that's in map four d like delta. we live in a former industrial landscape with areas formally zoned for polluted -- for 20 plus years, bay view, hunters point, a trar potrero and dog patch worked together and please don't use our freeways as dividing lining. they pollute and dissect our communities and don't divide our efforts to work on pollution and traffic safety and urban planning. the community work works together for 20 plus years starting with supervisor maxwell terms and shutting down power plants and reducing accidents and fatalities on our road and three current projects, two in bay view and one in dog patch on one than less 2 miles of road which accounts for 112 accidents and we need safer streets and one

supervisor representing us over here. map four d comes closest to aligning with district four unity map and still missing potrero flats and show place and little hollywood. please move forward with map four d like delta. thank you. >> thank you, john for sharing your comments with the task force. could we hear from the next speaker, please. >> carissa, are you there >> yes, i am. i had to unmute my receive. please go ahead.

[speaking non-english] >> interpreter:. yeah, good evening, everyone. my name is wong. i live in urban street which is a part of the inner sunset and so, let's see. we spend a lot of time going shop and to consume in that area and i know that some of the civil rights district when it comes to mapping, i know a lot of people from our community that wanted

to have it to b four. i couldn't hear which part that needed to go back to d four and i wanted the task force to hear their opinion. if you would like to, the interpreter can get clarification from the speaker. >> please. [speaking non-english] >> interpreter: the interpreter was trying to clarify which part they wanted to have it go back to d4. >> thank you danny for sharing your comment with the task force and thank you carissa for bringing interpretation of the comments. just taking a note for the timestamp for this caller. could we get the next speaker,

please. >> hello. >> hello, please begin. >> >> hello. >> carissa, are you there? [speaking non-english] >> yes, i'm here. >> please begin.

>> interpreter: okay. hi, good evening. my name is may and i work -- plan b was not adopted

where district ten was not -- so map four b was not adopted and we wish valley could be combined together with visitation rent because that would help strengthen the asian or chinese community political power and our parents and siblings, they all live in that community so we feel like they should be combined together. my second point is i actually work around the area near sunset which is a 14 avenue west. i have two kids. one goes to lake shore elementary school and the other child goes to lowell high school. i feel strongly that lowell high school and the area along 14th avenue, west of 14th

avenue should be a part of sunset which is district 4. that way once again, i like to express it will help strengthen the asian communities of political power and i really appreciate you giving me the chance and hear my opinion. thank you very much. >> oh, thank you. >> thank you may for sharing your comment. and thank you for providing interpretation and comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> hi. >> hello. [speaking non-english] >> hi.

>> interpreter: okay. sorry. i have simultaneous interpreter interpreting at the same time while speakers is speaking so it may not be heard clearly. so the interpreter will try her best. i

live on the first street in the richmond district. it's a part of the d2. but a lot of people would think that maybe this place has a higher concentration of cohesion population but in reality, a lot of our neighbors are chinese and we are working class and we are renters with tenants so it would make more sense to make this part of our community go back to d1. so thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments and providing interpretation and comments. i understand that we have at this time 77 callers listening to the meeting and of them, there are 25 who have indicated they want to speak on the mapping item whom we have not yet heard. could we be connected to the next speaker, please.

>> i'm not in the garage. >> hello, please begin. >> hello. hello. hello. >> carissa, could you -- [speaking non-english] >> interpreter: please, go

ahead. okay. good evening, i'm so sorry. i'm a little nervous, but i would like to express my opinion tonight. i'm a member of the bhc and like to say that i'm very disappointed that the map four b was not adopted because you know, patrol valley and (indiscernible) are closely together. it doesn't make sense that they're separated. i'm also, i would like to say that i

wish the 14th avenue west of the sunset district can be a part of the d4 and please keep lowell high school in sunset because you really make more sense geographically because lowell high school on the outer skirt of sunset. so that was what i wanted to say tonight. thank you. >> thank you so much for the comments and thank you for interpretation of the comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> hello. >> hello, please begin. >> hello. >> yes, please begin. >> >> oh, sorry. >> yes. my name is marina and i live in district four but have i two children that reside in district two even though one of them actually lives in the richmond district. and at any time you ask where does he live

and he says the richmond district. sea cliff and north of lake street is a part of the richmond district and it should be in district one. residents of sea cliff and (indiscernible) terrace, they shop at clement street and they go on gary boulevard. having said that, the conclusion to add sea cliff and north of -- to district one must be preserved to maintain a geographically compact and legal district. the richmond is very versify socially and racially and economic sxik this diversity makes it special. immigrants from asia and -- i oppose and

i'm offended by any testimony that rejects people who live on the other side of the street. as far the inner sunset and golden gate heights, that must stay in district seven and both neighborhoods have expressed they want to remain together. that's it. thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments with the task force, marina. can we get the next speaker, please. is there a caller on the line? just a re minder for the folks waiting for their opportunity to give comments, if you hear either, you have been unmuted or you hear, beep, beep, those are your signal to begin your comments. this is an unattended line. we'll come back around to it. could we hear from the next speaker, please. >> >> hi, can you hear me? >> yes, please begin.

>> my name is danielle love and i live in the lower east in district five. and i want to express appreciation for map four d generally for keeping the rest of district five intact. but it cuts out my neighborhood a few blocks of my neighborhood to feel very connected to the rest of lower haight and district five. we have no connection to district eight. it's a cross market street, the rest of the neighborhoods of district eight is not anywhere that our family really frequents our whole lives are in district five so i feel really strongly about remaining part of district five and keeping low haight neighborhood intact. we have a strong connection between our neighborhood and the rest of the district and we are concerned about an arbitrary division cutting off the few blocks of the lower haight from district

five and putting them into district eight. specifically, i'm requesting you to restore to district five the three blocks between waller and herman from steiner to buchanan and haight and waller from webster to buchanan and the block between haight and waller from laguna and octavia and thank you for your work. have a good night. >> thank you, danielle love for sharing your comments with the task force. can we get the next speaker >> john carol. steven carrier from district 11. i heard earlier before the break, there was a member of the ocean avenue merchants association that called in. and we have talked about bringing district 11 whole and he's actually stated that ocean avenue should be whole on

both sides. i think we've talked about that not only in four b, but also for the lake view neighborhood bringing ocean avenue in. plus all these other areas that i'd suggested regarding district 11 (indiscernible). thank you so much. this is going to be a long evening and i remember these from ten years ago, 20 years ago when we were here from 2:00 to 3:00 a.m. so thank you for your service. thank you for listening to me. >> thank you steven for sharing your comments. task force, can we get the next speak are, please. >> is there a caller on the line

>> yes, hi, yes. [speaking non-english] >> interpreter: this is a cantonese speaker. please go ahead. okay. it's very difficult to hear the speaker, but i'll

try my best. (indiscernible) near the lowell high school and it's close to the sunset district because we go sthop at the farmer's market there and our neighborhoods would like us to -- would like us to be a part of the supervisory district four, of d four. thank you very much for listening to my opinion. >> thank you for your comment. thank you for providing interpretation and comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> good evening, task force members. my name is david hooper. i'm calling from district 11. i want to support that portion of map four d that extends district 11 from holloway to ocean avenue between

herald and ashton and that portion of the four d map that extends between alamian and, pardon me, interstate 220 north of kingly. the focus of this, this is a restoration of what was required that we relinquish ten years ago and it brings us right on the point of being at 79,545 population. i think that the real focus that i would ask you to return to is proportional representation. i would also like to say district 11 is a diverse community and we celebrate our diversity. it is a challenge and it is worthwhile for any community to celebrate

their own community and the adjacent communities but i have heard tonight many comments about exclusion and i'm wondering whether some people would like to erect a wall between one street and another in world and exclude people in their communities. i look forward to seeing all of you, all nine of you apply for this position ten years from now, so we can revisit this episode. thank you for your efforts. >> thank you, david hooper for sharing your comments with the task force. could we hear from the next speaker, please. >> good evening, task force members and my name is martin powell and i want to congratulate you on advancing map four d, for take all our community input on how to improve map four d. i'm calling

to correct sea cliff and west lake park and palacio. these were not gerrymandering ten years ago and they've been the same since 1925 and sea cliff and west clay park and palacio into d two where they stayed. the neighborhoods were not gerrymandering during the last districting and voters put them there and they should stay. task force reinforce this boundary so i urge the task force to respect the will of the voters and keep these neighborhoods in d two. it's not -- api voting base and d four from healthy home precincts who overwhelmingly vote against tenant rights and vote against voting rights for immigrants and youth and palacio and state prop one of rent control, 2020 prop g, vote 16 and november 2016 prop and non-citizen vote and school board elections and terrace

voted no on that and richmond voted yes. maybe neighborhoods are marginalized communities but their voting says otherwise. add the bare minimum of blocks between california and lake west third avenue. bloshgs historically in d one and keep the neighborhoods in d one which would bring the population within five percent. g2 -- they would add the 95 boundary lives i think it will go a long way about historical division of palacio terrace. thank you for your time and we're almost there. just remember to breathe. >> thank you mark powell for sharing your comments with the task force. we have 69 callers and there's 16 from whom we have not heard. can we have the next speaker, please. >> hello. >> hello, please begin.

>> hi. my name is leslie and i'm a resident of g2. and i want to say thank you so much for your time. it has been a long time tonight. i'm calling simply to say and i've been listening to these calls for hours and it's distressing to hear all the discharging comments based on -- disparaging comments based on bigotry and phobia about my neighbors in sea cliff and palacio and north lake. the reasons -- and not including them in the d one. the disparaging comments have been a distortion and these people calling in to say it should not happen is pure political pressure. this is not what is best for our city. it's what's best for the survival of the progressive power structure who will do whatever it takes to

hold onto the power. please stick to your purview and redraw the district maps without this political pressure. the task force had a specifically directive and makes districts equal in size and make them compact under the federal voters rights act. i hope you'll do the right thing and follow the law and not politics. we have the rule of law to rely on to protect all of our rights and please keep everything north of lake in the new map of district one. please make d one compact and as close to the one percent standard deviation as possible and please adopt map four b as in boy. just look at the current map and the proposed d maps. it's beyond obvious that north of lake was gerrymandered out from d one. thank you so much for your time. goodnight. >> thank you, leslie for sharing

your comments with the task force. can we have the next speaker, please. >> hello. can you hear me? >> yes, please begin. >> good evening, task force. my name is (indiscernible), manager of the japan cultural district and 44 year resident of san francisco. again, i really thank you for your time and energy and service to the people of san francisco. map four is our preference in japan town. i ask that the task force please consider restoring the northern and upper western boundary lines of the current district five map to include (indiscernible) full located at 250 pine street between fierce and scott and doing so will give four blocks back to d 2 along pine street and for us to pick up the two blocks to include city town preschool and a map was

submitted earlier this morning by dr. emily from the task force. again, i thank each of you and the members and carol. i appreciate your patience and humor and work in managing this process, thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments. could we get the next speaker, please. >> hi. my name is frank of the sunset community club. i live in inner sunset with map four d. that's d for delta. we support unifying the district seven according to its natural contiguous boundaries from 19 avenue east from golden gate park south. please don't da lute asian-american voters strengthen in district seven in the inner sunset and the areas of golden gate park. this means fewer

asian voters in district seven and making it more difficult to get elected (indiscernible). we see a mandate to support those of interest. it's time to unify the inner sunset in one supervisor district. i want to say the inner sunset is one community and they should not be separated and sunset serves -- it's the largest in the city and it's not just one side of kirkum. we support the map that unifies district two north of

lake street and (indiscernible). thank you very much. >> thank you frank noto for sharing your comments with the task force. can we get the next speaker, please. >> >> hi task force members and i'm in district five. thank you for adopting this version of the match in the western addition of fillmore. (indiscernible) this is difficult work. you're doing something historic and thank you for your time. i also have -- sorry, never mind. that's it, thank you. >> thank you curtis for sharing your comments with the task force. can we get next speaker, please. >> hello >> yes, please begin. >> thank you. first i want to

thank the task force. you guys have a really difficult job and i'm not here to make it any easier, but i do appreciate your effort. [laughter] since moving to san francisco in 1982, i've only lived in district three on telegraph hill and russian hill where i reside to this day. much of my life is centered around the northeastern corner of the city i call home. i walk to and from my first job in jackson square stopping at hookah shops and restaurants and deli's and bakeries and et ceteras along the way. covid limited my activities, it has highlighted the importance of the neighborhood serving businesses and services i patronize in north beach and along polk street. such as north beach library, the 94311 post officer and washington square park, cold hardware, walgreens as well as too many for me

actually. and restaurants and pastry shops. i'm speaking personally, i'm a member of russian hill neighbors and north beach neighbors. i echo their positions that we share a common interest and our voices are much more impactful when united for the common good and indeed the 21 organizations who all wish to remain in district three represent a strong community of interest which will best serve our residents and businesses. (indiscernible) is the logical western boundary of district three. please do not split russian hill into two districts nor separate it from other like minded organizations in district three. and i do really thank you guys for all your hard work and i hope you make the right decision about district three. thank you very much. >> thank you so much for sharing your comments. could we get next speaker, please. >> my name is dan and i'm a 47

year renter and a president of sharp. a long standing neighborhood association based in the northern part of district seven. shepherd and had a good relationship with our current and past supervisors and the other district seven neighbor organizations including the inner sunset neighborhoods and golden heights neighbor association and sunset merchant. including me belong to two or more organizations and we feel even though we're under different names we have common interest around the inner sunset and four groups work together on issues that affect us such as muni elections and disaster plan and sharp held a meeting in our community room for years and there's larger meetings at the county fair building inside golden gate park at ninth avenue in conjunction with the other neighbor of organizations including candidate nights, audiences up to 300 neighborhood

residents. we come together around ninth area and commercial district. i live on the northern district 7, but i walk three blogs but i work to the drug store and restaurants and all are in district five but still my neighborhood. i'm in favor of four d. set the eastern boundary of our neighborhood bringing inner sunset area into one cohesive district. the current eastern boundary and 19th avenue and we realize they may need to expand but we hope that expansion goes south and not east into our neighborhood. one proposed map (indiscernible) into three districts right in the middle our neighbors and it should be drawn with more significant streets and geographical boundary and the divisions would place our sharp

members and other -- >> speaker's time is conclude. thank you dennis for sharing your comments with the task force. can we have the next speaker, please. [speaking non-english] >> yes, just a moment here. is francisco here for consecutive interpretation now? hang on for a moment. francisco host, are you there >> yes, i'm here. can you hear me >> yes, i can. could you get the speaker started? [speaking non-english]

>> interpreter: very well. thank

you. good evening to you all and first i'd like to give my thanks to the task force for the great work they are doing. we know this is tedious but it's very important for democratic process. i live with my family

on third avenue at cunant and i support, first of tall, i see there's a lot of families, a lot of people with low-income, a lot of senior citizens and i want to support the community unity process. specifically, i'm asking that there be an extension, the district one line be maintained along ray and california and that is the extended to third avenue and that it goes east to anna vista. i also ask that it's extended eastward along usf san francisco

along (indiscernible) and through the visa dero westward along gary boulevard. thank you very much for your attention and once again, thanks to the task force and thank you to my interpreter. thank you very much. goodnight and i yield the rest of my time. >> thank you very much, francisco for sharing the interpretation of the speaker's comments. could we hear the next speaker, please. >> good evening. it seems like you're going to have a much longer night. i hope you get some sleep. i'm allyson. thank you for moving map four d forward for district ten. it's

merely identical to what the (indiscernible) saturday and we're in strong support. i can't speak for neighborhoods and as far as district ten is concerned, there's no need for changes or the hard choices that were mentioned by task members at the last meeting. priority is supposed to be on conserving the course of existing districts and you heard over and over about honoring potrero hill and indian basin and hunters point, silver terrace, little hollywood and visitation valley. it establishes our goal of urn nighting district ten and keeps our established neighborhoods intact under single supervisor. don't fix what isn't broken, thank you so much. >> thank you allyson health for sharing your comments with the task force. i want to note we

have ten folks left in the queue for agenda item no. two. >> hi, this is robin tucker calling. about i'm the cochair of the pacific avenue neighborhood association. our boundaries are from jones street to van ness and south of washington to north of broadway. we work intimately with telegraph here and gretchen hill neighbors and barbary coast. we ask that you start, respectfully can you start with the natural boundary in san francisco and that's van ness and draw the line down van ness and start the process. we really appreciate your help and we appreciate all your time. thank you so very much. >> thank you robin tucker for sharing your comments with the

task force. can we get the next speaker, please. >> good evening task force members and my name is madison and i'm calling as a member of the chinese democratic club. i'd like to say i support district one and four the way it is in the map four d as in delta. i support sea cliff and lake street be put into district one and on a side note, i used to live in the district as a broke college student. i think it's the same neighborhood and i enjoy it when i lived in the richmond. and that's before lake shore and it should be in district four and i support these changes because it makes these communities of interest, it brings them together and make the districts (indiscernible). i was disappointed that map four b as in boy did not get voted in. we would like to see visitation valley get united because they have a large asian population,

so again, we support d one and d four and we're disappointed to see potrero and visitation valley get separated from four b as in boy. thank you. >> thank you madison for sharing your comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> thank you. my name is cliff barger. i want to thank all callers for expressing their opinions and thank the staff and task force members for their hard work. i'm call calling to advocate for the continued, keeping potrero hill and dog patch. these neighborhoods share a common bond of transportation challenges and on a similar note, i want to urge you to not

feel compelled to keep the neighborhoods going fastest as over -- almost the five percent deviation. i think it's inequitable to keep the growing neighborhoods with the least representation because it will be even less represented in ten years so i know you're not supposed to take into account growth rates, but clearly borders have to change and it's going to happy ven actually -- it's going to happen eventually, so keep representation equitable. one person, one vote. >> thank you for sharing your comments. can we get the next speaker, please. >> hi, my name is mark and i live in the richmond district near northern boundary running

down middle of lake street and i've been following your hard work these past weeks and months and you have an easy lay-up in including sea cliff, lake street and palacio in district d one. thank you for the grandstanding that this will disenfranchise richmond neighbors. it won't. i think you can smell the politics and it will give the neighbors living on an island a voice in their own neighborhood and that's what the core of your duties. more over, it's the most logical way for you to apply your criteria and solve part of your difficult map problem that's facing you. continue it and compact. that's it. david core, trust your instincts and thank you for the work you're doing, have a good evening. >> thank you mark for sharing your comments with the task force. can we get the next

speaker, please. >> hi, police name is (indiscernible). i'm a resident of d ten. i want to thank you for all your hard work and for trying to keep voting equal for four d for people like me on 16th street within the d10 instead of putting us into another district. so i want to thank you for trying to keep all of potrero hill and dog patch together so we can continue on being -- thank you. >> thank you for sharing your comments with the task force. could we hear from the next speaker, please. >> hi. good evening, my name is naj daniels and resident of district ten. i want to thank the task force for their

untiring work and i wanted to raise and encourage the task force to continue with map four d, keeping potrero hill, hunters point, bay view and sunnyvale complete into one district. i do have my boundaries and i will repeat them as i always have with my public comment. the current boundary lines that i'm asking for the task force to consider would be potrero, 16th down to the waterfront around to 101, geneva and mansville and grand park if possible. thank you for taking my comments and i concede the rest of my time. >> thank you, naj daniels for sharing your comments with the task force. can we hear the next speaker, please. >> my name is edward wright. thank you for listening to clear

and trans voices and adopt map four d keeping tenderloin and transgender district together in district six. and keeping twin peaks in district eight. maintain the wise decisions moving forward. i'm also a total resident of district four where i have lived my entire adult life until recently when i moved into district five. i'll add my voice to the chorus adding to review night the sunset and 19th avenue. one of your charges is to keep our neighborhoods whole and the inner sunset as a whole is a nice neighborhood. the inner sunset, central unset and madison sunset is a part of the neighborhood and we share the schools, safe institutions and so much more. it's time to unite the sunset district into district four and you can go east of the felton to kirkum but district four needs to grow and

it is this grow east to unite the sunset, not south, which would (indiscernible) and lake shore from their long standing ties with district seven and the neighborhood association to represent the neighbors which they do not support. i'm edward wright with the milk club. >> thank you edward wright for sharing your comments with the task force. can we get the next speaker, please. >> oh, hi. this is jen with the legal of women's voters of san francisco. the league is looking forward to (indiscernible) to do a live drawing tonight. this is important because you have four meetings left to draft a map after tonight which is wednesday, april 6th. this new special meeting you added today

-- at 3:00 p.m. and friday april 8th and saturday, april 9th. it's getting late. when the public comments are gone, maybe do 30 minute to see how far you can get or alternative, at the next meeting on april 6th, do live line drawings first and do public comment for the meeting. thank you. >> thank you jen for sharing your comments. you're the 140th speaker. could we get the next speaker, please. >> good evening, my name is (indiscernible). i live in district three. i'll a member of abi. i'm a part of district three. 21 neighborhood association in district three have been working together for years. and speak as a common voice. we can live with map four

d. we urge you to bring the western district. it's a natural historical boundary. we ask you to mix in the enrichment of our neighborhood and keep our community together. keep russian hill and china town and north beach and north beach whole and in district three. we are a community of interest and we have a long history of great collaboration. i want to thank every member of the task force for your hard work. i yield the remainder of my time. >> thank you philip for sharing your comment with the task force. and we have one caller left. could we hear from that speaker, please. >> hi. this is lauren from the league of women voters of san francisco. to note a non-partisan nonprofit, so we do not pay for a political party

over another. we want to thank the task force members for your endurance. i don't know if any of you remember what it's like to have a night to yourselves but i don't think i do. thank you for listening to the community and moving forward with map four d. here we were thinking the statement the league shared with the task force on march 31st was done with at the last meeting but some of the public comment tonight has inspired us to share a different part of that statement with you. many people who spoken passionately about the need to pro voting voter power of low-income and asian people in the richmond. in the redistricting task force map four d, the areas of sea cliff and palacio and it's characteristic at odds with most of the richmond and they're moved into district one. we recognize you draw lines tonight, that will prioritize the needs of the most vulnerable

and least represented people in san francisco's new supervisory district map by putting -- we recommend the guiding light to protect the voting power of low-income and renter, and lgbtq and people of color in neighborhoods. thank you so much. >> thank you so much lauren jordan for sharing your comments with the task force. we have someone who is going to join us live in the room, but there has now been another folk, another person who stood up to provide remote public comment. we should hear from them. thank you for your patience. can we connect to the next caller, please. >> thank you, redistricting task force. this is jason henderson. a-valley neighborhood association board, also chair of the transportation and planning committee for hc and a. we

appreciate four d, but it needs finessing and the blocks belong haight and waller from steiner to market and laguna, buchanan and herman should be a part of d five. this is a long-standing community of interest including important traffic and transit concerns and a long time lgbtq community over here. on the northside of market, this is a dense rental district and it really is different from mission dolores re is across market from us. so we urge you to consider that triangle on your maps which is mid-hill to be a part of district five. additionally, we met this evening and talked about the district as a whole and agreed that golden gate park

is this have a portion in d5. so we urge you to put a portion of golden gate park back into district 5 and i thank you. sorry for calling so late and good luck with your deliberations. >> thank you, jason henderson for sharing your comments with the task force. do we have further public comments that want to provide comment on the agenda five. >> there's no callers in the queue. >> mr. chair, we have one person here in room 408 who want to contribute. i'm going to unmute the microphone and please begin for two minutes. >> proceed. >> hi members. my name is josephine. i'm very disappointed that map four b, b for bravo, for d10 did not get voted in. listening to the comments of d1 is different than listening to those of d10. when immigrants need to fit the narrative, we

are elevated. when we do not, we are ignored. where is the consideration for the 57% asian immigrants and the 51% in are (indiscernible) valley. these communities cannot be here. there's none in this valley or san bruno avenue and immigrant folks who live in this spoke before and have technical difficultys and they're struggling for their lives and it's possible for them to be here night after night like so many others can. this is inconsiderate. make sure the rest of 14th is included in district 4 since d5, d7 and inner sunset but we should make sure it makes sense for the coi.

and the rest of 14 in sunset has 50% asian and all businesses are run by asian. please do not ignore us again. please listen to what immigrant people say, where they live, shop and go to school and keep the coi together to make it count. thank you. >> thank you josephine under sharing your comments with the task force. checking one more time with joe atkins to see if we have anyone who want to provide public comment remotely. >> please. >> yes, if you're on item two, still. >> we are on mr. warfield. we're on item no. two. >> thank you. mr. atkins do we have anyone else who want to provide public comment on agenda item no. two who we haven't heard from. >> mr. clerk, no more callers

for agenda number two. >> thank you, mr. clerk, mr. atkins. public comment on item no. two is closed. [applause] >> mr. clerk, we heard from 144 -- >> that's not nice. [laughter] >> the remember is up late, too. thank you and thank you ladies and gentlemen. we joke because we're near delivering, but the reality is we recognize and we're grateful that so many people in this city are interested in what happens before it happens. frequently you get this much interest after something has happened and it's too late and people are saying, when did you do this? so i'm

appreciative of the time they've taken. we've been at this a while since 5:30. i'm looking, who -- you too, wonderful. mr. cooper. >> thank you and yeah, thank you for the public. i do think today, the biggest map we should focus on are six and three, maybe ten and other neighboring districts as needed but that's a good place for us to start. i know we will have a lot of, perhaps, a lot of difficult conversations tonight and one place that maybe a potential place for us to start that maybe easier is with treasure island and (indiscernible) and moving them into district six. i think we've heard a lot of testimony about that and there's a lot of shared connection with the

tenderloin and with selma so my proposal is move the blocks in west selma into, for now at least, district five based on the numbers. i would be open to them going to district nine as well, but if we can -- if we want to get started with that, i have -- get rolling this on. ready to pull up -- oh. there you go. thank you. >> if we can make jimmie clerk in the webex so we can get the live drawing technology operating for everyone to see here in the room and remotely. if i can get the acknowledgement that we can make that change from the webex side, please.

very good. thank you. >> so, we can start with the addition of treasure island and buena island to be six. i believe you'll need to add a block under the bridge to establish contiguity to that. do we have consensus on that? >> yeah, but you can add continuity. >> on the microphones, please. >> you can add continuity on any of the peers from treasure school. >> it's several blocks away. we're better off. there's an unpopulated block under the bridge that can be added. that would establish it that way.

it's a little easier at this stage. >> once we get those in, all the other -- >> we're going to try to coordinate getting one of the wireless mic's in front of jaime clarke. you're going to need it more than i will, so i'll step away for now. you can use this one. >> thank you. i'm going to zoom out so we can see the highlighted area. this is one large water block, the census brock is all water. very large. this highlighted area which

includes treasure island and buena island and i'll zoom in so we can see that little census block right here. and right here and west selma, the western edge of selma. >> great. it looks like that was the case, but let's just focus on this change, so that population that's just, yeah, that's just the population of the islands so that's my request to move into d6 and i have the inverse ready to go as well if you want to do that one. >> thanks, yep.

>> i would like a legal clarification on this. the bridge connection can be -- if it can be where the bridge meets the water or the off-ramp. based on my understanding, we have to be looking at if it's connected via the transportation route. >> actually. >> i don't think that you could actually just use the water block itself, but i would like legal clarification on that front. >> good evening. i'm sorry, if i understand, you're moving the bridge, right? the foot of the bridge. >> there's a part of the bridge that's not in there at the moment. the off-ramp is not a part of that. >> yeah. to be clear, the move right now would be to include, will be include a parcel that's under where the bridge crosses

the threshold of the city and that's enough to establish continuity. if you're able to highlight, if you get a chance to highlight that parcel, that would be added or that block to establish continuity. >> oh, i'm sorry. it doesn't include the ramp. it's further west. >> that's current. it's just the little -- >> i can look into this further wednesday but it's safer to move the ramp in wednesday because as your colleague pointed out, there's a connection. it's underneath the bridge right now. >> do we need both sides of the ramp? is two-way traffic necessary for continuity? >> at least this move, let's say one of the ramps needs to be connected. >> okay. then let's do that. that adds a few more people, but

-- >> i want to highlight that bryant street is a ramp. bryant street does have a ramp. >> okay. >> so, i think -- >> huh. >> yeah. >> so that's fine. okay. so, that's all good then. we can make that change to six, to add to six. >> the back-end does need to be added. >> no, the extra highlighted thing is the ramp, so.... that is, i don't think he needs that part in the middle. he just needs what's highlighted. he can add what's highlighted to six and we can go over to the other -- are you good with that? and then i'm going to put forth in the westside of selma. and a

little flexibility on the numbers on this, but the area abounded by tenth street, howard street, the 101 freeway and market which should have 3925, i would say to move that to district 5 to make up for treasure island and buena island. >> one moment place. >> the streets do weird angles over there? that was howard e tenth street to the 101 to market? >> yes.

>> so this area? >> yes. >> should i make this change? >> so the only concern i have is that that does cut into the filipino community cultural which goes up to 11th. >> right. >> do you wish to -- >> if we can cut it down even, how many people, is that between 11th and 10th? >> does it make a difference? >> it does. it's 6.17%. >> right. >> i say we try it and see if there's other spaces we can cut. >> what other spaces would you

suggest? >> yeah. >> so, i appreciate obviously the fact that the east cbd is kept full, kept whole, but there are sub segments, sub recognized neighborhoods like the trans bay redevelopment area. it might be of interest to explore because that is principally where the low-income residents live. >> i really -- i was hoping to try to have that conversation a little later, so we can keep it at 11th for now, i guess. i do think that tenth will make a lot more sense, but that will depend on what else we do with everything else. >> okay. >> i'm uncomfortable with tenth but we can start with 11th and i'll turn it over to others to begin the conversation about east cut and others. i wanted to

get treasure island out of the way before we forgot about it. thanks. >> i'll commit this change. and kind of zoom out. -- and ready to go anywhere else on the map. >> chair townsend. >> oh, i'm sorry. two. >> so, i actually, i wanted to tackle d1 and d4 given the fact we heard so much from members of the public and since it's kind of fresh many my mind since i've been doing a lot of thinking

about it, yeah. so, that's fine. i actually have a presentation because i needed to visualize a lot of the things that we kneed to do. >> i would object to that. i do think we agreed on saturday we would be focusing on district 3 and district 6. so i do object to that. >> since we agreed to that, we ought to stick to it, although i do want to get into one myself because i have some things about it that probably aren't what some of you maybe thinking, but i have a very long memory, so but we did agree to three and six so -- especially since it's the hour it is, why don't we kind of agree to stick to that and then we'll get on the other

ones at our next meeting and i say that recognizing that it is 11:12. so -- >> yeah. >> you younger folk can -- >> i'm okay with this. i just do want to recognize that. i mean, we're, like, four or five-day as way from the deadline and sometimes i think it's necessary to be flexible and it's respectful to the members of the public who gave so much comment about one and four, so that's it. >> i recognize that and if the other members want to do it that way, i'm ready to hear. >> i think we need to focus on district 3 and 6 and district 6 is over population. we need to settle that first. >> anybody else? what are we

doing? ms. pierce. >> so, i would be willing to focus on 3 and 6. i've always said we needed to start with that instead of the low-hanging fruit with the caveat i would like for us to start with lake and everything above and below lake next meeting, on wednesday. i'd like to start with that and then we can move on. i'd like to have that settled, so.... is that okay with you? >> we need to work -- [laughter] >> hold on, hold on, hold on. vice-chair ryan. >> so, i think we need to stick to what we had said. we have so many pieces that are here and

there that we can address. let's stick to what we planned. let's go there. and then we'll decide on where we're going based on how much we get done. i want to make sure that we don't show a bust to each other on this and we work together to get these things done. we have different people come to make different comments and that will continue to happen. we don't want that to take us off course. we, as a task force have a job and we never forget that. we hop around and let's get it done, thank you. >> mr. cooper. >> thank you. yeah. i didn't see anyone else in there, so i thought we would get moving on this. so, the big question would

be d6. there's really, there's things to handle in the eastern neighborhoods and the way i see it, there's three ways forward. one is kind of what we're looking at now which moves east cut to d3 and keeps mission bay in d6. the implications of that, we want to deal with that district 3 border, that van ness border, so it's something we've discussed, if you want to keep this general formation. the other option is keeping -- these are broad stroke options and we could split the baby a few places here, but as the metaphor suggests, not pretty to do that, i don't think. one of the other options is keeping east cut or having the east cut and south beach in district 6. but then

moving mission bay into district 10. likely, that would make the next conversation a little easier, but it would complicate things with district 10 in the southern part of the city. the third option is to attempt to keep east cut south beach and mission bay all in district 6. that would likely require a very, very deep cut on the westside of selma. perhaps, tenderloin as well but that's the order to go in that direction. that would allow us to keep d3 to van ness and not have to deal, not to have change d10 all that much, so those are the three paths forward. all others -- i'll let them give their thoughts on that. >> guess one, that was you.

vice-chair. >> so my comment on that is just a reminder to everybody about the fact that we have impassioned presentations a while back so we might not remember it, from the people, south beach, some of the east cut, mission bay, talking about how many years of construction they endured in order to build that community and that they really need, they wanted to stay a community because they're in the process of working to get grocery stores, schools together, so i want us to really think about the impact of what we're doing to them because they came here, they have worked for ten years to try to create a community and we need to be really mindful of how we're going to be handling them, so

that is, i don't have an answer. i'm just saying, whatever we can do to keep them together would be my preference. >> thank you. mr. chasel lee. >> thank you member cooper for laying out of options one again, doing at analysis for us -- doing the analysis for us. the one about mission bay, we already tested our option especially putting in d10. we already know that doesn't work, right, because it messes the southeast. we all declared unanimously by consensus it's unacceptable. unless you have a different option as to where mission bay goes, i would say let's concentrate our

conversation on the other options as laid out. >> okay. mr. hernandez gil. >> thank you. i wanted to greatly appreciate the resident of the east cut that has no affordable grocery store, right. i think that's a crucial thing we need to tackle and i did also want to make -- make a comment it's important not to forget of the 30% renters living in affordable housing. right. and they have to be part of this process, in my opinion, it's a vulnerable population and whatever, for me, what i envision and i hope what we all envision is at the end of this process, something that allows that population in setting their priorities, right. and the

follow up to that is the question that i think it ultimately comes down to i am quite certain there is no area that can be kept whole in this scenario, right. that's what it comes down to. the possible exception being the hub, maybe. [laughter] that's because it's very tiny and compact, right. i would love us to use internal boundaries within the neighborhoods because many of them are redeveloped areas and they have north and south and east and west, right and different blocks that can be used, right. so i think we're going to get creative and we can have an internal coherence that makes sense and we can articulate why something is being done verses something else, right. but i want to say that i think it has been interesting and exciting and

quite special, the fact i think many folks in the tenderloin have acknowledged that their community, that their neighborhood as they understand it has to shrunk and have made that effort, right. i think we have heard from a couple of folks around polk street, around north of gary and mason, and i have one specific comment that i have heard and i think we've all gotten e-mails around the tenderloin community schools getting readded to the tenderloin. it's one block but i think that's an important area to focus on. >> just before, go ahead, mr. jeremy lee. >> just a very brief -- i checked that lot and it has 13 people. it's a pretty easy add. [laughter]

>> it's between venice and polk. >> okay. >> the greatest problem i have is that when comes to district 6, the people have been excellent at telling us what they want and from every neighborhood, we've heard they don't want anything to change. every neighborhood wants to stay in 6 and which all of our implies that that's impossible. it hasn't made a difference and we've got to cut something and the residents of 6 have not been great at telling us what they think even if it meant the ones who want to say, they have to say you've got to go. we have

heard very little, so we're left on our own to make the decisions we have to make. that something absolutely has to change and as difficult as it may be and dealt because of the passion we have heard about people and their district, we have to be about the business of cutting something, so i will leave it to all of you surgents that i work with because we're not going to get to any other district until we do something about this one because it impacts of course the districts around it and they impact the other ones until we get to the beach, so.... let's go. >> so, the blocks highlighted is

the one that contains the school. it's bounded by terk, van ness and elk and polk. it has 13 people counted there by the census and the percent deviation of 50 do be 6.18%. should i make a change? great. yes, please. okay. >> so, oh. yes. so, i think with that in mind, as i said, we have heard, i think, from the community in the tenderloin that they're willing to accept losing that area between polk and van ness. i think that has been about as near of a consensus we're going to get. i don't want to minimize, right, we're talking about ten thousand people between the boundaries that they're willing to cut out.

it's ten thousand people -- ten thousand people puts us a third of the way there, right. >> members -- keep your microphones -- >> what i'm going to propose is that, to be fair, so that's 9,700 roughly that we try to move a population from mission bay somehow. right. >> mr. castillon. >> i want to interject because i hold consensus on the tenderloin. we hear from the tenderloin district that they disagreed with that and i think we should be be flexible on that. i do not believe the western boundary of tenderloin is polk street. regarding

mission bay what we have done already in map 2a is put parts of mission bay into district 10. there's already a part of mission bay in this district 10. if we're to add more of mission bay into district 10, we're going to have to remove something from district 10 >> exactly. >> mission bay has been unanimous in them wanting to stay in district 6. we have to keep them whole. i do not believe mission bay is where we should be going. >> mr. chasel lee or cooper. one of them. >> yeah, i wanted to add, we haven't been able to find the (5000) from that polk corridor. it's in the few blocks to our south. i have no idea which way

it is now. just to our south which our block was separated by a lot of city hall and civic center park from the rest of the tenderloin and we heard testimony is a natural set to the rest of district 5. i want to make that little point. yeah. >> i do not believe mission bay is -- [echoing] >> chair, if you want to recognize the next person. >> we have member pierce in the roster. >> i beg your pardon. >> yeah. >> every one of you -- >> that would be me. >> okay. and so, moving back to west selma, that little (indiscernible) hanging outright there, exactly, jaime, thank

you, what happens if we move that into district 9, will they stilling in compliance? >> one moment, please. >> uh-huh. >> i don't think so. >> i'll start adding one census block at a time. >> uh-huh. >> let's do that. >> so, this is howard, 11th, folsom, north folk and -- and

harrison down to 13th. should i make this change? >> i don't want to hold consensus to note this is the western half of the lgbtq cultural district. just something for or not half or a portion -- that's fine and i wanted to make sure that was noted. >> thank you. i wasn't finished. i have the intention, i was doing that to get it out because i almost think it is more appropriate to move that and the hub into eight if we can. so.... >> that kind of was my intention but we're working on the borders we have right now and we got to get fixed down, yeah. that gets us almost there and i will let

somebody else mind another little piece of five blocks we can move. >> is that a consensus or does anybody object? >> add to part of the hub to the eight. >> to nine for now. >> or to nine, okay. nine of ten. >> just one. >> yeah. that's already -- all right. we're good. so, where are we? >> shall i make this change? >> yeah. >> okay, thank you. >> can you recognize the next speaker? >> oh. guest two. >> i'm going back, i think it would be good to search out this question in tenderloin

particularly polk street because that could be a decisive question in this process, right. now i'm looking at the second supervisor district and lower polk is split between multiple districts which i think is, let me see, which ones are those. they're split between d6, d3 and d5. as it currently stands, right. but us moving it to gary or kind of coming to the consensus that gary is going to be that boundary, it still remains cut between three districts, so we're not cutting it more than they're already cut, right. it does cut a part of the tender loin cbd, but i mean, just basically one side.

>> one block. >> yeah. i feel that's a reasonable kind of process for us to kind of decide, but polk street is going to be that boundary because all the other cbd's in the area, that would be impacted by this change, civic center, cbd for example, these are all cut between d5 and d6. right. so, i feel that this is kind of a no-brainer at least as it pertains to the cbd's. therefore, ask like i said, i think from the community, they have made that concession and it's important to acknowledge. >> okay. i think, the polk street discussion, i think, it's an important one to have. i think we won't have a full understanding on what we need to do around polk street until we

discuss the eastern neighborhoods. i feel like, it seems like you have opinions of what to do around east cut to make that work. so some others have opinions and i think until we know exactly what we're working with and what we think we want to do over there because right now, if we say we're going to have the east cut go to district three, then we don't have much room to add polk and we don't need to change anything around there, but if we're trying to add much more east cut to district 6, then that's what we have to start talking about more conversations around east selma and another areas so i want to get a better idea on what of the eastside of district 6 we want to keep before we go to the westside. >> i'm going to pushback on that and mostly just because i think it's important to remind ourselves of the nature of the changes that's going to happen, right. on one end, we're going

to have, well, we had the opportunity to be a little bit more direct, so for example, we go down polk. on the other side, both in mission bay and east cut and because of the partial level around affordable housing, i think we have to be much more surgical and go into the details to figure out, okay, is this parcel going to be one hundred percent affordable. does that mean it knees to stay in diction 6 or go to d3 or whatever. so i think tackling the bigger issues, dropping that population as much as we can will give us a lot of margin of maneuver when we start tackling the other ones. >> mr. castillon. >> i think we can start with that 6th street boundary. i disagree. that part of the area is the tender loin in keeping

neighborhoods whole. it's very important to me in this process. so, we can keep polk for now because we're because we're deal with over population issue. figuring out the affordable housing pieces within the east cut or eastern neighborhoods of district 6, do you have information available we can use to go surgical on that front? >> absolutely. the trans bay development process detailed out all of them, so yeah. i would be happy to get the pdf and figure that out. yeah. >> hold on a minute. guess one. >> i want to pushback ongoing surgical. i think neighborhoods can be communities whether it's a dmr building or not. these are places trying to build a community and i think for the direction we're going, it's difficult for us to bring all

these emerging neighborhoods into different districts and i'm comfortable with that. that's why i voted to go this direction, but i don't think bulking these areas -- i think it does a disservice of building a diverse multi-generational, multi ethnic community in these areas, so my preference in life is to keep these chunks as together as together. i'm curious to hear what others thing but that's my take. >> communities have affordable and market rate in them. that makes the whole community. i do have, so as we move polk street west, where is that going? into district 5. is that the plan?

>> ms. pierce. >> i have a question for member cooper on that level. because we have to cut something, recognizing that are we saying that, we're going to keep the entirety of that consortium together. are we saying east cut is a whole and renkum is a whole. that's how i would proceed? >> if i may respond? >> quickly. >> my preference, given, to me given this direction, i don't think keeping them all together is going to be possible given what we would have to do on the westside of the district to make

that work. in my mind, i think it's better to separate them out and keep lincoln hill together with the east cut and south mission bay. >> mr. castillon. >> so, if we can bring up the map. we currently have district 6.66% above threshold of population. the only place it can get up to -- district 10 is a non-start here. district 9 is a non-starter here. the only places we can add to -- remove and move them to other places are districts 5, districts 2, interestingly enough is now bordering district 6 and

district 3. there's a few ways we could go about that. there is putting treasure island back into district 3. there is going further into selma with district three. there's putting tenderloin into district three and district five and putting west selma into district five. these are options we have. i don't know what the right decision are because these are challenging decisions but i suggest we focus on that since we're trying to move these piece by piece. >> whose hand is this? >> this isn't my favorite, but

we heard dog patch and potrero would like to see the flats come in fully, so that's one place we can add for a floor, i would suppose, so divisions -- i recall, i don't know all these can fit, so -- >> i don't think all can fit but i want to see the population. >> sorry you guys. >> i tried emergent association and no thank you, jaime.

>> that's one place we can -- [mic is off] >> is gil in the roster? >> yes, i am. >> maybe this will work when it cuts to the east cut because as you've noticed, we often talk of these two as if they were interchangeably, but rucon hill is a hill and it adds at folsom. it happens to not line completely but somewhat with the transbay area. that's a clear dividing point. it certainly would simply few to have the cbd to have a clearcut within the line. it's a thought and that allows us to rightfully say that

rincon hill is kept whole and the trans bay neighborhood is being kept hole and splitting cbd but there's plenty of split cbd and it's a thought and we have to get creative of how the areas are organized. >> which areas would move into which districts? >> yeah. the easiest way is keep the south side of folsom in d6 that allows us to keep treasure island and the remainder in d3. >> if i may, i'm waiving the

hand. are you proposing to moving this area into district 6? >> that's right. >> and then what area would you move out of district 6 to make up for that population? right now district 6 is 5 .66 deviation. >> the rencon hill area moves into district 6. >> right now it's in dis3 and moves into district 6. >> which area would you move out of district 6 to make up for that population shift? >> the current populations you're seeing is d10 by the way. >> i can't hear you. >> the numbers we were seeing over there in the small window are d10, not d6, so that's why jaime was clarifying.

>> got it, got it. yeah. i see what you're saying. i'm trying to figure out this format. yeah. >> are we -- are we at gary on the boundary south, gary and mason? >> yes. this is mason, gary and polk on the west. >> is there any population on the corner of gary and mason. >> that census block was formally in d3. >> yeah. maybe treasure island needs to be on -- >> oh, wait. that's intriguing. so there's eight people who live

in the census block on the corner of gary and mason. district 6 would become 5.56% deviation. >> i'll say that is the acg theater and the current theater. it's currently in d3 now, so if we want to do that and keep it there. >> yes. >> if i may, i'm going to call on myself. i do agree, i think, you know, we definitely know that area much better than i do and if folsom would be six, i think that's fine. we do need to talk about what areas of d6 we're comfortable moving out and

i think this is -- this might be where the district 8pub conversation comes into play or we move to 9 for now and figure how the valencia line because it will make a difference of how much of -- south selma is listed at square and south of the freeway and not quite mission bay. i'd rather us not cut further into the tenderloin. once we hit that tenth, 11th, we start, you know, we pick up the edge of selma cultural area. if we come directly south, there's not all that population there

but the area south of the freeway maybe a better place to pull some, but it's tough to see where you can pull it to is the problem, so we may have to lossen stuff in the city to make that work. >> mr. chair. >> mr. chasel lee. >> thank you, mr. chair. mission bay isn't whole yet. it's still messing the hospital. now, we could have a conversation about where to put it back in, but just for us to realize, is not the complete edit of the population. the hospital, how

many people is it there? >> one moment, please. >> yeah. >> there are 12 people. >> one moment. >> it's 12 people. >> okay. yeah. yeah. never mind. >> so i think we can come back to the situation. it's huge, right. and the challenges, at least with the east cut cbd there's an argument they're two predominant neighborhoods, the southern half of the financial district and rincon hill, at least per this -- per the district, the neighborhood maps

that we're using, as you can see it's stretching out to folsom. that's weird to me, but at least there's some sense that makes sense but mission bay is a huge block because i'm guess when they made these maps, they weren't expecting mission bay to become that big. so yeah. i'm wondering, what's the population of the entirety of mission bay as a neighborhood? because i think that's going to help to inform our challenges ahead. >> so, you want to see the full population of mission bay? >> correct. as it's on the map right now, so for the townsend,

to the townsend border. >> 13,150 or so people. >> i do have to interject about mission bay yet again and i have to elevate -- i have the planner that worked on that in the audience. she has told me many, many stories about how they have planned to create a neighborhood here. this is not a neighborhood to split. this has been the center of so much development that is still occurring. we have that mission rock project still going on that is so integral and

we cannot split mission bay. >> which guess -- >> i do want to understand that. i fund mentally want to understand -- i fundamentally want to understand that because i'm there all the time and pretty much grew up around there, so i get that it is a distinct neighborhood except in my mind, it has, like, four different areas all resolving around china basin. and so, i want to know what binds them other than the planning department at this point? like, culturally and is it ball parks, is it -- >> we have heard from the residents of that neighborhood about how they have been forming a community. >> okay. >> we have tried already putting

mission bay in district 10. >> i'm not trying to put all of mission bay into district 10 but that's my point. and i respect what you're saying because as a district 10 member, i'm not going to do what we've been doing or hearing from everybody else in saying no, i think this about somebody else. so, i got you on that. >> if i can interject and this is why i brought this up. the residents when we first started hearing from the public, the residents were very, very clear about the fact that they are still in transition. they have barely gotten out of construction. they are working on trying to get grocery stores, trying to get schools. they are a unified and very correlated neighborhood. they aren't fully developed yet, but they have a plan and we cannot interrupt

that plan. this is why i mentioned that right at the beginning. so, i just want to bring that up. >> mr. castillon, oh. >> i hate to do this because i work with them all the time on environmental justice issues, but treasure island, d3, no, you object. go ahead. >> i'm going to withhold consensus on that. it may depend on what ends up happening if they're in d3 with rincon hill but i want to go on the western end of selma if we're going to make up the population of 10 and

ninth street. that's my reference. >> but you know, that's just me on the consensus. if we want to move that direction to a vote or something, but that's my take. thanks. >> you're back. >> okay. that was five. it's jeremy lee. >> thank you. >> i just want to say that, like, adding treasure island into d3 isn't the most out of left field idea. there are synergies there. neighborhoods like north beach and china town have a history of transit advocacy and treasure island is debating if they want a toll on the island. the residents are very much against it, so there is some synergies and treasure

island have a lot of low-income folks, china is the poorest town in the city so not fully the one i support behind it but i wanted to highlight there are some synergies there. >> mr. chasel lee. >> thank you, vice madam chair. on saturday we went on ten and a half hours of people telling us, pl, selma and treasure island. now we're going to turn around and split them again? >> no, but i -- >> i understand the hard conversations but i mean, where did that hard conversation go then, right. i'm just saying. >> i'd like to get some clarification from the -- about the state of the treasure

island. my understanding is is that you have to have a working and visible connection. you can't be talking about future connections in order to make something contiguous, is that right? >> i was going to -- yeah. my understanding and certainly if members want to weigh in as well, there are two connections to treasure island. one from d3 which is from the ferry building which is in still in d3 and or the bay bridge which is currently is in district 6. >> the one at the ferry building is operable and working? >> i'm sure mr. cooper knows exactly when, but -- [laughter] very recently it started. >> we call him mr. cooper. >> there's a legal definition of what the ferry service runs 7 days a week on timetable and it's a small ferry is my understanding but it's a regular ferry service to the ferry

building. >> that's my understanding as well. i don't know all details but it's a regular ferry. >> we need to check that before we can make that, but we digress. i think we're talking about the fact that they want it to stay in d6 and so, we're not going to just change our mind, so we have to take a look at the western side of d6 and make some tough choices instead of carving up the rest of d6 so we don't address what we have known all along we have to address, is the western side of d6. >> thank you. mr. castillon. >> thank you, vice-chair reiner for bringing us to that. it's really only on the westside of d6 that we can explore because we are maxed-out everywhere else. we have heard substantial commentary from the public and

how they object to us having a large district 6. it is where development is going to continue to grow. we will be violating the protection clause because these people will have their voices diluted in the long run, if we are maximizing that district 6. we need to -- we need to make big cuts on that district side. >> yes, guest one. no, one is here. >> hi. on that note, member castillon, i look back at the map that was drawn ten years ago and i see where we are now. and we have one side of the city that's 30% over, nine percent over and nine percent over and it's lopsided and if you're a

voter in district 1 and you have 42% more power than a voter in district 6, i through it would be irresponsible for us to say, we're within legal guidelines, let's call it a day. this is for the next ten years and we know where the population is going to grow. we know what the pipelines are. i know we don't have to take that into consideration, but it's something that should sit in the back of your mind as to what our responsibilities are. i would hate to set up the next task force ten years from now to be in the same situation where again we have another lopsided city. that's all, thanks. >> yes. >> i would be very, i would find this argument very compelling if we hadn't gone through a pandemic. [hard stop]