>> 2022, the meeting began at 10:01 a.m. secretary fuller, please call the roll. >> good morning. please respond with here or present. when newhouse segal? >> present. >> paul woolford have a planned absence. lauren post? >> here.

>> chair post is present. stoou. >> present. >> vice-chair zoubi is present with three members present. we do have quorum for the public works commission. due to the on going covid-19 health emergency and given the public health recommendations issued by the san francisco department of public health and the emergency orders of the governor and the mayor concerning social distancing and lifting the restrictions on teleconference, this meeting is being held via teleconference and being streamed by sf gov tv. for those of you watching the live stream, be aware there's a brief time lag between the live meeting and what is being shown on sf gov tv. on behalf of the commission, i would like to extend our thanks to sf gov tv media services and building management staff for their assistance putting on this meeting. a reminder to commissioners, staff, and the public are next

meeting will take place monday, november 14th in this hearing room number 408. this is different from our normal meeting date of the third fridays of the month. for members of the public wishing to make comment on an item from outside the hearing room, you would dial 415-655-0001. and use the meeting id, 24847489090. followed by pound and pound again. and to be recognized, you would press star three on your touch pad. please note that you must limit your comments to the topic of the agenda item being discussed unless you're speaking under the general public comment item. to remind you, if you do not stay on the topic, the chair may interrupt you and ask you to limit your comment to the agenda

item. we ask that public comment be made in a civil and respectful manner and you refrain from the use of profanity. please address your remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or staff. chair post? >> thank you. before calling the next item, i would like to amend the agenda with three items. first of all, i would like to move item 3b from the consent calendar to the regular calendar. is department staff prepared to present the 911 call center renovation construction award at the beginning of the regular calendar or the end of the regular calendar? thank

you. we will then hear item 3b, the 911 call center renovation construction contract award as our first item of business under regular items, so it's item no. four on the agenda. my other two agenda amendments are to postpone item 4 as it is today. the san francisco police department traffic company and forensic services division, increase to construction duration contingency to our regular meeting november 14th and postpone item 8, the public works department director hiring update to our next regular meeting on november 14th. regarding the first item, the traffic company item, in response to advice provided by the city attorney's office related to a recalifornia cal court of appeals division

regarding issues that intersect with ceqa and "brown act," dpw staff recommends postponing this until the november 14th. this shouldn't have impacts on the project. item 8, the hiring update, the deputy director, kate howard received two proposals for recruitment of the department director. d hr's presentation in these proposals will be ready for our next meeting november 14th and she request we postpone this item until then. i will be moving to postpone both items four and eight to our agenda on november 14th. is there a second to this motion? >> i'll second it. >> thank you. any opposition? the motion is approved. >> question. >> yes. >> commissioner zoubi. >> november 14th is the next

meeting which is monday. >> yes. >> thank you. >> yes, that would be unusual. it will be on a monday and not a friday. thank you for clarifying that. are there any other request from commissioners to amending our agenda today any further? all right, hearing none. moving on to the next item on the agenda which -- are my announcements. i do have one which is to call the commission and the public's attention to the october issue of the department's in the works newsletter and it's on the department's website at sf public works dot org in the about us section. i recommend it to everybody so they can get another glimpse of the very, the many projects that the department brings to resolution successful. that concludes my

comments. we will move on to item no. 1, secretary fuller, please call that item. >> thank you. item one is general public comment. members of the public may address the commission(s) on topics that are within the subject matter of the commission(s) but are not part of this agenda. comments specific to an item on the agenda may be heard when that item is considered. members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes. general public comment may be continued to the end of the agenda if speakers exceed 15 minutes of general public comment. members the public who wish to make three minutes of general public comment may line up against the wall furthest from the door if you're here with us in the chambers. calling in, dial 415-655-0001 and use the

access code, 24847489090. followed by pound and pound again and then press star three to be recognized and unmuted. and looking in the chamber, it does not appear we have any commenters with us physically. sf gov tv is indicating there are no callers in the queue for general public comment. we have no general public comment at this time. >> thank you, mr. fuller. we'll move on to item no. two. please call that item. >> item two is the director's report. interim director of public works, carla short is here to present the report. this is an informational item. >> thank you. thank you,

secretary fuller. good morning, commissioners. carla short, interim director for san francisco public works. i have a few items that i wanted to bring to your attention. the first being the opening of the southeast community center. this was a really amazing event that brought together the community, mayor breed, senator wiener, supervisor walton and our own city architect and many of our staff who worked on this project attended the opening t. was a really joyful event. it's an incredible project. i would encourage you to go check it out. it's a remarkable civic endeavor. our architects landscape architects engineers designed the project. it's a 45,000 square foot area and two acres. the division management

team did the oversight of the building of the project on behalf of our client, the san francisco public utilities commission. dozens of people on our team worked on this project and i think it was a hugely successful project and really exciting to see the community so engaged and celebrating the opening so that was wonderful. that was two weeks ago, i should note. the address of that is 1550 evans if you want to swing by. it's just really a wonderful project. we also had a big milestone for a project we're managing, the potrero yard. we got media coverage. the san francisco transport taegs agency, board of directors approved a key milestone for the potrero project which is to

transform a potrero old bus -- a housing development built on top with up to 575 affordable rentals for low to moderate-income tenants so the board gave the staff the go ahead to execute the predevelopment agreement with an outside development team. po po was built in -- potrero was built in 1915 at bryant and 17th and ham shirley and mariposa. this is a big project for the city. it represents the first time that, in the nation and maybe the world that housing will be built on top of a transit facility. i think it's -- really an interesting concept and if successful could be a game-changer in how we review transit facilities, so we're always looking at building more housing but this achieves both building more housing and upgrading our house transit and that's pretty critical for san francisco, i think. bdc is going

to be project managing this very, very significant project. it's exciting that we reached this milestone and we're advancing. i also wanted to let you know about our pavement condition index skoerz. those are referred to as pci scores. that means that there's an annual assessment that the regional metropolitan transportation commission scores to ray the condition of roads and -- to rate the condition of roads and it's a three year average so we have our pavement index score. the bay area had a score out of 67 out of 100 which is considered fair. they sound like to me. [laughter] but 67 is considered fair. the good news for us is we have been holding steady at 74 and san

francisco was the only one of the bay areas three largest cities to rank in the good category. that puts up into good. san jose by comparison had the average score of 67 and oakland sadly was scored 53 which is considered at risk. this year, we're investing $77 million on our paving program to reach our 500 block target and to decide which blocks are repaved, we're guided by a geographical lens. we see where erosion of each tree streets and streets move from one category to another. when i started this job i was like why don't we focus on the worst streets. and that -- it's a constantly changing situation, so depending on if there was a lot of construction or if we have a wet

winter, a street that was, you know, considered fair might suddenly drop to be very poor and it would get prioritized for paving so it's a constantly moving target in materials of which streets we focus on. i also wanted to give another brief update, we've talked about this a number of times, our street vending enforcement. that program initially, we focused on street vending and the mission and china town. our inspectors branched out to the excelsior and mid-market areas. as mentioned in your report last week, the inspectors began i am pounding items from vendors who don't have a permit. this was considered the critical elements of this legislation to really act as a deterrent so we have begun to do that. we are also in the process of hiring more street inspectors. we completed our interview process for our

street inspector supervisors and getting the street inspectors hired. there's a huge amount of demand. we get request all the time. lastly, i wanted to let you know about our public works podcast series. two years ago, our communications team launched the first podcast initiative that allows us to hear from our employees about personal terms that resonate with them and the department. in our first series, it was called snapshots ratio justice. staff members spoke about their own experiences around race and racism. the next series is, was called snapshots still we rise which was focused on covid and how the pan depth i can changed our lives -- how the pandemic changed our lives at home and work. the newest one is women, leaders and public service. so we hear from women

in our workforce and how they navigate public works fields that were traditionally dominated by men and may still be dom -- be dominated by men. they are archive on the sound cloud -- sound cloud dot com slash sf public works, you can listen. they are really, i think, very moving podcast. i would really encourage you to listen to them. you get to meet our employees in a very different context and i have really enjoyed listening to them and i think it's a unique way to hear about the impacts to our employees and what they have lived through that led them to be who they are today and working for the city. it's a cool podcast series and we're excited about the new series that's just dropping now. and with that, that is my director's

report for this meeting. >> thank you, director short. i think all of us had the opportunity to tour the southeast community center when it was still under construction but nearing completion and i would echo your comments, it's a breathtakingly beautiful facility. and a credit to the department and to the city, frankly. so, i'm excited to hear that the opening was so well attended by neighborhood residents and workers and it will be -- i anticipate it will be heavily used. it's a welcoming and beautiful facility. congratulations on that. when we toured dpw's projects, we did have the opportunity to see a paving program in action but i was dismayed on that particular block to note that the curbs weren't in the greatest shape and were not going to be affected by that project and that was frustrating because if i lived on that block, after i

would have a lovely new road by my curb would be shopped up and rough and sharp and unsafe. i would urge the department, if it's -- if that falls under a different department, whoever that is, that future paving streets to the pavement to the curbs to the ramp program at the corners, street tree health on that block and if that block is going to be torn up for those who live there and have businesses there, let's get it all done at the same time. and so, i imagine we'll be hearing presentations in the months ahead from people in the department that run this paving program and i would look forward to them incorporating into their response and responding to my comments and how the city can do a better job when upgrading pavement on a street. >> thank you, we'll be sure to

incorporate those. >> thank you. >> are there any questions or comments on director short's report. commissioner zoubi? >> again, thank you, carla, for the report. it's great to hear that the southeast community center is finished. i want to see it because when we went there, it was still under construction. i would love to check it out and the potrero project, so how long is that going to take or is it almost -- >> that's a long duration project. i don't have the exact details but i can get those for you. >> great. >> we've just started the predevelopment negotiation, so we're at the very beginning phase but it's going to be a really important project. >> great. and then, yeah. thank you for updating us on this. i wasn't going to talk about this but since our chair mentioned it, so, i hear a lot of comments from residents and business

owners about the coordination of these projects, so like when you're paving a street, are they looking at the curb, are they looking at the trees on that block? is that happening or like just this morning, i heard someone talking about, oh, well, first, pg&e and finish and the next month, puc comes and finishes, so is anything being done to control these and to schedule those projects, just for the convenience of the residents of san francisco and business owners? >> yes. there is and we do have policies that try to encourage coordination and we routinely, what we call join with other projects so we coordinate with other city partners like the puc, if they are doing a sewer project, we coordinate our paving so it doesn't happen before they do their sewer

project but after. actually, some of what people may be complaining about is in fact that coordination and practice that pg&e and may come through first because they have to move a facility or upgrade a facility and they can't necessarily be working simultaneously within the puc but if they are happening in rapid succession, that's what we want to see because we'll come through and pave and then there's a moratorium on cuts into the street for five years unless it's an emergency or an upgrade. so we also have this notion of complete streets so we try to address all elements at once. unfortunately because the way the different projects get funded and the different priorities that a department may have, we're not always able to do a complete streets project. and so, we do have occasions where the paving is limited to the roadbed itself and we're not addressing the other your tills

or the other issues at that time. i think we definitely need to continue to look at better coordination and especially with the internal work that we do looking at that coordination and whether that's possible to improve for sure. so, i think that's something that is -- that we'll continue to look at with your guidance, but we do already do a fair amount of trying to coordinate with other city agencies and with the utilities when we're doing major projects so we minimize disruption. it's still a disruption but try to minimize it and once we're done, we're out of there, hopefully it's nice and quiet for a number of years. >> five years. i noted that -- i usually don't make big -- encourage -- when you say you encourage other departments, is there anything we can do as a commission or the city of san francisco to maybe push that encourage a little bit and not forced in between at least or --

>> i will defer to our coordination team on that and maybe we can come back to you with ideas. >> great, thank you. >> thank you. >> last but not least about the vendors, are those permits citywide or are these permits limited to blocks, neighborhoods, sidewalks? >> so, they are citywide within the right-of-way. and there are guidelines that exist for where vendors can setup within the right-of-way. so we have to maintain path of travel, you can't be in a bus zone, so we have a number of guidelines that in some cases will preclude allowing a vendor, so if the sidewalk is too narrow, then we will not be able to permit someone to be in their preferred location you what we typically do is say what's your first choice location and if we can't allow it because it doesn't meet the guideline, we'll work with them to see if there's a nearby location to allow them to be permitted to sell so the permit is required citywide. there's a few exclusion zones where we're

not allowed to issue permits and u.s. plaza is one of those zones but it's a factor of the site conditions and whether we can allow it, given those site conditions. >> and our businesses involved -- are our businesses involved in issuing permits like having someone have a citywide permit with accessories in front of a jewelry store? is there any consideration to that? >> oh, sure. i apologize. i misunderstood your first question. it's a citywide program but the permit is site-specific, so a permitee has to specify where they intend to sell their wears and we have to kind of confirm that meets the site, meeting our guidelines ask we would -- meets our go squalid lines and issue the permit. once handed the permit, they can't go anywhere in the city. it's site-specific. >> got it. >> it's a new program but we've been working with neighborhood associations and merchant groups

to get the word out. they've been supportive because they do not, in many cases do not benefit from unpermitted vendors right outside so we're trying to take their considerations in when issuing these permits. >> thank you. >> commissioner newhouse segal. >> thank you. i'm very impressed with your knowledge of how this really works, so thank you very much for your report on the work but also on your ability to answer these questions, which are very complicated so thank you. i learned just in your brief answer and not your brief -- but your answer to commissioner zoubi, i learned a lot that i wasn't aware of but things i had questions about as commissioner post has about how things really work, so i'd like to know, how we let the public

know about this? i hear you send notices out to neighborhood groups about permits for vending. but i never knew there was a moratorium on how, if construction has been done, public access and roadways and sidewalks and whatever, that there's a moratorium for a certain number of years that can't be done again. it certainly doesn't seem like that to neighbors and i kept, you know, i was taking notes and making new questions i have for you but i think there's one large overriding question, could we, i think, maybe you already do it but if we could have a video or a program that's even maybe announced as an open meeting that is followed by neighbors about how we interact with other departments and what

changes they will see to their homes and businesses and their commute. that would answer questions because i'm on the board of neighborhood association and we get complaints. i don't think anybody understands it the way you all do and it changes so the other thing is, a lot of this is what sas is involved in. and i would like -- this is premature. it would be great for us to hear more about what they are doing because our constituents and our an appointmenting body -- appointing bodies expect us to know more about what they are doing too. so, i would love to understand that and semens, see

their agendas and possibly even have somebody from their commission attend our commission meetings, not as a commissioner but to be here to see ours and we can have somebody from our commission attend theirs and not the always the same person but if we're going to be working together as a common goal, that would be something we should consider, thank you very much. i still don't understand what we have to do with it but i'm glad to know. >> we can certainly look at that. it will say when we go into a neighborhood with a project, we do have public information officers who do a lot of outreach with that particular neighborhood but i think one of the things that we don't necessarily have a way, an easy way of reaching is, you know, if somebody happens to commute through that neighborhood and they may not be

getting the information. i know we're working on, we have a program that is available on the website where you can look up and see, what is the construction in my neighborhood or what's the construction along my commute and then it will give you contact information. we are in the process of actually selecting a new vendor for that and so, we're probably going to have a little bit of transition time as we import all that information into a new program we hope will be user-friendly but part of that goal is to make the impacts and we get feedback from other city agencies to include in that as well so it's not just public works projects but utility projects and other city agencies are supposed to be loaded into that software system so you can see, this is a sewer project. i can contact puc so we'll keep you up-to-date as we advance that new software as well. >> thank you so much. i'm impressed with the depth of your knowledge and the brand. thank

you. >> yeah, commissioner zoubi? >> yeah. i remember when i served as the president of the north beach business association, i was actually receiving an e-mail of all the scheduled works in the neighborhood and i'm happy to hear this is going to be public website that everyone can access. great, thank you. is this the time for me to ask for next times or should i do it in new business? >> i think that will be at another point in the agenda for new business. you'll have an opportunity to do it in the meeting later. >> okay, thank you. >> great, thank you. i guess i'll respond to commissioner newhouse segal and take it upon myself to reach out to the chair of the sas commission because regardless of prop b's outcome next week, that commission remains as a standing commission

and so, i like your idea. i think given the frequency of our meetings, what i would suggest if this meets with your approval is we rotate attendance at the commission meeting, so we all take turns. they all take turns if they choose and if they like this idea and like to send a delegate to our commission meetings, my guess is again, given the time commitment, i think it's reasonable that we all take turns and we can even have a standing item in our agendas for a brief report by, whichever commissioner attended the sas commission on what transpired there so if that sounds like a plan, am i -- commissioner zoubi, does that sound like a plan? i'll propose that to the commission, the sas chair and we'll see what he thinks and -- >> do you mean one of our commissioners sitting in? >> as audience member. or you can maul it over and we can take this up at the next meeting

because i won't act on it until commissioner woolford is here but i can talk to the other commission chair in meantime and get a read from him on his commission if you wish. >> also, we can get a copy of their meeting minutes. >> that could work out too. why don't we mull it over. >> that's true. as the clerk, i can make sure those are distributed to all commissioners and distributing them as requested up to this point but can provide them. >> great. i'm going to withdraw my remarks and bring them up in new business and we can talk about this further and put it on the agenda potentially next week when all four are attending. all right. so any other questions or discussion for director short on her report? all righty. >> madam chair, i just learned that we do in fact have a construction video, so maybe in my next director's report, it's

very brief and i can show it to you all. hopefully, we can get the technology to work, if not, we'll send you the link to that. >> okay. all right. hearing no further questions or discussion on director short's report. thank you for your report. it's always informative and helpful. we'll move on to item no. 3. >> chair post, we need to take public comment. >> i beg your pardon. thank you very much. can you please open public comment on item no. 2. >> yes. members of the public who wish to make three minutes of comment on item two, the director's report may line up against the wall furthest from the door if in the meeting chamber. if you're joining us from, online, you would dial 415 -- pardon me, 415-655-0001 and

use the meeting access code, 24847489090. and then press star and star or pardon me, press pound and then pound again. and to be recognized, you would press star three to raise your hand to speak. looking in the chamber, there are no members of the public wishing to speak on this item. sf gov tv, do we have any callers in the queue? they are indicating there's nobody on the queue waiting to speak. we have no further public commenters. >> thank you, secretary fuller. we will now move on to item no. 3. the consent calendar of routine matters and please call that item. >> item three is the consent

calendar of routine matters. this is the second time the commission is using the consent calendar and after the changes to the agenda, it only includes the minutes from the october 21, 2022, meeting as the construction contract award for the 911 call center will be heard on the regular agenda. for the minutes from the october 21, 2022, meeting, i wanted to note that they have been corrected with a typo in item 4 and then also attribution error in item 6b as well as a correction to item 6c also an attribution error. and so, i'm happy to hear any other corrections to the minutes that commissioners may

have. >> do any commissioners have any further corrections to the minutes from our prior meeting? hearing none and before i ask for a motion to adopt the minutes, i have a question for deputy city attorney tom. commissioner zoubi had prearranged absence from our prior meeting and so he was not here to hear the items that are summarized in the minutes. we cannot approve the minutes today if commissioner zoubi does not vote to approve them since we always require three votes for a quorum until we have five members on the commission. my experience on other san francisco government bodies is that if commissioner zoubi chooses, he may rely on the judgment of his fellow commissioners who were at the meeting who do feel the minutes as amended or introduced are accurate. he may vote to approve the minutes today if he so

chooses to rely on commissioners newhouse segal and my approving the minutes. deputy city attorney tom, is that correct. may commissioner zoubi vote to approve minutes if he chooses rather than abstaining from that vote? >> good morning, commissioners. deputy city attorney, christopher tom, that's correct. and that's an rao addressed on page 166 of the good government guide. >> thank you very much. all right. commissioner zoubi, may i put you on the smot and if you'll be prepared to approve minutes today. if not, and feel free not to. we may move this vote to our next regular meeting? >> that's more than having a gavel in my hand. [laughter] let me think about it. i make a motion that we approve the minutes from the last meeting on october 21st. >> thank you. i'll second that. all in favor, please say yes or aye. >> aye [multiple voices] any opposition? the motion

passes. thank you. >> all righty. >> i'm sorry. we do need to actually take public comment before a vote can be taken on that. >> i apologize. that's my oversight once again. thank you. >> okay. so members of the public who wish to make three minutes of comment on the adoption of the consent calendar may, the adoption of the consent calendar and resolution may line up against the wall furthest from the door if in the hearing room or if calling in, dial 415-655-0001. use the meeting access code, 24847489090. and pressing pound and then pound again. and to raise your hand to be recognized, press star three. it does not appear there are any

members of the public in the chamber who wish to speak on this item. sf gov tv is also indicating that there are no members of the public in the queue wishing to speak, so that does conclude public comment. >> thank you, secretary fuller. if there's no debate on this motion, again, i will call the question, all those in favor of adopting the minutes from our prior meeting, please say aye. >> aye. [multiple voices] >> opposed, please say nay? and the motion now passes. secretary fuller will publish the amended minutes we have adopted to the commissions website. we will move on to item no. four, regular items for consideration, mr. fuller, please call that item. >> so based on the agenda changes adopted at the beginning of the meeting, item four will

actually now be the construction contract award of the 911 call center renovation and i believe we have the project manager here who is prepared to provide a brief presentation. lisa is here to speak on this item. >> good morning. hi. my name is lisa. and i'm a project manager with public works and i'm honored to be here this morning to present to you the 911 call center renovation project which is part of the easer bond 2020. rachel is here with me. she's our client representative from the department of sf, department

of emergency management. rachel and i have been working very closely in the past, i would say two years to get this project together and to this point. so, i will go to the next slide and this is an overview of the easer bond program and its history. the first easer bond stands for the aekt quake and safety emergency response -- earthquake and safety emergency response. it was passed with $423.1 million and the second pond passed for $400 millions and here we're in our third serer bond pass north dakota 2020 and consist of five different components and 911 center is five of those components at a value budgeted at $9 million. a little background about the 911 call center and the project, so the 911 call center is located at 1011 turk street. it's on the

second floor of the building. it's in the same building as the city's emergency operation center. the emergency operation center used to be on the first floor and 911 on the first floor. managed by the department of management and 911 call center operates 24 hours a day, 7 days a week nonstop. it's the busiest call centers in the whole united states and on average, they answer about 3,700 calls per day. and they are the first point of communication whenever someone makes a 911 call to report on crimes, accidents, emergencies or non-emergency situations. since 2011, there's evidence supporting 43% increase in call volumes. so, the facility really needs to be expanded to allow the department, you know, more space, increase their call

taking stations, to meet the rising demand of the 11 calls. -- 911 calls but with the $9 million bond, an expansion of the facility wouldn't be feasibility. we hired an architect and who came up with creative solution to increase the capacity of the workstations and increase space while working with existing footprints of the building. here's project description here, so this is an interior renovation of an existing building. there's no exterior modifications. we're working within the existing structural system so there's no structural alterations as part of this project and the project scope consist of selective demolition and construction of new interior walls, ceilings, floors, windows, and finishes and modifying the existing

electrical system, existing hvac system to suit the new floor plan. as part of the renovation process, we'll be delivering the following new programs to the space. they will be a new training office, there will be an in-larged policy room, slash conference room, there will be an in large dispatch operation floors and new break room, new line-up locker and resource room, there will be new offices, such as the scheduling office, the supervisor's office, new watch coordinators office and we'll have a new quiet room ask a wellness room, wellness/lactation room. new training rooms and the current building, currently has 50 call taking stations and with the increase of dispatch floor, we can increase the number of workstations to 55 plus a space for three additional future

additions as needed. we're also going to be reconfiguring and constructing a new elevated supervisor's bridge to allow the supervisors better coordination and enhance supervision of the dispatchers and i have included in this presentation a floor plan of the existing condition verses the proposed floor plan and if you have any questions, you can ask me. i'll be happy to explain and go through the floor plan. so, here's a timeline of the project. so, as previously mentioned, the eser bond was approved by voters in march 2020. the proceeds from the first bond sale became available by march 2021. and so, you know, public works and dm upon the -- the availability of the first bond sells proceeds, we entered into an agreement

quickly in april '21 to begin the project and the timeline now illustrates we began design in may '21. and we completed the project in december, completed the design of the project in december, 2021. and we submit the project into the building department to apply for a building permit in january and we're able to secure that building permit in april. and then we got the project ready to bid in may and we received the results in june and so, unfortunately, we had a bid protest on this project which set us back a few months. it did take the department about three-and-a-half months to resolve the big protest and to identify the lowest responsible and responsive bidder and now we're here to complete the contract certification process and to issue the construction

(indiscernible). our plan is to issue the construction notice to proceed sometimes in december and begin construction in january. it's a one-year construction project so about early 2024, the project will be completed and will be ready to close out. let me know if you have any questions at any time and i'd be happy to provide further details. we can always go back to it as well. here's a slide that shows the project budget. the project is estimated by our cost estimator at $4.3 million. i know commissioner post, you had a question about construction estimates for (indiscernible), a will you me to go back to this slide and i'll be able to explain that. so i'm going to go to the next slide and then i'll go back to the cost to review the cost estimate in detail. so, we had a bid opening june 29, 2022, and received three bids from three separate builders.

the lowest response bid was for a total bid price of $2.94 million. submit my rubacon general contract and the package was considered nonresponsible and the second lowest bidder is bueller commercial as a total cost of $3.395 million and the bid package was reviewed and the lowest responsible and responses bid. we're here to request the commissioners approval to award the construction contract to bueller contract at a total value of $3.395 million to renovate the 911 call center at 1011 turk street. so, let go back to the cost estimate and i think commissioner post you had a question about the difference between the estimate verses the

bid price. so, our engineers estimated this project at $4.3 million. the lowest responsive and most responsive bidder was, his bid was 3.395. there's a million dollars difference in the estimated cost verses the actual bid cost. and so this is the cost estimate provided by our cost estimator. this was done about a year ago in november 2021. and so, and at that time our estimator was trying to be very conservative with the construction cost because it was a time when the bid market and construction market was at high volatility. they were very uncertainties regarding material, availability and really steep rises in construction material costs, raw materials and also skills and labor so if we look at this estimate, he did include a lot

of contingencies to sort of reflect those uncertain is that we might experience in the bid market. we had a five percent split market contingency and also we continue to carry a 12% design contingency in this estimate, which in my opinion could be sort of removed or significantly reduced to a three percent or five percent because we were at the final stages of design so there isn't a lot of design changes or unknowns with the design that would sort of create a cost difference. so that certainly could be dropped or removed significantly or reduced significantly. and this, we also included 2.5% allowance for facing premium. this is to sort of allow because this project is going to be

constructed into two separate phases and we think there will be some insufficiencies in the construction by completing it in two separate phases so we had a 2.35% allowance and the cost -- the escalated or escalation factor, this cost estimate assume an 8% back then in november 2021 and now i think we've received the guidance from the office of resilience and capital planning, the guidance is a 6% annual escalation in construction cost for this year. so at 8% and 11.6% to the midpoint of construction in april 2023, that should have been reduced so i think the major difference again the estimated cost and the bid price is not the construction itself but rather the amount of contingency that we have included in our estimate to sort

of account for the bid market volatility. so, i'm happy to answer any questions anyone has on this project but yeah. thank you. >> thank you, ms. wu for your presentation and thank you for addressing the questions i sent before hand. i appreciate that. >> i have a few more, please. >> okay. >> regarding the timeline, this is going to be a question that we'll probably going to hear or an issue that will come up and i don't understand how it works so perhaps you can explain it and we'll all benefit from the knowledge going forward which is the bid protest that you've mentioned and that delayed why the first -- why we couldn't go to the bueller bid. one of my questions was why it took so long if the first bid, why it took three-and-a-half months to

award the bid to bueller. tell us what a bid protest is and what that does to a project schedule if you would please. >> okay. we received the bid protest for bueller for the lowest bidder, ubecon. once a bid protest starts, we need to respond to every bid protest. there's letters from the city that goes to the contractor. there's also letters from the contractor that comes to the city. and every time we issue something or every time we receive something, it needs to be reviewed by the project team by public works team and city attorney's team. everything needs to be reviewed and approved at several levels before it goes out and you know, similarly for correspondences comes in, it goes out. after back and forth and the first time we received the first bed protest was in july. we were

able to resolve that matter completely in mid-october so it's three-and-a-half month. it is a long time and every bid protest is different and every contractor acts to bid differently, so it varies. it could be quicker. sometimes it could take longer but yeah. >> that's what i was going to ask. it's three-and-a-half months average, short, long or it's all over the map. >> i was just asking that same question of our deputy director for finance and administration. i know there are some that take longer and sometimes with a really motivator contractors and some are -- we send something and they have to respond. if they take two weeks to respond because they are consulting with their counsel, that adds more time. the deputy director popped up. i don't know if he has more to add. >> thank you very much because i

looked at him, i'm sheer we'll hear more about this and we're always going to be asking about project schedule. >> yeah. >> thank you for addressing that and now i have a better understanding. the other question i had and thank you for address the budget issue but i have a question about the budget, about the contingency and thank you for explaining the difference and you said it was locked up in contingency. i want to be attentive to this because i want to free up money as quickly as possible for other projects so i don't want to tie up money unnecessary on one project only to learn, we don't need that and so, i hope the department will continue to be really attentive to tweaking project estimates as we go, so we can free up dollars to get other projects underway because of course, this is a long list of what the city needs for dpw to get started on. >> that's a good point because i think it was, you know, we were in this time where it was a lot of uncertainty with the pandemic

and the ukraine war which is affects our global chain issues and things are costing a lot or higher than it used to be so i think in the beginning of the pandemic, we had issued projects out ask our bid prices came in, like, 50% above the engineer's estimate, some higher. so we were -- we didn't know where the market was going but i think fortunately, i think it seems as if things have stabilized a little bit now. i wouldn't say it dropped, construction prices is not going down but it seems like it has plateaued and stabilized instead of going up. >> i'm not complaining about the cost going up. having sitting on an advisory committee and i won't be shy about it for the transit center, the bids consistently came in higher than the cost estimate or leading the

advisory committee to ask, do you need a new cost estimate because this person gets it wrong by a lot and it's delaying the project. if we have the reverse problem here, we're going to be able to put money toward another project, that's great but it seems and this is a more general question for director shore, do we measure or can we go forward, treasure the track record of city capital project construction price, how they are estimated? because of course, it has to be very important for getting -- for the rfp so the estimate that is done for the -- to prepare the rfp and how does stems stack up against the bids received and the actual project cost when they are closed out. i think it would be just useful. you probably track this already. you get it and throw it on a table. what was the estimate? what was the bid that the city went with? and what actually did it cost? it might help refine bids going

forward and manage expectations going forward of the public and staff working on the project so i thought that might be a useful table or something to produce. >> yeah. absolutely! we do track all of those costs and do we view them regularly and i think the tricky aspect is always the final cost. i always say, let's look at the final cost next to the work scope because what often happens is there's also additional work scope that gets added, so that's one of the nuances we have to look at, making sure we're not comparing an initial project that had a different work scope but we track all those and we can provide you with that information. >> i think all that's needed is an explanation of what you said. i found your explanation very helpful, between pandemic and with this and that and the construction market was crazy, so that makes sense. there's usually reasons for this. it's helpful to include that. yeah. thank you. that concludes my questions and thank you very

much. >> thank you. >> commissioner zoubi? >> yeah. thank you for coming by and giving us this presentation. i actually wrote down a lot of questions and you answered a lot of them but then i added a little bit more so bear with me on this one. is the estimator a dpw employee? >> it's martin lee corporation. they are one of our as-needed cost estimators so it's not public works but they are on their own private -- >> third-party? >> yes. >> third-party. >> got it! do they offer, like, guarantees or their estimates and their product that they offer? >> uh-huh. no, un-- unfortunately, those are probably cost. it's not guaranteed because they are not contractors and a contractor's bid would be guaranteed.

>> thank you. that was a question -- commissioner post was asking questions, about the 360 -- is the contract for 360 consecutive days so that's including weekends? >> consecutive dates, that's correct, yes. >> is there any language in the contract with the winning bidder regarding any, like, penalties if they go passed that timeline or are are there bonus features like if they finish earlier? >> no, there are no bonuses if they complete earlier but there's liquidated damages that we could assess on the contractor should they go beyond the 360 consecutive days in the contract. >> would that be after paying the contractor or just withholding payment? >> usually we would withhold the payment, yes. when we make a

payment to a contractor on a monthly basis, we usually withhold a five percent retention in their pay app for and we don't release it until the project is completely completed satisfactorily. yeah. >> thank you. so, for transparency purposes, how was that losing bidder deemed irresponsible? >> because they, in their bid package, they neglected to list a licensed contractor we had specifically requested that needs to complete the scope of the work as described in the bid document and for this particular, for this particular project is the fire sprinkler scope of work that they did not list in their bid package. >> and there's no, so that was

the protest that happens or different company actually protested that they didn't have that license and that was deemed -- >> right. they did not list the licensed contractor which is required. they need to list that and they also did not list the cost of that work. >> so, it could have been, like, a typo or they forgot about it? did you reach out to them or that's it, we have 30 days to submit bids and if you miss something -- >> we advertised the project for a month. we advertised it and we started the advertisement in march 26, 2022, and the contractor had a month to put together the bid package, so we opened up the bid package ask they can't make modifications after that date. >> got it. >> once bids are opened, they can't say we forgot something. we need to include that.

>> got it! >> may i build on that comment for a moment? and so, why was a protest needed? why didn't department staff see that that the rubycon was -- >> all projects after we -- after we open the bids on that day, all contractors have an opportunity, i think, it's seven days passed the bid day to submit a protest before the bid team reviews the package. >> i see, thank you. >> one last question. out of those, so three contractors that are on the list, have they ever done business with the city of san francisco before? >> yes. >> how many time. >> >> all three of them have done

projects in this city. they are not new to the city projects, they are not new to the city process. uh-huh. >> thank you. >> you're welcome. >> thank you, commissioner zoubi. commissioner newhouse segal? >> so, as always, i'm really up policed with the quality and the depth of knowledge and expertise that our staff has, so thank you and we're all just -- we're new to this but thank you for trying to educate us and we will know a lot more as we go forward. so, my question is, how did this end up on the consent calendar to begin with? and i guess my question is, if there was a resolution attached to this and also to our other contract that we're going to consider today and do all -- because we're new,

do all contracts has a resolution attached to them even if they are on our consent calendar or that only for contracts that are on our regular calendar? >> and, this is bob fuller. secretary of the commission. i can speak to that. based on the contract delegation policy that the commission approved back in september, this contract is above the minimum value of $1 million to be considered by this commission. but still below the $5 million for construction contract award, that would make it automatically a regular agenda item. so, it goes -- it would normally just go on to the

consent agenda for this type of contract. obviously, it was requested to have a few more questions answered and heard at the discretion of staff and commissioners and the public and all contracts will have a resolution attached to them since that is the document that form allieses the decision to award a contract or -- formalize a dior modify a contract taken by the commission. >> i see. the ones that fall below the threshold for the regular calendar, they -- so everything, all the consent calendar contracts will have a resolution? >> yes, they will. >> okay. [laughter] >> it's a lot of paperwork but it's important to dot all the i's and cross the t's.

>> okay. thank you. >> can i ask one more question? >> sure. commissioner zoubi? >> the center, during those 360 days, will they be operating normal or would any of the operation be interrupted or moved? >> the 911 call center will have to continue. it cannot be disrupted so we've built a temporary facility on the bottom floor of the building for the dispatchers and the 911 call center to function at that location so the contractor has the space to do their modifications and renovations. once they are done with the space on the second floor, then the 911 call center will move back to the second floor. >> they are relocating temporarily? >> they are being relocated tell -- they are being relocated temporarily to the building. >> you have a colleague that

stood up. >> i have a question. >> we would love to say hello if you want to come up to introduce yourself. thank you. we were trying to get as many department staff as we can. >> my name is rachel. i'll the service delivery and pm at the department of -- i manage part of the it news under our cio, michelle within the department of emergency management. so i was going to support lisa if she had questions, if she didn't know the answer to what was happening to our dispatchers. >> nice to meet you much >> department of emergency management. thank you very much. >> thank you, ms. wu. i would add to what commissioner segal said. we'll request the consent calendar, excuse me, yes, consent calendar to be moved to regular calendar. bear with us. we will not be requesting them to do that and as time goes on,

we'll be more comfortable with contracts being on consent calendar but i hope you'll understand in the first few weeks once we review the material, we'll say i have question s that so i would like to see that on the regular -- let's see how it goes the next week but with time, we will be more comfortable with contracts below five million, between one and five million on the consent calendar. >> that's understood. i appreciate all the questions and i'm happy to be able to provide the answers to you. thank you. thank you, everyone. >> thank you very much. commissioner zoubi? >> one last thing. commissioner segal ask and myself for a glowsry of abbreviations because this presentation had a lot of abbreviations and is there any where we can go to look at like

dfh, i'm not asking for an answer right now but see if there's a place where we can look up those abbreviations? >> sure, we can put together a list of all the acronyms that's commonly used in the construction designs industry. >> our goal is we don't have acronyms in our presentation to you but yes, we definitely can put together that list and i think we've been working on that but we're doing our best to, when we review presentations and often i need them translated as well, not being in that industry, so our goal is we'll have, limit those but absolutely. we're working on the glossary for you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much. if there are no other questions or discussion, we will open public comment on this item, please. >> i believe we need a motion and then we can do public comment. >> thank you. is there a motion

and a second to award the 911 call center renovation construction contract to bueller commercial in the amount of $3,395,000 with a contract duration of 360 calendar days to perform renovation of the 911 call center at 1011 turk street >> so moved. >> second. >> thank you. we will turn to public comment. >> members of the public who wish to make three comments on this item four, the contract award -- the contract award for the 911 call center renovation may line up against the wall furthest from the door if joining us in the chamber. if you're calling in, please dial 415-655-0001. and your meeting access code to enter is

24847489090. and then press pound and pound again. then, you will need to press star three to raise your hand to be recognized. and it does not appear we have any members of the public in the chamber wishing to speak on this item. sf gov tv, do we have any members of the public in the queue wishing to speak on this item? and they are indicating that there are no callers in the queue. that concludes public comment. >> thank you very much. so, hearing no further debate on this motion, secretary fuller, please call the roll, i'm going to have a roll call vote on this, please. >> roll call vote, yes. okay. i apologize. i lost my place a little bit in here. okay. on the

roll call vote on item 4, the award for the 911 call center renovation, commissioner newhouse segal? >> yes. >> commissioner zoubi? >> yes. >> commissioner post? >> yes. >> and paul woolford is not in attendance today. we have three votes in favor of this -- of this motion to award this contract. >> thank you. secretary fuller will publish the resolution to the commission website. [gavel] we'll move to what was item five on the agenda, mr. fuller, please call that item. >> >> item five is the overview of

the public works department building design and construction bureau of architecture. principle architect and bureau manager laurie will present this item. this is an informational item. good morning, chair post and commissioners. it's nice to see you. i'm honored to be here. my name is julia and i'm the principal architect and bureau manager for san francisco public works bureau of architecture which i'll refer to as boa. sorry, rachel. [laughter] i've been at public works since 2013. boa is the oldest bureau at public works. actually, public work over 110 years old and i came to public works after 28 years in private sector with

a goal of creating strategic change and raising the bar in design, project delivery, and creating a lasting organization of continuous learn and cultural excellence. loftily goals and -- boa is within design and construction under alameda. we're the five bureaus in this division and largest one. just a little bit of history. boa, the bureau of engineering in public works has been in existence since the new city hall, the place we're sitting in now since it opened in 2014. the old city hall burned down in the 1906 earthquake which is another story i love to share some day. san francisco city hall had, was -- we were located on the third

floor just below us and that's the plan. a fun fact, the bureau of architecture has two full-time scanners who are actively scanning all of our drawings including the original drawings of city hall from 1910 to our most current drawings and another fun fact is our public works tv did an episode on it called, from pencils to pixels and it's one of my favorites and i encourage you all to watch it and i say nice thing about public works tv is each episode is only about seven minutes long. so, it's really easy to binge watch it. as i've mentioned, when i started, it was my goal to create a strategic change at boa. we had many retreated and creates our strategic plan, which we strived to align with public works strategic plan overall. on the left, you'll see our strategic

plan. and i'm looking to have another retreat. it has been many years this year. boa strategic goals centered around a culture of excellence through continuous learn and growth. change is not always easy and can be slow, i believe we've made progress and you'll see in the following slide the great work we have established in the last ten years. on the right, you'll see our or chart. we have five studios, of 8 plus staff, hoping to grow -- 68 staff and hoping to grow to 80. our staff are, our studio was centered around major cities sponsoring agencies. dph, rec. and park, mta, the san francisco public library, the police department, the fire department, the public utilities commission, and real-estate. and others and these are the major sponsoring agencies. encouragemently we have 188 owe on currently we have 188 active projects which

is a lot including something managed by the project management which we've had an overview on although most projects are actively managed in-house with our current staff. and we have more than $1.2 billion in project budgets of various phases of design and construction. in the next few slides, i'm going to show you, i would like to address the following questions, what is the role of a city architect in government? what is the role of a government architect? this question has been asked and asked many times over the years, sometimes even by the private sector. i would say we are many things and actually the bureau of architecture is interesting in that i think we're the only organization in the country that has a 68 full-time design and production staff. people talk about new york or los angeles,

they have about 15 to 18 production staff but most of their staff are project managers, so we're really unique in that regard. what are we? we're an avenue cat of good architecture, i think. we're an ambassador of the highest quality standards of care in design and fire and life safety as well as durability. because in the public sector, in my mind, you get one chance to build a building every 50 or 60 or 70 years and you have an obligation to the public that it's built to the highest standard ask we're a leader in sustainability and educator and stuart of history. on this slide, you'll see we're a keeper of sustainability. all of our buildings need to be a minimum of lead goal. lead is the lowest hanging fruit. all of our buildings need to be one hundred percy lek friday fewed at ie, no natural gas as we have to reduce

our carbon footprint. and the city and county of san francisco is moving towards net zero by 2040 although i like to talk to the mayor some time if we can get aligned with aia to 2030. as a teacher, and mentor and learning lab, we have a very strong internship program which is unique and our interns get hands-on experience because most all of our projects are built locally and almost all of our project was built which is different than the private sector so all interns get to go in fields and see their projects built. we also have a diversity projects. we get to work on a variety of building types, healthcare, hospitals, transportation, libraries, police stations, fire stations, rec. centers and utility buildings and tentative improvements and the private sector, a lot of architecture firms will focus on health care

only or residential only. you know. so, that's really unique because they get to see all kinds of different building types so as a learning lab, our interns get great experience and they can stay, which we like or they go out into the private sector. i think you may all know we have a huge capital planning program in san francisco. we're biggest developers in the country, i would say. we have a $38 billion capital plan of over ten years and it has 170,000 local jobs. i think charles, when he did bureau of project management, a lot of our biggest jobs go to the private sector like the hospital, forensic lab and we like to collaborate with the private sector on our biggest jobs and we're going to embark on a collaboration with private sector architect on the fire training facility, which helps our team in terms of learning from the specialized skills of the private sector

architect and helps them learning the standards of public sector so i think this is a good collaboration. so now i will go into some of our more recent work. as you can see in the upper right corner, if you scan that, you can see our most current online portfolio. hopefully this year we can publish one hard copy so we can give you each one. we haven't published the hardcopy in a few years. so, this is a department of public health and recently, we opened the southeast family health center which is on the left in the bay view. it's the first ground up health center in probably 40, 50 years. in fact, i think it's the first ground up health center since the one on the right which is a china town public health center which is in design right now. the china down health center was built in

the 60s. it's on the 2023 health and safety bond and $42 million construction budget. we hope construction to start june of 2024. and we just passed phase ii of civic design review for the design. we're still working on where that -- where the dragon goes. that's another story. the navigation centers for the house, unhoused residential san francisco with the department of homelessness ask supportive housing -- and supportive housing, this is our challenging issue faces san francisco as you know. these are interesting projects. the one on the left is a division circle utilizing ten structures. the one on the right is bryant navigation center at 5 and bryant street which is a series of modular trailers centered around a courtyard and i was on

the pm on three of these in addition to my day job whether we did these in 2018. it was very challenging and we delivered these in record time and we have continuous work with department of homeless. it's have interesting and we have to turn the design around fast and -- we cycled through many architects on these jobs. we have staff that's passionate about this work. san francisco public utilities commission. san francisco -- puc is not all about pump stations and wastewater. some of our best buildings and projects have come out of this agency and as you can see on the left is northeast community center which carla smoke of very nicely of earlier. personally, i think this is the best project that bla has designed in many years so we're super proud of this. but it's

also a recent example of a huge collaboration between the bureau of architecture, bureau of landscape architecture and the bureau of engineering and bureau of engineering manufacturer. we worked together to bring this project together and jennifer cooper will talk about the landscape design on this. it's designed in the artwork and more importantly, it's contribution to the city and community of bay view. on the right also, the snow operation yard which opened in 2019 in sunol california. also, a big collaboration between boa and the bureau of landscape architecture and currently just down the road from here, we're completing the alameda creek watershed center which is an interpretive center and that's a give back to the community for the -- for the yard that was just completed. on

a side note, bureau of architecture and the bureau of landscape architecture were invited to present the southeast community center and the alameda community watersheder to the full san francisco arts commission and it was the first time they asked a landscape architect to present these two projects because they were impressed how we collaborated with our landscape architects on these two projects so it was an honor to present that. historic preservation. and actually historic preservation and adaptive reuse. the san franciscan mall care and control project on the left -- san francisco animal and control project on the leave. this is adaptive use of an 1800 building which was overhead lines from the mta and it was very

interesting how everything fell together kind of a swapping of buildings and kind of, a thing about schedule of events that how we managed it. it was a domino effect but this is a one of a kind. animal care and control center. it's designed to operate after a disaster for 72 hours from a lessoned learned from hurricane katrina because people refused to leave their pets during hurricane. this happened in the last hurricane as well. so there what lost of loss and lost of life to pets so this is a fascinating project and you might have gotten a tour of it as well. and then on the right is the warm memorial veterans center. it's a seismic upgrade and complete renovation of a san francisco treasure, modernized and restored for another one hundred years to

come, we hope. then for rec. and park, one of our favorite treasured clients, the parks in san francisco are a huge treasure for our residents and highly valued. on the left is margaret heyward playground and clubhouse which is recently completed. also the clubhouse is a small little jewel box. the park is huge and another collaboration between bureau of architecture and the bureau of landscape architecture. on the right, this is personally my favorite examples of restoring and reenergiing an old pa system built in the 30s with an elegant modern addition. we also included a climbing wall as you can see inside the auditorium. and then the library is our other clients. one of our, i

like our clients and what i found early in the city, each department agencies has their own personality. the fire department and first responders, they want you to answer them right away. you know, with the library for example, they are very detail oriented and polite and easy to work with. so, this project on the left is a very unique program where inner city teens can study and create art and make videos and it's in the second floor in of the main library. it's one of the projects i'm secretary of report which is interesting for me. it was visited by the nation library of congress librarian. she wanted to replicate something like this in washington. there's a you tube

video. on the right is mission branch library. this is the oldest and it's a carnegie library and about to start construction and it got -- it has just been awarded the bid. it's a renovation, revitalization and restoring the old grand stairs to its original location and adding on a more contemporary addition to it to expand the children's reading room and the teen center. and the san francisco fire depth, we have many other client agencies but i'm giving you a chase. and this is part of our 2014 easter bond program. bureau of architecture design fire station five on the right and fire station 16 on the left. and these are the second. the third ground up fire station in san francisco in over four decades so we're proud of that. and we're just proud to have been part of these projects in the last ten years, contributing to

the history of the bureau of architecture because as continuous improvement, we continue to raise bar and every on our staff is -- everyone on our staff is passionate about the work we do in san francisco. so, thank you, commissioners. and i'd be happy to take any questions. >> thank you, ms. lowy. it's nice to see you again. congratulation s southeast communicate center which you helped take me through the day i visited and we have all seen and it's lovely. that same day we did take a look at the animal care control center and it really was fascinating and beautiful. >> did you get any pets? [laughter] >> no. no. and i have -- i was lucky enough to be in the memorial since it was done and it's stunning and i have seen fire station 16 and that's also

a wonderful facility, so thank you for your explanation of all these projects and i hope we'll hear from you regularly and it's a lot of work to put these presentations together but i hope mr. fuller, ms. mowy can come back. where is the alameda watershed center. >> it's in sunol. >> okay. >> there's item approximately, the water temple, it's famous -- help me out. it's a willy merchant water temple, if i had a picture of it, i would show you but they take children and classes on tours of it all the time so it's going to be, it's an interpretive center and it has a fresh water aquarium tank, probably one of two in the -- in california, i think and you might be presenting, i don't know. a little bit, yeah. it's

in sunol and down the road from -- yeah. >> when you said down the road owe [multiple voices] >> i thought you meant down the road from city hall. >> it's in sunol. >> if we could flip back if it's not too much trouble to your slides, there are five studios within the department, i think. if you could -- the print on that slide is -- that's one. if you can verbally say what are the five studio. >> >> actually on the top here, on the left is -- i have five studios but i hired a design director, so to kind of oversee a lot of the design standard asks a technical -- and technical director who is vito who is in charge of the technical -- so, the five studios on the left is the studio manager, gabriel limb for

the zuckerberg hospital project which is the hospital campus. to right is roger hay who we hired as a studio manager for the dph clinic in laguna honda campus and to the lower left, patty solis so she's a studio manager for rec. and park and mta projects and we'll be putting the homeless shelter projects under her as well. and then over to the right, lourdes garcia is city manager for the public library projects and the eser and police and justice project and then on the bottom center is mike, studio manager for the public utilities commission projects. and each of them have about eight to 16 staff. we are a little understaffed right now, so we're working on that. but -- >> great, thank you very much.

those are my questions. do any other commissioners have comments or questions for ms. lowy? commissioner newhouse segal? >> i just want to thank you so much and tell you how proud i am to be part of this department and i respect the architecture and science and sociology and that's the way we live. >> we don't always get that. >> it's awesome. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. commissioner zoubi? >> do i need to thank you anymore or -- [laughter] >> bring it on. >> it was great meeting you at the southeast project. i'm looking forward. i didn't get to grand opening but i want to see it. this is a great presentation. actually, just like commissioner segal said that it makes us proud of being on this but i would recommend to

commissioners, if you see the presentation, there's a qr code on the box on top and i did scan it while you were talking, so i was listening also but it has all the projects and all the information about it which is very detailed and very close to your presentation, so that's great. i'm looking forward to actually visiting more of your projects. >> thank you. it's easy when you have great staff and great organization. >> oh, thank you for bringing that up. how soon do you think the vacancies will be filled? >> well, actually, the dam has broke a little bit so we're starring to interview more and we're getting our own hr department so things are starting to move. >> great. it's very important not to burnout existing staff. >> this is true. this is true. thank you. >> thank you very much. >> thanks.

>> i think because she used the, you said the dam in your business, i wouldn't talk about dams breaking. [laughter] it's not a great analysis. >> that's more of the engineer's side. but yeah. no. it's actually the -- the gate is opened, how about that. [laughter] >> thank you very much. >> thank you very much. and hearing no further questions or discussion, mr. fuller, please open public comment on this item. >> members of the public who wish to make three minutes of comment on this item, number five, the bureau of architecture overview may line up against the wall furthest from the door if here in the chamber. if you're calling in, dial 415-655-0001. and use the meeting access code,

24847489090. and then pound and pound again and to be recognized, press star three. and it does not appear we have members of the public looking to speak on this item in the chamber and sf gov tv, it looks like you are indicating there are no members of the public on the call-in line for public comment. so, we have no public commenters on this item. >> thank you. and seeing no further discussion or questions from the commission, we'll move on to the next item which was originally item no. six on the agenda. secretary fuller, please call that item. >> item six is the overview of the public works department building design and construction bureau of landscape architecture. bureau manager jennifer cooper will present and this is an informational item.

>> great, nice to meet you all and thanks for giving me the opportunity to come before you, i'm jennifer cooper, the architecture manager for puck -- public works and i don't think i'll be coming in front of you often. i have been with public work for four years now and came from the private sector, i've spent half of my career on the east coast and half on the westside, so i'm balanced in middle which is a good thing. i went to (indiscernible) university for ungrad and landscape architect and the school of design and before joining public works, i found the landscape architecture -- global design firm and served all the offices on the west cove. but the projects getting me the most excited was the

small projects in san francisco so when i saw the bureau manager opportunity open up, i jumped at the chance to work on the projects everyday. to give you a sense of where we fall in the hierarchy of things, i report to ron, the city architect so we're the five bureaus within that building design and construction. landscape architecture started at public work in 80s and under the engineering department and then we were under architecture department and then we emerged as our own bureau, which i think speaks to the growing permanence of public health, open space, resilience within the design community. we have 22 landscape architects. it's a diverse team working on open space projects afternoon the city and looking at all these smiling faces, it was interesting when i started at public works four years ago because i don't know what to

work when working for a city agency and i was surprised by the commitment of staff. they were committed to the community, open space and open and collaborative group, so yeah much it has been a great experience coming to work for the city. we're broken into two studios. the one on the left is mainly focused on recreation and parks department projects led by lizzi hirsh and tony is leading the green design and infrastructure projects and they are designated like that but we true to diversify what the different studios work on because over time we want to make sure our staff are well-rounded and you think things might stay the same in a city agency but they are constantly changing so i want all our staff doing agile enough to pick up whatever projects that need to be done. as julia described, we work for a host of

city agencies so they are all clients and collaborating which means we have diverse funding sources so our funding might come from bonds, capital funds and grants and impact development fees and so as -- if you see things changing on the front, it will affect our workload and what's coming down the pipeline for our staff. but luckily, usually if one thing is up, another thing is down and it usually evens out but it's a good thing to keep in mind. the project types that we work on, primarily are parks, playgrounds, plazas, streetscapes, public buildings and green infrastructure but there are some emerging project types and trends such as nature play, habitat corridors and resilience related projects. so starting with playgrounds and community centers, this is the margaret heyward playground that julia showed, the community center. recently won an american society of landscape architect samaritan award. so

it's great to see our work recognized ask it's meaningful for the team -- this is the outer mission. and what struck me whether i toured a lot of our projects when i first joined public works is how different they are. there are certain things that's stand for art efficiency but everything is different and qaoga had wood carved out by the gardener so we cataloged they will all and get them back on the site. there's jewels around the city and it's exciting to see and to work on. things that are on the boards, we have a lot of things in progress so i can't show them all but the (indiscernible) mall is a big one in the western addition, so there was a master plan done and we're implementing now three blocks of the master plan, so that's moving quickly into the design, in the design process. also the japan town piece plaza has been moving

forward. that's on top of the parking garage in japan town where the a go that is located so we're redoing the parking garage. as i'm sure you know, every project we work on has an extensive community outreach so we held a lot of meetings with the community on this and they have input into our of our project designs. and streetscapes, we work at the mta quite a bit on projects relayed to public safety for pedestrians and cyclists so it's an important thing we're improving in the city by working with them, this is masonic streetscape on the left. you can see how the bike lane goes behind the bus lane so buses aren't swiping bikes on their way to the curb. and the integration of public art. you can see castro and you have been to valencia and market street. we went through an extensive community design and implementing the design

upcoming. this is jefferson streetscape and recently completed phase ii of the striped street you see there. i think commissioner post asked about the maintenance of streetscape and so when we're designing these projects we're designing them for us to maintain. now, it's sanitation streets to maintain but we're designing them to be robust and to be able to be maintained with our typical methods and so the street cleaning, graffiti removal, vandalism. we assume all these thing will occur on every project and we design it to take that kind of use, sometimes we work with community benefit districts if they want and more special and custom things we don't normally maintain within the public right-of-way. we often include a three-year maintenance contract for the planting so that gives us the three years to the get the plants taken, so once taken over, it's established and

projects are designed to be drought tolerant. you can see on the upper right, cesar chavez that went through a complete street design many years ago and looks different than in the past. the bottom right, we can incorporate community art. this is a tile art piece. and public buildings, and all work we do at the bureau of architecture, it's exciting to work with our colleagues and to design projects that's truly fully integrated so i think margaret heyward community center on the left is a great example. the entire facade opens up so it becomes part of the park so if you're having an event, you can be in the community center, out in the park, it blurs those lines between the building and the site in a way we really appreciate. animal care control mentioned on the top right and the watershed center on the bottom right. that's a really truly stunning project and what was interesting is the sfpuc wanted to grow all their own plants for the project so they

started an onsite nursery so they could gather seeds from the watershed and grow all the plants themselves to make sure it matches the genetic plant diversity of the watershed so that was a really interesting part of the process that we had never done before. master plans, we seem to have quite a few sfpuc master plans within the studio. also, with bureau of architecture, the southeast treatment plant, they are doing a complete modernization of the wastewater treatment plant in bay view around the third area. it's huge and it will be decades. they are in modernization of the facilities but by doing that, they are going to open up space for other uses on the site, so we're looking for best practices but this will be built decades from now. we're trying to think into the future with resilience and

sea level rise and incorporating that into the thinking. we're working on the facility, cesar chavez. their yard will be next to the public works yard and the yard down in millbrae. and from a workload point of view, master plan was interesting for us in that we get to be involved in the vision of the project, making sure it integrates with the community and then we get to build it out phase after phase over decades so that's a lot of great work for the studio. green infrastructure, the sfpuc started a pilot program quite some time ago now and they were implementing stormwater bioswales and rain gardens within each supervisorial district. it's a common practice before it was a pilot practice. with we did a project along sunset boulevard because it used to be dunes and it's sand. it's

perfect for infiltrating stormwater into the aquifer. it doesn't go down a pipe but straight through the sand. that's a great part of the work ask you can -- you can see have lens is a street on the right. the soil was good for infiltration in that section. they integrated storm drain and taking advantage of that permeable soil.? emerging trends, nature play has started to become a -- especially with work with rec. and park. that's george christopher playground on the left side. but there's a small area with logs and rocks and loose parts and mulch just for kids to do free play and there's been a lot of studies showing how beneficial this is to childhood development. so you can see on the top right, golden gate heights playground. there's loose parts and shells and twigs

and allowing kids to reassociate and on the right is jerry common play area. if you have been to southeast community center, the landscape is a playable landscape, if we have big boulders and recycled log so we want to integrate that. habitat corridors and i got a great question from commissioner post there's habitat corridors in san francisco but it's not as imagined. it's not toolly elk migrating down san francisco. it's the charismatic -- which with butterflies and birds and not coyotes too, already use it. on the -- on this page is sunset boulevard which was originally the ask of us was to create a drought tolerant master plan but we looked at it, and you have to tilt your head to the side and

golden gate is on the right and merced on the right. we saw parks with habitats and said it can be drought tolerant but can it be bio diverse. can it be focused on habitat. that's something we're looking at and the -- there's way a coastal commission grant to study habitat. they are including sunset boulevard and ocean beach and working with the presid yo to work with quail. and also we're working on the ocean beach an duck ation project which is protecting our wastewater infrastructure on the westside, so they are building structures that will protect from climate change ask sea level rise and the erosion of the dunes in that area and we're working to restore the dunes there so that's an interesting part of climate resilience for san francisco and how it affects our

infrastructure. we're also working on a heat and air quality resilience project so we're, all this information exist about our heat risk in san francisco, the air quality, communities of concern and if you layer all these things together, how do we use that to prioritize where we spend our money so it will affect public health in the best way possible. so, those are things that are just emerging within the city and within our profession and the world at-large. so thank you and i would love to open it up for questions you have. >> thank you, ms. cooper. it is nice to see you again. >> you too. >> i had the pleasure of working with ms. cooper when she was at a prior firm where perkins -- she put together a streetscape for our neighborhood. we were disappointed whether we heard she left but i'm delighted to see where you have landed. so, that's fantastic that you're here and thank you for all the work you've already done to date

for the city at dpw. >> thank you. >> my only and thank you for answering my questions that i had submitted. my only question or comment is, i mean, we'll see what happens next week with sas if it's really -- if it will spinoff as a separate department or keep everyone within the dpw family, but in materials of maintaining -- in terms of maintaining streetscapes and i lived in san francisco many years and there's nothing more dismay than seeing a beautiful streetscape and median go up in the middle of the street only to see when san francisco falls on hard times budget wise or when we get to a drought, it goes to seed and there's a waste of my taxpayer dollars and it's an eyesore and it's a disappointment for the city's appearance and ambiance so it's a sensitive subject with me. we're spending a lot of money and a lot of time from dpw staff

going into and creating beautiful streetscapes and street medians and gardens that are resilient to drought and that i think are beautiful and not just succulents and congratulations for getting creative in putting things in besides cactuses. i have to be convinced that your beautiful, your team's beautiful work doesn't go to seed here and there when times get tough from a budget point of view or the city decides it has other priorities or it's a drought and we can't water anything. it's tough and i'm sure it's disappointing for you to put work into landscaping around the city and to see it neglected for one reason or another, so let's work together on making sure that doesn't happen. >> that would be great and we were -- seeing additional gardens for medians in the city. of course, times get tough, but

it could be cut but was heartened to see that commitment. that's great to hear. commissioner zoubi? >> thank you for your presentation. great to hear about what is happening. we see all these projects everyday but we don't know, okay, we can't connect with the department of public works. a couple of questions i have so in addition to the bureau of architecture projects that you would jump in and work on, you know, the landscape, what else triggers the bureau of landscape to actually take over a project? is it -- how proactive is your department, is your bureau? >> there's a lot of projects that are landscape only, so if

there's a park that doesn't include a structure, we would work on that ourselves with rec. and park. we do a lot of playground and park projects with them and we do work at our colleagues at idc engineering buresh your so if they are doing a -- engineering bureau so if they are doing -- we work with them on open space and p i can c directly on the stormwater management projects. >> so, the other departments, the city, when they come to dpw for a project, they say can you include landscape into the equation? >> they come to us directly if we would be the project lead on the project, so if we're working with the port, you know, on haring park, they would come to us after that work. >> are there in stances where just members of the public would reach out to your bureau and

request things or updates? >> we do, projects do come from different angles sometimes. sometimes they can come from the public, usually i don't give them my number so they don't call me directly but they might call the supervisor and the supervisor might reach out to carla and ask for assistance and so projects do -- we love projects that come from the community, so it just, making it easy for them to know who to talk to, i think is always helpful so they can good to supervisor to carla to us to get the work done. >> thank you. that was a question on my mind to know how to do that. >> if i might chime in through our community engagement team, they are based in fsa, but we have a program called the street program. neighbors approach us and say there's this unaccepted roadway, maybe the hillside was too steep to be a roadway so we

have them all over san francisco. it's just this open green space. and they can come to the city and say we want to adopt this and turn it into a community garden or plant in it or whatever the case may be. we will, at times if we can get funding, then ask the landscape architecture team to help the community envision that area and create a design, often tiles they will work with a neighbor who happens to be a landscape architect and they will do the initial planning or the conceptual design and we might take it to our team to develop a construction document, so we do end up with a lot of community projects or at least some community projects that are really driven initiated by the community and they come to us and we can involve the landscape architecture bureau. >> thank you. i had a question for both of you since you jumped in. community outreach, how is that -- where is that? is it in writing? is it a letter or is it just a report of your, one of the bureaus employ as that --

>> really, it's an intensive process and driven by the client agency. they usually organize that process but for instance, on japan piece plaza, rec. park organized three different large community meetings. this was pre-2020 so it was in person. we had 100 people would show up to each meeting so we would come with some set analysis and listen to what people want for the project, usually come back with concepts that they would comment on and we would come back with revised scheme for them to give us final feedback on but during covid, it has been interesting since we have been doing everything online, we can post things and people can submit comments whenever it's convenient for them. because equity wise, not everybody can make it to a community meeting in the middle of the afternoon and they are working and they have children, so a hybrid approach will allow us to reach

more people. so that's been an interesting benefit of going more digital. >> my question is, if i was to come to jennifer and, like, was this okayed by the community, what do you have to show me proof that the community is okay with that, you know -- >> usually there's a project website and so, and they will post -- we had this community meeting and here was the presentation and here was the follow up and so, it's usually documented on the project website. >> okay. >> all the interaction. >> so the community organization doesn't -- like for example, would you actually consider a letter of support from a community as proof of community support or other than supporting what happened? >> yeah, we do occasionally get

letters of support from partner or community organizations, community based organizations which are helpful for certain grants and we have to demonstrate there has been community outreach or there's been engagement or we're seeking funds and we have the buy-in from the community so letters from community organizations are helpful for those sorts of things but i think as jennifer said, we try to document and in outreach, even if it's an internal project and you'll use sunset boulevard which is our own public works initiated project, we have had a number of community meetings. we worked through the district supervisors office to help schedule those meetings but also did outreach to community groups that we knew about and then we document that we had those meetings, the feedback we got, so even when there's not a project website, we have a project folder that tries to document all of those

communications and the outreach and feedback we got. >> thank you. thank you. great presentation and i love the landscape of san francisco. >> thank you. >> great, thanks. >> thank you, commissioner zoubi. i actually can speak to exactly your question, having gone through the process that ms. cooper outlined with a new public park that's being designed and built in my neighborhood in the east cut. i want -- i omitted from my remarks that ms. hirsh rec. and park came up with a beautiful design on what will be trans way block three, it's the side of the trans bay terminal that people were using but while the trans center was -- dpw conducted the process that ms. cooper described, three meetings and preliminary designs and we voted on the design we wanted and ranked them and gave input. it was during the pandemic so this had to be done over zoom and yet scores of

people attended each zoom meeting and then could submit written comments for those who couldn't attend and they were in the evening after work hours which was convenient and the park is going to be beautiful. and dpw designed it. and i admit at the beginning, i was a sceptic. i wasn't familiar with dpw landscaping and rec. and park group. i thought the design should be bid out to a private firm to do the design and yet i was absolutely delighted to have my opinion changed and a positive experience working with dpw on designing a neighborhood park that was very responsive to the community as well as being a beautiful asset used by everyone that lives there and works there amid all those high-rises. so, we're eager to get it built and they will be a lot of affordable housing, below market housing on

either side of the park. they will be a lot of families right next to it, a lot of seniors adjacent to it, it will be well used and the dpw design will be a home run when we can get it built but -- as we're advocating, agitating, i should say, to get that done as quickly as possible. congratulations to ms. hersh and her team. >> i'll pass that along. commissioner segal. >> i wasn't going to say anything about this but i -- i've worked with the work of this department an a member of the direct park and as a community activist and parks advocate and now through dpw and i'm thinking how much and

commissioner zoubi's questions make me realize how much the public doesn't know about what we do and since we're a new, we're really a new organization. we're a very old and well-established and capable department but our organization is new. i'm thinking maybe we really do need more, again, more outreach, maybe a large meeting. i would say you need to come to my neighborhood and do a program but people like virtual stuff now and i don't know if it can be done that fast but have the questions available to everybody so if we're doing something in commissioner zoubi's neighborhood or my neighborhood or commissioner post's neighborhood, they have an opportunity ahead of time to

know dpw is one of your -- is available to you. you don't have to hire that private architecture firm and raise money for it. you can rely on good design and good outreach and good communication between a public department that does beautiful work and the neighborhood or the constituents, so a suggestion. people don't understand the breath of this department. >> we have done road show from time-to-time and maybe that's whether i presented to the commissioner post for the east cut. that was the ask to go over with a private firm but with you wanted them to know our capabilities because the assumption is it's government and they may not be that good so we need to show them because we don't do advertising and marketing. we're a public agency and spending the public's money

so we're not doing advertising. posting on linked in is the best i can do. if we can record these little road shows with maybe julia and i do make available to people, you know, and we're happy to talk to communities as well. >> thank you for your work. >> you're welcome. >> chair post? >> yes. >> just on that note, i thought maybe we could ask ms. cooper to talk about next week, the american society of landscape architects will be in town for a huge meeting and we're hosting and many of us are participating, maybe ms. cooper can talk about that upcoming meeting and what we're doing as part of that. >> sure. so, this is the national conference for the american society landscape architect so it's a big deal for us that it's in san francisco, you know, so you're going to see a lot of happy landscape architects running around, touring a lot of our public --

sighs so that will be exciting for us. lizzi and our colleagues at rec. and park and other private firms and bryan strong are doing a session on the history of the bonds. the history of the parks bond so that's a fascinating story that doesn't always get told and maybe isn't fully understood. how did that start? what has come of it? so they are doing a walking tour of china town in north beach to point out a lot of these projects that have come out of the bonds so done by public and private firms over the past decades, so that's going to be really fascinating. solange and two a loom eyes are talking about -- alumnis are talking about city government and i'm talking about write and design. i have done -- i represent the public sector and why writing is important in design. carla has two sessions. >> we're highlighting our bay view gateway project which is

both sort of resilience and community driven project and then our street tree sf program, so i'll be talking in two different sessions. >> this is the first time they have done two days worth of tours at the conference but i think there was so many things for people to see in the city and outside the city that -- they are all sold out so it's going to be a great way to showcase, i think, there's often bad publicity about san francisco so it's a great showcase to show what we're doing right and what's great about our city. >> when is the tour? >> not this coming weekend but the following week. the conference is thursday, friday, saturday. >> it's friday through monday. >> the tour of china town and north beach? >> srt -- -- >> saturday or sunday. >> that's sunday. >> sunday of the 13th? the day before our commission meeting? >> yes. >> all right. can i walk by and

say hi or drop by? >> if it's sold out, you can casually walk by. >> no, i'll be outside. i won't join the whole tour. >> i'll send you the -- the link to the website. >> what comes out of the history bonds talk, it's good to replicate and record because it's a great story of how we have helped to solve a problem in a creative way for financing, so.... >> thank you very much. perhaps director short, it sounds like the conference will still be going on the day of our next meeting so perhaps at the following meeting after the november 14th meeting and in your director's remarks, i can tell us how the aae conference went, any highlights that would be interesting to us. >> will do, thank you. >> any further discussion or comments for ms. cooper? hearing none, we'll open to public comment now. >> members of the public who

wish to make three minutes of comment on item six, the bureau of landscape architecture overview may line up against the wall furthest from the door if here in the hearing room. or if calling in, dial 415-655-0001. use the meeting access code, 24847489090. and then pound and pound again. to raise your hand to be recognized, press star three. looking -- it does not appear we have members in the public interested in speaking on this topic. sf gov tv, do we have members in the queue looking to speak? it appears we do have one member of the public who is interested in speaking on this. please unmute. please unmute the caller and caller,

you will have three minutes to speak and i'll provide you with a 30-second warning. >> can you hear me now? >> we can hear you. >> excellent. it's david. i'm sorry i missed the earlier part of the meeting. i was out at a tour, which i haven't been on in a while at the the sewer plant design and built by the department of public works when it was under the bureau of water pollution control. anyway. that was nice. and i heard part of the bureau of landscape architecture presentation. i don't think i have any meaningful comments and questions right now but i believe that chris is not with public works anymore. may still be at the airport. she was fantastic and is great and i'm sure the folks who are at landscape architecture under bdc are doing good work for rec. park and other city agencies and i appreciate their work and i'll

catch up with whatever i missed in the last two hours, thanks for listening. >> thank you, caller. it appears that is our only caller looking to speak on this item. so, we have no further public comment. >> thank you. any further discussion or comments for ms. cooper? thank you very much ms. cooper for your presentation today. we are almost at the end of the agenda. i don't anticipate much more time but prior to taking up the next item, i would like to call for a short ten-minute break. thank you. [gavel] >> okay. in that case, we'll recess until 12:24 p.m. [recess]

>> please call the next item on the -- agenda. >> item seven is the discussion of rules of order for this

commission. this commission last had the rules of order on the agenda on september 16th and chose to postpone it until today's or until the november 14th meeting. in mean while, commissioner newhouse segal has been updating the language within it as well as the rules of order have gone through a thorough review by the city attorney's office and myself. commissioner segal, newhouse segal will speak to -- will lead the discussion of the rules of order. just as a reminder, this is an informational item and the plan is consider for adoption the rules of order at the november 14th meeting. >> i want to thank commissioner post for letting me, for

assigning this to me and letting me sink my teeth into it because i had so many questions over the past several months and i want to thank city attorney chris tom and paul zareske for working with me on this and commissioner fairs manager, bob fuller for his work on this. thank you very much. the first thing i want to make clear to all of you, which was not clear to me at the beginning and we're starting from scratch, really. it's a huge department but we're a brand-new commission and according to the city attorney and the city administrator's office, there is no urgency for this to be done. i hope we can do it on the 14th, that we can vote for it but there's absolutely no urgency and rules

of order are bylaws are in fact not even required for a commission, okay. so, they are customary was the word i was told but not required. so, if things change, considering there's -- that there's a ballot argument -- a valid argument on prop b and we get to vote on how this commission is organized and if that passes or does not pass, it might change things but if it doesn't pass, there is also legislation that is already proposed in the board of supervisors to take another stab at this. so, there's -- there might be reasons why and we can go ahead and pass this and then amend it but i want you to know there's no urgent we this. i'm prepared to make some proposals for you. you can consider it.

you can make more proposals. we can discuss it and we can vote on it in -- on november 14th or we can vote on it a couple of weeks later or vote on it after we know how the new commission is going to -- how the department is going to be organized under the new prop b or under the new and improved charter amendment as decided by the board of supervisors. so, there's a lot up in the air and we've got a moving target. okay. so, it's also very important, i think, because of our -- because of what has gone on in this department in the past and why it's so important to the people of san francisco that we have a commission so we're answered to the public and there's transparency in our decisions that we have rules of order and

that they be understandable to an average person and if we do make other changes, i suggest that we always show a red line version to our commission when we look at changes so that they don't slip through the crack because you have to really read very carefully and a lot of people don't, so if we do future changes, i suggest that we work from a red line version like what commissioner -- what secretary fuller submitted to us a couple of weeks ago. so, that's my suggestion. okay. so, the most substantive change -- i should tell you that i've been working on this for months actually, so i have read the rec. park rules of order and the health commission rules of order. rec. parks were recently done in 2021. health commission

in 2018. and mta in 2019. puc in 2019. airport, 2021. library, 2022. planning, just, hmm, i don't have their date but anyway, i have read all those plus others and looking at that, i can tell you the reason that my recommendation for us to consider on article two, section one, which is the appointment and duties of officers. i recommend that we go back to what was originally planned. actually, it appears on the document that we have before us to a one-year term. when i asked if i could work on this, it had said two-year term. i can tell you why it's very important to have a one-year term. first of

all, we would be the only commission to have more than a one-year term and i think because our commission in particular was formed for transparency and to be answerable to the public, one-year term is certainly adequate and according to the city attorney, a one-year term is the norm. i asked if they could do a wore search to see if there's a two-year term and i guess they don't have that capacity but it is the norm and i looked for any commission that has two year materials and i couldn't find any, city attorney couldn't find any so it is the norm and i would recommend that in article two, section 1, first

paragraph that we vote for one-year term when we vote to adopt this. the other and if you have -- if you have other feelings about it, we can discuss that. i supposed to because it's for discussion or on the 14th. >> i have a question. so -- >> let me, can i finish because there's more in that same section. in article two, section 1, the last paragraph it says members are limited to no more than two consecutive terms as either vice or chair and no more than two terms during a six year per. and in reading those rules of order, it can go anyway and there are commissions that have no limit to how long an officer

can serve as commissioner officer. and there's a good argument because you become an expert. the public could feel well, that it becomes too much of an in crowd and insider and the commissioner officer who is the chair we comes like a staff member or whatever. but i don't have a strong recommendation on that but i want you to know the one-year term is, they use nebulous term, the norm but we have not found any commission that has longer than a one year term. and i hope commissioner wool for will be at our next one because the more of us who have

something to say, the better. so that is basically it. i want to point out to you that the planning department has -- the planning commission has a prevision that i think might be good and they require that their officers be appointed from different bodies, so the way we stand now, we would be in compliance if we adopt something like that in our rules of order but some commissioners are appointed by the nayer but our commission is a hybrid commission and chair, acting chair post is appointed by the controller and commissioner

zoubi is appointed by the board of supervisors and me the mayor. woolford is appointed by the mayor. hopefully we'll get another one appointed by board of supervisors and we have an opening and it's not a bad idea. it does limit the flexibility of the group and we have a small commission. those are my only two recommendations and that when we submit things in the future in the rules of order, changes that they should be redlined so we know what the changes are and nothing kind of -- on your screen, it's hard to see. redline versions are always great. that is it. >> commissioner newhouse segal, thank you for your hard working

and chipping it into shape. i have a question for secretary fuller. i apologize if it was in the revised rules of order and i missed it, if commissioner zoubi and i were to be elected chair and vice-chair for calendar '23, could we also serve as chair and vice-chair for calendar '24 since we will have served in the acting role for four or five months in this year. we wouldn't have served a full -- if this gets passed and we could only serve two years, two consecutive two-year terms should we be reelected by our colleagues. could we serve through calendar '24 or not and if you don't know or deputy city attorney tom doesn't know, you can answer this at the november 14th meeting. >> i think that's a good question. i'm glad you brought it up because i hadn't thought about that element up until this point but as the acting chair and the acting vice-chair, i

don't know if we want to consider that as a different status than being the fully invested -- fully vested chair and vice-chair. i don't know if deputy city attorney chris tom wants to weigh in on that. >> hi commissioner, deputy city attorney, christopher tom. i think since you're acting in the capacities without any codified rules of order, i think you can proceed as you wish if this commission decides that it would like to not consider the acting terms as part of the limit, i think you could choose to do that. >> thank you very much. >> commissioner newhouse segal. >> also, we could choose to go with no term limits. that the term is a one-year term. >> there's a big advantage to that and if we don't -- if we go

with no term limits, we can always amending it a couple of years from now and say this is not working. we think we should have term limits. >> good point. commissioner zoubi? >> i mean, i feel that i think being on the commission, your vote is the most important part and being a chair or a vice-chair, majority of the responsibility of a chair and vice-chair are more ceremonial, like -- >> i beg to differ on that but that's okay. [laughter] >> majority -- okay. some of it is more as a ceremonial, so there's a lot of work involved but it does -- the way i look at it, before you know, before i give my opinion about this, secretary fuller, what are the two years come from?

>> also, a good question. i believe the two-year term came up as a solution to the fact that when we were originally -- when this commission was originally considering the rules of order, it was at a time where we wanted or the commission had deseared to go to a -- desired to go to a calendar year calendar for the officers but because we were talking about that in august and july, that would have meant having a 15 or 14-month term as opposed to you know, the normal 12-month term and so the idea would be to have a full two-year term so it's not, we're not having multiple elections so i think that was a patch work based on the time -- when we were talking and discussing the calendar of

elections. >> my personal opinion and again just to explain -- i didn't mean it that way but make it one year, it becomes like a ceremonial thing because it takes a long time to get the hang of it and you know, work with the roberts rules of order and how to run a meeting and stuff like that. by the time -- >> can you talk into your mic, please. >> can you hear me now? >> yeah. >> the one-year makes it that. i think it does take more than that to just to get the hang of that position because it's an important, you know, officer position and i'm okay with the two years. i mean, one year -- again, it makes it look ceremonial. that's what i meant. if you do it every year,

we're going to change our officers, it shows that -- it doesn't show how important their work is and how hard they work, do you though what i mean? that's what i think but i would go with the majority of -- i will go with consensus. one year is one year. we can always reelect the chair. >> commissioner newhouse segal. >> i would like to stress, it's not a limit of one year. so, especially, like, yeah. they are elected for a year and then we could -- that person could be in perpetuity. it could be like the u.s. supreme court. there could be no term limit. i think rec. park, i think their president has been there for, i don't know, maybe 20 years. so, there's plenty of time to get hang of it and we are a new commission so everybody is going

to be sort of new-ish. the idea of the two years feels very -- it doesn't have the transparency i'm used to in government. >> i understand that part where it can be revisited every year, so ear or, that's why i said i'm fine with consensus of the commission. >> if a commissioner didn't feel prepared to do it, they don't have to accept the nomination. it sounds like -- why don't we mull over, two questions if i'm praising correctly if we're comfortable with officers serving more than one year term and we can learn more and we think it can be calendar year. it's up to our discretion if we want to start the clock

january 1st and number two, do we want officers to have a limit of only serving two consecutive one-year terms within a six-year period or do we not want to impose a limit of two consecutive one-year terms and leave it to our discretion to keep voting for officers as we need to, relying on the one-year term to allow you to vote a new person in if that person isn't up to the task, so i think those are things to mull over, right. one-year term for office. and limit it to two consecutive one year terms or not and commissioner woolford will weigh in. we can take this up on november 14th. i would like to vote on the rules of order on november 14th. we like to put this to bed. i have an aversion of acting in front of people. i asked some people at dpw in the

past why they are enacting this and enacting that when i worked with that person for two and three years and he's still an acting something. why haven't it been made permanent so i really, i'm going to start asking to shorten others as time goes on if we see people at the department that seem to be acting, acting, and not actually in their position, so i would like to lose the acting title in front of mine and commissioner zoubi's title if we're elected officially. that's my inclination is adopt this on november 14th if the commissioners decide to do that. if we could put it on the agenda for november 14th. >> i would agree with that one year and two year limit. so, from my understanding that we're -- the wording is going to be a one year term and maximum and limited to two terms. >> think about if we want to --

we're going to think about if you want to limit it to two terms. or commissioner newhouse segal pointed, other commissioners don't limit the number of years.? do some don't. you can do that by not voting for the person. it's not like you have a bad chair in place and can't get rid of her or you can rotate so everyone gets a turn. we can think about it for the next meeting. >> thank you. >> magic to two consecutive terms, we can say three consecutive terms or, you know, just so there's a limit. i haven't checked what all the others are. please don't make me do that. [laughter] i could do it.

>> i would suggest that if there is any consensus in the -- among the commissioners who are present here today about how to phrase that because our actual posting deadline for the 14th of november is this upcoming tuesday, so it's important if we are going to have any changes to the rules of order that either we -- that the commission either direct me to make them today or that they be put in as an option to be as commissioner newhouse segal pointed out, have a red line version of the different options as well. so, and i think that one of the things that may be important based on how that last paragraph in article two, section one is written is that it's a little ambiguous as to whether the commission -- the vice-chair and the chair could

just switch back and forth if they wanted to during those six years or if we want to strengthen it with language of, you can only serve for, an individual commissioner can serve for two consecutive -- for two consecutive terms during a six-year period of either position or something along those lines. >> i want to get a better picture. so, this last paragraph, was it added recently or are we talking about changing it or removing it? >> just to the fact that it was -- i believe it was inserted following the august 25th meeting. >> and if we actually elect a new chair and vice-chair every year, why do we need that

paragraph? >> you don't. >> the commission has control over who is the chair and vice-chair and they get to discuss it and vote on it every year. i mean, i'm not sure why we need that paragraph. >> i think that goes to the question of term limits in themselves. >> the commissioners already have term limits sitting on the commission. there are term limits and especially the ones who are nominated or appointed by mayor or the board of supervisors. >> i have a term limit too. i'm term limit. >> yeah. the commissioners segal said that some commissions don't have a term limit of officers. >> officers -- we have to be careful that we -- that we phrase it that way because a

couple of months ago we got confused -- we cannot say anything about our term limits serving as commissioners. that is only determined by our appointing bodies. and there is no term limit at this point as far as i know by any of the appointed bodies. so you could serve for 30 years if you continue being appointed by the -- >> if you're appointed, yeah. >> are you -- we're all termed together. >> no, you can be reappointed. >> [mic is off] >> city attorney, i think you might be looking at that. you were appointed -- >> you need to be reappointed. >> for a term that has a specific limit but you can be reappointed by -- that's exactly what i mean. >> for the sake of bob having

only one business day, which is monday to actually put the verbiage that we're going to vote, would we -- we're the majority right now. we have a quorum. would you be okay if we put an annual vote for the officers and just no term limit for the officers? >> we cannot vote today because -- >> i'm not talking about that but for us to vote, we need -- we need at least, what is it? >> you would need three commissioners and proper notice of this. >> so the proper notice needs to be sent out tuesday for us to vote on it for the 14th. >> are you suggesting that we and maybe acting chair post would like to -- i'm not sure

who could direct mr. fuller to prepare something that goes with the one-year term and to omit the last paragraph and then we can vote on it on the 14th? >> yes. that's exactly what i think sounds like the three of us are on accord on. >> we can always amend it if we decide we don't like what the redline version looks like, so secretary fuller, can you please -- the document you post for consideration for a vote on november 14th, we'll leave in the language of officers elected to one year terms that will strip out any reference to the number of one-year terms an officer can hold. yes? or just omit that last paragraph. >> i am other okay with that. when is the election usually every year? >> at the december meeting.

>> the december meeting, we will vote. >> yeah. >> okay. >> it turns out to be very elegant that way just by accident. >> uh-huh. >> then we can vote on it -- >> i want to add just again, as you reported, commissioner newhow segal, if it's customarily allowed to have rules of order, i would like to follow custom and not go against the grain of most commissions in the city, so that's why i would like to get this done. anything else on this matter? okay. i believe this is not a public comment agenda item, is it or isn't it? >> this is subject to -- >> i beg your pardon. >> we have someone interested in speaking. >> good. we'll turn to public comment. >> members of the public who wish to make three minutes of comment on item seven, the

public works rules of order discussion, those in the chambers may line up furthest from the door. if you're calling in dial 415-655-0001. and you can enter the meeting access code of 24847489090. followed by star or followed by pound and then pound again. and press star three to be recognized. looking around in the chamber, it does not appear we have any members of the public interested in speaking on this item. sf gov tv, do we have anyone in the queue? it looks like we have one member of the public. sf gov tv, please unmute the caller and then caller, you'll have three minutes to speak and i'll provide you with a 30-second warning when your time is about to expire. >> great. and i assume you can

hear me. it's david again. >> we can hear you. >> so not for minutes but i agree, there's too much acting and not enough singing and dancing. on the substance of the rules of order on the question of experience verses rotation, i like one-year terms of office with no limit. i think you'll sort out or your successors will sort out what your customs and traditions end up being. i tend to think that mark buell and jim spoke for him, probably served too long as president. they should have more rotation at rec. park and whether or not you have officers serve for one year or for two or three years depending -- you should leave that open and you'll figure that out but i wouldn't constrain it by way of the rules of order. i would not require officers to come from different appointing

authorities. i don't think, i certainly hope this body does not -- is not and will not be contentious like the planning commission. i think you have worked well together so far and will continue to do so and it's about what makes sense for the city and public works and it's not about building and, i mean, it's about building but it's not about being pro development or anti-development. nimby or non-nimby. the culture at this commission is different from the planning commission. i see no reason to have officers be from different appointment authorities. i did not see in the current version of the rules the parental leave policy that administrative code chapter 67b now requires, so perhaps we can get something in on that. nor did i see a section specifically about public comment. i can

spend some time hopefully this afternoon on a set of technical edits and get that to commission secretary fuller. he can circulate to you all that might influence things for next week and prior to the 14th. i very much appreciate that you're taking time on the rules most bodies do not spend time on the rules and sometimes that comes back to bite them later and i appreciate the three of you in particular, commissioner newhouse for taking the time to get it right. >> you have 30 seconds. >> thanks. get it done, but get it done right rather than get it done quickly. and if something gets missed or needs to be amended, you'll do an amendment in the future. this is not like you're setting it in stone for the next one hundred years. i hope that helps. very pleased to participate in this and thank you again for getting it right. thanks for listening. >> thank you, caller. and that

appears to be the only person in the queue. so, we have no further public commenters on this discussion. >> thank you. commissioner newhouse segal. >> mr. pullpit and i didn't hear you throughout this meeting and when i was doing all this work and i was hoping because i know you monitor other commissions and you're very familiar with this and i was hoping you were the audience, not just you but you represent the public and i was hoping that i was on the right track with this, so thank you for your comments and thank you for your thanks and i don't know about my other, my fellow commissioners but you're right. maybe there should be more dancing and singing so thanks. >> thank you, commissioner newhouse segal. we'll move on

to, what was item 9 in the original agenda. new business initiated by commissioners. i have, i have two pursuant to the conversations we had today. one is adding to our november 14th agenda. and actually i'm going to leave this to the discretion, well, i'll be working with secretary fuller in november. i'll leave it to our discretion if i may, commissioner newhouse segal as to fitting a discussion of how to better learn about what the sas commission is up to and to help them learn more about what we're up to. i would like to fit this on the november 14th agenda but if that agenda is too full, i would like to put it to the first meeting in december, so we'll have that as a formal discussion item among the commissioners on how we can better coordinate with the sas commission. the other item i'd like to add, either for

the november 14th meeting or the first meeting in december is once prop b is determined, i want to hear more from commissioner short on staffing the commissions and dpw. i fear that as we heard from ms. lowy today, dpw is trying to staff up in various departments so the department is growing and there's two new commissions that require a lot of work and i want to ensure that dpw has the staffing needed to support these commissions. i want to ensure city attorney's office is providing dpw with the deputy city attorneys that we need. i'm getting the feeling we may need more than just, mr. tom is working hard and putting a lot of time in and i would imagine he's spread thinly. once we know what prop b falls out and you

can give it thought, director short, on just adequate staffing for the commissions and the department going forward, not just within dpw but from other city departments to giving your needs. thank you. again, either for november 14th or the december meeting. november 14th is only six days after the election and it might be premature so december would be fine too. do any other commissioners have any other new business they would like to initiate? commissioner zoubi? >> yes. i would like to request in one of the next upcoming meetings an informational presentation from the bureau of forestry and tree maintenance. >> is that -- mr. fuller, is that anticipated, do you know off top of your head? >> technically, depending on the

results of next week's election, the bureau of urban forestry is a bureau inside the sanitation and streets tent and would actually fallout side of the mandate of this commission. i would leave it to director shore as far as if you wanted to provide -- >> aren't there third-parties working on -- in that department that need contracts? >> thank you, commissioner shore, interim director. we have contracts in the urban forestry program. in fact, that was one of the limited, that's in fact the only type of contracts that the sanitation and streets commission will approve. it will be the urban forestry contracts. given basically the quantity of those contracts that was

delegated to them. i think post next week, there is -- those contracts could remain delegated to them is my understanding or they could come back to this commission, so i think a lot of questions will be created and answered once the outcome of the election is known. i would recommend at this point maybe holding off on calendaring that item until we know the outcome of the election and then we would know whether the bureau of urban forestry is under the mandate of this commission as well or not and it doesn't preclude us. the commission can invite other departments to give presentations so we can certainly still arrange that but perhaps we could identify what is happening and then determine the best course of action after that. >> okay. thank you. and secretary fuller, what was it,

was that batch of contracts moved to the sanitation and streets commission through prop b2020 or was it just a decision of the department? >> it was through the various working group, so in preparation under the leadership of the city administrator's office, there were working groups that consisted of representatives also from the controller's office and other departments to recommend how best to operationalize the prop b 2020. that was one of the recommendations that came out of the operations sufficiency groups to dell great to that to the streets and sanitation division. >> got it, thanks. i put a couple of items here for new business like an updated list of the sos associations, neighborhood associations that

dpw reaches out to, if we can get access to that. for example, if there's a project in the bay view, you have a list of the organizations that you want to reach out for public outreach, right. so, if we can -- if i can have a copy of that list for the city. i mean, it doesn't have to be in the meeting or something, just for it to be shared with or where we can see that list. >> is there a master list or -- i mean, of community groups in san francisco? >> yeah. i know that -- i'll, go ahead. >> rachel is here. >> i'll refer to our communications director accident rachel gordon. >> director of communications and regulations, rachel. the master list is kept by the planning department that has all

neighborhood groups listed neighborhood groups, interested parties, advocacy groups from the bike coalition, the walk san francisco, sf beautiful, so that's a list we all use and it's kept updated and so we go into that when we have community meetings and then our community engagement team, which is through sas now but our public works and my communications teamworks closely with them, we also have a list and in the last year, we scrubbed everything. we went through all our list to get updated e-mails and phone numbers if we have them, so we have a master list that anyone in our department whether it's landscape projects or a building project or code ramp project, we can tap into that. so on some projects, we have like the major street projects, if there's on going construction, we have opt-in e-mails that everyone can, anyone can sign up for that to get weekly or biweekly updates of the construction project. we also on most major

projects and that's major in terms of the, if it's a big project or the duration of it that there are web pages for each project as well. our department makes a point there's a real name connected to it with an e-mail and a phone number, not just going into a black hole somewhere so a member of the public can get the information about the project and we have, i won't go into detail but i have a construction outreach team for the infrastructure projects. their sole role is to let people know about the construction in the public right-of-way and you met one of them alex who heads the team at the harrison streetscapes project if you visited the street paving, so but it's the planning department's list as well as our institutional that we'll gather information as we're going on. it's really good. i can get you, mr. fuller, get you the link and you can find it online and it's

available to anyone. >> i appreciate it, thank you. >> thank you. >> one last thing, if i can get the guidelines and the list of considerations for vendor permits. >> oh. when someone applies for a vendor permits, what are you looking at and who are they reaching out to in that case also. >> absolutely. >> and i see there is request to speak, i'm not sure who it is. that's deputy city attorney, christopher tom. >> thank you, chair post. deputy city attorney, christopher tom. i wanted to go back to vice-chair zoubi's question about the authority for the sanitation and streets commissions authority to approve contracts and i just wanted to add to director short's response in saying that the authority is

codified under section 434.19c3 of the charter and essentially that allows the commission to approve or requires the commission to approve all contracts entered into by the sanitation, streets department subject to any delegation by the director. >> thank you. >> thank you. secretary fuller and deputy city attorney tom, do my additions to the future agenda require a motion to be added. the discussion we're having on how to better coordinate with what the sas commission is up to and then to request that director short at a later time give us sort of an update on staffing for dpw and for the commission, does that require a motion to add those to

a future agenda? >> it should be at the discretion of the chair. >> then, if there's no other request -- oh. no other request, we will take public comment on the new business item. >> members of the public who wish to make three minutes of comment on item 9, the new business initiated by commissioners, may line up against the furthest from the door -- line up next to the wall furthest from the door to speak. or call 415-655-0001 and access code, 24847489090. and press pound and press pound again. no

members of the public present in the chamber looking to speak on this item. and then sf gov tv is indicating there's one member of the public looking to speak on this over the queue. please unmute the caller and caller, you have three minutes to speak and i'll provide you with a 30-second warning when your time is about to expire. >> great. david again. i assume i can be heard. i have no issue with report on what the staff commission is up to or a presentation on the operations division and the bureau of urban forestry, so as to president or chair post and vice-chair zoubi's request of that, no issue with those. i would just observe from my experience, departments and commissions

often get extremely siloed and like we can't talk about that because that's under somebody else and only they can do this and da, da, da. i think we should breakdown? of that and there's -- breakdown some of that and there's jurisdiction lines but the more cross pollination that can happen should and i would see nothing wrong regardless of what happens with the ballot measure next week with having a joint meet with the sas commission on occasion. at least, maybe annually, i don't know if it needs to be more often, maybe less often but having a joint meeting. i don't think that, you know, i don't see a problem with that. i think that we could benefit from that and there's certainly projects be it better market street or things like that that might lend themselves to a joint meet with the mta board and work done with other

departments be it rec. park or police or fire, i mean, there's lots of opportunity to collaborate. we don't have to have joint meetings all the time but that idea of sharing or asking another department to come present before you on a topic of interest, i think is fine. and i would -- i would encourage you to think about some of these reports, whether you want a one-time report, something periodic, like, quarterly or twice a year or things that you would like the director or the commission secretary to report on at every meeting or once a month because it's of continuing interest, so maybe presentations made, things that communications director, rachel gordon can present on. whatever you're thinking ends on the calendar to be reoccurring. [multiple voices] >> that's my bell, thanks for

listening. >> thank you for your comments, caller. that is our last caller who is expressed interest in speaking on this topic, so that concludes public comment. >> thank you, commissioner newhow segal. >> again, thank you, mr. pullfill. that's a good idea. depending on what happens with the board of supervisors. i suggest you follow up and if they are addressing it, bring it to their attention too but i have sat on -- i've sat on joint commission meetings and there are times when it's very helpful. there are times whether it feels very performative but that could be a solution, thank you. >> thank you, commissioner newhouse segal. mr. fuller, do we have remaining business on

the agenda? >> given that there -- our initial public comment period did not exceed the 15 minute period, there's no further business on the agenda. >> thank you. hearing no objection, i adjourn this meeting. we will meet again on monday, november 14th. thank you. [gavel]

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