and sun setting piano and it was on the street we've seen companies we say used to have to accompanying come out and recruit now they're coming to us. >> today, we learned about the office of economic workforce development and it's effort to foster community and make the buyer market street corridor something that be proud of thanks to much for watching and tune in next time for

>> one more statement. we are the one. that is our first single that we made. that is our opinion. >> i can't argue with you. >> you are responsible please do not know his exact. [♪♪♪]

[♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] >> i had a break when i was on a major label for my musical career. i took a seven year break. and then i came back. i worked in the library for a long time. when i started working the san francisco history centre, i noticed they had the hippie collection. i thought, if they have a hippie collection, they really need to have a punk collection as well. so i talked to the city archivist who is my boss. she was very interested. one of the things that i wanted to get to the library was the

avengers collection. this is definitely a valuable poster. because it is petty bone. it has that weird look because it was framed. it had something acid on it and something not acid framing it. we had to bring all of this stuff that had been piling up in my life here and make sure that the important parts of it got archived. it wasn't a big stretch for them to start collecting in the area of punk. we have a lot of great photos and flyers from that area and that. that i could donate myself. from they're, i decided, you know, why not pursue other people and other bands and get them to donate as well? the historic moments in san francisco, punk history, is the sex pistols concert which was at winterland. [♪♪♪] it brought all of the punks on the web -- west coast to san francisco to see this show. the sex pistols played the east

coast and then they play texas and a few places in the south and then they came directly to san francisco. they skipped l.a. and they skipped most of the media centres. san francisco was really the biggest show for them pick it was their biggest show ever. their tour manager was interested in managing the adventures, my band. we were asked to open to support the pistols way to that show. and the nuns were also asked to open the show. it was certainly the biggest crowd that we had ever played to. it was kind of terrifying but it did bring people all the way from vancouver, tee seattle, portland, san diego, all up and down the coast, and l.a., obviously. to san francisco to see this show. there are a lot of people who say that after they saw this show they thought they would start their own band. it was a great jumping off point for a lot of west coast punk. it was also, the pistols' last show. in a way, it was the end of one

era of punk and the beginning of a new one. the city of san francisco didn't necessarily support punk rock. [♪♪♪] >> last, but certainly not least is a jell-o be opera. they are the punk rock candidate of the lead singer called the dead kennedys. >> if we are blaming anybody in san francisco, we will just blame the dead kennedys. >> there you go. >> we had situations where concerts were cancelled due to flyers, obscene flyers that the city was thought -- that he thought was obscene that had been put up. the city of san francisco has come around to embrace it's musicians. when they have the centennial for city hall, they brought in all kinds of local musicians and i got to perform at that. that was, at -- in a way, and

appreciation from the city of san francisco for the musical legends. i feel like a lot of people in san francisco don't realize what resources there are at the library. we had a film series, the s.f. punk film series that i put together. it was nearly sold out every single night. people were so appreciative that someone was bringing this for them. it is free. everything in the library is free. >> it it is also a film producer who has a film coming out. maybe in 2018 about crime. what is the title of it? >> it is called san francisco first and only rock 'n' roll movie. crime, 1978. [laughter] >> when i first went to the art institute before the adventures were formed in 77, i was going to be a painter. i did not know i would turn into a punk singer. i got back into painting and i mostly do portraiture and figurative painting. one of the things about this job here is i discovered some great

resources for images for my painting. i was looking through these mug shot books that we have here that are from the 1920s. i did a whole series of a mug shot paintings from those books. they are in the san francisco history centre's s.f. police department records. there are so many different things that the library provides for san franciscans that i feel like a lot of people are like, oh, i don't have a library card. i've never been there. they need to come down and check it out and find out what we have. the people who are hiding stuff in their sellers and wondering what to do with these old photos or old junk, whether it is hippie stuff or punk stuff, or stuff from their grandparents, if they bring it here to us, we can preserve it and archive it and make it available to the public in the future.

>> in the bay area as a whole, thinking about environmental sustainability. we have been a leader in the country across industries in terms of what you can do and we have a learn approach. that is what allows us to be successful. >> what's wonderful is you have so many people who come here and they are what i call policy innovators and whether it's banning plastic bags, recycling, composting, all the different things that we can do to improve the environment. we really champion. we are at recycle central, a large recycle fail on san francisco pier 96.

every day the neighborhood trucks that pick up recycling from the blue bins bring 50 # o tons of bottles, cans and paper here to this facility and unload it. and inside recology, san francisco's recycling company, they sort that into aluminum cans, glass cans, and different type of plastic. san francisco is making efforts to send less materials to the landfill and give more materials for recycling. other cities are observing this and are envious of san francisco's robust recycling program. it is good for the environment. but there is a lot of low quality plastics and junk plastics and candy wrappers and is difficult to recycle that. it is low quality material.

in most cities that goes to landfill. >> looking at the plastics industry, the oil industry is the main producer of blastics. and as we have been trying to phase out fossil fuels and the transfer stream, this is the fossil fuels and that plastic isn't recycled and goes into the waste stream and the landfill and unfortunately in the ocean. with the stairry step there will be more plastic in the ocean than fish. >> we can recycle again and again and again. but plastic, maybe you can recycle it once, maybe. and that, even that process it downgrades into a lower quality material. >> it is cheaper for the oil industry to create new plastics and so they have been producing more and more plastics so with our ab793, we have a bill that really has a goal of getting our

beverage bottles to be made of more recycled content so by the time 2030 rolls around t recycle content in a coke bottle, pepsi bottle, water bottle, will be up to 50% which is higher thatten the percentage in the european union and the highest percentage in the world. and that way you can actually feel confident that what you're drinking will actually become recycled. now, our recommendation is don't use to plastic bottle to begin w but if you do, they are committing to 50% recycled content. >> the test thing we can do is vote with our consumer dollars when we're shopping. if you can die something with no packaging and find loose fruits and vegetables, that is the best. find in packaging and glass, metal and pap rer all easily recycled. we don't want plastic. we want less plastic. awe what you we do locally is we

have the program to think disposable and work one on one to provide technical assistance to swap out the disposable food service to reusables and we have funding available to support businesses to do that so that is a way to get them off there. and i believe now is the time we will see a lot of the solutions come on the market and come on the scene. >> and is really logistics company and what we offer to restaurants is reasonable containers that they can order just like they would so we came from about a pain point that a lot of customers feel which wills a lot of waste with takeout and deliver, even transitioning from styrofoam to plastic, it is still wasteful. and to dream about reusing this one to be re-implemented and

cost delivery and food takeout. we didn't have throwaway culture always. most people used to get delivered to people's homes and then the empty milk containers were put back out when fresh milk came. customers are so excited that we have this available in our restaurant and came back and asked and were so excited about it and rolled it out as customers gain awareness understanding what it is and how it works and how they can integrate it into their life. >> and they have always done it and usually that is a way of being sustainable and long-term change to what makes good financial sense especially as

there are shipping issues and material issues and we see that will potentially be a way that we can save money as well. and so i think making that case to other restaurateurs will really help people adopt this. >> one restaurant we converted 2,000 packages and the impact and impact they have in the community with one switch. and we have been really encouraged to see more and more restaurants cooperate this. we are big fans of what re-ecology does in terms of adopting new systems and understanding why the current system is broken. when people come to the facility, they are shocked by

how much waste they see and the volume of the operations and how much technology we have dedicated to sort correctly and we led 25 tours and for students to reach about 1100 students. and they wanted to make change and this is sorting in the waste stream they do every single day and they can take ownership of and make a difference with. >> an i feel very, very fortunate that i get to represent san francisco in the legislature and allows me to push the envelope and it is because of the people the city attracts and is because of the eco system of policy thinking that goes on in san francisco that we are constantly seeing

san francisco leading the way. >> kids know there's a lot of environmental issues that they are facing. and that they will be impacted by the impact of climate change. they will have the opportunity to be in charge and make change and make the decisions in the future. >> we are re-inventing the way the planet does garbage founded in the environmental ethic and hunger to send less to landfills. this is so many wonderful things happening in san francisco. i feel very fortunate and very humble to live here and to be part of this wonderful place.

>> you're watching san francisco rising with chris manors. today's special guest is mary chu. >> hi. i'm chris manors, and you're rising on san francisco rising. the show that's focused on rebuilding, reimagining, and restarting our city. our guest today is mary chu, and she's here to talk with us

about art and the san francisco art commission. well come, miss chu. >> thanks for having me. >> it's great to have you. let's talk about art in the city and how art installations are funded. >> the arts committee was funded in 1932 and support civic review, design investments and art galleries. projects we have are funded by the city's art enrichment ordinance which provides 2% of construction costs for public art. >> so art is tied to construction. there's been a great deal in the southwest of the city.

can you talk about some of the projects there? >> sure. our city has some exciting projected in the bayview-hunters point coming up. one artist created a photo collage. in the picture pavilion, one artist formed a collage of her one-year residency coming together with residents, and anchoring the new center is a landmark bronze sculpture, inspired by traditional ivory coast currency which the artists significantly enlarges to mark that it's a

predominantly african american community in bayview hunters point. >> are there any art installations around town that uses light as a medium? >> yes. the first is on van ness between o'farrell and geary. it's funded with the m.t.a.s van ness geary street project. another project is for the central subway. it is one of ten artworks commissioned for the new line. it's over 650 feet long, consists of 550 l.e.d. panels between the powell street station and the union street station. it's called lucy in the sky, and the lights are patterned

with unique sequences so that commuters can experience a unique pattern each time they pass through. >> perfect. what about the early day sculpture that was removed from the civic center? >> this is a question that cities have been grappling with nationwide. following the removal of early days in 2018, there was a toppling of statues in golden gate park as well as the removal of the christopher columbus statue. we are partnering with the parks department as well as the community to engage with the public to develop guidelines to evaluate the existing monuments and memorials in the civic arts

collection and evaluate the removal of a monument or statue but also installing new ones. >> finally, it seems like the weather might be nice this weekend. if i fancy taking a walk and seeing some outdoor art, where would you suggest i go? >> well, i would suggest the embarcadero. this work was commissioned with funds from the fire station 35. this suggests the bow of a boat and the glass panel surrounding the structure depict the history of fireboats in the bay

area. >> and where can i go from there? >> then, i would walk up to the justin herman plaza to check out the work of the art vendors. then check out the monuments like the mechanics monument. also, be sure to check out the poster series, installed in bus kiosks along market street, which features four artists each year. >> well, thank you. i appreciate you coming on the show, miss chu. thank you for your time today. >> thank you, chris. >> that's it for this episode. we'll be back with another show hi, sandy, how are you? >> hi, fine, thank you. how are you? >> good. i want to ask you what inspired you to be a paramedic? >> that's a good question. you know, i wanted to go into med school and after i found out how much time it took and all of that, i decided that

that was going to be a little too much schooling, but i still wanted to figure out a way that i could provide medical care and doing that as an emt as well as a paramedic was a way to do that. >> can you give me a break down of a typical day for you? >> i come to work and sit at my desk and then i respond to e-mails and try to figure out what are some of the issues we need to address. can we hire more people. what kinds of policies we want to try to create that will help us do our job as ems. >> what does it take to be a female paramedic? >> you know, it takes quite a bit of schooling, but also required somebody who's empathetic. it can be a very stressful job and so we want people to be able to hand that on a day-to-day basis. >> so what's your greatest satisfaction in your job? >> trying to make sure that the work that we provide and the services that we provide to the

community is the best that we can in ems so that when we go out to see you if you call us for an emergency, that we'll be able to treat you in the best way possible and that you get the care as quickly and as effectively as possible. >> why is it important for young girls, women of color to see women in these roles? >> i think it really is important for us to be able to get into these roles because we are effective, we are able to reach out to the community. we are able to do the job in a very effective manner and to be able to relate to the community and be able to do that is one of the best things that we can do. and people of color and as women of color, you know, we are in a great position to be able to do that.

>> welcome to the may 9th, 2022 meeting, i'm supervisor melgar, and joined by supervisor preston and supervisor peskin. madam clerk, do you have announcements? >> board of supervisors and committees are allowing hybrid

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is recommended though not required throughout the building but remains -- and that's my announcements, also we are joined by supervisor hillary ronan remotely. >> thank you is much, madam clerk. and welcome, supervisor ronan. item number 1. >> ordinance amending the planning code for 2868 mission street, mission cultural center for latino arts. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on the item, call the number on the screen, 1-415-655-0001, meeting i.d.24994346184, press pound and pound again. if you have not done so already, please press star 3 to line up to speak and you'll hear the system indicate you have raised your hand in confirmation. madam chair.

>> supervisor melgar: thank you, supervisor ronan, welcome, thank you for introducing this item. >> supervisor ronen: thank you so much, chair melgar and good afternoon, supervisor preston and peskin. thank you for hearing this item today to designate the mission cultural center latino arts, under article 10 of the planning code. thank you chair melgar for your early co-sponsorship. brief remarks and then over to moses krat from planning for his presentation. i'm here today to highlight the mission cultural center significance as a cultural, for the latinx community. founded in 1977 in the midst of period when central american countries were experiencing major political conflict and families fleeing to san francisco greatly contributed to the latinx identify of the

mission district and our chair melgar was among those families. creation of the cultural center tied to the rise of the san francisco most concentrated latinx enclave during the movement of the 1970s. the mission cultural center was then and is now a foundational component of the latinx heritage and mixture that have made the mission a place of home and sanctuary for residents and attraction for visitors from around the world. the bold mural that covers the facade titled "spirit of the arts" claims the space for latinx arts and culture, while the spaces inside made the cultural center an anchor for performance and community gatherings. since its founding, the cultural center has been a --

>> did i just hit request to join, my bad. >> most prominently carnivale, a rehearsal for the first in 1979. and adjacent to the cultural district, reinforces the latinx continuity, vitality in the mission and san francisco. i'm so grateful for the work of the san francisco latino historical society in particular and servantes, dr. cordova, city preservation planning staff for doing the background research presented to you today. i also want to thank anna herrera for getting the legislation. i ask for your support to move this future to the full board with positive recommendation.

>> supervisor melgar: we'll have a presentation from moses corett, i want to say a few words, it's an important place for me and my family and for the hundreds of thousands of latino residents, really in the bay area. so my family immigrated from el salvador in the 1980s in the height of the civil war, and it was a place for cultural connection, for immigrants missing our language, music, painting, culture, performance, but also a way to introduce folks in the nonlatino community to the richness, diversity and creativity of the latino community, and all of the peoples of south central america and the caribbean. so i some grateful for this resource and that we are recognizing it today.

my -- personally for my family this is a place where my girls learned to dance, learned to silk screen, went to summer camp. it is a place where folks, no matter where they live in san francisco or in the bay area come to have that rootedness. i will be dancing at carnivale this year as i have for, since i was 18, i think i'll be the first sitting supervisor in carnivale and i have spent many, many, many hours of my life at the latino cultural center on mission street and i am grateful for the leadership of martina who has now taken on the role of executive director to lead this wonderful organization into the next stage of its history. and i am so grateful that you're here and that you have taken on

this great responsibility to ensure that all of these resources and the space for artists is there to allow for the development of people's work so deeply rooted in the community, so thank you so much, and i can't wait to hear what you have to say. but first, mr. corett, welcome. >> thank you so much. do you have my presentation ready to show? >> yes, we have. >> thank you so very much. supervisor roman, chair melgar, thank you for the lovely introduction. it does make my job easier today. but if we could go to the first slide, thank you so very much. members of the committee, planning department staff,

before you today is the consideration of ordinance amending the san francisco planning code to designate 2868 mission street, mission cultural center latino arts as an individual landmark. next slide, please. mission cultural center for latino hearts, mccla, located mid block between 24th and 25th streets on mission street. one slide prior to this, please. the the building was constructed in 1947 as a furniture store and converted to the mission cultural center in 1977. building is predominantly a 2 and 3-story reinforced building with a partial fourth floor. l-shaped in plan, with a flat roof and skylights. primary facade faces mission street, the larger rear faces osage alley.

stucco, and the upper a large and significant mural detecting latinx cultural themes. the mission cultural center is individually listed on the national register under criterion a at the local level of significance, art, history, performing art and ethnic heritage. associated with the history in the mission district. if we go to the next slide, please. some background on the legislative process. mccla was placed on the historic preservation commission's work program in 2016 and meets one of the commission's four priority areas for designation, being property types associated with underrepresented social and or cultural roots. san francisco architectural heritage commissioned historians to draft the national register documentation which formed the

basis for this local designation. the next slide, please. the character defining features outlined in the ordinance in front of you today include the exterior elevations, form, massing, structure, roof lines, and ornament identified as the reinforced concrete shell of the building, the mural on the upper facade on mission street, spirit of the arts. transparent store front. the volume of spacial and spacial relationships of three major interior spaces, theater on the first floor, gallery on the second floor, studio d together with mission graphic, a print making studio on third floor and partial mezzanine. the building has a character defining feature mural that extends over private property. if you see the photo it's on the left-hand side of the slide. the building will also undergo

some renovations that are being planned, which include a new store front. this ordinance is intended to exempt these types of work from needing a certificate of appropriateness, supporting this is the building is already listed on the national register and subject to the same review standards as it would. the scope of otherwise subject to the delegation agreement in the administrative certificate of appropriateness. additional information bolsters significance but can be added to the administrative record but does not suggest additional character defining features at this point. and designation is in recognition of the activities contained within the building, but the building as a container of what gets designated. vibrant, living and active resource to the country, will undergo construction to ensure

we will survive a seismic event. so the second issue besides the seismic work, regarding the store front, exempt of further standards of article 10, the northern portion of the mural which does not face mission street is not included in this designation. the studio does not have any control over what that adjacent property can do, and so to avoid future conflicts that was preempted, and my last slide, thank joanne lee, deputy director [inaudible] for the arts commission [inaudible] public works department who was coordinating the seismic work, the outgoing executive director of mccla, and the president executive director, and san francisco latino historical society. and that concludes my

presentation, thank you. >> supervisor melgar: thank you very much. colleagues, do we have any questions? ok. seeing none, let's go to public comment. madam clerk. >> clerk: looks like we have some public commenters for item 1, approach the podium and you can begin your comments. >> good afternoon, chair melgar, supervisors peskin and preston. i'm joanne lee, deputy director of programs at the san francisco arts commission. on behalf of the arts commission, express our support for the landmark. mccla is 1 of 4 centers owned by the arts commission and would not be here, in 1973, the city announced plans to spend $5 million in federal revenue

sharing to develop a performing arts center, today's symphony hall. community members were outraged their funding was being allocated for an art center designated for only a wealthy few. the activist group community coalition f for the arts won a commitment from the city to spend $2.5 million over revenue sharing to purchase and develop community centers. by 1977 the san francisco arts commission had acquired four buildings and converted them to neighborhood arts centers. bay view opera house also has landmark status, mission cultural center, african american arts and culture complex, and soma arts. the mission cultural center a cultural institution in the community promoting latino culture, dance, theater, literary arts as well as a historic graphics program. we are thrilled we have $10 million in fiscal year 2022

budget and possibly more depending on the fiscal year 23 approved budget and capital funds to seismically renovate the building. it could not come at a better time as it enables us to ensure life safety, cultural preservation, and long-term sustainability over this historically important treasure. the arts commission asked for your support to offer landmark designation. >> thank you so much for your comments, ma'am. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, board of supervisors. my name is martina, and i am the new executive director for the mission cultural center for latino arts, and i speak to support the designation of the mccla building as a city landmark because it is an anchor institution in the community.

mccla is a central location where major annual cultural events take place, such as day of the dead, low rider car shows, carnivale and many, many more events that are part of the fabric of our community. the iconic and historic mission graphica, the gallery, theater, locations where notable artists, musicians and performers have emerged. the mission cultural center for latino arts is the heartbeat of the mission. it nourishes the creative soul and breathes life into our community. mccla is the home that holds the history of the san francisco latino arts community. i came to the mission culture center in 1990 as a grad student, interviewing the historical art history makers of

the community, that's when i was first introduced to the mission cultural center, continued not only as researcher, artist, curating shows, dancer, musician, and i hope that you will support the historical designation for mission cultural center, thank you. >> thank you. next speaker, please. >> hello, good afternoon, board members. my name is stefan, administrative assistant and representative at the mission cultural center for latino arts and i speak to support the designation of the mccla building, the city landmark for the following reasons. the first is a longevity of both the building and the institution. building was designated to be the location of the mission cultural center in 1977, after being a furniture store for over 30 years. late 1970s were a time of

intense political activism and immigration from central and south america due to the political instability in the region. movement in nicaragua, several of the founders were in support of. other examples include the war in salvador, and regime in chile. this increased -- led to increase in the mission district and san francisco city more broadly. the second is the impact on the local community. classes and summer programs are routinely hosted for families in the mission district, location on the intersection between mission street, 24th and 25th street makes it an iconic

location in the area, and location near bakeries, and other things, and cultural district, designated as a special use zoning district by the san francisco board supervisors in 2018. it would bring more tourists into the area. third reason i support the landmarking of the mission cultural center site is that it's one of the relatively few cultural centers in the u.s. >> thank you so much for your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is daniel perez, studio perez and i am part of the

architectural team for mccla, and here to voice support for the designation of the mccla building as a landmark. it is an important cultural institution for the mission, neighborhood, the city of san francisco and extended bay area. thank you for your time and consideration. >> chairperson and supervisors, i've come to support as a landmark decision for mission cultural center. i've been taking classes for about 35 years at mission cultural center. i've also been a volunteer and a supporter for many years and it's such a unique amazing cultural community center, and i want to give you one example of

how the community feels about mission cultural. a few years ago, a very prominent master teacher drummer dancer passed away suddenly, and passed away and the next day the word went out in the community. there were telephone calls, there were emails, and that evening people converged on mission cultural center for an impromptu memorial for carlos, people knew that was a place to go, they knew they would be welcome, they knew this was the place. so, anything you can do to keep mission cultural going and be recognized would be really terrific. thank you so much. >> thank you so much for your comment. any other members of the public would like t speak on item number one?

ok, the remote call-in line. if you have not done so and would like to speak, star 3 to be added to the queue. for those on hold please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. ten listeners, and three in the queue. unmute the first caller please. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is francisco gomez, i am the current chair of the board of the mission cultural center for the latino arts. i speak in support of the designation of the mccla building as a city landmark on behalf of the full board of the cultural center. i echo the many comments noted that mccla is indeed an essential part of the history of latinos and latino arts in san

francisco. and i must say also a great part of my personal history as a native of the mission district. i thank you for your consideration and i encourage you to support this before the full board of supervisors. >> thank you so much. let's take the next caller, please. >> good afternoon, supervisors. my name is anne, and i'm representing the san francisco latino historical society and i'm excited about the leadership of dr. martina, but i want to know supervisor melgar, i have those photos of you dancing at carnivale, when i was the gatekeeper for ten years for carnivale. i want to say the san francisco latino historical society supports the landmarking and will address the importance of

keeping this historical asset and why it needs to be maintained. the building in 1993 and the assessment of the conditions at mcc and the bay view opera house were recommended for seismic upgrades. it was then again in the civil grand jury report six years later stated that it was the highest priority for the facilities. recently the city's capital project allocated 10 million is insufficient funding for the seismic upgrade and the ventilation system required for this facility. it's more like 25 million. my question is why they haven't given the full amount to adequately seismically upgrade this facility, and why 29 years later they are dealing with this. it's such an important thing. i'm going to go into some quick comments about the heritage

documents -- i'm just going to say that this center arose with -- from the community. they searched for a multidisciplinary facility to house poetry, dance, music and the graphic arts. and it's so essential as joanne lee from the arts commission stated it was the activism in the community. >> thank you so much for your comments. next speaker, please. >> good afternoon, my name is carrie young, calling from san francisco heritage. san francisco heritage has a strong connection and designation having originally sponsored the application for mission culture center inclusion in the national register of historic places.

this is such a significant site, a vital one with the latino and latinx community and the mission district history and identify. thank you to everyone who helped get this legislation to where it is today, which will help ensure the diversity of the city's architecture is more recognized and preserved. >> that completes the queue, madam chair. >> thank you very much. supervisor preston. >> supervisor preston: thank you, chair melgar and supervisor ronan for your leadership on this. please add me as a co-sponsor. >> likewise. >> clerk: both of them. thank you so much. public comment is now closed. i would like to make a motion

that we forward this with a positive recommendation on to the full board. >> on that motion, supervisor peskin. [roll call vote taken] you have three ayes. that passes. congratulations, mccla folks. ok. madam clerk, please call items 2-4 together. >> 2-4 all have the same long title, and they are ordinances and planning code to rezone all residential one family rh-1 zoning districts except for hr-1d, and a new class of residential district called residential 2 family hr-2d districts and density limit

exception, amending to authorize the subdivider constructing new dwelling units, pursuant to the density limit, and affirming appropriate findings. members of the public who wish to provide public comment on numbers 2-4, call 1-415-655-0001, 24994346184, then press pound and pound again. if you have not done so already, please press star 3 to line up to speak and the system prompt will indicate you have raised your hand in confirmation. madam chair. >> thank you so much. supervisor mandelman could not be here today, but we have jacob here from the supervisor's office, and director hillis on teams on stand by for any questions we may have. i would just give mr. bitlis the

floor. >> here on behalf of supervisor mandelman, thank you for hearing this item yet again, here at the land use, request that we do have a version of the ordinance pass out of that committee as soon as possible, depending on your deliberations and make myself available for any questions that i can help with. thank you. >> thank you so much. colleagues, before we go into this discussion of this item i wanted to share supervisor mar, who is the sponsor for item number 4, that is requested that this item be continued to the call of the chair. i will be making a motion later in the meeting to honor this request. after we take public comment but i just wanted us to make a note

of it. then after reviewing supervisor preston's amendment to the original legislation, which is now part of item number 3, that would require property owners eligible for the density waiver to have owned the property for at least five years. we have been grappling with this issue as i have mentioned during our meetings in this committee for quite some time. and i do feel this amendment strikes a good balance and trying to encourage more homeowners to take advantage of the program while not being too restrictive and i do share the goal that it prevents some of the speculation nature of things that we have anxiety about and i would like to make a small change that i am offering today that we want to make sure that

property owners who pass away can have their properties handed down to their heirs within that five-year time frame and that the heirs are also eligible. because otherwise i fear some of these properties may be caught in limbo for a while. so, i have an issue with the scenario in my own neighborhood we have seen some neighbors pass away and i've seen their children and heirs struggle with what to do with these assets and i do think that in some of the neighborhoods like engelside and supervisor mar's district we have house rich and cash poor, whom their assets and being able to pass it on to their heirs is very important. it's a good motivation to be able to benefit from this program. so with that i have circulated

the amendments to you. they are pretty straightforward. in, let's see, page 6, line 7-13 of supervisor -- of the version that was triplicated and then amended by supervisor preston, i would like it to say on the second sentence to discourage such speculations, demolition of existing units and displacement of current residents this ordinance makes the benefit of the density exception available only to persons who have owned their properties for five years. prior to the date of their application to obtain the exception, including the ownership duration of the person or entity from whom they inherited the lot. number two, adds to the new findings as follows, this board recognizes the importance of facilitating opportunities for intergenerational transfer of

wealth through property ownership, therefore property owners who have inherited their property may be deemed eligible to seek a density exception by applying during their own duration of ownership for the purposes of satisfying this ownership requirement. and amend 207c8b, 13-16 on page 7 read as follows. for the purposes of establishing eligibility to receive a density exception according to this subsection 8b, property owner who has inherited the subject lot may add to their duration of ownership the duration of ownership of the person or entity from whom they inherited the lot. and those are the amends that i will be submitting. supervisor peskin. >> supervisor peskin: thank you, madam chair.

a few thoughts and observations and then one specific comment or question with regard to the amendments that you just offered to the triplicated version as amended by supervisor preston and i agree that anti-speculation provisions are critical. i think we are all of a common mind on that relative to all three versions, and i want to just note that relative to some of the questions i raised at previous discussions relative to feasibility the department actually now has more feasibility analysis and i want to thank and acknowledge the planning department for that. and that information indicates that all three proposals have a feasibility gap, and in

discussions with the planning department they are clear contrary to what i think all of us wish for, and that supervisor mar was attempting to articulate in his legislation that this be something that homeowners avail themselves of is actually unlikely. is more likely that a developer will find these properties and hence the anti-speculative provisions are important. and particularly so because of the feasibility gaps in all three. i am not opposed to the -- as we have these discussions about building intergenerational wealth the notion that i have proposed supervisor, but i think i want to make sure that it is actually about intergenerational

building of equity within a family as compared to an inheritance by a nonfamily member. maybe the city attorney says when it says inheritance it means by a descendant, by a family member. but i can will my property to, you know, a developer and they could then, and they could pay me for that up front with, you know, in essence a life estate and i would not want it to be in that situation, particularly with an ex-tenant. i appreciate the concept but i think it might need a little word smithing to get at what we fundamentally don't want which is displacement of resident occupants. and we can adopt it today and i think there is a bunch of stuff

for future conversations, i want to put a place holder there, i don't want to see a deal where the ex-owner wills their property as part of a contract to somebody so they can get the five years up front. it's a minor detail, really. >> this may be a question for the city attorney. it is certainly above my pay grade. i do want to say that you know, for homeowner occupied properties it is obviously different than for renter occupied properties in terms of displacement. because there's no one that can make you do it if you own the place. so i do feel really strongly that we need to have a way for folks to, you know, pass on their assets and especially in communities who have been excluded from being able to own a property, and so i am -- i want us to get this right, and

we did work quite a bit with the city attorney and thank you so much for hustling on this one, and i hear you. we don't want the unintended consequences, but perhaps you want to shed some light, there are consequences to doing what you just said, by the way. go ahead. >> and this speaks to ownership, not occupancy. >> right. deputy city attorney anne pearson. i do agree with the point that supervisor peskin has says as written, it would apply to any type of inheritance, that said we could draft it to achieve a narrower goal for the times lived and owning of the property and just between a family member or family members who have left the property from one to another. and just be clear, we went back

and forth with the city attorney of this one, it was biz times last week that talked about the state proposition 19 and you know a lot of changes that have happened in the tax law and the fact that many families are choosing to own their homes in a family trust, as opposed to as a person. and so we didn't want to discount that, because increasingly we see that. so it is complicated, and i just wanted to caution us not to throw the baby out with the bath water or whatever. so, we can certainly -- we have been told this is not a substantive, you know, amendment, nevertheless, i think you know, if you guys, you know, vote for this amendment i would continue it anyway so we can continue to word smith and talk about things, yeah.

supervisor preston. >> thank you, madam chair. first off, thanks for the amendment to the amendment. i guess is what we call it. but you know, i think we've already said from the start that we want to try to rein in or not have speculative use while we allow the opportunities for folks who own their homes, so appreciate the amendment. i also appreciate the comment from supervisor peskin and hopefully we can figure out a way, as you say it, we don't want it so hyper technical someone is not allowed to use this ongoing ownership period if it's based on the form of ownership, a living trust, that kind of thing, i agree with you shouldn't be distinguished from the underlying beneficiary or owner of that, but agree without

some kind of limit there is the risk that there is pressure and i worry about pressure on elders and others of a real estate speculator trying to engage in what we often have seen, not in this context, right. but in terms of taking advantage of the situation to try to benefit from this by having the property transferred as part of, or through an estate. so i think it makes sense and you know, hopefully supervisor peskin or yourself can figure out that further tweak which sounds like would be nonsubstantive once that language is there so as not to delay us. thank you. >> ok. with that, if there are no

further comments or questions. >> i have high level comments, but as to -- >> go for it. >> once again, let me reiterate what i said at earlier meetings, i have appreciated the thoughtful and deliberative process and the amendments along the way as we have literally triangulated between three pieces of legislation and undercore in addition to the comments i made earlier about discouraging speculation and ensuring that there's no eviction. some of the other underlying themes as we have developed this along the way and one that i think we are all in agreement on and have amended into item number 2, and that should remain a high priority, particularly in so far what we do here is going to be a model for future pieces of legislation and specifically that's to ensure that the

resulting housing created by this law is subject to rent control and thank supervisor mandelman for including that in the proposal which would allow for regulatory agreements when the planning department administratively waives density limits, and i think that's one of the best tools we have for long-term stability of our residents and communities and even though it will be at today's market in 10, 20 years, that's going to be meaningful relative to community stability. but i also note that this legislation does not regulate the subdivision and separate sale of resulting units of housing which means that more likely than not in many if not

most cases there will be moderately sized and moderately priced homes for purchase or more than moderately priced. so i want to as we continue to have this conversation going forward put a place holder in for continued areas of conversation and i think that's one particularly given that the condo lottery is going to come to an end in the next couple of years, so i want to put a place holder in that. and i also wanted to note that, and i harped on this i think at our last meeting or maybe it was the meeting before that, and this was in the context of feasibility analysis that, and it turned out not to be nefarious, but just a timing issue, the feasibility analysis conducted by planning was done in time to evaluate the mar and safai proposals but after the

mandelman proposal had come to the board, which resulted in somewhat of an unfair dynamic, which were general plan findings that constrained the mar and safai proposals and did not apply to mandelman. having said that, i think i am prepared to support item number 2 as we have amended it. but i also want to add something i think all the members of this committee are aware of and that is that it has certainly been my intention, i think this committee's intention to send this file forward at the same time that we send the tenderloin chinatown group housing sud forward so they can be voted for together at the board of supervisors and as i mentioned previously, while i don't think the city attorney believes the sud can be considered down

zoning based on the other opportunities in chinatown and t.o., we would like to make it clear the upzoning benefits for the west side in this legislation, it affects the west side of the city more than the east side of the city so that, anyway, they are heard together so i would like to do that, and then relative to the ongoing conversation in so far as this sets a precedent for future rezonings, i would at our next meeting, and i want to put a place holder in for this, would like to insert nonsubstantive language to provide some independent feasibility analysis that would help us find a clearer path to achieving some affordability for private developers to increase your equity in their own property,

whether it's on-site or through a fee as mentioned in earlier conversations we did in the inclusionary discussions of now a half a decade ago and campaign to a successful conclusion in that, and i say all this and i haven't evaluated the map very carefully but as a supervisor who definitely prior to redistricting had no rh-1, much less rh-1d and after redistricting i might have picked up less than a city block of rh-1 on russian hill but i'm not even clear on that yet. >> ok, supervisor. thank you for those comments. madam clerk, let's go to public comment on this. i'm sorry, just to be clear, we

are taking public comment on three items but if folks are commenting on item number 4 it is a continue -- will be a continuance to the call of the chair. >> clerk: approach the podium, you have two minutes. >> i'm georgia shutus, whether it's fb nine or whatever you do, four-plex, six-plex legislation, housing goals are challenging. key word, take away in the financial feasibility studies from the planning department's consultant. even the most recent study from may 6th uses the same word, cashing out. this is one of the potential take-aways on page 14 of the executive summary of october 21, 2021, from the planning department.

i think you talked about today but it needs to receive more attention. i submitted a copy to miss major for all three board files and to your staffs. how could decision makers deal with the potential issue due to upzoning for the many homeowners -- homeowners lacking the wherewithal to benefit themselves and may be easy targets for developers due to sb9. the committee should discuss it more. preserving existing housing, considered to be more affordable than new housing is the real issue as you all know. if it is compelling to pass any of these proposals right now in response to sb9, commissioners suggestion of zoning -- upzoning the corner lots allows up to six units should be discussed. and finally, whether or not any of these ordinances are passed and upzoning the entire city is passed draft on the horizon, now

is when speculation could ramp up and run rampant, even more than it has in the past decade. so i urge the committee to bring back a file passed unanimously and continue the call of the chair on may 12, 2020. it could put a damper on housing speculation while its sorted out, thank you. and i have copies for you. >> clerk: any members of the public like to speak on 2-4 in the chamber? no? ok, and we are going to move on to the remote public call-in line. if you have not done so already, star 3 to be added to the queue for those on hold, please continue to wait, you'll hear the system indicate you have been unmuted and you may begin your comments. 11 listeners today, five in the queue. susana, being unmute the first caller, please.

>> good afternoon, i want to start by appreciating chair melgar and all the work done to move forward with this complicated program and a way to ensure what ultimately gets approved is not gentrification, displacement or speculation program. the report addresses the concerns if we don't get the anti-speculation measures right it will be a destructive program for communities. it shows little to no incentive for the market to take the projects on unless they are super sizing and upscaling. otherwise, little to no profit to be made. rhetoric from the planners and politicians say it will lead to something for middle income households is hollow, holding rents could work but not 18% expected return. if we want it to be a program for middle income households can't be looking to profit types

of incentives. we need to look at levers suggested by century urban as defined by supervisor peskin and amended by chair melgar in exchange for housing middle income families. financial and technical assistance along the lines of expanding the incentive fund pilot program and using levers by century urban, along with the restrictions would combine to prioritize housing in exchange to affordability. and thank you to supervisor peskin bringing up the condo and needing to deal with that quickly. otherwise it would be a negative impact to the program. and thank you for asking for the report to have the recommendations for the upzoning results in housing affordable to low and middle income households, thank you. >> thank you for your comments.

next speaker, please. >> eileen, coalition for san francisco neighborhoods speaking on my own behalf. when sb9 was moving through the legislature, more than 240 cities took an official position to oppose sb9 as did the coalition for san francisco neighborhoods, sunset park side education action committee and more, and yet all three san francisco legislators supported sb9, even though it's based on reaganonmics, it came from big tech and developers including those who specialize in modular duplexes. there's been a lawsuit filed against sb9, also one against sb10, aids healthcare foundation. the california independent systems operator has announced

that the state may not have enough electricity. the state water resources control board has imposed statewide mandatory restrictions, and yet acd and the legislature seem oblivious to this. i'm strongly urging the committee to table these multiple legislation attempts and to join these lawsuits because as the mayan prophesy states, in the end time there will be no secrets. thank you. >> thank you so much, take the next caller please. 12 listening, five in the queue. >> good afternoon, supervisors, zack with young community developers, and race and equity coalition. we urge to prioritize affordability and anti-speculation framework with regard to the zoning. it's critical we target existing homeowners with this legislation, tailoring technical and funding support to add units to the existing homes. this legislation is a company with sufficient funding for

program such as housing innovation fund and technical assistance program. as the programs will ensure our low and middle income owners can benefit. and adding bonus units creating middle income housing by offering a range of supports, such as the waiving of city fees, and many of which are mentioned in the feasibility study. and meet the stated goal of the supply of middle and income housing. anything higher than 1:00 a.m.i., need to be transparent about that. assumption that the program should maximize return on investment will increase gentrification and displacement outcomes. also the highest priority the legislation includes a look back requirement to qualify for the density limit exception. any proposal sent to the full

board as amended by supervisor melgar, and a look forward requirement must also be included. a long way to ensuring it's targeted to current homeowners and not speculators. [please stand by]

tax abatements. we support adoption of possible provision such as outlined for affordable housing as well for developer programs. the five year look back and look forward is critical. we appreciate the word smithing on family ownership which is important. we concur. >> we have 11 listeners and two in the queue. press star three to speak. otherwise we will take the last to. >> this is lorraine petty, affordable housing advocate for seniors. as you finalize this legislation, i urge you to keep in mind there are two separate types of builders. the ordinary homeowner occupier

and pro official developer. what concerns me most are small owner occupiers. manyeldders who was a stable secure community for themselves and extended family and friends. they want to stop exile from san francisco. there requires the legislation to include affordability. for those who want to buy or rent. continue to build community. this can be accomplished by creating two separate programs. similar to the way we approach a.d.u.s. each geared toward one or the other types of builders. pro official are more likely to build market rate than the other for the smaller home occupier

who chooses affordability. they both should include tenant rent control. the owner occupier program should be combined with very much extended fund to make affordable units possible to incentives. any units to those who need affordability not wealthy people. this could be verified by the process in common practice with land lords checking pay stubs or tax returns. i support the five year look back. require at least one of them -- >> last caller, please. >> good afternoon. i am charlie summer was the race

and equity planning coalition. i would like to comment on the planning. this feasibility analysis was most focused on the area of investor buying property with the intent to demolish, rebuild and seller. why can't we start with the experience of the homeowner looking to expand to family needs. creating additional unit goes to care for elders, kids moving back home from college. additional units in the case of public inheritance. this would eliminate land acquisition costs. homeowners won't know how to do it. look at partnerships with nonprofit development corporations with that expertise. of all of the scenarios it

suggests these projects are the most feasible of any that was studied. these would require fewer financial resources, debt and risks. why aren't we focusing on this strategy asking how to make it work better? why don't we consider affordable financing to the programs developed to our future san francisco public bank? it is utmost important this include five your ownner ship requirement to make sure communities are protected from speculators. we look at equity and affordability in whatever housing afford built for the city. thank you for your consideration. >> thank you. that is the last caller in the queue. >> thank you, madam clerk. any further comments, colleagues?

this is what i propose we do. we continue items 2 and i-44 call of the chair -- four to the call of the chair. item three we amend as i read into the record and we continue that to next week. is that enough time, supervisor peskin? >> supervisor peskin: i think we have heard it. as long as it is on the calendar it is good. the language i can have prepared by next week. >> did you want to weigh in on this plan? >> i would request the committee consider continuing both two and

three to whichever date so both options would remain in the mix until the committee renders the final verdict. >> let me restate. continue number 4. to call of the chair. amend three. continue two and three to next week. >> to continue traveling together until the committee reaches a verdict. >> sounds good. >> did you want to say something supervisor preston? >> i know the clerk and deputy city attorney are conferring. you may want to restate. >> i just want to make sure if you continue to the call of the chair they will inquiry publishing the notice. >> yes. >> this is perhaps why supervisor mandelman requests

that. thank you. so the motion was to continue the item two to next week. three there is a motion on the floor to amend and tip to next week as well. item number four to continue to the call of the chair. >> supervisor preston. >> before we vote. i am wrapping my brain around the two files. my understanding they are identical except for the look back amendment. i am wondering the other option is just move forward three. that would be non substantive in there were changes. i am not sure of the benefit of both filings as opposed to one file. >> i think it is courtesy to our colleague supervisor mandelman who wants to keep it alive

without having to re-notice it. next week we can vote and move forward with one. >> thank you. >> on the motion to continue item two 0866 to next week. supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> supervisor preston. >> aye. >> supervisor melgar. >> aye. >> you have three ayes. on item three file 220446 to accept amendment as requested from supervisor or chair melgar. >> peskin. >> aye. >> preston. >> aye. >> melgar. >> aye. >> you have three ayes. for the remaining balance of that item continue as amended to next week supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> preston. >> aye. >> melgar. >> aye. >> you have three ayes.

item four to continue to the call of the chair. supervisor peskin. >> aye. >> supervisor preston. >> aye. >> supervisor melgar. >> aye. >> tough three ayes. >> thank you. madam clerk. is there any further business? >> that completes the business for today. >> we are adjourned. thank you.

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made. that is our opinion. >> i can't argue with you. >> you are responsible please do not know his exact. [♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] [♪♪♪] >> i had a break when i was on a major label for my musical career. i took a seven year break. and then i came back. i worked in the library for a long time. when i started working the san francisco history centre, i noticed they had the hippie collection. i thought, if they have a hippie collection, they really need to have a punk collection as well.

so i talked to the city archivist who is my boss. she was very interested. one of the things that i wanted to get to the library was the avengers collection. this is definitely a valuable poster. because it is petty bone. it has that weird look because it was framed. it had something acid on it and something not acid framing it. we had to bring all of this stuff that had been piling up in my life here and make sure that the important parts of it got archived. it wasn't a big stretch for them to start collecting in the area of punk. we have a lot of great photos and flyers from that area and that. that i could donate myself. from they're, i decided, you know, why not pursue other people and other bands and get them to donate as well? the historic moments in san francisco, punk history, is the

sex pistols concert which was at winterland. [♪♪♪] it brought all of the punks on the web -- west coast to san francisco to see this show. the sex pistols played the east coast and then they play texas and a few places in the south and then they came directly to san francisco. they skipped l.a. and they skipped most of the media centres. san francisco was really the biggest show for them pick it was their biggest show ever. their tour manager was interested in managing the adventures, my band. we were asked to open to support the pistols way to that show. and the nuns were also asked to open the show. it was certainly the biggest crowd that we had ever played to. it was kind of terrifying but it did bring people all the way from vancouver, tee seattle, portland, san diego, all up and down the coast, and l.a., obviously. to san francisco to see this show. there are a lot of people who say that after they saw this

show they thought they would start their own band. it was a great jumping off point for a lot of west coast punk. it was also, the pistols' last show. in a way, it was the end of one era of punk and the beginning of a new one. the city of san francisco didn't necessarily support punk rock. [♪♪♪] >> last, but certainly not least is a jell-o be opera. they are the punk rock candidate of the lead singer called the dead kennedys. >> if we are blaming anybody in san francisco, we will just blame the dead kennedys. >> there you go. >> we had situations where concerts were cancelled due to flyers, obscene flyers that the city was thought -- that he thought was obscene that had been put up. the city of san francisco has come around to embrace it's musicians.

when they have the centennial for city hall, they brought in all kinds of local musicians and i got to perform at that. that was, at -- in a way, and appreciation from the city of san francisco for the musical legends. i feel like a lot of people in san francisco don't realize what resources there are at the library. we had a film series, the s.f. punk film series that i put together. it was nearly sold out every single night. people were so appreciative that someone was bringing this for them. it is free. everything in the library is free. >> it it is also a film producer who has a film coming out. maybe in 2018 about crime. what is the title of it? >> it is called san francisco first and only rock 'n' roll movie. crime, 1978. [laughter] >> when i first went to the art institute before the adventures were formed in 77, i was going to be a painter.

i did not know i would turn into a punk singer. i got back into painting and i mostly do portraiture and figurative painting. one of the things about this job here is i discovered some great resources for images for my painting. i was looking through these mug shot books that we have here that are from the 1920s. i did a whole series of a mug shot paintings from those books. they are in the san francisco history centre's s.f. police department records. there are so many different things that the library provides for san franciscans that i feel like a lot of people are like, oh, i don't have a library card. i've never been there. they need to come down and check it out and find out what we have. the people who are hiding stuff in their sellers and wondering what to do with these old photos or old junk, whether it is hippie stuff or punk stuff, or stuff from their grandparents,

if they bring it here to us, we can preserve it and archive it and make it available to the public in the future.