>> we would need to adopt this change or pause it for now. >> are we agreeing to adopt that? >> for the purpose of the demographics, i am fine like that. >> are you able to compare the current district one and the population changes? >> i believe so. >> thank you. >> can you please clarify what demographic you would like to look at? there's race and ethnicity for total population. >> all three.

>> for citizen voting age population for district one. >> correct. >> thank you. a citizen voting age population as it is currently drawn, i will zoom in just so it is clear. it is currently drawn in this version of the task force that we are looking at right now for district one. the citizen voting age population is 3.11%. the asian citizen voting age population is 37.94%. indigenous voting population is your point for six% and white citizen voting population is 15.6%. for a total population, the latino population is 9.18%.

the black population is to .12%. the asian population is 34.97%. indigenous population is 0.94% and white total population is 46.16%. let me see if i can pull that up with the current district. the current district lines are here on the map. let's see. for this, i just have citizen voting age population loaded into the layer that is in the map.

i can also select all of that area that is currently in the map to show the total race and ethnicity right total population as well. the% latino citizen voting age population, and this is the most recent data on the 2011 or 2012 districts. it is the latino citizen voting -- voting age population is 7.2%. the lack citizen age population is frequent one%. the asian citizen voting age population is 42.62% and the white citizen voting age population is 45.59%. would you also like to know the total population by race -- race and ethnicity? >> for me, i think this is sufficient information.

>> thank you. >> yeah, looking at the changes in the new district, the asian population goes from 42.62% currently to 37.94%. where the white population goes from 45% to 50.6%, i am concerned about that given that this is a district that has consistently elected an asian supervisor. it is something that i am concerned about. >> what is your concern? >> that we are lowering the asian population and increasing the white population. >> martin vice chair.

>>. >> madam vice chair. >> where are we,mrs. pierce, are you next ? >> i can certainly be next. is there anyway ms. clark ... these are the concerns that were raised with this district and these changes. is there any way that you can compare the income and or network demographic changes with these changes. >> thank you so muchfor that question .currently any income information is not loaded into the mac and income information is collected by the

american communitysurvey . that is released not on the census block level, it's wrinkle release on census block which is a larger unit of analysis so there is not any way for us to essentially like merge that data to the census block level to be given to provide thatinformation accurately . >> thank you verymuch. mister cooper . >> thank you, i will say that this map includes the heat interested district and obviously with haight being where it is is notcontiguous with 7.the moment . just based on what i can draw looking at the map it looks like that part of the haight

that is in district 1 is 77 percent white and 12 percent asian sojust to color the conversation, that aspect of being in their , in addition separate from the changes i think that may also color the conversation aboutthe difference between the current district 1 and thisdistrict 1 . >> member lee . >> thank you madam vice chair and inaddition to member cooper's remarks , i pulled up to 1976 map of district 1. which elected the first chinese-american supervisor. it includes sequence and north of lake street andpresidio terrace . so harkening back to the comments yesterday, if that is

the concern, i wouldsay history has shown is misplaced . >> thank you very much, member ho. >> thank you member lee, that's a nice tidbit of historyand thank you member cooper for bringing that up . i remember the districts and less he asked. there are less asians and more whites therethat could be the reason for these changes in demographics and that's something we can work on because it's also notcontiguous . to district one currently so we can still play around with it . i like to say as an asian american person myself who is also concerned and encouraging of more elected leaders being asianamerican in this country ,

in order for any of your concerns to be fully thought through we would actually need to drill down as to who voted for whom in which action and whether they were white or asianvoting for an asian supervisor . so before we jump the gun and talk about whether changing demographics like a few percentage points impacts a few future election based on the felicity of afuture election , you definitely need much more information thanlike a simple readout . >> mister chasel lee. >> to supplement what i said, since 2008 if i remember correctly, all the major candidates indistrict 1 were asian . so it doesn't seem like there is a paucity of candidates in

the district. now, i think it bears also saying that from 2000 and 2008, the elected supervisor was knocked asian. so to address i would say i think i need a course, the concern of representationis always important . but i will also submit that community as articulated in the comments here and the documents on all sides put precedence over candidates. i don't have a line in front of me but it is did not fall into relationship withincumbents and political candidates . something that we must always keep in mind.

and by the way in 1976 if i remember correctly the richmond was far less asian thanit is right now . >> thank you mister lee. madam pierce.>> as a black person, i want to say that your arguments i find specious because they are the exact same arguments used the other way for why we broke up the tl and soma. literally. so is that the case or is that not the case? i'm confused here on how we are deciding where we are going. that's my comment. >> member lee. >> thank you for your comments. i do want to an them.i think it is very important that our

task force is transparent and more importantlyconsistent with our reasoning and why we do things . you know, in my early rationale i may have jumped the gun using population, making that connection between population and candidates so apologies for that but one of our charges here is to preserve the voting power of minorities and in the richmond, the asian population is a minority and we are diluting that voting powerby making it whiter . >> member castillon. [inaudible] >> an, yeah. i don't know what sort of resolution will come to this at this point and we're still on a

draft map of a draft map . so i don't know if this will be the day that you have to this all out or not. i do think personally my thoughts on this is i'm approaching this whole process from the standpoint of i think what makes sense for the communities and will make sense for people trying to access services and i think having a boundary running right down lake street which is a slow street and it's a community that sees themselves as one community on both sides of the street and similarly with seacrest being separated so far across presidio and obviously the presidio is not avast wasteland . there are people i don't think we've heard from all this entire time, there's about 3000 people in presidio.but it's still definitely a mental separation and i think for folks who live in the seacrest and live in that area they align and associate with the communities that are closest to

them. i don't know if we're going to ask this out fully today or not but that is where i land. similarly to how i believe that satterwhite and soma have shown and demonstrated their coalition with eachother i think similarly with richmond . >> mister castillon. >> thank you vice chair. i do want to clarify some of the things around at least where i voted for 3b yesterday and have nothing to do with the chairs comments. for me it was really about keeping, recognized neighborhoods wholeand really what i saw was 3b was the only direction forward that we could keep our eastern neighborhoods whole . just want to make that perfectly clear. >> member ho. >> i want to thank member

cooper foryour comments, i fully agree . i understand very much wanting to preserve minority in a district. especially asian minorities in every district but i would also ask if you would agree that 35 percent is a minority because i don'tthink it is . >> thank you for that.i think that's a very good point and i think that when you have multiple minorities that are not that far off that you really are outside minority. can we bring up the math and can we see district 2? i'm a little concerned about district 2 . so we went from 3.1.4. even while we gave away stuff.

i think district 2 is particularly difficult because you impacts so many other area . and i want to give a shout out to the russian hill neighbor cause they have been very gracious and they have said very clearly that they worked very well with district 2 and that they were willing to share russian hill. so if we get into trouble, we might want to look over there if we need to. i'm just concerned that we have some problems down here. >> down where man? >> as you come down here. i can't even see what street wear on. >> can you zoom in?>> is this

the area? >> you are just fine. i'm just very sensitive to maps that looks like they are exact. it's not a problem but the thing we run against is that we want to keep the japanese community in tact and the japanese community sits right at the top there so i just want everyone to realize we went around that consciously. it wasn't like done for any otherreason than to keep the japanese community hole and i wanted to point that out . thank you. member castillon. >> thank you vicechair. i agree district 2 still needs some work . i think that we are ... i feel

at least we are at a bit ofa cent standstill on what we can iterate for district 1 and two at least now . in future meetings maybe we should address some other stuf . i want to bring this back to district 5 because district 5 is below are accepted populationthreshold . i don't have personal preferences for where we would explore next to bring in population to district 5. >> before you do that can i ask a question, where are we with district 6. >> district 6 is right at zero percent. >> i can see that but are we satisfied right now with district 6. we're not. >> it depends on district 5. >> i just wanted to do a check in on that.go to district 5 then. >> i don't want to necessarily handle the district 8 situation on lower haight right now so we

want to trim down five again, that would be the next step would be to take lower haight intodistrict 8 . we have to make some major changes. to make that work. i unfortunately do not right now and able to do this from the top of my head but it would be good to just do another check seeing what 5th to 7th market to the freeway looks like once again. >> one momentagain, i think it is in the 9000 range . >> that would put it over six orsomething . six under.

by the way, i'm impressed with how fast you're able to do this so thank you for that. >> i've had a little practice this is from market , fifth to the 80s and seven. that is8834 people . district 5 would be a present deviation of 5.05 percent and six would be -11.11 percent. >> mister cooper. >> will let that sit there for now i'll let the othermembers discuss their thoughts . >> member keeps . >> that still leaves us only halfway there.and i really want to just go ahead and screw the pooch and see how bad the

numbers are when we make this area completely whole. so ms. clark if you can move that over to 10th street please. from 7th to 10th. reverse. but perfect. >> i'm using the wrong tool here for what i was thinking. pardon me. perfect. >> this highlighted area which is frommarket , fifth following 80 to bryant and then north on

10th back to market. that is 18,577 people. moving this area entirely in district 5 would make district 517.3 percent overpopulation and district 6 would become -23.36percent under population . >> thank you. >> i don't think we're keeping this but i will defer to the member. thank you so much. mister castillon. >> thank you vice chair and thank youmember pierce . i think it's important that we actually explore how dense these areas are and i think of the interesting things about this density is you do end up with a lot of diversity of opinions around where committees are.

we've heard people from soma who say they love the tenderloin and we've heard the blue who say they like the rest of south of market. i do think it's just one of the challenges that we face when there are just conflicting pieces of where folks see their allegiances. >> thank you, mister cooper. >> thank you, i do think that this is definitely a hopeful exercise for sure. the bigger problem looking at the numbers in district 6 is even more off than district 5 isright now . and it started getting a little creative with that but i'm so used to you're able to figure outeverything . i'm sort of willing to at least

for this kind of route waved the white flag and say that i don't know if we'd be able to put the western edition tenderloin and in a significant enough part of soma to matter into one district. that's just where i stand. let's just go back to that last safe point to borrow the videogame reference and go from there. >> member pierce. >> so this is actually my hill to die on is that i'm not going to separate soma and to which is why i continue to havethis exercise . i don't know and strictly d3 or b6 are the only places to move this area that will not like i

said blow up theentire map . and that's all i wanted to do today is to really demonstrate that. thank you guys all for your patienceand understanding in this . >> it was good to see. >> mister castillon. >> we do still have to resolve district 5 because it's part of the accepted population threshold but i'm wondering if maybe we could go back to member pierce, you originally had an idea. if you could restate the boundaries you were looking at maybe we'd have more roomto explore that now that we've added dogpatch to district 6 . >> so for the density of population for the urban, indian or indigenous folks in their cultural district is actually that line up to rose

on the other side of the boat. this is the population density piece. it does have effects on to the eighth and neither nine or eight can really absorb right now. we did hear from several people in the heat asked barry that they most closely aligned with western edition and japan town which if we are going to start adding into d5 some of the changes we've made, let's to the best of our ability locked in the richmond for now, but that one portion that really excuse the demographics, let's

continue to have that open for possibly going back into d5 and then the offspring of somebody who grew up in the film world there's a lot more real estate to add in their protecting the interests of d 2 which is always going to need to add population. so those are my suggestions but i have a feeling all of those suggestions need to be explored next week because their extensive. i don't know how everybody els feels we can do it now . >> mister cooper. >> that's a good point. i think we do need to start trying to figure out what our next steps will be. i think we've made a lot of progress on this one with this particular map and something similar to thiswould be something we'd want to talk

about . and i think you're right that if we want to just at this point keep soma hole and start with district 5 moving west that that makes a lot ofsense . i do think and i do want us ... i mentioned this before but i think we should bring back more than those two maps next time, give people a lot of time and peoplewill have this time at least three or four days to look at it , not just a day or so that we had this time. and i do really think that this map should be a map that separates the tenderloin and soma and giving a chance to reiterate and draw, there's a map that didn't do that. i do think that one of the maps we bring back should be a map that to the best of our ability brings central soma together

and adjusts ... >> i think we're talking about directions for q2 .>> i can table that. >> let's figureout where we are and go into that phase . thank you mister cooper. member castillon. >> sorry to keep coming back to whatappears to be my hobbyhorse ,keeping districts within the population limit . can we go back todistrict 5 ? so it seems like we're having difficulties on thesouth market here .i think areas that we can explore because we took that chunk of cathedral hill actually that was in district 5 before we added it in district 2. maybe we have that back into district 5 back up to geary i

believe it is. >> one moment please. >> i believe there's one more census block north of geary that was in district 5 as well . >> the hospital. >> maybe someone was there so there might be population. >> to the left of it, there is. >> maybe if we just put it up the house. >> those commitments change? i'll go out to the bigger picture of you do it and i will zoom out so the task force and

members of the public can see the totality of the maps. and all of the districts are balanced plus or -5percent . >> thank you. >> mister chasel lee. >> i'm not sure touching district 6 again because i did mention parks. okay. >> my sense is we're going to put that into the instructions or the maps coming back. >> we can do that now i feel like . >> i'm okay with that. >> let's do it now. >> we can certainlydo it now .

we have room because i was going to say, yeah. if we start playing around with member cooper's suggestion of where to place tl soma, that will skew that. >> let's do this and from there we will go to 2, 2 instruction . >> member castillon lives there. >> i believe the testimony was second, yes. >> this area that's highlighted is down to sacramento and its 80 people in total.district 3 would be -1.36 percentdeviation but district 6 would be -.1 percent deviation .

>> i think we haveconsensus on that .>> now we're going to move to when you're ready, madame clark, let us know and we can start giving instructions on thechanges we'd like to move forward on new maps . >> anytime. >> member cooper. >> i do want to bring up we definitely should have some maps for at least a draft map based on what we're looking at right now. if what we're looking at,

>> you got to start numbering >> i'm not planning on talking about these maps . >> but for what you want to start from. >> i don't want to start with this.i was leading into it was a compliment sandwich on this map. it's definitely better than it wasbefore . i think it's we should have a map that does reunite the tenderloin and central soma. i want to hear more about what issues people had with ... i don't want to suggest bring back 3a as it was again. people have well-placed issues with 3a. i know we don't have it in front of us but i want member castillon and some of the other folks to talk about what parts of 3b spoke to them outside of

the tenderloin soma situation and create a map that brings tenderloin and soma together and is something thatcan just be a little bit more amenable to other folks . >> mister castillon. >> thank you vice chair and member cooper. for me the biggest thing was we were continuing to divide neighborhoods pretty extensively and we had very little room for flexibility on the east side. district 3, district six and district can world well above. they were very close to that five percent threshold. it was becoming very difficult for us to actually keep these east side neighborhoods whole while keeping tenderloin in district 6. and 3b addressed

that issue. i do think there are a lot of issues with 3b and i'm sensitive to removing it from soma. it's worth us continuing to explore having central soma. >> i dobelieve there is a strong connection between the two areas . but ultimately there's something that was not drawn. we didn't really talk a lot about in three a that was a little bit concerning to me around where some of the lines even were within soma. some of the lines were going along the street dividing two different senior citizen filipino community buildings literally across the street from each other. and what was becoming very clear to me was that as we

continue to iterate over there we are going to be running into additional issues because that south of market configuration was incredibly, incredibly difficult to dealwith . the only thing that seemed to solve that issue was in our earlier maps but those earlier maps had mission bay within district 10 which reallymade no sense to me . it really made no sense to hav mission bay with sunnydale . >> member pierce. >> quite honestly, the only really good thing about ... i do agree with you member castillon about the fact that

3a left very little wiggle room in theareas that we knew we were going to have to carve up anyway . the area that really was addressed in 3b for me was district three and they kind of did itbeautifully . other than that, i've gotten feedback from almost every district save for maybe 1 and 4 abouthow much they hated 3b . i'm very happy with how we're goingright now . because it took that really difficult map and we put some stuff in. i think we carved up a lot of neighborhoods need to make whole and what we've accomplished in terms of putting places together that really wanted to be together and actually making some other

communities feel whole is very helpful and it will give us a very good foundation for coming back next week and we have way more wiggle room than we did either in 3a tran right now so i'm proud of what we've done. i still hate this current map but i'm proud of what we've done because it allows for a lot more room for us to actually roll our sleeves up. and we've gone through the process so now we know what this process is going to look like.excellent point. member chasel lee. >> thank you madame vice chair. i appreciate definitely what member pierce said. we definitely disagree yesterday but today's work has demonstrated the areas that we do agree on or could work together with.

as for the fact of the instructions, i want to bring up the haight-ashbury. it belongs to a lot ofplaces. the one is not one of them. let's be honest . and i think we have consensus on where it does not belong first it has to go somewhere so i want to bring that up and have us discuss where the heck should the haight-ashbury go. i don't have thoughts, i just want to bring that back to the forefront . >> thank you for that, member chasel lee. >> obviously i've been very quiet theentire meeting and i want to be clear . i've been quiet not because i didn't understandwhat you were doing .

i think about doing this thoughtexercise . i want to emphasize that to me that's what this is. this is a thought exercise and this is what all of us individually howshould have been doing since september 7 . but before that, i want to say that go back to the september 17 meeting, when we started this process we asked for and received a lot ofpublic input . and this wasn't just arbitrary public input, it was public input informed by the guidance that we did. we shared a table from the department of elections with the current district population with their respective deviations and almost every single meeting. we told the public about the criteria including compliance

to thevoting rights act, preservation of committees of interest . we all know that but i think it's important to make sure people are on the same page or are listening to this. for me the challenge is this. given the clear and explicit expectations set out along the public input that we've received i'm not surprised that the public is surprised by last night decision. and i want to emphasize this because not onlydid it break apart recognized neighborhoods , broke apart the cultural district. or a community benefit district in the filipino central city courts. meaningful places. we ended up moving also 37,000 people out of the district that they had absolutely no reason to expectto be moved . that was where we were heading, we should have prepared people

across the city for that possibility. and again we also moved out 34,000 individuals out of a district really going against a preponderant opinion for months.so that's 71,000 people. tween 2 districts which is more than the total number of people that we expected to read district at the start of this process that's spread out over 11 districts so i want you to really truly comprehend these numbers. we went from 69,000 spread across 11 districts to now displacing71,000 over two districts .

now, that's perfectly fine. it is within our purview to make that sort of change but i really do think we should set the goalposts in a very important way last night and before i give suggestions and directions i want to be informed. literally we're talking about 24 hours, less than that since we told people this is it. this is where we are moving in the general direction that we're moving to. it's going to take a long time for this to be meaningfully interpreted and permeating the communities that have been impacted and i say that not to kind of reiterate what my previous reality check that i've given to residents in district 6 and i'll repeat it for bait and from what i said

yesterday. under no circumstance may we approve any district with less than 75,568 people or more than 83,522people . any new district six that removes all the current d6 population moving north of market street is too slow to meet our minimum population criteria and summarily even if we take a reduced area, market and hold, gary and mason which appears to be the consensus, we apparently have received and i can give the look at it, it's still too small to meet our population criteria. so again this very simply means that a new district six must include populations living on both sides of marketstreet . unless we want to continue with

this direction and begin adding people to a new d6 that is outside the current d6 and that's where were at now. but that puts us in a bind of having to basically restart the process of gaining public input. i highlighted yesterday the reason why we don't have poise for a lot of 3b was because people weren't expecting . had no reason to expect it. they work on the border plans of districts. why would they participate in this process if theredeep in the heart of d5 . and now all of a sudden they're being told 2 weeks, three weeks out. that actually it could be in this process. i feel that we don't even need to talk about the voting rights

act and the memoalthough it is relevant . and i think some of the conversation we had earlier, i encourage folks to read some of thelanguage about that . it's very explicit, right? and i think we are in my opinion we are very close to changing some of the discussions by the routes that we're taking and we reemphasize this question of compliance. the city attorney gave us a clear explanation and there are recent elections where at least two of the jingles get triggered. who knows, two or three years time somebody is going to make the argument that this wasn't done properly. i'm going to wait in here over the next week but to me, all we

have done is burned through valuable time and we dismissed, ignored public comment and what's frustrating to me is the public comment that we have dismissed , we have dismissed public comment from truly the mostvulnerable populations in san francisco . wespent a long time , important time discussing things like seacliff but i mean, how much time did we discuss around the transgendercultural district ? how much time did we end up discussing the filipino community? so i think we need to check our priorities. i really do think so and we just need to add additional needs and be ready to be prepared fora lot of people to be upset .

>> we never thought you didn't understand . it never occurred to us. i do want to respectfully respect a couple of things. we have been saying that district 6 was 30 percent and the districts that were contiguous to it were going to change . it certainly isn't that we haven't made an attempt to talk to them. and i think the task force has done an amazing job of trying to understand what's the problem. this is an incredibly difficult situationwe are in . we've said over and over again that people are not going to like it. i don't know what magic wand, i don't enjoy questions around supervisors, i don't know where any supervisor livesexcept my

own . except when the public said something about the supervisors residence. and so i think we have worked really hard not to cross those lines and to respect the public and respect those conversations. so respectfully i will push back on that and if we're going to add more meetings the public needs to catch up so if we're doing mass every couple of days we don't have time to absorb the maps. we have a whole week here that people can study and come back to us and saturday and give us their feedback and then we have to put on rollerskates and go because we're going to be adding meetings but the problem is we can't add very many between now and then so are going to have to really think hard, work hard and cooperate and try to move forward.

so i thank you for your comments. mister cooper. >> thank you member hernandez gil. it's funny you mentioned we should have been making our own maps. the second we got the mapping tool i started playing around with the mapping tool and the first map i made i labeled also medically, albemarle and it was a map that the tenderloin in district 5 because this was december, maybe early january that this came out and i said this could be interesting. it's something i've heard rumblings about and something when i was first appointed i made a map that hit the numbers and i said that's interesting, we will see where this goes that was before we heard any of the public comment .

that's before we heard about the importance of keeping the southern part of the d10 which was something i had to change in order to make that work and it was before we heard about all thecommentary we heard from the folks in south of market about keeping those communities together . it was before we heard anything . it was a sketch and it was so funny because iwasn't even thinking about 3b until we got well into the meeting . i was going through my maps and how to wipe the dust off, there'spart of it that doesn't even work .but it's telling because it's a map that was made by me without any public input. it was a map that was just an idea i had before hearing from the public and i completely forgot about it in the dustbin because i should have. what we heard from the community was strong and was powerful voice. you talk a lot about how as a

planner you learn a lot about how underprivileged and underserved communities have really strong. there's a lot of issues with trust in government. there's issues in terms of time and it's hard to activate folks who are ethnic minorities, who are underprivileged into these sorts of processes and yet from the tenderloin and from central soma we heard time and time again from the very beginning, from those meetings where we didn't doanything in september october .we heard this time and again and when i hear voices that are not usually the types of voices that can alter these processes i think that's an important aspect to bring in and i do think that when we bring it tothe present day i'm thinking of the instructions we gave you two . or 3a and 3b we gave one set of

instructions that centered the tenderloin, mission bay and south beach but implicit in that was the central soma connection because that's in the way and we havesome sections that centered other neighborhoods and other parts of the city . and i think that's what happens when you don't center those sorts of voices. you end up making these solutions that aren't in conversation with those voices and it really does feel like by goingtowards 3b and sending us down this path as member hernandez put it , we're pairing this under the trust that we have built up with the public between whatever trust we may have had over this time and i also think this is something that really is doing a service to the parts of the city and community that needs the city the most. the folks who have a lot of resources, obviously everybody

needs a certain level of government service.everybody needs something but the folks the mostunderprivileged are the ones most in need of having a solid voice in city hall . so for me i think the idea of hearing from those voices which was given everything with covid and outreach and the general tactics is incredible and a miracle within itself and something that it's a huge shout out to the folks in these communities and the tenderloin and soma that were able to do that but i think we're doing a disservice when we don't move the conversationbecause i think that's important and how we move forward . i definitely understand member hernandez gil taking a sideline during the lastconversation . for me it was interesting and i

don't want to sabotage things but i do want whatever maps we look we to be as good as they can possibly be within the constraints we've given them but i agree that i think we definitely need to take a look at a map that brings those communities back together and i think for the sake of simplicity in terms of what instruction i'd like for that map it would be just something that brings thetenderloin with soma , everything west of second street and everything north of the freeways, north of both central freeway and the ied freeway. and incorporating whatever relevant a lot of the minor changes we discussed today. that would be myinstructions for at least one of the maps we bring back . i'll stop there, thank you

member pierce, thank you mister cooper 's thank you very much member cooper and thank you so much member hernandez gil. i really want to emphasize that to member hernandez gil! we lost a lot ofpeople in this process . however, to my point as i just stated, i took this as an exercise to demonstrate difficulties that we are going to have and i do feel like today was a success. number two as member cooper stated, that is my hill to die on. i need to see those two communities forged into one

community because as they have stated they are one community. that does mean my efforts at giving those parcels of dogpatch will probably come right back off the table and we're going to be starting on almost from scratch next week on the eastern side of the cit . i think the western side of the city is looking very clean rightnow . the central part of the city is crazy. we've carved up an awful lot o stuff . we're going to have a whole bunch of people who are happy with this but we're also going to have a lot of people who are really frustratedand that's the job . they're all here for the job but i want to stress what member cooper said about really bringing back into the fold those people in our city that are most vulnerable and i also want to give shots out to members chasel lee and lily ho

because the level of participation we have gotten from monolingual chinese speakers has been incredible and that, too is aparticularly vulnerable population . so to both that community and the tenderloin central western soma communities i just want to let you guys know that you guys are in places that are very dense and we can keep you guys together as the community and a voting block but we cannot do everything. we can't createa new district . we can't wave a magic wand and disappear 5000 door 18,000 people as we saw just with the southern part ofthat district .

and we really need for people to come back to us and let us know what they are willing to compromise or we really need people to understand that we did the best we could if you're not giving us actual lines, if you'renot giving us actual boundaries , if you are relying on others to define what you're doing. we're stuck and i mean, we really need to prepare you guys for those things that we're probably going to have to do or not have to doand i'm very big on that . let's come to the table now, but you guys understand what these crazy numbers look like and really weigh in hard on if we can't give you what you wan

, what are you willing to settle on because for us going forward, everything is a settle in. it's the best that we can do and we need you guys to come in as partners with us and to member hernandez gil!, we've got a lot of trust making up for to do but honestly can't do that without youguys showing up andhelping us . those are my words . >> thank you member pierce, memberjeremy lee . >> iq. i first want to thank member hernandez gil, member pierce and member cooper fortheir comments . i especially want to uplift member cooper's comments about centering the voices of the most marginalized . and i think it's really important that we do that because we have to look at options. when you are a person living in

the tenderloin, you don't have a lot of options. you are there because you have to be there is that the only place you can afford . if we break up or do anything to harm other communities, they might have achance because they have more options .when we look at marginalized communities, they have very few options. for example i spent the last five years working in chinatow . my job allows me to see the rent of all our buildings. we have residents paying two, $300 a month for a shoebox. if they get addicted they have no options. they have nowhere to go and i think it's important that we center that because we are talking about people's lives.

i mean, just the entire process for me personally has been very difficult seeing us essentially cut up neighborhoods like a videogame. neighborhoods that i've walked, neighborhoods and communities i've spent time working with and seeing the relationship thatthey have built over time . like, the city doesn't just give people things. everything that every community has is because they have fought for. they have fought tooth and nail to get the resources that they deserve. member pierce knows that well with the southeast and it's been veryneglected . member hernandez, i just find it very hard to tear apart these bonds.

to tear apart the progress that has been made and essentially to force these communities with few options to then start from scratch and rebuild those relationships with other communities . so with that, i would be very much supportive of member cooper's suggestion and having a back that keeps thetenderloin central soma together . >> thank you very much member jeremylee . >> i just want to make one addition, additional comment. that really is that as somebody who has lived in the town and has been ranked on hill there is a lot of commonalitybetween these districts . what i have heard time and time again is a zero-sum strategy that both sides are pitting. >>. [please stand by]

we saw that in district 11 and we saw that in district 3. we're going to get a mixed bag because the city is so big. i want to remind ourselves that although the process is so difficult and long, we could have done community outreach better. more communities could have been reached. we didn't hear from specific voices that we're hoping to. at the same time, this is still the most democratic redistricting process the city has seen. and that has never been done

before we're in a pandemic but i think that there's still a lot for us to be happy with and hopefully 10 years later when this happens again that they can japantown and western addition and have those communities stick up for each other and the shared histories are so heartwarming. they're stories i'll never forget. so i just wanted to bring some light to some of the work and some of the exercises that we've done and recognize some of the communities that have been so genuinely engaged and clearly working with each other

and but certainly in district 3 and district 11, they showed up together united and i'm so proud of them for doing that. >> thank you, member ho. member hernandez gil. >> i just wanted to clarify. i'm fully aware and agree there are many examples throughout the city. i'm just talking specifically about the two big blocks that have developed in what is now district 6. >> thanks for clarifying that. and i think your comment about solutions is really well placed. i have had one or two phone calls, not a lot about people just wanting to share what their thoughts are. i've had a couple of calls from people who say i really

understand how hard this is. here's what we want to do, but we have done a lot and we are willing to continue to do this and when i explained to them the implication of let's say moving something to their area and keeping their area and what will happen to other areas, they're very kind and they're more understanding so i think we've told everybody that this is going to be happy and you're well taken member pierce to say this is a good exercise to show people there's only so much you can do when there's only so much land and you have a requirement to make everybody

whole. that being said, i appreciate your comment mr. hernandez gil saying come to us and help us. we're really trying to do the right thing here. we are not ignoring communities. we don't disregard the lgbtq. we don't disregard the weather community. we don't disregard any of the communities and we've spent a considerable amount of time talking about the filipino community and wanting to make sure that we don't do any damage or do as little damage as we can because we kept saying we can't eliminate all damage. so i encourage people to come and help us in those districts and come to us with solutions and with that i think we should go and move forward and give cue to directions on where we want them to go and i think

it's serving us well. member castillo. >> thank you, chair for your comments. sorry, i have this tendency to rotate and not to actually be on the microphone. thank you vice chair for your comments. i think great leadership. i've been hearing two different themes so far around what we would be able to explore. one is a district that has tenderloin united with soma and it sounds like exploring putting the hate not in

district one. >> perhaps also not district two. let's make it clear. >> can you bring up the map so we can see what to explore here. so my suggestion would be to explore district eight and we would also be exploring a different map that's centered around tenderloin with soma.

so two different maps. another being tenderloin with south of market. any amendments to that? >> if i can just go real quick. i do still think that it's possible, i think we would want to talk about i think this is the time if there are we threw the public a curve ball. if we split the tenderloin in district three. we threw the public a curve ball with what we did this time around. i think if we have any curve balls left in the bag of balls, this is the time to get it out now because we have a week before the next meeting. this is the time where we discuss a few different things.

really any major thing that isn't reflected in this map or just generally i think going into three maps or anymore than that is not the problem at all. maybe they'll be a bit long for us to figure out which parts of which and how to make it all work come next week. i think now's the time for that. i also do want to clarify on the t.l. and soma together. i think there's a lot from today's mapping session obviously a lot of freebee and the map that we're looking at now are not going to be compatible with that. just to be perfectly clear on

that. thanks. >> how big of a curve ball do you guys want. we can move back to 6 and try moving central soma west into 9 or 8 since we moved the t.l. everywhere else and we've shown there's probably more people in soma. no. here is my hard and fast in this map that we have played with today, i am still leaving hard as keeping 16th street, the northern line and/or adding in show place for district 10. i am. sorry, jamie. this is my instructions for our fourth round iter ration.

so 16th west of 280 is a hard line adding to 6 and moving the d10 dog patch line back up until we are in compliance with district 6. keeping the park in d3 and possibly bringing the d3 line

down so d5 and d8 to accommodate the hate ashbury, lower hate, possibly the inner sunset if needed. those are my suggestions. >> jamie. mr. cooper, i see you, but let me ask a question. do you want to read these back a few times to make sure you have them right. >> i would definitely be really happy to read them back. >> okay. let's do that. >> so my running list so far is a map with tenderloin and soma together and that could mean everything west of second street and north of the 80. to make a map with hate and district 8, and district 10 to maintain 16th as the northern

boundary and potentially to add in show place. if i'm incorrect about this and please clarify for me. in another map it would be bringing the boundary of 10 back up to include dog patch. to keep the boundary of district three at sacramento, that moves that the task force may apply today. potentially to unify the financial district south of market. south of market to d3.

>> i think some of these directions will not necessarily be complementary in terms of making all of them possible and, you know, more than one map. so i, of course, will do my best to make all of the task force's dreams come true and it definitely, yeah, i think this is definitely like multiple maps here. >> ms. clark, we would hope that we wouldn't have to do

more than three maps because it gets pretty unwaledly. >> absolutely. vice chair, i have a clarifying question for myself which is is the map that we're looking at right now map 4a and is that -- should this be one of the maps that's presented in the next bundle. >> so here's my take on it and please, members my take on this. if you can do this map and do two more that reflect what we act for. if you need this map to work off of i would be accurate with that. >> thank you, i'll answer that question and i'll throw unless

there are minor things that we can go in now and fix. that should be one of the maps just for the public. i think the map that has together is going to be the separate thing and that would be some sort of iter ration of that i personally don't have as hard of a time ongoing to a fourth map without that there. >> and i'm totally okay with that. if it fixes some of the things in here, i'm okay with that too. >> okay. that sounds good and my last thing, this is in the spirit of two comments that were made

earlier about taking seriously all of the public comment we have gotten and trying to get any big changes out of the way. we talked about a lot of different things today. we talked about a lot of the big points. there's one particular piece we have not talked about at all, but i want to at least float it we've heard that quite a few times. i've played around with it myself. it does a lot to the rest of the map. i am not super wedded to bringing that in. it was the one thing about that map is that the only way to make a d5 with the western addition tenderloin and central soma in it was to butt all of

patrero hill in d6 and then move the portola into d10. i say that all to say i think that's a lot. i'm not super wedded to that being a map. but i did feel it was important to elevate that at this point. thanks. >> thank you, member cooper. mr. jeremy lee. >> first off, thank you member cooper for bringing that up. we've heard that comment repeatedly from our monolingual folks and i just want to entertain the idea. and then so for ms. clark, if possible, i would like to see one of the iter rations with the tenderloin and central soma together to have a whole

chinatown according to the chinatown coy submitted that was one of my issues with the map 3a. so i'd just like to see about that if possible. thank you. >> sorry. for quick clarification, to see that whole within, to see it complete or see it within a particular district? >> so one of the versions that has the tenderloin and central soma together, i would like that version to have the chinatown coy together. >> ms. clark, do you have a question? >> i do have a question, thank you. i guess a question is and, of course and thank you so much for all of this direction, i

will do my best to maintain all of the work that you have done today especially in these fine details, i'll do my best to maintain that. of course, i may not be able to. i think that, for example member jeremy lee's comment of having and keep chinatown publicly submitted definition of chinatown full. that's also a priority. i think that that can be really helpful just in knowing sort of like what is here that you like that is kind of off limits of changing. and not to open up a huge can of worms, but if there's anything that i should kind of lock in or if everything is kind of up for grabs. >> so thank you very much, jamie.

because i need clarification from member cooper. are we talking about the entirety of the request to unify portala, valley, and bayview into d10? are we talking about unifying them and fitting them in wherever they end up going? because i want to warn the public right now that we locked in map 2b's southern quadrant and even if we move them into d10, we're about to blow that up along with the modifications that we've made right now. so i just want people along the southern edge of the city to be forewarned, but i'd also like to know because i'm interested in unifying those communities personal history during the beginning of the pandemic.

and we had people calling us and begging us. and we are actually digging through a lot of work across that line. this is critical to me. i just as you guys saw i look at this as a numbers game and would love to unify, i honestly don't see that being possible in d10 i will have the flexibility to fenagle d9 and d11 with the caveat we can always go back once we really look at those numbers and how that map looks. so that's my question. >> thank you. i guess there's a few ways to

go with it. the problem, i guess the main problem is that sort of there's a few sets of neighborhoods. any time we've toucheded on chinatown and north beach. i think you can't spend we also have an equally important thing. so i think they all four would have to be in the same district and then that district would just have to be district 10 because you couldn't move. you couldn't put them all in it's already a large change, but this would be even larger. >> you're blowing up the map putting the t.l. into 5, you know, recognizing that.

you know, please include little hollywood. we tend to knock that portion out. so i do think that there's lots of -- there's not a whole lot of distinction in demographics and cultural across little hollywood. there's lots of pacific islanders, there's lots of chinese immigrants, there's lots of poor white and black and very large numbers of latino immigrants across all of them. i do see the distinction with bayview. >> okay. >> considering we go into the catch and public housing. so that's why i'm asking and we certainly can make them all three tied together and let's see what the map. >> yeah. and the map, this is also something we've heard a lot

about from the public. >> yeah. a third of the top half would have to go into d6 and then the rest of it would come down. >> all of patrero hill would have to go into d6. but district 10 would just be

-- >> it would stop at caesar chavez. >> if we could actually pull back up the map, district 10 that would basically be extending that line over and then moving the portala into district 10. >> you would take my job out of bayview. >> where are you? >> we'll see. >>. >> okay. we can if we want to make that and we may have to pull some thingses down, i guess. i do think it would be possible

to make to include the portala in d10. make some other changes, but i don't think you have to cut into bayview hunter's points. >> we've spent a lot of time on that. >> thank you, member pierce. thank you for that conversation. i was trying to honestly i was waiting for reverend townsend to be back before we toucheded on that topic. and it's sensitive and thank you for sharing your story. i mean, i truly also agree that the communities are extremely similar and they should be united. but, of course, we want to be sensitive of patrero terrace to stay in bayview. we also need sunnidale to stay

in bayview. so it's difficult. i just want to thank you for having such a thoughtful conversation about it because i didn't know how to have it myself because i didn't start it. >> i am very happy to have it. it touches me and our organization directly. and that is why i've also been having the conversations with larger d10 about we're probably not going to have chase, let's start getting used to that, or, you know, part of sunnidale might end up in d11. like i really strongly believe that you have to prepare people for what's coming and that's why i keep saying the numbers game doesn't work. so, are you know, apologies, but it's probably not going to happen, but i agree. we need to have this. we're not ignoring anybody. i'm not ignoring anybody. and the advocates know how to

call me and cuss me out in cantonese or mandarin in some western dialog that nobody else understands. >> thank you, madam vice chair. thank you, member cooper. thank you, member pierce for bringing up that conversation. like member ho, i don't know how to bring up myself especially because this is my community. these are the people who raised me. this is not abstract unlike many of the communities to

extent maybe putting words into his mouth like he has mentioned it before. together in one district. i have taken that to heart. i've tried working that. it works. south of caesar chavez, it works to the limits. we can open the conversation about that. that is a conversation we should have with the full

compliment of the i'm glad that we're opening that conversation. it's going to be a very emotional

>> i have issues with other people choosing where they're going to do and i have heard from patrero hill that the north side identifies with the bayview as strongly as portala and the south side where the public housing is identifies with both the north side and us and it is. so we're going to use the annex and the terraces if we remove

the north side. now, that's just really briefly and i'm sure we're going to hear like 8 million people next saturday. [please stand by]

to possibly move d3 south to unite north and south of market's financial districts. we are looking to unify the port ala and vis valley into d10, and we are looking to make whole the entirety of the chinatown coy, and move it into d3. go for it. >> thank you. yeah, i think that it's hard to follow -- because it's hard to some extent to do this but i think that it's easier for us to talk about which map is which. and so we know what we're looking for and how much on each map. there's some places that we can consolidate, i think that -- one thing to talk about is that dog patch move. i think we mostly did that in our gambit to try to move more of central soma with tenderloin

in this version of the map. so i think we can consolidate that with other requests and to -- into a map. and so i think i think we could have the current map and i'll leave it to people -- map one is either the current map or the current map with some modifications and i'll leave it to people who have more connect to this map to determine that. and then another map like that -- and then a map that has tenderloin, central soma in district 6 and keeps chinatown -- the chinatown coy whole. i believe that chinatown coy is whole in this map so i don't think that we need to clarify that for other maps but we might as well. and then the fourth map would br question. i understand -- i understand the

sensitivity and like i said, again, this is a big -- the big change, the big request, but it is a request received and one they think that we should discuss. there's two ways to discuss it really. one is the ask to make a map of it and the map goes to the public on tuesday or wednesday. and the public gets it and then we talk about it. outside of that, the public has a lot more time to actually look at the lines and the public has a lot more time to understand the ramifications for the rest of the city. the downside is that we never have to talk about that on top of the other stuff that we'll have to talk about next saturday. but i think that downside is even stronger if we say let's talk about it in the live lines meeting next week. because if we decide that's a map that we like, then we're going to have -- the public will have a lot less time with it. and my -- my intention was bringing it up now at this meeting was -- anything that we

don't say today the public will get a week with basically. maybe a week and a day, depending on what else we do. but the public will basically get a week with anything that we don't say today. so that's -- that's why my preference, if that's something that you want to explore and it sounds like it's something that we want to explore, my preference is to put it instructions for d2 for a map. that's where i land. but interested to hear more from other folks. >> thank you member cooper. >> thank you, member cooper for laying out the options before us. i personally don't have a preference on whether we explore it this week, or afterwards. although, of course, we should let the public see these maps. and i hear part of the concern is that, you know, notice -- right?

and the portal -- the portal in d10 is a massive change, we all know that, right. i would defer to the rest -- when to explore that. my -- the reason why i raised my hand is that i wanted to clarify something. can we bring up the map again. can we turn on the neighborhood layering and go to the portla. and zoom in please. i think that we should make one thing absolutely clear and i think we could all agree on one thing about the portola. the university -- the portola here move in one piece. we're not going to have the portola in d10 -- [indiscernible] or in d11, by the way. >> we got that -- we got poetry

about it. >> yeah, we got poetry about it so we should make clear that is one piece. yes. thank you. >> so i'd like to get a little clarification when you talk about -- i don't know what word you used but you're talking about working with the map rather than sitting with the map for a week. i'm rying to understand what you're thinking about, about working with the map. >> well, yeah, my comment was about i think that there was trepidation about sending off in sections with just a light discussion about it to q2. but my preference is that we would include of watching this next week and to like go in and should be able to go in with these instructions to do that. >> so i have a clarification

question from q2 that i'd like to ask. we have given you a lot of discussion today, when do you think that these maps will be available? >> thank you so much for that question. -- so, yeah, there's a lotful information, and a lot of these are really significant changes. and coming back with two, maybe three formats in addition to this one and i would say, um, up, i -- i would hope to be able to provide them by end of day wednesday. >> okay. i think that that's really fair, ms. clark. we're trying to get a sense when that will happen so that everybody can immediately log on, first of all. and second of all, so that we can study these and get them out to people and prepare ourselves

for saturday's mapping. >> if i may -- vice-chair, if i'm able to complete these sooner than the end of day wednesday we'll, of course, send them out and to go public. you know, send them out -- and make them live and send them out to the public, etc. excuse me, or send them to the clerk to make public before that. >> yes. and, please, let us know -- well, the clerk will let us know as soon as they come. so we look forward to them, and if you have any questions, clarification questions during the time, please let me know and we'll direct you to the right person to -- >> sorry, commissioners, i want to get clarifications. here's how i see it and, like i said, i am -- with the map, that we worked on today, very little,

little connection and i was able to mostly follow some of the edits that were suggested for that map, and i'm not as connected on that. so here's how i see it. i see right now, i see four maps. one is the current map as is. one is the current map that we're looking at right now. one is the current map with some number of changes, including the moving to the 8 and the dog patch reunited with d10. there may be more changes to that map, i'm not sure. and the third map, well, it doesn't matter, but another map is the tenderloin, with central soma, with soma from second and the freeways and central and western soma. and that map also keeps the chinatown coy together. and then a map -- yeah -- the

fourth map is portola visiticiaon valley and hunters point and little hollywood and sunnydale together in district 10. and with that map being roughly based on the current map. on the map that we're looking at, three, four -- 4a, i guess, this one should be 4a, yeah. >> may i please make a clarification as well? >> sure. >> thank you. and thanks -- thank you for that list and communicating, you know, this is three new maps in addition to this one. i think that some of the direction that was given is potentially compatible with each

other. for example, it could be in the same -- it could also be, you know, portola with virch siciaon valley and the other neighborhoods that were listed and so i guess that i would ask for a bit of flexibility in terms of the two or three maps. and, you know, i will only it come back to you with something that i think that is high quality, you know, high quality, i'm not trying to throw things together and send them out to you. but asking for flexibility because some are big changes. >> please go ahead and do that, thank you for bringing that up. >> thank you. >> we have any other members? all right. >> on the mic, please.

the microphone. >> sorry about that. >> clerk: so we're going to move forward in the agenda now? >> yes. >> clerk: okay. noting that we closed public comment on this item, and those instructions have been delivered, agenda item number 3 is an update on the mapping consultant tools from q2 discussion and this is a discussion and possible action item and we're still joined by jamie clark. >> hi, ms. jamie, please go right ahead. >> sure, thank you so much. i do not have an update on the number of submissions from last night and this morning. i apologize. i did just want to let the task force know that we are working with city staff to assess set-up in each of the in-person rooms that you're meeting in, just to

ensure that they have sort of required bandwidth and internet access for us to be able to properly display the maps to members of the public, whether they're in person or participating remotely. with the information that we had, we did have some concerns about internet access and our concerns have been escalated to the department of technology and, of course, we want to ensure that the mapping interface is working properly, and so everyone can participate particularly in a meeting like today. and so hopefully these questions will get answered and we'll have more information and maybe a work around by saturday, but that's just an update as to why i'm here at home today. >> so if you could keep us informed through the clerk's office as to whether you get that resolved and we'll just look for that, and if you can, i'm sure that we'll hear

directly from there. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> are there any comments from the task force members? >> it has been a while since we have taken public comment in this body so i reiterate the instructions for today's meeting. we have a few people in room 400 with us from whom we will hear first, but if you are connected remotely and watching on cable channel 78 or watching on webex and you want to participate in the discussion you can do so in one of two ways. dial on your telephone 415-655-0001. and you will be prompted to enter i.d., and the i.d. is 249318117944. and you will be prompted to press the pound symbol. you should press the symbol two times and you will begin to hear the meeting conversation. but your line will be muted. to indicate that you want to speak on this item, you should dial star, followed by 3 on your

phone after you have taken those previous steps and i will add you to the queue of speakers from whom we will hear. or more simply, if you are connected through webex and you wish to speak on this item raise your hand from inside of webex and that will add you to the queue. do we have anyone in room 400 who wants to provide public comment on the mapping and community interest tools? i'm seeing none. mr. atkins, do we have anyone remotely who wants to provide public comment on agenda item number 3 specifically? >> hello. >> clerk: hello, please begin. >> caller: hi, my name is dr. nicole shaw and i am a native san franciscan. and also a resident in district 11 and a business owner in district 10. and i just want to ensure that

we consider what's happening with the district 10 movement of the chase center to another district. it's been -- >> clerk: i will pause your time for a moment and you have a minute and 30 seconds. the mapping discussion has been concluded and we took public comment on it previously and the mapping discussion is the best place for guidance about different geographical landmarks and where they may be districted to. right now we are hearing just about the tools from q2 consultants and the tools that we're using to do the mapping. if i could direct you to hang on until we get to general public comment, which is later in our agenda, that will be agenda item

number 5, that would probably be best place for the task force to hear your additional mapping considerations. and i'm going to start your clock again once i hear your voice and if you have more or if you have comments about the current topic. here you go. >> caller: well, no, actually, i wasn't given the opportunity during the mapping conversation to access the public comment. so, you know, you met yesterday and people are trying to make comment and to not allow us to make comment. >> clerk: i'll pause your time once again. can you hang on until we get to general public comment later in this agenda and we'll hear all of your comments. >> caller: raise my hand again? >> clerk: right. it will be very soon. i'm sorry to be fastidious about this but we have to make sure that everyone has access to each other's input, and if someone is

providing comment on an off-topic agenda item, there are other interested members of the public who want to hear your voice and may miss it. so general public comment is the place for it. mr. atkins can we come around to the next caller in the queue. is there anyone in the queue? i'm not receiving any updates from the other side. >> caller: i just -- hello. >> clerk: speaker, are you there? >> caller: can you hear me? >> clerk: it's very -- it's very hard to tell what you're saying if you could speak more directly into your telephone or microphone. >> caller: sure, is this better? >> clerk: it is better. >> caller: okay, great. i am mark and i love the q2 mapping tool and it's really great. thank you so much.

maybe i have two feature requests. one, i would love to be able to go and to look at my submitted map, once i submit it, it's hard to click on anything and to find out anything in the -- in the demographics. that would be really be helpful for me. and my second request is to put -- as a layer, the 2002 lines and the 1995 lines, because i think that then you would see that really university and porpola didn't join together until 2012. you can see that in the map in 1995 and in 2002, so maybe that is helpful to understand what the historical boundaries were. thank you so much for the tool. have a great day. >> clerk: thank you for sharing your comments. anymore callers on agenda item number 3? >> caller: hi, this is jen say with the legal voters of san francisco. good afternoon. i would have a suggestion around the map viewer if possible -- i

think that especially given that during the live mapping session that there was a lot of toggling between the big census blocks on the left and really small census blocks on like the west side. i think that it would be helpful to also for the public to be able to view the census, like have a census block layer on the map viewer to be able to be viewed on top of, you know, or with the draft map. and so i think that the public will be able to see what is possible to either take out or to take in. i think that, you know, on my personal capacity when i spoke, i had to toggle between the mapping tool and the map viewer to kind of see what was going on with the park. and it kind of throws me off. so if it's possible to just have a layer of the us block on the map viewer and given that there's going to be a long break next week, i hope that q2 would be able to do it.

thank you. >> clerk: thank you very much for sharing your comments. any further callers in the queue? >> caller:hello hi, my name is russell maureen, a resident of d10, and thank you for keeping it together. but the question about the mapping tool is something that i don't think that i have seen yet and i asked for it once before is having some inclusion of registered voters in the district and how that would change when you move the lines, because the registered voters is different than the population as we know. but if you're changing district lines and somehow dramatically changing the amount of registered voters, you may not be getting the results that you want. if that's a possibility, if it's too late in the game for that, and it is something that must be a factor in these decisions. thank you. >> clerk: thank you for your comments, russell maureen. can we have the next speaker, please.

>> caller: hello, anthony jones here. as far as the mapping tool is concerned, i think that what can also be very helpful too is to see what the past census results from maybe the last two censuses in 1992 and i don't know if we had it back then, but at least having some overlay of the past redistricting processes as far back as we can go. just so that the community has a chance to also see how the neighborhoods and communities of interest have changed over time so if that is at all possible, i think that could be helpful for community. and thank you to the task force for all of diligent work. >> clerk: do we have any callers in the queue? >> mr. clerk, there are no further callers in the queue. >> thank you very much. >> clerk: on the mic. your microphone. >> sorry about that. thank you very much, public comment is now closed.

colleagues, are there any final comments? no, i see no action -- no final comments. so there's no action to take. and it's been heard, mr. clerk. could you please file this and call item number 4. >> clerk: agenda number four is task force number reports. a discussion item. >> member ho. >> ho: this week i spoke to the pacific neighborhood association and leaders in chinatown. >> thank you. member pierce. >> pierce: since last night i actually heard from david filpal, and still amongst the living and says to say hello to everybody. i think that i might have been the only person to answer the phone. [laughter] but that -- that a

lot of feedback from community members and panic from people and hellos from sf rising. >> thank you, member pierce. member hernández gil. >> hernández gil: since last night i had discussions with district 5 and district 1, and a couple of folks from south beach, and mission bay neighborhood association and san francisco rising. >> thank you. member jeremy lee. >> lee: since last night i have had conversations with district 5 office, chinatown leaders as well as members of s.f. rising. >> thank you. member cooper. >> cooper: thank you. yes, since last night, i had conversations with residents of

d5 and the d6 office. thanks. >> thank you. mr. -- once again, are there any callers in the queue, mr. clerk >> clerk: first, let's see if there's anyone in the room to give public comment on the member reports. not seeing any. we did have access instructions just a few moments ago. if there's anyone who is connected remotely who has comment for the task force member reports, can we be connected to any of them. >> mr. clerk -- we have one caller in the queue. >> clerk: can we please be connected. >> caller: hello. >> clerk: hello. >> caller: hi. yes, can you hear me? >> clerk: yes, we can. >> caller: yes, i am brenda bales and i wanted to just say that i was a little bit disappointed in the report that not more of the commissioners

have been speaking or communicating with residents of d10. that's my only comment right now. >> clerk: thank you, brenda, for sharing your comments to the task force. anyone with public comment on task force member reports? >> mr. clerk, there are no further callers in the queue. >> thank you, public comment is now closed. colleagues, any final -- mr. cooper. >> cooper: i want to clarify for the public this is a standing agenda item and we update the public on items that are relevant that we have done since the previous meeting. so our reports by and large just covered the past -- past few hours from the end of the last meeting to the start of this meeting. so we do have a lot of conversations but just to clear that up. >> thank you very much, mr. cooper. mr. clerk, i don't see anyone else in the queue.

and it's now filed. call item number 5. >> clerk: general public comment. this is the opportunity for members of the public to provide comments on matters that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the task force. but which are not on today's agenda. do we have anyone in the room 400 to provide public comment? it appears that we do not. if folks are connected remotely or who could be connected remotely who want to provide -- general public comment, they can join the meeting by dialing 1-(669)-900-6833 and enter the i.d. (please stand by)

>> in agenda item number 2 and we're well after especially for some of us on this side of the

aisle and after lunch, my stomach started hurting and it wasn't my district many of the comments made by gill and ho and it's just i take it to heart because this is really, really hitting home to a lot of people especially in neighborhoods that work well together. so, i'm not mad at you and i hoch that everybody understanding can which get the next speaker, please. >> hi, this is jenn with the legal and voters of san francisco. i wanted to talk about

accessibility and how during the map drawing the members made an effort to read out the different deviation changes as maps were drawn and districts the percentage was changed every time and i think i would recommend for upcoming line map drawings, is to actually at the end when you are like done with the drawings, actually read out each district because it's given the report from last night about the possibility of simultaneous translation and read it out.

>> next speaker, please. >> caller: i'm from the office my business is in district 10 and i want to say about the remapping. i'm not in support of that. district 10 continues to be one of the most marginalized areas and when you think of all the sewage plants and wasteland, how come we always go to leave the waste but take the chase. so, i can't see them being separate. this district has -- it's the pride of district 10 and the

schools have partnered with with the warriors and i just would hate to see one of the board members did mention that going to evans was not a big deal, two more blocks to include the trace chase. you have a minute. >> thank you for coming back around to general public comment. can we get the next speaker, please. >> hello, this is brenda farowes i would like to speak to the maps for d10 and what i would like to see remain in the district. i definitely want san francisco general hospital to remain in the district, it's very historical landmark and it's all been in district 10 and it needs to stay in district 10. i don't know if you are thinking about moving it but i want it to

be safe and i also agree regarding the chase center. it's a great re source that coming into district 10 that has given a lot of community benefits from being in district 10 and as the caller before me said, it would be a travesty when d10 has been mistreated for so long, and all the negative stuff they stick in d10 but it's time for san francisco to give people in d10 something this is positive and give people jobs and owe hope you do that.

>> caller: hi, task force, this is johnathan meed and i've been listening to this process all day and i can only describe this math-making portion as torture. it redevelops that to me this is not a process that respects the people, you adopted map 3b despite hearing from commenters who told you how 3b was rendering their district of thunder and they did not

consider the asian american community at district one a minority because of the percentage of the population only being reduced to 37% and

this person needs some serious education. about the history of racism -- >> thank you for sharing your comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> caller: i'm from the haiti ashbury and lived here since the mid-80s. i've joined my neighbors in supporting united in the city including the soma together but frankly today it was really upsetting to see our neighborhoods, a world famous one, ripped to pieces by being put into different districts. don't bet me wrong, we love our districts but we're hart of the heart of d5 along with japan town and the western edition for a long time. so, when you mention putting cathedral hill back into 5. people said they feel very much a part of district 2 so i would

suggest they stay there and it makes no sense to have district 2 go down to the panhandle which is very much at the heart of the haight-ashbury and the border line should be up at gary and we should also be extending out further towards the inner sunset so we realize you are moving pieces around and i just want to say, again, that i do support whole communities all around the city and not just ours but please, don't cut the haiti haight-ashbury into three or four pieces. >> next speaker, please. >> caller: good afternoon, task force members. it's president of the neighborhood association and i apologize for not introducing myself earlier when i called you prior to a little league baseball game and we won 3-2. i'm just calling because i've seen the lines move a lot today and over the last couple of weeks and i my civil have been

in three different districts thus far. i want to talk about maintaining somehow the territorial integrity of the dog patch area. we've been split five different ways. we'd love to have the areas. as task force member piers said it doesn't matter in the north or south slope of the hill or northwest or south east corner of dog patch, you feel like you are part of a common neighborhood and community and that needs to be respected as a part of this process and be placed into a district together as one integral unit. thank you for this license, lond complicated hard work, i appreciate it. have a nice rest of the weekend. >> next speaker, please of the. >> caller: hi, good afternoon. my name is marcy and i am a

resident and directing 10. my recommendations to this task force is to reject version 3b and a versions coming from today and look at going back as a starting point to fix district 6 and 5 and i support 2b where the boundary at the 16th border of potrero hills kept our neighborhood hole. i'm asking you restore our neighborhood back moving the boundaries directly cut through our recognized community. we have shared centers with our neighborhooding communities and we should have considerations when drawing lines through as others have stated before me a recognized neighborhood and the definite community of interest. this new version removes several needed pieces that are in our community and jackson park, miraposa park, the ucf children's hospital the chase center and the union hall who

does work with the community and engages our civic needs and my ask is that you please put portero hill back together moving the boundaries back to 16th street. i will concede of rest of my time. thank you. >> thank you for bringing your comments to the task force. can we get the next speaker, please. >> caller: good afternoon task force members. this is betina cohen and i would like to respectfully, since we're talking about landmarks, respectfully correct a couple of earlier callers about the chase center in mission bay. our current district 6 boundaries actually do from east of 280 to the waterfront, they do extend to miraposa street and the fact that's incorporating the entire mission bay redevelopment area including

parcels 29 through 32 which are the land parcels that the chase center sits on and they have been in district 6 so that is a landmark that i would like to keep in mission bay in district 6. i did earlier use that i280 as a dividing line where miraposa would be and the border to the waterfront and what could be down at 16th street and if it does -- i hear all of the discussion and of course it is like a jigsa puzzle and keep it in district 6. thank you.

>> we have two callers in the queue, can we get the next caller, please. >> caller: hi, i'm erika and (inaudible) straight through this and i have only heard people talking about the sunset and inner and outer sunset and the merchant corridor and comments and the chinese cultural district being kept together and expanded actually into the inner sunset and we have got the left and we've got the left field what you can propose of today which makes no sense. we have further and on the southern side of and south of

the detached and not like the sun set and not like the richmond and the sunset and that you need that same kind of move by adding the northern areas of the richmond into the richmond and question with you are going with that and also whether anybody was heard after all too time and i'm so tired now of this whole thing. thank you, very much. >> next caller, please. >> caller: this is cheryl from district 10 and thank you to the task force for doing this excruciating work but what i want to say is we need to keep the voter rights act of 1965 at the forefront of this and we need to be working towards strengthening the black vote due

to all this historical harm that happened in san francisco and we were not allowed to live in any neighborhood that we so desired in san francisco due to the real estate practices. and so, we are bunch together in a small few districts so i employ the task forced to do and keep the voter rights act in the front of the forefront of this and to strengthen the black vote in san francisco because we historically have been harmed and we need to have representation here in san francisco. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments in the task force. can we get the next kale, calle. >> caller: i called earlier this morning as well and forgot to say my name.

call for your hard work and i wanted to make sure i had time to do that so i'm using my time right now to thank you for all of this and all of you and i so appreciate this as a member of the public also, hearing so many voices and across this city and it has been a historical learning experience as well as i see the commonalities in terms of displacement and i really wish you great luck and continuing this work and resting as well. thank you so much. >> thank you for sharing your comments. do we have anyone further remote who wants to connect for public comment? for general public comment? there are no further callers in the remote queue. >> clerk: we have one caller

here in room 400 with us, did i say caller? yeah. >> i'll try not to call too loud. it's been a long day. has diana taylor said earlier for the districts 3, united neighborhood plan it would be fine for us to extend further into the financial district as has been talked about but we would urge you could keep the western boundary of venice avenue, thank you very much for everything. good luck. >> thank you for sharing your comments with the task force. do we have anyone further who wants to provide public comment during general public comment? we have one who has stood up remotely. let's hear from them, please. >> hi, this is kristen evans. i called in for the first time

yesterday. i'm a board member of the haight-ashbury merchants association and small business owner and resident of district 5. i'm not familiar with redistricting in the past but i was shocked to learn of the maps that were being reviewed and considered today and it displaced what appears to be half of d5 out of d5 and i'm very confused about what the principles are this organization is using to make determinations. it doesn't seem to me that it makes sense to disrupt 50% of if it's only 30% in one district. i would think at a maximum you would disrupt one district by 30% and all others would be disrupted less than that so i

would appreciate further clarification. >> hi, this is betty louie and i'm sorry i wasn't at the meeting all day. i want to thank the task force for all its hard work and long, long hours and i was with you until the end last night and i'm sorry i missed today but i did want to echo my colleague alex's comments about the d3 and keeping that line to van ness and i agree with him that going into the financial district, was something that was acceptable to all our groups that are all united and it was noted by

commissioner keo and i appreciated of all the neighborhoods we have right now, in d3 she's never seen any group that had everyone all on the same page and i appreciate that you are lining to us and drawing the lines for us. thank you. >> thank you so much for sharing your comments, do we have anyone else who wants to provide general public comment remotely? >> caller: this is walter kaplan from district 7 and i have great admiration for the mono language speaker in districts 10 and 11 and again in district 4. those individuals in districts 4 who would desire to extend district 4, into merced manner and lakeshore acres don't live in those districts in those neighborhoods and aren't the

ones who are working in those neighborhoods associations over the many years and attending the meetings of the western of twin peaks council and the coalition of san francisco neighborhoods so it really doesn't make sense to extend the line of district 4 and i hope you reexamine that at your next meeting next week. thank you for all your hard work. >> do we have anyone else who has general public comment? >> there are no further callers in the queue. >> we've done it. >> thank you very much. public comment is now closed. i will ask mr. clerk to file this public comment. mr. clerk, can you please call item number 6. >> agenda item number 6 future agenda items this is a discussion in possible action item and we'll take public

comment. >> thank you. colleagues do you have any future agenda items to discuss? >> i see no one in the queue. mr. clerk, can you see if we have anyone out there for click comment? >> could we reach out remotely to joe atkins remoting our remote public comment line and see if we have anyone on the topic of future agenda items for the task force. if so provide your comments now. >> i'm sorry, there was a mistake. this is betty can i make one statement about comments about see sea cliff being all white. >> can you make one comment about future agenda ideas but not any other topic. do you have any future agenda items to propose? >> no, i don't, thank you. >> thank you, very much.

do we have anyone else who has public comment on future agenda ideas? >> caller: thank you task force and thank you so much for allowing me to comment on this item. so, essentially just to preface i commented last about this idea including historical maps on the map tool from the last census processes and when the feature agenda item i think that maybe row clarifying as new community members engage in this process and how what is it at the city ask county level because it will be important as communities weigh these new perhaps and they're sure to create a lot of public interest and as the week goes on so maybe adding that's an item and how it impacts in

the brick and mortar in schools and businesses and communities and parks all of that. because i think that can be helpful for communities and in terms of seeing what is at stake here. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. do we have anyone else who has future agenda items public comment? >> caller: this is kristen evans board member of haight-ashbury merchants building on my comment, i would like to see a future agenda item that doesn't just look at what is called the deviation of 4% or 5% but what percentage of existing districts is being lost from that current directing. i would expect that you would not have more than 30% of a district shifting out of that district. that would be my request to see that type of deviation plotting that is a different type of a

deviation. thank you. >> thank you. do we have anyone else for future agenda items? >> there are no further callers in the queue. >> thank you. colleagues, if there's no further discussion, then i will ask mr. clerk to file this discussion item and mr. clerk, please call item number 7. >> number 7 is adjournment. >> we are adjourned. thank you, everybody. -

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italians are all about we need people to come here and shop here so we can keep this going not only us but, of course, everything else in the community i think local businesses the small ones and coffee shops are unique in their own way that is the characteristic of the neighborhood i peace officer prefer it is local character you have to support them. >> really notice the port this community we really need to kind of really shop locally and support the communityly live in it is more economic for people to survive here. >> i came down to treasure island to look for a we've got a

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>> when i first started painting it was difficult to get my foot in the door and contractors and mostly men would have a bad attitude towards me or not want to answer my questions or not include me and after you prove yourself, which i have done, i don't face that obstacle as much anymore. ♪♪♪ my name is nita riccardi, i'm a painter for the city of san francisco and i have my own business as a painting contractor since 1994 called winning colors. my mother was kind of resistant. none of my brothers were painter. i went to college to be a

chiropractor and i couldn't imagine being in an office all day. i dropped out of college to become a painter. >> we have been friends for about 15-20 years. we both decided that maybe i could work for her and so she hired me as a painter. she was always very kind. i wasn't actually a painter when she hired me and that was pretty cool but gave me an opportunity to learn the trade with her company. i went on to different job opportunities but we stayed friends. the division that i work for with san francisco was looking for a painter and so i suggested to my supervisor maybe we can give nita a shot. >> the painting i do for the city is primarily maintenance painting and i take care of anything from pipes on the roof to maintaining the walls and beautifying the bathrooms and graffiti removal. the work i do for myself is

different because i'm not actually a painter. i'm a painting contractor which is a little different. during the construction boom in the late 80s i started doing new construction and then when i moved to san francisco, i went to san francisco state and became fascinated with the architecture and got my contractor's licence and started painting victorians and kind of gravitated towards them. my first project that i did was a 92 room here in the mission. it was the first sro. i'm proud of that and it was challenging because it was occupied and i got interior and exterior and i thought it would take about six weeks to do it and it took me a whole year. >> nita makes the city more beautiful and one of the things that makes her such a great contractor, she has a magical

touch around looking at a project and bringing it to its fullest fruition. sometimes her ideas to me might seem a little whacky. i might be like that is a little crazy. but if you just let her do her thing, she is going to do something incredible, something amazing and that will have a lot of pop in it. and she's really talented at that. >> ultimately it depends on what the customer wants. sometimes they just want to be understated or blend in and other times they let me decide and then all the doors are open and they want me to create. they hire me to do something beautiful and i do. and that's when work is really fun. i get to be creative and express what i want. paint a really happy house or something elegant or dignified. >> it's really cool to watch

what she does. not only that, coming up as a woman, you know what i mean, and we're going back to the 80s with it. where the world wasn't so liberal. it was tough, especially being lgbtq, right, she had a lot of friction amongst trades and a lot of people weren't nice to her, a lot of people didn't give her her due respect. and one of the things amazing about nita, she would never quit. >> after you prove yourself, which i have done, i don't face that obstacle as much anymore. i'd like to be a mentor to other women also. i have always wanted to do that. they may not want to go to school but there's other options. there's trades. i encourage women to apply for my company, i'd be willing to train and happy to do that. there's a shortage of other women painters.

for any women who want to get into a trade or painting career, just start with an apprenticeship or if you want to do your own business, you have to get involved and find a mentor and surround yourself with other people that are going to encourage you to move forward and inspire you and support you and you can't give up. >> we've had a lot of history, nita and i. we've been friends and we have been enemies and we've had conflicts and we always gravitate towards each other with a sense of loyalty that maybe family would have. we just care about each other. >> many of the street corners in all the districts in san francisco, there will be a painting job i have completed and it will be a beautiful paint job. it will be smooth and gold leaf and just wow. and you can't put it down. when i first started, it was hard to get employees to listen

to me and go along -- but now, i have a lot of respect.

>> it's great to see everyone kind of get together and prove, that you know, building our culture is something that can be reckoned with.

>> i am desi, chair of economic development for soma filipinos. so that -- [ inaudible ] know that soma filipino exists, and it's also our economic platform, so we can start to build filipino businesses so we can start to build the cultural district. >> i studied the bok chase choy heritage, and i discovered this awesome bok choy. working at i-market is amazing.

you've got all these amazing people coming out here to share one culture. >> when i heard that there was a market with, like, a lot of filipino food, it was like oh, wow, that's the closest thing i've got to home, so, like, i'm going to try everything. >> fried rice, and wings, and three different cliefz sliders. i haven't tried the adobe yet, but just smelling it yet brings back home and a ton of memories. >> the binca is made out of different ingredients, including cheese. but here, we put a twist on it. why not have nutella, rocky road, we have blue berry.

we're not just limiting it to just the classic with salted egg and cheese. >> we try to cook food that you don't normally find from filipino food vendors, like the lichon, for example. it's something that it took years to come up with, to perfect, to get the skin just right, the flavor, and it's one of our most popular dishes, and people love it. this, it's kind of me trying to chase a dream that i had for a long time. when i got tired of the corporate world, i decided that i wanted to give it a try and see if people would actually like our food. i think it's a wonderful opportunity for the filipino culture to shine. everybody keeps saying filipino

food is the next big thing. i think it's already big, and to have all of us here together, it's just -- it just blows my mind sometimes that there's so many of us bringing -- bringing filipino food to the city finally. >> i'm alex, the owner of the lumpia company. the food that i create is basically the filipino-american experience. i wasn't a chef to start with, but i literally love lumpia, but my food is my favorite foods i like to eat, put into my favorite filipino foods, put together. it's not based off of recipes i learned from my mom. maybe i learned the rolling technique from my mom, but the different things that i put in are just the different things that i like, and i like to think that i have good taste.

well, the very first lumpia that i came out with that really build the lumpia -- it wasn't the poerk and shrimp shanghai, but my favorite thing after partying is that bakon cheese burger lumpia. there was a time in our generation where we didn't have our own place, our own feed to eat. before, i used to promote filipino gatherings to share the love. now, i'm taking the most exciting filipino appetizer and

sharing it with other filipinos. >> it can happen in the san francisco mint, it can happen in a park, it can happen in a street park, it can happen in a tech campus. it's basically where we bring the hardware, the culture, the operating system. >> so right now, i'm eating something that brings me back to every filipino party from my childhood. it's really cool to be part of the community and reconnect with the neighborhood. >> one of our largest challenges in creating this cultural district when we compare ourselves to chinatown, japantown or little saigon, there's little communities there that act as place makers. when you enter into little

philippines, you're like where are the businesses, and that's one of the challenges we're trying to solve. >> undercover love wouldn't be possible without the help of the mayor and all of our community partnerships out there. it costs approximately $60,000

for every event. undiscovered is a great tool for the cultural district to bring awareness by bringing the best parts of our culture which is food, music, the arts and being ativism all under one roof, and by seeing it all in this way, what it allows san franciscans to see is the dynamics of the filipino-american culture. i think in san francisco, we've kind of lost track of one of our values that makes san francisco unique with just empathy, love, of being acceptable of different people, the out liers, the crazy ones. we've become so focused onic

maing money that we forgot about those that make our city and community unique. when people come to discover, i want them to rediscover the magic of what diversity and empathy can create. when you're positive and committed to using that energy,

>> good afternoon and welcome to the april 5, 2022 regular meeting of the san francisco board of supervisors. madame clerk, w