in place to enforce drug sales and i think it's our primary objectives and that is why we focus specifically on arresting folks that are selling drugs and when officers conduct that arrest and find out it's an individual that has had some repeat offenses in the past, some better alignment i think could benefit the situation with our other criminal justice partners. >> one of the things i think that makes me unique, for being on this commission is i'm not a lawyer. i'm not trained or well-versed in the law. i can tell you where my training is, i have a master's degree in science and carnegie melon and public policy and management. and it's very well known and respected for being a data analysis-data driven university so my bachelors program was all

about data, datasets and i'm hearing there's a lot of data that is ut there that the police department actually has and i think there should be with all the data i don't hear an analysis and i hear a -- you kind of -- this agri gates the data and you are taking the large data saying ok and you bring it down in the smaller pieces but it's not really going through a thorough analysis. and because it's going to a thorough analysis we would be able to apply it to a specific strategy and we see consistently

there's high fentanyl high fentanyl deaths so we're going to reach out to our partners and get we've got the data and there doesn't seem to be a strategy. that's one thing i hear. the other thing i hear is that there's a trend. things are up and down and overdoses and they're obvious circumstances in the environment that will lead itself reasonable expectations, right. we saw decreases and when the pandemic hit and in one area and we also saw other types of crimes increase and due to the pandemic. i want to hear your philosophy. i want to hear why you believe

this is happening. this is not a right or a wrong answer and you just happen to be on the hotseat tonight and this is why i'm addressing my questions to you and i know the chief is lining too and the chief gets these types of questions. what is the strategy. you saw what happened last month. what do you think you will do this month differently or the future month differently and to clear the streets and to make them safe for pedestrians and safe for the children and safe for the seniors and these are the types of questions i believe that people are lining to hear and we got the data and then what and there's a gap i need the department to fill that gap. now, i have a theory, is that captain, when you signed up you weren't trying to be a data

annalist. you wanted to serve san francisco and keep law and order. i respect that. what i constantly hear chief as i go into the budget, is that there needs to be a team of annalist to take this data and apply it in a very meaningful way. and i thought that partnering with educational institutions and it helped us so we can have data driven policy and data-driven results and i think there's a fantastic talking point but we as a department are not living up to that. we collect data and we share it. it's not really informing, at least if it is, it's not communicated back to this commission and it's not informing foot patrol or fixed post or or any kind of what are

you telling them to look for and there are that's the detail i'm looking for. i don't care how they've changed over the month. i want to know, now that you know that the fluctuation and data changed, how do they keep it and look so that i think you need of is that others change.

i see commissioner elias in the lineup and see commissioner yee. i'll let the commissioner speak and we can circle back to you. i want to hear your thoughts. commissioner elias, the floor is yours. >> thank you president cohen. welcome captain canning. one question i had is it's my understanding that in your directing they're still doing buy busts which are where police officers undercover police officers pretend to be selling

the drugs? >> it's a tas tick used by our narcotics detail, yes. >> that tactics the news in your district for over a decade. that's fair to say, yeah? >> yes. they're from five to nine officers involved sometimes depending on staff on the day or the unit, is that also true? >> i know that that likely part of it but i think i should be very specific with with my officers i don't know what is happening by my officers and i do understand the narcotics

detail operates within the tenderloin and but just in a peripheral view of the reports that i did that the data dump on and i will know it i have to avoid is that the majority of those arrests were not with a buy-bust operation. it was with officers at tenderloin station that observed visibly themselves and uniform officers and made that arrest. >> well, that was my next question but i wanted to understand i remember when i used to read police reports with buy-bust they were five to nine officers on one arrest. because you would have the buy officer, the cover officer, sur veiling officer so they were all different kinds of officers involved in this one arrest. so it's more than a few. typically five to nine and my second question you touched on it was how many buy-bust arrests

have been made in the tenderloin over the last couple of years because i asked for that data and i haven't been provided that. >> i'll be direct with you i don't have the exact number but i knew the review of what i reported on tonight of a vast majority of those arrests were uniform police tenderloin officers because of the some of the things that you mentioned it can be a resource heavy operation and that is not a luxury i have with my staff. >> you saw the staffing chart and it's a concern that there's not enough staffing in tenderloin for people to be patrolling and my question is always been and i still don't have an answer is what statistics are there to show the buyback is defective deterring sales in the tenderloin and if

we're talking about staffing shortages and resources, wouldn't be it wise to reallocate these undercover buy-bust officers that you are utilizing on one arrest and put them on patrol because according to your answers, and the data you provided to commissioner byrne and his analysis and operations it's more valuable to have foot patrol and police patrol and presence there rather than these undercover operations that take a huge amount of officers off the street. >> you know, it's a fair point. i will say that as a tactic used in a strategic way, it can be effective at deterring specific trends in a very specific area. that is one thing that i do know to president cohen's point about analysis and deployment of

resource and it's critical we do just that but to respond about the bid i have with my staff to conduct this much needed enforcement activity the layered approach i discussed before from the analysis of what trends we're seeing deploying officers both visible and food patrols and also with strategic enforcement in areas that are most impacted by what we're seeing such as drug sales or crime elated issues has been impactful and helpful i think and so it's one thing i noticed while reviewing all the reports meeting tonight and it is important to note that it is valuable i see, as having more visibility and also enforcement in a way to deter the -- the areas that are saturated and suffering to these crimes and and find where it goes next and

address it there because to the point i was trying to make when criminals make us seeing a arrest warrant arrest, they don't care what operations layering that approach and sustaining those efforts is part of the strategy. >> it's great but if we can data on showing how these buy-busts have deterred or have provided it would be more row active than reactive meaning we have officers patrolling and there's no staffing issues because they're doing tactics that aren't yielding results in statistics.

right. >> maybe can you find me the data on how these buy-busts for? >> >> next speaker. >> thank you. i want to thank the police department in the tenderloin directing and commissioner burns for starting the ball rolling and i guess you can say close to six months ago it was the opposite and it was overrun and where people were ready and they're coming out out into the streets and residents have to go buy even when i drive down the hyde street corridor it's got i

was in a different city so and i see that out there and hopefully they're going to move and get some of these people in the needed service. also i want to thank the urban group and they're out there on a daily basis and i don't know if they're 100 strong and i can say we were about hide street corridor and they have dundas and i guess my question to the captain is in the that is a

regular component of my weekly schedule and i'm very fortunate to be in contact with of the localized block-by-block represents and that's some of the way to get the information that i get is from those relationships and clearly there are a lot of demands and expectations and the way i draft strategies around locations and times of the deployment of the officers that i have are from the information that i received from those community members so

thank you and one thing i will end with is i realize that these deployments have impacts that are fluid. they shift from block to block and being a network of community members that are engage with me and each other are helpful in crafting these strategies and layering our approaches not just of the police department but other practitioners and i'm glad you mentioned urban and they've been a valuable partner in the dough employment of our visibility outreach in the tenderloin. >> i noticed the probably on the a street corridor is that where you see the ship of the people moving from the tenderloin drug

use over to age street and the mission area? >> you know, there's a noticeable my inauguration of folks one thing that i do regularly with my colleague captains and particularly on the borders of the district is find ways to over happen the patrols and our visibility efforts and one thing i want to be clear is we're not trying to shift a problem somewhere else, but try and be coordinating the patrol officers that work for the tenderloin but my colleague captains, their patrols is to overlap those areas of assignments that hopefully we're able to address those fluctuations and migration quickly. >> i'll help you. thank you, very much, captain. >> thank you commission. >> thank you, commissioner.

next next is commissioner hamasaki. >> good evening, commissioner. >> i think president cohen's point was good and important which is, it ties to vice president elias' point which is i think most of us on the commission have lived in the city for a long time and understand the challenges of the tenderloin and i guess as far as i think your last comment was, we're not just, our goal isn't to push people from block to block, how do you decide which block you are going to enforce on and do you consider the

impacts that has on the next block over, right, because as you stated, or at least the working theory is that if we're visible on one block, people will move to the next block and and so is that decided by there's more families on this block and we're moving people to a more emotional or a quieter block, how is that decision made? >> it's a very question, that's made in a coordinated effort and i'll go back to the initial part of the presentation discussing the mayor's emergency initiative. there's a daily briefing with all of our colleague departments and practitioners and receiving community input as well as reviewing the information that we have in our crime reports and we're able to coordinate our

efforts to address just those things and volume management is a challenge and capacity say challenge and one thing that we're finding is helping us be more impactful and coordinating our efforts with these community partners and what is happening is that we are able to be more nimble than before but there's room for improvement in terms of our actual location of where tht takes place is done with a combination of three different things and i mentioned crime reports before, also the feedback that we received from community members and information during these daily strategy sessions identified as a key area of concern so that could also include other typically non law enforcement related issues perhaps there are

issues related to our unhoused neighbors and trash and other things where folks are engage in this work feel unsafe and so they even might say we've got a so in these huddle sessions we were able to come up with strategies that layer our responsibility and then when our practitioners are working they report increased we're able to escalate with our response and enforcement might it approach to that specific plot. when that happens it provides the support to our partner.

>> commissioner, i think -- one i'm in agreement there shouldn't be all of this activity going on and the tenderloin and i don't think it's fair to anybody and you are put in a different mange and in the police wheel house and commissioners, and did you see this on social media and a week or so ago and i don't know, 100 something people outside

hundreds of drug dealers out in night and did you see that. >> i get a lot of reports from so it's probably one of the many in my inbox. >> i guess, yeah, going back, it does seem like it's a hard position because it's until we address the underlying causes it's above all of our pay grades and with that i'll turn it over to the rest of the mission.

>> they each have a different goal and it helps answer the question about what happened and at the have large datasets to describe outcomes to stakeholders and that is like what you guys do on a monthly basis and telling us what happened on the streets and some level of analysis and i want to think about diagnostic analytics and diagnostic analytics help

answer questions about why things are happening and this is a technique that is the supplement to the more basic descriptive analytics and in the third one is predictives analytics and this is an interesting one because it helps answer the question about what will happen in the future and this is also alluded to in my remarks because the predictive analytics, the technique that is used incorporates historical data to identify trends and determine if they would recur and it can provide what happens when the future in the

neighborhoods and the final prescriptive an a lit ticks that helps you answer questions about what should be done and this is what i want to hear and what you you are going to be employing to bring down crime and prescriptive analytics uses insights from the predictive analytics offset and this is what drives a data-driven decision. it will allow the police commission an opportunity and not even just the commission, the department to make informed decisions and understanding we're making decisions in a whole world of uncertainty so that is given. >> commissioner clements: if it's getting eightdifferent outs

different outcome. and, this is examples of different analytic tools. it's probability an excel spread sheet and analytical tools that are out there and and progressive an scissor using a database but these are the things that i'm looking to hear critically so we can turn the tide and really be able inform drill down with precision about

that will help us become a better san francisco. >> that was helpful and i think what you were saying president cohen, is the actual answer that we're all looking for and l we scheduled this and put it on the agenda and the data stuff and as you explain it's broken into the four sections above my head and i'm just a lawyer. >> you are a lawyer. >> i am just a lawyer. here is what i do understand about it in trying to dissect that or translate it into what i

believe is what intelligent-led policing and i believe if the department is able to make some small shifts because i'm about to tell you what i believe, will be helpful for that. >> it doesn't matter how far you are going back but just the resit vest raid will give you a lot of answers and here is what you need to track. not just the recidivism.

i didn't see or hear about race coming back off of the stuff and i want to hear what race data that you are collecting on these top offenders and i want to hear the location and the reason in the tenderloin and i'd like to hear what if anything those individuals get charged with and don't stop me, i know you are going to say that the district attorney does this charging. i know you can go and class see what they get charged with and you just put the name in, of the individuals, you can follow the sf number and it will tell you and it will tell you if it discharged or there's no charging and then, you can also track if there's sentencing and i know that there's a big gap while they you can collect and track that and then to come back and say, here is the analysis that we over the past 30 days with these arrests. here is the information it's telling us that is an