>> good morning and welcome to rules committee of san francisco board of surprisers for today, monday november 7, 2022. the day before election day. don't forget to vote if you have not already done so, you've got about 30 hours left. i'm the chair of the committee aaron peskin joined by vice chair supervisor mandelman and supervisor connie chan. our clerk is mr. victor young, mr. young, do you have any announcements this morning?

>> yes. the board of supervisors and its committees will convene hybrid meetings that will allow in-person attendance, remote access, and public comment via teleconference. visit the sfgovtv website at (www.sfgovtv.org) to stream the live meetings and watch meetings on demand or watch live meetings on san francisco cable channels 26, 28, 78 or 99 (depending on your provider). members of the public may provide public comment in-person at the above noticed location or remotely via teleconference (detailed instructions available at: https://sfbos.org/remot e-meeting -call) allowed to first and those on the telephone line-the the number is 415-655-0001. and then enter the meeting id of 2 (488) 987-7754 then press pound and pound again. when connected you'll hear the meeting discussion

and muted and in listening mode only. when your item interest comes up and public comment is called those in person should line up to speak and those on the telephone should dial star 3. if on the telephone remember to turn down the television and listening devices. we'll take public comment those in person first and then go to the public comment telephone line. you may submit in writing e-mail them to myself, the rules committee clerk victor.young@sfgov.org. or city hall-that completes my initial comments. >> thank you mr. clerk. could you please read the first

item? >> yes, first on the agenda is item 1. motion approve, the mayor appointment of alex ludlum to successor agency term ending november 3, 2026. >> thank you mr. young. colleagues you recall that we confirmed the mayor's nomination of mr. ludlum to a balance of a term that expired last thursday and he has gotten his feet under him on the successor agency commission. i concur with the mayor as to his reappointment. is mr. ludlum present? >> come on up, alex. >> tell us how the

initial term on the redevelopment successor commission has been. what have you learned? >> well, i learned very much supervisor. i have been parsing budgets and i feel been able to make valuable contributions pointing out where items are of unusual cost. i also i think been a valuable year to the district 6 which i occupy helping with some of the parks in transbay working with the east cut cdb director andrew robinson to advocate for shifting ocii staff attention so that they can meet critical dates which have to do with fundraising and joint ventures with the

transbay authority. i feel confident in my contributions to the commission and would be very pleased to serve another term. >> thank you mr. ludlum. any updates on block 4? >> block 4, none that i believe are official, but you know, we can tell which way the wind is blowing, and i expect ongoing discussions to continue to advance that project. >> and then while i got you here with regard to 706 mission street, which is in said district, i'm pleased to report that i'm not going to have to hold a hearing on their request to extened out their last 3 and $3 and a half million payment because they have agreed to make it by the 31 day of march of

2023, which is acceptable to this supervisor so we will have that affordable housing payment in hand through your agency in about 5 months. >> yes. if i may, i'll say director was most appreciative of your call to him on the matter. >> excellent. any questions or comments from committee members? seeing none, is there any public comment on item number 1? >> yes. members of the public who wish to speak on the item and joining in person should line up to speak at this time. those remotely please call 415-655-0001 and enter meeting id 2488987754. pound and pound again. press star 3 to enter the speaker line. those in the queue wait

until the system indicates you are unmuted. there is nobody in the room for public comment at this time and there is nobody in line on the telephone for public comment. >> public comment is closed. mr. ludlum, thank you for your service and willingness to continue to serve. i will make a motion to amend the subject. motion by removing the word rejecting in line 3 and word rejects in line 12 and recommend that we snd the item as amended to the full board with a positive recommendation. on that multi-faceted motion, a roll call, please. >> yes, on that motion- [roll call] >> motion passes without objection. >> next item, please. >> next is item number 2. motion approving

directing-excuse me, motion approving rejecting the mayor nomination for appointment of mikem lambert term ending october 8, 2026 to children and family first commission. i was able to verify a rejancy waver is not required for mr. lambert. >> thank you for that and thank you mr. lambert for your willingness to continue service our children and families and for the mayor's putting your name forward. come on up. if there is anything you would like to say, i do have some questions not for you, but really for this panel relative to the motion that is before us that makes representations on the mayor's behalf i'm not willing to make but we can figure that out. that is just a technical issue. >> good morning chair peskin, vice chair mandelman, supervisor chan. thank you so much for your consideration of my appointment to the children and family

first commission. as background, tomorrow marks my 30 year working in public libraries, and i had a charm ed career, in particular since about 1998 i have been working with youth and families to prepare young people 0-5 to enter kindergarten ready to read and learn and succeed in life through my prior experience in san mateo county library i have lots of experience working with first 5. since i have been with city and county of san francisco i served on the our children our families council so i have a lot of experience working in this area, and i would be proud to serve and contribute as best i can in this capacity. i do appreciate the mayor's nomination and i appreciate the board

of supervisors consideration of my candidacy. >> seems like a good fit for seat number 5, which requires you to be a department representative, and thank you again for your service not only to this body but to our libraries. are there any questions or comments from committee members? alright; seeing none, any public comment on this item? >> members who wish to speak on the item and joining in person should line up to speak at this time. for those listening remotely call 415-655-0001, enter meeting id 2 (488) 987-7754 then press pound and pound again. once connected you will need to press star 3 to enter the speaker line. for those already in the queue please continue to wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and that is your queue to begin comments. f i do not see anybody in the room for public comment and there is one person on the line for public comment.

>> first speaker, please. >> can you hear me now? >> please proceed. >> excellent. david pillpel, good morning. happy to speak in support of michael lambert to the children families first commission. director lambert is a excellent city librarian professional and caring and think he will serve well in this capacity. one of my not sure how to say this-one of my favorite department heads. there are many, but he is one of my favorites. i'm sure you will have to tweak page 1 line 17 to page 2 line 6 to remove the reference to the residency waver, but i would urge you to support

and approve the mayor's nomination of michael lambert to the children and families first commission. thanks for listening. >> are there any additional speakers on item number 2 mr. young? >> there are no additional public commenters for this matter. >> alright. public comment is closed. mr. young-this might take care of my technical problem indicated at the beginning of this item that a residency waver was not required, is that correct? >> yes, can amend it to remove any-remove reference to residency waver. i thought mr. lambert lived in the city but i verified he does live thin city. >> there we go. a department head who lives in the city. alright. in that case, because i was

not going to be willing to do the representation on page 2, line 3, subsection 4, because i was not going to say that this board of surprisers exercised due diligence and concluded there was no other possible representative that would be on the mayor, not on this board of supervisors, so i was not go toog do that but it sounds like that matter is mute and i would therefore suggest at line 3 we remove residency requirement waived in the long title. at line 12 and 13 remove the same language, and then eliminate line 17 through-on page 1, through line 6 on page

2 and at line 7 on page 2-actually, we can remove that entire-we can remove everything on page 2. do you agree madam deputy city attorney? that further moved is only relevant to the residency waver. >> i can verify that myself. the second page regarding the further moved is only language regarding the residency waver. >> yep. i think we can just make those two changes and remove the rest of the motion starting on page 1 at line 17. i mean, you could keep the first 2 representations. i don't know we have to do that. we do not center have to do that so i make a

motion to amend the motion by removing everything from line 17 on in the motion and taking out the residency waived in the long title and remove word rejecting in the long title and remove the word reject at line 12, and send the item as amended to the full board with a positive recommendation on that motion a roll call, please. >> yes, on the motion- [roll call] >> motion passes without objection. >> thank you mr. lambert. do right by our children and our families. next item, please. >> yes, item 3 is hearing consider aopponenting one member term ending october 8, 2026 to

children and families first commission. one seat, two applicants. >> thank you mr. clerk. we will hear from these individuals both of whom are for seat number 7, both of whom would require a residency waver. we'll hear from them in the order they appear on our agenda starting remotely i believe with cesnae crawford and going on to lilli milton. >> good morning everyone. appreciate first of all the flexibility as i deal with covid and recovery from that. thank frz the flexibility and thanks for allowing me to attend remotely. i appreciate it. it is a honor and privilege to be considered for this important role. over the last 25 years i dedicated myself to education and professional experience and

supporting diverse communities represented in san francisco. i'm currently the senior executive directive of urban service ymca committed to children family and communities. in my work i oversee the reflection of the organization which includes our 3 family resource centers within the city county of san francisco. our truancy program, youth development program, wellness and many many more. i had the good fortune to serve community in many ways and come to the recognition without the establishment of relationships and goals of inspiring the voices of community is embedded in everything we do. we will be doing nothing more then making symbolic gestures and not informed action. much of my experience is k-12 non profit justice involved

experience. have a proven track record (inaudible) sound evaluation process and implementation of goals and ideas to completion. given the wide range of services and city wide lens of my work across all populations we serve in san francisco i do believe my experiences would be a great asset to the work ahead. if given the opportunity to serve as a board member i look forward continuing the mission of putting our children and families first in all decision making moving forward. once again, i like to thank the respective board for their time and appreciate the consideration. thank you. >> thank you mr. crawford. now we'll go on to lilli milton. >> good morning. thank you so much supervisor chan, vice

chair mandelman and chair peskin. happy to be here. my name is lilli milton and i along with cesnae am honored to put my application forward for children and families first commission. i sit on the (inaudible) been there over 14 years and hpp is a paramount resource center in the city serving the most vulnerable families focus on pregnant and families 0-5. homeless suvs housing wellness, everything to break the psychof of poverty and further the mission of family resource center. also the core part of fabric in san francisco and implementing integrative family centered services is the parts this is aiming to do so exciting to put forth my application because i feel the opportunity to bring the voices of the providers and families to the board

in a dynamic and innovative way is a great opportunity for me and wonderful opportunity for homeless prenatal. i feel that i bring to the commission an ability to articulate how working together to further the mission of children and families first commission. i feel we have a long way to go in terms of improving our systems and making them more family centered. right now our systems continue to be siloed and while we are a community of great weth we find some of the most core services are underresourced, under staffed and there are a lot of things our community can be doing and commission can be doing and alliance can be doing to further that mission. so, i am thrilled. i think cevnae is a wonderful college and (inaudible) out to the community and make sure the city is putting families first. there are so many systems serving families but not all working together and feel my role on the

commission would really create a opportunity for more voice and more integration. thank you for your consideration. >> thank you. are there any members of the public who would like to comment on this appointment by the board of supervisors to the children and families first commission for seat number 7? >> yes, members of the public who wish to speak on this item and joining in person should line up to speak at this time. for those remotely call 415-655-0001, enter meeting id 24889877754 then press pound and pound again. once connected you need to press star 3 to enter the speaker line. for those already in the queue please continue to wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted and that is your queue to begin comment. there is nobody in the room for public comment at this time and we have one caller on the line for public comment.

>> first speaker, please. >> hello, my name is [difficulty hearing speaker ] i can attest to the fact that he is a fair person and sometimes it takes making hard decisions even though it will anger some people and disappoint, he is able to dothat in a safe and compassionate way. (inaudible) 6 o'clock in the morning he is out there helping set up for community events. (inaudible) saying no we cannot do that, because it isn't for the greater community. i think he would be really good at being fair and compassionate and he brings a lens of being

very open-minded and not having tunnel vision. think outside the box to be able to elevate families and to help them achieve what they are trying to achieve in a way that is very compassionate (inaudible) i live in potrero hill public housing (inaudible) very dear to what he does and is true to his word and very compassionate as well as stand his ground when there is a lot of push-back when people dont want to do something but it is for the greater community (inaudible) i thank you very much for letting me speak and you could not get a better person then cesnae. >> thank you. can we have our next caller, please? >> good morning. thank you so much for the opportunity to

speak. i am-my name is (inaudible) and i am calling in support of my colleague ms. milton. we both work together at (inaudible) i have known her the past all most 7 years and just like to say that i have never worked with a more innovative inspiring and compassionate colleague in my life. i wholeheartedly would support and consideration of ms. milton. thank you so much. >> thank you. that completes our list of public commenters for this matter. >> public comment is closed. i want to thank both of the applicants who are both committed and qualified and want to hear from my colleagues. i would just offer this, which

is just looking at the 9 seats, all of which now with mr. lambert would be occupied, that it is as we seek to balance by gender and ethnicity and other criteria heavily weighted to women and for that reason i would lean towards mr. crawford but would love to hear from my colleagues. supervisor chan. >> thank you chair peskin. >> preston, peskin, it is all good. >> i'm sorry (inaudible) >> i have much more followers on twitter. >> i concur with your sentiment chair peskin and about just overwhelming right now the appointees on this body is women. i also

see that there is a vacant seat that is a mayoral appointment but love to encourage the mayor's office to consider ms.- >> the vacant seat is the seat we just filled with mr. lambert. >> that was number 5? >> which i think would make him the only other male out of 9. >> in deed. okay. >> vice chair mandelman. >> one of the items where i don't love being on the rules committee. both of these candidates are excellent. my staff had the opportunity to talk to mr. crawford. very impressed. we haven't had the opportunity to talk directly to ms. milton

but heard very good things about her so i could support either of these applicants. >> alright. of course there will be future opportunities on this body and other bodies that work for our children and families, so i will make the difficult choice and make a motion to send mr. crawford with a residency waver to the full board with a positive recommendation. on that motion, mr. young a roll call, please. >> yes, on that motion- [roll call] >> motion passes without objection. >> next item, please. >> next on the agenda is item 4, hearing to consider aopponenting one member term ending october 8, 2024 and one member term ending october 8, 2025 to

early childhood community oversight advisory committee two seats, four applicants. >> alright. here is one of those potential opportunities. why don't we hear from the applicants. there are four of them. however, one of them is the only applicant for seat number 9, that is monique guidry not able to attend today but there is only one applicant for that position for which she is qualified and has a specific requirement that it is representative of the child care planning advisory council and so i let her know that we could hear the item today with her absent, which gives us the three remaining applicants for seat number 8, and we'll hear from them in the order they appear.

cindy lopez-chastain, isabela hill, savitha moorthy that requires a residency waver for seat number 8. is cindy lopez here? >> thank you, good morning everyone. thank you so much for permitting me to be online. i'm currently a speech therapist and working in practice today so i'm jumping on this call in between appointments. board of supervisors thank you for your consideration. i am wanting to state very briefly that my passion for early childhood education stems from my professional work of 20 years as a speech therapist in san francisco, but the deeper commitment is born and raised san franciscans myself, first generation immigrant family from

el salvador-as a professional i have been deeply committed and in the groundwork of early childhood supporting not only the children in their speech therapy work with me, but their families, colleagues and develop my own program in the connection in 2008. as response to working in the school systems and seeing a huge need for our spanish speaking families, our families of color and families of low income to receive and access services in the community in a timely manner and a way that worked for them. since 2008, i have done not only that work as a practice, but created teams, worked in countless child care programs,

preschool centers, collaborated with non profit agencies, the school districts, the golden gate regional center to name a few and in that time i not only provided the direct service to children and families and professional, but also developed different programs and different models to provide screenings for children, early intervention approaches and favorite part of the work is working inside the community to like the other colleagues said, to integrate our systems and stop working in silos, which has been something to the detriment of our community in early childhood. i come to you today just to share my passion and to want to bring my expertise, my commitment, my stories every day lessens i have from families and colleagues to bring to

the table to work together with the city, with the board of supervisor, with committees to come up with solutions because i have been working pre-pandemic, during pandemic and now at this recovery stage of the pandemic with the families that need it the most and i want to be able to come up with solutions that all integrate together. >> thank you. next we'll go to isabela hill. good morning. >> hello, supervisors. my name is isabela hill also a born and raised san franciscans and so exciting to be in the room and participating in the process. a early childhood educator 10 years and working in the classroom at c5 children school next door in the state buildsing. the call

to action came during the pandemic when i was on unemployment and making more money then i had been as a full time teacher in the classroom. if up to me i would be a pree school teacher for the rest of my lif, but that seems unrealistic in the current economic environment of our city. my career depends on creating a more sustainable future for educators in the city. this is such an inspiring and hopeful time to be involved in early (inaudible) move to universal preschool and i'm so in ah of the advocacy the city members of this committee have done to get us to this point. however, i believe i would be-if on the committee i would be the only one currently working in the classroom. as someone working in the classroom i can speak to lived experience how policies and funding impact educators and families. experience

first hand the economic social cultural realties working and the first point of contact for children and caregivers in the community. in order to provide recommendations and expanding early childhood programs in a way equitable high quality and sustainable i believe it is essential to have teachers in the field represented. my goal is advocate for policies that (inaudible) diverse qualified early childhood edge s who empower the communities they serve. thank you for your time. >> thank you ms. hill and thank you for your work and sorry that it is not compensated as it should be in this society, but we have tried i go back 20years and it was-we did child care plus and all sorts of things and yet it has fallen behind again. >> we very much appreciate the cares program that has been a tremendous boom to us and so excited to see what changes continue to be

implemented. >> thank you. next we'll go to savitha moorthy. good morning. >> good morning. good morning, rules committee. i'm so so honored to be here so thank you so much for having me here and giving me the opportunity to talk to you about my application and interest in serving on the early childhood citizen advisory oversight advisory committee. over the last 2 decades, my work has been in early childhood education. i have been a etch toer, researcher and non profit leader. my story and my history with early childhood education is personal. i wasn't able to attend college directly after high school so i took a vocational course. i worked entry level jobs thin service industry for 3 years and then facing burn-out in early 20's

and took up a job as paraprofessional in a early childhood classroom and it changed my life. it lead me to complete my college degree, get teaching credential. teached in the clasroom a decade and go on to grad school and work as a researcher and end up where i am today. because of my diverse experiences as a parent, as a educator, as researcher, non profit leader i'm familiar with the field of early childhood education, variety of learning context. the preschool classroom, head start agencies, family child care homes, family resource centers and parent of young child and because of this history this work is personal to me. the child is the center of my work and i'm passionate promoting high quality urldy childhood experiences and the urgency to do

that for marginalized communities so all children arrive in kindergarten ready to learn. i'm the executive director of (inaudible) early learning. we are small but think mighty non profit working at the intersection of social justice and early childhood education. we serve about 7,000 children and families in the city and county of san francisco so our programming is present in every preschool and transitional class room in san francisco unified. we serve all the major head start agencies, we partner with 101 family child care homes and several family resource centers. i bring this up because i don't live in san francisco and i need a residency waver but i assure through my work i'm closely connected to this community and care so deeply about it. i made it is a point and priority to be present and to build deep relationships with partners and families. i attend community meetings, community events, support

programming and really hands on way. i'm seated on the child care planning advisory council through supervisor chan office and serve on the board of directors for the third street youth center and clinic lead by my wonderful colleague joy jackson morgan and offer this as additional evidence of my commitment and connectiveness to the city of san francisco. thank you so--you're in a tough position because you have three amazing chan candidates to choose from so don't envy the decision you have to make but honored and humbled i got to be here today and tell about myself and work we do. thank you for your time. >> thank you for your presentation and thank you for your work and for your applying this morn ing. why don't we go to public comment mr. young? >> yes are. members of the public who wish to speak on this item and joining in person should line up to speak at this time. for those listening

remotely call 415-655-0001 enter id 24889 aket 77754 and press pound and pound again. once connected you need to press star 3 to enter the speaker line. those in the queue please continue to wait until the system indicated you are unmuted and that is your queue to begin comment. there is nobody in the room for public comment at this time. just checking, and there is nobody on the telephone line for public comment at this time. >> okay. public comment is closed. this is a tough decision. i will note that there are no men on this body. there does not appear to be any-but could be wrong asian nor latinx representation on this body, which is 9 seats. nor does there appear to be any representation from somebody with current lived experience, so there you have it.

comments from committee members? i'm at a loss with three perfectly qualified candidates. supervisor chan. >> um-yeah, i think that it is a very challenging decision. i'm looking at purely-i always really just want to thank of course our d1 appointee, savitha moorthy for her service across. i think it is a great opportunity for someone like a educator like isabela hill and bringing the perspective educator to the body. it is a tough decision, but it

is definitely great to have someone who is bilingual and understanding having cultural and language competency to one of the largest community in need of early childhood services in the city and typically just from my experience with children council, that is a great need in a city like ours when child care cost is extremely high for immigrant and community that are mono lingual. we have some decision before us. i am probably in a space where leaning toward an educator like isabela hill for this reason because the lack of educators perspective while seeing that ms. moorthy has been involved in many other

bodies related to child care already. that is probably where i'm leaning towards. >> i should note that ms. lopez chastain chimed in online, that she too is a practicing educator in classrooms and home based work for the committee edification. vice chair mandelman. >> thank you chair peskin. i also have a very hard time with this decision. i will say i heard positive things about supervisor chan's appointee, mrs. moorthy. and beyond that i'm not sure i have a ton to contribute. >> alright. sure is great being chair, isn't it? colleagues, for a number of reasons

i am going to suggest that we make a tough decision and i will suggest cindy lopez chastain for seat 8 and monique guidry for seat 9. supervisor chan. >> i do want to actually speak on monique guidry for seat 9. i want to say i know her for a very long time, two decades now, and she has been dedicated in this work and she has alongside-her service does reside in district 7 alongside with former board president norman yee have done a lot of work around child care so i know her work speaks for itself and it is the reason why i did not question the fact that while she is

not physically present and make a presentation i know her work a long time so more than happy to appoint her for seat 9. because again all three legally qualified in outstanding candidates i think i respect chair peskin's decision for seat 8 with cindy lopez-chastain. thank you. >> again, as i said in the last item, there will be other and are more opportunities for your expertise and involvement. mr. clerk, please call the roll on that motion for item number 4. >> yes are. on the motion to appoint cindy lopez-chastain to seat 8 and monique guidry to seat 9- [roll call]

>> motion passes without objection. >> next item for i don't know, 4, 5 time. >> item time ordinance amending the administrative code to require the board supervisors approval of policy governing the funding acquisition and use of certain law enforcement equipment consistent with the criteria set forth in state law and approving the police department use of equipment policy. >> i want to thank you and public and police department for your patience as we heard this repeatedly. the good news is the department has evolved their ab481 military equipment policies largely in line with the comments that i made a couple weeks ago . i don't know if i'm the only one, but i

generally delve into these things on sunday evening and by the time i delve through the entire grid that the police department provided us late last week, maybe friday or so, it was like 10 o'clock and i thought too late to call the pd and start negotiating. so, i want to make some comments based on the responses and i think we are all in receipt of this fine good work the department for laying it all out and you can see who made the suggestion, which is largely me. some from the pd, and you can see that some of them were accepted in whole and some accepted in part and some declined in

whole. but a lot of progress, and this is a first time that any of us are doing this. i actually noted that this is a law that was sponsored by our now city attorney and former state assembly member david chu so if we want legislative intent we can walk down the hall and find out first person. with that, what i like to do is just go through some thoughts that i jotted down last night too late to call and then i have arranged for a meeting between myself and the department on wednesday morning to discuss these at length and then hopefully we can finally, we are past the 180 day deadline but we are not the only in the state of

california to be wrestling with this. so, in order that they appear on this-i note that as it relates to robots, the-i asked a question at a previous meeting whether or not robots could be used for deadly force. the department has responded that yes, they can under prescribed limited circumstances, so i think that is a question for us relative to ab481 whether or not we agree with that, so we can-that's something-this would be a good opportunity because we cannot talk about this off-line, if you have any sentiments as to that you might want to express them during the course of this meeting. there was

relative-this is r3 page number 5. whether or not it should be command staff which is what i recommended the department suggested commissioned officers which are lieutenant or above. i note that oakland i believe in their policy they are a little ahead of us, landed i think on command staff could only authorize deployment in these instances. something to think about and discuss. as to the bear cat, i guess the question that i was left with is, really defining what is a high risk tactical

situation. i think we all have a sense of it, but it is not for the sake of the policy defined. obviously i think we all want de-escalation when ever and where ever policy. i think the policy speaks to the fact that de-escalation is deemed to be futile, but anyway that's some food for thought. jumping all the way to my favorite device, the l rad. it's actually you included language which i appreciate that said it would not be used for crowd control, and so i think that in authorized use we should say that isn't a authorized use

because this-i just restating what you guys were saying, but we can figure that out wednesday. and by the way, there also is and not yet looked into this another new california law, i think ab48 we need to look at in light of l-rad. we can talk about that further on wednesday. jumping to specialized fire arms. i think the city attorney said that can be deleted in entirety or not. that is a policy call for us. any thoughts that colleagues have as to whether or not we want to delete that, speak now. that does not mean you need to forever hold your piece. but it is a place where we have a opportunity again to emphasize and speak to de-escalation if it is

in the policy whereas, if we make the line call say and it is not in the policy those words don't is a place. i lean towards keeping it in the policy, which is our call. jumping to r24, i are think we have ab48 questions, which we need to get our arms around and figure out. r26, i just have some questions about destruction of property as it relates to the definition of exigent circumstances. i am reluctant to -unless it is better defined say that

destruction of property could trigger . i mean, if a person is smashing a window which is not good, i don't know that it's okay to shoot them, but i'm not saying you would do that, i'm saying the way destruction of property is listed in here gives me pause. >> we (inaudible) rise to hostile crowds where barricades are being broken, vehicles broken and buses taken over, things lit on fire. talking large destruction of property. >> i think if we say that mass scale-we saw what happened in the nation capital with barricades and destruction of property so i get it so maybe this requires

language tweaking. then, the-i think this gets me pretty much maybe through it. the restocking at $10 million which happens to be the section 9.118 threshold where you have to come anyway, we need to discuss that. and then i think ab481 specifically does require and i put the language in and you guys took it out, that it has to identify an independent oversight body. i identify the board of supervisors which seemed to be for ab481 was pointing. i think it has to identify, i think that is clear in the law so don't think-we can have a different oversight agency, but i think you can't strike that language is the way i read the law. not an attorney. >> we are talking

restocking section? >> no, this is r28. >> i can- >> complaints and sanction. police commission is fold under to that in terms of compliance of member compliance. police commission is already folded into any discipline action along with the chief, so if we are talking about compliance with the government codes, 771d i believe, i think we already acknowledge the board of supervisors would be that governing body. >> okay, if you can show me where, maybe we are good. >> we added a section at the last page, page 20. >> page 20. >> essentially folded it into the annual report. not the compliance section, which just says it is the board of supervisors within their purview to

oversee compliance of that government code section. >> we can quival about this. i see section 6, i still don't think it has the magic words of who is is the ultimate oversight authority, but-we can also talk to council about whether i'm right or not in the reading of ab481. or i can just go ask david chu. amazing that david chu was able to get this passed in assembly but automated speed enforcement still can't be passed. this isn't a comment on the pd, this is amount comment on the state legislator. i can't figure out the

state legislature but what do i know i'm been a city council member for the last 20 years. that is--i reserve my right to bring up anything else wednesday but that is it at a high level and colleagues if you want to add, subtract, go for it. if not why don't we open this item number 5 up to public comment? and to members of the public, i will include in the file as we did previously the most recent grid that the pd supplied to members of this committee on friday so peepical look a-people can look at it in the intervening week. >> i did post that earlier this morning into legistar. >> excellent. one last thing for me to

give you. >> memberoffs the public who would like to speak and joining in person should line up to speak now a-for those listening remotely call 415-655-o001 enter id 248889877754 and pound and pound again. press star 3 to enter the speaker line. those in the queue continue to wait until the system indicates you are unmuted and that is your queue to begin comment. we have person-in the room for public comment. you have two minutes for public comment. >> hi. my name is author cocha member of the san francisco friends meeting serving on the peace and social concern committee. we have a quaker meeting house on south 9th street, 65 south 9th street. so, i'm here to represent the meeting. asking the board to call for further amendment of the proposed military

equipment policy. to fully define authorized use for all weapons, especially assault weapons. i object to assault weapons considered standard issue as well as machine guns. i think they should be in the inventory and think they should be accounted for. we need to align receipt of annual reports and budgets. require transparency and restocking. note blank checks up to $10 million. that is a lot of money not to keep track of. as quaker pacifist i don't think the sfpd should have so many weapons of war. we are a city of peace, not military. i think the proposed policy is morally and ethically wrong. this policy does want safeguard the public welfare safety civil rights or civil liberties and ab481 requires governing bodies to

only approve the use of the policy if it safeguard the public welfare safety civil rights and civil liberties. i visit a friend in visitation valley a couple yires ago, one of the poorest neighborhoods in san francisco and witness willinary star armored vehicle making a (inaudible) shocking and out of proportion like it was different realty then other neighborhoods in san francisco. i was more afraid of the police then the poverty and crime that surrounding me. briefing devices should not be deployed against a person and only used- >> your speaker time elapsed. >> can i make one last statement? >> please wrap up. >> military equipment is more frequently deployed in low income black and brown communities meaning the risks impacts of police militarization are experienced most

acutely in marginalized community. thank you for the opportunity. >> thank you fl for your comments. any additional members of the public for comment on item 5? >> no additional parties thin room we can move to call in phone number where we have 6 members in line. >> first speaker, please. >> can you hear me now? >> please proceed. >> great. david pillpel again. on this item, in yes victor did upload the department's submission this morning. that is great, but also in attachment 21 the committee packet should have today date and has last week. it is better for the police to have some of this equipment and not use it then to not have it and need it in the event of some event that requires

it. that's where i fall on the acquisition or holding the equipment. my understanding is that this doesn't change what the police has, it just makes the list of that equipment publicly transparent and extent govern its use in a way that did not exist before, so it is really more about transparency then additional pension militarization of the police. i hope the sheriff department policy pending before this committee and any other ab481 policy gets similar scrutiny to the police department's. thanks for listening. >> thank you. can we have our next caller? >> hi. this is jennifer (inaudible) work for the american friend service committee. calling to urge this committee to include assault rifles in this policy. the

public deserves to know the fiscal impact of sfpd15 machine guns, 64 submachine guns, 608 assault rifles (inaudible) use of assault rifles lead to deaths thin city including this year automatic fire weapons are indiscriminate. the public deserves to give input how such deadly weapons would be used and that is provided by ab481. i also urge this committee to consider setting the annual report receipts occur in the spring. the new law ab481 requires reporting on the total annual cost for each type of military equipment and that includes not just the acquisition cost but also personnel training maintenance and more. these are outlined. that means that sfpd needs to be able to answer questions that account for personnel cost especially around training and maintenance. these

questions include things like how many personnel devoted on training for each weapon? what was the cost of the personnel time? how many hours devoted towards cleaning rifles and guns? towards cleaning maintenance on every weapon that is described? were any of these questions done at overtime rate? by setting a due date for the annual report in the spring this will not only better align with the annual budget process for the city,b it will help sfpd to identify the changes it needs to take in the record keeping practices and work with a (inaudible) more able to fully deliver on the requirements. thank you. >> thank you. can we have our next caller, please? >> hello?

>> hi, please proceed. >> hi. my name is john lensy pollen with the american friends service and my comment is very brief. the proposal from sfpd to make a fully automatic machine gun and submachine guns a standard issue and therefore exempt from ab481 requirement for use policy and reporting on those weapons is totally unique in the state. there are many other departments and i should say american friends service committee has reviewed more then a hundred police department and sheriff policies for ab481 including their use of fire arms and whether they classify as assault weapons as fire arms. the vast majority more then 90 percent of police department and sheriff offices include

assault weapons semi-automatic rifles in the use policy for ab481. some even say we consider this standard issue, but we in interest of transparency will include this. there is one department where the legislative body governing body said you didn't include assault rifles, we want you to include it which is under ab481 part of the authority of the governing body to say okay, this does not include in ab481 by law but we want you to include it and san francisco has the ability to do that. on the issue of machine gun and submachine gun there are many departments that have such fire arms such weapons. none of them have classified as standard issue. every single department i'm aware of that has those type of fire arms included them in the ab481 policy. it is

atrocious that this department would attempt to classify these weapons as standard issue and exclude them- >> thank you your time elapsed. thank you very much. can we have our next caller, please? >> speaking for progressive labor party. hello everyone. let's cut to the chase. part -what are the police for? it isn't stop crime or protect us. (inaudible) the police kill us with impunity, bust down our doors, stop and search us, they break up our demonstrations, they spy on us, they are basically a hired killers to keep a tiny ruling class in power. now they want military weapons. why? well, millions are becoming homeless. our kids don't have enough food, schools are chaos or prisons,

can't get health care, cant afford food or gas and now preparing for a war with russia and china that will get our social services. the police want military weapons because the bosses are afraid of massive rebellion and they are right, we will rebel but we need it go beyond rebellion. we need a (inaudible) not have to fight the same battles over and over and over again. elections will not do it. we can do it. all of these fights today against militarizing the police against school closings, against evictions they can bring us together and teach us how to fight. let's keep our eye on the prize driving out the bosses with working class revolution. thank you. >> thank you. can we have our next caller, please?

>> good morning, this is regina (inaudible) women international league for peace and freedom. (inaudible) have already talked about issues i was going to raise, so i'm going to focus on a couple other things. one is i want to thank chair peskin for continuing this item. continuing to dialogue with the police department to get more specific information into this policy and the board is going to make policy decisions that are important to this ordinance. we need more definitions of the [audio cut out] >> (inaudible) >> available to us early enough so we

actually could review that and i fallowed very easily the comments made by chair peskin, because of that document. i will look forward to seeing the responses after wednesday's meeting with the police department. i would like you to ask the police department about two other items. one, is there $10 million figure. as you mentioned that is kind of standard so it really needs to be a smaller amount. i still think it is a great idea to have a earlier report along the budget cycle starting in beginning of the year up to march, so that we have early indication how this policy is playing out in terms of a annual report. so, those are basically the things-you have my written comments for more detail. appreciate that you are taking the time to make sure that we get

a policy that is the one that the city deserves as a city of peace and that i know we are past the deadline, but it is more important to get it right. thank you. >> thank you. >> can we have our next caller, please? >> hello, my name is paul riley, and i live in san francisco in district 10. i represent all of us (inaudible) i ask the board of supervisors to call for further amendment of the proposed military equipment use policy (inaudible) authorized use for all weapons especially assault weapons. these weapons have historically been misused. i ask the board to examine the

continuous sequence of policies which lead to the assault upon unknowing african american community. restrictive covenants make a heavy presence of police in the neighborhood to make sure people stayed within these boundaries and this goes all the way back to the killing of matthew johnson, a 15 year old unarmed boy in hunters point. i heard the supervisor mention destruction of property, (inaudible) was murdered. the mayor at the time john selly authorized state (inaudible) violence against the entire community using military equipment. i was not alive at the time but grew up in the neighborhood with tanks driving around, being used against the community. i grew up in a neighborhood where ar15 were pointed at me telling me to go inside the

house. i please ask the board to look at this matter because it will impact the entire community which i live in. thank you. >> thank you. can we have our next caller? >> yes. good morning. tracey (inaudible) from open privacy from the media alliance. good morning again and thanks for the work that has been done so so far. i wanted to express three quick concerns. number one, the restocking fee at $10 million, that is a large amount of money, and potentially could represent a significant increase in volume, so we would ask you to look at lowering that number. secondly, assembly 48 which passed in the same year as assembly bill 481, restricts the use of chemical

weapons, flash bags, bean bags and those kind of things in crowd control. it significantly restricts it and we ask you to integrate these policies with ab48. lastly, i believe that currently we have robots authorized for deadly force which could be used to remote control kill someone. this is what oakland considered and sort of stepped back from, because it is really scary, and i would ask that san francisco also consider stepping back from having that kind of equipment authorized for basically remote control killing. so, thank you and have a good day. >> thank you. can we have our next caller, please?

>> hello. my name is (inaudible) buller. i'm a community activist of many years. i pointed out and read the law if enforcement equipment use of policy and recommended edits of ab481 and interested to heard the comments made before me and i want to say i appreciate greatly the hard work that supervisor peskin has done in dealing with what is put before him. i want to say that i find this a bazaar way to deal with our fear of the other. we at present in our community and our nation are faced with a lot of unrest and to over-react to that by way of

allowing expenditures to the police department that can result in serious harm to members of our public is really unthinkable. so, i (inaudible) i support the use of the funds used to supply and to -use of any military weapons for-instead use for social services and unmet community needs. furthermore, i would like the proud city of san francisco to send a message to the federal government legislators, the weapons manufacturers, u.s. military, the police force itself and general public that we do not want or need military weapons to handle our civic

affairs and prefer to use the funds for police training in community relations, non violent interventions and management of law enforcement and in addition meeting community needs. thank you for your attention and i wish you all great luck. >> thank you. can we have our next caller, please? >> (inaudible) my god. so, first off, we always have a bunch of people that don't live in san francisco that want to come on and advocate for what is going on in san francisco. you need to stop that. number 2, the police-there are lot of good police officers. i had seen them last night (inaudible) deal compassionately and

not with assault rifles. (inaudible) when you are saying that the criminals are taking over the streets, you need to look at why are we not holding other agencies account able for the work they are supposed to be doing? i think there should be a medium in there for assault rifles and at the same time held accountable. the (inaudible) it ends up here in our community. i mean, they have all these stuff up there and on january 6 when they had the insurrection (inaudible) because they were a lot of white people. one person got shot. (inaudible) black lives matter and they were doing peaceful protest so therefore we can't take away everything from the police to do their job. at the same time you can't give them everything-

[difficulty hearing speaker due to audio quality] for the work they are supposed to be doing (inaudible) their job for mental health to call the police and then do it in a compassionate way. we need to find a medium and stop allowing people that do not live in san francisco, white people that dont live in san francisco to speak up for san francisco when it is not for us in the first place. it will cause more harm to our communities (inaudible) that's my two cents of the whole thing- >> your time elapsed. thank you. that was our last caller for public comment. >> okay. public comment for today at least is closed, and colleagues as previously discussed i make a motion to continue this to our meeting of november 14. on that motion, a roll call, please.

>> yes, on the motion to continue the matter to november 14- [roll call] motion passes without objection. >> alright. next and last item please. see you wednesday. >> next on the agenda is item 6. ordinance amending the campaign governmental conduct code to update the conflict of interest code form 700 filing requirements by adding deleting and changing titles of certain designated officials and employees to reflect organizational and staffing changes and by refining disclosure requirements for certain designated officials and employees. >> alright. we have been asked by the department of human resources that is still meeting and conferring to continue this item to the 12 day of december, but

meanwhile, we have a few amendments to discuss that i will pull up here in a minute. i got from president walton's office that seem to be relatively de minimis in nature but require continuance anyway. added 1 position to city attorney office restoring the two disclosures from fine art museum and city administrator. adding the refuse rate board to (inaudible) and a new section 3.1-397 as the-i have a couple questions we can figure out between now and december 12 as it relates to the refuse rate administrator on page 17, which sets

the rate administrator-this was at the suggestion of the controller as a disclosure category 2, and i think we should think about whether that should be a disclosure category 1. the way it is currently written, the refuse rate administrator when that individual is retained by the city pursuant to proposition f of last june, would only have to disclose their investments and positions in a business entity which is engaged in the refuse business in san francisco. i found that maybe to be too narrow. to the extent that there is every competition in this arena as it relates to

refuse other then by recumbent recology provider it seems to me this individual should have to disclose any relations with any refuse business regardless whether they have business in san francisco or not. so, madam deputy city attorney, i assume we can take this up with the controller and deal with it in the interim. >> deputy city attorney ann pearson. yes the controller office has recommended the designation and they can explain why they went with the 2 instead of 1. as to the issue about disclosures related to interest outside the jurisdiction, this is drafted to conform or operationalize the political format and that state law requires disclosures of financial interest within a jurisdiction. so, all of disclosures respect

within the jurisdiction. that is why this is drafted the way it is. the board could certainly decide this is a position that should make additional disclosures above and beyond those required by state law, but that would probably need to be codified elsewhere. >> alright. thank you for that. the only other thing which is super nit-picky that i'll add is just i never heard-this is page 18 of a director of public space regeneration. what is that? this is not exactly rhetorical question, but i wouldn't mind hearing from the economic workforce development office what that is. there is some other goofy new titles. deputy director of community economic development invest in neighborhoods. i guess maybe we knew that, but public space

regeneration, what is that? are there any members of the public who like to testify on this item? >> yes, members of the public who wish to speak on this item and joining in person can line up to speak at this time. for those listening remotely call 415-655-0001 and enter id24889 aket 77754 and pound and pound again. once connected you need to press 3 to enter the speaker line. for those already in the queue please continue to wait until the system indicates you run muted and that is your queue to begin comments. there are no members in the room. we have one caller on the line for public comment at this time. can we have our first caller? >> great. david pillpel, one of my favorite tasks to go through. throughout i

think generic titles like manager 1, manager 3 can be more specific. some departments have that, others don't. i don't understand why a number of policy and communication positions are category 1 and not category 2 where that exists. it seems they would have limited ability to make decisions that implicate coi issues. very specific airport, page 4-11 i would use divisions because the airport is large and it is difficult to figure which positions if they are not set up by division. the controller, page 18, i don't understand the reference to these prop q whatever it is instigator positions. i think that could be better explained or more specific. dem page 19, i would use divisions. there are too many abbreviations with respect to dem about (inaudible) some of us know what that

means but it is not particularly clear. page 22, 918 may not deed division since it is so small and there is reference to new positions on one line i think could be struck. dhr, page 34, lines 10 and 11, again, prop q positions. puc, page 39 to 50. again, i would use divisions. this is proposing to collapse all that. saf, page 56-58. i don'ts think the lower level positions need to be category 1. that seems inconsistent with other departments and perhaps inconsistent with their responsibilitiess and finally, ocii page 59, line 2, i believe the sub-a in parenthesis at the beginning can be deleted. if you want to advise if there is someone i should follow up with on these specifics i'm happy to communicate that and look forward to the further hearing on this in december. thanks. >> thank you. any

other members for this item? >> no additional callers for this matter. >> alright. to the speaker, if you want to put that in an e-mail and send it to the clerk of this committee, he will dissiminate it to the appropriate parties. public comment is closed. i will make a motion to adopt the amendments circulated by nattily gee on behalf of president walton and make one other additional amendment at page 17 at section 3.1-195 to change the refuse rate administrator from disclosure category 2 to disclosure category 1. and on that double amendment or two amendments in one, a

roll call please. >> on the motion to amend-- [roll call] >> motion passes without objection. >> alright. and then depending on what the voters decide tomorrow, we may or may not on december 12 take out the reference to the department of streets and sanitation, but we'll figure that out tomorrow night or december 12, which ever comes first. i make a motion to continue the item as amended to december 12. >> motion to continue to december 12- [roll call] >> the motion passes without objection. >> we are adjourned.

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>> hi. thanks for coming today. really appreciate you coming out. this idea of a round table actually i have been wanting to do for many years especially it talk with fellow veterans. i'm excited for today. we get into it. if you guyings could introduce yourself to the group. and how you came to which finds that recruiter or you know how to finds that dotted line and put up your hand for the oath. alex. >> i'm alex, u.s. army, i joined the military because i came from a heritage my family in the military it was just normal for

me to. i enjoy it serving in the military. that was a reason why to keep it in the family >> how long du serve. >> 11 years. >> nice. you are in now. >> still active duty. >> great. >> thank you. how about you, tanner. >> i'm tanner, i was at the marines and i did 5 years 2013-2717. i always knew i uponed to be in the military. like alec we have family members navy, army and all the above. i figured i would go in this one. and yea i did 5 years. and it was amazing. iel >> you were take being pictures or video? for when i was there triple circumstance forefronting i

marine corp tv serious. we were doing like documentary work, right. so -- we would cover like the first female infant real marines covered on the east and first female assault [inaudible] as well. where they work on the big man escaping my. the triple aman b. covered the training they did, being able it deadweight lift, 168 pounds out of the av. everything that we did. [laughter]. so. it was incredible y. when i was in the navy my last 2 years in,

i was electronic technician i worked on radar and gps stuff. and you know they called me twijet, tweak and adjust it. i actually [laughter] was interested in film make thanksgiving was in 99 in 2000. my last deployment i wanted to make videos. and so i started my friend and i the other guys, mo japanese and chinese guy started a show on the ship. mtv, tom green. and going making people answer stupid questions. and like, um. ... something like that. and that's how i learned everything and within our own ship and love and you make a

montage of the ship's prescription and like that. it is how i started other than being a kid and filming stuff that's how i became a film maker. opposite of when my job was. [laughter]. that is awesome. keep the ship's entertainment with young -- >> we would do like mtv cribs style. on the ship. and so people would be this is where i sleep on the missile and stuff like that. and the air dents the guy who is flew the helos found a smoke machine and smoked it out and come out of it. [laughter] stuff like that. [laughter]. tax dollars. [laughter]. awesome. cool. jimmie how about yourself. i'm jim and he how i got enters

old union square soldiers and joes ping. this is neat. and i gay man this is cool. next year i'm at the national guard unit signing up and taking my oath. when i got to the fortmy first night i said what have i gotten myself in. i joined because i love my country and i will serve and survived i'm proud of being a vet republican serving my counsel row. how long du serve. >> national guard 83-89. quarter master and i took a leave in 83 due to illness. >> chris how about yourself. >> my father was in the korean war, had a bronze star and purple heart. my uncle in vietnam. he was aef missile maintenance worked on the hawk missiles. and so, i decided to follow the

tradition and i went in the u.s. army. from 1982 to 2002. spent 20 years. and my time was over in bosnia. that was an eye opener for mow. i seen children wound in the combat from the mines and all that stuff placed is there. it is it affected me. in a way of what are we dog in this world. and but i enjoyed serving my counsel row like my father and uncle and -- and -- it was a good tour. >> nice. >> myself, i think i have a different story. i actually just did not get long

with my dad at all. you know all through high school he was kicking me out and staying with friends and stuff like this. i had this mentor from like the boys and girl's club in china town in san francisco. he was in the navy and got out. and for some reason, i thought that was my only out to get oust house or whatever. you know not really well off as a family. did not have the opportunity to go to a 4 year school. and did not understand school, either. the grants and what not. when i heard like college fund g. i. bill and this stuff. that is interesting. and obviously i think my friend he was like, if you want to be safe don't go marine or army and if you want adventure take navy. you seat world. i went in served from 97-03.

stationed uss [inaudible] the destroyer and did my time we did 3 and one south pack got to see a lot of the world. on the ship a lot. and -- so -- just much different life than all my friends had. i wanted to ask how was like that first moment few days of boot camp. for me, i admit i was by the time i got in bed may be 72 hours later i get off the bus i started crying. and like saying what the hell did i do here? even getting off the bus and everyone was shouting out numbers. real iegz everybody telling social security number and i was

trying to mem rise mine on the bus. getting used to that atmosphere of yelled at a lot. how was this first few moments of boot camp am >> so traveling from san francisco is where i signed up to san diego, i done think about it we went occupy and stabilized and down and straight in the unfortunately the group i was we were late for the drill destructors we got yelling off the bat. the first couple of moments. after that first week you know it basement new normal. it was great. >> and remoinldz me when did you join. 2013. >> okay. i want to gauge era was 97 they

were able to touch you and, yea. >> and stuff like that. and [laughter] i heard 2013 did they toucher or yell. they were in the supposed to touch you. a little crazy. but you know it was all nothing was done maliciously it was done for actual training. >> how about yourself >> boot camp for me -- it was too difficult but had hard times but i within down [inaudible] i enjoy today. i learned, lot about myself as a person going down there. but it was a good time. >> nice.

chris? >> well when i went in it was they were allowed to work you over for pushups and sit ups and all this stuff sxf dropping you and -- i was my dad went through it i was like, i know i can do this. i rarely b dw pushups when i left i was doing 40 pushups. >> they were allowed reach out and touch you but in the time frame they were adjusting to getting away from that. and they did in the do it in a way to be malicious. they did it as a training thing. and i enjoyed it.

i liked it. >> yea. >> it it is like a -- if everyone is suffering together it created a bond. you know. the command. there was a thing called ricky lane. ricky short for recruit and upon then stoims when we get in trouble everyone have to pull out their bunks out to the side and we valid to exercise until the ceiling drips from condensation. you hear or see coming in yelling ricky rain! ricky rain! everyone is no. running trying to get water in them they know they will sweat it out and stuff like that. that was something i remember. >> how about you jimmie. >> i rhode to oklahoma in 83.

we get in the camp and the gentlemen gets on the bas likes like lou from officer and gentlemen. says y'all got 30 seconds to get on my bus. i'm sitting there. everyone jumped up. what are you waiting for. i thought. no that was my big mistake. i thought. >> i said it was scary. the first night. what in the hell have i done? i'm a gay man in the united states. they could not mess with you perform i said god give me my strength you will make it and it was a unique experience i was 32 when i went in called me grand pa. and thanks to discipline of the old school they grab you by the shirt. this one was good there. and it was unique experience. at 32 i learned how to grow up to survive. and reach out to your comrades

to help each other that was the best responsiblesful knowing i'm serving my country when i go hope i still will by helping my fellow veterans. >> what were highlights or challenges you faced during. >> challenge was i was 32 years old most were 18. i'm thinking how will i make it. the first time we did a drill you gate the knapsack and 500 pounds of stuff you don't need and marching and said, mac. you owled hound you are doing it see that man up there. he said if i thought they would kick my tail he will not i will keep up. and it was young pep that encouraged me and i was able to encourage them saying that you guys are young and i'm older we need to work together. to me that was the idea of joining the service is making

good friends and knowing you are look out for your country to have our freedom and go accomplices and do things. and -- when i put my uniform on i was a proud soldier. i had to take leave. u neefk experience i dolled it gwen if i had the chance to. >> one of the obvious challenge for me was coming from san francisco as chinese-american and in the bubble. and going serving in the military and being exposed to everything new. my ship of 400 i was the only chinese guy there were 12-15 asian people in general. trying new things. seeing and trying new things. pig in a blanket the random normal things, meat loaf i never

tried it until i was in the service. it was a hard adjustment at first. but i think as i got to the ship upon then you know you start creating the core friendships with people. whether in the trenches with you know your you know realistic like i think -- somehow it got past the point of like whether you are black or white or brown or yellow and stuff like that. we are part of the same team and fighting for our country. it felt strong especially like a few moments where our ship was one of the first notoriety uss cole when they got bombed and when 911 happened. that was my 4 yearn verse row in

the navy on that day, 911. it was like this everything changed at the moment but the same time everyone left and always got each other's back. felt like we can do anything. how about you alex? most challenging thing i had in the service was being in the navy air bourn. [inaudible]. and for people who would not know what that means or what is this? so. the 82nd air bourn can deploy around the world in 18 hours or less. so with this type of you know background requires training and things like that. you know. a lot of operations and involved and just take a toll on the body but it is rewarding. which is cool. >> yea. that was the hardest in my

career. >> wow >> that is awesome. >> chris? >> my first [inaudible] which a it was 16 weeks. went to school for electronics. and from there you how to fix missiles. and bradleys [inaudible] came out later. from there i went to 101st airbourn and assault they had similar mission as 82nd they had to deploy within 18 hours. and we had just forces that were -- part of 101st. our group was stationed there. and it was eye opener. they have an incident in africa

that jumped up and sent one of our teeps out in the africa with the infantry. and went out on this mission. >> dang, that's crazy. crazy how there is so much. other than seeing the movies how much like stuff we don't know upon what happened. you know behind the scenes and like -- and -- obviously we are here. and we are here living our life and enjoying a cup of coffee on there is like so much crazy stuff going on. you know. it is amazing. tanner. >> the most challenging things that challenged mow in the mentally in the marines my last

unit i was stationed combat service support schools. and we had i very small combat team. as a video. there are 3 of us. and out of the 3 we had we over the course of a little over a year and change, we covered every school in the marine, army and anywhere the marines would train we would travel and do all that. and i think i put in like 14 or 1500 hours after work to get everything done for editting. you know always driving and moving. like that last year i did not have a life. but you know we got it done. [laughter] and -- yea. i money i loved the fieldoms.

i don't know how you live on the navy ships. [laughter]. like ape mont and i was like never again. please. get me off this ship. but yea. i think working with the triple s was the hardest thing we had to do. everybody with the normal job you get off and you are done with us behind the scenes is always editting and working. yea. it instilled really good what it is called? discipline. [laughter]. yea. >> key word. >> yea. >> i think even just some people are like discipline wise, some are surprised like to me like when i show up early to things.

and not like on time but early. like today you showed up early they are like. of course. he is a veteran. for some reason most people it is like you know being late is okay or on time is okay but in our mind set being on time is not okay. have you to be early to everything. so you can see that. jimmie can i ask if you as a gay man, did you have challenges being in the military? i know like that whole era of when don't ask don't tell was happening. >> i say when i went in there, it was tough. but i said i made my choice. nobody else. i said if i become out it would be the biggest embarrassment my grant father was navy and brother was vietnam vet republican. i can't do that. i will dot best i can.

one thing helped break the ice. will somebody finds out. back then they could beat your ass or the commander will walk up and say you are out we don't want your kind. one experience we did camouflage. we had a drill sergeant. your best friends and times you wanted run the other way when they locked at you. and this one said, we am do camouflage i had the perfect person who will help us out i said, oh , shit, he said mr. san francisco, i said hum. you have something to sigh. no, sir i don't want to go to the brig. i said no , i can't out of respect to let you know because people come from san francisco okay -- when i within to another i did schooling a guy come over

and said you know we need to have a talk. i said did i do something. be open with me. okay. yes , sir. cool. that's all i want to know. i thought but i feel the tension i want you to know i admired and respect you. when you put your uniform on you took pride and being a gay man. that is amazing. i said it is sad this people judge because of what you do behind closed doors they judge when you do in public that's when they did they judged mow in public doing good. and when i was in my national guard unit i took pride the minute i put this uniform on. the commander recognize today and appreciated when they needed somebodieen though i was quarter master they need me the kitchen i was there. and share this last store. i was on weekend maneuvers in

san francisco during fleet week the commander said i need you. using stainless steel trace. i'm getting red it scoop potato a blue angel flew under the golden gate bridge. that was unique experience and i got sick with hiv and commander said if anything in my powers to change things i would. excuse me i get emotional you were one of the best quarter masters this unit had. you respected soldiers before than i grab things. you taught them respect and dignity. that was part of the training i got from the military. respect. respect all your fellow americans. that's why i'm proud to be a veteran. >> amazing >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i got a story.

there is in 85 when beirut was bombed. they called 101st out. we lost in the infantry unit when the plane went down when the alert came up, we were all jumping around and getting gear and stuff ready. and they looked and like, where is tex. tex was the soldiers that was with us. worked [inaudible]. [inaudible]. and like where is tex? and opened up and found tex in the [inaudible] and -- [laughter]. hello. come on. the locker that is i good one

>> [laughter]. >> so i asked everyone if you could bring something to share with the group and share why it has significance to you. what is special and share a store beit and stuff. how about we start with alex? can you share with us when you brought today. >> so i receive third degree coin [inaudible] my commander because i was playing an important role in the operation we did. in 2019-2020. wow. got this for if will a great role there. >> how does this make you foal. >> i felt great because it was not expected. and you know it made mow feel i was a part of the 82nd at that time. it felt great to receive this coin.

>> cool. >> wow >> amazing. >> can you describe what is on there. >> it is basically it is our panters this is the panther logo here. you got [inaudible] 2p... and the operations we have been on. >> that is neat. amation perform awe some. thank you. tanner? how about yourself? >> i have my camera. cool. the reason why i like have this and it is always reminds me of my service. when i joined for cam bat camera they never gave me the photo video roll. if the military if they finds out you are good at something they don't teach you the rest of it. [laughter]. i was actually i work in the the

first year in change a print master. i would take all the other photographer's photos and print them up and almost nay and that other stuff. i critiqued the hell out of them. until they sent mow in the field with my own camera i bought a sony. and had to prove myself. i always shot sewn still do. and i'm really proud i had the prove myself and you know out did the other trained marines. awesome. >> jimmie? >> okay the one i forgot to bring was one of our late members arch wilson he served during world war ii. and gave me his sergeant in arm's pin. it was the ribbon and the sergeant of arms and the one part fell off i gota glue it

back. and something else october fourth we feel had an event in this build nothing this wool invited 200 visiting people for fleet week and meet them and did a group picture and the end, commanders came up to me and saidom behalf of the uss vincent we like to present this to you. and if you like to see that. the heard vicinity evervennes 8 the uss. it was know honor i will carry this to the day i go it men a lot. some stay is just i coin. men to you a coin but to veteran its is special and it is meant to give honor. and i get -- when you look back you say i remember when this happen third degree day and got

to meet wonderful veterans. >> chris. um -- i got a lot of coins when i was in this one i got from commissioner wilyom barnacle veteran affair's commissioner for san francisco. >> wow. i was having a hard time with homelessness and trying to survive in san francisco on 1200 a month. that was my military retirement. sword to plow shares got me in a place and i went up from there and guardualy built back up and got my benefits and i was suffering from both upon mental and physical disabilities. and commissioner barnacle when

he gave this to me, its got his commissioner on it and his nameful integrity first and service and excellence in all we do. that -- i tick that to heart. this means a lot to me. so. he is airforce veteran. and what i liked most is this veterans coming together whatever branch they are in coming together and doing good things for the community and doing things for other veterans. it means a lot. so. that's what this means i carry it with me every where i go. >> thank you for sharing that. >> great, wow. i brought a picture. of my family. and this was from 2001 fleet

week we came to san francisco. the first time they ever came on my ship my mom, dad, brother and his wife and my grand pa. and it had ash lots of significance to me because -- you know they honest low did not know anything about what i was doing had no clue other than movies. right. and you know having this really bad relationship with my dad it kind of put something new in him that saw me on the ship working with the people like being responsible for millions of dollars of equip. right. and you know this was literally the first time he said he was proud of mow this time he visited. we were not a family that says like, i love you or what a good job thing, you know. the first time he said that to me. it meant a lot.

and it is like this moment of weird. this moment of like not being accepted by my family but being like almost accepted as if like i was a true american feeling. because like growing up it is like balancing 2 cultures you know. and so but having them like a small family of chinese people walking through a ship with the others and everyone is wondering, what is going on. but then all the sudden they also felt proud to be an american, too much being in this country as well their son was serving for the country and stuff like that. it was like a really, really great moment just having them see what i do and -- yea. and you know. forever that just this memory is just will be with me forever.

joy like to comment on this photograph. it moves me. i'm an emotional people it moved me. i never met this gentlemen. shared the story how dad said, i accept you. you are a veteran and serving. that is moving, today e approximately in the gay community there are fells that you are gay, get out of here. i'm thankful my family accepted me and i relate this where his father get out. but when you put this uniform on it opened his eyes. i just thank you for sharing that. i wish every family could be like that. that is my goal. if you are a veteran your family should accept you. thank you for share thanksgiving with us this means a lot >> the tough part of adjusting that to and it is wored for mow to say civilian life i feel like a civilian but i'm not and i am but get back to civilian life we

are used to this structured life. you know having food cooked for us and having the medical bay ready for us. and knowing when we will do from literally 8 a.m. to sick p.m. every day and stuff. so,mented hear that it -- if it was how was this transition back to civilian life? >> when i came back home it was interesting because -- they had not passed the don't ask don't tell. i was living in the castro 4 our 407, 17th street. il live my life. if that is how you knoll is your problem. i served prud low. one thing i noticed i went it golden gate park helecopter

came. i doe to the trees. got out of basic training. got it. it was neat. i was still very gung-ho. what is wrong with him. he came out of the military. how du survive. you learn to keep your mouth shut and go with thefully. now we say what we want. i think one thing that bothered me a bit was you go to a store or something and say, do you give discount for veterans. it is amazing the number of people are appalled why shoe get special treatment. excuse me? we served our country we are entitled. people say, glad to have you here. others look at you like, i say, you know it it is sad.

i served my country you can do things like that, that's okay. that's okay well are men good people that appreciate us veterans. once i realized i'm here and people will accept me or not and i said, you accept me that's cool. again until i got sick and i had to take early leave i put my uniform on every among. went to san mateo unit served and came home and live aid normal life. as normal as could be. [laughter]. chris? 20 years in and retiring -- i'm still wing on getting back. because -- you get in that military mind set.

you look at like i go back to my mentor. and i have flash backs of seeing the kids in the situation they were in and it affected me. a lot and so it is taken akwhiel. i have ptsd and depression because of physical injuries. would i do it again? i would. because it is for my country. >> amen to that. >> yea >> and to get in more like for me, the doctor said i had ptsd it was adjustment disorder. it was like going to a new environment, new setting and trying to hard to figure out how

to do that. for you like -- was it something you seeked out help for or something. >> absolutely. absolutely. i it was not until i got to san francisco, because -- well, let me go over the story. after i retire friday the service i moved up to virginia and hired as a senior logistic's engineer because of my electronic background. and worked on turrets as well. so when i was there, i was around military people and the marines and colonel talked to me and asked me, brad low have a manual site. i said, yea. how committee did not put one on [inaudible].

near the marines. i was like because an over look today and messed up. that was in the my exact words but. he appreciated that because i was honest with him. and they went become at this time drawing boarded and took care of that problem. they were trying to get marine updated equipment. i will felt like -- i did feel before seeking help and -- it was not -- i don't know a weird thing like i know a lot of my friends had suffered a lot of mental health problems and hearing what they were going through. i felt bad for them. i never thought that -- whatever i was going through was as series as what they were. i never thought i should get

help. and so i think once the doctor gave me a diagnose it was more accepting and found help and got help. before this i was trying to avoid it. or at least not name it. i don't know. >> to go on top of this. it is a military thing inspect general where they teach you to not seek help. if you are seen at the medical office you are weak. >> yea. >> unfortunately that's the modo but at the same time, sloulth you should reach out. it will not make you weaker. >> i didn't get much treatment until 7 years after i was out.

a diagnosed me with migraines and it was but -- later down the road i knew i needed help for the other things going on with flash backs and different things like that. once i got to san francisco i got this help. san francisco has the best va out there. and they to being me to and i had a personality disorder. i was not used to hearing that. i went to the different programs they got for mental health and it helped me to come out of the shell and become in society and stuff like that. and appreciate being around my fellow veterans and not worrying

about this is coming back in my mind and stuff. and it is helped me grow and move forward and move on. with my life. and helping other vet residence get through it, knowing veterans coming out of the service. not prepared because they were not briefed ahead of time. when you are in face at this time out tempo is like really strong. we work 18 hour days. 7 days a week and you are programmed. into that. coming out it takes awho i to decompress. decompress and get become to normal life with your fellow people in the country. >> yea. fellow citizens >> i'm glad you got that help,

years ago my company wanted to send me to a psychiatrist because of homo sexuality. i'm glad you receive third degree help and there are people oust there this need help. we'll talk about this we need to start reaching out to the people approximate. sometimes people were afraid to ask. don't be afraid to reach out. anything we can do as a fellow veteran. get medical help. talk with somebody that will help you. i'm glad you were able to get this treatment you deserve it as a vet wan ran and personful i'm glad you are doing better. >> thank you. jowl are welcome. >> great to hear. >> alex i know upon it is different for you you are in serving now but. i still struggle.

[inaudible] the [inaudible] what i have been through or is going through. will you know tough to slope and stuff like this. and always red ready to go even if we don't have to do anything it is always there in the mind. it could be difficult you know, transitioning back to civilian life. can you can be in the service still [inaudible]ful i can only imagine transitioning to full time civilian. is it an active is it is more talked about now. as far as take careful mental healing >> especially from everybody's time in the service it changed a lot. but i will say, you know, it is

broefed to you but you have to you know push yourself as well, to get the treatment as well. i will say sometimes, those things are then out to a soldier or service member. it is briefed to get help if you need it. [inaudible]. >> yea. >> it helps with other veterans you know to see that. and they reach out. i don't know if everybody knows, congress is mandated through law that we reach out to all veterans and make sure that they get a chance to if they need benefits they get them. and -- so it is roaching out to veterans and trying to there is one veteran that would not and he slept in the train station in

powell street. he wanted nothing to do with society. and they tried everything they could to get him to come in but -- >> yea. just it was sad. and i don't want to leave a veteran behind. because they did in the leave me in combat. they did not leave me when i was going throughout training next to them of everybody was hey, let's pick him up and bring him along. and -- that's the biggest thing about vet republicans and the bond we got is because it is a team player. and -- you help one another get through what you are going through. >> yea. i had i friends that he was

sharing to me it was tough because you know he was doing these group therapy sessions with other veterans. it felt not weird but there is impostor syndrome. you feel you don't belanguage there. like hoe is probably in this group with other vet republicans that lost a limb or severe and he is more depressed but feel like he belonged being injured or having something wrong with him. and like so sometimes, when other veterans can talk to each other and rbi violet each other and share their story whether how good, bad or worse it is you are going through that. everyone is going through their own journal and he it is very different. but we all deserves to get help and because what we sack filesd

and done for our count rope and stuff. it it is hopefully they can offer the service but it is for us to go in there and get the service. but we have to try to share that you know whether it is how easy or accept today is or not like something this makes you weak or something this is like you know, a bother some for others. because you might feel like i can do it on my own i don't want to bother my mom or dad to take me. we want to try to make sure everyone is okay. you know. >> yea. >> i got my e mill from merge legion headquarters and love they reminds you, dot calling tree. that is where if you have not seen you in i couple weeksil call and you -- don't be afraid i'm sorry i need to be by

myself. that's fineful let them know. sometimes i seen people are like they feel nobody calls you. why should i live? we all ishmael live and be able to have somebody we say i will call and you weville coffee. talk about when you need to talk about to get it off your chest. sometimes we are like a few minutes to talk to somebody. that can be a life changing experience knowing that somebody took time to care for me. that is important. we need to have every vet republican to call the v. a. and not put on hold for 5 months. you need help you should go in today and immediately get treatment. and there is no reason why we can't do this. i wish there was a way i could go to congress and kick tail and tell them. look you need to get your act together the people served their counsel row. they came home. my brother came home as a heroin

addict from vietnam if you were not buzzed by 9 in the morning you did not survive. they needed the help and should not be denied the help. never if there was a way to make that bill effective immediately no veteran would be turned away for anything. >> i will show that you bill. it is in there what we need to do is let people than it it is in there. >> i done know this. you tuesday today. i'm learning. them is important. get together and talk you pleasure you share and that's how you roach out to help others. i thank you for this. >> yep >> absolutely. >> very important. >> your approximation you know i have been watchingior passion with when you were speaking to 200 veterans navy veterans and the airforce. marines -- you can see this in your voice how you are caring.

and they seen that. and that let's them know, hey, we are taking the time and moving on and we got people back here that supports us. that is so personal >> thank you that was think honor. let them know i know most of you are many miles away from home. you are on active duty we want to make sure you know we are your family today and step and up be family for every veteran 365 days a year. >> i like to see more. >> yep. veteran is veterany when you get deployed you christmas time. you are not home with your family you are on the battle field. >> uh-huh. >> and knowing that somebody is back here that got your back. and stuff like that is

important. >> yep >> when could we say let's say for alex still serving, what could we say or advice for him as far as like taking care of his mental healing or even. one day i don't know soon or later you will get out of the service. what is like advice we learn said mental health we can pass on to alex? >> i think you should be able to go in and see the if you are having depression or having a moment, you should be able to go in to the tmc and be seen without having repercussions oh , he has depression electric at when hoe is doing. it is not like that. >> right. we can function and still do our jobs but have the depression and have ptsd.

we need coping skills. >> you know. >> but we are still an active part of getting the job done and the mission done. and so that's what i would tell you is -- you know don't be afraid to go in and talk to them and say, tell them what is going on and stuff like this. or each your fellow veterans. just get in a group. we used to -- play quarters and talk. after -- and but -- we never got too far gone with drinking. where we couldn't help our fellow veteran. and that comradery -- is you

have it while you are in and you got it when you are out. we are here also. >> so. >> i recommend if you have access that you go years ago, if you said, you mention it, put this person at the end of the line buzz they are nuts. it is not we are nutings we have emotional problems. and being active person there is in reason why you should in the got on person and say, i'm having a problem can we have a talk. you should have that instantly. because he went through a lot he was tough. got the help. i would not like to see you where you are like, they didn't care. no that should not being you are active they should take care of you immediately and retired vet residence should be no questions asked if you need help. get this instantly.

absolutely. when you deny veterans this is a slap in the face to the veterans in the country. i had a friends this every veteran should have free medical and go it dental. i echo that. every veteran who serves free medical. period. >> and one more thing. we heard in the news people come to the country flowing from country the persecution and they are willing to serve our country. by god if you take your head and swear an oath to the country i think you should become a citizenship. it is sad we see you served now it is up 3 them back that is wrong if you are willing to serve of the cubs row this country for the military by god the minute you take you were

hand and say, iup hold, you say, yes i'm a citizen. and that law should be in ascii. and if there was a way to get this law enacted today i would be so happy. i seen where families are torn apart you did your job, get out. you served this country and deserve to stay and be a citizen immediately. >> yep. i see that. >> >> so it has been more recent since i have been out in 2017. transition is ridiculous. you gentleman from having absolutely your entire life is schedule and maintained you don't think you will just do it. and then you show up in the civil yen world and everything is different. everybody islet. it is like -- [laughter] not like you don't have to show up exactly on that specific time. but like even now i still show

up early to things. i thank you is helps me as a person. remember but mriek you always still carry that sense of urgency and the stress this come with temperature you manage it now and talking to the psychiatrist and getting help is something that is a necessity. dwro especially you know we are coming out of covid this hit everybody hard. i'm still coming become with my social skills you don't talk to anybody for 2 years. especially in the civilian side and going to college. you know that was really rough. a rough time. i got help through that. and that is -- is needed. so funny enough in the marines

we called the psychiatrist. to me like a no-no word. they are loishg, no, no, no don't talk about this stuff. we called them wizards. [laughter] they do magic. [laughter]. yea. when we have like our marines and when i picked up sergeant i tried talk to my marines to get them help of the prior they were not like that. you know they would almost see everything in the opposite to keep you away from medical or psychiatrists or anything. it is not a sign of weakness. it is more a sign strength on you. you are able tom recognize that -- something is off and i need help. and lastly the last question, and thank you for sharing i know

it is a tough but accepted topic to talk about. if we are not experts and don't know how to talk about mental health it is a great conversation to have. especially hearing from fellow veterans. lastly, so, knowing what you know now, y'all experiences good and bad, would you do it all over again? yes. absolutely. >> in a heart beat >> yes. >> i think so, too. >> i think i always say, there were a lot more negatives than positives but came out a better person. and you know and something like that, i -- would have -- something you can't take away and like -- i could not imagine myself my life if i never went in. and served i feel like you know -- of course there will be negative with every experience whether college, marriage, you

know different chapters in your life but what you learn from it or who you met. and friendships and all the things that all of the other positives. we pay attention to negatives this sticks with us more. but would do it again. anyone elsement to comment. i would do it again the u neefk part of i went in as an old man. [laughter]. so after -- [laughter] and grandpawhat are you doing. i love the wardrobe and the -- accommodations and meal is wonderful. bring me ring the bell in the morning. >> and -- it was a unique experience i thought i'm not going to maker it. i said to myself. you made the bed you slope in it. i said i will be determined to do that. of the discipline part was ease

the old days i will knock you overwhelm if you electric at me crosside. physical was tough. i did it. the one thing i was glad when i got to virginia, my pt got cut due to age. all them pushups and sit ups. it was u nobodying and i got to be platoon guide. and i was still they claim i had to promote. i will share you learn how to do marching my first day i learned. move them over am turn them right. i could not remember platoon halt. i'm like stop. and my first start dpoog. -- the next day they made me do drill time for 3 hours i know it properly now. it was a unique experience and

would gladly do it again. i love my country and u unique. when i went to -- still fortlee? i wake up and step on the floor my feet were numb. i went to the doctor and he said we will see what is wrong. when i step it is numb. okay. he turns what is this there. took a cigarette lighter. ouch. this is better. no you don't have put your boot become on and get to class. my first few weeks of boot camp they gave mow the wrong prescription gla glasses they

are called bc, birth control glass they are so thick. and [laughter] first few weeks i kept 3ing up and would not fix t. deal with t. then they told me one day i broke it. i need to glasses and they if i canned my prescription. ridiculous. chris. would you do it over again? i would definitely do it over again. and hinds sight is with me, there is a few things i would do different. i got the special force course and all that stuff. because of car accident i had there was an alert and i come on a curb and 2 hill billys -- parkod that side of the road

headlights on and had to veer right and hit a dumpster. 2 of them. and my old 41 end of the car was smashed up. i was going in an alert first and that hit this affected me. i did not realize how bad until san francisco v. a. got a hold of me and now they are looking at tv guys and all that stuff. i would do it over again >> yea. alex? >> aloment of things i would you know wish could have done as well. like. [inaudible] [cannot understand speaker]. jumping with what i wanted to do

and do it. >> yea. >> [inaudible]. >> how about you >>. absolutely i would in a heart beat. like the physical stuff that was my favorite. right going in the field and a month out with guys pouring rain you near north carolina. and rains more than you have sun. you live next to the swamps. but -- you know that was my favorite. being out outside with other marines or other military always working. like you know the civil yen lifestyle that is a thing that changed. i could not go out and keep working and will doing all the stuff now we are on sets. you know dealing with fake lighting all day. you go in the dark and leave when it is dark. and i miss the sunlight. yea.

yea. do it gwen in a heart beat. >> one last. what was it like the minute you jumped out of the plane the first time? >> i have been curious. >> i was on a rope. >> okay. i'm sure i had a different experience for me -- i never had a problem my first time when we were getting red to jump when they open the door this is scare you are don't know how the wind will be or your left laning will be. it it is i had a problem my legs would shake come when we moved that's when everything guess out the window and you know. once you jump out it is different. it is more calm and everything like that. but going on the ground is scary. >> wow.

>> yea. thank you. thank you. >> thank you so much for coming today and sharing. appreciate it. i think likely all said need to roach out to veterans and you know to story a dialogue and you know have that excuse to say what is up and have a coffee or see how they and are check on each other from time to time and stuff like that and want to really thank one voice for putting this getting you together and giving us a pace to film. appreciate them as well. so. thank you, guys. >> thank you. >> head's autopsy look out for each other. when i leave i go to the store and get my post member cough syrup. this is reaching out he said you know i always have been take care of others and forget to take care of myself. his 47 said, call jimmie. don't say i hate to brother you.

it is in brother you pick up the phone and call me i will go to the store and get you cough medicine that's what i like to see more dot acts. kindness. thank youenge here for being here and the production staff it was an honor. thank you very much. >> thank you, guys. >> [music] .

>> my name is kathy mccall. i'm director of san francisco national cemetery here on the presidio of san francisco. this was designated as the first national cemetery on the west coast in 1884.however its history dates back to the 1850s along with the us army presence on the presidio itself. we have 26,300 gravesites that we maintain and thereare 32,000 individuals buried in this cemetery . the veterans who are buried here span all the war period going back to what we call the indian war, spanish-american

war, world war i to korea, vietnam and then as recent as operation iraqifreedom . we have 39 medal of honor recipients. more than 400 buffalo soldiers buried here who are the african-americansoldiers who served with the ninth and 10th calvary . there's so many veterans buried here, each withtheir own unique history and contribution . one of those individuals is all equipment prior. that's not her real name, that's her stage name and she was an actor during the civil war and while she was working she was approached by sympathizers who offered her a sum of money to cost jefferson davis on stage she did this but she recorded it to a union marshall . she was fired for doing this which made her a sweetheart to the local confederates and made

her a good spy for the union. she gave information to the union until late 1863 when she was found out in order to be hung by confederate general braxton bragg of the union troops the town . no longer any good she even wrote a book. she was given the honorary rank of major president lincoln and her inscription reads union spy. >> memorial day is a day of respect and morning for our veterans who have given their all five presidential proclamation it became a national holiday to beobserved on the last monday of the month of may . originally memorial day was called decoration day during the civil war to recognize the veterans whogave their lives . memorial day and veterans day getconfused because it involves

veterans .veterans day is on november 11 is a day to honor our veterans who are still alive while at the same time we pay respect to those who have passed but memorial day is a day to show our respect to what was said and honor ourveterans who have passed on . >> lieutenant john david miley was a graduate of the united states military academy atwest point in 1887 . he was commissioned as a second lieutenant with the fifth artillery regiment with the outbreak of the spanish-american war in 1898 he was assigned an aide-de-camp to major general william shatner, khmer and commander of the expedition to cuba.he was highly trusted and when the general staff fell lieutenant miley was designed to coordinate the attack on san juan hill in his place and would ultimately be the one to give the order that led to the

charge of lieutenant colonel theodore roosevelt and the roughriders . a few days later he served as one of the commissioners who negotiated the spanish surrender of santiago july 17. in 1904 miley in san francisco wasnamed in his honor.we know that today as san francisco va medical center . >> as a young man i grew up in south san francisco right next door to the national cemetery so when i became a cub scout we used to go over there in the 50s and decorate the gravesthat were there. when i got out of the service i stepped right back into it . went out with the boy scouts and put up the flags every year and eventually ended up being a scout at golden gate cemetery for many years. one day a gentleman walked upto

me with a uniform of colonel retired . he grabbed me, i wasin uniform and says i need your help . from that day on i worked with cardinal sullivan doing military funerals and formed a group called the volunteers of america who brought in other veterans to perform military service and the closing of all the bases we got military personnel to do all the funerals. to this day i've done over 7000 funeral services and with my group we supplement the military, all branches. i'm honoring a fellow comrade was given his or her life in service to this country. and the way ilook at it , the last thing the family and friends will remember about that individual is the final service we give to them. so we have to do a perfect job. so that they go home with good memories.

>> our nation flies the united states flag at half staff by presidentialproclamation as a symbol of mourning . also in va national cemetery flags are flown at half staff on the days we haveburials . is lowered to half staff before the first burial takes place and ray is back to full staff after the last arial has been completed . on memorial day weekend we have hundreds of scouts veterans and volunteers who come out and placed individual gravesite flags on every grave throughout the cemetery transformation from when they begin to when they conclude and to have that coupled with our memorial day ceremony is very moving and suchappointment reminder of the cost of our freedom . it's a reminderto us not to take that for granted , to be truly grateful for the price is

paid not only by those who given their lives but those will have served our country and still pay the price today in one way or another and it's so meaningful to be to work in the national cemetery and see the history around us and to know this is such an integral part of our nation's past and present. >> >> i'm connie chan district one supervisor and welcome to the

richmond. >> i'm an immigrant and came to san francisco china town when i was 13 years old with my mom and brother. my first job is at the community organizer for public safety with san francisco state. and land in the city hall and became a legislative aid to sophie maxwell. went through city departments when kamala harris was our district attorney i'm proud to represent the richmondad district supervisor. [music] we have great

neighborhood commercial corridors that need to be protected. the reason why we launched the neighborhood business for supporting the [inaudible] for 15 years special more. we have the legacy business program the business around for 30 years or more and thought, you know, we gotta make sure the next generation contains for generations to come. am i'm ruth the owner of hamburger haven we came back on july 11. we were opened in 1968 at that time i believe one of the owners of mestart today went through a guy named andy in the early 70s and my father took it mid 70s. >> originally was just a burger joint. open late nights. then it changed over the years

and became the breakfast staple. we specialize in breakfast, brunch come lunch now. i love this neighborhood. i grew up here. and it feels like home. i walk down the block and recognize people of people say hello. you say hello you talk and joke. has that familiar environment that is enjoyable and i have not experienced anywhere else. there are many things i would like to see improve ams the things we might see are making sure that our tenants stay housed our small business in tact and those are the solutions that will contain to push to make sure that you know our communities can take root, stay and thrive. >> i'm proud of you know, welcoming folks to the richmond.

everyone loch its we got farmer's market every sunday there. the you see really business at the noaa. ice cream at toy folks and going to chop for book like green apple. and that's when you like the deal is pizza place haall families love. you will see a lot of great chinese shops that is readily available for everyone. >> and that is just thein are richmond there is more to do in the richmond. what is love is the theatre. >> i mean adam and with my wife jamie, own little company called cinema sf we operate the balboa theatre. the vocabularying theatre on sacramento and soon the 4 star on clement. >> balboa theatre opened in 1926 and servicing this outer

richmond neighborhood since then. and close on the heels the 4 star opens since 1913. >> when you come in to a movie theatre, the rest of the world has to be left behind. but you get e mersed in the world that is film makers made for you. that is a special experience to very much we can all think of the movies that we saw in the big screen of with everybody screaming or laughing or crying. it is a shared human experience that you get when you go in to places that are gatherings and artist presented to you. >> a shared experience is the most precious. and the popcorn. [laughter]. at the balboa especially, we stroif to have movies for people of every generation from the pop corn palace movies on the weekend mornings, for families

and kids. this is for everybody of all ages. >> what is great about the richmond is it is a neighborhood of the immigrants. belongs to immigrants not ap i immigrants you will see that there are also a huge population of rush wrans and ukrainian immigrants they stay united you am see that the support they lend to each other as a community. and cinderella bakery is another legacy business. if you go on the website it is known as a russian bakery. the first thing you see their pledge to support the ukrainian community. you will see the unity in the richmond i'm so proud of our immigrant community in the rich monthed. >> my dad immigrate friday iran the reason he stayed was because

of the restaurant. has more centamential value it is the reasonable we are in this country. when he had an opportunity to take over the instruct he stayed that is why we are here part of our legacy and san francisco history and like to keep it going for years to come. >> another moment i'm proud to be supporting the richmond and the only asian american woman elect in the office and as an immigrant that is not happen nothing 3 decades. you see it is my ability to represent especially the asian-american community. in my case the chinese speaking elders in our community that really can allow me to communicate with them directly. i'm program director of adult day centers. i have been here for 7 years i

love to help the communities and help and the people with disability. i foal a connection with them. i am anim grant i love helping our community and new immigrants and improvements. >> if you want nature, richmond is the neighborhood to go we are between ocean beach heights and golden gate park. >> i love the outer richmond. for me this is the single best neighborhood in san francisco. everybody knows each other. people have been living here forever. it is young and old. the ocean is really near by. and so there is that out doors ocean vibe to it. there are places to seat golden gate bridge it is amazing.

businesses are all small mom and pop businesses. houses get passed down generation to generation. it has a small town feel but you know you are in a big city at the same time. it's got a unique flavor i don't see in other neighborhoods j. it is about being inclusive we are inclusive and welcome the communities, anybody should feel welcome and belong here and shop local, eat local. we believe that with that support and that network it come in full circle. it is passing on kinds knows. that's when richmond is about that we are together at once. welcome to the richmond. [music]

>> what i will bring up my lovely cohost and i realized we went to the same high school in sacred heart the lovely of the bay area! >> i love that you did an amazing job after all the year its is a pleasure we never cohost third degree event. i'm thrilled to be here with you yoch excited, this is the first time. >> with we give a shout out toure high school a couple blocks away. gi know >> a lot of green high schools our high school fighting irish sacred heart cathedral. >> that is cool. october, my favorite time we