>> this meeting televised by sfgovtv on channel 26. please stand to recite the pledge of allegiance. >> i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america, and to the republic, for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. >> my name is dan leung the assistance for the sheriff oversight board. on behalf of the sheriff department and oversight board we like to thank the staff at sfgovtv to provide technical assistance to broadcast the meeting. i will now call the agenda. lineitepm 1, roll call. welcome and introduction. informational. roll call. board

member afuhaamango. >> push the button. bottom left. turn the pike mic on. >> hell o. okay. hi. here. >> thank you. board member afuhaamango is here. board member brookter. >> present. >> board member brookter is present. board member carrion is out of the country and will not be in attendance today. she is watching live though. board member nguyen. >> present. >> board member nguyen is present. board member palmer is also out of the country and will be joining remotely and just watching. board member soo. >> board member soo is present. board member wechter.

>> present. >> board member wechter is prenlt. we have a quorum. also with us a kepy city attorney jana clark, sheriff office paul miyamoto. executive director paul henderson and chief (inaudible) we welcome guests. the floor is open to provide a 2 minute introduction starting with board member afuhaamango. >> hi, everyone. my name is ovava. i am a community member. i was born and raised in san francisco. just i think that's the short end of it. thank you. >> seat number 2, board member jason wechter. >> good evening. i'm jason wechter. this is a

osuspicious day for me to be here. it was exactly 39 years ago today on august 22, 1983 that i and the other first staff members of the office of citizen complaints reported for work and that began what has been a very long and deep career and commitment to civilian oversight. i learned a lot over the way-along the way. i'm here because of that continuing commitment. i worked in a professional capacity for various agencies, served on the board of directors for the national association for civilian oversight of law enforcement and been very active in their activities. i think this is a natural extension for me to be here. i hope a major thing i can contribute is helping avoid the mistakes made in 1983 when a unsupportive commission set up a agency that did not function effectively and not choose the right director, they did not insure adequate

resources and staffing so those are very hard lessen tuesday to learn and hope i can bring what i learned along the way to this board and help it succeed. thank you. >> good evening. my name is (inaudible) been with the san francisco sheriff office for 6 years. i sit on the union seat for the sheriff oversight board, and i'm looking forward to bridging the gap between the public and our office to get a better understanding of what we do. thank you. >> thank you very much. i am julia diane soo and proud to continue service with the city. i previously served on the san francisco of commission on the status for women 12 years. my dayiary s is enforcement attorney for the california department of insurance, where i protect the public,

conduct disciplinary actions through administrative hearings against individuals as well as companies. my prior life was a mathematician so i'm very oriented towards numbers, dash boards, accountability and i'm pleased to try to strike a balance with building a professional staff enhancing the professional staff of the sheriff's department as well as listening to the community. my family has been in san francisco since the late 1880's and i'm very committed to public service so very pleased to be here. >> thank you. seat number 7, board member dion-jay brookter. >> thank you. diane jay brookter. dj. i'm the executive director of (inaudible) focused on work force development, education services as well as the designing and building

of affordable housing, so i have been in san francisco over 12 years and had the opportunity to serve some of the most underserved communities in san francisco. most notably on the general obligation bond oversight committee where i served a couple years under the controller and most recent leon the san francisco police commissioner who served as liaison. a natural fit. i want to say thank you to the sheriff department coalescing and pulling us together. chief has done a phenomenal job communicating with all of us and dan. looking forward what we can do together. i want to bring a community voice as we serve a lot of individuals just involved and continue to do soio want to continue to figure how to bridge the gap between what sogoing on in the jails and in the communities so we can all continue to live here together side by side.

>> thank you. continuing on to line itm 1a, introduction and remarks by sheriff paul mimeeto of miyamoto of the san francisco sheriff office. >> hopefully this is on. okay. good evening everyone. on behalf of myself and the women and men of the san francisco sheriff office, i want to congratulate and welcome all sof you have to the responsibility of being members of the first sheriff oversight board. you have a important jobs and obligations are intertwined with the sheriff office. you bring professional knowledge and life experiences and you are going to be able to shine a good light on all the work we do. and the good work our deputies do every day. i want to insure you that we are here as you mentioned earlier, board member brookter, that we are here to operate in full transparency and work together with you to make this

all happen and become a successful endeavor. during my 2019 campaign to get this job as sheriff, i wanted to create a community advisory board. why? because collaboration is the key. we need to communicate with the community and advocate not just for incarcerated or injusted involved persons but everybody and everything the sheriff office does. we want to make sure what we do is transparent and understood by the rest of the community and you are going to be a part of that as we move forward. in may of 2019, our office entered into agreement with department of police accountability to investigate several existing high profile allegations of misconduct. in august of 2020, the relationship between the dpa and sheriff office was modified to strengthen the provision of that oversight; including the ability for justice involved persons and

public to file complaints directly to dpa opposed to just the sheriff office assigning cases and this is the growth of what we see as a continuing commitment to make sure we are transparent and make sure we work with you. we are fully invested and commit td to this and i wanted to say personally, i want to recognize all you for your civic commitment whether your first time or whether you have been here 39 years, i appreciate that having been in the sheriff office for 27 years now the commitment to everything we are going to do and your voluntary commitment in terms of giving your time and energy to this is going to help improve us and i want to commend you for your service to all of us, the community and our office. please, embrace this responsibility to make recommendations to both myself and the board of supervisors about our operations, about complaints against

employees or contractors and how we deal with in custody or out of custody operations relate today the sheriff office, please embrace this responsibility. our deputies are often overlook in comparison to the amount of support given to other public safety agencies and we hope you not only hold our deputies accountable and also hold the community accountable in regards to supporting the sheriff office and doing this job. it is real easy to focus on negative thinks when we talk about the sheriff office because we are a intgle part for the sheriff cyst so responsible for the jails and courts. sometimes people dont want to think about those places unless they have those involved or directly related to the justice system itself. you will be a part of the voice the department has been in the justice system. one thing that we do ck that sometimes isn't recognized is the fact that we work with people that

are justice involved every day. gives unique perspective and ability to provide for opportunities for change. this has been reflected in the past in what our department has been about with what is not a traditional justice jail setting. we have been able to achieve and accomplish a lot, which served to be a national model for success in areas such as programs and services that help to reduce recidivism. things we have in terms of 5 keysant grated treatment, therapeutic art, things we talked about during your training and orientation process, you will be able to emerse in first hand and we have been challenged recently with the restrictiveness and challenges of operating under the covid emergency protect ive order. i'm hopeling you will be a part of moving us on from that and reestablishing a lot of what we have done

and what we hope to accomplish moving forward. we are very proud of being a part of the transformation people experience when justice involved. i hope you all realize just what you have seen so far this is very important work. as i mentioned during our time together during the training orientation, i'm optimistic our work together will peel back the curtains and show the community who we are and what we do. our work will reflect the core values of service, professionalism and pride and i look forward working with all of you in the years to come. thank you. >> thank you sheriff paul miyamoto. line item 1b, introduction and remarks by director paul henderson of department of police accountability. spearheading the deputy

investigations. >> go? thank you so much. thank you. good evening. thank you for being here. i didn't realize paul was making a speech and feel there is pressure, but that's okay. i want to thank you guys paul henderson for having me here and to speak a little bit about the work. i'm up here with my chief of staff sarah hawkins but i want to talk a little bit about the work because we actually started the conversations with sheriff hennessey in 2018 and that transitioned to the mou and the loa you guys have already as public record

outlining what the work has been. i think that history is important, because it reflects a non--a substantial period of time that the work was being done to provide some of the inquiry and investigation regarding the oversight that is not lost on me in terms of the significance to the benefit for the city. over 130 cases, more then 60 of them involved serious kind of cases that have been well above the national average in the work and so, our role here is to provide seem less transition in terms of the work and the leadership for the work. i just want to take the opportunity to thank my staff for doing what has been pretty complicated work. the work was similar to the police

oversight, the investigations and the discipline, but different and so, i asked a lot of my staff from the very beginning and they provided a lot of work, a lot of expertise, a lot of developed expertise doing the work and i didn't want to not acknowledge how hard the folks at dpa have been working to make sure we have a professional product delivered both to the commission and to the citizens here and to the sheriff department. and thank all of you, the commissioner here for volunteering your time. this is day 1 of what will be a long and very busy journey i expect. i think everyone has copies of the mou and the letter of understanding that governs our work and that defines what has been done and what gets done for the work so far and that's should be a solid

foundation for everyone so i want to thank everyone for allowing us to do the work that we have done so far. did i miss anything? you have anything? >> (inaudible) >> and i will yield the remaining balance of my time-do i get a timer? i didn't realize. i yield the remainder of our time to my chief of staff, sara hawkins. >> thank you commissioners. i look forward helping with the transition as well. the main 2 things alluded by sheriff miyamoto and director henderson are the jurisdiction outlined in the agreement. it started with 8 cases referred to us by sheriff hennessey, those 8 cases were about 35 cases once we broke them apart. that involved into seeing the need to broaden the scope to take complaints directly from members of the

community and individuals who are incarcerated and to better define the scope of the types of cases we did so i think that was a important step that has driven the work. also in attendsance is germane jones dpa staff attorney. he (inaudible) who dedicated a lot of resources to this work really have done the training, done a lot of work to understand the best practices for sheriff ovsite and bring that to what we are doing. we also had a very productive relationship with sheriff legal margaret bum gartner and sheriff department unlike the hiccups we experienced with getting things from sfpd for various reasons, not trying to comment on that but we had a very agreeable and productive relationship in terms of document protocol, how we handle cases, access to materials so sure the sheriff department will continue with this commission and how the work moves forward and we are happy to help and

committed to doing the work until there is transition in place and being a part of adviceing, helping, do whatever we can to make sure work is getting done and getting done well. thank you. >> i want to thank the other partners involved in bringing this project and the work to and with dpa, which were involved the mayor's office, obviously the sheriff's office, the city attorney's office, the community and (inaudible) walton and board of supervisors. i think that was integral and not lost on me those individuals and those agencies collectively trusted the work, the independence and outcome from the work at dpa to come to us in the first place. it isn't lost on me and i want to acknowledge and thank them for trusting all of us to deliver the products we have done so far and we

look forward to the seemless transition so, thank you all. >> thank you director henderson and chief hawkins. line item 1c, introduction and remarks by deputy city attorney jana clark. deputy city attorney will give a presentation on her role to the board as deputy city attorney, the scope of the body authority and the realm of the individual board members. >> hi, everyone. i think i met most of you at the training and those that i didn't meet, again my name is jana clark, i work for the city attorney's office and thought i would give background into what i do in general and then i was going to hit three topics. one base any the role of boards and commissions generally and speak to the role of this body in particular specifically, and then discuss just high points of the public meeting laws. and then i will

probably have comments on a couple other agenda items as they come up, for example recruitment of the inspector general and-basically, i am advice attorney and my role is to provide advice to the departments i'm assigned, and just by way of background, i advice the juvenile probation department including the juvenile probation commission. advice the department of police accountability and advice the sheriff department. i do a few other thing s but those are the highlights of what i do, and what that means is, i'm available to all those departments to answer any questions that come up related to your work and that includes you all of course. you all have my contact information and you can all feel free

to contact me by e-mail or phone any time you have a question that comes up as we progress and we all learn because this is a brand new body so i'm learning along with you the ins and outs of this body. guided by the charter. basically i thought it would be a good idea to go through generally what boards and commissions, what their authority is in general and some of the restrictions on boards and commissions and individual members. i will probably keep calling you commissioners but think you are technically all members and don't think there is a real distinction in the law but forgive me if i call you a commissioner and you are not. starting with the charter, section 4.102 speaks generally to the powers and duties and restrictions of boards and commissions. in general, your duties are and this is true of every board or commission, unless the charter section that applies to you

specifically says differently, these are the rules and restrictions that apply to your board. basically the first duty is to formulate and-i provided these materials but should probably said for anyone else who didn't get the materials ahead of time i will follow what we call the good government guide. it is a document that my office creates and it has-it is our bible basically for advising boards and commissions and it basically talks about what your roles are, what the restrictions are. there is a section on public meetings, and the rules that apply to those and a whole section on public records so basically i'm starting like from page 13 of the good government guide that everyone can find on the city attorney website and that page was included in the material, so page 13-25 of the good government guide. basically under charter section

4.102, your duties are to formulate evaluate and approve goals objectives plans and programs and set policies consistent with the overall objective s of the city established by the mayor and board through the adoption of regulation. number 2, developing keep current anium statement of purpose outlining jurisdiction, authority, purposes and goals subject to review and approval by the mayor and board. the third category is after public hearing, approve department budget. that for this board is going to be the office-the budget for the office of inspector general. you dont have a inspector general yet, you don't have a department so have a department technically so there isn't a budget to approve. the budget approval process usually happens in the spring and i'll be available at that time to guide the board through the process. recommend to the mayor for further submission of the board rates fees and similar

charges. that is probably not going to come up for you. rec and park might set fees for different events they have and those would go-that would be something the rec and park commission would do but don't think you guys with ilhave these. number 5, unless the charter provides differently, and it does, basically this talks about a process by which the mayor submit nominees to a body to choose a department head for you. you are not going-it isn't dpoeing going to go that way. charter section 4.137 that applies specifically to this body, this body appoints a department head without going through that process of mayoral appointments so that is one that doesn't exactly apply to you. number 6, remove department head. again, that would be up to it this body. number 7, conduct investigations and any aspect of governmental operations within your jurisdiction, which

is sheriff department oversight through the power of inquiry and make recommendations to the mayor and board. number 8, exercise whatever powers and duties the board might give you. number 9, appoint executive secretary to manage the affairs and operation of the board of commission. you have a acting secretary who i think so far as i seen done a fabulous job. a little later down the line because you have a lot on your plate we can talk about the appointment process for a secretary and we'll pull in dhr to make sure dot all is and cross t. restrictions on commissions. the main thing to focus on here is that you act through the department head, so what the charter says is each board or commission relative to the affairs of its own department shall deal with administrative matters through the department head or his or her designee and any dictation suggestion or interference prohibited on the

member of the board constitute official misconduct. provided however that you can still exercise your power of inquiry. meaning you can have hearings and bring people from different departments in front of you to answer questions, but otherwise, the board needs to act through the department head, which will be for this body the inspector general when that person is hired. the same will be true of when you interact with the sheriff department. we talked about this at the training i think. any questions you have for the sheriff department need to go through the sheriff himself or the sheriff designee and my understanding is the sheriff designated chief gu and think you all had interactions with him already. you cant reach out to someone else in the department with questions, even though that might seem more straight forward and easy, that is a hard and fast rule. the same restrictions apply to individual commissioners. first of all, your

power is as a body and so no individual commissioner has the power to exercise any of the powers and duties of the board, so-in order for this body to act you need 4 members, that is quorum. the same rule about interference applies. the body can't interfere and each individual commissioner can't interfere with the administrative affairs of the department, meaning again, you have to go thru the sheriff or sharing designee or inspector general or who ever he or she might designate. you can ask questions at any point but i'll guess i'll go through and ask questions at the end and you can e-mail questions if quou are more comfortable doing that. the role of commission officers. i think you have on the agenda today the election of officers. basically the officers have the power that you guys decide they

have individual officers the president and vice president as long as it isn't inconsistent with the charter or public meeting laws. you all get to say whether the presidents sets the agenda. whether the secretary sets the agenda. trying to think what else-how officers are elected, what day you meet. things like that. isent you sample bylaws. the bylaws usually set out how you are going to elect your officers. one thing to note because this is on the agenda like i said, you can decide to put off electing officers at a later point till you all get to know each other and are more familiar with your roles and one option you might have before you get into formal election of officers is to elect a president pro tem, which i had to google to appreciate means for

the timebeing, so if you want to put off electing a president and vice president you could decide when this item is called to instead president pro tem to run the meeting until you decide to elect officers or you can elect them tonight but i want ed to give that option. moving through my notes here. so, the role of the department head, page 16, those materials i provided. basically the department head for the sheriff is the sheriff department is the sheriff. for the office of inspector general it is inspector general. they will hire-for the sheriff he hires who is in the department and for the inspector general it is up to that person to hire the investigators or whatever staff they think are necessary. so, i won't go into a lot of detail about the role of department heads because you have a elected sheriff now, but happy to answer questions about that,

but because you don't have a inspector general i wasn't going to into a lot of detail what they power might be. the commission secretary, moving to page 17. you have a big agenda so trying to move quickly, but tell me to slow down if you want me to. so, the commission secretary, is appointed by the board and their job is you have seen it in action so don't have to explain it. working with who ever the chair is typically is how it works to create the agenda. the way it work frd this meeting was different because you didn't have a chair at that point but usually-often what bodies do is some point in the meeting they have future agenda items and people throw out what they think is a good idea for the agenda for the following meeting or next meeting or two meetings away and what i have seen is the president working with the secretary makes arrangements. for example, if the body were to say, we want to

hear from the district attorney. just making it up. then the-usually the secretary would reach out to the district attorney, fiend out their availability and based on that decide what agenda it would make sense for that item to be set. it could be fluid and it works best if it is usually one officer and the secretary working together because you have-usually it requires flexibility. the role of the city attorney, that is me. so, the most important thing to remember is the city is the client. the city attorney represents the city and county of san francisco, and all of you are officers of the city and county of san francisco because you are sitting on this board now, and so our office provides advice to every city officer. some things that happen in

practice are sometimes different departments have different views on things. but everybody gets the same legal advice. that is the most important take-away and the role of the city attorney, there is three pages and i will not go through all of it. the most important thing is, the city is the client, you can ask us any questions, and then this is all within the privilege if you come to me with questions, but what we don't do is-even though you are all the city-say you like to ask a question about the sheriff department, a legal question but you don't rather not-the sheriff know you are asking me, sorry to be--sometimes that happens believe it or not. then you can trust that i am not going to--mr. brookter if you say have a question about the sheriff and the scope of his authority. i will give the legal advice. if the

sheriff came and asked the same question i will give him the legal advice and not tell either party their asked. it works better if everybody feels they can come to us and ask advice and questions without worrying someone else will find out they are asking. there is a lot more detail and written in a lot more fancy form but basically that is the bottom line. every once in a while it is necessary that we bring everybody in and everybody is aware that different departments asked for the same advice and might prepare a memo directed to the board and sheriff office and everybody would be brought into it but that is a rare ocurance. the advice you get from our office, this is a public meeting and going through the basics, none of the advice i'm giving you now is privileged because i'm giving it in a public setting but if you come to me sep aretly and ask a

question and i give you legal advice it is privileged and this is a important fact. especially if i give the body advice. every once in a while there may be a issue and maybe a few brought it up so might send e-mail to the whole board with legal advice. it is privileged the body can wave the privilege but when the advice is given to the body but no individual member can wave the privilege. if you think i think the world should know this advice, if i gave the advice to the body the body has to wave the privilege in order to share that advice outside the group included in theed advice. racing through, because i know you have a lot on your plate. i sent out in the spring it feels a million years ago, a letter with basically some trainings

required like sunshine. there is a harassment training. certain ethics filings so that was laid out in the letter. if you have questions about that, feel free to contact me, but there were deadlines in the letters and dont think we have to go over them now because i think everyone is up to speed on that. normally there wouldn't have been a time lag and so i might be more reminding you but i think your former acting secretary, now the secretary made sure you are all up to speed on your form 700 filings and required trainings. again, feel free to ask me questions. rules and regulations, this is a item on the agenda. the bylaws to discuss anyway, adopting bylaws so we can talk more about that when that item is called. but like i said before, those things usually-rules and regulations usually cover things like the terms of office for officers, the duties of the

officers, establishing regular meeting time and place and procedure for setting the agenda, what we already talked about. quorum, page 24 for those following along in the material. it takes 4 members of this body to act. even if the-right now there are 5 of you here, you still need 4 members to act. if there is not a majority present-it isn't the majority of seats filled it is the chapter. seven in the charter and need 4 to act. that is a hard and fast rule. election of officers. just generally the way that it works, if you don't have a procedure set up in the bylaws which you don't have bylaws yet so don't have a procedure, generally the way that works is the presiding officer and in this case i think the way we'll do it is a secretary will act in that role for this purpose. request nominations from the

body. you don't have to have a second. and when no one else wants to offer nominations then the commission votes on the nomination in the order received and the first candidate to receive majority of the votes is elected to the office, so that's generally how-based on robert rule ofered order and you dont have a bylaw we look to robert rule of order. when you adopt bylaws you can have a different process. it is a good idea to run that by me first. this body-this body 4.137, sure you are familiar with it. i will go through what your powers and duties are but you can read them and just make a few comments. basically, under the charter 4.137b, there is a whole first section that talks

about appointments. the first duty is to appoint and if necessary remove the inspector general and sheriff office of inspector general. that is one thing you need to be thinking about getting done right away. number two, evaluate the work of the office of inspector general and they review that inspector general's performance. you don't have one yet so that is not going to kick in yet. number three, compile evaluate and recommend law enforcement custodial and patrol best practice. number four, connect community outreach and receive community input regarding the sheriff office operation and jail conditions by holding public meetings and solicited input from persons incarcerated. five, prepare and submit quarterly report to sheriff and board regarding this board's evaluations and outreach and the inspector general reports submitted to this

board. march 1 each year prepare a annual report to the board that includes a summary of your evaluation and outreach and summary of the inspector general report submitted. performing duties you can hold hearings, issue subpoenas to witnesses to appear and protection of evidence administer oath and take testimony. let me make sure--those are basically your duties. just to give you the lay of the land before you came into existence, basically the investigations insdants or complaints or whatever regarding the sheriff department were handled in-house until-i think they already spoke about this, the sheriff's department enlisted the department of police accountability to investigate the complaints and things like that coming in. the department

of police accountability through a memorandum of understanding with the sheriff's department is conducting those investigations for the sheriff. so, once the inspector general is up and running, they will then take on that role. what the department of police accountability does right now is on behalf of the sheriff, because like i said, those things are previously done in-house. once you have a inspector general the department of police accountability presumably can step down. there is nothing to prevent the sheriff to continue to work with department of police accountability should he decide, but under the charter the office of inspector general will take on the investigative role, so that's kind of the set up. the second role that the department of police accountability played, which is very helpful is that because under the charter there was no department assigned to provide administrative support for this body. the department of police

accountability stepped in and has been playing that role, so that's their role. those are the two ways in which this body interacts with the department of police accountability. let's see--public meeting laws. this is a thrill. basically the good government guide starting page 132 has a long discussion of public meeting laws but some things i want to highlight because i have thrown a lot of information at you, a meeting. so, you can only-you are supposed to meet in public. all your meetings are supposed to be public, but the tricky thing is what is considered a meeting is any time there is a quorum in the same place at the same time is a meeting. i know that seems a broad definition but that's the rule. so, if four of you are-if you all run into each other at a

restaurant and start talking about anything to do with the body's work or sheriff department or anything under your jurisdiction and basically even if it is not technically under your jurisdiction i would be careful because you would have a meeting. every meeting has to be noticed, means there has to be a agenda posted 72 hours before, so any meeting outside of a noticed public meeting. in other words, any gathering of the 4 of you without the conditions being met is a unlawful meeting. that is just a real broad way to think of meetings. if you-that is why we had to do the training, sequentially which i know was a ton of work for the sheriff department but that is why because if all were there together there would have been 4 at the same place and time discussing or basically discussing the business of the body, so that's why we have to

do that. and this gets trickier. there is the conspt of the (inaudible) i know some sat on a board or commission before so familiar with it. the other way you can meet and doing air quotes here, the other way you can meet is by way of (inaudible) meeting. if you are not all together in the same place and time but you are-four of you are discussing the business of the body sequentially or serially is the way i think of it. for example, if two of you are e-mailing back and forth and then you say-you forward the e-mail to one of you and that person brings in another person and they respond back you are having a meeting, even though that seems crazy. when the effect of your communication mean that discussing even if is is e-mail or phone call, the business of the body you are having a meeting. the best way

to avoid that, because i think it can accidently happen, if you want to communicate communicate through the secretary and then the secretary can blast out what you need-what you want to get to the rest of the body and then that will avoid someone inadvertently replying back all and generating e-mail discussion. happy to answer questions about that because that is a tricky concept if you haven't come across it before. as i said before, agendas, this is all like in a lot of detail in the good government guide. everything you talk about at a public meeting has to be agendized, meaning on the agenda. say today you want to talk about jail visits, you can't because it isn't on the agenda. even though it is the business of the body. and all the agendas have to be posted 72 hours ahead of time. if it isn't on the agenda 72

hours before the meeting you should not discuss it at the meeting. one exception is if you have on the agenda future agenda items and at that people will say put jail visits on the next agenda. that wouldn't be violating the public meeting laws. public comment. for each item you have to invite public comment and so we are still on item 1 so when i'm done yakking we'll invite public comment and also at every meeting you have to have a opportunity for general public comment where people can comment on anything that is relates to the business of the body but not on the agenda. during the public comment, especially someone brings up something not on the agenda, especially if you are

not that item you shouldn't have discussion that is triggered by the public comment, even though that might seem unnatural, someone raising a issue and not respond may seem-anyway, may seem uncomfortable but that is the rule. i put a lot at you. if you have questions you ask now and if i don't know the answer i will get back with the answer and like i said, i will have a few more chances to drone on when we call the other agenda items, but you have any questions on any of the stuff i covered so far? >> board member wechter. >> yes. thank you. you mentioned that the inspector general will hire their staff and a couple weeks ago paul henderson told me

everyone had been hired. he described as a chief position. a combination of his chief of staff and chief of investigation so i wanted to get clarification on that. >> so, the inspector general is the one who will hire all the position in the office of inspector general and then who appoints the secretary will be up to this body, and whether that person is a contract person whether they work for a different department is a more complicated question i don't know the answer off the top of my head and want to bring in hr. >> how can we determine whether someone has been hired because director henderson told me someone has been hired and the mayor's office had their name but hadn't been publicized yet? >> you mean the secretary-? >> no, the chief position. that is how he described it. >> i can talk to

director henderson off-line but the inspector general is the under charter responsible for all the appointments to that office. >> okay, thank you. >> any other question? like i said, feel free to e-mail me and i'll shoot a response back to you. if i know off the top of my head i'll reach research it and let you know. okay. thank you. >> thank you mrs. clark. for members of the public who are present and would like to make public comment on line item 1, you may line up at the podium. for those not present, public comment is available via phone calling 1 (415) 655-0001/

meeting id: 2494 609 6511# # to join the meeting as a participant. you will hear a beep when you entered the meeting, press star 3 and this will advise the moderator you wish to speak and add you to the queue. when you hear the moderator say good evening caller, you have two minutes, this is your opportunity to make public comment. you have two minutes to provide your comments. once your two minutes ended you will be moved out of the queue and back into listening as a participant in the meeting unless you decide to connect. >> my name is joanna hernandez a parent of someone incarcerated in san francisco county jail so this committee oversight is pornts important to me. born and raised in san francisco public safety is

number one as well. in regards to the position we are talking about, is there any community input on that as well? i guess that is a question or does it just have to be a comment? just putting it out there. >> i just tell you any action of the body happens and will happen at a public meeting so to that extent there is the opportunity for the public input. >> perfect. thank you. >> good afternoon. i'm (inaudible) i just wanted to thank you all for the commitment and the time that you have committed to do this. it is definitely something we waited a long time to see in san francisco and i just wanted to publicly thank you all for making that commitment to the people in custody and everybody who may want to use

this body, get information et cetera and i want to also thank director henderson and chief-sheriff miyamoto for their commitment to all of these reforms so i look forward working with you all. i'm with the office of president walton so if there is anything we can do to help out in every way, please let us know and i say during budget advocacy, everything is public for us as well so want to be sure you guys all have the supports you need and we are definitely looking at you all as we go into the office of inspector general hiring that process is going to be hard and something for you all to figure out, so good luck on that and we hope you bring us a candidate that is about reform, a candidate about language access and all the stuff that is coming up again and

again so thank you all. >> thank you. there is no other public comment in person. we'll take phone calls now. thank you caller, you have 2 minutes. >> (inaudible) >> my name is william palmer and i'm a member of the board. unfortunately my travel dates did not align with me being in person, so i wasn't able to attend in person but (inaudible) just wanted to let the public know that i'm honored to serve and i will do my due diligence and attend all other meetings. i want to bring to attention because i'm

in tune with the jail population as well as those members in the community that the conditions in san bruno are lock down. they are not able to contact a attorney and help and go to the library and we just want to bring this to the attention of the sheriff department to make sure they get the type of programming that is holistic and humane for everyone. thank you very much and i look forward to our next meeting in person. >> thank you mr. palmer. thank you caller, you have two minutes. >> alright. checking if i'm the caller. >> yes. >> great. good evening everyone. my name is (inaudible) also on the board and unable out of the

country at this time. i'm not there in person but i want to thank everyone that has been working on this for several years. it took a lot of people, took a lot of partnership and a lot of thought, resources and now we are here. i'm honored to be on this board. i was previously a prosecutor in san francisco and one of the things i did was serve as a attorney, prosecutor in the independent investigation bureau that investigated sheriff misconduct and other issues, potential criminal acts. i'm excited to bring a perspective of criminal justice refirm and someone in the trenches assisting people not only in my role as a prosecutor but as a community advocate for queers, people of color, women, et cetera. very excited to be here and thank

you all for your time and commitment to making san francisco the place that we want to continue living in and love and cherish so thank you so much. >> thank you mrs. carrion. thank you caller, you have 2 minutes. good evening caller, you have 2 minutes. >> can you hear me? >> yes. >> good evening. my name is (inaudible) the local policy director with the san francisco public defender's office. i just wanted to thank you all for being here today and thank the commissioners.

this is a really long time coming and we are just really in need of this oversight and just wanted to stress the importance of having a strong sheriff oversight, particularly when it comes to the conditions in the jail and treatment of our clients, many of whom are vulnerable people with mental illness, transgender and jnder non conforming people, people with young people, seniors , a lot of vulnerable people inside the jail so making sure the people are being treated with respect and dignity is not abused is so important for our city, for the office and for your work, so thank you so much and look forward to monitoring these meetings and seeing what you all are able to do and bring to light. thank you. >> thank you. there is no other public comment. moving on to line item 2. resolution making findings to

allow teleconferencing meetings under california government code section 5493e discussion and possible action. discussion and possible action to adopt resolution setting forth findings under assembly bill 361 that allow the sheriff department oversight board and any subcommittees to hold meetings remotely as specified. deputy city attorney jana clark. >> (inaudible) >> hi. so, i have my office prepared a draft resolution and the purpose of this as the secretary indicated is if there is a member of the board who for covid related reasons cannot attended the meeting ing rks they are permitted to attend remotely provided the board-this board makes the two findings on the serkd page of the draft resolution provide you find there continues to be

a state of emergency due to the covid nan pandemic and you consider the circumstances of the state of emergency and because of the covid-19 pandemic connecting meetings of the body and the committee without allowing members of the body to attend remotely would present risk to health and safety of the members due to covid-19 and directly impact the ability of the members to meet safely in person. it next section says the-if you adopt this resolution that for the next 30 days anyone-if you had a meeting and some member of the body couldn't attend because of covid in person they could attend remotely. that permit that. otherwise you have to appear in person and that basically you also-the other part of the resolution says the secretary will put this on the agenda within 30 days so you continue

to have this option if it becomes the case you can't come because you have covid or exposed to covid or caring for somebody with covid and if that happens the process is you let the secretary know that you won't be attending for covid related reasons and you don't have to get into anymore detail than that. this is the draft resolution that our office prepared that we propose that you adopt. >> thank you mrs. clark. >> i guess you would invite if anyone would like to make a motion and second and there would be a vote. >> is there a motion to adopt? >> you have to have public comment before you vote. >> sorry, thank you. for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line item 2, please line up at the podium or calling in press star 3 to raise your hand to be added to the queue.

>> i think there has to be a motion on the floor before we take public comment. you just have to take public comment before you act. it doesn't have to be on a motion on the floor. >> i thought if we didn't have something on the floor to act we wouldn't have public comment. >> if you prefer to proceed that way you can. it isn't required, but i understand what you are saying and maybe it does make it-make sense if that is how you prefer to proceed. just have to have public comment before you vote. >> right. >> it appears there is no public comment. is there a motion to adopt the resolution? board member wechter makes the motion. is there a second? >> i move we adopt the resolution as written.

>> thank you. is there a second? >> second. >> thank you mr.-board member brookter seconds. the resolution passes. >> public comment. >> public comment again? >> why don't you just because of the board members suggestion. i think that is a good one. >> members of the public who like to make public comment on 3, line up the podium or press star 3 to raise your hand to be added to the queue. there appears to be no public comment. >> i have a question. this is member carrion. >> yes, mrs. carrion. >> i want to clarify as a

absent member due to unexpected family matters, does this mean as a board member i would not be permitted to vote because i'm calling in? >> that's correct. the only condition under which a member can appear remotely is if it is for covid related reasons. >> understood. >> alright. i will take a vote on the resolution, on the motion. [roll call] >> this is for the covid policy? i vote in favor of adopting the resolution.

[roll call continued] >> we have 5 yeses so motion passes. moving to item 3, nomination is election of osers. discussion and possible action. the floor is now open for discussion. >> how do you feel about it?

there are e-mails that have come out so we can have open discussion about election. i do like what jana shared with us in terms of able to have a pro tem as we really get our feet wet and get a opportunity to spend time together and spend time with sheriff office and dpa but also happy if folks want to run from the floor to have nominations in order to continue. thoughts? >> i agree with your thoughts. >> i think i would-i'm supportive as well since we have two members absent, i think it is prude nt to hold the election over and have a pro tem. >> i think as we do that, then i will actually okay. i'm nominate myself as the pro tem for the group as we think about everybody coming together and having the rest of our colleagues come forward unless someone else wants to take on

that responsibility. >> you are welcome. >> things we sign up for. >> so, when you are done discussing and someone wants to make a motion just reminder because you are now taking an action, you should invite public comment. i know you haven't-no one-well i guess- >> i can make a formal motion. i move-it would be a conjunkative-i move that we-i'll do it at once. i move we hold over the election for officers until the next meeting where our two absent members are present and that board member-i like the term commissioner, so commissioner dj brookter be the pro

tem president. >> do you have a second? >> i could be the second. >> now you should invite public comment. >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment on line item 3, please line up at the podium or if you are calling in, press star 3 to raise your hand to be added to the queue. there appears to be no public comment. i'll take a vote for-- >> (inaudible) >> both on the motion to continue the elections. [roll call]

>> we have 5 ayes. the motion to continue is passed. passes. and on the motion to nominate board member brookter to pro tem president. [roll call]

>> 5 ayes, the motion passes. >> i want to say thank you to my colleagues. we literally just did that from the floor and this is (inaudible) i think it is pro tem but i do think just as many folks here bring the knowledge and wisdom to get us through our meetings over the next couple months or this month, so i appreciate the confidence and the vote and again we know it is pro tem position and i will do my duty and make sure i meet

with all my fellow commissioners and making the decisions to do things we need to do as a body. with that, secretary do you want to go to item number 4? >> congratulation pro tem brookter. item 4 is rules of order information and discussion. before you are the samples of the rules of order. the floor is now open for discussion. >> are we-now-we have a pro tem but is this a conversation-do we want to put the bylaws over for the next meeting? >> it is just for discussion right now. it is not agendized as action item so you couldn't adopt rules or bylaws today so more just discussion and i provided samples.

some are more involved, some are less involved and i thought it would be a good idea for people to get a sense how a meeting works before deciding whether you want more involved or less involved rules of order. >> absolutely. so, we got a opportunity to receive documents from counsel in terms of how we conduct and the orders in which we conduct business here from counsel. is there any discussion or conversations or thoughts that colleagues have on what we received? >> (inaudible) police commission rules of order i looked at rules of order for several other city commissioners, not the fire department but the ethics, entertainment, one or two others and also looked at the rules of order for other oversight entities around the country and sent a

draft around to people i know in the oversight field who had served on boards to get their input, so i made some i think miner changes because mrs. clark indicated which conflict with city law. primarily designed to make it more collaborative rather then putting too much authority in one person's hands. i feel as a few board it would be good to as much as possible share our varied backgrounds and expertise and have a opportunity to bring item 4th for discussion on the agenda rather then perhaps one person having significant authority over that. i know a former police commissioner told me that there was a point where the chair president of the police commission routinely kept the items off the agenda which prevented them being heard so like to avoid something like that because i'm a strong believer in

inclusiveness and everyone's voices heard. we have a lot of different opinions and will hear from different communities and think we want to bring all that into our discussion. i know mrs. leungsent it out. i don't think it is in the packet because one version had the city attorney comments and changes. i printed it out without those, but i think those should be considered. >> thank you commissioner wechter. absolutely. that makes total sense. as a new body and as we formulate and look how we conduct business i think being collaborative and really working across each of our talents and each of our strengths is going to be making a really strong commission and insuring we are doing what it is we are supposed to do. any other colleagues have comments? >> as a practical matter it generally is good to have a key person to actually vet

through things and as i understand based on past bylaws it would be a collaborative approach between the inspector general as well as the president or vice president, so i think all commissioners are welcome to submit things and i think if we see any pattern where someone is left out i think that is something to be brought up in the public. i don't see a problem of actually excluding items, but just as a practical matter and for the commission secretary to be able to efficiently work it really should be channeled through the inspector general as well as the president. >> thank you for that commissioner soo. any other commissioners, any other comments? discussion? i think with that, since- >> sorry, i want to add. i do think it is important

to kind of like make sure we have more inclusive voices and leverage the different strengths of the members and also understand julie's point about practicality. i worry about what jason was saying making sure agenda items are not pushed so if there is a way we can make a compromise and maybe-president can have the final say but like i it would be nice if we can make sure that we include the agenda items the rest of the board feels is important. >> i say the way my past commission and commissioner brookter you also sat on prior commissions, often timeatize is the commissioners who raise a particular item towards the end of the meeting for

future items to be agendized so that is something that is open to the public, so i think that's where we get the community input and oversight and so i think it would be pretty transparent if somebody's agenda item is left off and if it is consistent. >> absolutely. also taking the fact we meet monthly gives that opportunity. sometimes for more robust agenda to make sure everybody's items are on the agenda as we continue to move forward. okay. is there any other discussion there on the bylaw section? >> i can snd the specific addition but they have appointments to commissions done in consultation between the president and vice president and that if the president removes someone from a committee over that member's objections the president shall state the reason for

removing the member and again that goes towards transparency which we talked a lot about transparency in the sheriff department and law enforcement. i think we have to impose the level of transparency on our operation so we are very open to the public and accountable. >> absolutely. absolutely. anymore discussion there? seeing none, open up for public comment. >> members of the public who like to make public comment on item 4, please line up at the podium or press star 3 to raise your hand to be added to the queue. it appears there is no public comment. >> okay, go to item number 5. >> line item 5. recruitment of inspector general.

discussion. deputy city attorney jana clark. >> i just thought it is good idea to share my experience and i think couple mentioned you had been on boards or commissions so that is for discussion but just what i have seen in the past and and thought it worked well is that the someone fwraum from the department of human resources comes in and makes a presentation. the last experience i had the hiring of juvenile probation chief. department of human resources came to the body and explained what they could do for the body in terms of recruitment and screening and things like that, and so what they did was worked with the body to come up with a job announcement at a public meeting. that can all happen at a public meeting

and then basically members weighed in on what they wanted the job announcement to look like and then dhr went back and drafted the job announcement based on what the members suggested and i want to say dhr brought samples of prior searches for comparable positions to give a idea, suggestions for how to proceed, and then based on the members comments or commissioners comments, drafted a job announcement and then brought it back to the body to adopt and then they also shared how they could help to based on minimum qualifications identified in the job announcement how they make the initial screen for people who did or didn't meet the minimum qualifications and the next step of the process is again working with-this is how it worked before, working with dhr. they made

arrangements for interviews of those who had made the minimum qualification before the body and there may have been one step in the middle where they met the minimum qualifications and widdled it down. once you are actually looking at applicants, those sessions are generally held in closed session. it could be open session too, but the reason for doing that is because someone might be in a job. we all applied for jobs when we had a job and didn't want the former job to know we are looking for a job so that is one reason it tends to work in their experience this was their advice to hold those meetings where you are considering applicants, real live bodies to do the screening and interviews in closed session. and then once those interviews happened then the body meets and in my past experience and they

selected the person to fill that position and i think that is how it also worked with the police commission but i had less experience with that. my suggestion would be at the outset at the next meeting to invite dhr to come and share with the body what they have done in the past for different-i think they have done it differently. i think there are also some entities that have some bodies that have public bodies that have hired a recruiting firm to do part of it job and whether or not that is in your budget not sure. i think it is good idea for them to be inviting to come to a meeting and share what they have done in the past and what works and doesn't work based on their experience because they are the experts in the city. i know member wechter also shared some job announcements. anyway, that would be my suggestion. but it is up to this body how you

decide to proceed, but those are our suggestions. >> thank you city attorney clark. any discussion there colleagues in regards- >> i think i had a point of clarification. i understood that when this body was formed in the contmplation of a officer of inspector general that civil service may have come up with a description and a potential salary for the position? >> i dont think so, but i can check and let you know. >> okay. >> if there is, we love to get that information. if it could be passed along to us. >> director henderson told me the salary has been set for classification 0961 which is department head for small department head and the range is $153 thousand to 2 (inaudible) the chart shows that is below the comparable position in the san francisco

bay area. this is-i have a lot of experience working with oversight practitioners around the country. this position is unlike any other position in the city and county of san francisco. it is a newly created position that create a department from scratch that will be doing oversight of a body that not had civilian oversight before. i think we should as mrs. clark said, go to the professionals, invite the recruitment firms that have done this in the past. there are two that recently completed recruitment, one for city berkeley and one for sonoma county. it is bob murray associates and the other is escaping my mind, but they v have a lot of experience in the field. they have done it for comparable positions around the country so they know the very specific qualifications required to do the job of establishing a department, investigate complaints against members of the sheriff department who's primarily

responsible is custodial and two, conduct audits of that department and those are somewhat different skillsets so you want someone who can do it all and has the background and experience to set this up from the very beginning. it is not a position for someone to learn how to do it, you need someone who is really skilled to get it right the first time because as i alluded to earlier, i saw it done very badly once and it tooks years if not decades for the agencies to recover from it. and other agencies one in chicago that was abolished and had to start all over again. i think everyone involved in this wants the entity to succeed, wants it fairly and effectively so that is why i advocate a outside consulting firm and how to get the salary raised for comparable positions to attract the necessary talent and not sure who sets those positions,

but i think they should establish a separate job classification not based on department size because again i think inspector general is a very very different type of position then the existing department heads we have in the city. >> agreed. thank you member wechter and i think i heard is having the conversation with dhr. that would be who we would have the conversation with. thank you for that and also thank you deputy city attorney clark for that advice and counsel. anything from colleagues? >> i just had a quick question for city attorney clark. how long did that recruitment process take? >> sorry--am i on? okay. i want to say that it was a pretty accelerated process. trying to remember back. the former chief left the

end of november and want to say they were interviewing in december and january and the person was on-board shortly thereafter. the person they ended up selecting was already a city employee so may have gone quicker because of that but someone with the dist rth district attorney office who came as the chief probation officer. dont think it was more then 3 months. the end of november is when the former chief resigned and the new chief came on-board and like weeks later covid hit and covid was the first week of march. that is why i'm pretty sure it was two months, so yeah--but what i recommend is if you-i do think it is a good idea to hear from dhr and the secretary could invite representatives from that department to the next meeting and they could tell you a lot more about the process. because i want part of hiring outside firm, i know it is something done, just don't know any details

of that if that is faster or slower, i don't know. >> it is roughly like two months, maybe quicker if it was-because of the pandemic? >> that was my experience in the past. >> just a point of clarification, dpa will be like the interim to help with investigative cases until we find our inspector? >> in terms of what happens investigating complaints against or that relate to the sheriff department or investigating the sheriff department, now that is the sheriff responsibility and the sheriff has chosen to enter into mou with dpa to handle the investigations for the sheriff department but that is between the sheriff and dpa and that is not-they are not-i guess effectively they are doing the job of the inspector general now, but it is by

arrangement the sheriff made mose arrangements. the sheriff could terminate the mou and continue to handle things as they have done decades in-house if he chose to do that. >> okay, thank you. >> until the inspector general is up and running. >> member soo. >> more recently we had a couple years now that we had new executive director for the department on the status of women so we went to the department of human resources and they gave us training. we had to go through certified training what kind of questions you ask during the interview process and also sign a statement of non disclosure and i don't like to go on heresay so don't want to put you on the spot director henderson but rather not say what i think you told me in the past and rather you be able to answer directly. first of all, i want to thank you for everything you have done. all the extra hours to get us going. i think

your staff has been over-looked and you are over-looked so i want to publicly thank you for everything you have done. i understand you may have candidates that are already available who have been vetted by dpa and i say that because these national search firms can be quite expensive. we had consultants before and sometimes you don't end up turning up anybody so i think if we have available candidates i think it is prudent to go through them first before pulling the trigger on a national search firm that could be very expensive. i don'ts think we have the budget right now. >> absolutely. that has been discussion and conversation that we definitely have been having and see member wechter. >> for the stated reasons with all due respect i think that is a bad path to go down. i think we want to advertise

widely. i don't think we want to accept candidates how one person knows. i think it should be openly advertised and all candidates should be able to apply and take the time to do this carefully and i looked at the budget and think we have a good deal of money in the budget but berkeley found the money to do this, sonoma county found the money to do this, i think it was a worthwhile investment and i think a lot of experts in the field will tell you that. when you-i have a letter here (inaudible) who worked at oversight agencies including department of police accountability-dont know if (inaudible) don't know when letters come through e-mail, but it argues very forcefully to do a nation wide professionally managed recruitment and if you like i can read it into the record, which- >> i like to hear from

director henderson first what candidates may be in the offering first. if we do open it up anyway i think the candidate said would probably reapply possibly. director henderson-sorry to put you on the spot. >> i was going to say depy city attorney clark, because it isn't necessarily on the agenda. it is to have discussion, but is this something that we should garner more information who the candidates are sent to us currently and also receiving information that member wechter has i think would be good for us as a body to have so we can make a more totality conversation and discussion how to move forward. >> so, what is on the agenda is recruitment of inspector general, so my understanding is you are discussing ways you would recruit an inspector general and i offered one suggestion, which is to bring in dhr to explain how they handled recruitment for another

commission in the past, so i think if-it is up to you at this point. if you want to hear from anyone about how their suggestions for how to recruit an inspector general, that is on the agenda, you can do that. ultimately it is up to this body what process you decide to adopt and who you ultimately choose. it would be up to the body. but i'm sure that the process i'm sure will-sure dhr will advise and i probably will afterwards too, you have to advertise it and give anyone who meets the minimum qualifications the same opportunity basically. >> absolutely. colleagues how do you feel? if we receive information who the candidates are and the information that member wechter has?

>> not necessarily specific candidates but the criteria of people who come through dpa. >> okay. if paul is okay with presenting that information. if you have it readily available. >> the information i had was just groups of folks that i have talked to that are interested in the position i think would do well in the position but i echo the same thing that your legal counsel advertised, it is this body choice how they want to proceed. the issue i was raising when i spoke with all you individually and never given the names of who the folks remember and wont do that now either because i think those folks want to apply on their own to be considered fairly and whatever packet or package way however you want to proceed. from my perspective

the issue was and i think we just heard very clearly from mrs. clark is dpa is going to continue in the meantime as long as we have the permission authority from the sheriff office and that continues to do the investigations. the issue that i would raise that i dont know you guys discussed yet is what the time hp line would be until you have your staff where your questions that gets answered, your inquiries, reports, analysis kind of stuff but i think many of you had interest in how and when that gets done is also contingent on when the staff is hired to be brought in so what you should be also having a conversation about in my humble opinion is what kind of process is going to be most efficient in order to get to whatever goal you guys are going to get to. that said, the folks i know that are interested are likely

to remain interested and i'm happy to follow whatever direction and rules or standards you want to follow to be as helpful as i can. >> thank you for that. member wechter. >> director henderson, since you are here, could you clarify the issue about the hiring of a chief position for the office of inspector general that you discussed with me a couple weeks ago? >> it is also-hiring-when you say the chief, do you mean the chief of staff at the office of inspector general or the inspector general? >> no, director henderson described it as a cross between mrs. hawkins position, chief of staff and the chief of investigations positions at the department of police accountability,

correct? you said that person had been hired. the mayor had their name. the job had not been advertise #d so i would like to know and the board should want to know and community as well, has someone been hired as a staff member for the office of inspector general other then mr. leung? >> that is not on the agenda, so-but--why don't we talk off-line about that? i'll e-mail you tomorrow about that okay? >> okay. >> i'm not aware anyone besides-not aware of anyone being hired to assist this body besides the secretary. i can say that. >> same, but if that is so, we absolutely want to know who the individual is and receive the information on it. >> i would like to make a motion. >> to?

>> it isn't a action item. >> any other discussion as it pertains to recruitment? >> if we could adhere to the agenda and also talk about when we hire the inspector general maybe particular criteria or-i dont know if is premature totalk about the staffing we need? >> like structure? >> the number of people, but think before that-i dont think the sheriff department has a adequate it system so that-the reporting we want. i dont know if we are putting the cart before the horse and like to discuss the it system and having the budget for that, because if it takes more man hours because we don't have a it system-i'm familiar with the police department and they are upgrading now and they are i think-maybe you are not at the

mulineal yet. sorry. >> something we can agendize in the future. >> that is what i recommend is suggest that for future agenda item. >> great point. great point. any other discussion in terms of recruitment of inspector general? >> mrs. clark, what would we need to do to have bob murray associate and buyers group make presentation at the next meeting when someone from hr does as well? >> i think you just put it on the agenda and invite them. >> okay. >> and it is just informational at that point. >> i just wanted to add for the recruitment process, if maybe it is helpful to work towards a deadline when we want to have this inspector general hired by? >> i think that is something obviously brought up. i get weary of timelines. i

want to have a conversation with dhr understanding the city process and changing requisitions and just the hiring practice sometimes can be lengthy and with laborious so if we hear from them and put dates and action lines and timelines and milestones in there would be best. >> question. who would we talk to about getting the salary raised and classification from o961? >> i can look into that and e-mail you if i can get that information. my guess it comes from dhr. >> thank you. i want to say the comparable positions has taken several months and this is established practice, it isn't something that i think can or should be rushed. i don't think the community would want to rush this, i think they want input and see us do it properly according to established practice. i understand we are

delayed, but hiring the inspector general is probably the single most important decision this board will make. the one thing we have very significant authority over and these people tend to stay in those position a long time and if you dont hire the right person you are in a very poor foundation and that can doom the success of the agency and doesn't serve the city or community and just spending a million and a half or $2 million dollar and not getting very much return. >> absolutely. concur. we want to do due diligence and also making sure we have timelines and milestones so we hold ourselves accountability and hold other folks and departments accountability to reach the dates and deadlains. >> based on experience it could be between 3 months and 6 monthsed. we review the it

system and what is practical going forward to getting the reports we want. >> absolutely. i think we can all look at our own process in terms of getting here so we know things can take time. anymore discussion from colleagues? okay, seeing none, we'll open up to public comment. >> members of the public who like to make public comment on line item 5, please line up to the podium or if calling in press star 3 to raise your hand and be added to the queue. >> tracey (inaudible) again. so, my understanding of the position is they are already in the budget and that budget was approve d by the mayor's office so any negotiations about the budget or the salaries would have to be directly with the mayor's office. it could not be with i don't think with director henderson, but city attorney can answer that

question for you. there is a budget that was past. there were cuts this year in the budget because we didn't have the oversight committee started and so there were savings and so hopefully next year you all are fighting for that to come back into the budget. hopefully next year in the budget process you are advocating for these positions to be different classifications, higher salaries, whatever the case may be, but for right now i would say and city attorney can let me know-let you all know what that process is, is to talk to dhr. they will only follow what is in the mayoral budget. >> thank you for that. i think deputy attorney clark it is great if we can get the section within the budget to speak to these positions so we have it and armed with it as we have these discussions in and conversations. any other public comment?

>> no. >> let's go to item number 6. >> line item 6, future agenda items and scheduling regular meeting. discussion. >> i'm used to reading the whole thing in. do we normally do that? >> i understand the description to be like items to be considered for future agenda items but don't think that you are necessarily limited by that list. >> no worries. not that we were but usually is read in. let's go with a future agenda items and scheduling of regular meetings. i think what i hear from colleagues is we absolutely at our next meeting we have want to have dhr come out and begin to have discussion with us on hiring and requisitions as well as able to see funding. members that have other future

agenda items they would like to see on the agenda? member wechter. >> i read about staffing issue at the sheriff department and that is something we learned about when we did our tours of the jails so i wonder if we can get a report on staffing how it is changed over last 5 years and how staffing is allocated to the different facilities, because it seems that is a very potent issue in the public mind and i think-concern that son or daughter does not have access to any educational programs and that is something in the press. also there was a television report, a interview with someone in the jail charged with murder who made statements about the crime so curious what the media policy is for gaining entry to the jail?

particularly since i think the mission local article said you to limit or cut down visits because staffing issues, deputies not available to escort visitors so i like to know about that because that is also been in the news. >> absolutely. what i hear is sheriff department and staffing and think it is good to get with dan or chief to make sure the presentation reflects some of the points we have. i found in some meetings they can be very long and robust and not get to the information the body is requesting so it would behoove all of us to work together what we presented to the body to make sure when folks are reporting they report on what we are asking. any other colleagues fuch r agenda items? >> i have another. >> my apology. >> are director henderson gave figures statics in the welcome

packet but his office told me the sheriff department maintains ownership of the statist ics about the work they've done, so i would be interested in seeing statistics getting a sense of the number of complaints, how they are categorized, how they have been disposed of, all the things mentioned in the letter of agreement that would be provided on a monthly and yearly basis to give us a sense of what the nature of the number of complaints are. might be useful to get some record of lawsuits against the sheriff department which there is a settlement or judgment. get a sense what they are. working for city oakland i know most of their claims against the police department involve vehicle collisions, which the way many people drive today are probably somewhat unavoidable. get a sense what is comparable in the sheriff

department. >> absolutely. also presentation from dpa on the statistics. >> i think i would- >> sheriff department. >> so, the way it would work is you ask the sheriff department for that information and the sheriff department can ask those they charged with-they provide it or can provide it themselves. >> okay. >> i just wanted to have a request as we make the requests for the reports that the numbers be disaggregated and sometimes percentages can be very misleading so also nice to have raw numbers. if we only had two complaints and there was one sustained that is 50 percent which looks high, but we only had two complaints so i want to make sure we have the raw numbers to consider. >> absolutely. i think we heard earlier chief of staff hawkins received 8

files turned into 30 files so make sure we have the raw numbers and aggregates. >> some agencies report number of complains against individual officers and also number of complains generated by a specific individual because my years at dpa we had certain people who generate a complaint any time they had interaction with a police officer, so that could artificially elevate the numbers and if you didn't know that you might have a more negative opinion about the police activity in the dist rth station or unit, so having the context i think is very important. >> absolutely. look forward working with the sheriff department around those presentations to make sure we gather and get the information and raw data the body definitely wants to see so i appreciate that. anything else from colleagues in terms of future agenda items we like to see ? >> i don't know if there is a particular triage system, but the severity of the complaints so those that come to

us more immediately and those that are not so immediate. for instance, someone in custody who has immediate needs then we-and they haven't been able to get them we should know about it and be able to advice and make recommendations. >> absolutely. how about scheduling regular meetings? now we are on par and on track for the 4th monday? >> i think that we got notice from sfgovtv is we want it to be televised they don't have the staff to accommodate on the 4th monday of the month so i dont know if mr. leung has alternative dates where staff might be available. >> i'm still working on those dates. they have a lot of day time slots available. i don't

think our charter says it has to be televised live. the legislation says it can be recorded and so we can continue to have monday at 5:30 if you like and it would be recorded for the public. >> okay. what i hear from now, we are okay with the 4th monday of the month. >> i guess i want to clarification, was it they can record us on tv to show later? i know some commissioners are only audio recorded. >> it is audio recorded. >> audio only then? >> yes. >> okay. i don't know if that is okay with everyone to clar ify it is just audio. >> thank you for that. do we have public comment? >> hello. joanna

hernandez. i want to see if we can discuss language access. when you try to follow a complaint now on the san francisco department website everything is in english and the complaint forms are english. i feel it is very important we provide access to our communities to be able to do that. also, the complaint process not just on the undeputized staff but civilian staff when it comes to subcontractors. some don't have the best relationship and i would say that with 8420 and program rehabilitation coordinators supposedly the community liaisons. i think is imperative we look at that relationship and how people are being treated when they try to provide a service inside san francisco county jail. thank you. >> thank you for that. i think absolutely. we should ajndize at a afuture meeting to make sure we have information and

presentation on language access and how folks that english isn't their first language. >> i was going to say that i worked on equal access service ordinance in 1998 or 99, so it is law that we provide language services and to the extent that people need language interpretation during the meetings or translated materials we should also have it at our meetings as well. >> absolutely. all our materials. agreed. thank you for that. any other public comment? >> for members of the public who like to make public comment you may line up at the podium or you can call-press star 3 to raise your hand to be added to the queue. it appears there is no other public comment. >> you want to go to item number 7?

>> hello. this is (inaudible) been trying to make a comment. i believe other people have been trying to make comments as well but it is a little difficult to be able to be called at the time we want to make comment. maybe something to look into for the next meeting. my comment was i think raised my hand a couple times during the recruitment of inspector general. withed it be preoperative to make that comment just for the record? >> yes, that's fine. >> okay, great. i think one thing that i heard during the conversation which i want to make very clear from my understanding of the events that have happened in the development and now the implementation of this commission is that the people voted this-for the commission a long time ago and grateful to the people doing the work to

get this. i'm grateful for the fact there has been efforts in trying to see and people who are interested in the inspector general position and dpa-thank you (inaudible) leading that in doing the kind of ground work because the roles and responsibilities have been available as voted by the people, right? so i think it is important to recognize that work. not as something nefarious like trying to choose my person or this that, but it is literally information the people have wanted for a long time so grateful we already have potential candidates and i look forward to our city attorney indicated going through the process as director henderson affirmed following the process of the board and

what the board sets out so i want to make sure for the record we make it very clear that isn't what is happening here. we have this process in place now excited to be part of it and it will continue to be transapparent transparent and the board will be able to make inquiries and decisions with guidance from our city attorney so thank you so much. >> thank you mrs. carrion. >> thank you member carrion. go to item 7. >> line item 7, general public comment. at this time the public is welcome to address the board up to 2 minutes on items that did not appear on tonight's agenda but within the subject matter jurisdiction of the sheriff department oversight board. during public comment noorth sheriff nor dpa personnel nor board members are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief

response. as remindser general public comment is for items that did not appear on tonight's agenda. for those present you may line up at the podium. those not present call 415-695-0001 and enter access code 24946096511, press star to raise your hand to be added to the queue. there is no one in the room for public comment. i believe there is one raised hand. thank you caller. you have two minutes. thank you caller, you have two minutes. >> hi. i'm a news reporter (inaudible) i was

hoping the meetings moving forward will be televised live and hope you can find a different time the meeting can be held so the press can cover these meetings and be able to present for them live. thank you. >> thank you. any other public like to make comment on any agenda item on tonight's agenda due to technical difficulties you may speak now or raise your hand to be added to the queue.

there appears to be no public comment. >> we just want to say this was the first meeting tonight so we'll get technical difficulties and glitchs handled and fixed to make sure we continue to hear from members of the public as we are a body here to hear from members of the public. thank you to those who did call in and showed up in person. we'll move to item number 8. >> item line item 8, adjournment. action item. >> colleagues can i get a motion to adjourn? >> motion to adjourn and thank you for running a very expeditious meeting. >> second? >> properly moved and second. i think can we take it all as one? all those in favor of adjourning today's meeting say aye. any opposers, nay? the ayes have it, we are

officially adjourned at 738 p.m. [meeting adjourned]

hi, sandy, how are you? >> hi, fine, thank you. how are you? >> good. i want to ask you what inspired you to be a paramedic? >> that's a good question. you know, i wanted to go into med school and after i found out how much time it took and all of that, i decided that that was going to be a little too much schooling, but i still wanted to figure out a way that i could provide medical care and doing that as an emt as well as a paramedic was a way to do that. >> can you give me a break down of a typical day for you? >> i come to work and sit at my desk and then i respond to e-mails and try to figure out what are some of the issues we need to address. can we hire more people. what kinds of policies we want to try to create that will help us do our job as ems.

>> what does it take to be a female paramedic? >> you know, it takes quite a bit of schooling, but also required somebody who's empathetic. it can be a very stressful job and so we want people to be able to hand that on a day-to-day basis. >> so what's your greatest satisfaction in your job? >> trying to make sure that the work that we provide and the services that we provide to the community is the best that we can in ems so that when we go out to see you if you call us for an emergency, that we'll be able to treat you in the best way possible and that you get the care as quickly and as effectively as possible. >> why is it important for young girls, women of color to see women in these roles? >> i think it really is important for us to be able to get into these roles because we are effective, we are able to reach out to the community. we are able to do the job in a very effective manner and to be able to relate to the community and be able to do that is one of the best things that we can

do. and people of color and as women of color, you know, we are in a great position to be able to do that. >> this is one place you can always count on to give you what you had before and remind you of what your san francisco history used to be. >> we hear that all the time, people bring their kids here and their grandparents brought them here and down the line.

>> even though people move away, whenever they come back to the city, they make it here. and they tell us that. >> you're going to get something made fresh, made by hand and made with quality products and something that's very, very good. ♪♪ >> the legacy bars and restaurants was something that was begun by san francisco simply to recognize and draw attention to the establishments. it really provides for san francisco's unique character. ♪♪ >> and that morphed into a request that we work with the city to develop a legacy business registration. >> i'm michael cirocco and the owner of an area bakery. ♪♪

the bakery started in 191. my grandfather came over from italy and opened it up then. it is a small operation. it's not big. so everything is kind of quality that way. so i see every piece and cut every piece that comes in and out of that oven. >> i'm leslie cirocco-mitchell, a fourth generation baker here with my family. ♪♪ so we get up pretty early in the morning. i usually start baking around 5:00. and then you just start doing rounds of dough. loaves. >> my mom and sister basically handle the front and then i have my nephew james helps and then my two daughters and my wife come in and we actually do the baking. after that, my mom and my sister stay and sell the product, retail it.

♪♪ you know, i don't really think about it. but then when i -- sometimes when i go places and i look and see places put up, oh this is our 50th anniversary and everything and we've been over 100 and that is when it kind of hits me. you know, that geez, we've been here a long time. [applause] ♪♪ >> a lot of people might ask why our legacy business is important. we all have our own stories to tell about our ancestry. our lineage and i'll use one example of tommy's joint. tommy's joint is a place that my husband went to as a child and he's a fourth generation san franciscan. it's a place we can still go to today with our children or grandchildren and share the stories of what was san francisco like back in the 1950s.

>> i'm the general manager at tommy's joint. people mostly recognize tommy's joint for its murals on the outside of the building. very bright blue. you drive down and see what it is. they know the building. tommy's is a san francisco hoffa, which is a german-style presenting food. we have five different carved meats and we carve it by hand at the station. you prefer it to be carved whether you like your brisket fatty or want it lean. you want your pastrami to be very lean. you can say i want that piece of corn beef and want it cut, you know, very thick and i want it with some sauerkraut. tell the guys how you want to prepare it and they will do it

right in front of you. san francisco's a place that's changing restaurants, except for tommy's joint. tommy's joint has been the same since it opened and that is important. san francisco in general that we don't lose a grip of what san francisco's came from. tommy's is a place that you'll always recognize whenever you lock in the door. you'll see the same staff, the same bartender and have the same meal and that is great. that's important. ♪♪ >> the service that san francisco heritage offers to the legacy businesses is to help them with that application process, to make sure that they really recognize about them what it is that makes them so

special here in san francisco. ♪♪ so we'll help them with that application process if, in fact, the board of supervisors does recognize them as a legacy business, then that does entitle them to certain financial benefits from the city of san francisco. but i say really, more importantly, it really brings them public recognition that this is a business in san francisco that has history and that is unique to san francisco. >> it started in june of 1953. ♪♪ and we make everything from scratch. everything. we started a you -- we started a off with 12 flavors and

mango fruits from the philippines and then started trying them one by one and the family had a whole new clientele. the business really boomed after that. >> i think that the flavors we make reflect the diversity of san francisco. we were really surprised about the legacy project but we were thrilled to be a part of it. businesses come and go in the city. pretty tough for businesss to stay here because it is so expensive and there's so much competition. so for us who have been here all these years and still be popular and to be recognized by the city has been really a huge honor. >> we got a phone call from a woman who was 91 and she wanted to know if the mitchells still owned it and she was so happy

that we were still involved, still the owners. she was our customer in 1953. and she still comes in. but she was just making sure that we were still around and it just makes us feel, you know, very proud that we're carrying on our father's legacy. and that we mean so much to so many people. ♪♪ >> it provides a perspective. and i think if you only looked at it in the here and now, you're missing the context. for me, legacy businesses, legacy bars and restaurants are really about setting the context for how we come to be where we are today. >> i just think it's part of san francisco. people like to see familiar stuff. at least i know i do. >> in the 1950s, you could see a picture of tommy's joint and looks exactly the same. we haven't change add thing. >> i remember one lady saying, you know, i've been eating this

ice cream since before i was born. and i thought, wow! we have, too. ♪♪.

>> i just feel like this is what i was born to do when i was a little kid i would make up performances and daydream it was always performing and doing something i feel if i can't do that than i can't be me. >> i just get excited and my nickname is x usher my mom calls me i stuck out like a sore thumb for sure hey everybody i'm susan kitten on the keys from there, i working in vintage

clothing and chris in the 30's and fosz and aesthetic. >> i think part of the what i did i could have put on my poa he focus on a lot of different musical eras. >> shirley temple is created as ahsha safai the nation with happens and light heartenness shirley temple my biggest influence i love david boo and el john and may i west coast their flamboyant and show people (singing) can't be unhappy as a dr. murase and it is so fun it is a joyful instrument i learned more about

music by playing the piano it was interesting the way i was brought up the youth taught me about music he picked up the a correspond that was so hard my first performing experience happened as 3-year-old an age i did executive services and also thanks to the lord and sank in youth groups people will be powering grave over their turk i'll be playing better and better back la i worked as places where men make more money than me i was in bands i was treated as other the next thing i know i'm in grants performing for a huge protection with a few of my friends berry elect and new berry elect and can be ray

was then and we kept getting invited back you are shows got better we made it to paris in 2005 a famous arc we ended up getting a months residencey other than an island and he came to our show and started writing a script based on our troop of 6 american burr elect performs in france we were woman of all this angels and shapes and sizes and it was very exciting to be part of the a few lettering elect scene at the time he here he was bay area born and breed braces and with glossaries all of a sudden walking 9 red carpet in i

walgreens pedestrian care. >> land for best director that was backpack in 2010 the french love this music i come back here and because of film was not released in the united states nobody gave a rats ass let's say the music and berry elect and performing doesn't pay very much i definitely feel into a huge depression especially, when it ended i didn't feel kemgd to france anymore he definitely didn't feel connected to the scene i almost feel like i have to beg for tips i hey i'm from the bay area and an artist you don't make a living it changed my represent tar to appeal and the folks that are

coming into the wars these days people are not listening they love the idea of having a live musician but don't really nurture it like having a potted plant if you don't warrant it it dizzy sort of feel like a potted plant (laughter) i'm going to give san francisco one more year i've been here since 1981 born and raised in the bay area i know that is not for me i'll keep on trying and if the struggle becomes too hard i'll have to move on i don't know where that will be but i love here so so much i used to dab he will in substances i don't do that i'm sober and part of the being is an and sober and happy to be able to play music

and perform and express myself if i make. >> few people happy of all ages i've gone my job so i have so stay is an i feel like the piano and music in general with my voice together i feel really powerful and strong >> my name is sylvia and i'm the owner of the mexican bistro. we have been in business for 18 years and we first opened on garry street in san francisco, and now we are located in a beautiful historic building.

and we are part of the historical building founded in 1776. at the same time as the mission delores in san francisco. (♪♪) our specialty food is food from central mexico. it's a high-end mexican food based on quality and fresh ingredients. we have an amazing chef from yucatán and we specialize on molotov, that are made with pumpkin seeds. and we're also known for handmade tortillas and we make our own fresh salsa. and we have cocktails, and we have many in the bar. we have specialty drinks and they are very flavorrable and

very authentic. some of them are spicy, some are sour, but, again, we offer high-quality ingredients on our drinks as well. (♪♪) we have been in san francisco for 27 years, and our hearts are here. we are from mexico, but after 27 years, we feel part of the community of san francisco. it is very important for us to be the change, the positive change that is happening in san francisco. the presidio in particular, they're doing great efforts to bring back san francisco, what it was. a lot of tourism and a lot of new restaurants and the new companies. san francisco is international and has a lot of potential. (♪♪) so you want to try authentic

mexican food and i invite you to come to our bistro located on 50 moroo avenue in presidio. and i'll wait here with my open arms and giving you a welcome to try my food. (♪♪) >> welcome. i'm cheryl davis the director of the san francisco human rights commission and i like to