>> we do have a way to offer a contract for this role. the department does have the ability to select a candidate on a temporary basis for example. you could -- you could identify an interim appointment where you would basically say to a candidate, we would like you to come and take this role on on a temporary basis for the next six months and we'll see where we are. so, that's a possibility. i don't think there's a straightforward way to enter into a contract for the role, though, so i don't think there's a straightforward way to do that. >> okay. i was thinking if someone were retired who might want to engage in that role and

given that right now i don't think our it system for the sheriff's department is up to par, so we would have to have someone who maybe had experience considering it systems that would facilitate the work and also consider personnel within the inspector general's office, so that's why i was considering possible alternatives. >> i'm happy to look into it a bit more. i do think the option you do have in front of you would be in the case of a retiree to really collectively ask that retiree to serve in this role for a limited duration. all department heads serve at the will of their appointing officer including an interim appointee for example. but i'm happy to take that question and if i can come back to you with a different answer,

i'll let you know. >> thank you. >> >> from wetchter's statement -- thank you for coming out and presenting. you're our first presenter. >> thank you. >> so i just want to share i heard member carrion, at least for me share information on how much analyst would cost and when we think about budget and i'm hear from my colleagues, just really being able to refine and look at that scope of work. within an rfp, i do it all the time and the scope of work will ensure we get -- really looking for that right inspector general and make sure we have the resources and tools to do so is what i'm hearing from my colleagues. i just wanted to reiterate that. >> there are two different firms that recently did recruitments in berkeley and sonoma. i don't know whether either of them are

qualified for the city but i think the materials i provided had the announcement for berkeley, so firms have gone through this process recently and i assume are very familiar with the process and with the field and presumably could move fairly quickly because they would not have that much of a learning curve. >> i can share with you the firms that are in our pool include bob murray and associates, cps hr, esl, hawkins, the hawkins firm and ralph anderson. >> what was the second one after bob -- >> cpshr. >> cpshr? >> that's right. >> we received from those five firms any of their, i guess,

qualifications or resumes so when it comes to oversight boards and if they've had experience? >> yes. >> and then i think president wetchter, i wanted to note and this comes from the nakel conference and i spoke with someone from the inspector's general office from wisconsin and it's expensive but there's a high cost-of-living and i was told they used a recruiting firm and after the large ex pen tour they came up with 20 candidates, however whshgs the madison hr department went through it, it was whittled down to five, so i don't know if we would do better than that with hr itself, so i just wanted to put that out there to my colleagues.

>> was there any discussion on the issue or do we take public comment first, mr. young? >> it's up to you when you take public comment except that you have to take public comment before you take any action or vote to take any action. >> okay. any additional discussion about the item, about opinions of the various alternatives? >> well, i think one of my, as i have noted, it would be interesting to do a little bit of number crunching and figure out from the five currently qualified firms if they are -- some of the ones you have suggested or not, what the experience is but we want to identify our deadlines with our inspector general. i'm concerned this commission has been delayed

for a significant amount of time, that doesn't mean that we should rush the process of course because we want to get the pest qualified person, so i would like us to kind of really be thoughtful about some of the it issues and the actual, like, practical part of getting somebody on the ground to start doing this work. >> um, question. with the approvals, could we ask them for a timeline for each stage of the process? >> yes. >> okay. >> maybe i can add something else that's helpful. you could ask me today, kate, will you please have dhr get proposals for these firms and we want to know timeline, we want to know about their experience of oversight boards, we want to

know cost? and then while that's happening in the background, i think your question, commissioner carrion, regarding what would it cost for dhr to conduct recruitment and what our timing would look like and i can bring the information back at the same time and you would have more complete information about how you wish to go forward, requesting information or requesting many proposals from our pre qualified pool doesn't commit the commission to working with one of them but it gives information about what your choices are and which firms are willing to work with you and what is a good fit. the other piece i would mention, some departments find that owe it happen recentry but it happened in the past, they don't wish to work with any dhr qualified firms and the challenge is you would have to run your own solicitation for an

executive recruiter and that seems maybe a bit challenging for the department, given its staffing levels at the moment but of course, that's always an option. >> how much detail could we expect from each of these firms about how we go about the recruitment? and how they would seek out applicants and how they would advertise it so we get their understanding of the field and how large of a net they are going to cast and how to fine that net is going to be? >> typically, the proposals ranges from eight to ten pages for each of them. they include a detailed description of their approach to the work. they typically talk about their networks and recruitment strategies within a particular field. they will talk about timeline. they will talk about pricing and talk to you about the team that they would have

assigned to the project. when we request responses on your behalf, we can ask them to be sure to provide additional detail about strategies that they would use or that they have used for recruiting, for oversight bodies, if that's helpful. >> would they be looking to us to provide details about the knowledge, skills and abilities that would go into the job description or would they make suggestion on their prior experience in the field? >> it will probably be a combination of both. they would want to speak with you about what you think the key, knowledge and skills are and what the priorities of the commission are over the coming years, three years, so that a candidate has an idea of what the role is. they will typically

review any materials regarding the responsibilities as a department and incorporate that into a draft for you all to review and then they would bring that to you and you all would flush it out or adjust it as appropriate. but that's really the role -- that's why you would be hiring them to do some of that work up front and to give you a draft to respond to. >> any other comments or questions? we can move to public comment and perhaps entertain motions. or do you want to entertain motions first? >> [mic is off] >> why don't we go to public comment. >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment online item no. five, line up at the podium or call

415-655-0001 and enter access code 24946776879. press three to raise your hand to be added to the queue. there's no public comment. >> speaking as a board member and not president, my thought would be we ask -- ask dhr to seek proposals and come back with the timeline and other variables and in the meantime we form a subcommittee to craft the knowledge and skills and

abilities we want in the candidate for the recruitment or whoever will do the recruiting to look for. any comments or thoughts about that >> yes, i definitely would like to see some information that you've mentioned, thank you so much for providing some more structure and guidance for us as we create that. that's very helpful. and if we could get that, what would be the timeline for receiving that? would it be possible to turn it around for our next meeting or is that unrealistic? >> we had monthly meetings so i -- >> a month depending on the timing of your posting of materials might be possible. i can work with mr. leon to make

an effort to have something back for your october meeting. we do like to post these opportunities with our recruiters for at least two weeks so they have a significant of enough time to provide a thorough response and then we'll need to review them, make sure they provided a complete package and then prepare them to bring to the commission. so, we can work to have something for the october meeting. but it is a short turnaround. >> when do -- you need a week for posting? >> yeah. >> okay. >> three days. >> okay. that should be fine. >> thank you. and for your teams work on this. >> does anyone want to make a motion regarding this matter? >> regarding the subcommittee, i

would like to -- >> no, i think -- request with requesting dhr. >> i move for the requested proposals of both from the five pre qualified materials as we have discussed here in the -- terms as we discussed in the session and the dhr turnaround in october. >> that includes the budgeting, right is this >> yes, that's inclusive of the budgeting and past experiences and recruiting for oversight boards. >> i guess could we put a caveat in there in the consideration of say a retiree if we wanted to have someone in the interim? does that complicate -- i know that adds another wrinkle. >> i'm happy to bring that back as part of my report at the next meeting if there's another option i have identified. >> thank you. >> i'll second that motion as amended, if that's considered an

amendment. >> sure. i accept the friendly amendment. [chuckle] >> do we need a roll call vote. >> member afuhaamango? >> aye. >> member brookter? >> aye. >> member carrion? >> aye. >> member palmer? >> aye. >> member nguyen? >> aye. >> member soo? >> aye. >> president wetchter? >> aye. >> regarding establishing a subcommittee, do we need a separate motion for that? >> i didn't understand it to be a part of the motion. >> pardon me. does anyone want to make a motion regarding that. >> i think we want to think twice about a subcommittee. i think there's a lot of opportunities to create different subcommittees. i think based on, i think it would be helpful to receive the

information first, to see if all of the -- all of the board commissioners want to be part of that. i don't think because we are such a small commission, it might be beneficial for -- and this is such a critical role, it may be important for us to all put our input in, so that that's more my idea rather than narrowing it down -- whether it be preparing drafts of volunteering to prepare a draft, that's another thing but creating another layer, we might not need to do that at this time. >> what is the typical size of subcommittees, attorney clarke? >> it can be anywhere from -- if you have four and your meeting is five, so two to three, i

guess. >> okay. >> i was going to say i agree with commissioner carrion. in the interest of transparency for this first inaugural important hiring decision that we act as an entire body and i don't know if having a subcommittee is necessary. i was also thinking that in parallel, as we're doing a search that we might actually have some community hearings as to what the community would like to see in an inspector general, so that's my other input that we could do things in parallel. >> so, commissioners can make choices about whether they have subcommittees or not, some do and some do not. typically, they want to retain all the decisions regarding reviewing candidates and interviewing together as a whole. in terms of public input,

i think what you're describing, commissioner soo is very common, that a commission would calendar items requesting public input on the qualities that the commission should be seeking in a director or the experience or other kinds of thinks the commission some take into account when evaluating candidates and typically the selected recruitment firm can help you with that, depending whether you want to have it kind of here at a typical commission meeting or whether you want to have it out in the community, you have options for both of those. >> thank you. >> i think we would need maybe some language access so it might be instructed to have something in the community with particular interpreters or work with the community groups. >> i don't want to get too premature but there was a motion

on the floor. >> for discussion, if we were to meet in the community as a full body, we're talking about our october meeting or november meeting and i believe sfgov tv is not able to broadcast from remote locations, so i'm -- i have always strongly supported community meetings and i went to the police commission that was held. can we hold a community meeting between now and our next board meeting to solicit input from our community and report back. >> i would suggest the entire commission. we're new and it's important for all communities to know about us, so and i don't nope that we need to have a whole month in between. i mean, i'll willing and i know everyone's very busy but i'm willing to have additional meetings and i don't envision

more than two different sessions on input and we could determine a location. i know it's harder for our commission secretary to try to deal with the logistics but to identify two different locations and have two different hearings. >> so, we do have member carrion's motion still on the floor. >> yes, so my motion, i believe was already -- it was first and seconded and we did the roll call. >> correct. >> and -- >> there was a call for another motion in the subcommittee. >> there was another call and my position is to oppose such a motion. >> i did make a motion about that. it was a suggestion, so i think the discussion really shows the board -- where i think (indiscernible). so no need for a motion there. >> should we call the question

then? >> yes. >> i don't think we need to. well, no. there was no motion and no second. so we can go to the next line item. >> yes. >> did you make a motion about asking dhr to -- >> yes. that got approved. >> so we don't have any other motions? >> correct. >> okay. okay. very good. thank you for your presentation. so we can move on to the next item which on the original agenda was number five, budget report. informational item. presentation by the mayor's budget office. >> that's going to be remote, correct? >> oh, yeah.

>> thank you.

>> i'm sorry, could you hear me? >> no, we couldn't. >> apologies for that. can you see my screen? >> not yet. >> dan? or jaime?

>> no, we can't. >> it says it's being shared. >> can you see it on my end? >> i'm going to share it on my end. >> al -- apologies i'm not here just got back from travels and i didn't want to get you sick so you're with me from my home and in the future i hope to be there in the future. my name is camilla and i'm one of the staff of the mayor's budget office and here to talk about your budget, so you have some understanding

going inform the next year what that is. this in addition to that, to give you a brief -- go on to the next slide, a brief background as to what the budget cycle is, so you -- for those who haven't work with the city and familiar with it, we're now in september which is the beginning of what we call department phase. there are two things happening and one is city departments, sheriff's department and accountability included are beginning to think about what their budget ask are for the next fiscal year so we're in fiscal year '23 but i'll think about what you want for fy24 for the next few months and what our office is doing is understanding the issues and getting a sense of where we

might be going and in addition, trying to understand what the city's potential deficit are and surpluses. nine times out of ten, that's going to be a deficit. this last year we were fortunate and had a surplus to start the budget season. that deficit leads to staffing departments reducing budgets year over year mainly because personnel cost are so high and they grow year over year without even touching them. and you can understand that makes sense due to labor negotiations, cost of benefits going up, things like that. so, during this time from september to january, departments are developing proposals of what they think they may want in a budget and the mayor's budget office along with the controller an office are getting a sense of how much money we might have to spend the upcoming fiscal year. the

mayor's budget office will present what we call budget instructions in december and those budget instructions are from the mayor's office to the departments, letting you know how much money we have to spend and in addition to that, what the mayor's priorities are and any other recommendations or request we have for department proposals. those proposals then are turned around quite quickly and sent back to us and the controller's office in february and at that point we turn to mayor's phase of the budget and the mayor's department is running closely with the department team, primarily their finance time, budget team determine what the needs are of that department and how we can make sure all of the needs are met and that also all of the mayor's priorities for making

sure the city as a whole and not just department level but as a whole is running smoothly and that leaves us through the mayor's phase when we present our budgets to the board on june 1st and then the board of supervisors reviews those budgets and they make decisions and changes as they did in your budget last year to either make reductions or to add back additional initiatives ever funding so this is the overall budget cycle. there's no need for you to memorize this but it gives you a sense of where we are and when departments are expected to provide their input and how things will move from there. you can go to the next slide. thank you. so, this is a

very high level overview of your budget. so it's broken into a way that the budget is divided (indiscernible) division, so the sheriff's department of accountability is a department. within that, there are two divisions and there's the office of inspector general and there's the oversight board. there's definitely the opportunity for funds to move around within these two areas. it is not -- please do not feel that what is in the (indiscernible) budget can't be shared with the oversight board. there are changes in there that can happen. but primarily the -- how we have budget setup with any oversight boards or commissions is their budgets are kept

separately and are often much smaller because it only benefits staff who work with the commission directly and also the (indiscernible) for the commissioners and board members and i apologize, there's a typo in here. it's .06, not .05 million so $60,050,000 -- so 60 and 50 million. it could be the recruitment firm you would be hiring to bring on to support the recruitment of the inspector general. they might be training organizations, if you need to have training done through any sort of new state or federal legislation that has been put into place and a variety of cost can go to professional services

and contract budget. the oversight is smaller but within the oyg salary, we have a chunk of benefits and salary to pay for staffing and the predominate amount of staffing and hiring contracts. the reason that's relatively high is because we think there might be it could have the department might need, whether that is software to work with the sheriff's department or, you know, if there's a new system of keeping inspector -- investigators notes confidential, whatever that might be, there's room in there every year, $300,000 for the office of the inspector general to purchase professional services and contracts and the

(indiscernible) budget is small but this is very average for departments and it's about $500,000 a year and the work order for other city departments are larger in the first year because of the recruitment for the inspector general. we added funds in there for dhr support but that could be used in the professional services and contracts area. and lastly, in the work offices to other city departments is the training that you all received through the sheriff's department. we can go on to the next slide, thank you. so, here you'll see staffing. this is what was written up in the charter. apologies. the inspector general is in there and 7 investigators which is the amount that's required as of now. two senior investigators

and one attorney position which is a policy attorney position. it is not a legal recommendations position to make that distinction. and then the board members, there's seven of you and it's stipends and manager assistant and senior administration analyst. that's all for my presentation. i'm happy to answer any questions. >> any questions from board members? >> yeah. just one. just one, thank you for that presentation. just to get clarification, back on slide number three and i wanted to make sure my math is correct and i'm not a mathematician like councilmember soo. >> (indiscernible). >> absolutely. but on slide three, if we can pull it up, dan, really quick. i just want to make sure the reference was, this was dollars in the

millions, correct? >> yes. >> and so, i just want to make sure i heard you correctly because i heard and if we can pull that up real quick, dan, there was the one section, like looking at professional services and contracts and i got an 0.06. it's $400,000 in terms of salaries and benefits. >> $6,000,000. >> so that's correct? >> i'm sorry. it's in the second year. it should have been 0.05. >> got you. salaries and benefits is correct, that's $400,000 >> yes, that's for the seven stipends. >> okay. >> and then the two full-time salary and benefits. >> okay. perfect. i wanted to make sure i was reading that correctly and doing the math correctly and making sure it was in the millions. >> who are the two full time employee for the oversight board

listed on that line? >> i can get the names for you but it's a management assistant and manager analyst. is len occupying that. there's a senior administrative analyst separate from the general inspector's office. >> the way this was structured, we assigned the management assistant and senior analyst would work across both because the board meets once a month and there might be e-mail work involved in that as well but yes, it is up to your discretion how you and the inspector general together decide to make that work. >> other questions? >> will we be receiving and how will we receive updates as to where we are to the budget and cost and expenses? >> so, i had that happen but

we'll comment -- that will come into life when the inspector general is -- >> you're muffled, can you repeat that? >> of course. that will be up to the inspector general and yourselves as you desire how you want to manage the department. at this point in time, dan is the only very lucky employee of the sda and he will be working with us to manage anything and everything within the department including the finances at the time. and the budget proposal. my hope is that he gets some support sooner than later because it's a great deal of work but that is the way it had be set up moving forward, if that answers your question. >> yes. to follow up with that, we discussed it's going to take several months to find our

amazing inspector general that we will find and hire. in the meantime, can we receive information as to what the budget is maybe in the next two months of what the expenditures have been? i know we've already spent some of those funds for staffing, obviously, as well as for training so just to kind of keep an eye on that since we won't have an inspector general for a couple of more months. >> certainly, one of my colleagues will be happy to provide that information to you and we certainly will work with dan who is the next one working with our team to get that information for you as well. at your request, happy to do that. >> other questions? i have two questions. can we get a breakdown of current expenditures from both budgets,

the oversight boards budget and inspector generals budget so far for this fiscal year, 22-23 fiscal year? >> you're requesting expenses that have already been made? >> yeah. and continuing expenses so we can see where we are, how much has been spent, how much is going to be spent per month at the current rate. >> yes. i'm happy to work with dan on this if you all would like to make that request to dan, he and i can work together to get those numbers to you, certainly. >> okay, thank you. and i had, i'm looking at the mayor's budget is 329 where it says total -- that's 7.7 positions for fiscal year 21-22 and 13 for fiscal year 22-23 with a total

personnel budget of $2,920,000. so, that seems to be higher than what you just showed us, so -- >> the mayor's budget does not include changes that were made by the board of supervisors and they did make a reduction to your budget by $500,000 from the mayor's proposal in salaries and benefits and that was not positioned but it was attrition which counts as a position so you'll see a reduction there. but you have every opportunity to propose new and growing staff here on out if your budget proposals. >> and what responsibilities does this board have regarding the crafting of the fiscal year 23-24 budget because the circular chart you showed us shows we're partially through that process and planning for

that? >> yeah. attorney clarke, please free to jump in. to my understanding, there's no requirements of you. it will be up to yourselves and the inspector general when they join the team and decide how you would like to operate. it is generally not the commissions or the boards who are responsible for putting together the budget, putting together proposals. it's a relationship between department heads and boards or commissions, whether it's discussion back and forth and what the commission and commissioners would like to see in the budget and then some commissions which are -- they have extensive charter language require budget approval before the budget is presented to the mayor's office on the due date. >> okay. just wanted to make sure there's nothing we have upcoming deadlines on.

>> all good. >> thank you. >> yes. >> anything further? thank you for the presentation. we'll get a copy of the powerpoint for our reference? >> i can send it to you. >> thank you. >> thank you all very much. have a great evening. >> i feel better. >> we need to take public comment. >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment online item 6, if you're present please line up at the podium. otherwise, please call 415-655-0001 and enter access code 24966776879, and press three to raise your hand to be added to the queue. there's no public comment. >> i think we can move on to

item no. five which is the sheriff's chief report. chief, i do apologize for you having to wait for so long. thank you for your patience. >> that's okay. i'm used to it. [laughter] just for information, i'm chief richard, chief of staff in the sheriff's office. we met last from the last meeting here, you requested an update on our staffing. we (indiscernible) for five years so we started from 2017 to now. so, powerpoint presentation we have here is going to cover the total positions our department budgeted for and the actual staffing that we have now. in addition to the difference between authorizing actual staffing, so.... i'm not a tech

guy. can you help me. [laughter] okay. we're going to start with the 2017, what we have here. in

2017, we're authorized for 1158 or back then it was 992.5, so the change from that staffing overall was 165.5. if you look at the sworn, we're at 85% capacity. professional authorize here, we're at 123 and we want to get 98, i guess it's more for professional staff, it's hard to recruit on that note. in 2017, we had authorized 99 and we had 95.5 cadets employed with us and as we move on to the following years, you'll see in 2018, our numbers are a little lower. we changed 156 and our authorized then was 940. so, actual was 824.

operated at 88%. so, same thing with the professional who stays at 76% and cadets are at 90. in 2019, where we authorized for 1174, we had 995 total employees. if you look at the sworn, we operated at 87%. again, the professional staff remains at 72%. and the cadets operate, we have at 84% higher. as we go into 2020, we're authorized by 1175. our actual was 987 total. we had minus 188 employees total. we operated at sworn at 88 -- 85% and professional at 77% and then cadets was at 83%. here's a

difference. this is when covid kicked in. authorized for 1191. total staff was 927. total change from that from the previous years, 264. if you look at our staff and sworn, it's thorded for 793 and down to 744. same thing with the professional staff, it has gone lower at 67% and again with cadets at 75%. that's at 2020, the start of the pandemic and everything going on. also with the environment that was happening back then. our final -- it's much worse. everything is in red. we're authorized at 1191. we have totaling 155. we're at 336 short total. if you look at sworn, we have authorized 933. we're down to 675. again, with

the professionals, 142 authorized. we had more working at 97. with our cadets, if you see it's almost half. it's 116 down to 83. we have a graph here if you need a better look at it from there. the red -- sworn on top, if you look at it, it goes from top from the year 2017 down to 2022. same thing representing with the to -- professional staff and overall staff and we have sworn from that point on. that is what we have up-to-date for now. so, our challenge is right now that we're going through with the training portion of it, in addition to

covid, that affects us and because of the shortest of staffing and we have to go through mandatory staffing to cover the courts and jails and everything else. so you can see they are working extra hours to try and keep the sheriff's office in operation. what we're trying to do now is for recruit, we're trying to do aggressive recruitment drive. we're on billboards now. we're doing digital advertising. we're on the buses, as you can see, if you drive by and i know it was a billboard and oakland, it says we're hiring, so we're really trying to recruit very massively and this is, you know, we're a part of the makeup of law enforcement. everyone is having a hard time and other agencies along with ourselves but we did partner up to increase the recruitment drive. we partnered us with the army, it's called the pays program and that

encompasses, when a military personnel is ready to get discharged they can go through the testing process in the last six months in the military so by the time hopefully when they are discharged, that we are able to hire them, provided they pass all the qualifications. and again, we've been attending job fairs all over the city including the peninsula, bay area and we've been trying to recruit massively so that's where we're at as far as the recruitment and staffing. any questions? >> have you seen applications as a bases of the recruitment efforts? >> we have been lucky because the sheriff's office has a (indiscernible) job scope so we're doing better than the police department as i would like to say. we average between

ten to 20 applicants so we've gone all over trying to push and push and we continue to push. we're trying to encourage to do a collaboration where we're trying to encourage our employees to be a part of our recruiting program, to promote the department and promote the office about what the job is so people can hear about it from line staff and everybody else. >> chief, it wasn't in the slide but i'm concerned see especially when it comes to our law enforcement agencies, like, how many folks in the sheriff's department live here in the city verses outside of the city? >> we're, i think we're pretty tough because san francisco is a high cost-of-living. >> of course. >> i think the majority, it's probably safe to say 70% do not live in the city compared to the police department, the same thing. there were 70 to 85%, people do not live in the city because of the cost of living.

>> it looks like you suffered significant drop in the deputies, personnel involving custody. how does that compare with the number of individuals and custody over that same five-year period? >> we try to keep our numbers low in custody low. we try to get it at 800 at most if we can. of course, we're trying to alleviate some of the -- the lock up too by putting on electronic monitoring. so we're trying to maintain that as much as possible especially too with the current situation with covid. it's still active so we're requiring that people still wear their mask and get tested and everything and not to mention m-pox so there's a lot of things happening. in relationship with that, it made prisoners -- staffing is low so

people are -- our staff is getting burned out because they have to work sometimes double shifts just to cover it to make the jails safe and the rest of our programs too. >> i guess what i'm interested in is the -- the average daily population, would that be correct term? >> yes. >> the period 2017 to 2022 and how that corresponds to the staffing because what i have heard from you and the press is the amount of mandatory overtime increased dramatically. >> yes, it has. like we said, because of the covid situation and everything, we're trying to keep the numbers down but the staffing still has to be able to cover all the shifts and everything, so but again, we go back to covid. we go back to burnout and we go back to people may want to seek other careers in another department, we lose a lot from attrition too. so we're trying to recruit more to

accommodate that. unfortunately, it looks like the recruitment doesn't keep up with the attrition. >> would it be possible for you to get us to the figures on the average daily population during that same time period so we can compare it with the number of deputies assigned to the custody division? >> the numbers right now, as you look at it, we're at 673, so we're trying to keep up. >> right. >> you go and see the population is bigger than the amount of employees we have. they are in custody. that's why it's mandated in overtime to keep up with this. >> right. that's the population now but i would like to see what the population was in 2017, 2018, 2019 and how that compares to the number -- >> i have those figures right now. [multiple voices] >> for the future -- >> i was looking at the staffing you were talking about and not

relation to what's happen nothing the population. >> is it possible -- >> we can come back with that number again at the next session but right now, i do not have it. >> compared to the prior years at san bruno, do you have the same number of pods occupied, more pods occupied or fewer pods occupied? because i know each pod requires two deputies in that pod and there were two deputies in each pod? >> i have bring someone who is more familiar with the count in jails because i'm just here reporting the staff mode. i have to bring somebody that's there. you do understand that i've been with the sheriff's office for two years. >> and then regarding recruitment, i know a lot of law enforcement agencies are also recruiting. >> yeah. >> i know that many of the individuals, if they decide a career in law enforcement, they will apply to multiple agencies

and often take the job that is first offered to them because they want to start in their career, so what are you doing to address the timeframe issue of people who apply and move the process along? >> we're going with the same practice as the police department. they have to go through eight examines and that's a background check and medical and psychological and everything else so they have to go in steps before we can go on. we do try to expedite but we have to be very thorough since we are given these new employees a great responsibility, so we have to be very, very detailed as far as what we're doing on that. >> as you know, i have worked at dpa so i was aware that sfpd had lateral transfers from other departments. >> yes. >> the sheriff's department getting lateral ral transfers and how are those handled. >> some do apply and not as many

as the pd. but we do get a handful and they go through a process. they don't have to go through the academy but they have to go through the full course and background and get an orientation from us to go through that process but the recruitment drive for laterals isn't in abundance compared to someone who want a job freshly as a deputy. >> other questions? >> i had a couple of questions and in terms of electronic monitors and can you talk about the challenges and what personnel is needed as opposed to being in custody? that's a fixed location but if people have to go out and monitor the different people, i suspect that takes more personnel and more hours? >> we need more personnel. right

now we're short staffed in that unit right now. we're very short staffed. so we have our deputies over there working sometimes double shift or because -- we have to shift them to another unit to work that unit. >> so at the next meeting, could you talk about the staffing for that electronic monitoring and how many people are currently monitored, outreach, maybe? >> i don't have that number and i'll have to bring it back in terms of electronic monitoring >> i mean at the next meeting. >> yeah. >> the other part is in terms of recruitment, it's one thing to recruit. it's a whole another thing for someone to make it through the entire academy and what is the percentage of people who tangle out and don't make it through -- through the academy? >> on average, we don't have a big abundance but usually we see between six and ten, maybe 15

recruits at one time but the -- knock on wood, we've been having a success rate where mostly everyone has passed the -- passed academy and it could be because we give them a pre-academy and give them a good pep talk and they can stay the 20 weeks or 28 weeks and which academy they do attend. as far as percentage wise, if it was going to happen, it's not every class, maybe one or two may not make it or they resign because they find out the job is not for them. >> and then does the sheriff's department have something similar to the pal program with the police department in terms of working with kind of junior exposure? >> we have a junior deputy program. we have a lot of youth programs we go out there and try and do outreach out there. >> anything at stones town? i see them competing at alameda

county poster. >> alameda is a big recruiter and sell a lot. >> anymore questions -- i didn't want to take too much of your time so i kind of -- we have the (indiscernible) you were asking about. we cover custody and that covers the two months we had in the past two months so far and to give you the total that we received in july of 2022, if you look at the numbers there and the red it says july 2022, we had a total of five cases that overall, three of them -- for if you look at it, it was crimes against a person and then we had one property crime and then others were just one and so the total split up was five felonies actually and go misdemeanors.

three of them were active, still open for investigation and two of them are currently closed right now. >> is these cases involving people in custody -- >> people in custody, yes. >> okay. >> and in august, we had received 26 cases, if you look at it, we had -- over here if you look at the colors over here, 11 felonies and 18 were misdemeanors so again, breaking it down, 15 was crimes against a person. we had one property crime. we had three section crimes and the rest were seven others. and that may be related to vandalism and if you have not heard, we had one vandalism case a few days ago that were -- we had to report because that person vandalized the water sprinkler and damaged our county

jail three -- county jail one with the extension amount of money that goes into six figures we have to do for repairs. >> do you have figures on internal investigations of (indiscernible) against deputies? >> that's our ia. i would have to get numbers. we ask for criminal investigatings not related to ai. that's why we went with the custody but next round i can bring our lieutenant over here to talk about our ai cases. >> i would be interested in getting a sense of a number of complaints and disposition and findings and also some figures and i don't know if you can provide this or city attorney can provide these on lawsuits against the sheriff's department and settlements. >> okay. again, that would go with ai and also with our legal team. and we'll have to discuss

that -- we'll lay that out for the next meeting. >> recognize, we know that a lawsuit does not mean something happened. the city sometimes happens to settle as a cost saving measure but i think it's useful to get a look at those figures and have a sense -- >> we'll bring our ai team in here and explain that to you. >> sorry. when you say lawsuits against the city, do you mean in what time period? so if that's something -- because i had something -- you're talking about times a deputy or the department was sued in what period of time? >> the last five years would be a reasonable period? >> i think it would be better to start with the last year and i worked in the past with the departments and my guess -- i haven't looked to see what is involved but i would recommend a

year. >> okay. i just have no idea what we're talking about. >> i don't either at this point. [laughter] >> chief, one thing i would be interested in, obviously, you have people on leave, i don't know how much is for medical reasons, others -- but i would be interested in figures on the number of attacked on deputies. >> i'm seeing you track that -- >> you mean deputies on disabilities? >> actual assaults on deputies by -- by incarcerated people in the jails. >> we can do that. >> that's a factor in morale and staffing. we would hope it doesn't happen but unfortunately, i'm certain it does. >> we had recent cases that it did happen, so.... they are still being investigated right

now. >> okay. just in figures and no details to violate anyone's -- confidentiality. is it increasing overtime and leading to more adults on deputies? >> we'll bring that up. >> okay, thank you. >> anymore questions related to this? okay. so i know you heard last about our access for incarcerated and who has access to education and as you all know, hopefully, we have a lot of programs related to -- that's in our jails and everything. one of them is our (indiscernible) program. i do have the policy related to that each one of you would like to look at it. i believe it's in your usb drive we gave to you in training so if you don't want one, i'm fine with that. would anyone like one before i move on? okay. they do

have access. there's a policy related to it. the criteria is usually for sentence and non-sentenced inmates in the general population. they are eligible to apply for five keys. again, if i can use a charter school -- they have to go through an assessment program to try figure out where they can place them when they go to academics on there. again, it doesn't matter about agenda in this city or anything like that. everybody is eligible and everyone has access to that part of it. again, there are rules that they have to follow, again, there's not a mandatory where they can get disqualified or dismissed but there's guidelines

if they violate policy and they will get reviewed before anything happens on that. if they cannot finish their five keys education, there's a post release where they can go out and still (indiscernible) for education after they post for release. we do offer other programs and there's 13 other programs in the county jail two and three and they have access to all those programs available to them. and that concludes my presentation unless -- unless you've got anymore questions? >> anymore questions, board members. >> there's job training as well. >> there's job training and we're connected to the city college and they help us out too so we try and expand it and our courses even more. >> (indiscernible) are we saying the educational programs are

paused because of staffing issues and to what extend? >> there was a pause because of staffing but covid did play a role in that too, our director is in charge, alisa riker and it's not a staffing program and usually it's the first to go so that's we're aggressively are trying to improve the staffing portion of it right away so we can get the programs and everything back up to par. >> are there educational programs currently taking place in the jail. >> >> currently right now, they are. they have access to it right now. >> could you describe how -- what that access is and what the programs are? >> let me pull it from my notes

here. currently right now, besides the five keys program, they have access to a program called one family where staff helps family members of the incarcerated to go and have video visits right now and they facilitate that. we also have the public library that deliver books to the jails on a regular basis over there. we have access to -- the city has access to college classes and there's a mentoring men's movement. that group -- they work from jails and they are available for that. there is a stanford lecture portion that we do have.

substance abuse program, violence prevention program, also we have programs for veterans. those just a few i just named. >> are those virtual or any in person? >> right now, some are in person and some of them are virtual and some have been postponed because of staffing. >> and the ones that have been postponed for staffing, do you have a sense of how many and which ones owes -- -- >> i don't have those numbers yet. >> okay. >> do you have a sense when those ones paused might be resumed? >> i can give you more detail in the next round and bring the person in charge of the program. >> okay, great. thank you. >> just a statement if i could, president wetchter. first and foremost, chief chiu, thank you for coming out today. it's an

opportunity for us to work through the presentation and what we want to see from the sheriff's department and just really want to make sure that you know, as we look item no. nine and making sure we agendized some of the topics for discussion in that section so that folks get the opportunity to bring motion before us, i think that would be good and i want to say thank you. >> i didn't know if you were going to leave. i did a tour of is not bruno before the pilot program, the crows net program was implemented and maybe my fellow board members would be interested to see how it works because i have been trying to visualize it and i have been having a difficult time and i know no more than three of us can be present at any one place but mr. long, we can see if we can schedule that at a convenient time. >> we can work that out. i need to talk to the chief deputy and the captain and give us dates and times and we can arrange it. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that.

>> you're welcome. >> thank you all so much. also, i think it's really important to keep in mind that we have heard how very much understaffed our sheriff's are, so i think we want to be thoughtful about when we think about the future agenda items and scheduling as to what the is the priorities and why we need certain things at certain times because we want to make sure our deputies are also healthy and working double time and doing all the things, they are members of community and we want them to be, you know, not on medical leave and what not so we do greatly appreciate your work and this is a new commission and we'll work with you to figure out the best way to facilitate the delivery of information in a way that is not overburdensome but reasonable in what our action items are and what we tend to do here. >> i appreciate that, thank you.

>> thank you. >> i think -- i got one more question. what role does the sheriff's department play in making sure that the courtrooms are open and available for people to have their constitutional hearing to a speedy trial? >> we work with them, with supervisor roden who tried to push it through. we've been working on opening the courts in civil courts but we're still working on that. again, it goes back to staffing. and it goes to public safety and officer safety issue and staff those areas and again, if you look at the numbers, we're down at 600 so that requires additional staffing to cover those areas. we are still in the works. we're still working and corporating with supervisor roden and that relationship. >> i was going to add, commissioner palmer, i have been

to court watching the last couple of months so people have refused to show up and waive their right to a speedy trial, so we also have victims waiting to be able to confront the defendants -- and haven't been able to and i have been to the preliminary hearing for several cases so that's the issue as well. >> that's it >> yes, thank you. >> thank you. >> i guess we'll go to public comment now. >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment online item 7, if you're present, please line up at the podium. otherwise, please call 415-655-0001 and enter access code 24946776879. press three to raise your hand to be added to the queue.

>> thank you board and congratulations to the president and vice-president. my name is ken, i'm the dha president and i'm very glad that you are speaking about staffing. i think this board should make staffing a priority. as the president of the dha and board we researched the staffing for many years and if you look into it and dive deep into it, we're not the only ones that looked into it, the civil grand jury has, and they have written multiple reports and the controller's office have, they have written multiple reports. this is a continuous problem and so much of a problem, i have listened to every reason and every excuse from the sheriff's department and i have researched it and the most and recent and last excuse led me to the controller's

office where i met with the controller and i do agree with the sheriff's office that the sheriff's budget is a problem. and so does the controller, budget needs to be higher and appropriate. that's partial effect but that's not the only effect of our staffing crisis. here we are today, we're talking about staffing and that's a priority that should be the priority because really if you think about it, what does it affect? >> it affects safety inside the jail and affects peace and affects going to programs, it affects walk time. it affects gym time and it affects medical appointments and court trials like you brought up, it's the cog in the wheel that slows everything done, it's the cog in the wheel where our deputies are getting attacked because the lack of staffing. it's the cog in the wheel because other incarcerated people are being

attacked and employees are being -- attacked and this needs to be your priority. i would like to say although the sheriff's office presents they are aggressively hiring and they are trying to recruit, you know, the contrary based on our research, there's trying and there's doing and the trying, there needs to be more fire under the trying. there needs to be more urgency under the trying. the marketing and recruiting right now pretty much that started in june prior to that, there was little to no marketing and the recruiting was week and the department re-- relied on other employees to network on getting new applicants and it worked well until the last two years where morale decreased the lowest levels to where our contract has

been violated multiple times to the point of our members losing time off because of contract violations, to the point of applicants coming in with experience, with academy certificates, laterals, getting underpaid and paid at a training wage when that never happened prior to 2020, so there's problems within the department that i urge you to look at. now, if we fix all those inter department problems where they have impacted (indiscernible) and promoted deputies to sergeants and i mean a lot of sergeants during the staffing crisis, where they skipped and not offered testing for senior deputy which could have balanced some of the issues with the impact of staffing instead of going from deputy -- >> i think we've hit the time limit for your public comment, my apologies but we need to add

here to that. >> thank you. but please research it and look into it. [timer] >> to the parents for the public comment, there was missing -- the password to get into the meeting, so the meeting id is 24946776879. and the password is 63879899. public comment is now open. we'll give you a few seconds. >> could you repeat that because usually when people hear it specifically -- >> and slower because if it was me, i wouldn't have caught any of those numbers.

>> it appears public comment was missing the password, so the meeting id, let me start with the phone number, 415-655-0001. meeting id is 24946776879. and the password is 63879899.

there's no public comment. >> the next item on the agenda is item 8, rules of order/by-laws, this is a discussion item. board members about -- discussion by board members about any of the proposed rules of order that mr. long has sent us based over the past five weeks? >> city attorney clerk, are you going to finalize it if we send comments or -- would you prefer that maybe one commission member accumulate the comments and

revise the draft as necessary? >> yeah, i mean, it can go either way. i made comments so the ones from existing bodies, someone, ten tee city attorney reviewed those so the main thing we are looking for is they are consistent with the "brown act" and the sunshine ordinance, so for those that were for existing bodies, that's already -- our office reviewed those. the one that, the draft that president wetchter sent to me, i went through and made edits and to make sure and it looked at it with the eye towards, is it it consistent with the "brown act" and the sunshine ordinance and i haven't looked at this current draft since then, so if it's not changed, since i looked at it last, then i'm sure it's fine but what rules you adopt are entirely up to you with the caveat, like i said, they are

consistent with the "brown act" and sunshine ordinance. it can go either way. if you want me to make comments on other drafts, i could do that or if you want -- if this body decides that the draft that president wetchter sent which i think is built off the police commission rules of order, if this body decides that's the draft they want to work on, i can go back and finalize it and send it to the group and at the next meeting, if you elect to adopt that, you'd have to put it on the agenda as an action item because you're adopting rules and you have to give 15-days' notice for that meeting so if you want to do that, i can do that. so today, you couldn't adopt them. it's only an informational item, so those are some of the possibilities so -- >> i asked that only because not just substantively but also the

format was off. i didn't know how in shape you wanted the things because obviously if we're going to adopt something, the formatting is important as well. >> yeah. i'm happy to -- i'm happy to make a comment on the -- comment on formatting also. i didn't notice anything in particular. the draft i'm looking at now -- >> i mean i see spaces in the underlining isn't consistent so i'm -- as an attorney, i'm anal about some of these things having worked on regulations as well. >> i wasn't looking at it for that purpose because it was one of three four drafts floating around. >> i was wondering if we were submitting drafts or comments to you, like how perfect of a form? >> it's entirely up to you. >> okay. because i mean, if this

came to me as a final draft and even with the 15-day notice, i couldn't vote for it because i'm looking not only substantively but also in terms of presentation and format as well. >> yep. so, the way i approached this is when people sent me drafts, i have been look at it an item consistent with the sunshine ordinance and the "brown act" and i haven't been looking at it for formatting purposes. it's not -- but i can do that if that's something you want but i'm happy to take whatever comments or edits you had that go to formatting or wording or anything like that on a draft -- on one or two of the drafts and get back to you and send back to you a for final form. >> okay. thank you. i mean, main thing is they are your rules. they can look however you want

them to look. meaning the body's rules. >> yeah, i had one concern about actually on agenda items and including the inspector general because the inspector general works for this body so i think it's better to keep it within the board to come up with agenda items. i mean, it can be in consolidation with the inspector general but i think just to keep it consistent and maybe a media policy as well. that really, things shouldn't be in the media that hasn't been a consensus of our entire commission and anything that touches a legal arena, it would be best directed to you or if -- if it's germane to the sheriff's department/sheriff's council. >> what i think might work best is if, so everyone has a draft, right, and i think there were copies so if -- i can make a note of those edits you

suggested and if the body wants me to make the edits to the document and bring that back, i can do that but you could also, at the next meeting when you're adopting the rules, anyone is free at that point to make suggestions to the draft that's out there, like, they can be oral suggestions and then you can vote on whatever those suggestions are and i can commit what you have voted on to writing or edit it as everyone directs me to at the meeting so it can go either way. >> okay. i'll try and make it easier for you and do a clean copy myself and then i'll probably just highlight changes in language rather than -- and i always find underlining and then (indiscernible) too confusing so i highlight in a particular color whether it's yellow or green. >> that works fine. maybe what i'll do when we come back, i'll shift that draft around through the secretary and try and make

clear what our -- your suggestions and what were my suggestions, so then when you come back to vote on the rules, if you decide to do that at the next meeting, you'll know when you're voting on basically. at that meeting and if there's a draft and close to final form, this body is free at that meeting as long as it has been agendized to make suggestions and they can be a part of the final draft too, so that's -- what is brought to the next meeting doesn't have to be exactly what you end up voting on, if that makes sense. >> i have a question. i don't require sending a media policy in the other commissioner rules of order that you sent to us, is there one we can copy or adopt? >> there isn't a media policy for the other commission i advise and i don't remember seeing it in the ones i have

shared. so i can ask around my office to see if other commission -- where the rules aren't before you and not one that is advised they have a media policy and i can bring that to you too. >> i'm sure there's something that stood up and ensuring there's not a first amendment right of board or commission members. >> the other commission i advise, i think the rules of order say that the president -- can speak for the body. but even now i think it's problematic. it's one thing to be able to speak to the media about something that the board, a decision that the board collectively made but it might get confusing in terms of what you are saying as an individual verses what you're saying as a member, so but i have seen that in the other commission i advise

in the juvenile commission. it's in their rules but it's up to you and i can look at it with an eye to the first amendment issues. >> i was looking at the police commission rules of order because they closely -- their work most closely resembles ours. any questions or comments? okay. is there any public comment? >> sorry. >> i was going to make a motion that we all submit -- i was going inform say we submit things -- i was going to say we submit information because we need 15 days' notice and i don't want if you want the board members so it can be finalized

or we have a month and carry it and do it -- >> i was thinking latter of november and agendized it for november. >> but realize there's going to be thanksgiving in there too. >> yes, there is. >> and ms. clarke, i -- say this is a pdf so all comments you made which were attorney/client privilege would be excluded and i can send you this in word version and if you can take it out so it's easier and you can send it to dan, if you can send it to people so it's easier to make changes using track changes so we can see which changes each individual is proposing, if that's easier. >> i tend not to use track changes so i use highlighting. usually, i think my role has been master scripter in the past so usually it's easier and i

would say that because city attorney is finalizing it. city attorney is the master scripter so there's not too many people playing with the draft and then one goes out in error as a final. >> so if i'm hearing you correctly, do you want to volunteer to receive those of us -- the corrections or additions to it and then you can share -- >> it can be either or or i was going to say it would be city attorney working on it because -- >> it's better you send it to dan and they forward it to me individually. i want to avoid us accidentally share things among -- >> i agree. >> and thank you for doing all this work, it's very tedious. >> that's why we went to law school. >> i'm having flashbacks. >> i presume we have to do it

once. okay. are we ready for public comment? >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment online item 8, if you're present, please line up at the podium. otherwise, please call 415-655-0001. and enter access code 2496776879. with the password 63879899. press three to raise your hand to be added to the queue. and given the technical difficulties of this, i believe we can take public comment on any lines one three eight. there is one public caller. good evening, caller, you have two minutes.

>> commissioners, can you hear me? >> yes. >> okay. i had to call the sheriff's department because sf tv -- so we can verify and get a password to participate in this meeting. i think all this should be done before you start your meeting and start the middle in the meeting or the end. we, the public are watching y'all like a hawk. and i did listen to the

entire meeting, the first meeting and i want to say even though this wasn't an action item and you're discussing about the rules of order but i want to say that our city in recent months have many new commissions. we have a commission on public housing, street and sanitation, the sheriff's now have a commission and each of these meetings have to have some standard. and one of the most important points is that the public has to participate. >> caller, you have 30 seconds. >> thank you for the 30 seconds. we, the people, need to be respected and we were not

respected today. and i'm going to participate in the future agenda items. i'm on standby. >> thank you, caller. no other callers. >> no more callers. >> okay. then item 9, future agenda items and scheduling regular meeting. discussion and possible action item. and you gave us the list of potential accessible meeting room times.

>> as a reminder going forward, sfgo tv will not be broadcast this live and it will be recorded to be heard next day. >> will people be able to listen online? >> they can sign in into webex. but it won't be broadcast on cable tv. >> webex, will they have visuals or audio? >> i believe it's audio only. >> audio only, okay. >> i understood this list to mean if we were to choose one of these dates, we can have live broadcast, right? >> correct >> it's only -- so, i'm looking at this and to maximize public participation, i think fridays are not necessarily a good day. i would make myself available but fridays aren't the best and i think the second best would be

the fourth wednesday where we're able to have that window of opportunity from 9:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. but again, i think during work hours minimizes the ability for the public to participate and to me, that's the most crucial aspect of this commission. but i guess if i needed to prioritize a preference, it would be the fourth wednesday from 9:00 to 4:00. >> i would also prioritize that date. i would -- i think i'm concerned also about the fact that people need to work and they might not be able to give their input during these hours but given the circumstances, this is what we have available to us, i would also prioritize the wednesday, the fourth. >> yes, i concur. i echo the

same sentiments my colleagues have in terms as we just heard, able to ensure we can have public comment and folks can call in, so if we were to choose a different date for availability for sfgovt tv, it's that wednesday but i'm not opposed to, since we had a steady rotation of the last two months of keeping the months although they are not live broadcast, it allows folks an opportunity to call in because if it's not an sfgov tv, it's still a live link, correct? it will be a webex but shown the next day so -- >> we won't -- >> we won't have the video. >> we wouldn't have access unless somebody was actually here live in our -- owe >> the room is open >> in the room with us and i'm trying to layout the options. that's my thought process.

>> on the commission -- on the status of women, we were audio tape and that presented an issue and this isn't during covid, so i'm thinking, second best is the longer hours but as i look at this monday, window is only three years and if we had longer meetings and this is work time 9 to noon. if anything happened noon or later, we could have more latitude and people could have lunch hours between noon and 2:00. i'm concerned about that. >> i'm not having visuals means members of the public would not see the powerpoint presentations that are made to us which are often valuable information. >> and also not recognizing who is speaking unless we identify their selves each time we spoke although i know secretary taylor and you're good at calling on people so, but i think it makes

it so much better to have visuals. >> i work during the day, weekdays, so definitely monday through thursdays are not an option for me and i would prefer fridays just because it has a longer timeframe but yeah. and i'm more flexible on a friday too, so.... that's my point of view. >> michael and william, what about your availability? >> i would prefer friday evenings rather than something in the morning monday through friday because yeah. that's busy hours for myself. do we have a time limit, like, can we just be here for two years or do we have to be here until every item is covered? >> i think we will allow ourselves the flexibility in case it's longer and public

comment may one over. >> we can carry the meeting over to the next meeting. i have been in somewhere the agenda is long where we move it to the next meeting. is there an end time? right now we don't have an end time? >> i second that. i think it would be helpful to have an end time or time keep so that we're kind of moving through the items quickly because i think some of the questions that, even the follow up questions we have for the discussion items can be e-mailed, you know, like, we can kind of save time that way. >> and i think we did more, i mean, like you said, there's going to be meeting where we need more time but then we can reschedule that for a different day if we think our agenda items need more time but for routine agenda, i say friday went 5:00 and 7:00 is good or 4:00 to

7:00. >> michael? >> actually, i agree with palmer due to work conflicts. i think friday would be best. >> i'm so happy to spend my first friday of every month with you wonderful people. i'm okay with that. >> it's might be better than the fourth friday but the overall, you know, priority for me is public participation. >> absolutely! absolutely! >> so are we talking about the first friday or the fourth friday? >> first friday. >> okay. >> first fridays. >> i would imagine my personal feeling is we want as much public involvement as possible so we want to encourage people to watch the meetings and to call in or come in person and speak because as we have said, i think we want to hear from the

community about their concerns and listen to that and hopefully our audience will grow. >> and then do we want to get a time for the first friday? >> yeah, like 4:00 to 7:00. that's what i put down. >> i'm okay with 4:00 to 7. >> great. >> what do we do with holidays or vacation? you may -- >> we don't take vacations. >> okay. [laughter] >> just checking. we do. >> we can work around it but -- >> is 4:00 p.m. the earliest that people can start? or is there a possibility of starting earlier? >> i'm still thinking about public participation so i think 4:00 p.m. is the earliest we should start. >> agreed. >> so can i make a motion we

meet on the first fridays in room 400 at 4:00 p.m. until 7:00 p.m.? >> i second that motion. >> for members of the public who would like to make public comment online item the, if you're present, line up at the podium or call 415-655-0001 and enter access code 24946776879. password 43879899. we have one caller. good evening caller, you

have two minutes. >> my name is francisco de costa and i would like to participate in some of the key virtual meetings that our city has and there is no doubt that at this time, the san francisco police department and the commission and the sheriff's department and commission are playing an important role in advancing quality-of-life issues in our city. very, very serious quality-of-life issues in our city. that is why we have to have everything to allow the taxpayers, constituents who are

(indiscernible) the constitution participate in these meetings. it's very important. now, at every meeting, we have a choice whether to state your name or not state your name. [beeping] i don't mind stating my name. it's "brown act." so, some people don't like to state their name and that's fine. i like to state my name. [timer] >> >> caller, you have 30 seconds. >> there are no other public comment. >> do you want to take a vote?

>> okay. we have a motion on the floor. and i do have a question. would that mean our next meeting would be friday, october 7th? >> i was going to ask that? or did you want to move it to november? >> i was going to put a caveat on that motion to move it to november. >> i think a month to prepare those materials. >> for sure. >> yep! that gets us prepared as well. >> no procrastinating. >> november 4th from 4:00 to 7:00 is our next meeting. >> i'll be at a national bar association asian conference so i won't be here but materials

still can be sent in. >> we'll take the vote. member afuhaamango? >> aye. >> member afuhaamango is aye. member brookter? >> aye. >> member brookter is aye. member carrion? >> aye. >> member carrion is aye: member palmer? >> aye. >> member palmer is aye. member nguyen? >> aye. >> member nguyen is aye. member soo? >> aye. >> member soo is aye. president wetchter? >> aye. >> president wetchter is aye. >> item nine is future agenda items and scheduling regular meetings and we have addressed scheduling regular meetings of future agenda items. i didn't realize you were going to be here and that's why i made the request earlier. >> [mic is off] >> i was going to quickly review

what has been sitting kind of on our back-burner so-to-speak now and i have made, i have redrafted the mission statement to clean it up a little bit and maybe we could send it to city attorney clarke so we don't do (indiscernible) things if that's okay with you. >> i'm happy to look at it. so you want me to look at it for purposes of making sure it's consistent with your charter, duties and et cetera. >> yeah. i draft a mathematician and the elegant proof is the most -- i like to keep it direct and that's why i cleaned up the mission statement. my colleagues are going to work on the mission statement and that's why if we could add here to particularly deadlines and get this completed by november, so we can actually

vote on a mission statement in november. >> so you're recommending this is an agenda item. >> uh-huh. and then also i think secretary (indiscernible), you took a poll on the logos and that will go to business cards and then i think if we're going to set out some community hearings and i know we're going to get into the holidays but maybe that is a good way to have some kind of community involvement and i think commissioner afuhaamango, you really are looking forward to the community engagement as well, so i think maybe at the next meeting, if we can talk about some dates for some of the community engagement and maybe also even look at the sheriff's calendar, if they have some community events that they are doing over the holidays as well and make we can ducktail or at least make announcements at a sheriff's community event that we're going to have a hearing

other a criteria of an inspector general, so.... but i think it's important to actually get the mission statement done and the logo and business cards so as members, those of us involved in the community, at least are willing to give out contact information to solicit input, so those are the four items, thank you. >> chief, would it expedite things if you send it in advance of the meeting and if we had questions about them we send them to dan in advance of the meeting, is that permissible or would it expedite things? >> i don't know how far out in advance because staff has to put things out in advance but usually i call dan and let him know if i can put it on there. today, he said i can plug in my own usb but it does take time for our folks to work on that to

the specific to what you're asking. >> i'm wondering if we had the materials a few days before the meeting, if we had questions we can e-mail them to dan and he can forward them to you and we wouldn't have to ask them here and you'll be prepared to provide the information. >> i was going to share and for a point of clarity as we move forward, when we have presentations it should be mosted to the public at the same time we post the agenda so everybody is aware transparent wise of everything that's going on, so i think that might be a good practice to start with, if we can get it 72 hours in advance as we post the agenda so we can post it so member of the publics who have questions on what we're seeing, we can write our questions and reach out before hand if we want and have questions prepared as we're coming into it. >> excellent! >> is the link the same all the time for the public? >> no. >> oh! >> it changes.

>> hopefully it's more consistent since we'll have a consistent meeting. >> i want to be mindful of what commissioner carrion said, that we do prioritize our request of staff because there's a lot going on right now. >> for sure. for sure. >> was there -- the only thing i want to agendized as we just talked about it was the rules of order for november meeting. hopefully by that time everybody has a month to send out less views and edits and grammar and hopefully we can vote on that in november and also because we talked about it and we can discuss it when you talk through the agenda but have dhr come out to address the questions. those are my two things. >> maybe we could is a list few the timelines when dhr comes back and coordinate with community hearings and i don't

anticipate, maybe two community hearings would be adequate but i want to make sure we have language access and spanish and mandarin and cantonese. >> would you look at having a commission meeting in addition to our regular meeting? >> yes. >> okay. so then perhaps we could look for one some time in november before thanksgiving. >> i don't know if that's possible or maybe december because we want the report back from dhr and the report and timeline. >> they will bring back the report on november 4th so if we had a community meeting between november 4th and thanksgiving, we would have gotten the report from dhr?

>> i think it's better for december. >> you know -- >> to a flounce it during our november -- to announce it during our november meeting we'll have a community meeting. >> there's too much going on during the holidays, so given that we're going to be getting these five potentially proposals, information that we're going to get, an entire month to review that and it's an action item and i don't think we should have a community meeting during dez. it's busy for different reasons and we should plan on doing that in the beginning of the new year following the break. and we can use this time if we are able to maybe identify a date by next november, our next meeting, we can identify and then publicize that january meeting much more in advance and give people a month and a half notice.

>> i think it's possible to have two community meetings in january. >> yeah, yeah. >> that's a great idea. >> where is the link to view this for the public located to share with people? >> it's on the sheriff's website. where is it currently? >> the link for the meetings we have, are they -- >> we have -- on our website. >> yeah. someone texted me today saying the link wasn't working, i sent them a link on the agenda. >> it worked for me. i have one question, so i think you're still listed as a pol for police commission after your name and then under mine, i'm still sba consultant, i think, so at what point are we going to be sdod after our names, our e-mail?

>> the e-mails are going to follow the budget and it's going to say fda. we need to get you all processed first, i'm waiting for -- and that one thing and then hr doesn't work quickly but i'm trying to get them -- >> i know, you have worked diligently since we have been onboarded. >> i'm trying to get you guys processed. >> by that time it will be time to file another form 700. >> the new fiscal year. >> all right. do we need general public comment on that item? >> at this time the public is welcome to address the board for up to two minutes on items that did not appear on tonight's agenda but within the subject matter jurisdiction of the

sheriff's department and oversight board during public comment and neither sheriff's personnel or board members are required to respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief response. general public comment is for, given the technical difficulties, it can be for any agenda item. for those present, please line up at the podium. for those not present, call 415-655-0001. enter access code 24966776879. and the password is 63879899. press three to raise your hand to be added to the queue. and there is no public comment. >> a motion for adjournment. >> so moved to adjourn.

>> second. >> roll call on that or can we -- >> you can take that unanimously. >> oh. >> okay. chief, any objections? >> no. >> all right. the meeting ending at 8:31 p.m. >> thank you. >> thanks, dan.

>> so, welcome everybody. welcome, that's right. give yourselves a hand. we're alive.

we are ain't dead, it's no funeral right. it's about saving lives. before i start, i just want to acknowledge speaker of the house and her team for being here. nancy pelosi, thank you. i want to acknowledge our mayor of san francisco, mayor london breed. my sister. [applause] so it's a pleasure to have you here in the alley in the selma and i got acknowledge my brother the chief right there. chief of police, sfpd. originally from la but he's in frisco with us and our new da, my sister, ms. brooks jenkins. thank you. i got to give a shout-out to mom's demand action in the house. the brady campaign, the sftd, all the united playaz here helping us out and i do not want to forget my return citizens and

brothers and sisters who recently came out home and i want to give a shout-out to our reentry brother, frederick who did a life i tense and omar and davis who recently came home after doing over three decades behind the walls and even more recent, i want to give a shout-out to my brother, anthony and my uncle in the wheelchair, doug who came home from doing almost 50 years. welcome home, guys. and all the rest of reentry guys who are here. i got to make sure i give a shout-out to sbd, my brother who cleaned this area all up, big ed who did a life sentence and give a shout-out to everybody making this happen, my brother southern richards in the building. thank you, brother. and all the mothers who are here and you

will see them speak. i just want to say this right here is an investment in our community for our kids and the reentry. this whole building back here that we newly are going to open through my guys, alan and chris who helped us finance this, he's going to be a building for kids to learn how to read, for literacy and it's going to be for gentleman who came home from restorative justice reentry so we're the elementary to the penitentiary for reach, y'all. [applause] so i want to thank you for you guys investing and believing in us because we got to make sure that we have places where we can bring our kids. one of the kids who was in our program, i hate to say my nephew who is recently in a tragic situation last night, nancy, he got shot. it doesn't -- i don't know, it's in god's hand and he's in general right now fighting for his life.

in the same place is from our neighborhood where he's from, london. so it's close to home and so this is why we stand in what we do what we do because we're fighting to end senseless gun violence and we want to make sure nobody, no families, nobody, no mothers have to go through the ache and the pain and the tragedy of the senseless violence, so we stand in solidaritity with all our beautiful people, i want to thank the panels of this building right here, swirl, and brother eli for making this mural happen through every time, my sister alex. if i missed anything, hopefully you'll share. but i want to say this is what we stand for and this is what united playaz foundation is build on. we want to ride and live now. we don't want to ride

and die, we want to live. we don't want to, you know, say rip all the time, we want to say lip, live in peace. we want to be here so we can have events and functions where we can come together and say guess what, we celebrated in the great words of maddie scott, we're going to graduations and not funerals so with that said, i want to bring up the house speaker of the united states of america, my sister, she would have been my ex but -- [laughter] nancy pelosi, y'all. [applause] >> i love you. >> i love you too. thank you very much raudy and thank you to united playaz for all you have done and all of rudy's comments, he was talking about one place or another and i remember our first very big anti-gun violence

rally in front of san francisco general, remember, rudy, when we were in front of the san francisco general with the positions who were bringing healing, hopefully to those who were there, so we're like a family to each other. we've been together over and over, how many times mayor, have you taken the lead in churches, on an annual basis on some occasions, mother's day on other occasions, whatever it is, the mayor has been there. she speaks from personal experience of what growing up in the neighborhood, the hood, her neighborhood was about, so thank you because it's not only that you have taken the lead politically, officially in every way but you're always there sharing the stories of the loved ones. and maddie of course, what can we say about maddie scott? what did she say her say, she said let's stop the killing and start the healing and maddie scott. i don't see it was the last time, but the

second to last time i saw her she was shaking hands with the president of the united states at the signing of the bill. nobody had no more right to be there than maddie. it was remarkable and the president understood that. the president understood that and she's led us in many ways and i'm glad to be here with laura. thank you, thank you for sharing your story with us and again, again the mayor and others from city hall, our officials, our law enforcement, thank you. thank you, chief and thank you da and thank you all. so here we are. i say to my colleagues, we just passed assault weapon ban in the house of representatives. people thought we wouldn't do it, we didn't have the courage to bring it up. people would run and hide but they didn't. they voted for the bill. and i was saying to maddie, not just all politics but civics, if we win two more

senators that share our view in this next election two months from today, we'll be able to pull back, hi darling, we'll be able to pull back that filibuster and pass the background check legislation and again the assault weapon ban and make the world safer. i say to the colleagues and congresses, you're political survival and i say that to the republicans, your political survival is nothing compared to our children as we try and protect them against gun violences so thanks moms, where are you darling, moms demand action and brady against violence and all organizations that worked together. we can do so much maneuvering in the country, the outside mobility skeletonization you're the ones who are -- mobilization and you're making this happen. the outside mobilization, the volunteers, as

i say the volunteers and politics and volunteers in politics are our vip's. and thank you for that outside, but we will, how do we say it, every meeting, we're not stopping until the job is done. and what a model, united playaz is to the country, that's why rudy is on my case because we have $4 million in our house bill for the building and we're intending to bring that check the next meeting as soon as we can get the bill done. [applause] but that's, what we call a personal request of the speaker, so i think we won't have too many problems with that. but again, let's look at each other and say how many times have we seen each other at these meetings and how beautiful it is to see an every widening circle of friends but this is about our children, their safety, you know

the record, more children die of anything else combined in the country than gun violence. how could it be? one hundred people a day die of gun violence, five of them little children, little children. so, thank you. thank you for what you do. thank you for being a model to the nation, from our own community, it takes a hood to say the hood. that's what we say. when all of this goes on, we cry about it and the rest we say, we don't agonize, we organize, we're going to get the job done. thank you all and let's say thank you to rudy for being such, thank you rudy. [applause] thank you, rudy. i said it earlier. our mayor has been a model to the country, to the world, today she welcomed the queen of the netherlands and did so beautifully, representing our city, our values, finding our common ground. but it would be hard to think of any event on

gun violence prevention that the mayor hasn't taken the lead on or been at or sent her representatives if she happens to be not in town and that would be very, very rare. we're very blessed in so many ways with her mayor-ship whether it's covid or whatever it happens to be because it's always about the people. it's about justice. it's about fairness, about respect and she and i share a thought. when rudy was talking about our brothers who are just returning now from some other experiences, i was thinking of the gospel of matthew and the gospel of matthew he says when i was hungry, you fed me, christ said, god says, when i was hungry you fed me, when i was homeless you sheltered me and when i was naked, you clothed me. when i was in prison, you visited me. a very important value for us to

have. [applause] we share that value, we all share our respect for our great mayor, mayor london breed. [applause] >> well, first of all, i have so many thoughts running through my head at this moment because of all the people that are joining us here today. madam speaker, we are so lucky and blessed to have you as our speaker of the house, as someone who continues to fight for the things that are so dear to us. i think that you know, people don't really realize the battles that you deal with on a regular basis, not with making sure that san francisco is okay and that you know, united playaz and other organizations and resources are provided but also taking care of

the entire country. looking at the bigger picture of why getting the right people in office is so significant, traveling all over this country to raise money and to elevate the message because when it is all said and done, getting the votes for so many important policies that help us address this issue, that's what makes change and the fact that you worked tirelessly on the safer communities act, what you're doing around assault, banning assault weapons and i just can go on and on about your leadership because it's helping all of us, you know, meet the need at this time, meet the challenge and come together in this remarkable way, so we are grateful for your leadership and when i think about what's happened over the years, i think

about my childhood and growing up with maddie scott's son and just george was a great person and then i see his sons now and it breaks my heart that he never got a chance to see what amazing kids he created but we are here to also make sure that they know who their dad was. you think about these kids who never even had a chance to go to prom, so i show up for these events whether i'm supervisor, mayor, it doesn't matter, a title matters not to me. what matters most to me is making sure that the next generation of young people growing up don't have to continue to experience the pain because of the loss of their relatives due to gun violence, of witnessing someone getting

shot and killed in their face at the age 12 which is what happened to me and people i grew up with. worried about what is happening in their school. doing drills to make sure that they are protected from gun violence in schools. i want to recognize and appreciate maddie scott, rudy, and shawn richard especially because for years these were in the trenches with no funding, no support for many, many years doing the hard work when no one was paying any attention to this issue in the capacity we see now and it's not something that we wanted people to have to experience. that's why they fought so hard. we never wanted organizations to have to emerge for this purpose.

it is so heartbreaking and frustrating at the same time. but i still have hope. i have hope because all of you are here, because of brady, because ever moms demand action, because of the consistency of rudy, shawn and maddie scott and because of our fearless leader, madam speaker pelosi. i have hope that we're going to get to where we need to go because it's not just reacting to these situations after they occur. it's about prevention too. it's about investments. it's about getting to our kids before they even get to that point where they even think about picking up a gun, before they -- that shouldn't be a thought in their head and part of that journey of trying to get to a better place means investments and this is why in san francisco we invest a lot of resources into programs and things that we know are

going to make a difference, that we know are going to have a tremendous impact not only of our young people but also though who may or may not have made a mistake in their lives and come home and deserve a second chance. they deserve an opportunity and then we hope that the next generation will learn from those experiences and never want to get in a position like that where they get locked up in the first place. there's work that needs to be done and we're doing the work in san francisco. and i'm grateful and proud of the work especially that our police chief is doing, we got a $6 million grant in order to address violence prevention in order to invest in preventing the kinds of outcomes that happened because of gun violence from happening and i'm grateful to be here also with our district attorney brook jenkins and our supervisor matt dorsey, partners in the efforts to ensure that when we talk about --

[applause] -- criminal justice reform, we're talking about real criminal justice reform, real second chances and preventing problems from happening in the first place. we have so much work to do but i'm still hopeful. i'm hopeful for the future. i'm hopeful because i know we're going to continue to advocate until the job is done. i'm hopeful because of the investments that we're going to continue to make. we had a couple of really tragic incidents that occurred in san francisco over the last couple of weeks. heartbreaking situations, things that should have been prevented. there's a lot of hurt people out there because of this and maddie scott always say hurt people hurt people. and so, healed people are a blessing, they are a blessing to making sure the world is a better place. it's time for us to continue to roll up our sleeves and get the job done. we have a lot of work

ahead of us but all of you make such a difference in the work that's ahead and i'm excited to be working with you on getting the job done, so thank you so much again to all of the folks who are joining us here today and at this time, i really want to bring up a woman who needs no introduction. you know, ms. maddie, i have known her since i was a kid and you know, she's a spiritual woman, she's a praying woman and godly woman and it wasn't just about her kids and her grandkids in our community. she always showed so much love to all of the kids in the neighborhood. it's why she developed a reputation for being the person that everyone goes to especially when they are going through a very challenging time in their lives, so maddie, you have uplifted so many people in your life so today we uplift you and we thank you and we thank

god for you for your work and everything you have done, for sharing your experience, turning the tragedy of your life into an advocacy moment that turned lives around, even if you can't see it everyday, it has happened and so we thank god for you and we appreciate you and at this time, ladies and gentlemen, let's give maddie scott a round of applause. [applause] >> thank you for that, mayor breed. who would have been my daughter in law, y'all. [laughter] okay. i was working on it. [laughter] i was working on it. but first giving honor to god for allowing all of us to be here today on this beautiful day. it is for

his glory that his sun is shining down on all of us because he knows our hearts. he knows each and every one of our hearts and he knows that we care, we care about lives. he knows that we want to better day for our children. he knows that. and so i'm just grateful that all of you are here today. i'm very humbled and very proud to be standing before you where i turned -- where i was able to turn my tragedy into triumph and turn my pain into purpose. i could no longer lay myself on the crouch drinking myself to death and locked up and secluded and locked up and i have a praying mother that just turned one hundred years old, y'all. one hundred years old. [applause] and i have to honor her today

because i wouldn't be standing here today, you all, if it wasn't for her because i wanted to give up. i wanted to die. i felt like the world had killed me when my son's life was taken and she said no, no, no, no. no, you must go on. you must go on. you must get up. you can't quit. and so, i honor my mother everywhere i go and i thank god for her and i thank god for our ferocious speaker, congressional leader that represents us here in san francisco, that represents our nation and our country, house speaker, not just our speaker but our friend, our sister, our mother, she's a mother, so she knows what we are feeling. she knows what we go through and that's none other than house speaker nancy pelosi. our congress leader. [applause] who i'm so dedicated and

grateful to for choosing me to be one of the california electors, to cast the vote for president biden and vice-president, our girl kamala harris. i'm grateful for you giving me that opportunity. i thank you and for our mayor london breed.... [applause] and to our mayor london breed who has been a champion all through the community from aaa cc to the mayor's at city hall, being our mayor at city hall, we're grateful to you, mayor breed. your heart is just full of compassion. we thank you, speaker pelosi, leona bridges and christine and all of that

are involved every year, every year, every year, they put on a dinner for us for mother's day. we were in front of city hall protesting every mother's day because we wanted people to know what mother's day felt like. it wasn't a good day for us but because of leona bridges and the, and mayor breed and christine, we thank you guys for what you do for us at third baptist church every year and dr. amy sea brown as well. you make our mother's day happen, you do. yes! and to our chief of police, chief scott who came in and rolled up your sleeves and do work with us continually to help fight this situation that we have with crime and violence. we have a remarkable team and don't let me forget our brady

team. our brady team is on the ground 24/7, you all, 24/in legislation, and sheila hamilton, our vice-president of organizing and kat, i always get -- i can't say her name right but anyway, i want you to know that everyday, everyday, every month, we are in meetings, every wednesday we're in meetings, on the ground running from dc, all over the country to change legislation in this country that's going to be better for our children with the school memo project, with safer storage, okay and our governor gavin newsom who passed majority of every bill we put forward in the state of california and rudy corpuz, my brother from another mother. my partner, i want to thank you for all you do, how you always represent us mothers and how you always keep your

door opens and you and misha and your staff and welcome home to all you brothers and welcome home to all of you because we mothers, we have been to san quinton and we're not afraid and we went years ago, what was it 20 years ago, men with no more tears and we shared our grief, our pain and turn their lives around and low and behold, look what we have. we have brothers and sisters coming out of quinton and vacaville and other places to do this work and that's what we need and want, to turn it around because we don't agonize, we organize. we don't agonize, we organize. let's say it. we don't agonize, we organize. come on now. we don't agonize, we organize shawn

richards, my brother. shawn richards lost two brothers from gun violence. at my side ever since and knew my son. shawn was with us because when there was a gun (indiscernible) at the palace, that was a week of violence and sunnyvaly sunnyvale, but brady unites mraz y'alls and my sister who taught us to go out and protest and fund a cal palace and we wouldn't allow you to sell guns in our community. that's activism, you all. that's activism. that's activism. that's what we do. we don't agonize, we organize. we don't criticize, we organize. we don't jeopardize, we organize. because

these (indiscernible), this is about all of us than none of us. we will stop the killing and start the healing, we will go to graduations and not funerals. we will vote for those senators that we need in the white house to change this demographic of gun violence around in our nation. we did it with the woman's movement. we did it with the civil rights movement. they said we couldn't do it and said we would never vote and never stop jim crowe and they are saying we'll never end gun violence and i have faith. i have faith of a mustard seed that we can and we will stop gun violence in our nation because this is about all of us and all of us mom's against gun violence demand action, all lives matter. you know, i look at us today and i'm so grateful and so thankful,

i have a grandson on the way, my grandson -- my son is a grandfather in heaven and he has a granddaughter and grandson on the way. i thank god for that. i wouldn't be standing here if it wasn't for you all. i wouldn't be standing here if it wasn't for you, for god, for my mother, i wouldn't be standing here, you all. i be would the couch and so that's why i worked so hard to pick up other mothers, that's why we work so hard, liz and sherrie and all of our mothers when another mother is in trouble, we're there to pick them up, to lift up their bowed down head, so we're praying right now because today is one of our dear sisters who has been on the battlefield a long time and today is her daughter's anniversary, i don't know if she's here. sharicia, 24 years ago she was killed violently on third street. so today, we honor s hr ika wesley

because lynn gives her life 24 hours a day to this job, leading with mothers, leading at the crime scene and preparing the funerals, after care with us to help those mothers and our healing circles so lynn is not here but we honor sharika and honor lynn for all you do. oh, we're grateful today. you guys have made my day today. i'm grateful to our mayor breed who was the first mayor, you all, to sign the ghost gun ban legislation, the first mayor in the country with our board of supervisors and katherine stefani, we had great leaders here, from our speak are to our mayor, to our supervisors and to our police chief and to all our activist. to all of you and to speaker pelosi staff, dan

bernal, mr. hope, christine who is not here, all of your staff and mayor breed, your staff. they are always there for us no matter what. the people behind the scenes. we thank you. we thank you because we couldn't get this job done without you because this is about all of us and none of us. we wanted to go to graduations and not funeral asks we want our kids to excel and not look over their shoulders while in a classroom and we want them to play freely on the school yard, so the only way we're going to get that done is in the voting booth, y'all. in the voting booth, you got to vote and support the senators from ohio and pennsylvania. you got relatives and families back there, spread the word. spread the word to get those people elected because those people represent us you. they represent what we do on a daily basis because as i say, this is about all of us or none of us. we will stop the killing and

start the healing. all lives matter. all lives matter because i want to hear you say it, we don't agonize, we organize. can i hear you. we don't agonize, we organize. i don't hear you. we don't agonize, we organize. we organize for justice, for peace, for life, for goodness, for education, for housing, that's what we do. we don't agonize, we're going to organize and right now, i want to bring up my sisters who lost both her sons who i loved dearly who has been in this trenches with me for over 20 years inside of san quinton at the vigils and on the phone midnight trying to come many a mother down telling her to put down that bottle and going to another mother's house in the we hours to comfort her,

that's the work we do, that's the work you don't hear about. to prevent suicide and as you know, this is suicide prevention week. so, pray for our families, pray for our children. pray for them because we have a fentanyl epidemic going on and other violence going on but thank god for our leaders who represent us and thank god for united playaz and brady team and i love each of you and you're in my prayers, brother damian, just for us and i love you my brother. so right now without further or do, i want to bring up liz torres from healing for our families and our nation. [applause] >> hello. my name is elizabeth torres. ah, a native san franciscan. and mate that you

brought up sharon. many of you know don't know that sharon teaches mothers when alive and taught me in san mateo county, daly city police department how to deal with investigators. she told me what to get, what to bring, be prepared she said, be prepared. and i did. and i always keep that dear to me, so god bless you, sharon. i have to read because off the cuff, it's too emotional, so i want to stay on script here, so please forgive me. good afternoon, my name is elizabeth torres of healing for our families and nation. and mores in charge. i am the proud mother of francisco garcia pena, age 19, in 2004, when he was murdered with

assault weapon. five years later, my son garcia age 24 in 20009 would be murdered and back in 2004, there weren't many places a mother or family members could go to do seek help beside the witness, not the witness, i'm sorry, 850 bryant and then god bless mitchell salazar, he said hey i've got folks you need to meet and he introduced me to mattie scott at a healing circle and that was the first time a mother could go to a place like that, confidential, protected, just to release all the hurt, the burden and i had a lot of anger back

then. a lot and it almost drove me nuts going in the street, odd hours, places i should never be going to, looking for who killed my kid. and it's devastating, devastating. so, you do not want to imagine the shock, the loss, the trauma, the daily pain of years it takes to go from victim to survivor. it takes all the strength and will of a higher power in you to fight back, to refuse to accept that our sons and daughters can be stolen from you without consequence, to have to return and perform and produce as though these traumas never happened. i have been in this battle for over 18 years for gun violence prevention and education with the help of my family and community. i have

solicited help from being not incarcerated and providing support while going through the jurisdiction system in my son's case. that's the clean aspect of it. but i was going to san quinton, was to offer anybody a care package, money for word on how to solve my sons' cases and i couldn't see myself living, breathing without doing something, fighting, no, you cannot take a child from parents, kill them and then just go about your business, no, you can't. you've got to fight back. and there was a lot of tug back behind those walls because they felt like, i got a story. i've been hurt, you know, it's not just you, you mothers coming

behind the wall. we got something to offer too. and it took a few years but we got it. we got it and surprising, they actually helped me -- when the people that were responsible for my son's first death, they actually helped me because the biggest fear i wanted to address is i wanted to know, what happens to you when you're behind the walls? do you think of the victims that you have murdered? because our families sure thinks of you guys. and i know that's not popular but they honestly answered me and that was the biggest console. they helped me in court and guiding me, i'm asking them, why isn't he looking at me? why aren't

they looking at me? they robbed me. they stole something from me. and they would explain and teach me no, they cannot. they cannot do that. they've been instructed not to do that. so, i got it. so, i give a lot of my healing to no more tears because it helped me deal with my anger and they were honest enough when i asked the most intimate questions, do you think of the victims on the day that you murdered them. do you think of the birthdays? do you think of your birthday while you're here? and they said to me that, you know, when we go to sleep and we rest, everything goes. but it's waking up and dealing with that and moving on in the yard, in the cell block, that's what it is and it just helped me. it

helped heal me. i have consulted with parents that have been affected by violence, sharing my experience and navigating with law enforcement and the superior court system. i'm so appreciative of this administration for all the positive work taken to combat gun violence, giving us hope and that justice will prevail with an urgency has much-needed and we have waited a long time but i'm glad that god got you in the right place. thank you! and thank you to (indiscernible). i want to personally thank you, house speaker nancy pelosi for representing us in congress, for commonsense legislation and to our mayor london breed who signed the ghost gun legislation and to our brother rudy who are

from united playaz and his team for your leadership, strength and guidance and who took the time to be in attendance and today i would like to introduce laura. [applause] >> hi. thank you so much to speaker pelosi and united playaz, thank you for inviting me today. i'm the managing director of law center to prevent gun violence, our organization was founded in the aftermath of a terrible tragedy that took place at a law firm at an office building in san francisco, 101 california street. not to far from where we stand today. in 2016 we joined forces with the organization founded by former congresswoman from arizona gaby gifford and she was shot on january 8th, 2011, while meet with constituents in her hometown of tucson, arizona, is and the shooter killed six people and

wounded 13 but despite her injuries, gaby embarked on rehabilitation and her commitment to the american people never wavered to this day and she leads our effort as an organization to save lives from gun violence. gun violence is a crisis that is growing at alarming rates, gun deaths have been sparking across the nation in 2020, there were over 45,000 gun deaths and preliminary data is telling us that in 2021, it will be close to 49,000. the violence is expansive, but the toll of everyday gun violence is disproportionate are felt in black and community communities and this is a marathon not a sprint. it's something we have had success with in the state level in recent years, since the tragedy at sandy hook elementary in 2012, we and others in the

gun violence prevention movement some of whom are here today helped pass more than 460 state gun laws in 45 different states and? laws like filling loopholes in domestic laws were flagged. let me say that that act is the most significant gun safety legislation enacted in nearly 30 years and it was a tremendous victory. [applause] some of the things, the legislation does many things including barring some of dating partners from obtaining firearm, making straw purchasing and trafficking federal crimes and investing in programs that support community violence, intervention and prevention and many other things. but the enactment of this historic law is just the beginning. the law will only be effective if we fully and safely implement it.

that's why gifford is working federal departments, sub agencies, state and local officials to implement this law. i wanted to mention two other bills passed in the house. the protecting our kids act which, if enacted it would raise the federal minimum age to buy a rifle or shot gun and ban gust guns and have a gun access prevention law and other things and in july the house passed the assault weapons ban with five bipartisan support and it will ban the manufacturer of assault weapon for civilian use and gun owners can maintain their weapons and ban the manufacturer and sale of large are ammunition magazines which is the thread in mass shooting. gifford been at the forefront of this fight for a long time and we're not backing down. we need to keep the momentum going and we need courageous legislatures like

nancy pelosi and i need to introduce claire from moms demand action. >> good afternoon, this is a mural of my son camillo. i want to start by thanking ael ex, from mom's demand action and rudy from united playaz for making this happen and i would like to thank eli who was a childhood friend in camillo, they were going to the middle school together. he was born and raised in san francisco. it's a city he loved so much. he worked as an emt for ambulance as he went to paramedic school with the goal of working for the san francisco fire department. the day after he finished paramedic school he went out to celebrate and shot ask killed by a

21-year-old stranger as he was leaving the club and i was told he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. and that seems to describe our country at this moment in time. we have a problem with gun violence and too many mothers who live with this unbearable grief. this is a mural of camillo but it represents all those who we have lost to gun violence, to sense ms gun violence and all of us who stand up and say we don't have to live like this. i also want to thank matti and elizabeth, when they spoke, we all -- we all lost our children in different ways, our children were all different and as mothers, we have experienced the same things and i was on the couch for many years drinking and i often, i also found relief going to san quinton sitting with the circles and i went out in angry and came out with my heartbroken and i remember

sitting in a circle of offenders who committed homicide when they were teenagers and i told them i dedicated my life for working for gun violence prevention and that's my way of dealing with this and every one of them said, wow, if there wasn't a gun so easy to pick up when i was a kid, we wouldn't be here. we're not monsters. it was easy. to bring speaker pelosi up, i want to speak of my mom, i first met speaker pelosi at john luis's sit-in congress and my 88-year-old mom was there and loved to follow politics and i asked speaker pelosi to meet her which she kindly did and my mother went up to her and say i will not die in peace until you're speaker again. [laughter] and then a few years later, she

was and we were at a vigil, at a church in san francisco and she came over to say hi to my mom and my mom said to her, now, i can die in peace. [laughter] and then she turned to me, and said she understands because she's catholic. and my mother died in year at 92 years old in peace. thank you very much. >> [audience awe] [applause] >> and may your mother rest in peace knowing that you are at peace or striving to be there. it must be very hard. well, you see this, it says, see what it says here, it says gun violence prevention day of action. it's a day of action around the country, and what better place for us to observe it here in san francisco than with rudy and

united playaz and with our people who presented today. and with each and every one of you, so we can say thank you to you. i'd like to recognize one really important word that we saw demonstrated here. courage! courage, the courage of mattiei and the courage of elizabeth and ms. torres, oh my gosh, and claire, your courage, your courage. it's really hard for us to imagine how we would cope with such a thing and then use that grief for action to help save other lives and comfort other people. let us salute their courage. that makes a difference. [applause] and laura, thank you for talking about the gifford and all that is happening with activism and all of this. when this bill, the bill that we passed and became law that mattie was shaking

hands with the president a minute after he signed the bill, when we were passing it, we thought is this really enough? is this really, should we settle for -- you know what i'm saying to you because it was so much more we wanted. we wanted background checks and assault weapon ban, we wanted some more things and i said to louie mcbeth, i said lucy i give you my vote and leadership of this caucus. if you say it's okay, we'll have the democratic vote for it and she said we absolutely must make this progress. so for all of us who wanted more, when we always want more, with lucy who lost her son jordan and she dedicated her life to helping alleviate the pain of others, she said it was good enough for her for now, for now, nonetheless, it will make a

difference and she said it will save lives and she spoke beautifully to our caucus in that regard. and so then we're here with our mayor, a leader, a model to the nation on how to channel the energy to guide the legislation, to make a difference, thank you, mayor on this day of action. and again, to see camillo, how beautiful with his giant's cap and his friend who portrayed that and to hear you claire, talk about him and your mother, multi-generationally and all of this, so this is a day of courage for the moms and we spend a lot of times, don't we, with the survivors and no words are adequate to comfort them. only action to get the job done to prevent further violence is a comfort. but we take their guidance, we listen to you. we

listen to you and your wisdom, your strength, your courage makes the difference, so i have no doubt that we will get the job done. our president is committed to it. you know how much time he spends with survivors and he has lost children not from gun violence but he's in that club, so the survivors welcome him in a different way than they might welcome the rest of us so she's determined that we will do more. and of course elections have ramifications. so all we want is we're not saying somebody should vote democrat or republican and everybody to vote for the children to stop gun violence for legislation that will do just that. so i'm here to say thank you to all of you for making our san francisco take of action, to prevent gun violence -- to make prevent gun violence

so successful and drum beat across our nation to save the children, so thank you for not agonizing but organizing and thank you so much. rudy, where is he? let's bring him back up. rudy, i don't know how he was as a little boy and ran around and i can't figure that out. [laughter] >> [audience, he's still bad.] >> whatever it is, he's god's blessing to you. thank you rudy. i yield back. >> hailey wants to say hi to you. >> come on, josh.