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sfgov tv, please play the small business slide. >> president laguana: today, we will begin with the reminder that the small business commission is voicing your concerns about the economic vitality of small businesses in san francisco. the office of small business is the best place to get answers about doing business during a local emergency. if you need assistance with small business matters, you can find us online or via telephone and as always, our services are free of charge. before item number one is called, i'd like to start by thanking media services and sfgov tv for coordinating this virtual meeting and helping to run the meeting. please call item number one. >> secretary: item one, roll call. [roll call]

you have a quorum. >> president laguana: thank you. the san francisco small business commission and office of small business staff acknowledges that we are on the unceded ancestral homeland of the ramaytush ohlone who are the original inhabitants of the san francisco peninsula. as the indigenous stewards of this land, and in accordance with their traditions, the ramaytush ohlone have never ceded, lost, nor forgotten their responsibilities as the caretakers of this place, as well as for all peoples who reside in their traditional territory. as guests, we recognize that we benefit from living and working on their traditional homeland. we wish to pay our respects by acknowledging the ancestors, elders, and relatives of the ramaytush ohlone community and by affirming their sovereign right as first peoples. before i go to item number two, i want to take a moment of

presidential privilege here to acknowledge the passing of former commissioner kathleen dooley. kathleen served on this commission for well over a decade and was the embodiment of public service. director katie will be -- excuse me. she will be leaving room in the director's presentation tonight for comments that commissioners may want to make about commissioner dooley and we'll be recognizing her at that time. next item, please. >> secretary: item two, presentation on urban crime, community investment and policing. this is a discussion item and today we have professor patrick sharkey presenting for us. a professor of sociology affairs. >> president laguana: wonderful. and is professor sharkey on?

>> i'm here. yeah. can you hear me okay? >> president laguana: yeah. we can hear you perfectly. this is our first time back in this room in two plus rooms and i like how commissioner sharkey is introducing professor sharkey. >> vice president zouzounis: did you do that on purpose? >> president laguana: yeah. i listened to him on a podcast where he talked about criminal justice reform and how better ways to handle policing and so, professor, we thought it would be really helpful and instructive to all of us if you could share with us some of what you've learned and help point towards better paths for how cities like ours can move forward for policing and law

enforcement. >> sure. that sounds good. thanks for having me here. i did get a chuckle out of that. there aren't many sharkeys out there. so i'm trying to share slides, but i don't have to. i have to say i'm not entirely sure how to share my screen here. carey, do you know how to do that? >> secretary: yeah. i think. are you able to share your screen now? >> so i'm getting a message when i try to do it. it says set up webex. >> secretary: let me work on getting your slides up then and you can start and i'll try and get them up. >> sure. and it's no problem if it doesn't work. i can just talk it through.

so essentially i thought i would put this recent rise in gun violence potential strategies on how to respond. i hope it's not too abstract. i obviously don't know the particular circumstances or political environment in san franciscos like other places. so i'll do my best to make it as useful as possible, but afterward, we can get into a little more detail. so essentially, i want to make a few different points, but the first is that the rise in violence in 2020 really has to be seen in a longer historical

context. so we've had essentially four periods or major trends in violence in the u.s. and violence has been falling throughout most of history. i'm just going to recreate my graphs with hand motions. so violence has been falling throughout most of history. and then at that point violence rose very sharply. and it moved from about 4.4 murders for every 100,000 people up to around nine or ten. so more than doubles over that period and remained at a very high level through the first years of the 1990s. violence fell down again to about 4.4 in 2014. 2014 was really the low point. i just want to say in this year of the country.

and then violence has risen sharply from 2014 onwards. so when we think about what has changed recently, i really want to kind of situate this very recent rise in violence with the broader change that's taken place since 2014. that's great, thanks. >> president laguana: there you go. >> yes. that's the graph i was pointing to. if you can go to the next slide. so i'll make four points here. the first is just to be aware of where we are. the national trends are very well reflected in what has happened in san francisco as well. so we've had these four different periods. just go to the next slide. since 2014, this is from my website which tracks violence

in the largest funded cities. since 2014, all of the orange and red gas here reflect places where violence has risen. san francisco is not alone. san francisco hasn't had one of the more, the -- violence hasn't risen much less than another of cities. i know it doesn't make anyone feel better there. but the point is concepts across the nation since 2014. it's risen by about 15%. if we go to the next slide, the only additional point i'll make here is that that circle at the bottom there reflects the fact that the largest increase of violence have occurred in the poorest neighborhoods. since 2014, fatal shootings

have increased, but this is a common feature of violence. the spatial distribution of where violence happens hasn't shifted over time. it's always concentrated in the most disadvantaged community. it hits the poorest communities harder. it affects life in the most disadvantaged communities the most. next slide, please. okay. that's the first point. just go one more. so the second point, to understand why american neighborhoods are vulnerable to violence, i make the case you have to go back to the late 1960s. next slide. if you think about what's happening and this is my reading based on the historical record. i know there are folks who've lived through this. correct whatever i get wrong. but when you look at the set of challenges that became very

visible in the late 1960s and how we as a nation decided to respond. i make the case that we instead of kind of treating this set of challenges and i don't mean rising joblessness rise of pollution which became very visible in american cities during that decade in addition to homelessness in addition to social unrest and various forums and rising gun violence, i make the case that our response has really emerged in the 1960s and then has been very stable since then. and we took the response as a nation of interpreting the rise of violence as a as explained by widespread lawlessness and disorder. and that then led to a policy response that i refer to as abandonment and punishment.

so abandonment essentially meaning that the federal government was no longer going to try to respond to rising inequalities through large scale investment, through a war on poverty such as what the strategy looked like in the 1960s. instead, political influence moved away from central cities. populations moved away from central cities. federal funding moved away from central cities and instead, we took a response that focused on the institutions of punishment. instead of trying to deal with the problems of rising inequalities in investment, the u.s. instead invested in prison systems, it invested in law enforcement as a way to deal not just with all the problems when you have concentrated poverty. so this hierarchy, if you can

go to the next slide, this creates the creation difference for violence. so it doesn't translate into violence. but when you have extreme equality, in the u.s. context because of our combination of economic inequality and racial and economic segregation, inequality translates into those areas. where resources are extracted over time. this underminds core community institutions and by institutions, i mean everything from kind of maintenance of public spaces, alleyways, sidewalks, libraries, but also institutions like churches, schools, community centers, all the those places started to

wither away. on a large scale. this makes it more for neighbors to interact with each other. this creates the conditions for violence to emerge. so this is almost in the background. this is why america's cities are. all these changes and the prevalence of guns which really started to rise in the 1960s. next slide, please. okay. so the second key point is that our nation's response provided the conditions for higher levels of violence and then our response over time has relied on the police and the prison

system. the third point i want to make here, at this response one of the things that progresses in particular, is that the police can be effective and i want to make it clear that when you have really strong evidence there's more police on the street and if they are working with the communities to solve local problems, we have really good experimental evidence that tell us that more police on the streets can reduce violence. the second part of that is equally important. when we rely on the police and the prison system to respond to violence and all of the problems that come with extreme urban equality, it can be effective in controlling

violence. but it comes with tremendous cost. okay. and the consequence of this approach is to weaken communities rather than strengthen communities. it weakens communities because it takes people out of their neighborhoods. so it underminds family life and community life and it has additional costs we've seen those costs upfront. they've been around for a long time. those costs come in the form of aggressive and sometimes violent policing. so one out of every 1,000 men will be killed by the police. okay. that stat is just -- you can't overstate it. we can't rely on an approach that centers law enforcement one out of every 1000 black men will be killed by police when a

1,000 police are killed every year. so a reliance on the police and the prison system leads to in many cases aggressive policing, sometimes violent policing. it leads to intensive surveillance. it leads to widespread mistrust between residents of communities targeted by law enforcement and not just the police, but the state and at leads to mass incarceration. and we are only now getting -- i'm sorry -- my dog wants my attention here. we are only now beginning to see the impact. so i think i skipped a few slides. but maybe if you can just advance. these are just showing the

scale of what i'm talking about. so if we hold both these ideas in our mind that there is a model, the question becomes is there an alternative. and the point i want to make and i really want to emphasize the evidence behind this is that there is a different model. a model that centers the work of residents and community organizations and has tremendous potential to reduce violence. so what is the evidence behind this? you can advance to the next slide. i sat down years ago with

several graduate students to try to understand what were the changes that took place as violence changes that have already been documented about the rise of police forces and private security forces, but we also saw something different in community organizations that were formed just to build stronger neighborhoods by doing things like providing services for addiction and afterschool programs. designing parks and investing in the maintenance of parks and other public spaces and homelessness and so forth. we developed a method that i can talk about in more detail to try to get beyond just the question of what these organizations had a bigger or smaller define to really causal

impact of these community organizations and what we found this is our kind of concluding result. in a typical city in the u.s., a city with 100,000 people. every ten additionalmon profit organizations that are focused on building stronger communities, dealing with other challenges in the city to about a 9% drop in the violence rate and a smaller rate in other forms of crimes this evidence, so next slide, please, this evidence was a national study, but there have been more and more experimental evaluations of programs carrying out particular kinds of investments or programs in particular neighborhoods that have complemented this work and begun to develop this body of

evidence telling us that when there are kawhi halt programs. they have an enormous impact on violence. summer jobs are now multiple evaluations and arrests for violence crimes. nonprofits. there's lots of evidence that these organizations which have different representations in different places. abandoned plots of lands and abandoned buildings on this incredible program in philadelphia which took abandoned and made them public spaces and found this very clear sharp reduction in violence and no displacement. this violence didn't move elsewhere. it was a place that was violent and no longer violent after the

intervention. so there's just this growing body of evidence showing that this is not a feel good, you know argument made by activists. there is enormous evidence showing that when you invest in community organizations and residents, you can have a strong impact on violence that comes without the costs of relying on the police presence. next slide. so your conclusion is not that we should get rid of law enforcement and turn entirely to residents and community organizations. we have 400 million guns in the u.s. and we have one institution that is well equipped to deal with guns and that is the police. we have intended on the police

to regulate public space for a very long time. it is a very serious mistake to try to move forward by dismantling police departments. we're undermining the effectiveness of the police that's a recipe for rising violence. so the argument i make is that we know we have a large that residents and community organizations have tremendous capacity to control violence, we just never thought of them as essential actors. i argue for a shift to focus where we have prioritized investments in the institutions of punishment, the police in the prison system and made peace meal investments to these other organizations for the past 50 years. i argue for a shift in focus. we have to start with residents in community organizations and think of them, take them seriously as central actors in the effort to not only reduce

violence but build stronger neighborhoods. and work more effectively and build trust with institutions of the state most notably police department. and that combination with community organizations in the forefront and police dealing with very serious problems of gun violence, but in a secondary role i think as a model that we need to move toward. so i'll stop there and take any questions that folks might have. >> president laguana: great. thank you very much. that was an excellent presentation. check check. sorry, first time back in this

room so we're still working out some kinks. that was an exlent presentation. i do want to let you know that san francisco isn't necessarily dealing with a massive surge in violent crime, but there is at least a perception in an increase in property crime and my working, you know, you can correct me if i'm wrong, but there's some correlation between your research and violence crime and research in causes and effects and ways that we can address it that this would also have a positive impact on property crime as well and so that was why we invited you. so i just wanted to i guess clarify that. but i'm going to open it up to commissioners for questions. commissioners, any questions or

comments? does everybody know how to work the thing? you hit the call button on the right. while i wait for the commissioners to form late their questions, one question i did have for you, you talked about how places -- the effect of community on violence and crime overall and i was wondering about this causal relationship, you know, it sounds like crime adversely impacts communities coming together and then also the lack of community has an increase on crime and it sort of has a chicken and egg question.

is that effectively what you're saying? >> so i think you're right and that violence underminds community life and makes it less likely that people will come together and more likely that people will further recrete from spaces and not interact. so, you know, there's two different answers. we have to come up with an experience and try to figure out what the causal impact is in the shift of community organizations on crime. so we use those techniques and make conversations about the impact. from a causal perspective, you want to think about this as a recursive process when there

are places that are more violent are going to further undermind community life in places that don't have an active set of core institutions where people are coming together in public spaces and schools and churches and parks are going to be more vulnerable to rising violence. so these build on each other. >> president laguana: so, you know, along those lines, you've spoke about or your graph showed some of the impact of these community development programs, you know, one that really just grabbed me seems like a very simple one but just some are jobs seems to have an extraordinary impact on crime levels. what is the i guess -- i know it's hard to convey verbally,

but can you give us a sense of how sensitive crime is to jobs lieblg for every 1,000 jobs, you get 'x' less crime. >> so i don't think we're there where you can get that estimate. what we can do is get the estimate of the people involved in these programs, but you would have to and that's a major limitation of some of this research and one that we're working on to do a better job of, but what i can say is the summer jobs studies that have been carried out, those are some of the best and most convincing and most consistent findings out there. this is a an intervention that not only improves the lives of the kids involved, but it sort

of changes the atmosphere of neighborhoods when young people are not on their own hanging out on the street without supervision, but rather are part of programs if they're well-run that can just transform what the neighborhood looks like. and so, you know, we don't have the precise answer that you're looking for. i can speculate and give you a number, but i think it wouldn't be grounded. we just don't have that evidence, but i do think it is one of those investments that should be on every city's agenda not only running these programs, but expanding them, incorporating cognitive behavioral therapy which was one of the things done in chicago and really making this a key part of the effort to ward off a rise in violence

that typically comes in the summer months. >> president laguana: something i'll flag for you and my fellow commissioners is most new jobs in america come from small businesses. small businesses are the biggest driver of new employment in the country and i think most people, their first job is often working in a small business whether it's a restaurant or an ice cream shop or something like that. so this seems like a really important relationship for this commission to focus on in terms of the impact of enabling and creating small businesses and the second and third order impacts it can have on some of these issues that we're dealing with as a city and as a country with respect to crime levels, so i really appreciate the work that you're doing and, you know, clarifying that

relationship because i think it underscores how the work that we do here on this commission can really be quite important in ways that we wouldn't unfortunately expect. one other question i had for you. so you spoke about police that they can have an impact on reducing violence, but there is -- it's maybe not the optimal way to do it because over a period of time, you create negative externalities in terms of incarceration and breaking up these communities that are so important to keeping these crime rates low overall, but, you know, what i heard you talk about on the podcast as well was, you know, sometimes when you're looking at a -- you need

a faster response in terms of addressing crime, it's often the case that police is really your best option because some of these community oriented solutions do take some amount of time to deliver results. i noticed you had a slide, we didn't get a chance to look at it in length, but you talked about how the per capita rates of police officers per city had been rising overtime and i was wondering if there was anything in your research that indicated, you know, what is the right relationship of number of officers to a population? is there something that can give us guidance if there is rising property crimes or a perception of that, is there something here that can give us guidance to how much do we turn

the knob up on police and how much do we not turn up that knob, you know, is there something you can offer us that we can share with policy makers on how to approach this problem in a moment where things feel a little more intense? >> yeah. it's a great question. so i can point you to the research that's been done on kind of the variation that police forces per capita. the interesting thing is that there is not a clear threshold. there's not a clear. they're not like cross sectional differences that show 'x number of officers have lower levels and the reason is there are cities add per take away police officers in part

because of the scale of the problem. it's just very difficult to look at the variation across places and say there's a number we should shoot for. most of what we know comes from shifts on the margins. there are changes in particular neighborhoods so, i can pass on some references to allow you to see the variations, but i think the crucial point is, a, dismantling the police departments is going to lead to a rise in violence. pulling back police officers from public spaces is typically going to lead to a rise in violence, but the crucial point is what police are encouraged to do and the degree to which they are working effectively

with community organizations, with the city government, that is really the curable ingredient from my perspective. it's not entirely about how many there are out there. it is much more about how effectively they're able to work with different accurate sorries. so the police department has lost all the trust of the community, it's going to be very hard for them to be effective regardless of how many police officers there are. whereas you have examples to programs like problem oriented policing in some cases, the police are working directly with residents, they have built a sufficient amount of trust where they're able to get from residents. i guess, my point is i would really be focusing on how the police are working with

different actors in the community and what they're doing to deal with the violence and the raw number. >> president laguana: such a great point. thank you so much. commissioner carter. >> commissioner: i just want to say that's a very excellent presentation with all the ovrgs going on in the nation. i think i'm curious in what kind of business improvements and that store front, would that cause a rise in violence in communities? >> thanks for the question. so the evidence in this improvement district, mostly there's an unrelated study done in los angeles, there's another done in chicago. and essentially what it showed is that business district improvement forms leads to the reduction of violence in the

area that's covered and so part of the explanation and the impact is larger if the bid is devoting more of its resource to security so it's an interesting finding because they do lots of different things and some i think are seen as working hand and hand with police departments where others have a different focus on sanitation and so forth. when you have an organization that sees its role of looking out over a space and making sure there are no problem areas within that space, no dangerous areas within that space and there are people who are spending their time out in that space and making sure things go downhill, the violence will probably fall whether it's a community organization and this improvement district or a

police officer, violence will probably fall if that space is looked after on the second part, when a community starts to wither away maybe people move away, shops close down and there are fewer people out in public space together, that place becomes vulnerable for rising violence. >> president laguana: we lost him. hopefully he's able to rejoin us.

>> employment opportunities as young people enter the labor market and so we can show that those consequences of living in a violent environment on employment and later on economic trajectories. to it's a crucial part of how violence underminds communities. >> president laguana: commissioner, walker, did you have anymore questions? >> commissioner: no thank you. >> president laguana: okay. one quick followup question. are you aware of any research or have you seen anything around the effect since the pandemic there's been a lot of public dining since we're talking about the build environment. i was wondering if you've seen any recent research in terms of how these different approaches

to land use may possibly be affecting crime rates overall. >> i haven't seen any great research. there's a year month lag but, no, it's a great question. i'm looking for those arguments to help it. commissioner huie, thank you for humoring me and the question in between. >> commissioner huie: thank you, very much, professor sharkey for your presentation. it was very helpful. i just have a few questions. one was in terms of sees a reduction in crime, what was the time frame on those results? how quickly do -- or i guess how long were these studies and when did people start to see results related to them?

>> can you clarify which? are you talking about the community organization? >> commissioner huie: yeah. i think somewhere so with the community organizations. like adding additional nonprofits. >> president laguana: we may have lost him. >> can you hear me now? >> president laguana: yep. we can hear you now. >> okay. sorry. i don't know what happened there. so i didn't get all the question, but what i heard was the time frame for the impact particularly of the business improvement districts. let me know if i don't cover everything. so those studies particularly focus on the timing. they rely on using the timing of when a bid is formed to

figure out what the impact was and so it's saying that, you know, when a public space transforms through a formation, the finding is there's an immediate impact on violence and it doesn't take years for that change to emerge. in fact, all the studies that i talked about some programs, the afterschool programs in chicago, these are all, you know, some of them take some time to implement, but these are all impacts that you see right away. the real question is whether they persist for years later into a child's life. i think that's less settled. but the question of whether they have an immediate impact is clear. there is a very strong impact

that's felt right away. >> commissioner huie: another question i have is have you seen or can you share with us some of maybe the more creative strategies or case studies that you've seen in communities to help reduce crime? >> yeah. so there are lots of examples. some of them have been evaluated really well. those are the ones that i kind of mentioned as proofs of concept, but there are lots of other organizations. so i've spent a lot of time reading about the urban alkamie program in san francisco and been extremely impressed with what they're doing. it's part of kind of the broader idea of creating

organization to look out over space and make sure young people don't fall through the cracks and that people get the help and the services they need and that people feel welcomed and when you create those conditions, then violence will fall. it's really about who's looking out over public space. so it's a program that i think deserves more support and more attention in san francisco and there are programs like that running all over the country. the challenge has been that the organizations running these programs, we don't know if they're going to get funding, you know, not just five years from now, but next year. they've never been given the sustained commitment. and that's a policy choice. we have made long term

consistent investments in police departments. we have not made simpler investments. so one example. i can point to dozens of others. i went out to australia and walked with a group that's doing extraordinary work there. this work is going on all over the place. it's just a matter of where they're getting the investments that they need to be most effective. >> commissioner huie: okay. and how would you suggest communities and police departments start to have this conversation? >> well, you know, i think in a lot of places, they're trying to have these conversations and it's really, it depends on the history of the place. it depends on whether residents are willing to work with law enforcement and there's some

communities where there's just, there has thought such distrust that it's hard to have those conversations. you know, there are people like david kennedy's a criminalogist trying to get on the same page of how residents feel they have been treated by law enforcement. so that's one approach and the police department has to be on board in order to make that work. but secondly, there are a whole bunch of programs where law enforcement kind of takes a

position that their goal is to begin to build trust and that means coming together with community residents with problems in the neighborhood. so there's a program in new york written about called neighborhood stats where residents, tenants, other stakeholders, city representatives, city agencies all come together and look at the same data on what's going on in the neighborhood. dreaming this up and working with new york city government and i went to those meetings and i just saw it as the starting point for the kind of discussion that would lead to community groups working together with law enforcement, working together with the city to solve local problems. there are models out there, but i think this is kind of a burden in a growing area where

people are trying to figure out how best to start these conversations. >> commissioner huie: thank you so much. >> president laguana: commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena: thank you, professor sharkey for this presentation. i want to just summarize. all your research, the data shows that if you invest in community organizations and small business, we get a decrease in violent crime, is that correct? >> yep, that's accurate. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena: so and i think you for that because, you know, with city agencies, i wear multiple hats, i lead a lot of community benefit organizations in my neighborhood and mission district. and i grew up in the '80s and '90s with the violence, i've done prison time and so i understand just the toll it takes on community, family, and your mental health. i joke around now because you just see some gruesome stuff growing up. what i want to get at is so

when we are in conversations with the city, you have some data showing about ten nonprofits results and 9% in violent crime. is there a dollar amount. if i can go to the city and be like, look, if you invest this dollar amount, this is the reduction that will result. do you have data like that or is there studies that indicate that? >> definitely. and i can get you. you know, so for any followup questions, shoot me an e-mail. i can e-mail you a bunch of numbers and the numbers are overwhelming in the sense that actual cost to the city of every murder is upwards of a million dollars and that -- my dog is really upset with me here. sorry about this background

noise. so to answer your question, the cost to the city are just staggering when you don't deal with this problem. and those are just the direct costs of like the services that you have to provide to people going through the system. social cost which you started to mention in your question and an entirely different layer. so if you want to translate this into dollars and it's just an overwhelmingly strong argument to make these kinds of investments. i'm still listening. i'm going to get rid of my dog, but i'm still listening. >> president laguana: go ahead, commissioner. if you're done. >> president laguana: you know, before we go to public comment, i'll just say i don't think any of us when we were appointed to the small business commission thought there would be such a strong nexus between public safety. but i think what professor

sharkey and it will never stop being funny saying that, what professor sharkey is illustrating for all of us is we really do have not just a role to play, a critical and important role to play in public safety for cities and i think that that is a responsibility that we should not shy away from because i think to commissioner ortiz-cartagena's point, when we advocate for small businesses, when we advocate for more jobs, when we advocate for more community organizations like c.a.r.t. who we've received a presentation from, we are making a material difference in how our city feels, how it looks, how it operates, and all of this is self-reinforcing. so, you know, we were talking

earlier about the correlation between community and crime. when we increase community, we decrease crime. when we decrease crime, we make the city a more pleasant place to visit which increases business and community which decreases crime. we've got to start the fly wheels spinning on positive reinforcement and i just can't thank the professor enough for coming in. i'm sorry. vice president zouzounis, i didn't see that you -- >> vice president zouzounis: i was going to ask if we were going to have a commissioner discussion or if the only times for public comment was public comment. >> president laguana: we can absolutely have a conversation. now's the time. >> vice president zouzounis: if professor sharkey's interested in talking a specific san francisco context, i'd like to bring it there and i'd like to state my understanding police enforce laws and they enforce property

relations, so we can't also talk about policing in the abstract outside of what their tasked to enforce. even in a city like ours that has a lot of funds and charitable causes and, you know, nonprofit housing that engages in this type of investment work, all sorts of directions outside of the public realm. i've also seen how those other forces outside of police even if they could be well-intentioned systemic forces also produce certain types of policing and violence to communities if they're not understanding the eco system in which they're entering. i mean, i've seen and read grant language for nonprofit community redevelopment that literally states we need to get rid of this business here, you know, in the grant language and usually the business that it's

identifying saying we need to redevelop this is a community serving business owned by a community member that may not have the full resources to get to the level in which they can better be serving their community. so i'd just like to flag that i think in addition to understanding where we're putting our -- where we're potentially redirecting funding from policing to nonprofits, that has to be a mindful process as well. in addition to which laws are on our books that the police are responding to, we saw actually as much as we did see an increase in public realm for small business and shared spaces, outdoor dining, there was a very stark double standard during the course of the pandemic about who's public space it was and which type of public space was legal.

we saw an anti-loitering code that was on the books from the air of gain junctions used as a precedent for the police to shut down and put curfews on corner stores. at the height of the pandemic. when those were much needed resources to communities, whereas now, you're seeing, you know, bigger stores that were under the square footage that, you know, that code didn't apply to or restaurants were having expansion of off sale alcohol of outdoor dining whereas, you know, common areas that don't have that full facility to legalize community hanging out were actually criminalized. so there was a stark double standard in who's, you know, outdoor space was, you know, supported during the course of this pandemic. so i'd just like to say that i think our realm is looking at

those old codes that intersect with policing and small business and really understanding how we can reform those so that the police are not preemptively going after small business and the communities surrounding them, but proactively maybe letting them know we're here if you need anything as opposed to just showing up when they're tasked with enforcing a code that may be resulting in consequences that are not intended. so that was just my question and, you know, professor, that is specific san francisco context, but we did see how as well as intention as police may be, if they're tasked with responding to something that's on the books, that's their duty and so i think our duty is to make sure that we have equitable laws that will be the basis for that enforcement.

>> yeah, that resinates. i think, you know, putting it generally, i think policing should be responsive to the community and the community has to be forefront in making clear kind of what behaviors are kind of accepted within the community, what codes are, you know, prioritized within a community, what businesses they want to serve the community and the police should be responding to the residents and local organizations instead of vice versa. and so there are examples of what this looks like in practice. but i think there are -- there

is a period and admission in brooklyn that i think had a missed number, but it's called five days without cops. it was five days where residents called on all the organizations in the community over making sure that kids were taken care of, people got what they needed, they were supporting local businesses and the police were in the background. the police were asked to be there in case there was an incident where they were needed, they were really seen as kind of on the periphery available if needed in the way that residents wanted them to be available and this was a program that was supported and partially organized. this, you know, police don't object to or at least in my

experience, most police officers and leadership in law enforcement don't object to the idea that other organizations can play a bigger role, that residents should play a central role in working with the police. it just hasn't, we just haven't invested in those organizations and the community residents and we will instead rely on the police to be that dominant actor. so i don't know if i responded exactly to your question, but that's probably a discussion that all of you know much more about tonight. >> president laguana: well, professor, you've promised us 20 minutes and we've kept you for an hour. we'll check to see if there's public comment. >> secretary: we have no public commentors in person, but we have to check online for callers. >> president laguana: okay. >> secretary: sfgov tv are there any?

there's one caller in the queue. >> president laguana: public commenter, please proceed. >> caller: my name is ann cervantes. the great thing of a small business owner, almost legacy business. i'm an architect here in san francisco. what i want to say to the rest of the commission is that you have a number of nonprofit organizations that deal with issue and it's unfortunate that they haven't been properly funded because you don't need much of a jump start to see results and such organizations because there are people within the community whether they be supervisors, a, they have a long history of working with violence in this city. so i just wanted to comment on that, but i also wanted to say, is that my background is

somewhat we have to look at social accused architecture and planning and one of the one things that i read in college was oscar dumas defensible space and more activity you have in front of your space, the less crime you're going to have. so i always look to oscar newman designed in san francisco to provide defensible space. anyway. i wanted to comment on that. i was here for something else, but found your lecture very interesting. thank you for your comments. >> president laguana: thank you. >> thank you for that. i think ann is exactly right and there's a growing body of evidence to support the line of thinking both in terms of one of the studies i mentioned

about redesigning spaces so that they're more welcoming for people is one example. another that just came out in new york where they improved street lighting around public housing developments and randomized where they did it and found a very strong reduction. so there's lots of behind that space and that brings people together. >> president laguana: well, professor, this has really been incredibly illuminating and we are just very deeply appreciative for you spending your time with us and i think you've given us all a lot to

think about and also offered us pathways to be productive participants in this conversation and help our city grow and help the country grow. so your work is tremendously important. it's been an honor and a privilege to have you here today and thank you for coming and spending some time with us. >> well, thanks to all of you. thanks for listening. it's rare to have people make decisions listened to. great talking with you. >> president laguana: okay. thank you. next item, please. >> secretary: item three. welcome tiffany carter to the small business commission. this is a discussion item. >> president laguana: so it's been a while since we've had a new commissioner and so commissioner carter, i'd first like to say how lucky are you

that your first meeting is actually in person, not everybody has had that privilege. second, i'd like to say i'm extremely excited to have you on the commission. if you have something you'd like to say, the floor is is yours. >> yeah. i'm very excited to be here. i feel very honored as a san francisco native and kid growing up in the bayview, this is great. and i look forward to serving on the small business community of san francisco and hopefully adding a lot of value. so thank you, guys. >> president laguana: great. there's no doubt in my mind that you will do so. . you already are doing so. commissioners, did you want to

-- commissioner ortiz-cartagena. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena: commissioner carter, i just want to welcome you. i haven't met you until today, but we run in the same circles. i'm super stoked. the more natives we get on this commission, the better i say. so welcome. >> president laguana: thank you. commissioner huie. >> commissioner huie: yes. i just wanted to say welcome and it's really strange to be sitting so close to people in this room. but i'm really excited to have you on this commission and i can't wait to get to know and your work. so thank you so much for serving with us and wanting to do this. >> commissioner: thank you. >> president laguana: commissioner dickerson. >> commissioner dickerson: welcome, commissioner carter. i'm so happy that you're here. this is going to be really good. i'm excited because you have a really strong voice in the community and especially in bayview, i believe that it's

going to be an opportunity for you to really give expression to your passions and i've heard and seen and we've shared some time together and i'm excited because i love the passion that you have for your community. it's real. and i have gleaned from you personally in watching you advocate for the small businesses, african american business ownership and you as well being a business owner. her food is good. so when you get a chance, taste her food. but welcome, and i'm excited to partner with you and the rest of this commission together as a team. so welcome. >> commissioner: thank you. >> president laguana: vice president zouzounis. >> vice president zouzounis: yes. i'd just like to echo everybody's congrats. i'm really elated that you're here because we need more folks

who are plugged into community organizations to merchant and business organizations and their community especially, you know, communities where the city is trying to put resources into and maybe not always doing it correctly. so i think it's really prime that you're here. i know you're hustling. i know you've got a lot going on with your business right now. like i've told you before, use this platform as something to elevate the work that you're already doing in community and in your business. >> president laguana: and, commissioner, i will just close by saying how honored we all are to have you here. it's really incredible when somebody that has a job takes time away from their work and their job to do public service for the city and this is a volunteer role and it's even in zoom times, it took up a lot of

time, but now we've got to hustle to get down here and park or ride our bikes or what have you and get up here to the meeting. so i appreciate you making that commitment back to the city to help the city be better and am very grateful that you've joined us and hopefully some day we can fill that other missing seat. we've got one more to go. so, with that, is there any public commentors on the line? >> secretary: there aren't any public commentors on the line, but we have one in person. janet carla and the glenn park merchant's association. if you can -- hey janet, if you can keep your mask on. >> president laguana: you're welcome. please proceed. >> it's okay. i wasn't sure. good morning.

or good afternoon commissioners. i just want to take this opportunity on behalf of the san francisco council of district merchants to welcome commissioner carter to the commission and to express our appreciation for the work of the commission and director tang and carrie burnback. we are deeply appreciative of your advocacy for the small businesses of san francisco and the commercial corridors that we represent and i just wanted to introduce myself to the commission. i have recently been appointed the chair of our legislative committee so i've had the good fortune to be working very closely with director tang and ms. burnback and i really look

forward to productive relationships between our organizations. so thank you very much. >> vice president zouzounis: can i also just say congrats on all the female appointees leading the sfcdma. >> i know. >> secretary: we actually have one caller on the line. >> president laguana: okay. caller, please proceed. >> caller: okay. this is why i called. public comment. i'm ann cervantes and i'm helping to organize unless some of the family businesses that own properties in the city help comply with the a.b.a. -- >> president laguana: ann. i'm so sorry. the public comment has to be on the agenda item. so the agenda item right now is we are welcoming commissioner carter. >> caller: i'm sorry. >> president laguana: if you would like to welcome commissioner carter. >> caller: congratulations,

commissioner carter. i was out of turn. i thought it was at the beginning. my apologies. >> president laguana: no problem. is there any other public commentors? okay. seeing none. public comment is closed. commissioner carter, we're delighted to have you for the fifth time and next item, please. >> secretary: item four, resolution making findings to allow teleconference meetings under california government code section 54953e. this is a discussion and action item. >> president laguana: commissioners, are there any comments or questions on allowing teleconference meetings? is there any public comment on allowing teleconference meetings? >> secretary: there's not. >> president laguana: okay. seeing none, public comment is closed. are there any further questions? commissioner, i move that we make this resolution. is there a second?

>> commissioner: i'll second. >> president laguana: seconded by commissioner dickerson. >> secretary: motion by president laguana seconded by commissioner dickerson. looks like we just had a hand raised, should we advise them to have to go to public comment at the end of the meeting. >> president laguana: i think you should just go ahead and -- >> vice president zouzounis: tell them to go to item six if they want to speak. >> president laguana: yes, when we get there, we should do that. we should take a vote on the motion. >> deputy city attorney john gibner. if the public commenter is speaking to public comment on item four. >> president laguana: i thought i called for public comment and there was none.

was i wrong? >> secretary: no. they might of raised their hand a little late. >> president laguana: if they raised their hand, then by all means. >> secretary: okay. let's unmute our public commenter. >> president laguana: i see. i was a little too hasty. >> caller: thank you. steven cornell from the district book. just to comment on the broadcast. i can hear. everything's quite clear when all the commissioners speak, but when you had the professor speak and the other public commenter, it's very difficult to hear over this and quite annoying just for the future. thank you. >> president laguana: thank you, steven. i struggled to hear the public commenter as well just so you know. but we unfortunately don't have any input into the audio system here.

so a motion's on the table. >> secretary: i'll call the roll. [roll call] motion passes unanimously. >> president laguana: okay. next item, please. >> secretary: item five, approval of draft meeting minutes. this is an action item. >> president laguana: commissioners, are there any comments or questions on the minutes? seeing none. we'll open it up for public comment. is there anyone present for public comment on item number five, approval of draft meeting minutes?

>> secretary: we have no public commentors present and we have none on the line. >> president laguana: great. i'll pause for a second. seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners, in the interest of time, i will make another motion that we approve the draft meeting minutes. >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena: i second. >> president laguana: i feel like jeopardy. >> secretary: moved by president laguana, seconded by commissioner ortiz-cartagena. i'll read the roll. [roll call] motion passes unanimously. >> president laguana: thank you. next item. >> secretary: item six, general public comment. this is a discussion item. it allows members of the public

to comment generally on matters within the small business commission's jurisdiction but not on today's calendar and suggests new agenda items for the commission's future consideration. >> president laguana: thank you. are there any members of the public who would like to make comments on items not on the agenda? so if you called earlier and were making a comment on an item that was not on the agenda, this would be the perfect time to make that comment. >> secretary: yes. we have one caller on the line. >> president laguana: perfect. so let's go ahead and hear from that commenter. caller, please proceed. >> caller: yes. commissioner sharkey, thank you. i just wanted to comment as a small business owner on the aba application and if you have jurisdiction over the grants that are coming that you include the small architects not just ask members because as

a business owner, i can do this stuff, so just to let you know it's to make sure that they extend to small architecture firms in the city. these are on the a.b.a. applications. [ indiscernible ] >> president laguana: okay. thank you. is there any other public commentors on the line? >> secretary: we have no other commentors on the line. >> president laguana: okay. seeing none. public comment is closed. next item, please. >> secretary: item ten, director's report. presentation and discussion item. this is an update and report on the office of small business and the small business assistance center, department programs, policy, and legislative matters, announcements from the mayor and announcements regarding

small business activities. >> director: all right. through the chair, thank you and good evening commissioners. really nice to see you all in person and, again, congratulations to commissioner carter. so excited to have you here. i think that the majority of the work that i have experienced with all of you takes place outside of this room and so i know that you all have to devote so much time in addition to your business to be here. so thank you so much. and, of course, if any of you want to try commissioner carter's food, just walk a couple blocks down the street and you can get a really delicious po'boy. welcome. in terms of today's updates, i just wanted to share a couple of things in terms of legislation and policies we have been tracking. i know that we had talked about the street vendor legislation. as a reminder, this pertains to

the sale of goods, not food, but goods on the street and that legislation has passed and we will be tracking how that program will be working operation alley, being in touch with public works and making sure that the comments you all provided and suggestions for how to manage that program making sure it's friendly to our small business owners as well as culturally and linguistically appropriate. secondly, the family-friendly work place ordinance i know this had been a number of recommendations. only that was recommended by this commission which had to do with providing technical assistance about that ordinance. so, unfortunately, the other amendments were not adopted, by i want to commissioners to let

us know if you're getting feedback from the community. in terms of graffiti abatement, this commission also heard an item about the graffiti abatement ordinance and the fines and fees being reinstated and there were also a number of recommendations that came out of this commission that unfortunately were not taken in the legislation that has not yet passed at the board. however, we are trying to work with on further amendments that may come in the future because we do understand how important it is that we take this opportunity to form the programs so there's less of a burden for small business owners. and then in terms of shared spaces. i just wanted to share that at the end of this month, there will be a presentation about the shared spaces program, an update on that and they will allegation be discussing the

application for the equity grant which has been extended until april. one thing we want to focus on is outreach to seven key neighborhoods. that includes the mission, portala, bayview, tenderloin, soma, and excelsior. and so i just wanted to seek assistance from the commissioners about the equity grant program that's available online right now and then in terms of the rent relief program, just a reminder that the applications are also open for that program for small business owners that have struggling throughout this pandemic in terms of rent payments. as of the end of february, there had already been well over 250 applications and so, we definitely anticipate that oewd will be far exceeding, i mean, the demand is far exceeding the number of grants that will be able to be awarded

for that. and then i think that what is very pertinent and particular to today's presentation from professor sharkey is that on tuesday, there was legislation introduced by supervisor mar and president walton. and this would require the police department and all of the different stations to come up with community policing plans and so they would have to detail and outline how is it that they want to incorporate community input thinking about foot and bike patrol deployment and also require that these community policing plans would be posted, available to the public, and updated each year. so certainly i think it's a great opportunity in light of our interest in public safety issues and the intersection between small businesses and our merchant corridors to be involved either in that legislation or once it's adopted! u.s. to see how that might help improve our community

interactions on that point. i know our president stated at the beginning of commission the passing of commissioner dooley who only left her seat last year. had been a florist and owner of columbine floral company. she had a shop for 25 years. she was the cofounder of north beach business association and led countless efforts through her role there. personally worked quite a bit with her on accessibility issues for facing small businesses. collaborated with her during that time i know she has pretty

much shared the entire time former director dick endrizzi was here. so we shared the information with her. the news of her passing today was very sad to hear. so i just wanted to acknowledge that and also, of course, give commissioners an opportunity to speak about that as well. so with that, i conclude my director's report. >> president laguana: thank you, director. >> vice president zouzounis: i'll say something. >> president laguana: sure. vice president zouzounis. >> vice president zouzounis: thank you. yeah. commissioner dooley was a fire cracker. she said it straight and i think set a strong precedent for me as a board appointee. i looked up to her a lot. [please stand by]

>> commissioner laguana: when she wasn't on the peskin.

i believe she lived she next door to him, and worked with his office over the years to make a lot of changes. she was very important to the small business community. she was the embodiment of a small business commissioner of having this small flower shop of which she exerted all of this influence in how the commission moved forward, and she was very thoughtful and deliberate, and i think a, really, a role model about how we can advocate, how we can speak up, and how we don't have

to be shy when we have an opinion. so she really, i think, she showed me, and i think she showed many of you. i might have a cocktail, maybe i'll have two, maybe i'll have one for agent dooley, in honor of her passing. just one little point. she broke her leg, and i said kathleen, what happened? how did you break your leg?

and she said, well, this damned uber driver came up and said something, and i went to tell him how i felt, and i stepped off the curb, and i fell. commissioner dooley, thank you for everything you've given this commission and everything you've given this city. is there any -- anybody on the line for public comment? >> clerk: there is not. >> commissioner laguana: seeing none, next comment is closed. >> clerk: commissioner discussion and new business. this is a discussion item. this allows the president, vice president, and commissioners to

report on recent small business activities, make announcements that are of interest to the small business community, and make inquiries of staff. allows commissioners to introduce new agenda item for future condition by the commission. >> commissioner laguana: commissioners, are there any items that you would like to report out? commissioner ortiz-cartagena? >> commissioner ortiz-cartagena: i heard about commissioner dooley earlier today, and i just wanted to report that we lost another member of the community, [indiscernible] rest in peace,

mitch. >> commissioner laguana: commissioner huie? >> commissioner huie: this is such a sad meeting. >> commissioner laguana: this is a sad meeting and it is a happy meeting because we have a new commissioner. >> commissioner huie: well, i'd like to say that she liked me from the beginning. [laughter] >> commissioner laguana: i queued that up for you from the beginning. >> commissioner huie: well, i'll just share this with you this week. i was fortunate enough to go on some merchant walks with the

sfcduma, but i rarely, i guess, get the opportunity to walk around and spend time in a community for a couple of hours. i ended up spending four hours there, which was quite sometime, and i really encourage people to try it in the city. supervisor preston and his aid, melissa, came to that one, as well as one in the sunset, so i basically spent my week in different neighborhoods, so that's great. you know, it makes me great to

be a part of a neighborhood -- part of a couple neighborhoods, not a few, and i'm glad that san francisco is going to be part of a community, and i think the presentation today speaks to the need of that. the other piece that i was going to share was that are a lot of initiatives to activate spaces, and i'm really excited to see things happening in terms of art walks and cultural experiences and things like that coming back. the other piece that i was going to talk about was also just that the survey is coming along. we'll have to kind of talk more about that in the coming weeks, but we're getting the material

together. dr. chaudhary is focusing on some of the things like how to grow public safety and also equity as a main, you know, line through the survey this time, and i think an interesting piece will be that she wants to collect more qualitative data in the form of interviews, like maybe zoom interviews, so i think that would be maybe a great time for us to reflect on what we want reflected in those and captured, and that will be kind of nice for our small business community. >> commissioner laguana: when you're ready to have that discussion, we should have that scheduled as an agenda item, and we can talk about that, so

just let us know. >> commissioner huie: okay. that would be great. specifically on the small business grants, i didn't write down the day, but in chinatown, it'll probably be in cantonese at victory hall, so probably try to get as many people there to learn about it, and i think the presenters will believe able to just, in general, be a resource for many of the small business owners. these were the key things that i've been up to, but yeah. feels very inappropriate to talk. >> commissioner laguana: yeah, no. you know, life goes on. we've got to keep moving, and we've got to keep the ball going. commissioner dooley, there's no doubt in my mind, would not

want us to do otherwise. you know, i was hanging out with former commissioner yekutiel today, and your list reminded me of his list. i felt like he was reading off a series of calendar entries, and i'm, like, my god. in that series of time, i managed to walk my dog, and you're getting all of that done. commissioner carter?

>> commissioner carter: i think this is great, especially in correlation with the presentation, and how small business and -- impacts violence in a lot of these communities where we come from. >> commissioner laguana: i'd be honored to attend, as i'm sure a lot of the commissioners would be, as well. if you would provide that information to director tang, she'll get it out to the rest of us. >> commissioner carter: i sure will. >> commissioner laguana: commissioner huie again? >> commissioner huie: it's me again. when you mentioned last week, i forgot a couple of things i did. one was the seed network from soma filipinas, they just

finished their decisions on their grants that they were able to offer, i think, two businesses, and i don't have those names with me right now, but i was able to read -- i was honored to read many of the grand applications, and i just wanted -- many of the grant applications, and i just wanted to acknowledge them and how wonderful they've been to help grow their community and support their small businesses.

>> this was the first, first round, i believe, and they had all kind of different people reading the grants and things like that, too. so hopefully, they'll be able to do it again because they seem to have it well run. the other thing that i got to do was also tour the tenderloin linkage center, and that was through my work on rams, and i would recommend that to anybody -- you can't just go and, like, tour, i suppose, but it's great to see what the city is doing in their emergency efforts to make sure that people have food and a place to shower and to really get them hooked up with community resources and medical care, as well, so, so many things happening there. i think that most recently,

they just put in, like, a phone charger because so many people recognized that. in terms of community input, they're looking for that because it will need to happen in a more community way, and i think having some community input for what it needs to look like downtown will shape it from that insight. it was interesting seeing it from the top down, like, from the top of the building looking down into the patio because then you can see what the landscape of civic center will and could look like. so if anybody is interested, let me know, and i will connect you to people to get a nice tour of that. >> commissioner laguana: you know, i'm so thrilled that we have professor sharkey here

today because it underlines what we do, and i'm just listening to what you guys are talking about, and i'm thinking about how constructive and how helpful it is to our city as a whole, and i think that that presentation is going to be a small business for us. it's going to be an empiriccal scientific backing, and it's appropriate that it happened the first day back here with, like, a brand-new commissioner. i just feel that it's getting things off to a good start,

setting this forward for the first phase of the commission. one thing that i did want to mention, i forgot, i spoke with former director dick-endrizzi. she's in england right now, so she's not able to call in, but she wanted to express her condolences over commissioner dooley's passing. lastly, i have been going out and around, and it's exciting to see the city come back around.

i went out on saturday night to the orbit -- the outer orbit room, and it's the perfect place to get your pinball and hawaiian food. they have a beautiful parklet with colored strip lighting, so i was talking with the owner, christian, and he's going to have to tear down to comply with the incoming regulations, but he's committed to doing that. and we talked about all of the design decisions that i has to make, both to facilitate, you

know, having a viable parklet. the other people that were there weren't as interested as i was, but i think the parklet program is going to be a recurring issue for this commission for many years to come as we sit down and figure out how to balance our use of streets and our use of commerce and our use of land. but in my mind, at least, although professor sharkey said the data isn't there yet, i think they're huge for giving a sense of community and creating a sense of community.

they're eyes on the street, more lights, more traffic, more joy, and i think it's just terrific for the city for how we move forward the next couple of years. vice president zouzounis? >> vice president zouzounis: thank you. i actually had a follow-up question that, director, maybe you might be able to answer. i know the park program is going to be extending the program geographically. i know that s.f. shines is also reopening geographically. is s.f. shines planning on

doing that soon? >> director tang: through the chair, s.f. shines will be doing that soon through the neighborhood equity team. they are extending the deadlines until the end of april, but i just mentioned there are seven key neighborhoods where planning would like to see more focus outreach. >> vice president zouzounis: right, right. i know we made recommendations for other city areas disproportionately impacted by measures, so i'm happy to follow up if that conversation with s.f. shines is going to be had with our office. thanks. >> commissioner laguana:

thanks. are there any other comments? are there any other commenters on the line for commissioners questions, comments, or new business? >> clerk: there are no commenters. >> commissioner laguana: seeing none, public comment is closed. >> clerk: item 9, adjournment. sfgovtv, please show the small business slide. >> commissioner laguana: we will end with the slide that the small business commission is the start and end place and is the best place to get answers about starting small businesses in san francisco. if you need answers, continue to reach out to the office of small business, and i will make a motion to adjourn. >> clerk: motion to adjourn --

>> commissioner laguana: sorry? >> i was going to announce, we have a staffer. are we allowed to announce our legacy business staffer? i mean, they're not here, but... >> commissioner laguana: so -- now i'm blanking whether we do roll call before the motion or -- since we have the city attorney. >> mr. givner: deputy city attorney jon givner. you don't need a roll call to call for a motion, but if you'd like, you can take the vote.

>> commissioner laguana: i won't call for a vote, but i would adjourn in memory of community leader mitch salazar and former commissioner kathleen dooley.