i am hoping this hearing will shed light as to the progress that is being made, what the impediments are, how to help legislatively to tackle the challenges. also to shed light what happens if we don't tackle these challenges. i will remind us on the climate goals we just approved this past year the biggest source of emissions is moving from gas to electric. if we can't do that on our own as a city, how do we expect the public to do it? with that i have invited a few folks to come and present to us. first is pablo chu, energy manager at department. deputy manager at sfpuv and deputy city administrator to

tell us about how it is going. we have a bunch of other folks from different departments standing by to answer questions. i will turn it over to lowell chu. >> before you do so, supervisorr melgar, supervisor mandelman is on the roster. you were talking about the important work. and moving us from gas to electric. hopefully help will address that. >> i am not going to state very much other than to thank supervisor melgar for the hearing. we have done good preliminary work. it is important work on building decarbonization. how to electrify the whole city

fleet. it is really important. that is the other half of the emissions. sorry i am late. it was probably already noted. this is a topic which the board has been talking for some time at least in 2017. it raises that we are not where we were supposed to be is concerning. it raises questions about all of the deadlines we set for ourselves in the climate context. we know that we can't blow these deadlines. the consequences are horrendous. i want to thank supervisor melgar and all of the climate advocates. thank you, supervisor melgar for taking the lead. >> thank you.

go ahead. >> thank you. the first presenter i would like to bring up is the energy program manager at the department of environment. welcome, mr. chu. >> thank you, supervisor melgar. good afternoon, chair preston and vice chair and supervisor mandelman and members of the public. there is an update on the city's zero emission fleet. i will be kicking off the presentation by describing the importance of it. and the electric vehicles. i will be followed by the public utilities who will speak about departments increasing electric vehicle charging infrastructures. in the city administrator's

office the efforts of the zero emissions fleet and summarize information from five departments who received the letter on police officering to electric vehicles. next slide please. >> article 38 of the san francisco health code required new construction in areas of poor air quality to install ventilation systems to protect residents from adverse health effects from breathing polluted air. the map on the left shows zone in 2014. the map on the right is updated in 2020. clearly exposure to air pollution is worsening. traffic emissions is a major

traffic fur row fairs. the city has several policies. we are focusing on zero emission vehicles which requires all light duty passenger vehicles in the city to be zero by the end of this year. it is another important policy and the environment mays an important role. advancing the plans and policies to promote low carbon waste. public transit, walking, biking, and electric vehicle adoption is deepen department on the infrastructure. take it away catherine. >> thank you, lowell. good afternoon, thank you for the opportunity to speak to you today. catherine spalding.

deputy assistant manager of power enterprise san francisco public utilities commission. as you well know the public utilities commission are the clean energy provider. we are here to support the very important transition to electric feets from the municipal customers. unfortunately we are facing very serious interconnection challenges from pg&e. they own the distribution grid in san francisco. we have had significant costs and delays in connects urprojects across the city. municipal customers are attempting to install ep chargers. one example.

back in 2019, m.t.a. was seeking to put in a few ev chargers on the parking lot. they required primary service electrical equipment to be included. there is no engineering need for this. it is costly, large. typically this is needed for a large road like stadium or hospital or airport. do to this requirement, in project was not able to proceed. you can see there on my graphic on the slide to give you a sense of the cost and size of this equipment. unfortunately we were not able to proceed with this project. similar to other projects across

the city. we are reporting to the board of supervisors on a quarterly basis for a resolution from the board in 2018 where we make it known that these delays. because of these interconnection challenges the city is seeking to purchase the pg&e distribution access in san francisco. this is critically important for us to modernize our grid to meet our climate goals and to provide timely and affordable services to san francisco residents. in the meantime as we are pursuing acquisition of these assets. we need to make important progress on helping our communityis pal departments make the transition to electric fleets. how can we mitt date this and

make progress? we engage with municipal customers to support planning and projects. we want to find out details about electric vehicle charging infrastructure and help them understand what it will cost to put this infrastructure in, how long it will take, whenever possible we combine these requests with other interests of the department such as renewable generation or department departments. some other support we are plans is new rates from stand alone electric vehicle rates that can gain approval. we will be able to launch next fiscal year. in addition we are offering

programs and expanding programs will incentivize the establishment of electric vehicle charging infra struck you are such as newly launched ev charge program. building on the building codes to give further incentives to customers, municipal customers to install electric vehicle charging. i am happy to answer any questions you might have. for now, i will say thank you for the opportunity to talk about our work today. i will pass it to douglas lake from city administrative office. >> good afternoon, supervisors. thanks for having us here. i am deputy in the city

administrators office overseeing the city's infrastructure and so all of those things fall under related to the efforts to introduce the zero emission vehicles for the city. fleet management, capital planning and real estate. legislation which supervisor mandelman referred to that supervisor katie pang sponsored in 2017 aid we should move to 100% zero emission fleet light duty passenger vehicles by the end of this year. all light duty vehicle but right now there are very limited in fact none currently available

other than sedans. no all electric pickup trucks and suvs and vans which the city has quite a few of. also exempted emergency vehicles for the time being. we are focusing right now on a fleet of about 815 sedans that we are trying to convert to zero emission vehicles. at the present time we only have 13% of our vehicles are zero emission vehicles. 24% are electric vehicles which include plug in hybrids. we are a long, long way off from meeting the mandate that the board approved. we are making progress.

as you will see by the end of next procurement year our numbers will improve to 17% zero emotion vehicles for a total of 30% electric vehicles. the rate that our city departments are replacing vehicles and requesting budget authority to do so is going well. that makes a lot of sense. the vehicles have not gotten as much use as they have. the vehicles investment is not the first place where departments want to pend their dollars right now.

the legislation provided waivers. this is what supervisor melgar was talking about. departments like d.b.i. who do have vehicles that need replaced. they are old and expensive to maintain. they put a budget forward but many departments did not have a place to charge the vehicles. this piechart shows that 365% oe they are parked overnight and a few other reasons why departments are able to get waivers. vehicles are traveling long distance, vehicles parked outside of the city where there is no charging infrastructure.

inadequate funding was another reason. we have not granted waivers for that purpose. we have some good news. if you will move to the next slide. the lack of ev chargers is a problem for a long time. this map shows where there are fewer electric vicks than charging stations. the red where there are more charging stations, more evs than chargers. all of this is department of building inspection can currently park at the 12th street garage where there is extremely limited charging

cavity. d.p.w. has vehicles there. we opened up the new building at 49 south van ness. one of the last things we are working on is parking infrastructure there. original plans were to have shared fleet vehicles. there are 20 vehicles there that the departments like at the civic center garage. all departments can sign up to use the vehicle when they need them. the rest of the parking was going to be used for public parking for permit center customers. city administrator chu working with real estate and fleet have decided that that doesn't make any sense when we have so many vehicles parked nearby that could use electric chargers. by the end of this fiscal year we are going to be able to move

64 vehicles. mostly plug in hybrid vehicles. we will move those into the 49 south van ness garage. we will be able to use them most of the time for electric vehicles with one battery. there is additional capacity there. the reason for waiver request for departments in the vicinity of 49 south van ness for the near future will not be eligible for waivers. in fact, there are circumstancex vehicles that dpi was in the process of purchasing. plug in hybrids. battery electric vehicles. this is a really big win for us. we need to tip to look for other opportunities. let's look to the next slide.

next two slides about the letter of inquiry sent out to six city departments. about their plans for expanding electric vehicles and zero emission vehicles. all of the departments are making efforts. as you saw in the early slide it is incremental. mostly because of the need to replace vehicles and previous spending of dollars.

it is an issue going forward for all of the departments with the possible exception of having adequate charging infrastructure. that is something that capital planning committee real estate and the mayor's budget office need for the next couple years. there are a lot of opportunities and things that we know that we need to be doing. we are going to continue to work with the department of environment, mayor's budget office, p.u.c. to look for funding sources to extend the av charging infrastructure.

we have made the moves on 49 south bend on the garage. we are working to extend inter departmental pooling to have fewer vehicles altogether. we are especially in the post pandemic going back to normal. we are going to look at vehicle usage of all departments to find out if departments can shrink their fleet. the gas powered vehicles would be the first retired. another zero emission are fuel cell vehicles. they need to have fuel stations. there are limited opportunities in the city fleet is looking in partnerships in ways to expand

that. this vehicle is zero emissions not required to be charged or plugged into a charger. finally, word is coming out with a new pickup truck, the ford lightning and the new van next year. we hope we can start using those vehicles and move beyond as we expand the fleet. as supervisor melgar mentioned, there are representatives from the six departments part of the letter of inquiry. we are here to answer any questions. we are available for questions. thank you very much.

>> thank you very much. there is a little bit of hope. i have a couple questions. do you have comprehensive inventory of what it would take to get to second column for future vehicles. that you have the data. do you have inventory of square footage needed, capacity, electrical capacity needed. a map of what needs to be done for that second column? >> we don't. that is something that i have been talking to real estate about that the needs analysis. there is some information in the capital plan developed last

year. because we have been so far away from reaching the goal, we haven't done the analysis that we need to. i also believe that should be a right sizing of the city fleet. as i said, i think you know that all of the nonemergency vehicles in the city without fitted with telematic. so we are able to fine out how many hours they are used, how many hours a day and how many hours a month and that kind of thing that is really important for we want to right size the infrastructure to build. we don't want to over build

vehicle parking capacity if we reduce the size of the city fleet. >> the other question i had and i am intrigued by this thoughject that you have gotten off the ground of sharing vehicles between departments. i am wondering if you have any assessment or if you have surveyed the department as to how that is working for them in if that saves costs overall. >> i don't think we have done surveys. i know that when they are parked at civic center garage was put into being, a lot of departments gave up vehicles. that is what happened with the pool at 49 van ness. there were departments that had vehicles registered to them that were only used by their

employees. they were turned over to the real estate department who had those pooled. when we did the city hall fleet we eliminated a lot of cars. the oldest vehicle that got surrendered were retired. we found we were able to meet the needs with a smaller fleet. 49 south van ness is just getting going. we don't have that data yet. we have found that when we are able to use vehicles much more efficiently because they are used more days per week and more hours per day. those vehicles don't really work for city services where an employee like a building

inspector an hsh case worker are in their vehicle all day. that is their mobile office and they are not coming back. it is not a pannasia, but we think there is still opportunities for departments to share vehicles. >> thank you so much. i wonder if from that effort or in the course of that effort you have a road map as to what percentage of trips are what you described. to work out of cars versus someone just using the vehicle to go to another department for a meeting. do we know how much of that?

i am asking. i wonder if we have considered any alternative transportation besides the scooters or some other way for short trips? >> we have been and the department of environment department is promoting nonauto alternatives. most departments have a kind of transit first policy of their own with employees taking transit or other means when available. i think the data on this is really going to come from the new telematics system. we just submitted to the board of supervisors a telematics

report for last year. during the pandemic where people were driving from one department to another or driving from civic center to d.p.w. yard. those trips weren't happening at all. we really -- as things return be to normal now we want to be able to evaluate that data with those types of trips. that is where we will get the information you are interested in that you are asking about. >> thank you so much. i look forward to seeing that. i appreciate it. given we don't have a map of what needs to be done to. [indiscernable] given that we don't have a map.

we don't quite know what we need from pg&e. i am wondering what the p.u.c. can do to support that process. to identify the capacity that we need to get to and what i am pediments we need to overcome or negotiate to get there. >> absolutely. we can work closely with our municipal customers to find out what their needs are. where they want to install chargers, how many. then we take that information and put it from there and handle the relationship with pg&e to make the connection as efficiently and successfully as possible. unfortunately, pg&e does require a primary service electrical

equipment connection for any change in load. this is part of their distribution tariff that they have submitted to the federal regulators. the city does not think that these rights are reasonable. we are engaged at the federal level to get more flexibility so that key can connect projects more expeditiously and with less cost. it is not so much issue of capacity as it is of profit. now whenever possible we would take if there are a number of departments that have these if we pull them together as to one larger interconnection process that could potentially streamline.