i'm not a paid activist i'm calling for myself and i'm a busy person exit am trying to carve out my day to talk with you. so i irrelevant appreciate if i were heard. thanks. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> can you more me. >> yes, >> yes. i'm calling in to support use of the map 4d. >> i have been on a number of calls and i'm sorry i'm tired now. i will do my best. i feel that i live in district 5 and i feel that -- the other maps you are considering for b is completely takes arc part

district 5. we are one neighborhood and one community and -- we share resources and share neighborhood groups and support systems. d5 had the smallest pop population change of any of the districts i understood it. and -- and -- 4d is the closest thing to keeping us together. i also have several other people mention they don't understand yet community unity map was not considered. i had seen that map and that was i good bound to me of everything all the concerns people have. if you go forward with 4d that would be the way to go. and i know i wanted it say having been on the phone for hours of the meetings and hearing all the other comments

people have made, beyond my own concerns about district 5 i feel that the maps 4 d also best balances the thing this is others have been call nothing about. this is another reason to keep that purd and all the concerns -- many concerns -- are best addressed by 4d. and before i go. i also want to compliment the moderator of the calls. iemgs the time is concluded. sorry to cut you off you reached the 2 minute limit. [laughter] thank you for your comments, next speaker, please. may be an unattended line while

we work on the next caller? >> hello. >> yes. fwaen. >> >> today we heard the wealthy conservatives you centered in your maps that came out today to gift task force [inaudible]. when you come and previously supported the map and direction you are doing. coming out dp organized way thought this process and expressing their rights. only the rich should be heard. i wander yet task force members with no credentials to do this work had a ploy for such greueling task force appointments? and easy to find answers on line on google i have been waiting on the phone as an excessive number

of task force members with [inaudible] these are social justice activists helping the rich and comfortable. [inaudible] behind and supporting enemied political pact who's goal to take. i will pause your time we have 60 seconds we maining in the call i will give back to you. the public comment period we are in now is about the shape of the future district maps and if you could redirect your comments toward this instead of other topics it would be helpful. i will story your time once i hear your voice. i'm not -- i think i'm talking about the maps. so if you are there i want to make this clear. supporting annex penned tour pack goal to take out u.s.

aggressive supervisors throughout the city. target is d within and 4 as states in the a mass mail to residents. the vote on the motions left night on the mapping -- moved that agenda forward. a planned strategy to get the appointments and [inaudible] they are recall readers in the midst of particular fers members. when social activists -- >> we have to move on. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. i'm stelea and i have a major problem with the e stlal is going on in this city. can you hear me.

>> okay. this is very diabolical what is going on in san francisco i'm call nothing the d4 it has been spoken the answer is d 4. i will tell you why, no. potrero hill belongs to the african-american cult roll district we are less than 2% in the city to sprit us hunters pinlt and visitation valley and potrero? we are trying to stands to fight for our community of the black children that are murdered in the city on a daily. i hear all the cult urs talking about the unify exclude colored. we other black people nation of people well is a mall limit of us and every culture has said we are trying to destroy them. that we hate them. and then you turn around and you said you want to build with you. you will use the word a

democracy there is no democracy and i will tell to you reverend townsend. please direct your comments at the entire task force. i did not know that -- are you still there. yes, i am. i would like to speak. can i continue, pleas. i want to say is that this is e vil. 've can american community has irrelevant no foundation. when we look at the reality of the homicides that are happening on a daily woo have to be real about the wagz and think you will come and take potrero hill from us. it will be worry in the city [inaudible] i will make sure my people rise and take on this city. it is not equality in the stele it is not known democracy the politicians and the

gerrymandering cutting up the city and divoidingly it. >> thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please this is the 100th speak or agenda item two. i hope you are foaling all right are you ready to give your comments to the task force. >> >> yes this is party warfield and i had difficulty maneuvering around with the map. make it look bigger or small and understand the boundsaries i'm look ath4da is your latest one. and while it is an improve am over 4d it leaves the district

that i have been in for many years in fact decades, split. so tht people along southern edge of golden gate park are exclude why previously they were and where you heard from many of theofthe community folks. to include further along in the inner sunset further out. you barely looks like half of the hospital in district 5da. and the other district which is 7da which i'm having trouble sliding up. when i slide up or down it shrinks instead. i think on an earlier attempt i saw that 7da goes out to -- the

fair lawn islands i'm attempted say that is for the birds for the folks that was district 5. what gerrymandering is about is in the just technical term it is the disenfranchisement in the disempowering of a let of people and the empowering of selected others. and that's what the meaning of these maps is. they should be doing with you what. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. is there a call are on the loip ready to give comments to the task force?

we are attempt to bring proposal unattended lines in the meeting. there are a few of them. >> hello. >> begin. >> excellent i'm joshua i live in d6 in soma that will be part of the butchered d 5 i call in the left night and i will continue to they are a time suck to my job and schedule i'm in a support of map 4d maintaining tenderloin and soma and second i was on the line last night listen to you to the end i can't believe you are making decision this is impact 800,000 at 2 a.m. may be you have a cut off time for the press and press the

voices you heard. i'm surprised not much done to address the public out kroi yesterday. you know i don't think anybody supports butchering the districts like in 4d in particular d five and 6. soma and tenderloin must be the same community. i heard a few comments politicizing that is a loyal you are redrawing district lines that will destroy districts and established voices. people once had a working relationship with supervisors will not have this. it is woild to remove 60% of residence denials from d five and expect folks to be okay. i want to support the weight and marginalized voice in communities. there is allowing 5% vaerns

ouzed to give voices more maintaining the 1% is designed push special interests. sit down with the community that are you understand represented and less resources boy time and moncompetence talk with them. >> thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. . >> hello. hi. hello. i speak cantonese. it is after 7 o'clock and the cantonese interpreters it to disconnect from the call. again with your comments we will record the comments and take note where they are all in the recording and have the trnz translations delivered the task force. police begin.

can i speak cantonese. >> okay.

we will have the comments interprets and deliver said. next speaker, please. >> a caller on the line. sorry. i called last night i'm in district one i'm worried about you adding [inaudible] to our district. i talk about resources and how they don't -- you will put it it

wealthy districts that's not how it works. base on the amount on the economics of this district. it is in the right. it makes me said it it makes me sad to see you break up the last whole black districts -- it

makes no sense. well, it does. you just don't want. and events where an appearance they passed get a well test from the nonsense. there are many of us w to decide. we need a rough tax on them. the translateors had to disconnect. but we can record your comments and have them interpreted. okay. yes, thank you.

i speak chinese. okay. thank you very much. next speaker, please hello can

you hear me? there are 2 of us hereby we will pass to my colleagues here. speak spanish i can translate and i will go second. >> you are going to translate for someone who is with you and after they are done you will give the translation and psz it to someone who speaks english. that will be me.

>> my name is which i shell mendoza i live in district complen work in district 5 i'm in support of community unity map and want to support 4 d. we want to have rep 7ation and historically latin ecpoe have not had this according to the amount of folks we live here in san francisco. map 4b is d is not perfect but a good beginning point which we can work. and i live -- in district one.

i work in district 9. i lived here for 4 decades. 4d in democracy is the map from which we have to start. we had one that goes 8 to 1. it is very, very important to that to the life of working people. that the way that b have been developed bricking up the different w class communities. the trickery of the language of folks supporting and saying they

are in the involved in politic this is is politics. so, it is can't be rig norred and attacks so 4d is the map from which we want to be working. we ask you folk and the particular fers to follow the instructions of people who have been calling we are not paid. we are focusing on the community who have taken time off to be ail to be on this line for a long time. thank you very much. >> thank you for sharing your comments, thank you to michelle mendoza bringing your parents and interpreting the comments. next speaker, please. >> good evening, thank you to the task force we are continued arc mazing and hard work. i'm richard car delo i lived in

district 3 and on russian hill for 40 years. it seems there are 34, 794 people 4 percent of preponder ligz. will need to end up in i different district from the one they are in. d 3 the largest deficit and needs additional 7, 071 residents. district 3 is on the negotiate corner of the city. it is learning low defined by the bay. water on 2 sides.

i think when russian hill people talk about map 4b, ba, they issue referring to the portion of it that relates to rush nan hill not the other of more complex areas of the map. so -- i irrelevant think it is in the right to take an area the greatest deficit. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please.

>> good evening the task force i'm nancy tongue a board member of sf cause and democratic county cent roll committee. currently in d 9. and i have been callingly and i'm call nothing again to express my support for map 4b. the map address said population growth. for each neighborhood [inaudible] that is split. a lot of people i heard commenting today have talked about existing reps with supervisors but i will say this, you know i don't care if they go in d 9 or 10 and d 11 together. but the community should be together. the solution of american voting

power in the left redistricting is something. the task force will remedy significant and important and to the extent that it silenced voices something this i hope that the task force will take seriously. now the district draws the lines that the shape the city. what i say is thank you for your independent gentlemen and reasons on the important issues i'm shockd and surprised but not shockd and surprised. instead of open discourse the conversation evolveed, tax on individual commissioners. and that there is an attempt to admonish to remove commissioners. commissioners.

thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> hello. we will take note of this the time we receive this call and have the comments trnz litted. for the speaker. please, begin. >> okay, thank you.

thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> thank you. i'm chris bark are a redent of potrero hill. i want to thank you for the courage to make tough decisions in the face of surprising attacks. there are, lot of competing acts here and some people will be unhelp with the maps that the draw. i'm not going to pretend this i'm a member of a disadvantaged community but i feel like our neighborhood has more in common with the dog patch in terms of shared history and struggles and makes less sense it split from the dog patch than foinld i way

to keep the 2 together. thank you very much for your time here. >> thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> hello will my name is meg i'm a district 8 residence den and mother of 2 children in know front i'm thankful other work the task force has been doing. thank you for stanning up to political pressure. and most of all thank you for center being your w to redistrict the city to ensure fair representation today and the future. equality matters 1 vote is the bases for democracy. it is in the here to protect the stats quo or special interests or here to protect the power of individual politicians.

equity money giving each person equal voting power. we must folk ulgs on the preponder ligz of the eastern foergz everportions of our city and, count for the growth in the east. mroedz continue to work from this. fur b like bravo is the map to address population growth. we have to acknowledge the greenhouse effect and we can't continue giving less voice to the people and making. thank you for your time and your service. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. thank you this is i'm calling as an i have to say that i support

you guys. work you have done and i'm just shocked at the ref ligzs how people, politicians who are supposed to remain on the side lines are going all in make thanksgiving personal. understand members could be removed if there is you know a poor job. if there is mismanagement but i have been with you every step and don't agree with everything but you have been up standing and done anup standing job. i grew up in the city. a green party, worker's party. i'm embarrassed at when progressives have turned into and when they are doing now and i stand with you and the job you are doing. keep at it. home stretch, we got your back.

that is when you gotta know and you know whatever side we come on -- we got your back. stick in there we will stick up for you you are stick up for us. thank you. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> good evening i'm jeff revvingal residents of san francisco since then 76. i think we roleized the redistricting press is a full on battle with progressive and immediateerates in the city. interesting considering each the meetings starts youring political enters for correspondidates even though everyone is aware from the beginning. that is what this it is about. clearer demonstrated by obvious that everyone mobilization by

both sides and the scripted comments. all the coi's are hard socioeconomic and around land use and criminal justice. there is in way considering the source of the appointments or the organizations some of measures after them when consider the fairness of the process. as far as the map boarders go d4 is urn the population. moving those neighborings from the map and d 7 and moving d 4 bound row from 19th to funston and flult deviation of points for 3% the commune are interest we expand in the inner sunset this makes sense and no reason not to be considering them.

thank you for your consideration and time. >> hi. can you hear mow. why we can hear you. okay. i'm a member of the bhp and like to thank you for a foiblely accepting our idea to put lurl in the sunset district. we wish for the students from the high school from all citied with high schools to attend i summer program and veterans in math and science offered boy the ati group in sunset. it is hopeed join the fourth. we help that the pel trolla district in the 10th.

we can't give much to when we wish for but you are doing the best you can. thank you. why thank you for sharing comments, next speaker, please. am hi. i'm jan ferien a resident of district 2 i want to district my comment at the redistricting task force in support of each and every member wing on the initiative for months. ive upon sustained with the redistricting task force and the decision they have all chosen fair low to do. i would like it reity rit support for the evolution of map 4 b. sea cliff in onin are sunnet and mcgonigleden gate in d sxeven reu notice port with visitation valtow protect the acl xunt and

their voice heard. i want to emphasize that there is a lot of noise from loud voice fist you look they have all coming from one or 2 districts the process is transparent and fair and dem crediteck. and we should not allow them to intrefr the press because one supervisor is upset about outcome. thank you very much. thank you for sharing your comments, next speaker, please. >> hi. >> i'm benita and called men times. i just wanted thank the task force some of you were appointed by the mir some boy the board and 3 member lee, rein and cooper by the san francisco election's commission who are threatening to remove you

because some a few political group and lected pol suspicion tigzs are in the getting there are way with the mapping you with other clothes begin within00% and served with integrity and fairness that goes for all of you. >> who said this was i wuk in the park. the population changed. people are leaving san francisco buzz they don't feel safe living here. and it is expensive. the task force you rose to the challenge. tru civil servants who don't get compensated for what you are doing. tax fiesing family time, health and jug emyour lives for the past few montes to be in long meetings that run through the notice. when you are not in motings you are up with community and cult roll groups.

again, on your time, your dime. the 4e map is in progress. put your heads together and election election commissioners dot right thing got hearing be trough and honest and don't let a few politicians bully or scare you they can't accept and fearful no one will support them should the map move. you took on this duty because you love your city like we all do. >> next speaker, please. thank you for sharing your comments. i'm calling distraught about when i'm seeing and hearing. why is this ms. clanked chandler from before. yes. we are on the same agenda item

you spoke on we have to move on the it next speak peep can't speak a second time. thank you. >> i have concerns about the mapping process. my concerns are capture in the an article in the 48 hills journal. i like to read it. as much of it as i can and ask the task force members to comment. the title is -- big rolls royce in gop money is a move to gerrymander san francisco districts. why does the task force change direction. what is going on behind the scenes. writer quote it is an e mail that was written boy a nick po

del. special quotes the e mail we are in the final week of the redistricting process. and it is better than i dreamed the draft map 4 b will slip 3 districts with progressive sproirzs to mod rit majority and 2 other districts which are progressive majority competitive with a 50/50 voting block split. the progressive -- organized enough. . would you fill out one click e mail attachd and support of the redistricting map 4b now. the redistricting task force found no audio.

task force members to commentom this and responded and take objection to it address those to the writer. thank you. >> thank you for sharing, next speaker, please. >> yes. i'm julie sue and i'm on the california democratic party board since 2005 and lead cochair of the number. i want to commends the task force you had an arduous task. y seen each one of you be fair and just in your deliberation bunkham your considerations. being heard distinctively not mean you get your way. stack force lynched to comment for hours that's why they dot mapping after the meet and in the late hours. and for people to criticize that

is one thing but personal attack system appalling perhaps we should go back when we didn't have district elections i'm a fourth generation san francisco and before we went to district elections we had more women. we had more ap i's the large minority group the largest minority group more representation then. i agree with what you are doing it stay difficult task we had population change and i will be there to challenge anybody on the election commission who wants remove the 3 members and dot good work we have your back we are all dedicated to making sure san francisco is represented. for those of you personal attack others way to do temperature no. look at fair and just.

thank you very much. thank you for sharing your comments we have one more caller in the queue could we be connected to the call or the topic of mapping. >> hi, this is -- hi. can you hear me. >> yes, please, begin. this is hilary i call in the a couple times i'm president of the glen park association and call in the on behalf of the association. but i'm calling on behalf of myself and i want to say hai want to stay with our communities that we are neighbors with that does not money we want to pick a supervisor. i am seeing a lot of callers saying they think they should be a way buzz they want a person's

district i think this is wrong. i don't think how this process should work. and i think that it is trough that the population groups of the city has been uneven over the last decade and should be balanced and people in district 6 and 10 if we don't increase the area of the west side district the people in 6 and 10 are going to be under represented. i don't want to see san francisco board of supervisors turn to a version of the u.s. senates where certain people have more voice and votes are more powerful than others because of the place where they live. the low density accomplices. people in high density don't deserve to have votes dillowed i'm horrified by what is happening with the election commission. -- i want to commends you for the w you are doing i know you are all volunteers it it is up

me to see personal, taxes and attempts to remove commissioners task force members dog their best this process. thank you very much. i appreciate the opportunity. thank you for sharing your comments we have more caller in the queue. we have someone when joined us in 408 i will bring this speaker forward at the lect urn. >> i'm john dunbar 18 year residence denial of district 5 and act itch in local pol teches president of homeowner's association in the fillmore district. i have to say the district 5 loirns that connect where i live and the tl and central soma does not make sense. i don't see the community of interest. and the fact is jeopardy an town which is small has may be 5,000

people in san francisco. i being be wrong. am they are cut in half. they are disadvantaged boy in map. look at the neighborhood who is have been advantaged that would be sea cliff. i don't know anyone who identifies live nothing richmond and rusian hill. last fall the judiciarying town community organized. defeatd that proposal and so you know a few montos the reward is to cut them in half that is in the fair to j town or district 5 i hope that can be correchere.

thank you for sharing your comments, look out in the rom to see if there is anyone more, we have a couple folks remote. being you connect us to the next speaker, please? >> good evening i'ming carol eto i'm a voter in san francisco for over 50 years special i'm very appalled at the attacks of 3 of your members being challenged

for integrity. than i were each vetted before they were appointed by election's commission and i help that at the special hearing tomorrow this the commission will regain insight what is really going on with the action. but as important i want to thank the hours for your hours of service. uncompensated and -- for your support to keep japantown and western edition together in district 5. previous speaker referred to the japanese-american community is 115 years olds in this city. criminalitied tremendous low over the last 75-80 years since they were sent, way from the city during the war.

i want to thank you for the consideration, i live in district 7 and appreciate the consideration of the omi community thatments to go become to district 11. i'm a previous member of our homeowner's situation and you understand 've understands that this -- this joint 10 years ago was disruptive to the district's omi community people and residents and i hope that the bounds easier to, luhem to go become to 11 will be respected to your next few days of deliberations. thank you very much. >> thank you for sharing your comments. do we have more callers who want to provide public comment. why mr. clerk there are no callers in the queue y. we reached the end of public

comment. we heard from 121 speakers today i think is the same number as last night. >> thank you. close public comment. mr. -- chasel lee. >> thank you. i was thinking of having a conversation about the monopolies unless people want a break first. >> about to have a conversation about the mapping but it seems people want a break first. >> that's what i was getingly red to do. i think we have been here since you all since 3 o'clock it is now 8 i think we need a dinner break. i do. and i just need little guidance on how long it should be y. 30 minutes. that's fine with me. i don't know what is close we will figure it out.

we will -- recess until it is 7:52. say 8:30 not sooner than 8:30. we are in recess, thank you.

>> the redistricting task force is called back on order out of recess. we will start mapping but i think we node to say is that we will be in session at 3 o'clock several of our members have to be at election's commission at 1. . 30 and i will be there as 1. . 30 but become by 3. . >> okay. so -- i'm ready when you are. >> the item this is is called is mapping that it is agenda item tw on today's agenda we heard from 121 vases during public

comment this was taken prior to recess and -- i see names in the roster waiting from you mr. chair on mapping. why let's get started with the names. mr. chasel lee. where second, mr. chair. >> i slept 2 hours last night. why me, too. i started mapping after the impact of yesterday's votes. >> and -- if jamie can pull up the map i would like to -- um -- yes. so -- i -- like to map. okay. i'm sorry. i would like to start -- the portal -- the vote having gone

the way it did, i think it is only improper to put it become where it is now. because that it is the least change option for that area. so -- if we could put portal in university mound back to district 9. gi didn't understand the last part you said? >> putting the partol on university mound north of mans fell in district 9. that's -- it is pretty comprehensive. that's where you are putting perral. >> where it was before. why okay. >> had is up -- i'm putting

forth before -- and north of mansesfell. g g into district 9.mansesfell. g into district 9. highlighted area is north area in portal and university mund and mc clarin park to the north and deviation of district 10 negative 3.81%.

the next starting in at mission street at 280. for parts going to district 8. mission street all the way up to valencia. >> one moment, please.

where the cursor is now is where mission and valencia intersect. >> and go further up to 22nd. to 22nd. >> yes. >> thank you. >> and then up. to market street.

and including parts currently or commit this change and like i guess undo the change from left time with parts west east into district 9. >> parts east of -- mint hill. thank you. >> yes.

starting at frederick and stanyon parts in going to district 5. -- east along frederick to buena vista park. and wrapping around buena vista to the east to waler. to steiner. east along waller to steiner and south on steiner to herman and

herman to buchanan. yea. and then north on buchanan to hate to octavia. and then up market street >> one moment. buchanan to octavia. buchanan to hate. hate to octavia. >> okay. that is the concern one. i think -- buena vista part is frederick to buena vista west. and wrapping around the park. to district 5.

cool. >> the area here in golden gate park? is there anything -- >> put it in five for now. we can argue over that later. and then um -- where are we now? 5ba. if we could head east to dog

patch. um -- put everything south of mayor marposa to d10. the wedge west of the freeway. head north d3 to market street.

the last one being the most controversial part -- go to market and eighth oh , one wedge. . the census block on both sides of market. >> d. why and 3. >> yea. >> market and eighth from d5 to d6 and north on market to jones. or before you do that, turn on

the cultural direct map layer? >> one moment, please. from -- eighth and mark up market to jones. north on jones to geary and geary to market. upon one moment, please.

one moment, please. i will submit and zoom out. and that is mixed in -- [inaudible]. >> i with hold [inaudible]. that's find this it is a

proposal i did all this for us to discuss it. yea. mr., are you -- all the districts are within population rate. i was just in the queue to get the cultural district in district 6. who is this tonight. one? >> yea >> somebody took it off. >> okay. thank you. the first member -- chasel lee

was portal f. i would like to talk about portal well a bit. why somewhat inspired by the conversation we had yesterday with member pierce we were able to have an open and honest conversation about what we are facing. and i want to thank you member pierce and thank you member lee the conversation we had yesterday that was hard and i think we handle today with maturity and honesty. so -- with had i'd like for us to be honest about the portal f. clerk. carol there was a link that i had -- that's right. i pass today off to the remote

team i believe the possesses the e mail i forward friday member ho has linked documents member ho wants to display. we will call those forward. i believe there were 2 links in the e mail? >> yea. perhaps the second one? and if -- if i can get an audio confirmation from the remote team to -- joe is having a technical catch up tell be a moment. twhiel is coming up i'd like to tell mrin to my fellow task force members when we will look at. again, for the past month we have been asking about language minorities and where they live in san francisco. we recognized in the federal

voting right's act we talk about every meeting prior to the meeting of the communities protected under the voting right's act. explained to us we cannot draw lines based on race. language minorers paw tuck and he native and latin languages. and -- in the federal voting right's act for 2020 the 2 discs protected are spanish and chinese. instructionos how to pull this data and because what we have on the u.s. san francisco government website we can look at languages.

but it come up by district. so when it come up by district it is in district 9 it look like there is a bit of chinese language speakers but we don't know where they live. they did not live in the mission district and that they lived in portal f. when i followed the instructions -- that begin mow on how to pull the data this is what we came up with. i have the slide i'm if you being call up the slide on the screen here. this is a dynamic web page. [stand by for captioner change]

>> i'll try to snapshot what i'm looking on my computer and give

you an image so we can be looking at the same thing. sorry, just bare with me. it won't take more than a few seconds. >> i'm sending an e-mail right now. >> let me bring up the slides for the task force. hey, there we go. [laughter] >> i just sent it to you as a screenshot as well. here we go. you concludes -- you can use one of those panels to extend the image or enlarge the image.

yeah, there we go. so, what we see here is a heat map of limited english speaking chinese. don't mind the red numbers. they're not a number of the population and that's how they named each square and i don't know how to take it off because i'm not too good at this stuff but what we see here is basically the image of what the public has been telling us. we've had callers call in for months. most often in chinese. a few times in english. but they would like their communities to be united between potrero and pay view and they tell -- between portola and bay view and

they're representing low-income voices and this is an immigrant community and historically underrepresented and marginalized. from the redistricting from the process that happened ten years ago and ten years before that. we're looking at the results of gerrymandering. when we talk about what we're here to do, we're talking about how we want to protect the most vulnerable communities. we want to diminish people of color and this community is systematically disadvantage and they're calling in on their behalf. they don't have cbo's calling on their

behalf and having nonprofits calling on their behalf. they're calling on their own time and you remember early in the redistricting process, it was a mess. they didn't know what the double beats were and there would be an empty line and there were a couple arguing and they didn't know when to speak and we worked on this over and over again so day after day, they got better and better at it. and with the leaders as well. oefrmly the translator -- originally the translators did not jump in and translate how and when to listen to the peep or when your hand is raised and eventually after a few tries, they got there. so, i understand that hard decisions to be made and we're required by law to be

within five percent variance of population of every district but i want you guys, the public and i want this task force to look at what our job is. we are literately breaking up the most vulnerable community that you, we all proposed to say we're here to protect. so, he wanted to present this -- i wanted to present this information to us so we can see it and we know what we're looking at so the data is here to support the voices and the public testimony that has come to us at every meeting. i understand they were just a few callers and sometimes it's the few callers and we recognize their voices and they're the same color, but that's because they're not well

organized and they're not well organized because they're marginalized because through this redistricting process they have been, so that's all. i just want us to be real. i wanted us to have an honest conversation about what portola looks like in relation to bay view and why the communities have been begging us to keep them united. that's all. >> i'm sorry, i lost my screen. >> it's on mine. i don't know why you don't have it. >> i got it back. guest two, who is that? >> thank you for that, member ho. i appreciate the words and i think it is important than

incumbent than all of us us to keep those together and someone who immigranted. i see that in places like the tenderloin where we have people who are challenged lin guess stickily and navigate san francisco democracy which is even more challenge and i see the challenges they face often and this is actually a nice parallel within the chinese community where they come here sometimes speaking only spanish and speak another indigenous language and i have seen that with all the variety of dialects in chinese

and how that further complicates issues, right. challenges around communication and there's bias around certain ways of talking, right, so i definitely, i appreciate it. thank you for the reminder which is peaceful. i would ask dca to give us a little bit of information as to why in the memo around the voting rights acts section two, there's barely mention about language minorities and it's mentioned twice. there's a lot of pages of analysis around race but nothing really taking into language minority. >> so, as i've briefly mentioned

when we spoke about the vr analysis a few weeks ago or a couple of weeks ago and it feels like a long time ago, in terms of definition and terms used and i don't know if you remember the reference as well, the reasons that i think are oddly, odd statutory history and minority refers to things like asian populations and maybe statutory drafting but they're covered in the analysis we provided to the task force and provided to the general public lately so we looked at asian-american groups and where they are in san francisco to determine whether we had obligations under the voting rights act to create vr districts and we've concluded there was not. >> thank you. >> does that answer your question? >> sort of. so when you talk about majority minority

districts in the voting rights act, are you talking inclusive of the language minorities as well? >> that's correct. >> got it, thank you. >> thank you. guest one. >> who is that? >> cooper. >> the vote last night was the harder around potrero hill and portola and in relates to what councilmember lee pointed out, the results of that, potrero, the natural result is bring, retain portola in district nine and all the changes on the front half made a lot of sense

bringing the line between eight and nine back east towards guerrero and valencia and bringing it to upper and lower valero made sense. it's a tough one and the unfortunate results of this map that we are working on today. it puts us in some uncomfortable situations around the tenderloin and selma and the communities we have heard about their connections. when talking about what a four b based map is going to do to this area, the original option was to have tenderloin in d five and includes parts of selma in d5.

to me, i thought it made sense and it was a good start. i think the conversations i've had with folks since then, since monday night and the conversations the public feedback we have hear since then and having that central bit of selma taking out and separated from west selma is likely a bridge too far and likely something we should not really be exploring. but that brings us to what else do we do here? we're stuck with another force -- we either see the tenderloin as defined or we split up the transgender cultural district and both those choices and i'm not sure i would find myself supporting either direction, but that's the aspect

of this map we should focus on and have a robust discussion around. >> mr. chasel lee. >> thank you, mr. chair. first of all, i want to thank member ho for both setting forth the facts and makes it real, right. we can rationalize what we did, however we like, but and a lot of those rationales are valid. i'm not going to discount the validity. back to member cooper's choice, right. redistricting is also choices. and we should just say, like,

what we did as ramification, negative ramification and we just have to say we -- this is what we accepted. and just be upfront about that. i guess i forgot to explain the rational. this is round two of my explaining why i did what i did. i guess the first one was obvious. it's to bring b ten into population and pretty much leaving it as is for lack of better options. sending it to d11 creates a tribulation and omi and we don't need that. the

d8 border is contentious and we heard so much testimony from the very beginning from the valencia corridors and we heard testimony from the latinx community. and we heard testimony from the lgbtq community, right. we had lgbtq leaders come in -- as a queer person myself and not having said anything about it, yeah, i deserved it. and during my discussion with equality california and other lgbtq, they cascaded me. okay, i deserve it. i think it's time for us to -- i think this is a way of --

uplifting those choices and that's why i made the decision to review night the transgender community the way i did. from the conversations that i had, what apprised -- what they apprised most was keeping it together. we kept it, as member cooper mentioned, we kept it together with the tenderloin district 5. or we could review night in district 6. what they cared about was unity and given the way 5b works, not 5b, this is 4b, the way 4b works. this is one way of both uniting the transgender cultural district, putting it the same district as the leather and lgbtq cultural district which we, which as

someone pointed out, we split and our second move in d6, this keeps, except for that wedge. i think the district 6 which is now district 9, but we might have to fix that later. we can fix it now, thank you. >> that's one census log that goes on both sides of 13th and can go in either district. >> i think we don't -- we can have that conversation later. this is -- and filipino is whole as member castillon pointed out. this is one way to do it under the current configuration. if we

stick with this map and i want to mention to the public, as an aside, but it's an important point that four d is alive and i said that when we voted. before d, it's still alive. if people on the south don't want to switch, we can always can, but this is a way of unifying the two cultural districts who had so much testimony and they wanted to put in the same district and keeping it together and i will, go back to where i started, i will acknowledge that the painful and definitely

impactful choice of splitting the tenderloin in this way, that's really all i have right now. >> mr. chair, i see no member - i see hernandez in the roster. >> thank you. so, obviously, a lot of thoughts there. so i'm going to start over on the valencia chunk. obviously, we heard a great variety of opinions around this area, right. it is, it was interesting to hear, a rear amount of time

-- for a rear amount of time, two communities or sub communities within the lgbtq community, the latinx and then the non-latinx talk about the differences in perspective around their relationship with valencia, right, so that's something i want to uplift, right. and of course, the massive amount of testimony that we heard from the mission community and the feeling of not feeling whole, right and then to say nothing of the america-indian cultural district, which of course is incredibly important. this of course does not make it whole and i think they've made it very clear that they don't necessarily want to be whole. they recognize that with the current demographics of the districts that that's not possible. what i will say is that i think we might be able to come to a compromise around how

-- if it's going to go all the way out to guerrero or down the alley ways, so i mean, i think and it's terrible to say this, i think we need to ask them explicitly if there's a compromise that would allow them to feel comfortable, right and it's short notice, but i mean, it's a significant proposal. so, i'm going to, yeah, i'm going to withhold content on that part. then, going up, i want to talk a little bit about d5. because yeah. this is a big one. so, earlier today, we've received all -- a redistricting proposal. i believe it's the -- it's the building tower in redistricting

and they went through a series of district deeply analyzed, deeply analytical and i really appreciate it and i would love for it to be incorporated as a coy, perhaps recognized neighborhood at the very least and if possible for it to be digitalized so we could overlay it and one thing that jumped out at me that elicit a lot of thought, the first place i've lived was in that area and a lot of the work that i did about organizing was in that area and i remember very well going up door-to-door and what is now the north of the panhandle and several times being admonished because i called it nopa and i was told this is a western district. i was told that time and time again; right. i don't

want us to be in a position where we're saying, this place is no longer a black community and i think that that is what we heard time and time again. and i think if we're going, rightfully make lower ashbury, we have to make the western district whole on the other side of the panhandle across the panhandle. i don't think that, i would not be able to forgive myself for splitting the western addition in the north of the panhandle particularly when we have clear guidance around the relationships and the important cultural locations there. and so, yes. i really do believe that if we're going to, again, rightfully talk about united

haight ashbury, we need to make the rest the western addition whole. if that's something folks are comfortable with, then great. we can do it. otherwise, i withhold consent until we talk about that issue because it's very important, i think. yeah. then, i mean, the question that's slating the tenderloin, so i have a very different recollection about hearing from the folks in the cultural districts in district 6. yes, they of course want it to be whole, right. but they also made it very clear that they were here in unity, right. that they were here in unity to keep the tenderloin whole and the south of market. as i've said many times, i'm perfectly aware we cannot make all of it whole.

something has got to give; right. i have given many reasons why it should not, at least in part the merchant communities and i do want to highlight we have heard today and many times how a lot of what we're going through is because of the mass growth we have seen in district 6 and that growth is not going to stop and it's going to continue in the emergent communities. to me, it's contra -- it's contradictory to say, oh, they're keeping it together and next time pass the buck down. i think it's non-sense cal. they clearly say emergent community, plural. okay. i understand and if i have, had it my way, i would be final lowing

all communities of interest remain together, obviously, right. if they have that infinity -- and for them to have that infinity, but for us to go after the tenderloin and go after the most vulnerable and diverse neighborhoods in the community and have them split up, right, and use the excuse of what we're hearing from the cultural districts, it's -- we need to keep the most vulnerable communities in mind, okay. and i also will reiterate that in the emergent communities and i got the numbers here. just in my census block, we have built almost 2400 housing units. 400% in the last ten years. out of those merely, one thousand have been affordable housing

units. 1,000 in one census tract of four or five blocks. that's a tiny shiver of selma. if we pull out the tenderloin, all those living in affordable housing -- but it's important to highlight that many of them, the first priority are the fortunate westerns of the -- i acknowledge that. but that actually is something that we can and these people should perform. folks in city hall should perform. and to me, then putting them in a situation where i mean, essentially, victims of redevelopment evictions and gentrification across the city would not, they would be seen but they would have no voice in the process. they would be 30% of the population in this

d6. 30% from all over the city. black, asian, latino and indigenous. some of the poorest of the poor people and all because we are insistent on the fact that these emerging communities cannot possibly be broken up. to me, that's shocking, right, that we're talking now about splitting up the tenderloin. i cannot believe it. i mean, it's absurd, right. it's absurd we have told ourselves time and time again that we're not going to look at maps and consult maps and adopt maps and essentially what we have done with district 3 is adopt wholesale d3 united. we have told ourselves we will not send any of the future growth or past growth to d3. we have heard from china town tenants, the

infinity that exist with the housing neighborhood in the trans bay terminal and we know the benefit it would give them to have access to the affordable housing. again, yeah. i don't know. i mean, i'm utterly shocked it's thursday at 9:30, two days before deadline. i mean, a day and a half at this point, right. and we're literally now talking about splitting up the tenderloin. and again, i have heard from the majority here that we will not touch the emerging communicates and i think i can give you plenty of specific reasons and how we would trump in a permanent way, they're voting now. i don't really understand why there is to argue. 30 to 40% of residents that are making less than 50, $60,000, entire

families, again, folks that come from the western addition, hunters point, evicted out of the mission, out of the richmond and out of the portola. we're putting them in a neighborhood where they're 70% of people, half of them making more than $250,000. i mean, it's a challenge, but unless we confront the fact that that is the challenge that we're doing, all we're doing here right now is just, redlining 20 or '2022. people will study this map in one hundred years and say how could these people have done that. how could these people have taken 30% affordable housing, dropped it into a neighborhood, exclusively with no anchor point like the tenderloin. to me we need to

discuss this question but the question around the western -- i mean, the hate. when i saw this map and when we split it that way i was heartbroken to see areas get split off. to me it meant we had given up on the other side of the visa -- divisadero. >> mr. jeremy lee. >> so many things to comment on. first of all, i want to say to member chaseel lee and councilmember ho for advocating. i understand your position and my aunt lives on university street. i have family that lives out there. and i get what it feels like to have a community, to be a part of a community that

is so isolated so and so -- so neglected for the city so thank you for your advocacy. in terms of the map before us, you know, i want to thank chasel lee for working out the percentages and listening to district 5 we heard from that were heartbroken that their being moved out of their community. but you know, to member hernandez gil and the area around the tenderloin, you know, i just truly feel that the tenderloin needs to be in district 6. i appreciate what member chasel, what you did with

putting together philippine that and the (indiscernible) district and trans cultural district. like yourself, i was admonished of it for not speaking up about the other minorities that i hold. i'm a queer man and it's something i'm not super comfortable talking about publicly. whether it's just an asian couple upbringing, but it's not something i'm fully comfortable talking about all-time time and some of the comments that really resonated with me yesterday were the folks from the leather district, from the trans district saying that, like, san francisco is one of the few, it's the only place in the world where, that gives --

that gives a crap about who they are. when you're queer, you're not born into this culture. it is something that you have to learn. it's something that, like, that is taught to you by friends and there's a certain beauty in having that chosen family and it's something that is sacred and needs to be protected because you know, like, in san francisco, throughout all the changes we have been experiencing, i think one thing that has always remained constant is that san francisco is a (indiscernible) to our city. treat everyone with respect and be kind and come as you are, you know. you can dye your hair pink and love who you love and this city will accept you and that is something that i

always want to preserve. and the have the trans community and the leather community. it's essentially -- it's a community -- this community of other variety of people and they share so much of that with the tenderloin. the tenderloin is such a diverse place. just in the 200 block alone of turk, street, there's the high concentration of arabic families in city and they fight so hard to get resources and access that, you know, and just working together with other folks who are in that same position. so, you know, that is why i feel that it is so imperative that the tenderloin, the trans district, selma filipino

district need to be together. thank you. >> guest 2. >> hi. i thought there was a guest 1 in the roster. oh, okay. sorry. thank you. so, number one, it's very imperfect, but thank you member chasel lee for getting us started with this map because it's a conversation piece and i feel like this is what we're supposed to be doing right now, is starting from somewhere and moving forward, right. and boy, if i go exactly

what member ho was talking about, my eyes will get wet because it's the truth and it's heartbreaking. on that note, i do want to back up what member hernandez gil was saying about district 5 simply because i'm not drawing any lines right now on that. but my mother was born on navy road in hunters point but by the time she was four, they moved to divisadero and haight and the panhandle was the neighborhood of the fillmore and i was one of those people because of that legacy that

fusses at people when they start calling places nopa. as you guys heard, i have issues with lower pacific heights and i get why all of this stuff has changed. we live in an evolving world, so things evolve. but it's really hard to see nopa and haight ashbury as not being the same thing, so that's my level of ex-temperizing because we're sleep derived and we need to get sleep and i wanted to weigh in on family members living on grove. it is the same neighborhood. what i really got

into the queue to discuss was the situation with the tenderloin. we have to be realistic in that we have two more mapping days and we have to come to some agreement but half or a quarter of the tenderloin is, like, a quarter of a district anywhere else, right. it's an impossible hole to plug. i'm a little bit confused about how we define emerging markets, how they define emerging market and where we go from there for the simple reason that when we had dog tact split from potrero

hill, and they were from miss patch and said dog patch needs to be merged. i don't now that looks but for that that was a split in how the emerging market were thinking of themselves and coming from d10 which we think we belong together but we have several splits on how we divide up, i can hear that and understand that and sympathize but i think we need to have that conversation about what exactly are the emerging markets and how they define them -- themselves and how and where does it rely and i understand you, commissioner castillon and how

we develop communities and neighborhoods, but i lean towards listening to people where they are. i think the preponderance of people from mission bay was grouping themselves in with south park and rincon hill and the east cut but i'm not sure, so i think that needs to be something that is on the table, again, not drawing that line, not arguing with anybody. member castillon and member hernandez gil, this is your neighborhood, right. so, i can't make that call, but i am very interested in that especially since the mission bay people are always reaching out to us in bay view like we're connected because we share the third street corridor, so that

would be my focus. it ain't my focus right now. i'm sleep derived and happy to go home and sleep a little bit but i do think we need to put a call-out to dog patch and the entire east cut emerging neighborhoods to weigh in on exactly where and how they define who they are. >> thank you. you were guest 2, right? >> yes. >> mr. castillon, you're up. >> thank you, members. thank you, chair. i think this is a robust discussion and we've had a lot of conversations on the trade-off. >> into the mic, please. >> and the trade-offs we have to be making. i'll start north of pan handle, i have heard this story time and time again about

how people -- how residents will get angry with you for calling it nopa and that's the historic western addition, i think it's something worth exploring in this configuration and trying to add parts of that area to district 5. when it comes to this question around the trade-off between unifying the cultural districts and splitting the tenderloin, i'm uncomfortable with splitting the tenderloin, at the same time i do recognize that the cultural districts have expressed a pretty strong desire to remain together and something has got to give with this configuration. but when it comes to the emerging communities, these neighbors have been coming to us since day one, really advocating to stay together. and i do want

to comment on this thing about affordable housing because frankly i find it classless to be honest to say they share with the tenderloin because we have been hearing from the bmr residents themselves within mission bay and these neighborhoods saying that they share affinity with their neighbors, with their neighbors that have higher incomes than them and it's because they've been building community together and what they see is that if they are to be moved a part, that jeopardizes everything they've been working to build for these decades and for the part that jeopardizes their neighborhood to have the community to thrive. i believe the reason why dog patch got lumped in there a little bit is because dog patch is similar in there has been a lot of development occurring there and there's an emerging aspect of it

all. we've heard quite a bit about dog patches connection with portreo hill, so i want to be mindful of that. the way i view this in particular is i think dog patch to some extent can be viewed as an emerging neighborhood in some capacity. i do want to, i do want to consider how that weighs with potrero historic ties to dog patch and we heard how they say there's a freeway that separates them but they feel affinity with one another in that regard. for me, i have always been very uncomfortable with the idea of separating the neighborhoods of rencon hills and -- rincon hills

and east beach because they have been coming together and we've heard from a range of voices from that regard. there's a reason i want to hone in on this -- and what we have been hearing from the bmr tenants in this area that they share affinity with their owe wealthier neighbors and they have been able to build their communities in that regard. so, that's what i have to say about the emerging communities. >> i want to remind the fv i have all the coy's loaded onto the map so if you want to see how the communities have been defining themselves so far i can display them quickly on the map if anybody would like that.

>> thank you. >> mr. chasel lee. >> thank you, mr. chair. i want to thank member pierce for characterizing this proposal for what it is correctly. it is a very imperfect starting point, right. because we have to start somewhere. and i want to say, make it very clear to the task force and the public that i do not anticipate the distinctive stand but i don't like -- i don't like trolling people for conversation, right, which is why i was so hesitant on us putting out maps and facilitating public input which is trolling public for a reaction. i know we live in a social media age, but that's not the way to do public policy. if

we are not to do this, my question is, what are your ideas? and i'm not saying in a sense to challenge people. but it's like okay, we now have this problem and we sort it as unacceptable and now we have to find solutions. i do want to say though, having -- being born and raised in this city, it was a very odd -- it was very odd for me to learn that the western boundary of the pl is polk, for one thing. that was never my understanding glowing up. it was

always van ness. i mean, elementary school itself is between polk and van ness. why would they build an elementary outside of their neighborhood. that doesn't make sense to me. i remember when i had conversations when i asked this point of why it was on polk and they responded with population. okay, sure, fine. that makes sense. they had a hard conversation and they settled on this. but i think, like, what are doing for the portola and we should call it out for what it is. under any proposal we have except for maybe the entire thing in d5 and we got a lot of con stan nation. it's also split. we have just said, it's worth -- we cannot stop

splitting here and not splitting there. and that's fine. those are perfectly valid points. you i don't think we should come here and say we're not splitting the pl because under any mass map that i have seen except for the one with all the (indiscernible) on d5, maybe some other ones i can't remember. i've only had two hours of sleep. when the line is on polk, the pl is already split. let's call it out for what it is. and so, i would say okay, i also want to say to member hernandez gil, i got all your -- i got all your points and they're very valid and i'm

glad that you put that on the record. and so, i will go back and ask my fellow members, it's not this, then what because only that can move us forward. and i'll say that's a challenge. i say that in good faith and that's all. >> >> guest one. is that you. >> i'll get to your question in a little bit. i got some ways to get to that but we'll get there. i do want to talk about, i want to talk about dog patch a little by. i think it's an interesting conversation. dog patch is a fascinating neighborhood and i have done a lot of work there for work. it has a lot of the same similarities, same things going on in the communities and

they have a lot of new construction and they're going to continue to have new construction in the pier 70, irish hill area and that's going to give it a lot of that same flavor and have the same needs as mission bay, as rincon hill and east cut. but just a strong historic cord has a block of row homes and a strong connection to the cherry hill with the dog patch neighborhood association and potrero booster and there's a connection there. my preference would be something that keeps dog patch with potrero hill. when the numbers called for that split, that's a split i would be comfortable with, but i do think testified community connection there is strong. on haipt hate and -- on the haight and pan handle and my

neighborhood and i'm near buena vista park and i -- the lower haight and upper haight, they have connections obviously -- my community of interest right there going right through there, 7 and all those connections are important. i do think that lower haight has this strong connection to the fillmore and it was the first to be back out of district 5. between upper haight and northern pan handle, my preference would be a lot of them in the panhandle area would go into district 5. the one issue with that is the numbers within this map. so, that would be a concern i would have. i do also want to talk about this question of emerging

neighborhoods and how the tenderloin fits into that conversation. i think, for me, we've heard a lot about the connections between the tenderloin and west selma and central selma because they've built a shared community and they have a lot of similar needs and similar relationships to the city. i don't necessarily see that same connection with all -- with the emerging neighborhoods. i think it's -- given the maps we have looked at, if we have the tenderloin and western selma together, it's going to be alongside at least some of the emerging neighborhoods and i think it comes back to what councilmember castillon mentioned, 30% of affordable housing is, it's a lot. that's a lot -- you know, it's not enough clearly, obviously. don't get me wrong there, but i think i would, given how close and closely thought and closely

competed elections are in this city, 30% is -- it's more than representative to care about and be responsive to that group of people. it's not like we're isolating a group of people like moving the (indiscernible) site. they may not be voting the same or thinking the same. no one is a block that i think -- when it comes to how the function of the city in thinking about how supervisors function and how supervisor offices work with the community, i think and as we have heard from the organizers from those communities, there is that there. i think that will, this leads into the sort of -- my answer to chasel's question which is where do we go from

here. i do strongly and really appreciate this map and what chasel is able to do, sorry, thank you, member chasel lee was able to do with this map. come on, we had this map last night and we finished at whatever time, 3:00 a.m. last night and in that time, we've had to respond to several sunshine requests. we both found out that tomorrow we have to go before the election of commissions to defend our service and he still had time to make a map with dozens of changes and it's really -- i really do think, happy to have discussions about valencia and the haight and happy to have discussions and the tenderloin discussions is what we have to have with this map and i do think this is more or less as good as this map is

going to get. i think all the other options with district 6, first of all, i think once we have the vote yesterday on potrero hill, d9, no-brainer. that works. d5, those changes make sense and i think, yeah, with this map, i think having to have the market street line on this map is within this context of this map. that's the choice you would have to make. beyond that, you're talking about going north and we're talking about making changes that aren't anything -- they're difficult changes from this map. so, what i want to bring us back to then and as i'm talking about what sort of proposal i think would work and i don't want us to have a real conversation about the trade-offs that we're making with this map verses four b and

with, sorry, four d and this is going to bring us back to talking about russian hill. i know it was -- a lot of folks -- i agree that we did not hear from anyone in russian hill that they wanted to be moved into district 2. i'll agree to that. we also have never heard about anyone in the tenderloin wanting to split from -- split from jones or the transgender community split. we haven't heard anyone from the panhandle, from the folks that call the western district or call it the north pan handle neighborhood association which is to be in d5. and i think you know, one of the other changes, with this map, we did bring the projects together so that's something this map has, but when you weigh

the trade-offs that we had to make on this map and where we got to on this map, when you weigh those against the trade-offs of moving russian hill to district 2 and yes. knowing after that and yes, we'll have to have conversations about far west selma and the parcels in the lgbtq district. but i think we can make it work. one other point on where we are with four b is, yes, the polk, i agree. i do think that van ness really is the true western boundary of the tenderloin. i understand that the tenderloin community was willing to give back to polk except for the elementary school for the sake of numbers but i do agree that having -- working in this neighborhood and spending time in this neighborhood, i do agree that we -- that the tenderloin

is this go all the way to van ness. but i think that's possible within the framework of four d, so that all being said, i still, as i said on monday and i still firmly believe this and it's why after the russian hill vote i said we should move to this map and take a look at this map. i believe without russian hill moving to d2, that there's no -- without that moving into d2, there's no way for that map to work and i do not know, i've tried, i have not put as much time as member chasel lee, but i've worked really hard on trying to make a version of four d work that also honored that motion and honored that vote of keeping russian hill in d3. and

between that vote and the other discussions of the members, i couldn't find a slougs -- find a solutions that works and i don't know if that's a solution that works and by works, i don't know if this is a solution that has five votes and i want to have a discussion about the trade-offs. >> guest 2. >> it's becoming, i think, pretty apparent to me that the difference here is around what we mean by fair and effective representation. right. we talk about this question of one person, one vote, right but we always understand that even that, when we see these maps, it's not actually that. when we see citizen voting age, we know it's non-citizens and we know children are not being counted, right. so we know there's a complexity to this question of

one person, one vote. that's why we use the adjusted table. that's why the adjusted tables include the prison population because we want to make sure that these people are counted, right. but also within this question of what is fair and effective representation, we need to take into account and again, the california constitution comes very clearly that communities that have different living standards, that have different and similar or different work opportunities, that is something to take into account. that is something important. we know that a block can max out the contribution every single time while another group is barely able to make rent or why not have income. that has consequences. that is what fair and effective representation is about. and it

might sound shocking to people to talk about it in this way. they might perceive it as you rightfully say, classless, but i think that's ultimately the question of why we are here, to challenge ourselves and talk about it in terms of fair and effective representation in all of its nuances. we acknowledge that immigration status, we acknowledge that age, we acknowledge that race and all these things put together make it complex. i don't understand the hesitation around acknowledging that income and wealth have an impact and that's why oakland is split north and south because of that acknowledge of wealth and income. the challenge we have with the emerging communities and before i go on, i want to state i have lived in my house in rincon hill for 11 years and

i have been a founding member and they do incredible work. i get no pleasure of making this argument but i think it's a -- it's a fair argue. to make and that's why we're here and that's okay and that's why for me, this question of, russian hill into d2 is a no-brainer. we know it's a stable community. we know it's a stable community that is not at-risk of displacement of gentrification. i think even they would be perfectly willing to recognize that. and we also know that many parts of d3 of what is now d3 north beach and china town are not as stable and at risk. it makes complete sense for us to say, you know, we don't want to dilute, hinder their ability to achieve fear and effective representation. to me, again, that is why we're

here. that's a fundamental reason. probably the only reason we're here because otherwise, an -- an algat hr im can do that. i see our discussions being (indiscernible), right. people are uncomfortable talking about wealth and income as if it didn't have income in fair representation. i don't know how that can be possible. it takes money to win elections and it's a factor. when we talk about -- the amount of influence and effort it takes, somebody who is making $50,000 for an entire block, compared to 70% of them

making $250,000 is huge. it's a notion. it's as simple as that. anyway. what i will say is this, we have plenty of examples if the last year or so where we saw that conflict. right now, i feel completely comfortable in telling you 90% of the challenges we face in rincon hill and east cut is the same as well but we have things like, the vendors over at oracle park, the janitors at task force. these are differences that are related to this question, living standards and opportunities and at some point there will be conflicts and we need to give those communicate to have that fair and equal representation and i say that with no exaggeration. the way the map looks now, it will be studied as

a way to recreate the worst elements of redlining and it will allow people to be voiceless. they'll take advantage of their beautiful neighborhoods and like i said, i love my neighborhood. i think it's clean, it's safe. a lot of it, thanks to the great work that the working class people of the east cut doing the cleaning are doing and i want to honor that. i think it is worth acknowledging that and if we want to recreate a city that's inclusive, that acknowledges, for example, the terrible tragedies of redevelopment in hunters point and the western addition and they're rightfully placed at the top of that reference, i want to make sure when they go in there and somebody comes in and says, actually, we want to remove rent control or we want to sell off this property, that they have the ability to defend them selves, that's what fair and effective representation is about. i mean, i think this is

going to come to a vote. i don't think we're going to come to an agreement about it. that's unfortunate. right. but i reiterate, i'm very, i'm scared at this point that we're 24, 48 hours in from this decision, right and i don't think we're on the same page about what we mean by fair and effective representation, but it makes -- bringing up money is perceived as something uncomfortable. i mean, it's real. obviously, it's real. so anyway. and also, i want to say for the record, i know many of the people that called in. that's why i have been very careful to say bmr renters. there's a difference in living standards between a bmr renter and bmr owner. that's why i act like that's true.

>> vice-chair. >> it was a loading place because i keep wanting to speak and member hernandez gil keeps hitting the button before me. >> we have a few people. >> go ahead. >> i didn't see your name. i didn't see you in there. don't worry. i don't mind. >> something happened. excuse me, something happened because on mine, your name wasn't in there, but go ahead. >> i was holding for michelle. >> okay, please go ahead. [multiple voices] >> go ahead, michelle. >> we're going do -- sorry folks on webex, we're going to do member pierce and then member ho and member castillon. so, i'm going to finish with a motion because i agree, we're not going to get too much further, but i'm going to start with all of us

have been talking about discussing with our neighbors what our -- what would be fair compromises and to all of you guys point about the tenderloin, i mean, the tenderloin -- [laughter] they have said that they were willing to give up, this was their compromise in this redistricting process, they were willing to give up van ness and pushback to polk and they were willing to give up post as a northern boarder and push down to gary, so they have done their contribution. it's obviously not enough but they've actually come to the table and given up critical real-estate which leaves a lot of their people and

their cultural assets behind and that's to their credit and us using that to punish them, i think is extremely unfair. if we need them to maybe shed a little more or shave a little more, we go back and tell them tonight you have 24 hours because we're talking about this tomorrow. i can do that because you guys showed up in good faith we can do that, however, i'm not making that request because this is what they've done and we're actually using it as a bludgeon to further punish them. that's my $0.02 on that part of it. dog patch and potrero hill and i have been more than once the evil person who has shaved pieces of dog patch or dog patch in whole off, but i have to tell you that, yeah, there is the emerging markets that grow as

you get closer to the bay, but in the heart of dog patch, there are a whole bunch very old, very beautiful, mostly restored victorian houses that are single-family houses, that are multi-generational currently ask have been in families for two, three, four generations. they are, excuse me the term, but what we traditionally used to call poor white trash as well as black and latino families all together growing up, third, fourth, fifth generation and some houses are being gentrified because of all of the development but this is the reason in those communities and why they feel potrero hill and dog patch are interconnected because you have long stands old families whose kids go to daniel

webster and what used to be potrero middle school and they hang out at jacksonville park and that's why they're connected. there's the legitimate bond that goes back before the 1906 quake. so, this is a century long association. i did mean to put that out there as well. with that being said, those are my two justifications for those two things. brain fried. i make a motion that we accept the citywide map as it stands right now for discussion tomorrow. that's my motion. >> okay. member ho. >> thank you. and thanks for all of that, member pierce. i went

deep onto how i hated the fact that portola is not united with visitation valley but i have started to lock at this map more clearly, there are a lot of things that i do appreciate about it. for one, where we understand that there will be additional development in d10. sorry, d6. i guess d10 -- d10 as well and there's flexibility. there's a lot of things i don't want but one of the things that's responsible for us to do as a task force is not setup the next redistricting task force ten years from now for failure the way we were setup for failure with a difficult task, so as much as possible, i do

appreciate that d6 is close to one percent and there will be additional growth there obviously, but it probably won't look like 30% which is the platform we were given and i think we have to continue to rei rate this because i think this is something that's lost on a lot of people who are very angry at this process. [sirens] >> these changes -- people don't want their neighborhoods to change and want their supervisors to change but that's not possible because so many changes need to be made to get our city into legal compliance with the federal voting rights act, the u.s. constitution, the california constitution because of the vast differences of housing growth on the eastside of the city and the below mean

on the westside of the city. so, and then there are certain areas in districts that are kind of in between and they have to move, so that's why these districts have to move so much and unfortunately, it does happen with the districts that are in between the east and westside, district 2 and district 5. so, the other thing that i like about this map is that we don't, like, everything is below 4% variance. except for d4. but as much as possible, that seems -- this strergs of -- this version of a map is closer in balance than any other map we have seen so far. and so, with that, i'm going to second your motion, member pierce. i do

also, you know, to address member gil's conversation about cutting up communities and the ones that are vulnerable and redlining, whether we started this conversation, i showed you what redlining is. like, if we're going to talk about how we don't want to redline, like, let go back to the portola conversation because that's the obvious version of redlining that we see in this entire city, so we can talk about that redlining and doing something about it or we just drop that because it is unacceptable to me that we continue to talk about redlining about the whole city when the redlining is -- is glaringly right in front of us with portola and bay view. >> thank you. mr. castillon. >> to clarify, member ho, i

believe member pierce's motion was to adopt the current citywide map. >> no, no. >> i misunderstood your motion. >> i was, like, what. clearly, i mean -- >> please don't start that. >> okay. >> all right. >> good. one modification that i meeting want to suggest because we did hear about how the tenderloin have compromised and posed their street early on and i believe the northern boundary is flexibility of a destination than polk street. i would like to explore adding a few blocks up to post street into district 6 into this map. in particular, i know, if we can start along

van ness. so starting on van ness, that block right there. can we bring up the population to see how much we're grabbing in there? >> all the way up to polk? >> yes. >> all the way up to post -- over to largon. over to haight. over to levenworth and then over to jones. for me, the northern boundary has always been post and i know that gary is a more

common definition. i've lived on gary for many, many years. there's a merchant corridor on gary and i do think it could be good for them to be kept whole in there. this is my one modification to the motion to add this into district five. >> is that a motion? >> yes. >> do you accept? >> i'm looking for consensus before i vote. oh. >> member chasel lee. >> when i made this modification to have have the line on jones, it was meant to have a forthright discussion. i did not

intend to put this line to be permanent. i was planning to move it back to mason. some of the stuff i heard today was full valid points but i must pushback on a notion that when i mentioned that the (indiscernible), it was bludgeoning those with a point. it wasn't my intention. i must say i recent that accusation. and so, my friendly amendment, if people -- if the motion is accepted, to move the line back to mason, it seems like that is not acceptable and we find solutions from there. right.

again, we're 48 hours away from saturday. three of us might be on the chopping block tomorrow. could we actually do our jobs, please. >> can we what? >> can we do our jobs we're task to do? so my amendment would be to owe o- -- -- to review night the tl for purposes of discussion because that's the purpose of the four b map. review night union square into d3. so we can add a balance. maybe we can start exploring the

know. or the haight. move it back to the tl if that's acceptable. >> clarification, with that post addition as well? no. go back to what we had originally? >> i was imagining a post position. >> no problem. >> let's look at both and see what happens, i guess. >> okay. and again my apologies, member chasel lee for -- i speak in assemblies, it wasn't meant to be an attack on you, just as the work we're doing is not

meant to be an attack on the tl. i know if t- -- it really feels that way when it's your house or your block but yeah. sorry. >> no, no. member pierce you don't need to apologize. i mean, the message was received loud and clear, so let's make it right. and let's go from here. >> is that it? mr. chasel lee is that it? >> i accept that challenge. >> guest 1. >> thank you. yeah. i think as far as this map is concerned, i think that's probably the best change, i think. i guess we're a little over now, but we can discuss this, discuss that

tomorrow. we're at a good talking point. i do want to circle back, you know, we got accused or getting accused and we'll hear more about this tomorrow at 1:30, accused of doing things in the middle of the night, i think of not just the daytime scale but the calendar time scale and i want to be cognoscente we have two mapping days left and i think i made my point clear but no matter which way we should go, i do think we should either go in tomorrow with two maps with this and something based off four d or close that door. it's really hard and it's a difficult conversation because i know there's a lot of different trade-offs but i think -- i do think we should have this conversation. i'm going to move a companion amendment and not a

competing amendment to come or competing motion that we -- committee motion and that we -- knowing this is very similar to a motion that failed before but i want to move that we discuss, that we bring up and i'll get to you an e-mail with the detail in writing, mr. carol, that we have four d with -- four d as in danger, i don't know -- >> four da. >> that's the first word that -- awful word. d as in douglas, that's a good neutral word. >> the four d map adjusted on the four. >> i'll get there in a second. i think for us, for us to move it

forward, i think it will have to have the russian hill addition as well, so it's four d with district three having a western border at van ness, broadway, jones, columbus, (indiscernible). that's my motion. >> those are the same borders you listed in order on april 4th? >> yes. >> is that it some mr. castillon. >> two things. i do -- something has gotten lost in the discussion around map four d. russian hill was not whole in the map that we voted on. there's only one part of any of these boundaries from many of the coy maps and the

neighborhood map that has broadway as the border. russian hill was not whole and i do think we need to -- so much of what we have been hearing is we've been prioritizing russian hill over the tenderloin when in reali -- we were splitting a neighborhood. i need to make sure that's on the record. second, i'm uncomfortable with us putting this forward as it stands as the proposal because district 6 is almost negative 10% at the moment and i would like to make at least district 10 but district 5 population compliant if we're to advance it. what i would suggest here is that we do add dog patch into district 6. i know we have this

strong connection with potrero hill but we're starting to hear about dog patch being an emerging communicate as well, not necessarily attached to dog patch being in district 6 but i want us to have a population compliant map in this area, so if we could add dog patch and i think it's central down to lake creek. >> you what? >> i will consent to that. >> so -- >> i'm going to make a motion that dog patch down to lake creek is added to district 6.

>> dog patch what? >> dog patch to lake creek is added to district 6. >> moved where? >> to district 6. >> district 6? >> yes. >> okay. i just want to hear the motion. is there a second? i think there's no second. >> i'll second. >> okay. we've got a motion and a second. vice-chair reiner. >> are you done? >> oh, i'm sorry. >> i did want to get district 5 into compliance as well. >> go ahead. >> i think if we're going to make -- we can lossen that post street border. we can start over

on the eastside. oh, we do have a gary boro -- -- we do have a gary border at the moment. can we zoom out? >> if i may. can we start at market and van ness? >> say what? >> market and van ness. >> would you like to draw that? >> i can -- market and van ness. so the block on the eastside of van ness in district 6. oh, no,

that's octavia. one street further north, that's 100 van ness and 50 van ness. >> excuse me. speak up a little bit. >> the one on polk and hain. that's my proposal. we move -- >> i accept that amendment. >> we're jumping in so fast. we've skipped over vice-chair, if you all remember. >> oh, sorry. >> it's okay. they're working in tandem. >> i wanted to make a statement because i'm not sure i'm going

to be here to make it. we keep talking about not doing things because we haven't heard enough about people telling us and i haven't heard people telling us they want russian hill moved and i'm not saying i object to it if it's done right and if it's the right thing, but i've talked to some russian people since this was sprung on us and nobody talked about it, nobody brought it up, nobody said, we have a coy here and let's see what would happen. the only thing all of us said in russian hill was gone. and i think that i reacted because i wasn't prepared for it. and i think russian hill residents reacted because they weren't prepared for it. and i don't think it's fair. i think if we have to do that, we have to do it in a thoughtful manner. and we've talked to, i've had one person call me from russian hill who said if that's what we have to do to make this city

whole or make this area whole, i'm willing to talk about it but i don't want you to just decide where the boundaries are that are different than what russian hill people decide on, so be sensitive. they talk about chestnut street to haight at the bottom. they would be willing to do that. reinvestigate and look at the coy they have, if you're going to do that, make sure you do it in a thoughtful manner because just deciding on what you're going to do is no different than all the other people who have come here and talked to us and now we're having a really hard time splitting them or moving them because we didn't really pay attention, so that's my caution and that's my request. s- that you pay attention and you treat russian hill with the respect that they deserve. >> guest 2.

>> thank you for that, vice-chair reiner. that was something i was going to bring up. this question with russian hill. i spoke with one person and tried to find out the boundaries and they did acknowledge, i guess the diversity of opinions on where the boundary is. they were all very clear, kind of like van ness was a clear line but out farther east it was less clear. so, i think we do need to acknowledge that time is upon us, right and we do have a couple of coy's right, that we can look at. we also have a couple of recognized neighborhoods, right. so, i think that, what i propose, i think we can reconcile that. it's to look at -- basically the

equity analysis that has been done by the city, to be able to determine the areas that are at risk and with that, we could proceed with some confidence that at least there's a justifiable systematic way of not diminishing or diluting the fair and effective power of representation in china town or north asian. >> vice-chair. >> i wanted to mention that almost everybody i spoke to said broadway was too far south. they felt it was more like green or union to chestnut. it's not as big of an area as everybody grabbed and they were talking about, they did not want to go down haight for? -- for some reason. haight is a touch street. larkon is tough. i'm

clearing on the north and south. and that's the desire. >> mr. castillon. >> thank you. i do just want to bring up that we received hundreds of letters that were hand delivered to us from china town residents, 1100. >> to do what? >> that they wanted to be russian hill and i don't think we is this take it lightly and we should weigh that pretty extensively. >> i know. >> it's not my turn to talk yet, but i talked to three people from russian hill that have met with me. the leaders of a couple of community organizations, pacific avenue and russian hill neighbors and they wanted to be in three. that was what i heard

from them. but anyway. go ahead. have i somethings to say, but i'll get to it. is that you? >> thank you, yeah. if we can pull up all of the russian hill coy's. what could be a better plural than coy. it sounds greek, but russian hill and i apologize, the neighborhood associations are -- they have different geographies and they're different from the neighborhood one, so i'm willing to modify my motion and make it van ness, green, jones, columbus, i think it's a little bit more reasonable and it will actually -- because -- okay. van

ness, jones, living worth. that will hopefully be enough. he want to reiterate why we're talking about russian hill and if you're just joining us, it feels like a random choice. map four d does something that's important that keeps tenderloin and west selma whole. but in order to do that, a lot of other things have to happen because it's a tight map in terms of the numbers and you would have to move the east cut to three and only way to do that is, the it's the only way to do that while keeping mission bay whole which was something discussed and we have to move russian hill to district 2. it's all the possible options to keep -- tenderloin and western central

selma is a huge area and we have limited options on how we handle that area and we have looked at a lot of them and the only -- i still think the other option is something with moving, from d2 to d3. van ness, union, living worth, columbus, sorry, van ness, union, jones, columbus, living worth, water. thank you. >> commissioner chair lee and vice-chair reiner. >> i just want to pushback on the 1100 letters that we supposedly received from china town residents. i took a picture of one of the letters and i actually skimmed through them. there were several, first off, folks that were not from china town. this one right now, as i'm

looking at it, it's from my chan who's address is on geneva. that's not near china town. there's several statements made on the addition, so if -- it says china town fishermans warf and they're tied by small businesses and these should be included in an updated district 3. that's one point. in bold under it, it says i'm against the proposal to add tenderloin to district 3. combining them, combining area with china town will stretch the district and strain resources allowed toward neighborhoods of revitalization and small business effort. i want to point out, there multiple statements on this and it's not quite clear what, which one -- if they agree with one of them or both of them, yeah.

>> vice-chair. >> let me just say just because the person's address isn't in china town, it doesn't mean they don't have a business in china town, they have family in china or they don't have an interest in chinese that town and i have a couple of hundred e-mails in my inbox, probably more than that, from people who support the d10 or something or some other thing and it's a form letter that has been written over and over and over again. so, i think it means that people care. it means that people took the time to send that many and put that many together. i mean, we've had people campaigning for everything here. so, i think it's fair that people say they don't want to be separated and i, to me, that area is very contiguous. and i'm just, you know, i'm still blown away that all of a sudden russian hill

became this thing to move it over without -- without as much conversation we've had, so i'll leave it right there. >> thank you. i have ms. lily ho, sorry. >> about the 1100 letters, jeremy lee, there were two versions of letters you saw and that was one of them. it sounds like that was addressing specifically a proposal to combine china town with tenderloin. right. there was a proposal there and some of our callers still today are talking about uniting the after rose together so that's valid. again, i copy vice-chair reiner's point. a lot of callers that called in say i live in this district but consider that my coy so i refute that as a valid argument for disregarding those

letters. the more important point that i want to make about those letters is this is a disenfranchised community. we have talked about this from day one, people who live or work in the -- the communities that are outreach consultants and they were unable to penetrate and community lead these in china town went door-to-door clicking hand signatures and having conversations with people before people signed their names on something. that's so much morula bore yours and meaningful than item -- than item plat e-mail and i'm blown away that they galvanize a community and delivered 1100 letters from a community we wouldn't otherwise

hear from and i'm just so proud of that. proud of them for making that happen in a short amount of time. additionally, the china town community was, endorsing that map from van ness with the -- chinese companies and they represent the neighborhood associations that represent the oldest communities of the united states, really. definitely california and san francisco that's still intact and work together. so, like, that endorsement alone speaks for the majority of the chinese community in san francisco, not just china town. >> okay. hernandez gil. >> i want to bring up the fact

in the procedure we've adopted, right, we didn't come up with a way to reconcile conflicting opinions, right. and -- [sirens] >> we have heard from residents and people in china town that they don't feel that affinity with russian hill and i think that is important and that is corroborated by concrete data both from the city, from academic that distinguish neighborhoods that are stable and that's great for them, right, verses neighborhoods that are not. i think for me, what i would love to see is having that systematic way of saying, okay, well, we hear some people, perhaps you get a majority of people saying they want to be with russian hill. right. there's another group of folks

that say, well, you know, we don't feel that affinity. and we recognize that the numbers, again, this question of wealth and vulnerability is different. i also think it is as important to consider the fact if we move in that direction, we are excluding the ability of district three to absorb any of the growth that district six has experienced. and i don't really think that that is very justifiable because again, it creates this situation where we're only forced to go in one direction and if you look at the map where the growth has happened and it has happened in a lot of places in district 6 of what is now currently district 6, so i think that it is important to take that into account. and i think, it appears like we're basically moving in

the direction of just defacto accepting the d3 united map. i think that's regretful because we have the opportunity to make russian hill whole at least one version of it. right. that's great. they're currently split, let's make them whole. we have heard from them that they're maybe not super excited but willing to be in d2 and they have relationships because they have been split. one would imagine they have relationships so again, i come back to how we go about reconciling different opinions and to me, it's pretty clear that we have an opportunity to make a neighborhood whole, great. and we have an opportunity to distribute some of the growth in a way that benefits a lot of people. >> very good. mr. jeremy lee. >> if i may respond to member ho. you know, first off, by no means do you want to diminish

the work of the chinese merchant association. i fully recognize they did the leg work and they went out to merchants and residents and collected signatures but by no way do i ever want to diminish that. i want to pushback against this narrative that everyone in china town is united for the d3 united map. so, there's several organizations that have not signed on, so forgive me if i state one if i'm wrong and please correct me, but the asian cause cuss and china town, development center and east medical center and chinese naez hospital and help for the elderly and mico and also the chinese historical society of america which pulled out from the letter so i wanted to illustrate that, china town is

fully united behind this particular map. therefore a diversity of opinions on how d3 should look like for china town, thank you. >> okay. guest 1 is who? ms. ho. >> thank you. i wanted to remind us that we've seen a version where d3 -- it breaks up d6 a part. in this version of d3 map, we're respecting at this .21 and perhaps even more organizations in district 3 who say we want to hang out together. we want to stay together and i feel like a broken record but i see district 3 similarly to district 11 where there hasn't been too much

opposing opinions around it. they're not fighting over pieces of, you know, japan town for example. they're not fighting for something else. for the most part, they want to stay together. maybe one edge of the city doesn't feel in align with the other edge of the city but for the most part, there's no opposition to them uniting. and then of course, i would love for there to be absorption but we can't do it without heating the east cut community that has really been fighting for their communities to stay together. that's all, thank you. >> thank you. guest 2. >> that would be me, thank you, mr. chair. i rescind my motion. it looks like we are deep into

line drawing and i am now digging in for 3:00 a.m. so let's go at it. >> mr. jeremy lee. >> thank you. so, one odd thing that i'm not a particular fan of in this 3ba map is it really doesn't include any affordable housing for china town residents. there's 350 sro families considered homeless because they're certificate rearly underhoused by the -- because they're underhoused by the city and the housing sites that are here in this district, there's two. there's 88 broadway and new asia developing soon.

there's not a good fact way for the very impoverished families to get out of their situation, like, for example, one of the dreading factor behind me voting in support of moving treasure island into d three and treasure island will be getting affordable housing and i wanted the residents, the seniors and sro family in china town to there a pathway out and to house accessible living standards. thank you. >> thank you. vice-chair reiner. >> i just want to bring us back to your proposal. i think what we're doing is exactly what we did the other night and we're starting to move into a direction where we're not going to have -- i see us going down the same path, recreating exactly what we did with four d. we're hearing about the treasure island. we're hearing about

russian hill. we really got to stop doing this because we had something that looked like we could work -- work with and we took it off the rails so i like your proposal. i don't think i can do another 3:00 and we're going right around that statement circle, so can we go back to where we were, can we take that map, can we say we're going to work from that, adopt it and then call it a night and then work on it tomorrow? >> mr. chasel lee, i have something to say, but let him go first. >> i have no problem with what you're saying and i think you're absolutely right but i'm the chair and i get to speak last and everybody gets to say what they want to stay. i know your mind is made up anyway, but i still do because we're not the only ones hear listening so i'm going to stay what i have to

say. and then you all can go ahead. and i know even though i'm saying it, i'm saying it because i need to and i need to say it for record because i know it's not anything you want to hear. we've been talking tonight about emerging communities. i'm really concerned with dingling communities and we haven't -- with dwindling communities and we haven't talked about that since we have been here since september and i kept trying to bring it up but it doesn't resonate with anyone and i talked about the dwindling populations of african american in bay views hunters point and i know people right now in the audience, on the phone are saying, there he goes again. yeah, because there we go again. another one just left the city. and another one is leaving tomorrow. and two are leaving the next day. the only population -- the only populations in san francisco

that has lost population. and somehow that's not an emergency with this task force or most of the people that have testified to us except for black people or they mention black people but nobody comes with a coy or solution to try to deal with it. they just -- they just let it go on. it's amazing because when we talk about voter on voter community, 50 to $60,000 is not much money in san francisco. try 29 that the average african american family in san francisco lives on and people don't think that's important to try to deal with, to give them a situation where they would have influence

in their community. and there are enough coy -- community of interest between folk to make it work if we cared enough to make it work but when i bring it up, y'all want to sue me. and we've gotten nowhere in terms of what we've tried to do with the african american community. when we started this process, i was excited. a month or two in, i just say, well, maybe it won't get worse. and at this point, i'm pretty sure that i've failed in that task as well. there will be no real change. there will be no real improvement. and what is happening to -- to that community will continue to

happen. and i love y'all. i think and i think -- when it comes to what's happening to us, i don't think y'all care much. i don't know why. but i just don't think to. because i haven't seen it and i haven't seen except for the black people, i haven't seen it from the public. nobody talks about anything we could do. they just throw the words out there because it makes their argument stronger to say african americans but they're not -- never mind. i'm wasting y'all's time and certainly wasting my own but i think people need to be able to have an effect on their elected representatives and when you have elected representatives that know they can win without even campaigning

in your part of the district, again, like i said, i'm wasting your time and my own. i see -- >> i absolutely appreciate that and i identify with that. hearing all of that representation where my race was being invoked was frustrating but i'm going to take us back to and i'm not going to have you reverse, reverse, reverse, let's start with this map, that is currently on the table as our starting point for tomorrow and i will reintroduce my motion that we take this map and work with it tomorrow. >> i second. >> oh, i'm sorry. let's vote.

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