. >> chair peskin: and welcome to the special rules committee meeting 2-22-22. i am chair aaron peskin, joined by supervisor connie chan and supervisor raphael mandelman. our clerk is mr. victor young. mr. young, do you have any

announcements? >> clerk: yes. the board recognizes that public access to city services is essential and will be available in the following ways: public comment will be available on each item on the agenda. sfgovtv cable channel 26, 78, and 99 are streaming the meeting live. opportunities to speak in public comment are available by calling 415-655-0001. the meeting i.d. is 2692-457-6123. then press pound and pound again. when your item of interest comes up, press star, three to enter the speaker line. best practices are to speak

slowly and clearly, call from a quiet location, and turn down your speakers. if you submit public comment via e-mail, it will be forwarded to the supervisors and included as part of the file. written comment may be sent via u.s. mail to city hall, 1 dr. carlton b. goodlett place, san francisco, california, 94102. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. young. can you please read the first item. >> clerk: yes.

initiative ordinance, police code, public health emergency leave. members of the public who wish to make public comment press star, three to enter the queue. . >> chair peskin: supervisor mar, the floor is yours. >> supervisor mar: thank you, chair peskin. i want to thank supervisor chan for your strong support of this measure. this is the third time this item has been before this committee, but i would like to briefly recap the importance of

the measure and hope we find the right balance in the measures. public emergency leave is a commonsense policy to protect public workers and workplaces. in the past, public health emergency leave will make a material difference in the lives of hundreds of thousands of san francisco workers. paid leave is essential for economic security and for public health. it protects everyone because if this pandemic has taught us anything, it has taught us that we are closely connected, and we're stronger than our neighbor, our grocer, our teacher. covid-19 has shown too many gaps in the rise in benefits for social workers, and also,

climate change continues to drive worse and worse fire seasons, so let's continue to take some lessons from this pandemic, to be more prepared for the next emergency, and the public health emergency reflects the important of these measures. when a local statewide health emergency is declared, it would automatically become available to use. if you're sick, need to quarantine, need to take care of a family member due to an emergency or if you can't work due to the emergency, and protect health care workers and hospital staff, they can use

public health emergency leave when the need strikes. i think today, we have reached the right balance, and over the past few years, we have seen the pandemic hit some of the racial injustices we face, as it disproportionately affects people of color. health care injustice as barriers to matters of inconvenience become matters of life and death.

one of the most important public policy interventions has been the expansion of paid public leave. no parent should have to choose between a paycheck and sending their sick child to school, so i really want to, again, thank you, colleagues, for this opportunity to consider public health emergency leave for the third time this morning, and again, we prepared it as an initiative ordinance to keep this crucial safeguard in place for this and future emergencies because covid-19 isn't the only

emergency we face. and especially as climate change presents a direct and immediate health threat to worsening fire seasons and health quality. emergency paid leave will provide two weeks of paid emergency leave during times. thanks again to my cosponsor, supervisors chan, ronen, and preston, and i also want to thank city attorney lisa powell, and my legislative aide, edward wright, for their work on this policy, and all i ask for this committee is for you to -- thank you for accepting the amendments at the last two meetings, and i would request that you support this item moving forward to the full

board with a positive recommendation. thank you. >> chair peskin: thank you, supervisor mar. are there any comments from committee members? if not, why don't we open this up for public comment? >> clerk: mr. chair, operations is checking to see if there are any callers in the queue. if you have not already done so, please press star, three to enter the queue. for those who have already done so, please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted before you begin your comment. it appears we have two listeners but no one in the queue for public comment. >> chair peskin: okay. seeing no public comment, public comment is closed. supervisor chan, would you like to make a motion?

>> supervisor chan: yes. i make a motion to accept the ordinance and move the item to the full board with a positive recommendation. >> chair peskin: thank you. roll call vote, please. [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes without action. >> chair peskin: thank you. mr. clerk, can you please call items 2 and 3 together? >> clerk: [indiscernible] and appear before the refuse rate board to determine rate adjustments. item 3 is a motion ordering submitted to the voters at an election to be held on june 7, 2022, an ordinance amending the refuse collection and disposal ordinance to restructure the

refuse rate setting process to replace hearing before the department of public works. >> chair peskin: thank you. mr. young. we've also had a robust discussion by the individuals who placed this on the calendar from the board. why don't we open this up for public comment on items 2 and 3? >> clerk: yes. members of the public wishing to provide public comment should call 415-655-0001, enter meeting i.d. 2492-457-6123, then press pound and pound again. press star, three to enter the queue and wait until the system

indicates your line has been unmuted. and it appears there are no callers in the queue. >> chair peskin: thank you. i would like to make a motion to send these two items to the full board with a positive recommendation. mr. young, a roll call vote, please. >> clerk: on the motion to send item number 2 -- [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chair peskin: and then, colleagues, on the next item, which i suspect will have no

objection after march 1, i'd like to make a motion to send item 3 to the full board with a recommendation. mr. young, on that motion, a roll call, please. >> clerk: yes. on that motion -- [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chair peskin: next item, please. >> clerk: item 4 is a hearing to consider appointing one member, term ending january 6,

2026, to the small business commission. we have one set and one applicant. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. young. i just want to thank the member who has sat in this seat a dozen years. that would be commissioner kathleen dooley, thank you her for her service and wish her well. we have one applicant, tiffany walker-carter. miss carter-walker, the floor is yours. tiffany, turn your camera on. >> okay. sorry about that. hi, everyone. i am tiffany walker-carter, a san francisco native, and a small business owner of [indiscernible] i'm sorry.

i'm in my restaurant right now. we have locations in the first women led location of la cocina. i help to champion and serve what businesses will look like in the future of san francisco, and some of my goals had to cut the barriers and red tape to start and grow small businesses in san francisco. thank you. >> chair peskin: thank you, miss carter-walker. are there any questions or comments from committee members? are there any members of the public who would like to comment on this item? >> clerk: yes. members of the public who would like to comment on this item call 415-655-0001, meeting i.d.

2492-457-6123, then press pound and pound again. press star, three to lineup to speak. please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and then you may begin your comment. we have lost our caller in the queue. there are no callers in the queue. >> chair peskin: okay. i would like to make a motion to -- supervisor chan. >> supervisor chan: thank you, chair peskin. i would like to thank commissioner kathleen dooley

for all of her years of service. it's critical to serve our city and speaks to the diversity of our city. i want to thank her for her years of work and commend miss walker-carter, as well. you're already busy with your restaurant, but you've made the time to serve on this commission, so we thank you for your service, and thank you, chair peskin. >> chair peskin: thank you, supervisor chan. with that, why don't we take the motion to approve the

motion of supervisor chan. [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chair peskin: next item, please. >> clerk: yes. item number 5, hearing to consider appointing one member, term ending july 1, 2025, to the entertainment commission. we have two applicants. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. young. good morning, miss thomas. >> good morning. >> chair peskin: we thank you for your interest in a seat on the entertainment commission, which would help protect the community as set forth in your application. we have two applicants, so we

will take them in the order they appear on the agenda, so we will start with miss thomas. >> thank you. i've been serving in this seat on the entertainment commission. i'm really proud of the work that the commission has been able to do. as supervisor peskin said, my background is in public health. both my academic credentials, my work at the department of public health, and currently, i serve as the director of public health at the san francisco aids foundation, and i'm proud to bring a public health and pandemic reduction lens to the entertainment commission.

i'm very happy to answer any questions you may have. >> chair peskin: are there any questions for commissioner thomas? seeing none, let's move onto the next applicant, antrina crawford. good morning. i'm so sorry. you're on mute. >> can you hear me now? >> chair peskin: yes, we can. >> okay. thank you, and good morning. first, i would like to give thanks and recognition to the body of the city and county of san francisco. we're all doing the best i can. for myself, this was rather new to me. i am a native of san francisco. i was born at san francisco

general. my mother was, and my grandmother, as well, who just passed away at the age of 97. growing up, i always wondered why there was no one with my face on the commission. i'm glad to see them now, but i would like to see more. music has always been a soothing element in my life. the joy and expression of gratitude i receive is indescribable. music is the universal language. it bonds and it heals, if i would love to be on a team of working with intelligent people, and everyone is my mentor right now, all of you guys. i would love to be working with you guys. how can i insert myself and be

a good person in the community. i'm a mom of six and lost my husband six years ago to a heart attack. we're a family, and we just want to do the right thing and represent people that look like ourselves in a decent world of light. [indiscernible] you know, maybe a vegan outdoor event, but i just want to be part of a team where i can make sure that everyone is happy at the end of the day, and that's just simply it for me. >> chair peskin: thank you, ms. crawford, and i very much appreciate your interest in the entertainment commission. this particular seat, as i indicated earlier, is a seat

that has a requirement for a public health background, and looking at your application, there are other seats that are more general in nature, but i didn't see a public health background relative to your application, but there may be other good fits out there for you to get involved. >> okay. when you say public health, is care taking a public health? >> chair peskin: that could be. public health, like in-home care taking, is that what you're saying? >> yes, i was providing those services, and i was also working at laguna rehab center. i've been doing it at the age of 18, and i'm 50 years old now. >> chair peskin: i didn't see that in your application, but i

very much appreciate that. why don't we open this up to public comment who would like to speak to item 5. >> clerk: members of the public who would like to speak to this call should call 415-655-0001, meeting i.d. 2492-457-6123. then press pound and pound again. press star, three to lineup to speak. for those already on hold, you should wait until the system indicates your line has been unmuted. it appears we have two listeners but no one wishing to comment. >> chair peskin: okay. public comment is closed. given miss thomas' experience and her role in public health, particularly at the san francisco aids foundation, i would suggest that we continue

her in this seat, and i would further suggest that, miss crawford -- and the clerk can point you to something called the maddie act. i see supervisor mandelman nodding his head. supervisor chan? >> supervisor chan: thank you, miss crawford, for your interest in volunteering for public service. i am in agreement with chair

peskin, that there are other opportunities that you can help us on other commissions, with your life experience and your life stories and your passion for music that perhaps we can find a good fit along the long list of commissions that we're actually in seat. there are many seats that are vacant that we hope that someone like you to serve on, so i really just want to thank you for your -- you submitting the application, and i thank you for your interest at this time, and just thinking about the night life and just so many things that are happening in this city, that i do look forward to having commissioner thomas continue on the entertainment commission to bring a very specific opinion with her expertise on events and making sure that we

continue on with the aspect of public health and bring that expertise to the table once we talk about, you know, recovery during this economy but also planning for different types of events and entertainment venues. so thank you, and i thank chair peskin for your suggestion on this. >> chair peskin: thank you, supervisor chan. and just -- i am just -- my staff just informed me that there may be commissions that support in-home service work. so i'm going to ask you to reach out to my staff, calvin yan,

c-a-l-v-i-n y-a-n@sfgov.org. so with that, let me make a motion to move the name of -- to approve the name of laura thomas with a full recommendation to the board to fill the seat. roll call vote, please. >> clerk: on that motion -- [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes unanimously. >> chair peskin: thank you. next item, please. >> clerk: thank you.

item 5 is a hearing to consider appointing three members, terms ending october 21, 2022, and two members, terms ending october 21, 2023, to the local homeless coordinating board. >> chair peskin: the current incumbent in seat 8, eric brown, informed us this morning that he is not seeking reappointment. i want to thank him for his many years of service on the local homeless coordinating board. and then, i also need to tell you that as to seat number 9, that is an appointee of the controller which has to be confirmed by the board of supervisors. i believe that the controller is getting ready to make that appointment but has not done so yet, so we will be continuing seat number 9 to the call of the chair until controller rosenfield has made that

appointment, and then, we will take that up. so we have actually four seats and eight applicants. i want to start out -- i did some research over the weekend about how the local homeless coordinating board came to be in the late 90s, and then looked at the 2016 ordinance that was our current operating code provision that was created by mayor lee when he was creating the department of homelessness and supportive housing, and i thought we could start with emily cohen from that department who could give us a little bit of background about the local homeless coordinating board and the role it plays, and specifically the qualifications for membership, which, as you see, to all of these seats, represent homeless

subpopulations as set forth on the documents we have, families with children, single adults, veterans, chronically homeless, t.a.y. youth, persons with hiv/aids, persons with substance use disorders, mentally ill, and domestic violence. so miss cohen, the floor is yours. thank you for joining us this morning, and thank you for taking time over the weekend to give a little guidance in this area. >> thank you, chair peskin and supervisors. thank you for having me, emily cohen from the department of homelessness and housing. this board is the oversight body to our continuum of care which is the federal funding and federal care to support solutions to homelessness

locally. last year, we received about $60 million in continuous funds, and the lhcb is responsible for outlining those funds. this is an opportunity to engage the public, it's an opportunity to engage with people experiencing homelessness, and enhance public transparency from the department. the lhcb meet monthly. our director and many staff attend. it is an important and informational component of our work. it's where we do a great deal of our public engagement at the lhcb, so grateful to all

members of the public and members of the public who have indicated an interest to serve on the commission. >> chair peskin: thank you, miss cohen. are there any questions from committee members? okay. why don't we go to the applicants in the order that

they appear for statements for a couple of minutes each, starting with kelley cutler for seat 5, and kelley is the incumbent member of that seat. good morning. >> good morning. i am hope that my chiweenie stays under control this morning. i am applying for this seat again. i qualify for a number of things under that category. experiencing homelessness [indiscernible] as well as a single adult, and -- compounding trauma when it comes to homelessness, and so ptsd that figures into the ball game. so my -- the things that i am really focused on is

coordination with homeless people and lifting up those voices and making sure that at the table [indiscernible]. the other folks on the board have been amazing, and it's very diverse, and loads of experience being brought to the table. i actually want to continue to learn so that we can actually do more, and we can be utilized more than we have been. part of the challenge is we have covid. that turned everything upside

down, but we're still plugging along -- oh, and my experience. i didn't even -- oh, for the past few decades, i've been living and working in the community here. i worked in direct service, i worked with larkin street youth services, i've been doing street outreach throughout this, and then, for the past decade, i've been involved with the coalition on homelessness. i'm an [indiscernible] organizer there, and i made it there through way of the hope office [indiscernible] and so i was actually in that role collaborating [indiscernible] and i saw how great it was when

everyone came together because during this time we created this real shelter access which has been great, and i'm really hoping that it gets back on-line because it's not currently there. >> chair peskin: thank you so much. why don't we move on, if there are no questions, to nicolas staton. i'm sorry, supervisor mandelman, and my apologies. >> supervisor mandelman: i think i know kelley's answer on this, but i'm going to ask all of the candidates. i'm asking about the balance of shelter versus permanent housing and the different types of investments that san francisco should be making. i am someone that thinks that

we are dramatically undersheltered and ought to have many more access on the street for people who want to come off the street now, not when we have a permanent supportive housing unit for them in the future. that is not a position with which kelley is affiliated, but i wanted to ask her about the allocation of scarce funds now and the investments we should be making, your thoughts on permanent supportive housing and shelter and the relationship between the two? >> yeah, i think there needs to be a balance because we look at

[indiscernible], and you're stuck. a shelter, it's not a home, so there's a real, you know, balance. right now, we need a lot of homes, so i don't think -- i think we need to be smart about it, and being focused on actual housing solutions because that's going to end homelessness. i don't believe that we should accept that this is how it is, because frankly, this is not normal, but we've been dealing with homelessness when it doesn't have to be this way, but the answer is balanced. i still believe that we need to

be looking at the final goal of housing for persons experiencing homelessness, but also what the researchers are saying on this, and it's all directed in the direction of housing. >> supervisor mandelman: i would just respond that many of the cities, at least on the east coast, make a commitment to shelter anyone who asks for it, and i think that we can do both. >> chair peskin: thank you, miss cutler.

why don't we hear from nicolas staton. >> clerk: i'm checking the list to see if they logged in. i'm not seeing a log-in for mr. staton at this time. >> chair peskin: okay. why don't we go to josh steinberger. >> great. can everyone hear me? >> chair peskin: yep. >> okay. great. my name is josh steinberger, and i am a san francisco native. i'm currently the director at the [indiscernible] foundation. at e.c.f., i was the manager of the problem solving services program. for those who don't know it, it's kind of the tip of the spear for entry into the adult

coordinated entry system. i have a master's degree from the university of san francisco in urban and public affairs. i completed my thesis on unconditional cal transfers for people that are homeless, specifically those deserving in our welfare systems and how this concept of deserving this makes these types of resources inaccessible for homeless. so now that i'm working in oakland, i want to stay connected to the homeless life in san francisco. i think the homeless coordinating board is at an intersection which kind of makes it the perfect format where i want to apply myself.

my value to the board will be my intimate knowledge of homeless service networks, down to the day-to-day operations but also while not losing sight of the big picture of the change that's needed. my personal goal is always to increase the quality of living for people that are homeless and unsheltered. as a point of support, my first goal will be increasing people receiving services into the san francisco e.o.c. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. steinberger. i want to make sure that anybody we support is able to

vote on all the funding matters and does not have to recuse themselves. >> we have a -- many funding sources that go into all of our programs in eocc, but they're all funneled through alameda county. >> chair peskin: gotcha. because eocc receives a lot of their funding from the city. i know that supervisor mandelman has a question for you. supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: yeah. i don't know if you heard the question for the previous applicant, but i asked the question about the unsheltered and the need for investment in various types of exits from homelessness, from immediate shelter to permanent housing and lots of other steps in

between. you've worked on lots of the other steps including problem solving, but i was curious about your thoughts on what i perceive to be a significant under sheltering and how to think about permanent supportive housing and other types of exits? >> yeah, right, i think my position starts off in the position of a lot of other people, which is we need more of both, and we need to do a lot more on both. one thing that i give alameda a lot of credit for is that piece between completely unsheltered and unhoused and being in a permanent housing, which is

where we want everyone to be. the process of how we get there, i think there needs to be a lot more emphasis on. alameda is doing a lot with tiny homes, and i think there needs to be a lot more coordination on transition. the housing stabilizers, those working with those who have gone from the streets to the navigation centers and then moved onto housing settings, those are the ones who have the greatest problem, and the touch of resources that they have can really follow up. i think the answer is to have more options in between people

going from unhoused and unsheltered to housing, that can kind of prepare for more stability. i also think that there's a difference between unhoused and unshelteredness, just from supervising a team of housing workers. when we went into a neighborhood, we would see people that are in situations that we know can be improved with just a little bit more. like i said, my personal goal is to improve the quality of living for people that are homeless, and that, for me, means people that are in situations that are dangerous, living on the treats, to another shelter, whether that's a navigation center, but taking

that person into permanent housing might not always be the most hopeful. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. steinberger. and then, the policy representations question, there may be many answers to that, what subpopulations do you think you would be representing? >> well, i can take where i am now with the east oakland community project. i supervise a contract that helps people with hiv and aids. there's a majority of our unit that's for d.v. survivors, behavioral health contracts, we have programs to support people who are recently released from jails, and people that are housing houses services in the

field, so i think that there are a lot of kind of populations, subpopulations that are served by my work. >> chair peskin: thank you for that very thorough response. if there are no other questions, why don't we go onto mark nagel. >> supervisors, my name is mark nagel, and i'm a cofounder of rescue s.f. to bring about the bold action to end the homelessness crisis, san franciscans must get off the sidelines and make their voices heard. i'm plying to join -- applying to the board to do just that.

[indiscernible] the city will this month open a shelter at [indiscernible] the city will begin visiting some of these sites this week. we've advocated to improve data management practices and [indiscernible] on the city response to the crisis. we'll work closely with the department of emergency management and [indiscernible] i believe that i can be a productive member of the lhcb. the skills that i developed in my business career before founding rescue s.f. [indiscernible] my work in the financial sector is in investment banking and capital

[indiscernible] as a trained lawyer, i can assess the legal frameworks and constraints underlying programs and institutions. i appreciate the responsibility of serving lhcb. thank you for your consideration. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. nagel, and i will ask the same question that i asked the last speaker, and i'm sure supervisor mandelman will ask the same question that he's asked the last several applicants, and that is with regard to what subpopulations, as we are required to consider, you would be representing? >> yes, i asked the same question myself. so i actually started with the bylaws for the lhcb, and i found article 3, section 2, that lays out the constituents of the members that the board

should come from, and members of boards and local organizations are eligible to be on the board [indiscernible] with respect to your question, supervisor, i would explain my focus the last few years have been [indiscernible] people unsheltered are by and large homeless adults. 36% of people who are chronically homeless or unsheltered, the vast majority are veterans and [indiscernible] so we are advocating for more shelter to [indiscernible] and certain adults. >> chair peskin: thank you. great response. supervisor mandelman?

>> supervisor mandelman: thank you, chair peskin. i don't think your answer is going to be a surprise given where rescue s.f. has been the last couple of years. but going back to the newsom administration which closed many shelter beds, we've never recovered from that, and i would ask you how you would go about solving that? >> it's clear the solution to

homelessness is permanent housing. [indiscernible] it's obvious to us the answer must be something real, some interim shelter. there can be others, using emerging practices in the bay area and other parts of the country. it is cost effective, and it is a solution that people, we think, would very much value. not a dorm-type shelter, but a shelter where everyone would get their own unit, a bed, storage unit, table, chair, with air and heating, something that they haven't had for years. it should be accompanied by services that would be right there on the site.

[indiscernible] it's also important because with these service intervention, we can open up the sort of shelters to a wide range of subpopulations that we traditionally serve. traditionally, san francisco has been operating with scarce resources, and it's been focusing on [indiscernible] and when you become unhoused and you aren't sick, you become sick and finally qualify for housing. [indiscernible] short-term housing to get to quickly then we can get tailored services, like some job or workforce development to get them back on

their feet, leading productive lives and in independent living. they should not be forced into government supported housing to live their lives. thank to prop c, we can have a flow of money coming into this city so we can get people out of shelters and into permanent housing. >> chair peskin: okay. seeing no other questions from committee members, thank you, mr. nagel, and why don't we go to the next applicant, the incumbent for seat 6, del seymour. >> okay. i can't turn my camera on.

can you hear me? >> chair peskin: yes, we can hear you but we can't see you. >> okay. i can't turn my camera on, but i'll go ahead and get started. >> chair peskin: we know what you look like, mr. seymour. >> okay. thank you. my name is del seymour, and i've been in the san francisco area approximately 30 years, and 18 of those years were homeless. i'm been out of the homeless community 12 years, but i was given opportunities to get out. a lot of help from my veterans organization, swords to plowshares. i'm a disabled viet nam veteran, and i'm proud to have

served our country. so what i do now is i spend a lot of time with the local homeless coordinating board, and i'm the cochair. i probably am working for the board 20 hours a week. i'm calling mary ellen from the department of emergency management or shireen from h.s.h., or emily, who just got off the floor, i was on the phone with her this weekend. so i don't hesitate to call the community partners when there's an issue or a problem or someone needing somebody. it's a seven day a week thing because homelessness is a seven days a week 24 hours a day problem. i actually was looking forward to -- i'm 75 years old. i was actually looking forward to stepping down somewhere around this year, but with the new management at h.s.h., shireen and her fantastic team,

i'm just so excited and giggly about this department now moving forward so quickly, and real estate acquisition, setting up a decent housing and respectable sheltering. and the sky's the limit, and i just can't see leaving right now. i'm so involved in all the new acquisitions, i'm helping to get those navigation centers. i hear yourself, supervisor peskin, stepped in for some of our nob hill housing that was in jeopardy. i really appreciate the stance that you took, and supervisor mandelman, i appreciate your stance on some of the issues that we deal with. as far as my residency situation, because i have a

situation with residency, i moved out of the tenderloin two years ago because i got economically forced out. after being homeless 12 years ago, i was able to buy my family a home in another part of the city on the g.i. bill. i do not live in san francisco, i live in another area of the city. i'm here seven days a week, probably 16 or 17 hours a day. i barely know what color my house is because i'm hardly there in the daytime. i want to put a community group together -- i can answer your question right now, supervisor mandelman. we need more high capacity sheltering. i've been to san diego,

baltimore, l.a., and they shelter more. i would love more permanent supportive housing, but what about tyrone and sheela tonight? yeah, we can wait on housing, but we can't. we need to have shelter for everyone who needs housing. i will never stop yelling and screaming about it until we get in agreement on that. i was just facilitating a planning board equity meeting, and i'm also on several of the boards of san francisco, so i give a lot of my time to this city, and i'm done. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. seymour, and it sounds like you answered my question, and it sounds like you answered supervisor mandelman's question, so why don't we go to ansel romero, the incumbent for

seat 7, also on a residency waiver. >> thank you for the opportunity to join and serve the lhcb. [indiscernible] which is an off shot of three fairly large nonprofits that have come together over a number of years. in that role, i served over 7,000 low-income individuals, housing over 8,000 low-income individuals. we were managing and operating and had developed over 7,000 low-income units. i'm a certified property manager. in 2019, i had the distinction of being awarded the grassroots

advocate for the year by leading age california, which is the largest senior advocacy group in the state. with regards to the city that i've really grown to love, i had a really significant role in the preservation of the fed -- frederick douglas haines gardens, so i've been involved in housing and supportive services, specifically in san francisco, over 400 low-income individuals. in january of last year, i've created my own consulting company, and in that role, i have served a number of other

housing organizations and advocacy organizations. just been a desire to further broaden my scope. in that role, i was asked by the state of california through the california department of aging for a project on the s.c.a.n. foundation to create a project that was the first of its kind. it was identifying all the agencies in the state of california that serves all individuals, both seniors and people with disabilities and cross-referencing these agencies to identify the different scopes of the services that they provided, their funding, along with providing recommendations. what i hope to do if fortunate enough to join the boards is really leverage my experience in not just leveraging the development of housing but also services and equate that into

the realization of the lhcbs strategic plan. measuring is really important. what doesn't get measured doesn'tet get done. when looking at the materials, it was heartening to note the targets, and i would like to see that done in the future. but i think in closing, in addition to metrics, what's really important is really looking into what have we done as a board working with our partners and really making a difference in a person's life individual by individual, and that's something that i would really look forward to participating in if fortunate enough to be appointed to this board. thank you for your

consideration. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. romero, and i know that supervisor mandelman has his question that you've heard before, but let me just ask the question that i've had before, which is which subpopulations do you think that you would be representing if appointed? >> well, given my experience, chair peskin, i'd look forward to serving single adults. i've also served veterans chronically homeless and people with hiv/aids and certainly look forward to serving these folks on the board. >> chair peskin: thank you, and then, my second question is relative to conflicts or potential conflicts relative to your new business; if any of your clients are recipients to grants or contracts with the city or county of san francisco

that might preclude you under certainly conflicts from casting a vote. >> not at the time, chair peskin, but i would be mindful of that moving forward. >> chair peskin: thank you. supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: yes. i would think about investing in shelters and other ways to immediately move from the street and potentially into

permanent supportive housing, and i think we have overbalanced that, the permanent supportive housing in favor of the shorter term and more immediate exits, and wonder what your thought right side -- thoughts are about that and how to think about that? >> thank you, supervisor mandelman. in 2019, the homeless population, over 8,000 individuals in the city and the county, i was just struck by the fact, and i shouldn't have been, but over half, over 65% have been homeless for over a year. given my experience and how long it takes to develop low-income housing, anywhere from six to seven years, there's got to be a balance. we just look around, and we see that there's a problem with undersheltering at this time. so i'm all for -- it's just -- that's got to be addressed, and there has to be a balance, and there's got to be -- for as long as the shelters have the necessary services that we were talking about before -- in my

opinion, the worst thing you can do, whether it's permanent supportive housing or temporary shelters, if there's not enough housing to support that, it would be a disaster. just looking around this, over half the population, the homeless population has been unsheltered for over a year. that really needs to be addressed. understanding that lhcb is really looking at permanent solutions to housing, it may be counter intuitive that if there's a huge, huge focus on sheltering -- sheltering is a huge part of moving to permanent supportive housing. as long as the services are aligned with that, then that's certainly something i will be -- continue to be behind. >> chair peskin: thank you. all right. seeing no further questions, why don't we move onto nikon

jeanell guffey for seat 7. good morning. >> hi, good morning. thank you for having me, chair peskin and supervisor chan and vice chair mandelman. just really quickly, simply i'm a resident of san francisco county. i'm currently -- am a product of a child who faced housing insecurity in san francisco. i currently am employed as an employee with family and children services. i've been there almost 22 years. my role currently is director with family and children services, and with my experience and background, i have a masters in social work,

and i'm a licensed clinical social workers, and i am an advocate for foster youth and [indiscernible] youth, and it's my job to make sure that their voices are being heard. currently, [indiscernible] under the age of 25 are foster youth, and i believe and ensure that we can and will do better. i believe that the voices of the families and voices of the children that are impacted with all of the trauma that they experience is very crucial and critical, to kind of bring that knowledge, and to housing security to t.a.y. youth. to answer the question of supervisor mandelman with permanent and supportive housing, i work with both, so i value the importance of temporary shelter. what's important for the youth that i serve is ensuring that

there are safe environments and space for their belongings, so they kind of feel a place where they're valued. and the other piece is ensuring that there are appropriate services in place, even in shelter structure. i think with my experience and what we currently have in the foster system, i would able to add a voice on things that have worked for us, areas of growth, and looking how we can transfer some of this to our housing population. so with that, i thank you for your time and consideration, and i look forward to your questions. >> chair peskin: thank you, ms. guffey. i think you've answered all of our questions. very much appreciate it. last, but not least, why don't we move onto gary mccoy. >> good morning, supervisors. i've been very active in advocacy the last ten years,

having experienced homelessness, substance use disorder, and hiv and aids as a member of the lgbtq community. i would love an opportunity to serve san francisco in this capacity. previously served on the san francisco shelter monitoring committee from 2015 to 2018 as vice chair and chair of its policy subcommittee and served on the california homeless committee and finance coordinating council from 2017 to this past january, when it transitioned to the california interagency council on homelessness. i would love your support for a seat on the local homeless coordinating board. i'm also happy to talk to you about any issues that come up. in terms of supervisor

mandelman's question, i do support increased shelter capacity, but there needs to be permanent housing. i'm a fan of the housing ladder. it worked for me, so any time we have an opportunity to support housing opportunities would work, whether it's moving onto families or friends, anything to sort of clear the bottle neck that we do have in our housing system that's right now. >> chair peskin: thank you, mr. mccoy, and relative to my question, i believe that health right does not have any

contract with h.s.h. is that correct? >> yes. as far as i'm aware, we have no h.s.h. related contracts, but always happy to recuse myself if any conflicts happen to come up. >> chair peskin: perfect. and i'll turn it over to supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: i think mr. mccoy answered. he's a believer in permanent supportive housing and recognizes that we need more shelter. >> chair peskin: there you go. >> supervisor mandelman: there you go. >> chair peskin: okay. why don't we open this item up to public comment? are there any members of the public who would like to speak to item number 6? >> clerk: yes, if you have not already done so, please press star, three to enter the queue. if you have already done so, please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted

before you begin your comment. it looks like we have three callers lined up to speak. >> chair peskin: thank you. may we have the first caller, please. >> yes. i'm calling in support of kelley cutler for the homeless coordinating board. it's absolutely critical that the coalition on homelessness retain a seat on the local homeless coordinating board. it's vital for us bringing up questions and having a dialogue in a public forum with the department of homelessness and supportive housing. additionally, i wanted to just support gary mccoy, who's done amazing advocacy and been part of standing up with the linkage

center, and finally, i wanted to comment on mr. nagel. appreciate with great respect that he is coming to us with a goal of creating solutions for homeless individuals. i don't believe he represents homeless individuals, i believe he represents neighborhood groups, and so i feel like it's important to acknowledge that. rescue s.f. is not made up of homeless individuals or people that have experienced homelessness, so i feel that that might be a disqualifying aspect of his application, and thank you. appreciate your time to build a group of people that will help us navigate through the challenges of creating real solutions for our homeless neighbors. >> chair peskin: thank you. next speaker, please. >> hi. my name is fred winegrad, and

i'm calling in support of mark nagel. i totally disagree with the last caller. rescue s.f. is looking for solutions, and their solutions are driven by alternatives. what i like about mark is his ability to bring people together. in a federal sense, it's like crossing the aisle. rescue s.f. has had advocates from the homeless coalition on their seminars. they've also had feedback in the tiny houses that will be implemented on 33 gough, so i think we need really new and supportive programs that will help the homeless, not keep them out there as a shelter. it's inhumane, so i'd really

advocate for mark to be a member. thank you. >> chair peskin: thank you. are there any other speakers? >> clerk: yes, we have two additional callers. >> chair peskin: next speaker, please. >> hi. my name is jennifer laska. i'm the president of the [indiscernible] foundation. i'm calling in support of mark nagel. he's done a tremendous job over the years educating the public on the complexity of issues facing homelessness. he's been instrumental in getting homelessness opportunities launched in the city, and i think he would be amazing. >> chair peskin: thank you. next speaker? >> good morning, chair peskin and members.

my name is carolyn kennedy. i'm a core team member of rescue s.f. i've read all the applications, and i support the candidacy of mark nagel, gary mccoy, kelley cutler, and josh steinberger. mr. nagel has tremendous skill and experience that would benefit a wide range of san francisco homeless community. most recently, he met with stakeholders in the tenderloin and the department of emergency management to redefine the dashboard that he developed. i also want to say a little bit

about mark as a human being. he's caring and committed and thinks objectively before making decisions. he works with others well, works constructively is well. mark is a tremendous advocate for both housed and unhoused, so i want to just add that because i've observed this over the last two years. thank you for the opportunity to give public comment. >> chair peskin: thank you for your comments. next speaker, please. >> hi. this is jennifer friedenbach, and i am calling on the coalition of homelessness, and thank you, rules committee, for your consideration today. i wanted to call in support of kelley cutler to be reappointed to the local homeless coordinating board? you have a number of incumbents

here that are very -- have been really -- putting a lot of work into this and have a lot more work to do and have been very -- you know, this -- this body is not an easy body to manage, but what kelley brings is she is doing -- spending her days doing outreach on the street and is bringing direct representation of folks and what they bring. she has experienced homelessness and knows this system really well. she has a knowledge of what's working and not working in the homeless system and is able to engage actively with people who are experiencing crises and undergoing homelessness.

i feel like it's incredibly important to preserve that seat. thank you so much. >> chair peskin: thank you. are there any other members of the public for public comment on this item? >> clerk: i believe we have one additional speaker. >> chair peskin: yes, please. >> hi. my name is carolyn thomas. i've been involved in trying to forge homeless relations in the neighborhood for oh, at least the last seven years. i've also been an attendee of the lhcb meetings. i'm here to support mark nagel's appointment to the lhcb board. i believe has the ability to serve all segments of the

population. he's not beholden to a specific idealogical point of view. i'd ad -- advocated for many of the homeless solutions that are being implemented for many years, and he's encouraged people to show up and support different solutions. he brings to an analytical and data driven mind. i'd like to support del seymour for his experience in organizing and collaboration in several different organizations, including the lhcb board.

i believe his appointment should be reupped. >> chair peskin: thank you for your comments. are there any other speakers in public comment? >> clerk: i believe there's one more who jumped on. >> hi. my name is olivia growacki. i am a resident of the outer sunset, and i am calling to support kelley cutler on this board. she has the experience of homelessness and has been working in the homeless response system for over a decade, so it's really important that we have people who know what it's like, that have been homeless, that aren't just seeing homelessness from

an angle where they haven't lived it or experienced it. i think it's important that kelley has a background where she's walked in direct services. you can't walk around this city without someone stopping kelley and saying hey, i know you or don't you work for the homeless coalition? i think it's imperative that kelley continues to serve on this committee, and i ask that you support her reappointment, and i just can't speak enough about what she's done for our communities here in san francisco. so thank you so much, and i ask that you reappoint kelley cutler to the homeless local

coordinating board. >> chair peskin: mr. young, do we have any other callers wishing to make public comment? >> clerk: that was the last caller. >> chair peskin: okay. colleagues, i just wanted to point out that there are actually a number of vacancies. mayor has one vacancy that has yet to be filled, and as i mentioned earlier, the controller has yet to fill his vacancy, which of course would still have to come before this committee and the board of supervisors, and then, [indiscernible] that are before us today, seats 5, 6, 7, and 8, wherein we have two incumbents

applying for reappointment and two that are vacant. so i just wanted to say that because when we are done today or when the board is done next week, there will still be two vacant seats, and we have quite a number of qualified applicants here who may be able to be appointed by the controller to his vacancy or by the mayor to her vacancy, so i just wanted to [indiscernible]. my inclination, but i very much want to hear from you, colleagues, is for continuity and for the qualifications to reappoint the two incumbents who are seeking reappointment, and that gets us to the very difficult work of sorting through the balance. i will make a couple of observations, and i really want to thank all the applicants, all of whom are clearly

committed and qualified. the couple of observations that i would like to make for our commission is seat 1, sophia isom, who is not seeking reappointment, was an h.s.a. representative, the human services agency. i say that because miss guffey also works for the human services agency. it does not constrain us, but i think there's some value in having a human services agency member on that body. and second, i will note that we have many, many san franciscans here. i know that we have two individuals who are seeking residency waivers. one of them is, of course, del seymour, the incumbent, and another, ancel romero.

i would be inclined to be sparing with our residency waivers. i would be inclined to not do two of them, but one perhaps, but let's hear from you, colleagues, as to what your thoughts are. don't all speak at once. supervisor mandelman? >> supervisor mandelman: yep, thank you, chair peskin, and as is usually the case, we have -- or not usually, but as is sometimes the case, we have an abundance of riches and too many good people for us to appoint to this body. i think i share your

inclination to reappointment del seymour and also share your inclination that nikon guffey should be on this body. as to the other choices, i have several thoughts about several of them. i guess i have thoughts about three of them. josh steinberger has abundant experience, i think, you know, in the city working for city agencies as well as nonprofits. seeing this from his vantage point on the other side of the bay and as a san franciscan i think would be very good to have on there, and a good person. i think it would be good to have him on there. gary mccoy, i also know him and

respect his work, and while i may have some difference with him on the shelter versus housing debate, i, you know, still think he would be great on this board, as well. mark nagel's application raises questions about what the role of the local coordinating homeless board is and should be. i think for many people and the public, this is not just a body -- and i think for the members of the board itself, i don't think they see their role or that the broader public sees their role as simply overseeing $60 million in federal contracts. they seem to, at the very least, [indiscernible] and they also sometimes go beyond that

to weighing into broader questions like encampment resolutions, the role of hsoc, and to the extent that they are going there, i would be strongly inclined to have mark nagel on there. so i guess i've put put three names out there for two spots. >> chair peskin: yes, and whether anybody is on this body or not on this body, supervisor chan, thoughts from you? >> supervisor chan: thank you,

chair peskin. i would be inclined to support incumbents. during my public service career, i have actually worked with gary mccoy, and knowing his experience in my professional and personal life, i am inclined to support gary, as well. i think it's important to think about having the mayor and the controller to articulate their appointment and thoughts, but those are my thoughts on these appointments today, thank you. >> chair peskin: yeah, i wish the controller had made our job

easier. i did suggest, on friday afternoon, that he make our job easier by supporting and appointing someone from this list, which he mentioned he might do but has not yet done. i think we've got a couple of choices. one is we can continue this to our meeting of monday and see if the controller makes our job easier. the other is we can continue seat number 9, which is, of course, subject to confirmation by this committee and the board to whenever the controller makes his decision. but in terms of hazarding a motion that would be simpatico,

i'm inclined to support kelley cutler -- maybe what we should do is take this piece by piece. do three and continue 8 and 9 to the call of the chair and see what mr. rosenfield does for us. how is that for a proposal? all right. mr. clerk, i will make a motion to nominate -- or to recommend to the full board kelley cutler for seat 5, del seymour with a residency waiver for seat 6, nikon guffey for seat 7, and

continue seats 8 and 9 to the call of the chair. on that motion, a roll call, please. >> clerk: on that motion -- [roll call] >> clerk: the motion passes without objection. >> chair peskin: and as soon as we hear from the controller, i will schedule this at the next available agenda, and we are adjourned.

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was started by two graduates from cornell. i'm a graduate of this program, and very proud of that. so students can expect to learn under the three degrees. culinary arts management degree, food service management degree, and hotel management degree. we're not a cooking school. even though we're not teaching you how to cook, we're teaching you how to manage, how to supervise employees, how to manage a hotel, and plus you're getting an associate of science degree. >> my name is vince, and i'm a faculty member of the hospitality arts and culinary school here in san francisco. this is my 11th year. the program is very, very rich

in what this industry demands. cooking, health, safety, and sanitation issues are included in it. it's quite a complete program to prepare them for what's happening out in the real world. >> the first time i heard about this program, i was working in a restaurant, and the sous chef had graduated from this program. he was very young to be a sous chef, and i want to be like him, basically, in the future. this program, it's awesome. >> it's another world when you're here. it's another world. you get to be who you are, a person get to be who they are. you get to explore different things, and then, you get to explore and they encourage you to bring your background to the kitchen, too. >> i've been in the program for

about a year. two-year program, and i'm about halfway through. before, i was studying behavioral genetics and dance. i had few injuries, and i couldn't pursue the things that i needed to to dance, so i pursued my other passion, cooking. when i stopped dance, i was deprived of my creative outlet, and cooking has been that for me, specifically pastry. >> the good thing is we have students everywhere from places like the ritz to -- >> we have kids from every area. >> facebook and google. >> kids from everywhere. >> they are all over the bay area, and they're thriving. >> my name is jeff, and i'm a coowner of nopa restaurant,

nopalito restaurant in san francisco. i attended city college of san francisco, the culinary arts program, where it was called hotel and restaurant back then in the early 90's. nopalito on broderick street, it's based on no specific region in mexico. all our masa is hand made. we cook our own corn in house. everything is pretty much hand made on a daily basis, so day and night, we're making hand made tortillas, carnitas, salsas. a lot of love put into this. [♪♪♪] >> used to be very easy to

define casual dining, fine dining, quick service. now, it's shades of gray, and we're trying to define that experience through that spectrum of service. fine dining calls into white table cloths. the cafeteria is large production kitchen, understanding vast production kitchens, the googles and the facebooks of the world that have those types of kitchens. and the ideas that change every year, again, it's the notion and the venue. >> one of the things i love about vince is one of our outlets is a concept restaurant, and he changes the concept every year to show students how to do a startup restaurant. it's been a pizzeria, a taco bar. it's been a mediterranean bar, it's been a noodle bar.

people choose ccsf over other hospitality programs because the industry recognizes that we instill the work ethic. we, again, serve breakfast, lunch, and dinner. other culinary hospitality programs may open two days a week for breakfast service. we're open for breakfast, lunch, and dinner five days a week. >> the menu's always interesting. they change it every semester, maybe more. there's always a good variety of foods. the preparation is always beautiful. the students are really sincere, and they work so hard here, and they're so proud of their work. >> i've had people coming in to town, and i, like, bring them here for a special treat, so it's more, like, not so much every day, but as often as i can for a special treat.

>> when i have my interns in their final semester of the program go out in the industry, 80 to 90% of the students get hired in the industry, well above the industry average in the culinary program. >> we do have internals continually coming into our restaurants from city college of san francisco, and most of the time that people doing internships with us realize this is what they want to do for a living. we hired many interns into employees from our restaurants. my partner is also a graduate of city college. >> so my goal is actually to travel and try to do some pastry in maybe italy or france, along those lines. i actually have developed a few connections through this

program in italy, which i am excited to support. >> i'm thinking about going to go work on a cruise ship for about two, three year so i can save some money and then hopefully venture out on my own. >> yeah, i want to go back to china. i want to bring something that i learned here, the french cooking, the western system, back to china. >> so we want them to have a full toolkit. we're trying to make them ready for the world out there. a city like no other, san francisco has been a beacon of hope, and an ally towards lgbtq

equal rights. [♪♪] >> known as the gay capital of america, san francisco has been at the forefront fighting gay civil rights for decades becoming a bedrock for the historical firsts. the first city with the first openly gay bar. the first pride parade. the first city to legalize gay marriage. the first place of the iconic gay pride flag. established to help cancel policy, programses, and initiatives to support trans

and lgbtq communities in san francisco. >> we've created an opportunity to have a seat at the table. where trans can be part of city government and create more civic engagement through our trans advisory committee which advises our office and the mayor's office. we've also worked to really address where there's gaps across services to see where we can address things like housing and homelessness, low income, access to small businesses and employment and education. so we really worked across the board as well as meeting overall policies. >> among the priorities, the office of transgender initiatives also works locally to track lgbtq across the

country. >> especially our young trans kids and students. so we do a lot of work to make sure we're addressing and naming those anti-trans policies and doing what we can to combat them. >> trans communities often have not been included at the policy levels at really any level whether that's local government, state government. we've always had to fend for ourselves and figure out how to care for our own communities. so an office like this can really show and become a model for the country on how to really help make sure that our entire community is served by the city and that we all get opportunities to participate because, in the end, our entire community is stronger. >> the pandemic underscored many of the inequities they experienced on a daily basis. nonetheless, this health crisis also highlighted the strength in the lgbtq and trans community.

>> several of our team members were deployed as part of the work at the covid command center and they did incredit able work there both in terms of navigation and shelter-in-place hotels to other team members who led equity and lgbtq inclusion work to make sure we had pop-up testing and information sites across the city as well as making sure that data collection was happening. we had statewide legislation that required that we collected information on sexual orientation and our team worked so closely with d.p.h. to make sure those questions were included at testing site but also throughout the whole network of care. part of the work i've had a privilege to be apart of was to work with o.t.i. and a community organization to work together to create a coalition that met monthly to make sure we worked together and coordinated as much as we could

to lgbtq communities in the city. >> partnering with community organizations is key to the success of this office ensuring lgbtq and gender nonconforming people have access to a wide range of services and places to go where they will be respected. o.t.i.'s trans advisory committee is committed to being that voice. >> the transgender advisory counsel is a group of amazing community leaders here in san francisco. i think we all come from all walks of life, very diverse, different backgrounds, different expertises, and i think it's just an amazing group of people that have a vision to make san francisco a true liberated city for transgender folks. >> being apart of the grou

allows us to provide more information on the ground. we're allowed to get. and prior to the pandemic, there's always been an issue around language barriers and education access and workforce development. now, of course, the city has been more invested in to make sure our community is thriving and making sure we are mobilizing. >> all of the supervisors along with mayor london breed know that there's still a lot to be done and like i said before, i'm just so happy to live in a city where they see trans folks and recognize us of human beings and know that we deserve to live with dignity and respect just like everybody else. >> being part of the trans initiative has been just a great privilege for me and i feel so lucky to have been able

to serve for it for so far over three years. it's the only office of its kind and i think it's a big opportunity for us to show the country or the world about things we can do when we really put a focus on transgender issues and transgender communities. and when you put transgender people in leadership positions. >> thank you, claire. and i just want to say to claire farly who is the leader of the office of transgender initiatives, she has really taken that role to a whole other level and is currently a grand marshal for this year's s.f. prize. so congratulations, claire. >> my dream is to really look at where we want san francisco to be in the future. how can we have a place where we have transliberation, quality, and inclusion, and equity across san francisco? and so when i look five years from now, ten years from now, i

want us to make sure that we're continuing to lead the country in being the best that we can be. not only are we working to make sure we have jobs and equal opportunity and pathways to education, employment, and advancement, but we're making sure we're taking care of our most impacted communities, our trans communities of color, trans women of color, and black trans women. and we're making sure we're addressing the barriers of the access to health care and mental health services and we're supporting our seniors who've done the work and really be able to age in place and have access to the services and resources they deserve. so there's so much more work to do, but we're really proud of the work that we've done so far. [♪♪]

shop and dine in the 49 promotes local businesses and challenges residents to do their

shopping and dining within the 49 square miles of san francisco. by supporting local services within our neighborhoods, we help san francisco remain unique, successful, and vibrant. so where will you shop and dine in the 49? >> my name is ray behr. i am the owner of chief plus. it's a destination specialty foods store, and it's also a corner grocery store, as well. we call it cheese plus because there's a lot of additions in addition to cheese here. from fresh flowers, to wine, past a, chocolate, our dining area and espresso bar. you can have a casual meeting if you want to. it's a real community gathering place. what makes little polk unique, i think, first of all, it's a great pedestrian street. there's people out and about all

day, meeting this neighbor and coming out and supporting the businesses. the businesses here are almost all exclusively independent owned small businesses. it harkens back to supporting local. polk street doesn't look like anywhere u.s.a. it has its own businesses and personality. we have clothing stores to gallerys, to personal service stores, where you can get your hsus repaired, luggage repaired. there's a music studio across the street. it's raily a diverse and unique offering on this really great street. i think san franciscans should shop local as much as they can because they can discover things that they may not be familiar with. again, the marketplace is changing, and, you know, you look at a screen, and you click a mouse, and you order something, and it shows up, but to have a tangible experience, to be able to come in to taste

things, to see things, to smell things, all those things, it's very important that you do so. >> president moran: 2022 meeting of the public yutings commission to order. please call the roll. [ roll call ] >> clerk: vice president ajami is excused from today's meeting. we have a quorum. due to the covid-19 health emergency issued by the san francisco department of public health and emergency orders of

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>> we have one caller. >> clerk: this is for item number 3, state urgency legislation. >> caller: this is barry nelson with the golden state family association. i was apologized. i was putting my hand up for number 5. >> no worry. thank you so much. there are no more callers in the queue. >> clerk: public comment on item 3 is closed. >> president moran: thank you. any further discussion? seeing none, may i have a motion and a second? >> move to approve. >> second. >> president moran: roll call

plea. [roll call vote]ful three aye -- you have three ayes. >> president moran: the motion passes. next item. >> clerk: item 4, approval of the minutes february 8, 2022. >> president moran: any additions or corrections or comments? seeing none. public comment please. >> clerk: members of the pub who wish to make two minutes on item 4, dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. press star 3 to speak. >> there are no callers in the queue.

>> clerk: public comment is closed. >> president moran: any further discussion? motion and second please. >> commissioner maxwell: motion to approve minutes. >> commissioner paulson: second. >> president moran: roll call please. [roll call vote] you have three ayes. >> president moran: minutes from approved. >> clerk: item 5, general public comment. members of the public my address the commission on matters that are within the commission's jurisdiction and not on today's agenda by dialing (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. press star 3 to speak.

>> there are six callers in the queue. >> caller: the commissioner, we have very clear idea now about the community benefits and all along this time, even as we have been bringing to your attention, we want accountability and transparency. we haven't received it. i think the time has come to review whatever documents are there in terms of adjudication and to have a hearing.

community benefits have been given to some people that did not deserve it. people have been charged and you commissioners know a lot about the discrepancy and now it must be full transparency. we cannot kick the can down the street. we also need whoever is in charge on the community benefits to reach out to the community as much as we are trying to reach out to a few people getting no response. we need full transparency.

thank you very much. >> thank you for your comments. next caller, your line is open. you have two minutes. >> caller: on january 24th, i gave the general public comment at the capital planning committee and i quote, from 1913 until may 10, 2010, the fire department had jurisdiction over a law d.p.w. performing design and engineer. it was placed on the ballot for the june 2010 election to perform repairs. on may 10, 2010, then mayor newsom transferred him from the fire department to sfpuc to balance the budget over the

objections of some in the fire department and commission. since his transfer, the p.u.c. put forth questionable modification to a flexible water supply system with 350-pound hoses so heavy firefighters couldn't lift them. now, one p.u.c. commissioner stating that we don't need if we eliminate all gas appliances. this begs the question is now the time to write the ship. the men and women of the fire department put their lives on the line to fight fires. the men and women of the p.u.c. do not. one perspective is fire fighting, the other is engineering. thank you.

>> thank you your comments. next caller. you have two minutes. >> caller: i was lucky enough to be on a panel on october 29th last year. i had time to go through in some depth. i don't know if it's pier reviewed. i like to compliment you on the climate information workshop that included nine climate scientists of highly respected organizations. just to note, comments in the n.g.o. letter to you is relevant to the study and policy decisions including mention of high demands used from the l.t.a. thank you for your excellent study. i hope bawsca pays for its shares. my vote will be that you do a

similar study ever five years to update the assessment and you make policy decisions today that will be reexamined every five years. two conclusions, one, there's no clear indication that average precipitation will change in the next 50 years. two, warming of 4 degrees celsius is expected in the next 50 years. the study said that if the severity of the 1987-92 drop has a return period 420 years today and 4 degrees warmer temperatures that increases to 675 years. there are statements that appear to be in conflict or difficult to understand. for example water available to the city will decrease slightly. i'm reaching out to mr. richie to see if there's a way to address items like this to develop a common understanding. thank you commissioners.

and sfpuc staff for the ltba. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. next caller. you have two minutes. >> caller: thank you. good afternoon president moran and commissioners. this is. -- last week we received san francisco's response to petition for reconsideration of the water quality certification that the state water board issued last year in the licensing process. san francisco response again claims that current water demand and the sfpuc service area is 238 million gallons a day. exhibit e in the same filing is sfpuc's water resource division annual report for fiscal year 2020-21. it shows the demand was 195 mtd. the figure cited in the petition

to the state water board, inflated demand by 22%. this isn't a projection. we're talking about actual per demand. the figure was used to place figures in the san francisco chronical on may 28, 2021. i filed sunshine ordinance request for the data and calculations used to determine the rationing numbers. the response i received stated, we are withholding the information you're seeking as it constitutes attorney-client communication. i believe this is a clear violation of san francisco's sunshine ordinance. i ask that you correct the issue. i don't have to follow the procedure listed at a top of your agenda. the sfpuc's water resource division annual report, san francisco water conservation efforts have helped reduce water demand over the last two decades

despite population growth. in 1998, san francisco had about 754,000 residents who use 82 million gallons a today. today with 875,000 residents, san francisco uses 7.3 million gallons a day. that's remarkable. huge accomplishment and it should be great for tuolumne river as well. thank you very much. >> caller: i'm calling about a letter about a agreement

process. i like to raise three concerns about that letter. first, that letter it states that the tuolumne river voluntary agreement will provide better results from the state board phase one requirements. that's not true. as you know in august 2020, a review showed that the tuolumne river voluntary agreement lacks scientific basis. the staff still not publicly and responded to that pier review. it has no scientific basis. it's seen by the state having no scientific basis indicated by the secretary's letter. the letter continue to insist that the state board does not analyze the tuolumne river voluntary agreement. that's not accurate. they considered it during the

ferc relicensing process. third concern the letter continues to insert that it will result in devastating impacts. we think if the state board does three things that you can live with the state board standards. that's accelerate water supplies use accurate demand projection. we continue to urge you to move in a new direction. we urge you to hold a public forum on the status of populations on the tuolumne river that's declined in the last three years. >> thank you for your comments. next caller. >> caller: thank you, chair.

good to be back with you. i will talk about cleanpowersf today. i'm an order user of electricity. only representing myself. i'm calling from my kitchen powered by solar energy and using my standard general electronic burner range. cleanpowersf is important to me because of what the name says. clean power sf. clean power for any beloved second home in san francisco. i think back, i'm not from san francisco, if i think about potential clean electricity, in 1970, i was introduced to a

transportation system in new york city. called a subway. i'm sure you all probably gotten to see it. two billion kilowatt hours of electricity. how can we have that signature achievement in just as i would like the subway to be renewable, having a cleanpowersf that can serve those kinds of very large loads in all the renewable manner and to do it cheaper than standard electricity. i take very great pride in my cooking. i'm living and i eat great food in all electric kitchen. i believe this is within reach for anybody who will only put in

the work. it's up to the agency to assist with that. it's costly for people to make these conversions. i ask you to continue to work for a cleaner san francisco and think of the ordinary folks like you. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. we've had one additional caller join the queue. >> caller: this is david pilpel. i have to apologize on several other deadlines today. i may be able to listen to the commission meeting. i probably won't be able to call in on other items. i'm very sorry. you know how much i love the p.u.c. and these meetings. i really am sorry about that. i got other things that i got to

attend to and i hope that the next meeting, which is supposed to be in in-person, unless there's a change to the mayor's 45th supplement, will continue to allow public participation by remote means as i believe it's required to. i hope that will all be checked out and tested so that there are a few technical issues as possible there. i think the hybrid environment will be even more challenging than the teleconference environment that we've been meeting in. i hope things work out and thanks for listening. >> thank you for your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> clerk: thank you, general public comment is closed. >> president moran: thank you. next item is communications.

any comments or questions about the communications you received? seeing none i have one item. i like to ask staff to prepare a schedule for the unfinished business that we have in the workshops that we had started almost a year ago. we had a schedule that took us to the fall and then with budget and everything else. we have kind of lost track of that. if staff would put together a schedule that we can keep for the remaining items that we've identified for workshops, i appreciate that. that should be part of the advance calendar. anything else on communications? public comment please.

>> clerk: members of the public who wish to make public comment on item 6, dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound to raise your hand to speak, press star 3. do we have any callers? >> there are no callers wishing to be recognized at this time. >> clerk: thank you, public comment is item 6 is closed. >> president moran: thank you. next item. >> clerk: item 7, the annual revenue bond oversight committee report as prepared. >> thank you. mr. president, commissioners, thank you for having me here

today. i'm the chair of the revenue bond oversight committee. on behalf of my fellow committee members, i present you with the annual report of the revenue bond oversight committee for the period january 2020 to june 2021. highlights include monitoring the outcome of bond sales and ongoing debt plans working with p.u.c. and staff of performance and expenditures. the audit report was released earlier this month it presents material findings to improve internal control and reporting. finally, the committee was unable to perform site visits because of covid restrictions. like to express my appreciation for the committee and the staff and the p.u.c. and staff of the controllers office for facilitating the work of the committee. also i like to call out and thank michael brown and richard

morales from the p.u.c. and victor young from the board of supervisors for their guidance and support. i will pause and will answer any >> president moran: commissioner s any questions or comments? >> commissioner maxwell: i want to thank you for your work. it's citizens like you who really make a difference and take your role very seriously. thank you again for all that you do. >> thank you. >> president moran: indeed. seeing no additional questions from the commission. public comment please. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make two minutes of public comment on item number 7, the annual arboc committee report dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289

pound pound. to raise your hand to speak press star 3. do we have any callers? >> there is one caller in the queue. >> caller: i'm the director of environmental justice advocacy. my strength comes from working with the federal government. i never seen someone give a report with just a few sentences on a very, very complicated situation. the san francisco public utilities commission has failed

miserably. wasting millions of dollars. so much so and the city attorney, controllers office, other entities could do nothing. the federal bureau of investigations stepped in to do an audit. which has led to many people being charged in the pipeline and some people indicted. the revenue bond oversight committee has a responsibility. to be responsible to the taxpayers, the constituents, the citizens of this united states

of america to know how our money is spent. our money has not been spent in the right manner. the money has not been spent in the right manner. that's all i'm saying. in the two minutes given to me. >> thank you for your comments. we have two additional callers. >> caller: good afternoon, this is david pilpel again. i was listening. i was not intending to speak. i must take exception to comments made by the prior speaker. i attend to meetings of the

revenue bond oversight committee. i compliment chair leale and other members for their work, the focus and the responsibility of arboc are legit. they have done that work. the annual report fairly describes the work during the reporting period. they are only responsible for ensuring that the revenue bonds are used for therapy intended purposes. they are not responsible anything else with regard to the p.u.c. it's a their and specific focus that was charged by the voters in 2002 and extended by the board of supervisors. i thank them for their work and i will leave it at that. >> thank you for your comments.

next caller. you have two minutes. >> caller: hello. i'm from the tuolumne river trust. i'm surprised there wasn't more information shared here, perhaps a few slides. i think this is a pretty important role. i'm not familiar with it. i appreciate that mr. pilpel has confidence. that's a good thing. it will be nice to understand this process a lot better. may be in the future, even follow-up to this, we could have a little bit more in-depth presentation. thank you. >> thank you your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> clerk: public comment comment on item 7 is closed. >> president moran: thank you. any additional comments or questions by the commission? mr. leale, thank you very much for your work and your

presentation. next item please. >> clerk: item 8, the bay area water supply and conservation agency report. >> good afternoon commissioners. nicole sandkulla. the bawsca c.e.o. i have a few slides that i wanted to go through in particular, incident to focus on demand perfection. bawsca initiated an effort to prepare what we're calling our 2022 demand study update. we recently completed demand projections and conservation projections in support of our member agencies submittal of their 2020 plans. we do the projections in advance of them. they refine those projections if they have adjustments.

since that time several efforts have been under way at both the state level and by member agency that impact those projections. they completed their water management plans and those provide updated water demands, population and probablies and conservation efforts that have gone through a public process at each of those agencies. we also have the new proposed water efficiency targets that are anticipated impact our member agency conservation strategies moving forward. the long-term impacts of covid and other matters that are really outside the member agency controls that will impact water use. these things are worthy of consideration and demand estimates. in thinking about the decision to do this update at this time, it was one critical thing that was driving that. it was your efforts next year for the ceqa considerations for alternative water supply program. our desire is to be able to

provide you with updated projections for that effort. as we're pulling together this update, one of the early tasks that we did was to look back at past projections and kind of do a comparison just to see what those numbers were shoring. i thought i share that with the commission. i know there's been some questions about this. this slide shows population and different population projections over time. it shows historical, actual populations in the blue line. three different projections from the 2008 projection study, 2015 study and then 2020 study. they compare well.

the projections between the 2010 to 2020 period, that's where we have actuals overlapping probablies. -- projections. we see alignment in those numbers. that was an interesting result from this analysis. the question is, if the population aligns well, how do the demand projections align? this shows total demand projections. not just p.u.c. purchases but total demand projections for the bawsca area with demand on the left side axis and years across the bottom. historical demand is shown in the solid blue line. we have actually four different studies. i was able to put the 2004 study that we did in support of the program. this presented a very different

picture. esee that the projections are not aligning with what have been the actuals. the projections are continuing to trend downward. they are certainly getting lower. there's not really a good alignment between that. as i looked at this couple of things that stood out to me, you'll notice there's gray bar, the vertical bars. those are drought years. when we view demand projections, we incorporate as many things that as we can plan for and anticipate. adopt land use plan, adopt practices, conservation plans, all those types of things local policies. we can't plan for drought years. we have had since we began these projection processes, four different major drought periods. not including kind of the current one we're in. we've got major drought periods

and a recurring sequence of droughts in the last several years. as well as covid which obviously wasn't anticipated either. this to me kind of brought forth the question of, how do we deal with this moving forward? this is a critical question. how do we do better at doing demand projections and how do we deal with these unplanned events. other thing, looking at this, i think it's important to note especially in light of comments that you get about today's current demand, current demand today is being dramatically impacted by things that we see on this chart. the past several years of drought, last two droughts that we've had as well as covid. i think there's no expectation that that is the actual demand in the service area. meaning what would otherwise be happening if we weren't subject

to covid and the drought response. our demand study update has two distinct objectives. updating the water demand projections to reflect the new data that's become available since we completed the last study in 2020. then objective two, which is new to us. which is performance sensitivity analysis. to better understand and quantify where this uncertainty is with demand estimates and those variables that influence water demands. variables like population, climate change and temperature, jobs, the economy, drought, drought rebound, price and those types of things. we initiated the work in september. we're currently in the data gathering phase, collecting the

information from all the adopted water management plans. we are forming a stakeholder engagement work group to provide input into this process specifically on those key variables that impact future water demand. is there something we're missing that we should try to be capturing through this analysis. are there other variables that we should consider for evaluation as well. we're scheduled to complete this next december. the sensitivity analysis is pretty unique. there's been a few done that we looked at and talked with the other public agency. it's not a regular practice. it has become overtime, -- they

are critically important to water supply. i would argue our investment decision. our sensitivity analysis will be performed to understand the success of demand projections. it will determine the impact of a range of population, different climate scenarios to better quantify that uncertainty in demand. if we start to see more population growth because of covid or if we see discontinuing

drought scenario that we're having. we'll have a greater basis of information in which to understand what that means for our demand and demand projections. our intention is to share these results with you for your use and your water supply planning efforts as well when it's complete. lastly, i wanted to share a graphic with you that i had staff produce that kind of shows what we all know. a different way to show it. this is a percent change since 1990 for each of these different data points. the time period is from 1990 to current, 2020. we got service area population in orange. total water use in the blue and residential per capita in blue.

we can see that since 1990, the region population bawsca region population increased 27%. while total water use reduced by 13%. residential capital water use reduced. that's how we've been able to accommodate this growth without significant investment in supplies. we've been making investment in water use efficiency. however, if you look at these lines and those percent change, you're seeing that dramatic dropoff that happened every time we see one of the dash lines that indicates the drought years. these reflect this uncertainty that we can't plan for but obviously impact what our plans are. my hope is that through the sensitivity analysis, we get a better sense how to reflect some of that stuff moving forward. with that, i will conclude my

remarks. i'll be pleased to answer any >> president moran: commissioner s any questions? seeing none. thank you. it's interesting to hear how you approach the same issues we're dealing with. little bit different for the same subject. let's open up for public comment. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make two minutes of public comment on item 8, the bawsca update, dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. to raise your hand to speak, press star 3.

do we have any callers? >> we have one caller in the queue. >> caller: this is dave warner. i want to make a comment. one to thanks to c.e.o. sandkulla for taking this approach to water demand projections. it's exciting. i wish commissioner ajami would have been here to comment on bawsca approach. maybe another time. thank you so much. >> thank you for your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> clerk: public comment on item 8 is closed. >> president moran: any other comments? seeing none. next item is the report of the general manager. >> thank you mr. president. first item is item a, drought

conditions update. today. >> good afternoon. ellen lavin, deputy manager for water and acting assistant general manager. you're looking at our reservoir storages from last monday. you will see that hetch hetchy reservoir has caused that 3000-acre reservoir. we do continue to see inflows into hetch hetchy. i will share with you that our curtailments are still expensed on -- suspended on the tuolumne river. this shows you the conditions around the state and generally focusing on orville which is in upper left corner of the state.

california. drought manager. this has not changed. we're still seeing most of the state of california severe drought with some areas of moderate drought. hire we are with our precipitation. this is the first time we've seen getting slightly below the median line at hetch hetchy. we're about 96% of median. here you're on the snow pack. we've been able to add that yellow star. which indicates our snow ports

index. this is when our staff go out in the back country and able to look at show conditions in the upper elevations. here is water available to the city. we haven't had water available to san francisco through the december storm. that's pretty typical.

january did turn out to be one of the driest january on record for us, hetch hetchy. february has been very slow. i'm happy to report we have been seeing snow, during this little storm that come through. we'll continue to see little bit more overnight. similar conditions in the bay area. we did also get some rainfall in the bay area from the storm that came through last night. we'll see february bump up a little bit. this is now taking a snapshot. we're now little late on this one or this past picture i should say. what we're seeing now in our

seven day forecast, we'll get through the storm that we're in now. we have little bit of precipitation forecasted for next tuesday, wednesday. then it does look like it's drying out little bit in that 8 to 14 day outlook. we'll continue to watch this forecast and hope for more precipitation. on to the deliveries, when we go through dry periods we do see demand creep up. we are seeing a creep up. still below calendar year 2020 and where you continue to show calendar year 2015 here. just the last time we were in a shortage condition. where customers were being asked across the state from the governor to reduce consumption by 25%. we're still below that line. encouraging to see.

we have had a meeting with our customers last week where we encourage everyone to push conservation message out. next slide is our drought tracker. looking at the period from july 1 to february 4th. we're seeing overall 8.7% reduction to the same period of time from fiscal year 19-20, which is our base year. that's all i have for you today. >> president moran: commissioner s any questions? seeing none. public comments. >> clerk: members of public who wish to make public comment on item 9a, the drought conditions update. dial (415)655-0001. meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289, pound pound. to raise your hand to speak,

press star 3. >> there are no callers in the queue at this time. >> clerk: thank you, public comment on item 9a is closed. >> item 9b is quarterly audit and performance review report. >> thank you. good afternoon president and commissioners. i'm deputy chief financial officer. i'm here to present the quarterly audit and performance review report for quarter 2 for the current fiscal year 2021-22. before i begin, i like to share some exciting news. i like to send a warm welcome to

our new sfpuc director. more recently she was executive and county manager of the municipal transportation authority overseeing governance, compliance and policy supporting key, accounting functions. yesterday was her first day on a holiday. she joined the senior management team at sfpuc. welcome. there are currently 28 audits and audit portfolio for the p.u.c. over 50% of these audits are completed or in progress. the remaining 43% is upcoming to begin later this fiscal year.

in december, the social impact partnership program audit was complete the by the city as part of that i public integrities series. this audit noted seven audit recommendations supporting ignorance, transparency and -- governance, transparency and accuracy. in addition, sfpuc completing its fiscal year 2021 last year and annual fiscal inventory counts for the water, wastewater and hetch hetchy water and power. each quarter we highlight an audit that was performed. controller office requires all city departments to perform a 100% annual account of all their inventory and split the audits to their office at each fiscal

year end. the p.u.c. retain services to complete the audits. there were some that experience challenges. these primarily included the following findings. management concurred with the recommends on the audit. we'll implement the resolutions in this month. thank you. as of q2, p.u.c. has seven audit recommendations open. these are all recently due to the public integrity audit of the sfpuc social impact

partnership program. management did concur with all the recommendations. they will target a completion end of this calendar year 2022. there have been a total of 256 audit recommendations, 97% are closed leafing the remaining seven. looking forward to quarter three currently through march 2022 and beyond, we've completed the sfpuc bond expenditure audit working with the bond oversight committee. we will soon issue the fiscal year 2021 annual comprehensive financial report and the popular annual financial report later this month. those will be provided to the commission and published. these will be presented at the next quarterly presentation for

q3. lastly, i like to provide an update on sfpuc's series of public integrity assessment updates. we've completed the community benefit or social impact partnership program audit. those recommendations have been made. management will be working with the audit bureau to ensure those recommendations are implemented. currently there are two audits in process and targeted to be completed before this fiscal year end june 30th. these are sfpuc's integrity assessment. this concludes my presentation today. thank you and if there are any questions i'm happy to answer them.

>> president moran: thank you. commissioners, any questions for ms. hom? i have one comment and question? the inventory counts have been persistent management issue for years. it's good to see some progress being made there. recognizing that's a pretty messy environment, keeping track of ins and out. it's an important feature. something that warrants continues management attention to make sure that is brought under control. for a long time, we were feeling the need for some additional

information systems that looks as though that has been provided. we need to deliver on the results at the other end. the question i have is you mentioned we completed public integrity audit. we have another one starting. what's the difference in scope between those two audits? >> more recently completed partnership program that was related to a particular program, referring to it as community benefits program. the upcoming public integrity, sfpuc assessment. this is an audit performed part of their integrity series. they are meeting with various members of management.

i would like to loosely call it similar to a management audit, looking at the organization structure. perhaps looking at different departments and functions and how they are related to one another, how they work with one another, reporting relationship. the scope there can potentially be limited to areas where they find concern or not or they may expand it based on anything they may observe in the course of their field work. at this time, it's an ongoing review. they hope to complete this some time q3 or q4 this year. >> president moran: thank you. commissioners, any questions or comments? seeing none, public comment please. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make two minute public comment on item 9b, the

quarterly audit and performance review report. dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. to raise your hand to speak press star 3. >> there is one caller in the queue. >> caller: commissioners. in order for the public to get a better idea about this audit, we need to see the reports. you can speak about management control but the commissioners should be told how some of the

contractors have been suspended doing a poor job. i define to mention their names. i can mention their names if i want to. you cannot give context to a person who has a traffic management and then you know, when something happens, nobody knows what happens, millions of dollars are wasted. this has been happening for

years. you can have a new general manager. you can have 500 new general managers. you putting people who are not qualified and you know they are crooks. no way they can take control of the situation. >> thank you for your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> clerk: public comment is closed. >> mr. president, that congratulation my report. >> president moran: thank you. next item please. >> clerk: item 10, new >> president moran: commissioner s any new business?

next item please. >> clerk: item 11, the consent calendar. >> president moran: commissioner any items you like removed from the consent calendar? seeing none, public comment please. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make two minute public comment on item 9b, the dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. do we have any callers? >> there are no callers wishing to be recognized at this time. >> clerk: thank you. public comment on item 11

consent calendar is closed. >> president moran: any further discussion? may i have a motion and a second? >> commissioner paulson: so moved. >> commissioner maxwell: second. [roll call vote] you have three ayes. >> president moran: consent calendar is adopted. next item. >> clerk: item 12. award for master as-needed tree service contracts contracts hh1004a, bc and d, eat not to exceed agreement capacity of $9,700,000. with the duration of 1086

consecutive calendar days. this is presented by -- [ indiscernible ] >> good afternoon commissioners. thank you for having me here today. this contract will support removal of dead and disease trees that pose a threat to our ability to deliver water and power. i'm here to answer your >> president moran: commissioner s any questions?

seeing none. public comment. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make public comment dial (415)655-0001. meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound. press star 3 to speak. do we have any callers? >> there are no callers in the queue. >> clerk: public comment on item 12 is closed. >> president moran: any further discussion or questions? motion and a second please. >> commissioner maxwell: move to approve. >> commissioner paulson: second. >> president moran: roll call please. [roll call vote] you have three

ayes. >> president moran: next item. >> clerk: item 13. approve the selection of mark cavagnero, authorized general manager with m.c.a. for amount not to exceed $27,800,000 for the duration of five years. subject to board of supervisors approval. >> good afternoon. i'm the project manager.

i'm here today to request your approval to award a professional services contract for design of of new campus for it san francisco water department, otherwise known as city distribution division. we request your approval to award a contract to mark cavagnero and associates or m.c.a. c.d.d. with over 400 employees is responsible for the city's water distribution system. they operate and maintain it city's reservoirs, pumps and over 1200 miles of water pipelines. they oversee the water meter program and maintain the division facility.

facilities for this san francisco water it department has an interesting history. prior to 1963, the san francisco water department yard was in the southern market area. the acre has been used since the 1880s and became the water department's yard after the earthquake. because of intention to use the facility temporarily in the afternoon math of the earthquake, improvements were not made. by 1960, it was described as antiquated and inadequate. the property was acquired by the city from the federal government in 1961.

today the sfpuc is faced with the need to provide new facility. due to the growth of certain demands and challenges to maintain operations, there's a need for the design and construction of a new headquarters to alleviate overcrowding, address building code and safety issues, eliminate inefficiencicies and accommodate c.d.d.'s operational needs. efforts back in 2019. we completed a program phase with c.d.d. employees that include having a secure campus with restricted access. having a pedestrian safe campus to safe pedestrian pathways. to create a community building

campus at the current campus facilities are spread out. the site is accompanied by pg&e on the east side. this makes this portion of the site conducive to yard storage. on the opposite side, we have

shallow bedrock below the street which led to the decision to place the large structure on the site. here's the site plan. the yard on the east side and parking garage on the west side, vehicular access to the garage is separated from pedestrian zone. the warehouse is located off of the entrance on marin. the administration are situated to have one line to the entire campus and pedestrian circulation to the building is designed for the workforce to cross paths on a daily basis. here are a few renderings of the campus. the shops and warehouse have a butterfly design to provide opportunity for solar panels and natural light in the work space. this is the main entrance off

marin. in rendering gives all sense of the site line from the administration building. this is a view inside the campus west. finally, here's the gathering area outside the administration building for campus events. few comments on resiliency. we're exploring how we'll meet requirements for electrical fleets how this will be supported during power outages.

this is the summary of the project schedule. the red represents the three major contracts city helped to put in place, design, construction and construction management services. we plan to start construction at the beginning of 2024 and occupy the campus by 2028. today, we are requesting your approval to award professional services contract for design purposes to mark cavagnero and associates. public works completed schematic designs. we advertised the contract in september 2021. the contract is for

$27.8 million and has 5-year term. will require the board of supervisors' approval. before we conclude, i want to mention how we intend to use the delivery methods for the project. we had a great deal of success utilizing the project in terms of schedules, maximizing local participation and delivering the project on budget. we were six months ahead of schedule in construction until we ran into problem of getting permit. there are contractors of all sizes in the building trade and issuing multiple trade packages for the trades involve provides the opportunity to maximize participation and smaller contractors. the key to successful delivery

is bringing on the contractors as early as possible during design and cost management collaboration. the further design is detail, the more prohibited it becomes to evaluate solutions. having the contractor involve early allows greater verifications and certainty throughout the project. i hope to be in position to start construction and lock in pricing in 2024 when inflation is expected to decline. with that, i'm honored to embark on another facility and support sfpuc's mission and welcome any questions you may have on this project or the design contract.

thank you. >> president moran: commissioner maxwell? >> commissioner maxwell: is there going to be an opportunity in this new building for inventory, a better inventory management? >> yes. absolutely. one of the key team members is an industrial engineer who is essential for developing means and method as we design the shops and warehouses. >> commissioner maxwell: did you say there was only one bid? >> one response to the bid. >> commissioner maxwell: do you know why? >> i'll have ivy respond to that question. >> good afternoon commissioners. three consultants submitted

proposals in response to the r.f.p. mark cavagnero associates. our goal for any competitive selection process is to ensure there's integrity, transparency, fairness and accountability. maintaining the integrity sometimes means addressing errors and by staff with the instructions of the requirement of the r.f.p. two of the proposers did not follow the clear instructions of the r.f.p. and erred in the schedule. unfortunately, staff did not find the error to one of the firms reached out to the sfpuc to communicate a potential scoring error. upon staff review of each proposal, we confirmed that material defects were identified in kmd associates proposals. base the out material errors the

sfpuc staff in consultation with the city attorney determined that the khd associates proposals were non-responsive. mark cavagnero associates met all the criteria in the review and qualified to perform the services of this project. i'm available to answer any questions. >> commissioner maxwell: how about price wise? were they all competitive? >> they were all competitive and not to exceed value of the contract. it's the same regardless. >> president moran: did you say that the error was discovered after the scoring?

>> it was discovered after the scoring when one of the proposers reached out to us. >> president moran: i really hated when we only have one bidder that's qualified. if we have not knocked out other people because of basically technical issues by that, i mean pro forma, that would be a problem. i understand we have clear instructions on the other hand, the intent is not to punish them because it punishes up. we end up without the competitive environment. the timing strikes me as awkward in this case. what do we do -- is this pretty normal in terms of what we do when we have somebody that makes a calculation error like that? do we give them a chance to

correct it? >> i like to respond one, there was a competitive process. there were three submittals. i understand that two were deemed non-responsive. there were three that submitted proposals. this is an unusual case. if it is a material error, we may not allow a proposer to remedy their proposal submittal. >> president moran: if we found the error earlier in the process, would our response been different? >> no. >> commissioner maxwell: give me an example of a material of the problem? >> as part of the evaluation, there is an excel spreadsheet that proposers fill out with

their listing all of their staff, staff of their sub-consultants. that is called the overhead and profit schedule. it must include the base rate of each individual. the overhead and profit rate of a firm represents the average cost of benefits per employee. these can include all the expenses you pay outside the labor cost. health benefits, retirement benefits, profit sharing, sick leave, vacation insurance, travel within the bay area and other costs to the firm. this submittal becomes part of the terms of the contract it's used to govern building under the contract. r.f.p. clearly instructs proposers to provide only one overhead and profit

multiplier for each firm. each rate multiplier applies to all proposed staff and substitute new or added staff for the duration of the contract. they listed multiple overhead profit rates for a single firm. in the responses, it included optional tasks not listed in the r.f.p. these errors when factored into the overhead and profit rate could affect outcome of the competitive process and therefore material. based on the material errors, the p.u.c. determined that kmd associates and dreyfuss and blackburn were non-responsive. >> commissioner maxwell: if it's that important, why didn't we discover it before they called or -- would we have not discovered it?

seems like a pretty big material. >> i will respond. submittals by both of these firms were different than what what we usually get. we provide in the r.f.p. an excel spreadsheet for proposers to list out all their staff and sub-consultant staff and all the other criteria listed in the overhead and profit in one sheet. both of these proposers submitted a different tab for each of their sub-consultants. which were numerous. it was an oversight by staff going through that they missed it. one of their firms listed multiple, multipliers.

>> commissioner maxwell: we allowed them to have their own way of doing it? not following our prescription? >> usually that doesn't happen what happened here with the multiple tabs. if we could justify or verify their overhead and profit rate, within what was submitted, then we would be moving forward. here, there were so many tabs and so much to go through. to be honest, we missed the information on one of the tabs until it was brought to our attention. then we went did a thorough review of all three proposals.

>> commissioner maxwell: the concern it had to be brought your attention. somebody not brought to your attention t would have gone ahead in material situation. thank you. >> president moran: any other questions or comments? public comment please. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make public comment on item number 13, dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289, pound pound. to raise your hand to speak press star 3. >> there are four callers wishing to be recognized.

>> caller: hello. i'm ellen. i'm with mark cavagnero associates i'm our team project architect for the new sfpuc city distribution division campus. i wanted to say that we are incredibly excited to be recommended for this project to develop a new and improved campus for the c.d.d. we will be wagger with -- we will be working with y.a. designs and context issues we know we'll be facing with the development of the new c.d.d. campus. we're excited to work together as a team and we're excited to work with sfpuc, our social impact partners and the city of san francisco. our task will be to work with everyone and with the existing physical and social contacts to develop a project that can

benefit the immediate community that allows the c.d.d. to provide a safe and reliable water system that can serve san francisco. we are looking forward to starting this exciting project. we're available if anyone have any questions. thank you. >> thank you for your comments. >> caller: we're a small l.b.e. located in the mission district, not too far from the site. we're excited to be part of the mark cavagnero and excited to have the opportunity to collaborate with sfpuc on this wonderful and important project. thank you very much. >> next caller. you have two minutes.

>> caller: good afternoon. i'm with mark cavagnero associates. i'm the project manager. we're looking forward to working with the p.u.c. on this project. living only four blocks from the site, i'm personally invested in the outcome.

thank you commissioners. >> thank you your comments. next caller. you have two minutes. >> caller: i'm the founding member of the san francisco latino black builders association. which was outgrowth of the san francisco recovery task force which i was a member of i'm speaking today to make sure that larger projects broken down more than -- especially in the professional services sector, not just to one architect but couple of associated architects for 8 acres. the project have to be looked at that especially at the beginning. i'm intrigued with the fact that staff talked about breaking down

the trade packages which is really important for getting our bipoc construction businesses which a majority 92% of them are in the bay view in the mission district. they are union shop. i'm really concerned about this and we're going to utilize our local businesses here and get them to recover. what we found in our report that we did for the recovery team, most of the employ people in their neighborhood for where they are located. majority of our businesses are in the eastern side of the city. i would encourage you to ask for more local bipoc business utilization in all your project development. thank you. >> there are no more callers in the queue.

>> clerk: public comment on item 13 is closed. >> president moran: thank you. further discussion? i have a motion and second please? >> commissioner maxwell: move to approve. >> commissioner paulson: second. >> president moran: roll call. [roll call vote]. you have three ayes. >> president moran: next item. >> clerk: item 14. approve the plans and specify situations and award contract number wd2878a in it amount of $6,850,000 in accordance why the san francisco administrative code. >> my name is tracy cale,

project manager. this is original ground water storage to existing systems -- [ indiscernible ] two bids were received. the second bidder did not meet the license requirements for the coding -- sfpuc performed analysis under san francisco administrative code section 6.23c3. determined that the qualifications for meters were not too onerous on necessary for the work.

because the non-responsive bid was more than $2 billion above the lowest responsive bid, the competitor was unlikely to lower its price on a rebid to effectively compete with the one responsive bid received. sfpuc recommends the contract award to marinship as the responsible bidder. thank you. >> president moran: questions or comments? public comment please. >> clerk: members of the public who wish to make public comment on item 14, dial (415)655-0001. meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound.

>> there are no callers wishing to comment. >> clerk: public comment on item 14 is closed. >> president moran: additional comments. motion and second please. >> commissioner maxwell: move to approve. >> commissioner paulson: second. >> president moran: roll call. [roll call vote] you have three ayes. >> president moran: item passes. >> clerk: item 15, approve the project participation and share agreement the buyer liability pass through agreement and coordinated operations agreement to clean -- cleanpowersf may

participate in california community powers long duration energy storage project with tumbleweed energy storage llc. authorize the general manager to seek approval from board of supervisors to execute the agreement. >> good afternoon. i'm mike himes i'm the deputy manager for cleanpowersf. we have for approval today before you three agreements that would authorize cleanpowersf to participate in the purchase of energy products from a new long duration energy storage project, the tumbleweed project, through california community power. we have shared some of our presentation before but kept on the agenda item for background and context. i will focus on subset of the slides during my presentation.

california public utilities ordered cleanpowersf to procure long duration and energy storage resources. to address this requirement, cleanpowersf participated in a request for offers for long durations, storage, resources as a member of california community power. which is known as pc power for short. on january 19th, c.c. power approved the tumbleweed project. c.c. power and member agencies including cleanpowersf are now seeking approval from their governing bodies to participate

in the project through c.c. power. if you could please get to slide 5 now. here's an overview of the long durations request for offers timeline. we have been at this now since the middle of 2020. as i noted earlier in june of last year, the california p.u.c. ordered requiring cleanpowersf to secure about 15 megawatts for energy storage to support statewide electric reliability. c.c. power board proofed energy storage services agreement. we are now here seeking your approval. here's an overview of the tumbleweed project.

the developer, will finance, construct, on and operate the project. it will be a 69 mega watt lithium ion battery. good location for this type of project given the significant amount of solar power resources operating there. the tumbleweed project is committed to building its project in full compliance with california prevailing wage requirement and using a project labor agreement, collective bargaining agreement or similar agreement providing for the terms and conditions employment for applicable labor organizations. the developer has committed to a commercial operations date to the plan of june 1, 2026. from the start of the project operations.

>> commissioner maxwell: before you move on, are these the batteries? >> yes. this is a picture of what this type of project would look like. it's not these batteries because they have yet to be constructed. essentially, this is what they would look like. >> commissioner maxwell: how big are they? they look big from here. how big are they? >> those are the size of a shipping container. about three shipping containers stacked side-by-side. the configuration of this battery is going to be similar. it will be larger than what you're seeing here. i don't have the exact

specifications. >> commissioner maxwell: is it one battery? >> it is one system. batteries are highly scalable. you're adding more cells. each one of the containers represents a single unit. to scale them, we would add additional units or developer would add additional units. >> commissioner maxwell: thank you. >> slide 9 here. there are three documents that we're seeking your approval to execute. the agreements noted here on the slide with the numbers 1, 2 and 3. number 1 is the coordinated operations agreement. the operations agreement is c.c. power and those participating in the power.

c.c. power presents operations. number 2 -- >> president moran: your audio is cutting in and out. it might be helpful if you mute the video. >> thank you for letting me know. is that better? >> president moran: so far. >> great. thank you. my apologies if that was a bad connection before. i'm on number 2. the project participation share agreement. would like me to repeat number

1? >> president moran: no. >> the project participation share agreement is also between the project participants and c.c. power. it specifies what c.c. power and the participants obligations are as well as how benefits of the project will be shared among the participants. lastly, number 3 is the buyer liability pass-through agreement. this agreement is annexability an -- exhibitwith the tumblewee. under this agreement, cleanpowersf and the other c.c.a.s participating in the project are guaranteeing the payment of their share of c.c. power's obligations, should c.c. power fail to make any required payments. this agreement is intended to address the fact that c.c. power is a new entity with no customers or revenues. this agreement mimics what

cleanpowersf will commit to if it entered into a agreement. this slide helps put this agreement into context. we're seeking your approval to enter into -- the agreements with a not to exceed amount of $65 million over a 15-year delivery period. i do want to be clear that the action before you is requesting approval of contract term of 20 years because cleanpowersf payments under the agreement would not commence until 2026. once the tumbleweed project reaches commercial operation. the agreement will become effective once executed by all participants later this year. it's about a 4 1/2 year period before it becomes operational.

participating c.c. power members have 90 days from january 24th to execute their required agreements if they seek to participate in the project. that puts us on time line of about april 25th. if the commission approves today, we will seek board of supervisors and mayoral approvals in march with additional approvals, we'll have the general manager execute the agreement in april. cleanpowersf is working with c.c. power for approval to support compliance requirements. you can anticipate seeing me again soon. lastly, thank you. with that i'm happy to answer any questions you may have. >> commissioner maxwell: why is it taking so long? why is it taking four years?

>> couple of things. we have the 2026 date is when the california public utilities commission is requiring cleanpowersf and other providers make this capacity available to the state. we set that date to provide flexibility to the sourcing. the necessary batteries. there's quite a bit of demand globally right now for these products. that gives the developer maximum flexibility within our window to source these materials and make sure that give them what is a challenging supply chain now. they can be mobilized and deployed. if the developer can construct and operate the plant earlier, it can become available for

service earlier. it will still be a 15-year term >> commissioner maxwell: normall y where where these devices made? >> they are -- globally, manufactured devices sources materials all other the -- over the world. the lithium that is used in batteries is principlely sourced from china. there are some other countries including in south america in produces lithium. >> commissioner maxwell: thank you. >> president moran: any other comments or questions? public comment please. >> clerk: members. public who wish to make two minutes of public comment on item 15, dial (415)655-0001, meeting i.d. 2481 738 9289 pound pound.

do we have any callers? >> there are two callers in the queue. >> caller: thank you very much. i want to say it's great to see this project move forward. we've been tracking the cleanpowersf since around thanksgiving 2020. it's really been great watching this thing come to reality. glad to see labor standards.

particularly being in kern county trade people working in the fossil fuel sector. watching the transition from fossil fuel to renewable energy. we have been advised by c.c. power that another project is moving forward. it will comply. i want to draw your attention to the fact that the j.p.a.'s board of directors is not interested in adopting a constitutional guideline for transparency and environmental and labor standards in all of c.c. power's energy procurement and operations. on the absence of strong leadership from cleanpowersf and

supporting the standards was quite troubling. our coalition -- working with across the c.c. power power service area to raise these issues with mixed results. earlier this month, the three c.e. community advisory committees discussed the question of strong standards. >> your time has expired. next caller. >> caller: i speak of the bay 6 as simply ordinary user of

electricity. i'm not an expert. i will take liberty to speak anyway. this is very important because we follow this matter. there are issues of solar containment, curtailment because of congestion and over production. that storage is able to absorb energy that would otherwise be curtailed. storage projects like this that can help mitigate and hopefully eliminate the waste that comes from curtailment. it will allow us to shift the electricity from the times over generation and then be able to pass it through the system when it is more needed and also when

congestion should hopefully be lower. there's a very strong resilience factor. this is a -- i hope we can do this sooner rather than later. insupport the idea of participating with other agencies so that we can learn this aspect of the electricity business and may be some day we'll have some other ones that we at sfpuc can do on our own. i am a user of battery in many situations. batteries work. it allow me to shift things when i need them. i think the agreement is worthy of approval. it's not perfect. but to do otherwise would come at the expense of the people of san francisco. that includes me. i ask for your approval.

thank you. >> thank you for your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> mr. president, i have another -- i had a question if i could. >> commissioner paulson: i was going to ask this prior to public comment. i know that there were labor standards that were talked about in terms of wages. wondering if locally our staff has any update on a particular agreement say with the tumbleweed, which has not been officially approved yet. with tumbleweed or any other entities that c.c. power has already organized within kern county to secure the agreement. expecting that the standards is different than having all agreement. i was wondering if you have an update or status on the implementation of those

standards for the building of this facility in kern county. >> i don't have any more details at this time on the specific agreement that the developer will be entering into. i think part that is the timing for mobilizing their construction agreement. which i think is off couple of years from now. that work is coming over the next two years. >> commissioner paulson: your answer is, you do not know any discussions about implementation of those standards and project labor agreement have taken place at all? >> i'm not aware of discussions, no. >> president moran: commissioner maxwell? >> commissioner maxwell: where

are we on the issue that alice mentioned earlier? >> the other matters that mr. lanceburg raised has been brought up at the board level. we continue to work with the other members. i believe we're making good progress. >> commissioner maxwell: how are we pushing? normally san francisco is 16%, it seems that we have -- if we are saying, this is extremely important to us and it could be problematic for us that may be something else would happen. >> the efforts that you're referring to really happening separate from this particular solicitation. which was issued quite a while

ago. there are some other environmental terms included in the agreement as well related to environmental impacts. we do score the projects that were proposed against one another based on environmental impact. there are also -- there's a fairly new from industry standpoint prohibiting the use of forced labor. i think you're little bit about the manufacture of the technology. that's a provision that's included in this agreement. i think what the public speaker referred to, is policies for the

organization. we continue to work to promote those types of policies at c.c. power. so they are applicable for future work. >> commissioner maxwell: when you say there's already there's another project like this coming, looking at it in the future, when do you expect to have that done? for me, that's extremely important. i'm sure for tim, it is. when are we going to -- when will you know? can you please keep us updated? >> we will keep you updated. i want to be clear, the project that i was referring to is part of the same solicitation. we won't out for a solicitation so we can secure these resources to meet our regulatory requirement. when this solicitation is done, there may be additional solicitations issued. any policies that the board

adopts between now and the issuance of any new solicitations will be in effect for that solicitation. >> commissioner maxwell: this is 15 years. >> no. what i'm referring to are solicitations for other kinds of products or services. >> commissioner maxwell: one we're dealing with today is for 15 years? >> the term of the agreement is 15 years. that's right. >> commissioner paulson: if i could augment without belaboring this, augment what commissioner maxwell said. the reason i was asking the question, within our jurisdiction here at the commission, we do have the standards already negotiated in place.

that's why i asked if there were standards without specks. there's no agreement in place. everybody says we're going to have these standards. there might be some resistance during the course of that time. >> i want to be clear that the provisions that i noted in my presentation. those are terms of the agreement that the developer in this case must abide by. to the extent we developed additional policies, those can inform future solicitations and future contracts.

>> president moran: i have a motion and second. >> commissioner maxwell: move to approve. >> second. >> president moran: roll call please. [roll call vote]. you have three ayes. >> president moran: item passes. next item. >> clerk: item 16, authorize the general manager to enter into the utility distribution company operations agreement between the san francisco p.u.c. and california independent system operator corporations. subject to board of supervisors approval. >> pursuant to power business

plan that you endorsed and various budget and contract approvals, we will be operating a new substation connecting facilities subbation in 46. our new substation will be interconnecting with caiso controlled grid. [ please stand by ]