunity to bring life back into the city but permit owners must abide by their permit conditions. we've been fair with johnny and however we are now at a point where we need tone sure he is following his permit conditions which is the reason for the discussion tonight.

we suggest using the opportunity of this agenda item to discussion following the rules and ensuring is that the blue lights programming is in coordinatance with their current permit conditions. if they're able to exhibit on going compliance, permissibility and to be reconditioned and entertainment per month and in the current jam condition for more information of the permit you can see that in the folder number 7 and located in your file and so here to speak with you this evening is the owner of the blue light, johnny. >> president bleiman: this booking agent you were referred to, is this an employee of the blue light offer is this a third party agent? >> you will have toe defer to o

johnny on that. >> i'll ask him. >> i'm going to bring him in right now. if you are there, can you please unmute yourself. >> does that work? >> yes, we can hear you. >> is my picture on here? >> we did not see your picture yet. >> there we go. >> there you are. >> still trying to learn zoom. >> so, can you hear me?

>> yeah. >> so what are we -- do you want him to, it's not even really, it's just basically we're talking about it and so johnny what's up? >> hey, guys. yeah, so first of all, sorry we had to come in front of you guys it's been a crazy year and it's a third party person that we hired to oversee the outdoor music and so immediately after i received the citation, i just stopped having the outdoor music. this is a fantastic program and i think it adds quite a bit to the culture of the city and even brings a lot of work to artists and i just don't have the management and i think a lot of restaurants and bars and nightclubs are going through this too and i've been trying to put together a management team since we reopened and it's been

difficult. now we're ready to begin outdoor music again. >> so all these complaints that we're having basically you weren't around and is that what you were trying to say? >> the got there and i did see and i did see that they've put a amplified instrument this is there and i went inside and i

when they take a break and we have the investigators come in too and right that are too and i don't think the other ones in there and i didn't get a visit -- i've had visits too when he is here and he didn't notice it and we had a noise complaint but we didn't have music outside and i have had noise complaint when we were closed. >> blue light, i mean, i lived in that neighborhood for 20 years. when blue light had live music it was a total different era then right. >> union street is so sensitive now and you are lucky to even get that jam permit at all, right, because out sensitive the neighborhood is. someone in your management has control over these people before the noise is get on board and

suddenly, like you said, you have voice complaints when you were not there and people get super sensitive and think anything with the car driving by is you. so, you've been there long enough and you've been there when i was around that how neighbors can be and we just want you to -- i know that it's been tough on all of us, right, and i still have say shortage of staff getting people to work and i have to work because there's shortage of people and at the same time, you have to be around when you have the music so you can control it unless your bar manager really does it otherwise you might lose it all together, right. >> i agree. i just want to put it on hold right now. >> until i do have that person in place that can be there on a thursday. we were doing music from five to eight on thursday and fridays. >> how many people actually work at blue light right now?

you have a manager, couple bar tenders. >> i have six bar tenders and a couple servers and books and a couple of security as well. >> you are not there, who is in charge? >> i do have someone? charge when i'm not there. who is still more or less in a learning process. i've been trying to be there as much as possible. >> even for me, i have to be on premise. i hope in the future, you are more on the promise to monitor these things so, it just takes, i mean, there's other people that are trying to get entertainment on the street and when it goes bad it goes rogue and ruins it for everybody else so we've been trying to get

small business back on their feet. >> i appreciate that. that's why i wanted to put it on hold and i had a manager right when the covid ended, and we were allowed to open up inside but they left for a different industry. >> i feel you, i've been the same low. >> i'm still in the training searching so until i get things organized, i won't have music outside. >> ok. i'm done. so johnny, if i can ask you a couple questions, so i guess what i gather is the way it's been operating, you've had an ad hoc manager, one of the bar tenders or something and that person was having a challenge managing the live entertainment. is that the short version? >> well, i know that last episode where it was actually a band that was not following the rules and yes, they had a hard time. the bands shows up and started.

>> i wasn't saying you were shutting down entertainment and i wanted you to say that's never the intent of this commission and we would, let me speak for myself, i would rather see you get a competent person on staff and continue successfully doing your live entertainment and if you feel that was the part we wanted to stress was really taking our inquires serious because a lot of this could pause at the staff level and you know you are a very busy guy and we have a lot on our calendars and you know, we don't -- if

we're bringing you forward, it's nice to talk about the good things happening in your business and not so good. so i guess the real takeaway is the other part and i want to explain why i asked a question i asked and this goes back to something i had to deal with for many years a long, long time ago is really it isn't our role to educate third party employees and you know, i was very kind of kaitlyn to do that follow through and i would have preferred that this was more of a conference call and you be son the call as well and i would just say that it's your business to run and i think it's also your job to manage your third party and your third party contracts thaw get into because the oldest line in the book used to be, people will do finger

pointing at the booking agent and the band and the opener would never say it's my business, maybe it's my responsibility to get more involved and i have to say you are saying that tonight so i really am not pressing that on you. so, i just want to say, for myself, i wish you continued success and i hope you turn the corner and i hope you get the switch turned back on and a productive and safeway. >> i appreciate that, thank you. i'll communicate with kaitlyn when i have the team in place and we're ready to have some music outside again. it's a fantastic program. i've gone down to shows at other venues as well and i command them for putting it in place. >> it's brilliant. >> it's done well it makes san francisco great. >> right. >> we're all passionate about that. >> right. that's why i didn't want to be a bad vibe on that program at all. >> got cha. good luck. >> just make sure you are parklet is in compliance. [laughter] >> i'm still confused on that

role. >> i got a lot of play today. >> yeah, yeah. >> that i need education on. >> thank you. thank you all of you very much. >> other questions from anyone? >> >> i don't think you main any ill will towards anybody and you from do it first and ask for forgiveness mentality which i think is t works sometimes and it's not working and you know that and a couple things are going on here and one it's pretty clear your restrictions were just acoustic music and it was supposed to be over at 10 and it's not the case and it stretches imagination to think that you didn't know that and we're not punitive here and we're not trying to punish

people but, there's a big difference between doing that doors and having some complaints and doing an outdoor like in the front of the business for the world to see and i do think that in this specific situation and it's just so obvious right and so i'm sad that you are wanting to shut it down and i don't want you to do that and i think that at least in dealing with the entertainment commission, i think you will find from our staff's perspective that we're not particularly oppressive government body just trying to regulate you out of a distance and i think that everybody h everybody wants to promote to do it and our fission and actually working with us can be easier that not working around us or not working at all i would just

encourage you to reframe your way thaw treat this commission and especially for things that are happening in front of your business and of course we have to show up and it's the law and it's literally what we have to do by-law, right. so i don't need you to comment to that and i'm not looking for may a culpa but he have so many different permit holders that work with us and we jump through hoops to figure out how to make it work for them, right and all we ask is they follow the limits. come to us and we'll figure out a way to change the limits by when you get these violations it's harder and you dig yourself a hole so those are just my comments -- we're not hard and

this is easy stuff and it's the same people we tend to see over

and over in here and are those who try to like figure a way around it and other people aren't even, we don't have to -- they're not on our radar because we're working with them so it's like, at one point it's like dude, it's not working just try working with us, you know. i think you will find it to be very satisfying and hopeful. >> rewarding. >> maybe don't take us for granted because you are an old school guy, you know. there's an option. >> if you have a band out of compliance and you put them in your kitchen next time and i don't have any further questions here. >> there's when we bring it back. >> if you are going to just work with us, man, we'll figure it out. >> anybody else for questions and comments. thank you for coming.

we can -- do we have to have public comment. is there a public comment on this agenda item? >> sharing this for a few seconds here. i'm checking and there is none. we'll move along to the next agenda item and it is number eight which is -- >> president bleiman, before you move on, do you think that you should take a motion to do anything on that item like not to actor do you think we're good just leaving it as discussion? >> i mean, i think -- i think it's probably fine. >> >> we have to vote because we have the option of voting and

that's my understanding. >> yeah. so if there's no further -- >> just think of something agenized noticed as a vote it doesn't mean you have to take a vote if there's no action required and we're deferring potential action and into the future but, now we're wishing the blue light well and their every do you ever and that's all we're doing. >> thank you. >> thank you for stand north as city attorney there. >> are there any other comments? >> all right. i think we're good then. all right, so now we're moving on to number to formally adopt review criteria for making a determination on one-time event permit applications with outdoor amplified sand and or outdoor entertainment and requesting

extended duration for article 15.1 of the police code and i believe director will you walk us through this quickly? >> this will help repetitive to all of you from our last hearing as it should and so, nothing has changed, we're just they are putting that together in a format similar to our rdr criteria and how we assess the project and how we portray that assessment criteria with permit applicants and so this is going to be posted on our website and we'll have your actual vote from this evening so nothing has changed just formally put it together and something that more

easily ledgeable for the user. >> all right solve in that casea motion to adopt these changes. >> questions first, anyone? >> move to approve. >> is there any public comment on this agenda item. >> i'm checking and there is none. we can vote. >> ok, president bleiman. [roll call vote] >> let's just say she's lefting meeting and we have a quorum and we're moving on to

commissioner -- [roll call vote] >> they have been adopted. all right. the next agenda item is number nine which is commissioner comment and questions and new business requests for future agenda items and nick got anything? nope. >> i will say i'm available for any and all podcast invitations. [laughter] >> you are our guest that was so fun. >> it's a lot of fun and i'm also so, yes, president bleiman has a podcast and he invited me on and i shared my opinions and good time with that by call. [please stand by]