. >> chairman: good morning and welcome to the rules committee of the san francisco board of supervisors for today, monday, april 4th, 2022.

i am the chair of the committee aaron peskin joined by supervisor mandelman and my committee member supervisor connie chan. to our left, our clerk is mr. victor young. mr. young, do you have any announcements this morning? >> clerk: yes. the board of supervisors as committees are now convening as high drid meetings allowing people to attend in person and by remote. the board recognizes to a public success says is essential. first, public comment will be taken on each item on this agenda. those attending in person will be allowed to speak first and then we will take those who are waiting on the telephone line. for those watching either channel 26, 78, or 99. the public call-in number is

(415) 655-0001. and the meeting id is 24 ayes 69935727 then press pound and pound again. the public comment is called, those joining us in to line up to speak. we'll be taking comment from those in person first. or you can e-mail public comment to myself. if you submit public comment via e-mail, it would be included in the board of supervisors and be submitted as part of the file.

you may also submit it by mail. that completes my initial comments. >> chairman: can you please read the first item. >> clerk: item one is the presidential reappointment planning commission of kathrin moore. >> chairman: thank you, colleagues, we have before us a nomination to reappoint planning commissioner kathrin moore to our planning commission here in san francisco. i want to start first by thanking. >> president walton: for seeing fit to renominate ms. moore to the planning commission. second, i would like to thank ms. moore not only for her service since 2006 on that

body, but for her willingness albeit reluctantly to sign up for one more tour of duty which i think if she last even half of that will make her the longest standing planning commissioner since sue bierman. having said that, i think her work is universally respected even those that disagree with her planning decisions. she has been a mentor to planning staff and colleagues on that body and i'm delighted that. >> president walton: saw fit to reappoint her and to re-appoint her quite early long before her term actually expires this summer. with that, if there are no questions from commissioners at this point, i would like to invite ms. moore to come up and

addressed the rules committee and, again, thank you for your service. commissioner moore, the floor is yours. >> commissioner: good morning, supervisors. is it two minutes? i was practicing two minutes. >> chairman: now you know what it's like to be a member of the public. [ laughter ] >> i'll keep it brief nevertheless. i've been a san francisco resident since 1970 and any active civic engagement started in 2001 when i was appointed to the treasure island citizen advisory committee which i

served until 2018. i was asked to step on the san francisco port's waterfront design advisory committee. i'm still on this committee and actually, that committee has come two committees and i'm serving on both of them. and last but not least, i was first appointed as supervisor peskin mentioned to the planning commission in 2006. as a new design architect i can bring bar decision raising overall discussions about citying planning. today, this is coupled with an ever stronger institutional memory and a fine sense of what really matters. i remain accurate in my profession and i'm challenged by increasing more difficult sets of circumstances both inside and outside the city including what feels like an

never ending turn of state mandates. this fall with the ever present complexities of san francisco planning. in my own past work, i often find myself sitting on the other side of the table and explaining to city officials, supervisors like yourself, what to commissioners, why it's good to design urban planning, essential for our cities to strive and for the quality of life. today, i find myself expanded by my past 16 years on the planning commission and my professional skills remain one of my strengths. and i've become a stronger and more consistent voice for social, racial, and environmental equity, and abled concerns included ethnicity,

race, sexual orientation, gender identity, types of disabilities and other issues that matter in the city. i'm aware of the city's housing shortages. the significant lack of affordable housing if i my say. the threat of gentrification, and the displacement of vulnerable communities. to that end, one of my objectives is to continue broadening the dialog. bridging the gap between the technical components of planning and the emotional that often drives decision making. this requires that we engage in current discussion and look at the trade-offs between social

and environmental equity and economic benefits and the focus on citywide planning. i want to put an emphasis on that last point and economic benefits. in closing, i would be honored to continue on the planning commission for another term. today, i ask for your support. >> chairman: thank you, commissioner moore. if there are no -- supervisor chan. >> supervisor chan: thank you, chair peskin and i too want to echo chair peskin's sentiment how grateful i am that, commissioner moore, you're willing to continue. i'm grateful for not only your service from the years past, but really also years to come especially in a critical time for san francisco's land use policy and planning changes. your institutional knowledge

and expertise for us is critical in knowing the history. i came here when i was 13 years old and it was only 1990 but even then seeing the changes in san francisco at times it's painful to see many are trying to impose this one-size-fits-all in san francisco erasing our history and wanted to put us in this binary situation and understanding the historical context. and it is my privilege and honor as a supervisor today and as a member of the rules committee to really support your appointment. thank you.

>> chairman: supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, supervisor peskin. i want to say me also. i want to thank commissioner moore and her many years of service and her willingness to sign up for another round. >> chairman: are there any members of the public in these chambers who would like to comment on the reappointment of commissioner moore to the planning commission. first speaker please. >> clerk: i'd like to make a quick announcement before we start. members of the public who wish to speak on this item and are joining us in person should line up to speak alongside the window. for those listening remotely, call (415) 655-0001. enter the meeting i.d. of 24869935727 then press pound and pound again. once connected, you will need

to press star three to enter the speaker line. for those in the queue, please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and that is your cue to begin your comment. thank you. >> good morning supervisors. i'd like to share a letter that i wrote. it's addressed to then board president david chiu. i'm concerned about the need for a very solid, well informed planning commission made up of diverse members who bring expertise and a complete sense of fairness for all. in past years, i express my for the appointment of kathrin moore. observing her interaction with

the public makes me appreciate her as a commissioner and saul she brings to the task. she is uniquely positioned and trained and brings the highest of standards to the job. with division and an unusual level of rigor she has built a superlative record. appointees of her caliber are not easy to find. san franciscans are very much indebted to commissioner moore for her steadfast service. sharing her knowledge, her profound knowledge and for her generous leadership and i ask you to confirm her as planning commission. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please.

>> good morning. my name is jerry dratler with the san francisco coalition. i've observed kathrin moore reviewing the large case files. i cannot make the same about some planning commissioners appointed by the mayor and planning department senior management. i'm also impressed with howher experience as an architect and planner shapes the response she makes at each commission hearing. she challenges bad planning department decisions. she is the right planning

commissioner to address land use

unfortunately, we can't say the same thing about commissioners appointed by the mayor because, again, the partisan politics has trumped everything for this

segment of the commission. and we're looking to ms. moore to actually enlighten us and bring up good points and raise the issues that should be raised by planning. and we look forward to another four years. her knowledge, her competence and her courage to speak up is invaluable. so we're here to support her and we are grateful again to president walton and above all to ms. moore for accepting another four terms. thank you so much. and in case i didn't introduce myself, audrey rome with

. >> clerk: mr. atkins, can we have our first caller? >> caller: can you hear me okay? >> clerk: we can hear you. please proceed. >> caller: great. good morning. david pillpell. i wanted to join the chorus in

support of the reappointment of kathrin moore to the planning commission now more than ever as we continue to lose characters and history in san francisco day by day, week by week which is sad, kathrin moore is an outstanding example of what we need and want as others are said very eloquently. she's not a loud character, but a strong and consistent character and just the kind of smart, calming influence that's useful and necessary at planning and i too was going to mention that her length of service is getting to arrival that of sue bierman and she is in an explenty place in that way as well. thanks for listening and thanks for supporting her reappointment. >> chairman: next speaker.

>> caller: eileen bogan san francisco coalition neighborhood speaking on my own behalf. i would like to thank commissioner moore for her past service and her willingness to serve on the planning commission. i would also like to thank commissioner moore for her comments at last week's commission meeting on the rpd project at lake merced west. i agree with her perspective regarding concerns about the commercialization of the site. p.d. stating the project can only be accomplished with a private company. my written submission also includes copies of the california state audit report on the methodology as well as a copy of the embarcadero institutes analysis.

the city's numbers are over the five numbers. however, due to sb 35, by the city state senator, it does. if by midway through reno in a cycle member six, the target hasn't met its target so far. i would urge the board to be aware of this and see how the element process moves forward. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, next speaker. >> caller: good morning, supervisors. this is teresa flandrik. she has been willing to take on another 40 years. we are so fortunate to have

have a teacher on this commission for all the public, the planners the new planners and the other recent commissioners. so i'm grateful she's willing to do this and i thank you all and kathrin thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> chairman: this is sue hester. i'm grateful kathrin she reads the plans and then at the hearing, she engages, she listens to the testimony and engages with staff and other commissioners on the projects

before them. that is a really important role. state mandates have been coming in. every week, there seems to be a new mandate every week. and they have to be handled very carefully by the planning commissioners and the staff. we are grateful she's willing to serve. never agree with anyone 100%. i don't agree with her 100%. you know, 90%, 80% is really a big thing. so give the public its representation on the seat at the planning commission by endorsing kathrin moore. thank you very much.

>> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> good morning supervisors. my name is george wooding with the san francisco land use coalition. please approve kathrin moore for planning commission. i'm so happy she has been given the opportunity for four more years on the planning commission. as i consider her to be a wonderful judge. she represents what i consider the peoples interest in planning. she is the guiding light on the planning commission. she is also the institutional memory which so many current commissioners have no idea of the past history. also, i must say, she's done a

study and it's so obvious every other commissioner is texting while she is listening. so i want to thank president walton for nominating her and i'm so happy that she is given the opportunity for four more years on the planning commission as she is the best choice possible thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: good morning supervisor peskin. supervisor mandelman, and other

supervisors. we are fortunate to have such a well qualified individual to serve three more years on san francisco's planning commission and i thank you president walton. kathryn moore leads the design and management of major urban design with significant experience in all project types and scales. it includes the design of cities business and open space components. water front development campus planning, transportation, open space, and recreation projects i especially like when she looks at a project for its livability. other planning commissioners since they don't have that

background in design, i don't know, maybe this doorway should be this way. maybe the bathroom should be here. maybe the staircase should be there. she can look at a project and tweak it from paper to actuality. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please. >> caller: good morning supervisors. this is charles head for the san francisco coalition of neighborhoods. cfn in all neighborhoods support the renomination of kathrin moore. we thank her for agreeing to serve another term. we thank president walton for reappointing her. i noticed just recently, i it

by the way been fortunate to sit with her ten years ago and csfn gave her an honor and i appreciate her wisdom at the table. but most recently i was watching a planning commission meeting. then during commission matters, kathrin just happened to mention the other day and i noticed that people, pedestrians who were visually impaired were having a problem navigating a sidewalk where these motor bikes were all lined up on a stand and could staff make a recommendation about it. to have her come up with something that quickly and compassion compassionately. >> clerk: i believe we have one additional speaker.

>> caller: good morning, chair peskin and rule of committee members. my name is carolynn kennedy. i'm a neighborhood leader in district 8. i am so glad we're in support and her voice is much needed. thank you, president walton for this nomination. thank you supervisors for reappointing her reappointment. and thank you, commissioner moore for your service to our city. >> chairman: thank you. and i believe that includes public comment, mr. young. >> clerk: yes. that concludes the last public commenter on the line. >> chairman: without further adieu, let me make a motion to amend the subject motion by

removing the word rejecting in line three and a rejection in line four. >> clerk: on that motion, [roll call] the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: and then i will make a motion to send the item with recommendation to the full board of supervisors. >> clerk: yes. on that motion, [roll call] the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: congratulations, ms. moore. >> clerk: next item is a hearing to consider the appointment one member, term ending april 30, 2026, to the police commission. >> chairman: thank you, mr. young. colleagues, we had quite a time

with our last vacancy in filling it. that was the seat formerly held by petra dejesus even before the expiration of seat number two which is currently held by commissioner commissioner hamasaki which expires at the end of this month. we've currently heard from him relative to the last seat. so, with that, why don't we interview the four applicants that are before us in the order that they appear on our agenda starting with kevin michael benedicto. supervisor chan. >> supervisor chan: thank you, chair peskin. just so that i'll save us time. i would like for all the applicants in their remarks

answering the same question that i have for all of them is that, you know, given just a recent developments with the police department, please, do include your answer to this question is what is your view on chief scott for ending the m.l.u. investigations with the district attorney's office and specifically what role should the commission play in this process. please do include this answer in your remarks. thank you so much. >> chairman: thank you. with that, mr. benedicto.

>> good morning. good morning chair peskin, vice chair. it's an honor to be before this committee and be considered for this appointment. as a long time advocate for criminal justice reform and police reform in san francisco, i know the police commission can be a powerful force for advancing those causes and a want to be apart of that critical work. i've worked since 2015 as pro bono council. and since then as a member of the bar association of san francisco. i helped revise sfpd's use of force policy which i believe is still one of the west use of force policies in the city. and as a member of the public

on to provide input on topics community policing and others. i work closely with numerous commissioners on their work. including former commissioner loftis, wong, dejesus, and others. including former chief sir, former acting chief chaplin, and chief scott. on behalf of the bar association, i worked with supervisor yee in 2020 where it would pass overwhelmingly. i've also advised and worked with law enforcement agencies across the country on incident review and reform proposals. i received recognition for my criminal justice work and my broader probono practice. i'm a proud member of the api community and was awarded the exceptional legal advocacy award by the american bar association. one of the most prestigious awards and named after the one of the first and finest asian american tribe members in the

bay area. i've also received an award of merit. i'm an experienced civil litigator, have worked as a civil rights lawyer and i'm familiar with the specific issues confronting the police commission. if appointed, i will be able to hit the ground running, get up to speed quickly and do my part to allow the commission to provide progressive oversight to the san francisco police department. to address your question, supervisor chan. it was disappointing to learn when the chief pulled out of the mlu as pro bono council, we worked closely and strongly supported the mlu going into place. i was glad to see there was a short extension reached as the partisan reached to negotiate. if that issue were still open, the commission should work strongly to ensure that an mlu

remains in place, because what that allowed was independent oversight, independent investigations from the d.a. unit and gives a significant piece of the progress that san francisco made. >> chairman: thank you. supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, chair peskin and thank you mr. benedicto for putting your name in. you are liked and respected by people i like and respect. and i'm encouraged to see you applying. i want to publicly have some of the conversation that we had privately and just sort of talk through some of these issues. i have no doubt about your passion for and capacity pursuing police reform. and that you will push to

finish the work implementing and taking additional steps that the department should be taking to become a better police department and to serve all of our communities. i have a problem with the difficulty san francisco police department is having in obtaining and attracting officers. i went to the gradual indication of the academics.

there is as i understand it, a group of officers who were hired in the 90s with part of they're getting to the point of retiring and many of them are. do you as a potential commissioner have thoughts about how the san francisco police department can obtain and attract officers. >> thank you. i would certainly be concerned with it. i would like to point out the smaller classes as something that's not viewed in isolation. we're all aware there are

broader issues right now. and so i think it's important to see issues in the broader context since staffing as a police department is no different than companies hiring across the economy. i also think that the issues that you identified my experience with in reform are not necessarily separate from the staffing issues. i think there's many communities a i the result from some setbacks in some of the positive reform efforts and i think as progress is made on repairing that deficit of trust, there is a very ambitious community plan that i served on a working group to finalize but has yet to be fully enacted as a strategic plan. i think as that deficit and trust can shrink as other efforts would bridge that, you would see that reflected in community members that want to become police officers as we

>> i think some of that is visibility and accessibility i know that under president loftis a few times, the commission would have meetings in neighborhoods. cheryl davis, human rights commission in the bayview and i think having the commission work as a community is i think helpful. i think attending community boards being present during ride alongs, if i was a commissioner, i would even try

to have office hours whether members of the public could raise concerns whether that be virtual or in person because i think the public and the department should see the commission as advocating for them for better policing in san francisco. >> chairman: thank you. if we have any other questions, we'll let you know. i appreciate your applying and why don't we move on to kathryn hodge. i believe ms. hodge is attending remotely. >> clerk: yes. you can go ahead and turn on your camera and unmute yourment microphone. >> good morning. can you hear me? >> clerk: we can hear you. yes. >> thank you. hello my name is kit hodge. i've living in san francisco since 2007.

i'm currently a homeowner in district 7. i'm currently in the process of developing a new business. i've applied to join the police l commission because i believe that body is critical to release the troubling disparities in a place for sfpd for years. i've unfortunately not yet been reduced by the justice. and began both attending and live tweeting in meetings. in the summer of 2020. i also write and post summaries an important memories to the commission on my personal blog.

in my earlier cleer. i had the wide range of policy making bodies in our city. the experience has taught me to. i also very recently worked with sfpd staff and policy developments. the work i've done sfpd reform so far has strongly been my volunteerism with the wealth and disparities community. during the development and launcheded the 2016 department of justice reform program and such help with the community events and polished discussions of various stakeholders. my goal for the police commission would be straight forward. work with my fellow commissioners and leadership at

sfpd in the department of police accountability to ensure that san francisco truly serves the community. truly effective community based has to mean an elimination of troubling racial disparities in sfpd. if the current reform program alone is not leading to changeses and it's the work of the police commission i and it's all being more effective for choosing to employ cost effective strategies. to supervisor chan's question about the mlu, my thoughts are independent oversight of any police department is critical. a system of checks and balances is one of the foundations of democratic american government. i was very concerned to see the

sfpd drop the mlu. on the sfpd itself. experiencing with its partners m.l.u.. the commission's taken steps to ensure that independent overnight remains through outreach and other avenues and i fully support this work and it's critical we have independent overnight of sfpd. with that, i'll end my remarks. and thank you again for your consideration. >> chairman: thank you. are there any questions from members of the rules committee. next. we'll move to stephen schwartz and lulu la flame.

>> clerk: they do not appear to be here and we do not have a call-in. both methods were provided to the applicant. >> chairman: and i believe this panel is familiar with our last hearing. so why don't we move on to terence tracy. >> good morning, supervisors. are you able to hear me? >> chairman: yes. we are. great. my name is terence tracy and i appreciate the opportunity to speak with you this morning. i'm a 24 resident of san francisco. i live in san francisco with my wife. she's a native from san francisco, i'm a transplant to the u.s. i'm grateful for the

city where the weather's always kind. i'm a veteran. i served in the air force from 1981 to 1985. i began my law enforcement career. i served for 27 years and retired here in san francisco. i immediately after retiring, i took a job in the private sector in corporate security and i very recently retired from that position. i have always had a passing interest in what's happening with the police department. in answer to supervisor chan's question about chief scott and the suspension of the m.l.u., i am concerned about that. i have to admit, i don't know enough about the chief's decision regardless. i think it's important that he

and the district attorney's office continue to communicate i think that when he brings his issues forward and the other issues to the other side, it's heard that ultimately a consensus can be reached and the agreement can be reinstated. i have not regularly attended commission meetings, but do i make a point to their i think that they've done a great job of building on the foundation that they have really brought the police department's policy well into the 21st century. they provided for a department that can be effective, professional, and ethical. and as residents of san

francisco, that, of course, is what we're all looking for and i'd be happy to answer any questions if you have them. >> chairman: thank you. are there any questions? if not, why don't we go to public comment on this item. seeing none. why don't we go to remote public comment on this item. >> clerk: yes. for those listening remotely, please call (415) 655-0001. then enter the meeting id of 24869935727, then press pound and pound again. once connected, you will need to press star three to enter the speaker line. for those in the queue, please continue to wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and that will be your cue to begin your comments. there's nobody in line to speak at this time. >> chairman: okay. then public comment is closed. and the matter is in the hands

of the panel. colleagues, this is a quite important position and appointment and i'd love to hear any comments you colleagues have to make. supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, supervisor peskin. i'm going to support kevin today. he has a history of doing that. i do have great concern around staffing levels in the department and i think we as a

city have work to do. i think mr. benedicto gets that and giving him the benefit of the doubt and i hope that he, i trust that he will be an excellent commissioner who holds the department accountable and also supports the department and tries to make san francisco a place where people want to be policed. >> chairman: i appreciate your statements and concur. supervisor chan. >> supervisor chan: thank you, chair peskin. and i concur with both of you and definitely, vice carry chair mandelman's on this. i want to thank ms. hodge for her application in this case for the seat as police commission which is a very critical seat that we definitely want to see someone who has a long extensive body

of work in the field. and so, the reason why i want to single out ms. hodge for her amp li indication in this is because as a member of this rules committee i'm aware that for our appointment process specifically on this commission, we have been consistently been appointing if i may say with all the respect, colleagues, male commissioners to the commission in the last few consecutive appointments for this body. i really look forward to seeing more women candidates coming forward especially for this body knowing that now commission president malia cohen has stepped down and her leadership was tremendously critical to that commission

given work as a former supervisor establishing accountability office for the police department. and so we'd really love to see in event a future opportunity to see a really qualified candidate who is deep in the trenches in this work on law enforcement and criminal justice reform issues that we could hopefully and i'm sure they've got to be identified as a woman candidate to come forward to be part of the commission. thank you. >> chairman: thank you, supervisor chan. and i appreciate concur with that statement as well. it sounds like the will of this committee and thank you to the other applicants is to move mr. benedicto forward to the full board with recommendation and to that end, i will make the same amendments. no. actually, we don't have to make amendments. i'm sorry. we will put -- we will forward mr. benedicto to the full board

with recommendation. on that motion, roll call, these. >> clerk: [roll call] the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: thank you, again, and would you please read the third and final item. >> clerk: yes. item number three is a hearing to consider appointing one member, term ending october 21, 2022, and one member, term ending october 21, 2023, to the local homeless coordinating board. for public comment, call (415) 655-0001. the meeting id is 24869935727. then press pound and pound again.

once connected to the meeting, you will need to press star three to enter the speaker line. a system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand. please wait until we take public comment on this item, when when the system indicates you have been unmuted, it will be your cue to begin your comments. >> chairman: thank you, mr. young. colleagues, you will recall that earlier this year, we held a hearing and made a number of appointments to various seats on the local homeless coordinating board. seat number nine, at that point, we had not gotten a nomination from the controller. we have that today in the form of the renomination of jimmy loyce and thank you to our

controller ben rosenfield for your appointment to seat number eight. number nine, which we previously heard from most of the applicants that are before us with the exception of mary kate bacalao for seat 8 and i will note that jeffery bourne has withdrawn his request to serve. we have six applicants for that seat. folks are welcome to speak again if they would like, although we have heard from virtually all of them. mr. steinberger submitted a statement which we are all in receipt of. so why don't we start with mary kate bacalao and if anybody else would like to state your qualifications again and i will also remind folks that pursuant to the administrative code set forth in a memo random that we

all receive that we do need to able to make findings. ms. bacalao, the floor is yours. >> good morning. my name is mary kate bacalao. i use she/her pronouns. i've been in the bay for about ten years and san francisco is my forever home. i love this city. i'm currently the director of external affairs and policy at compass efforts. where i lead to reduce and prevent homelessness for families. i also co-share the emergency homeless providers association.

with deep roots in the communities most impacted by homelessness. and our local homeless response system and i'm also proud of our renewed focus on racial equity. i help facilitate in hespa and we've changed our executive leadership composition to be more than 60% people of color which is wonderful for the coalition and for the homeless response system. previously, i served as the director of public funding where i raised and maintaining a portfolio of public grants and contracts representing the agency's budge. and how it impacts people living on the streets tonight. right when you have revenue, but you don't have cash, then you can't bring people inside. prior to that, i served as a

staff attorney at home base where i learned a lot about hud regulations and hud funding and sort of the federal landscape and basically i have a deep understanding of budgets. i've written about these issues for city lab. the nation, shelter force, the san francisco chronicle and other outlets and i've been participating actively continuously for about six years since starting as a staff attorney at home base. and i started my career in corporate law and i left because homelessness felt like a real crisis and i really wanted to be part of the solution, so i'm very committed to these issues and i can promise as a member of the lhcb, i would consistently show up, i'd be prepared and thoughtful and i'd build a strong partnership to help bring a regional including wage

equity for front line server. so thank you so much for my consideration. >> chairman: thank you for your application. and next we will go to raymond gary mccoy. welcome back. >> thank you, supervisors. i will be brief. i think it's rare when a candidate gets to speak twice about their qualifications other than what we had discussed at the last meeting for this seat. i have been very privileges and so i have been able to go to quite a few cities from all corners of the state in where i

got to work with dph staff going through all of our shelters so thank you for your consideration. there are a lot of amazing candidates so i don't envy your position, but i would love your support. >> mr. nagle. >> clerk: i believe mr. nagle is remote. he is logged into our system.

>> supervisors, i'm here. can you hear me? >> chairman: yes, we can. for compassionate. to bring up the bold action needed to end homelessness crisis, san francisco residents must get off the sidelines and make their voices heard to review all local homelessness initiatives to the board, the mayor, and board of supervisors. before starting and allowed me

to help and performance management. i'm comfortable understanding social problems. i can assess legal frame works and. as examples of the kinds of. we advocated for the city and the cost effective tools. and opened a pilot for shelter at 33 goff. we're already hard at work. we've added approved data management projects to hold the city accountable for results. it's currently the most informative source of data on the city's response to crisis. we've worked closely with the city in the support of management. i appreciate the responsibility. homelessness is our most

underthank you. >> chairman: thank you. and next we have ancel romero. >> clerk: this applicant did not indicate if they will be attending remotely or in person. >> chairman: nicholas staton. >> clerk: i believe it's the same situation with nicholas staton. i did not receive indication and they are not logged into our system at this time. >> chairman: okay. then we'll go to mr. loyce for seat number nine just to see him and have the pleasure of hearing him. i've known, mr. lyce for

getting on to a quarter of a century. >> good morning, supervisors. supervisor peskin, supervisor chan, and supervisor mandelman. thank you. >> chairman: he's relatively new in your ten year. >> my name is jimmy loyce and i have been a resident of san francisco for 50 years so i have that connection i also you served as the deputy director of health. and my initial relationship to homelessness was after the 89 earth cake you on that will

navy ship that president i and the other one was north of market on polk street up at geary. i have a long history. i was practicing which meant that i wanted to address the needs of you. and at that time when i was doing that, would, one of the things that was challenging here is that they didn't have folks with that particular expertise or skill set which i have. and i've served on a number of commissions and boards in san francisco. i was appointed by the supreme

court to the juvenile justice commission promoted by the mayor. to the juvenile probation commissioner which i served as president of and i was on the health commission here in san francisco supported by mayor ed lee. and so i have a long history of leadership with diverse communities here in san francisco as well as my relationship to los angeles and fundamentally i believe that if we don't develop a regional approach to homelessness in the san francisco bay area, we're never going to solve this problem. i've been on the local homeless coordinating body. i believe we need to work not only regionally but as a body with the rest of san francisco.

and i also whether i get on the commission or not, i want to support her application for local homeless coordinated board. with that, i will stop because when you've done something as long as i've done, i could be here all day about the things i've been engaged in. so i will stop and entertain any questions the board may have. sorry about making your name, supervisor mandelman. >> chairman: it's always good to hear you pull forth. i've heard you for a quarter of a century getting there, and i really appreciate your willingness to bring your skills and experience and expertise. so thank you to controller rosenfield for reappointing you. supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: thank you, chair peskin and mr. loyce for your willingness to continue. i guess, since you're here, i will take advantage of your being here asking questions

that i've been thinking about in the context of these appointments. we do not have a homelessness commission in san francisco. we have a plethora of bodies that oversee pieces of homelessness and i'm struck as i look at the qualifications for the folks who can be appointed to this body. that they're at least in the description of these folks is no role for folks who represent neighborhoods, small businesses, folks outside -- folks who are impacted by homelessness, but are not homeless service providers and have not experienced homelessness themselves. that strikes me as an odd thing. if what this body does, then maybe that makes a lot of sense. figure out how that money gets

allocated, but if this body has the broader role that it seems like some folks think. i think some folks on the body think it does and others who relate to the body think it does, it seems like we have the wrong structure for this body and i'm curious if you have thoughts about that. >> should we have a commission that has the duties, authority, and responsibility and what the other departments are doing in relationship to homelessness that didn't happen and for some of us and i include myself in that, that was a bit disappointing that we reviewed that particular piece because the notion was if we kept it in the proposed language of the

bill, we would have lost, there were people who would not support a commission z i also believe it could be expanded up to nine members and others beyond lived experience. i myself lived in the '70s at the paige hotel. that was a difficult place to be in those days and it's night in 2022, it's still a difficult place to be. >> chairman: thank you, mr. loyce. why don't we open this item.

>> clerk: yes. for those listening remotely please call (415) 655-0001. then enter the meeting id 24869953 then you will need to press star 3 to enter the speaker line. and that will begin your cue to begin your comments. i believe we have one in person right now. >> thank you. it's an honor to be speaking with you today: i'm a long time service.

i'm here today to speak in support of gary mccoy's application. i firmly believe that lived experience is a very important invaluable stool and and i think gary brings a unique combination of elements. and, you know, the linkage center. as well as the state commission. but also a deep understanding of policy. and the supervisor's office right here in san francisco and a deep understanding of what's happening in san francisco and you've combined that with his lived experience.

i've known gary personally i don't know where the years went. and i've seen his journey and i'm so proud of him. i'm just inspired and amazing by his journey and those combination of elements is a very unique combination and i think it would be an essential asset and i hope you'll support his nomination. >> chairman: thank you. why don't we go to remote public comment. >> clerk: yes. seeing the end of in-person comment, please press star 3 and wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. we currently have three people on the line for public comment remotely. can we have the next caller,

remotely please. >> chairman: first speaker, please. >> caller: hello, supervisors. my name is alex boyder and i'm calling in support of gary mccoy. it's been my pleasure to work alongside him at health by 360. and curtis bradford as mentioned, gary has a ton of unique experiences that make him grate for this role. and as well as his professional work at health right 360 working with people who are homeless themselves. and his long advocacy and involvement with these issues in san francisco as well as in the state of california. so, again, calling in support of gary mccoy and thank you for your time. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please.

>> caller: hi. it's sarah shore with home rise. we're a permanent supportive housing provider and so we're well familiar with the local homeless coordinating board and i think both mary kate bacalao and gary mccoy would be amazing new members of the board. i'm calling to support both of them. mary kate has a great mixture of a legal background and then a lot of experience with homeless service systems both in her role as the hespa cochair at compass and the other agencies she's worked for. i also think it's important that she's not just a mother, but has been working for a

family homeless service agency so she can push that perspective of the family and she's just a very compassionate, for smart and committed person gary has experience with recovery and that topic is important these days and important to have that perspective. and eye leader as a member of the lgbtq community which is also an important community to represent on the board and, of course, if he has a lot of experience with service clifry. thank you. >> chairman: thank you. next speaker, please.

>> caller: david pillpell again. i had called to support jeffery bourne. you can either thank him or chastise him for his work. and if he has withdrawn his application for disappointment at this time, then perhaps another appointment would be in order for him if he's interested in serving as a city. and thanks for listening. >> chairman: thank you. and i believe the clerk of this committee said precisely that, dr. bourne that we hope he will apply and bring his skills and

oversight. are there any other members of the public or board on this item? >> clerk: i believe we have one additional caller. >> chairman: next speaker, please. >> caller: hi there. hi there. thank you. i'm with community services. i'm also a resident of the mission district and i'm calling to support mary kate bacalao. i've seen a balance representation from her. and being from the neighborhood that has been overlooked in some of our services in terms of homelessness services that we provide to the adult shelters, i feel confident with mary kate, there will be a balanced approached with that.

i feel it's a good edition and also being a woman and the only woman that i see on the roster is something also to uplift. we don't have female shelters and so i would like that also to be uplifted in this conversation. >> chairman: thank you. are there any remaining speakers? >> clerk: thanks our last remote speaker. >> chairman: okay. public comment is closed and just by way of reminding my colleagues and members of the public, the local homeless coordinating board has nine members. that would be seat number nine and four by the mayor. and this information may be outdated, but it would appear to me that the mayor's seats

are all up and subject to reappointment and we have a tough decision and i want to thank all the applicants. relative to their subject matter expertise and lived experience. so it is a tough decision to make and i look to you, colleagues, for thoughts and suggestions but would like to reach out to the mayor's office to see if one or the other candidates could otherwise be accommodated. as a matter of fact, i think that seat number two, that individual may have actually resigned. do we know, mr. young, as to seats one, two, three, and four

as to whether or not i have what is in the board packet which shows that all of those seats actually expired three years ago, but i don't know. >> clerk: i cannot provide definitive information. >> chairman: then i believe, is there anybody on the call from the department of homelessness and supportive housing. i think they have a meeting right now as well to inform us. >> clerk: it does not appear they are logged in to our meeting at this time. >> chairman: okay. supervisor mandelman. >> supervisor mandelman: i'm certainly not going to object to more representation for district eight. and so if a conversation with the mayor's office might help with that, i would certainly be supportive. i want to underscore the point i was sort of beginning to get

at with commission president loyce that i think that we have an abundance of bodies that provide oversight of some part of 0 our homeless services delivery system and, yet, no clear role for neighbors in neighborhoods impacted by homelessness. small businesses that may be dealing with homelessness related issues. this is true both on the prophesy oversight and local homelessness coordinating board. i think it would be good to have someone like mark nagel on a body and i think we leave out a very large part of the conversation and we don't include that. as i look at the criteria for the local homeless coordinating board is hard to see how that voice even makes itself heard which is disappointing to me. i would, you know, if i had to pick at this point, i think,

you know, mr. mccoy in light of his lived experience and his service on state bodies that look at homelessness, you know would have the edge for me, but i certainly would be not adverse to having these folks on the committee. >> chairman: and i'm happy to reach out to the mayor's office and see if they would be willing or able to accommodate one or the other. supervisor chan. >> supervisor chan: i actually am in agreement with the caller, sarah short that, you know, who called in support. and so it's really a hard decision in my opinion in this. i do agree with the by laws or the advice by the city attorney

pierson that we can see someone like mr. nagel, you know, just wouldn't meet that criteria to be appointed, but i do agree that they should ought to have a voice, but just know that the board meeting is always open to the public and the public can always to come in and voice their opinion. i think it's more or less about the decision-making process be it about policy or contracts and budget. so i just kind of want to say that mr. nagel should not be discouraged and give advice and opinions to the board. so i am open minded to ms.

bacalao and to know be the mayor's office is. when it comes to the commission, the appointment seems to be fairly open minded and willing to have discussion. >> chairman: thank you, supervisor chan. mr. mccoy, if i may and i think you've answered this, but i know have information at my disposal as to the mayor's seats. there is indeed one that is evacuee cannot and so i just wanted to, this is a process of elimination that you have experienced homelessness. >> yes, that's correct. >> chairman: okay. because that particular seat, seat number one which is vacant now, that is the sole and absolute criteria for that seat. with that knowledge, my

inclination would be to suggest ms. bacalao for seat number eight and then i will then endeavor to work with the mayor's office today to see if they would be willing to appoint mr. mccoy to seat number one for which he is indeed pursuant to the administrative code requirements qualifieded. if that is satisfactory to this body, i would make that motion to appoint mary kate bacalao to seat nine. >> clerk: yes, on the motion to appoint mary kate bacalao to seat eight and james loyce jr.

to seat nine. [roll call] the motion passes without objection. >> chairman: we are adjourned.

>> my name is alan schumer. i am a fourth generation san franciscan. in december, this building will be 103 years of age.

it is an incredibly rich, rich history. [♪♪♪] >> my core responsibility as city hall historian is to keep the history of this building alive. i am also the tour program manager, and i chair the city advisory commission. i have two ways of looking at my life. i want it to be -- i wanted to be a fashion designer for the movies, and the other one, a political figure because i had some force from family members,

so it was a constant battle between both. i ended up, for many years, doing the fashion, not for the movies, but for for san franciscan his and then in turn, big changes, and now i am here. the work that i do at city hall makes my life a broader, a richer, more fulfilling than if i was doing something in the garment industry. i had the opportunity to develop relationships with my docents. it is almost like an extended family. i have formed incredible relationships with them, and also some of the people that come to take a tour. she was a dressmaker of the

first order. i would go visit her, and it was a special treat. i was a tiny little girl. i would go with my wool coat on and my special little dress because at that period in time, girls did not wear pants. the garment industry had the -- at the time that i was in it and i was a retailer, as well as the designer, was not particularly favourable to women. you will see the predominant designers, owners of huge complexes are huge stores were all male. women were sort of relegated to a lesser position, so that, you reached a point where it was a difficult to survive and survive financially. there was a woman by the name of diana. she was editor of the bazaar,

and evoke, and went on and she was a miraculous individual, but she had something that was a very unique. she classified it as a third i. will lewis brown junior, who was mayor of san francisco, and was the champion of reopening this building on january 5th of 1999. i believe he has not a third eye , but some kind of antenna attached to his head because he had the ability to go through this building almost on a daily basis during the restoration and corrects everything so that it would appear as it was when it opened in december of 1915. >> the board of supervisors

approved that, i signed it into law. jeffrey heller, the city and county of san francisco oh, and and your band of architects a great thing, just a great thing. >> to impart to the history of this building is remarkable. to see a person who comes in with a gloomy look on their face , and all of a sudden you start talking about this building, the gloomy look disappears and a smile registers across their face. with children, and i do mainly all of the children's tours, that is a totally different feeling because you are imparting knowledge that they have no idea where it came from, how it was developed, and you can start talking about how things were before we had computer screens, cell phones,

lake in 1915, the mayor of san francisco used to answer the telephone and he would say, good morning, this is the mayor. >> at times, my clothes make me feel powerful. powerful in a different sense. i am not the biggest person in the world, so therefore, i have to have something that would draw your eye to me. usually i do that through color, or just the simplicity of the look, or sometimes the complication of the look. i have had people say, do those shoes really match that outfit? retirement to me is a very strange words. i don't really ever want to

retire because i would like to be able to impart the knowledge that i have, the knowledge that i have learned and the ongoing honor of working in the people's palace. you want a long-term career, and you truly want to give something to do whatever you do, so long as you know that you are giving to someone or something you're then yourself. follow your passion and learn how to enrich the feelings along the way.

i worked on the it for 16+ years and i workeded an endless cycle of people going to the emergency room. i wanted to address those unmet needs. i have a satisfaction when we make a real difference in our clients' lives. we were getting people housed, connecting them to treatment, and seeing them through sobriety. don't be afraid of failure. i have failed at things in my career and they are opportunities to continue on. it's important for women and women and people of color to see representation matters. when i first started my career 25 years ago, there were not that many other women. so it is amazing to respond to meetings and go to meetings and see other female leaders and learn from each other.

this career is my dream job from working on [ indiscernible ] to being the chief and overseeing a division. it's been challenging and rewarding and inspiring. - >> tenderloin is unique neighborhood where geographically place in downtown san francisco and on every street corner have liquor store in the corner it stores pretty much every single block has a liquor store but there are impoverishes grocery stores i'm the co-coordinated of the healthy corner store collaboration close to 35 hundred residents 4 thousand are children the medium is about

$23,000 a year so a low income neighborhood many new immigrants and many people on fixed incomes residents have it travel outside of their neighborhood to assess fruits and vegetables it can be come senator for seniors and hard to travel get on a bus to get an apple or a pear or like tomatoes to fit into their meals my my name is ryan the co-coordinate for the tenderloin healthy store he coalition we work in the neighborhood trying to support small businesses and improving access to healthy produce in the tenderloin that is one of the most neighborhoods

that didn't have access to a full service grocery store and we california together out of the meeting held in 2012 through the major development center the survey with the corners stores many stores do have access and some are bad quality and an overwhelming support from community members wanting to utilities the service spas we decided to work with the small businesses as their role within the community and bringing more fresh produce produce cerebrothe neighborhood their compassionate about creating a healthy environment when we get into the work they rise up to leadership. >> the different stores and assessment and trying to get them to understand the value of having healthy foods at a

reasonable price you can offer people fruits and vegetables and healthy produce they can't afford it not going to be able to allow it so that's why i want to get involved and we just make sure that there are alternatives to people can come into a store and not just see cookies and candies and potting chips and that kind of thing hi, i'm cindy the director of the a preif you believe program it is so important about healthy retail in the low income community is how it brings that health and hope to the communities i worked in the tenderloin for 20 years the difference you walk out the door and there is a bright new list of fresh fruits

and vegetables some place you know is safe and welcoming it makes. >> huge difference to the whole environment of the community what so important about retail environments in those neighborhoods it that sense of dignity and community safe way. >> this is why it is important for the neighborhood we have families that needs healthy have a lot of families that live up here most of them fruits and vegetables so that's good as far been doing good. >> now that i had this this is really great for me, i, go and get fresh fruits and vegetables it is healthy

being a diabetic you're not supposed to get carbons but getting extra food a all carbons not eating a lot of vegetables was bringing up my whether or not pressure once i got on the program everybody o everything i lost weight and my blood pressure came down helped in so many different ways the most important piece to me when we start seeing the business owners engagement and their participation in the program but how proud to speak that is the most moving piece of this program yes economic and social benefits and so forth but the personal pride business

owners talk about in the program is interesting and regarding starting to understand how they're part of the larger fabric of the community and this is just not the corner store they have influence over their community. >> it is an owner of this in the department of interior i see the great impact usually that is like people having especially with a small family think liquor store sells alcohol traditional alcohol but when they see this their vision is changed it is a small grocery store for them so they more options not just beer and wine but healthy options good for the business and good

for the community i wish to have we spoke with people regardless of what they are. that is when you see change. that is a lead advantage. so law enforcement assistance diversion to work with individuals with nonviolent related offenses to offer an alternative to an arrest and the county jail. >> we are seeing reduction in drug-related crimes in the pilot

area. >> they have done the program for quite a while. they are successful in reducing the going to the county jail. >> this was a state grant that we applied for. the department is the main administrator. it requires we work with multiple agencies. we have a community that includes the da, rapid transit police and san francisco sheriff's department and law enforcement agencies, public defender's office and adult probation to work together to look at the population that ends up in criminal justice and how they will not end up in jail. >> having partners in the nonprofit world and the public defender are critical to the success.

we are beginning to succeed because we have that cooperation. >> agencies with very little connection are brought together at the same table. >> collaboration is good for the department. it gets us all working in the same direction. these are complex issues we are dealing with. >> when you have systems as complicated as police and health and proation and jails and nonprofits it requires people to come to work together so everybody has to put their egos at the door. we have done it very, very well. >> the model of care where police, district attorney, public defenders are community-based organizations are all involved to worked towards the common goal. nobody wants to see drug users in jail. they want them to get the

correct treatment they need. >> we are piloting lead in san francisco. close to civic center along market street, union plaza, powell street and in the mission, 16th and mission. >> our goal in san francisco and in seattle is to work with individuals who are cycling in and out of criminal justice and are falling through the cracks and using this as intervention to address that population and the racial disparity we see. we want to focus on the mission in tender loan district. >> it goes to the partners that hired case managers to deal directly with the clients. case managers with referrals from the police or city agencies

connect with the person to determine what their needs are and how we can best meet those needs. >> i have nobody, no friends, no resources, i am flat-out on my own. i witnessed women getting beat, men getting beat. transgenders getting beat up. i saw people shot, stabbed. >> these are people that have had many visits to the county jail in san francisco or other institutions. we are trying to connect them with the resources they need in the community to break out of that cycle. >> all of the referrals are coming from the law enforcement agency. >> officers observe an offense. say you are using. it is found out you are in possession of drugs, that constituted a lead eligible defense.

>> the officer would talk to the individual about participating in the program instead of being booked into the county jail. >> are you ever heard of the leads program. >> yes. >> are you part of the leads program? do you have a case worker? >> yes, i have a case manager. >> when they have a contact with a possible lead referral, they give us a call. ideally we can meet them at the scene where the ticket is being issued. >> primarily what you are talking to are people under the influence of drugs but they will all be nonviolent. if they were violent they wouldn't qualify for lead. >> you think i am going to get arrested or maybe i will go to jail for something i just did because of the substance abuse issues i am dealing with. >> they would contact with the outreach worker. >> then glide shows up, you are

not going to jail. we can take you. let's meet you where you are without telling you exactly what that is going to look like, let us help you and help you help yourself. >> bring them to the community assessment and services center run by adult probation to have assessment with the department of public health staff to assess the treatment needs. it provides meals, groups, there are things happening that make it an open space they can access. they go through detailed assessment about their needs and how we can meet those needs. >> someone who would have entered the jail system or would have been arrested and book order the charge is diverted to social services. then from there instead of them going through that system, which

hasn't shown itself to be an effective way to deal with people suffering from suable stance abuse issues they can be connected with case management. they can offer services based on their needs as individuals. >> one of the key things is our approach is client centered. hall reduction is based around helping the client and meeting them where they are at in terms of what steps are you ready to take? >> we are not asking individuals to do anything specific at any point in time. it is a program based on whatever it takes and wherever it takes. we are going to them and working with them where they feel most comfortable in the community. >> it opens doors and they get access they wouldn't have had otherwise. >> supports them on their goals. we are not assigning goals working to come up with a plan what success looks like to them. >> because i have been in the

field a lot i can offer different choices and let them decide which one they want to go down and help them on that path. >> it is all on you. we are here to guide you. we are not trying to force you to do what you want to do or change your mind. it is you telling us how you want us to help you. >> it means a lot to the clients to know there is someone creative in the way we can assist them. >> they pick up the phone. it was a blessing to have them when i was on the streets. no matter what situation, what pay phone, cell phone, somebody else's phone by calling them they always answered. >> in office-based setting somebody at the reception desk and the clinician will not work for this population of drug users on the street. this has been helpful to see the

outcome. >> we will pick you up, take you to the appointment, get you food on the way and make sure your needs are taken care of so you are not out in the cold. >> first to push me so i will not be afraid to ask for help with the lead team. >> can we get you to use less and less so you can function and have a normal life, job, place to stay, be a functioning part of the community. it is all part of the home reduction model. you are using less and you are allowed to be a viable member of the society. this is an important question where lead will go from here. looking at the data so far and seeing the successes and we can build on that and as the department based on that where the investments need to go. >> if it is for five months.

>> hopefully as final we will come up with a model that may help with all of the communities in the california. >> i want to go back to school to start my ged and go to community clean. >> it can be somebody scaled out. that is the hope anyway. >> is a huge need in the city. depending on the need and the data we are getting we can definitely see an expansion. >> we all hope, obviously, the program is successful and we can implement it city wide. i think it will save the county millions of dollars in emergency services, police services, prosecuting services. more importantly, it will save lives.

what's -- welcome, commissioners. staff member and the public to the healing commission meeting of april fifth 20 twoochl this molt suggest called to order. secretary, call the roll. commissioner chung? >> present. commissioner chow? >> present. >> commissioner guillermo. >> present. >> comio