river. don pedro does not spill as often at hetch hetchy. they were intentional the reservoir is large it holds most of the water coming inform they are intentional releases. turning valves to turn up the water moving fish out. >> thank you. >> i have a few questions. on the slide that you had. with the escapement the number. i noticed there is like a shift in time. you have between 2016 special 22 i don't know if somebody can fwlang slide up. i noticed you have gone from september 16 to like the you --

october first to october like 16 and 17th. is that something that -- is that they like if you look at historical data would we see the shift happening related to later -- rain events you are saying. >> climatic patterns >> we don't know. everybody year is slightly different sometimes when they put county we are in they take it in and out every year. sometimes conscience don't it in there if there are high flows they hold back until they come down a bit. well is inform variation when adid you tell us come back usually within a 2 week to month performed might be delays due to

flow or hi sing and post flows in the fall now. those are meant to help with the conscience special improve them so fish with move through the rivers there are no blockages. i don't know what is happening there. >> and then as you are looking at the next slide i was looking -- you have okay i'm going to come back to this. we have you are talking about the difference with hatchery and natural fish. i wonder if you have statistics on do we know, how easy to recognize between the 2. and then -- how do we know what

percentage are will natural and what are stray. if they are sort of mixing eventually at that point you are losing that natural gene quickly etch >> natural adult looks the same as a hatchery fish except the california department of fish and wildlife mark 25% of the hatchery fish they release that mark is cut the adipose fin a visual thing and tag in their bodies you scan. so, the counting on the tuolumne has a camera on it that takes an image of each fish you can tell which is marked. the cut fin and is not. we know how much marked fish

come through but not how much hatchery fish. we do statistics later to figure out capture and figure out how much fitch were showing up. use the tags. ja this is a guess based from math equation? do you know what [inaudible]. high. so and they vary by year and there are error embarrass. they can be i don't have specific years but you know between 50% and 100% are estimates. and may be the last 5 years. we can provide you with when we have. california department of fish and wildlife their analysis of

hatchery strays going to upon different strolls that work is delayed by 5-10 years. we don't have up to the minute information or annual information on how much hatchery fish are showing up in streams. so that the knowledge the understanding. hatchery is limited. . there have been proposals and i think we have been advocates of this. to do 100% marking instead of 25% to count them in real time of is it hard to do. >> labor intensive. they have machines now that can do some of that work. it is expensive. >> is there a way that they can introduce biodiversity in the fish in the hatch easier. >> yes. there are recommendations from a

group hatchery scientific review group. are a panel tasked with how to improve the hatchery stock in the central valley. one of the recommendations was 100% marking and to reduce the amount of off site releases they do to reduce the straying. the hatch easier have been implementing some of the things.

thez rt fish hago to the san joaquin river and travel to the tuolumne. i of course this it is a good point the coupling is happening if you i mean the hatchery process did not start yesterday. it hen going on for a long time. >> true. >> it is like there needs to be another thing driving this decoupling. beyond just hatchery fish. if we go back here there are many factors. out planning of hatchery fish degone in the 80s in that time frame. a few decades ago and a good

point. what i see looking at this plot here is that we had several droughts and it seems to increase. we have this ocean fishery collapse. the problem where the timing of juveniles headed out to the organization does not line up with food availability and conditions in the ocean were porfor the fish in that year of 2008. and as a result, the cohort of fish that did not make it to adult hood. hatch easier were functioning. we had more fish to release. but what i think happened there probably is that any natural fish this remained were probably wiped out and left with the hatchery population of adults in

the ocean and i think that what we see for the tuolumne is that we are seeing small are response. to all of the anything done because we dot the hatchery population not linked to conditions on the tuolumne and are not adopted to the tuolumne river. or merced river or any of the -- i like what you mentioned there i was wondering if there is did thea that shows that -- that ocean fishery collapse lead to more hatchery fish coming become that way we can test that and see if that is the case there. at some point we have to put the pieces together and figure out what works. obviously flow is important. now, yes well is a level of decoupling happening we need to look at other things in addition

to the flow. we need to know what is it that matters. that can help us. i'm about trying to prevent more you know greater collapse of speesh ease the question is, is that the way to go or xhg something else we can do. and i'm very curious i would love to see what happened in the 2008 or 9. sort of across california coast this happened. just in the bay area or you know -- delta and golden gate area that we. central valley or the river meet the ocean right. in the san francisco bay. so like i'm curious to know how was this how we can sort of take

the piece out and better understand what is going of otherwise, we are like you know having all of the hypotheses we have no way of proving and throwing money at things that may not work or commit to thing this is may not be helpful. we are community committed to the environment we want to survive. we'll provide you more information what happened in 2008 and 9 time frame and happy to provide you with other information you need. you know the voluntary agreement does focus the in river things we see that could be improved. those are things that improve

productivity and the modeling by districts shown that should increase productivity. increase on the tuolumne river does not mean the fish will make it we don't have control in the bay delta or the ocean. does not mean we will get more fish back. we can do things in the tuolumne river and that's when we are focussed on. there are other things like the hatchery issue outside of our influence that -- could be using to have improvements. >> we need a holistic approach. broad are than counting fish or trying to make sure we have all the right tools to help us to protect the fish you are sort of meeting the reliability required meet and all that. >> yes. >> thank you. >> sorry. >> could you give me an example

of the genetic management plan? >> that's trying to bring more diversity genetic diversity into a spawning program they have admit hatchery. so you are not pick the same fish from year to year you are increasing the genetic diversity. >> would that have anything to do getting fish from the tuolumne or from certain strolls that would have that genetic 8 to go back? >> it could. . i don't know if that's what happens bringing fish in from other treatments could increase. i could provide this i have to look how they are implementing the plans. and then contributing factors

says one was nonnative invasive plants. block adult migration during dry years. could you flush that out. >> well is a plant if you have a pond you bought it for your koi. it is an invasive plant. it grow in in mats the mats can span the entire river after several years they have not upon been flushed out by high flows. they're grow. the plants die and new grow and create this deep mat of vegetation that creates block ajs or premesis courage fish from coming through. they are 19move some out did snot sd not always do that. thank you very much is a problem

on the river and the san joaquin river down stream. >> thank you. >> are there hatch easier out in the world that are dealing with this am. >> yea. >> columbia river is another example of where they had hatchery issues. that are similar. >> they have solutions they have tested and it works? >> same problems some of the same we face. scale of central valley is significant. it it is a universal problem well is a conversation hatchery that are is tightly managed they

have small production for coho salmon but they are hard to scale up they take the genetic management and raise it to a high level and breed in natural fish to keep know genetics diverse >> in europe? kwloo i don't know what is happen nothing europe inform the east clove is atlanta salmon there have been attempts but it is a universal problem in terms of diluting the genetics. in terms of and hatch easier are a double edged sword you produce a lot of fish but in order to do

that they will be homogenized. you take 2 fish use their eggs and you produce all the young from them and that's not diverse. >> thank you. >> yes, go ahead. had a quick question is there a mitigation program until accomplice for the plant that seems like it is blooming all over the rivers? obvious that is manage we can do immediately. to happen help the saul movenl california boating and water ways addresses issues with boats trying to get through the rivers. that is i problem in the stockton shipping channel they have been active well and the san joaquin electronaries in the past. efforts involve manual removal they drag them up on the combarj

take it away. involves spraying to kilt pleasants they usual low do both. i know california boating way system involved in changing the way they operate. bringing on contractor to increase capacity. so i know upon irrigation directs are working on this issue. i could give you moror that i am not close to that issue. >> thank you. can we have public comment, please. members who wish to make 2 minutes of comment on 7c. press star 3 to speak. do we have member present top provide comment on 7c.

do we have callers with hands raised? there are 5 callers in the queue. your sloin open have you 2 minutes. >> commissioners, when we have a presentation given from one entity we need to invite the federal agencies. let us so what they have to say. gentlemen did not mention once about the. temperature of the river. y'all have heard it before in the workshops. none of y'all could ask the question about the temperatures in the river. and the algae.

and the pesticides. and the. sfpuc swaying sacramento. are we going to have way of addressing the solution? or are we [inaudible]. all the goobly gook about the [inaudible] give the federal agencies i will contact sdmem call the federal agencies and let's see. what the hell is happening. sfpuc should do it on the progressive side. as the commission y'all have to lead the way. good leaders know the way, go and show the way. y'all is not, commissioners. thank you very much.

>> thank you. next caller you have 2 minutes. >> hello, thank you i'm frederick [inaudible] i'm customer of the hetch hetchy water. this [inaudible] in the last 6 years shows the count guess down, down. the tuolumne fall run goes on 1952 and does not show before the 1919 to 23 building of the [inaudible] dam creating the hemp hempef river. historical salmon count higher than highest shown in that graph. the data 3 years before and to fill 2 years after the 21 year period next period was this

cycle of peek and valys had an average of 11.5,000 salmon. in the. [inaudible] conthereat had an average of 2.2,000 salmon. that's 80% decline from the initial 21 years. latest number of [inaudible] is the 99% reduction from the historical value for 40,000 salmon compared to 30,000 in 98% reduction. the salmon have [inaudible] the. [inaudible] because of the high percentage of [inaudible] salmon in the tuolumne we fear it is not take in acount 90% reduction tuolumne fish dominate. . does not make sense to destroy

the salmon habitat and excuse to not offer [inaudible] salmon. voluntary compromise is responsible and does not [inaudible] flows. >> thank you. your time is expired. . next caller, have you 2 minutes. >> thank you. bari nelson with golden state salmon. thank you for agendizing this item i hope you do ittanual and he consider doing one addressings the [inaudible] the existence of the [inaudible]. the slide you have been discussing the slide search about population on the tuolumne in relationship with flow. i want to point out that as staff admits, until recently

there is a strong connection with flows and salmon populations on the tuolumne river. in the in natural world you seldom see a clear correlation very consistent with plants and consistent with our community presentation in science workshop a year ago. the view on fish model. i point out there is no similar relationship for harshary production soing a similar relationship with impacts on salmon. hatchery production bunkham [inaudible]. what that flow population has will connection does not clear butt problem is not that we raised fishing hatcheries we are killing the wild salmon eggs and juveniles.

and that is clear and i urge to you review science. ive sent you a slide yesterday that shoes the tuolumne river has the worse record of any river in the sierra nevada because the tuolumne has the worse flows. really disturbing pattern. stead decline. . next, your time is expires. next caller? you have 2 minutes >> peter tuolumne of river trust p. prosecute a big problem with slide 6s salmon numbers. the slide use 2 data source.

surveys until 2008 and the tuolumne after. these are different counts. i looked compared them since 2009 the tuolumne counts higher than the surveyed. embarrass at the end on the right should be 2-1/2 times lower than they are. whether this was intentionally misleading or a big error. this slide needs to be corrected. i sent you a letter yesterday. can i don't know if you have read it. but the salmon have spoken. i refer become to a comment commissioner moran made bh weave had a proposal that the puc could voluntarily contribute the fills for 2 scombreers if we hit a dry year, revert become to the

current base loads and you would make it through the design drought. well is will interest on the commission and commissioner moran said i would like sto to see the salmon approximate speak. you have a restoration, chshg is good. the salmon have spokenism sent you that yesterday. in the tuolumne not the bay delta. in a wet year 265 thousand juveniles with more talitity and a dry year of upon 51,000 few are juveniles and 98% survival. i read mr. decosta hear from federal. >> thank you for your comments. your time is expired.

next caller. >> i'm dave warner. thank you upon commissioners and staff for the report and for plan to provide regular updates. thank you for the thoughtful questions and discussion. in my opinion the approximate purpose of the. periodic report is commissioners have current evidence of the state of the tuolumne ecology. how it it is begin that the environmental steward ishmael is important part of the mission and appreciate you taking time on this. as you discussed the data is bad. it is hope that was actions will be taken i deally in a time frame when you are still serving the commission. a comment all trends 16-22 are poofrm and 21 was exceptional poor. you seeept this from the shart showing salmon escapement. going to the 2016 line is not

our goal. commissioners 2 callers have joined the queue. you have 2 minutes. hi, commissioners. john mcmahon gold know gate salmon association. excellent presentation. i would love to see a follow and up agree with the point that getting different points of view in would be helpful. the point that refer temperatures were not mentioned is crucial. salmon eggs need 53.4 degrees or they die and the tuolumne is

warmer than. . to commissioner ajami's question in the year 2,000. good question watch i'd like to point to the fact that delta exports increased by 16%. starting in 2,000. between the year 2 upon dmnd 200 sick. 3 all time high water records were set. set update collapse in 08 and 9 this suspect go 2 much water taken out of the delta. love to seat commission use its influence to address this. the current v. a. proposal does not. we need more flow in the river and more flow would devolve more out flow through the delta. you saw the chart 1985 you had

40,000 adult salmon return the river in good position but poor flow conditions, that was a 30 second warning. >> i'm sorry. anyway, the other point i like to make the business about hatch air fishery a problem that is not your problem it is a plumbing problem. >> they don't stray. of now i'm cut off. >> your time has expired. thank you for your comments. your sloin open you have 2 minutes. >> hello this is cindy charles i live in san francisco.

and i'm a mfbt tuolumne river trust. i have fished for tuolumne for steel head and trout. i have not dhan in a long time because of the fishery degraded and of course it pains me. i want tochlt hair when i was fishing well in early 2,000. i did catch salmonful i noticed that on the reporting of the juveniles of salmon on the lower tuolumne there are numbers and not much on the condition of the juveniles. when i was fishing in 2000. the salmon juveniles were will large. they looked like 5 and 6 inch

trout that mean i were in robust conscience. panging in the river longer. to enhance development before they head out to the organization. when you are looking at the juvenile salmon you don't pount the numbers you look at their positions because they are factors that -- contributing to their better condition and size so they can make it out and avoid the predators and have the wherewithal to get out to the delta. i wanted to share that. i adopt to thank you for putting the item on the agenda. the fish need more attention and i'm looking forward to future reports. thank you very much. >> thank you.

there are no more callers in the queue. >> thank you, public comment on 7c is closed. >> any other comments or questions. i -- mr. -- i d. pass fosh got to ask temperature in my list of questions for and you forgot to mention it. want are good good to have theed have the inld indicators reflecting climate change and the likearctivities like pesticides or other toxins might be an important factor. these are important to the history data it is like important.

i had written i was a little -- the difference with caring us data and [inaudible] data. dast at from most of the cents roll valley. doing it for a long time. and this is a mark recapture experiment where they go out and find fish that have spawned. take their heads off and become to the lab and find the tages they are not guilty fish and category what the escapement was to the individual. the tuolumne data came on in

2008 is direct observes a small space and cam ramp well is an observer sometimes every fish gets a picture taken and counted. i consider that and many others would consider that a better source of dast it a direct observation not a statistical observation. >> that data came on finely 2008. that's why we switched. >> yea. >> thank you. >> and they are doing the caringus surveys. peter mention the the other dastast it is around typically as peter mentioned they are lower than the counts. >> i guess to your point if we

had data since 19 poot number of saul machine we seen would have been more significant. the point is they are 2 data points collected differently. one can be more accurate than the other meaning they are not the same so. there are errors in one versus the other? >> 2 ways to mfsht same. one is statistical and other is a direct observation. >> stacy go ahead. >> i wanted make comment, may be you can give us information but strikes me that not only we need the best science on all of the factors that affect the health and the numbers of fish and also

seems there are so many players who have very big influenceos what is happening. whether the health of the bay, oceans, how the fish easier are handled and managed and conduct the. how we collect the science i assume almost is a collaborative effort with the state and federal agencies as well as all of the other central valley river system. of course, we need to be if important part of that and want to be the best stewards we can be. it seems that there are so many factors and players with the health of the fish populations i'm interested to hear a bit about what collaboration is going on out there. why we are working west state on

the voluntary agreements. there are processes going o. numerous and have gone on in the pass. some failed or petered out. others have provided information into the world of fish easier management in the central valley picked up and used. often time its is very doyle get central valel effort that can globalally address the issues. because there are many players involved. upon even upon fishery agencies don't afternoon agree on things. dalta or ways to manage fish.

bring together the interests, state and central valley contractors and all the agencies and tribes, there are a lot of players. you know other comments? is this helpful?

>> i would add one the single learningest program is the ecological program focused on delta conscience driven by the state and federal agencies and the state water contractors and the central valley project contractors. they have been workoth delta upon since. 1970 clantively i put that in quoteses. great to find the smoke gun and sometimes people think they found temperature nutrients from the sacramento wastewater treatment plant. i'm in the sure what changed. they eliminated that problem.

they keep on going and keep trying different ways and -- that is the best we can do now. keep trying. >> thank you. i think >> 7 d. i wanted to a bit our last commission meeting occurred right after what was a seminal event for our agency. i failed to talk about temperature i know many of you were there the opening on october 22nd of the new southeast community center on evans. you probably read about temperature it was an absolutely beautiful facility and i think we can take provide in the opportunity it'll provide for

the broad are community and programming. and really helping the southeast sectors and the rest of the ecstasy the whole city. in terms of youth programming and opportunities. and you already for those of that you were there, right when we open that you saw we got a first market located in bayview across the street. it is having positive affects. one thing should really appreciate was the volunteer effort we had from the agency. a great deal of work done by folks in the agency but i wanted everybody to understand that it was an agency commit we had volunteer efforts not involved in manage the program. they were there on a saturday and signify the the agency

commitment and excitement about the center and -- we are happy it is there and the landscaping is beautiful. great space. sxoep airy. hopefully signifies the on going commitment to be a good partner. we are excite body t. i wanted make sure i brought that you want. thank you. >> that was great. >> really exciting. i saw that facility as it was being b. excite to see it finish exclude in operations people can use it. it is fantastic. >> can you of call the next item

>> public comment on this item. member who is wish to make remote commentom 7d press star 3 to speak. do we have anyone present to provide comment on 7d? do we have callers with hands raised. >> there are no callers. >> public comment is closed. >> next is item 8. new commission business. >> colleagues any -- new business. >> move to next item. >> next is consent. item 9. any comments questions about the items in the consent calendar. if seeing none. public comment.

if you wish to make 2 minutes of comment on item 9 the consent calendar, is there anyone present to provide comment on item 9? >> there are 2 callers. i opened your line you have 2 minutes. >> coalition for san francisco neighborhoods. regarding item 9b and 9d. i'm not requesting they be severed from consent that being said i'm requesting staff justify yet 2 contracts are inconsistent with the city's policy. will be once every 5 years and

involve all work needed. designed to min niez the needed and min niez the impacts on the neighborhoods. thank you. your line is open you have 2 minutes. >> daved pillpel. i have comments on 9b and d. do not need them severed. on item 9b i read the materials carefully. i got more from the environmental documents than from the staff report on the condition assessment. i think it is upon important for the box in the staff report. on background to have information on the back grounds

of assets to be replaced or rehabd and it does not say. constructed in the 20's does not say there was assess am and night to bes replaced or anything about that. more verbiage is needed and no discussion coordination with other projects in the area. across the street -- or of the great highway closure and the traffic impact on 46th avenue and other locations near by. i think that is missing. i i don't have a problem but that is 9bes 9d i upon found a typo in the seconded where as clause. let me go to that.

on the resolution where as on august 82011. august 8, 2022. the staff report indicates. thanks for listening. item 9 is closed. >> a comment on the 2 i wonder if doing these replacement fist we use that opportunity to digitize the location, the know the maps you are pulling how to do this. we need an opportunity to build up on our digital director real of assets. this might be one opportunity to do that. just a thought.

any comments? can i have a motion and second on this. >> so moved. >> and -- does it need to be for item from [inaudible]. resolution is 11 rather than upon 2022. we can do. 9d and resolution. okay. we have a motion and second to have a roll call for the consent. >> thank you. president ajami. >> what is the amendment you are talking about the >> commissioner paulson can you speak in the comment >> a date on the resolution. came from public comment. thank you. >> president ajami

>> aye >> vice president maxwell. >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> you have 5 aye's. >> item passes. thank you. can we have the next item. >> item 10 discussion and possible access amend 17 to thursday general management install am grant state rolling fund loan for the san francisco west side recycled water project i am the grants and lone manager surveying on business services team. the item is a request to

authorize the general manager to scout an amendment to the state revolveingly fund loan low any financing to the water project. this amendment would increase the upon glooent everand grant value from noot not exceed 186 million to 191 admissible and extend the financing agreement for additionaling 28 months this is one of 9 state revolving fund or srf financialsing agreements that the puc executed with the state resource control board since 2014. low interest rate loans provides a cost saving alternative to revenue borne bonds financing. the original resolution to execute the funding agreement was approved in 2017. the project budget and duration increased and those changes to

the project have been approved by the commission. this amendment would. improve the a line am with the loan agreement with the state and the schedule and budget of the project. happy to take questions you might have on that. >> colleagues comments or questions? thank you. approximate can we have public comment, please. >> member who is wish to make remote comment on item 10 press star 3 to speak. anyone present for item 10. >> there are 2 callers in the queue. you have 2 minutes to comment on item 10. >> great. dave you'd pillpel i appreciate staff for saving money.

this is a complicated financing thing. distribute that financial. as to ceqa appreciate the reference to the eir. i think this is action today ceqa under 15378 and not project approval to my way of thinking on page 7 off packet and 1, 2, 3. 4. page 3 of the resolution. would does not require any change in the wording at the ends of the last where as clause i say now therefore about it and tends and start i new paragraph

in all capps and clear there is and the clause in here somewhere. sections 1-6. which i'm sure or carefully drafted meet the state requirements for the isa and grant amendment. that's my thought on item 10. >> thank you. your line is open. you have 2 minutes. >> eileen coalition for san francisco neighborhoods. received amounts of funds being from the state from the west side recycle prvenlth on loan and grant. approximate pac sued the state and 10 the 2 actions seen at best at [inaudible] thank you.

>> there are no more callers in the knew. >> motion and second, please? >> thank you. can we have take a roll call. >> president ajami >> aye >> maxwell >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner rivera. >> aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> you have 5 aye's. >> item passes. of next item. >> 11 authorize the general manager to request approval of a supplemental appropriation ordinance for fit calgary year 22/23 clean power sf foodservice

energy efficiency programful by the california puc from clean power sf rate payir purpose program funds the total program budget is 4, 517, 056 over 3 years. >> good afternoon i'm andrew analyst with clean power sf customer solution team. last year the commission approved the application to the puc for funding of new community foodservice energy fortunate program. california commission approved the design special asked funding. california commission action we seek approval this requires supplementation by the board of

supervisors. if approved tell allow us to spends that and begin implementing the program. clean power sf budget increased by 4, 573, 056 dollars. funsdz limited to the energy efficiency program and no funding for program is amounted. the source of the funds is the public purpose program. california commission directors utilities to collect the fundses from electric and gas customers. the california commission decides how to spends the funds. our community food service program is the first time clean power awarded funding and we are excited have that money and spends it. >> we are requesting to you

authorize the general manager to request the mayor recommend the approval of this appropriation. i'm happy to answer questions you may have. >> thank you. any comments or questions? >> that's exciting. congratulations. wonderful to see this sxhoen help us use less energy. can we have public comment. >> members of the comment who wish to comment on item 11 press star 3 to speak. do we have anyone present to comment on item 11. >> do we have callers with hands raised >> there are no callers. >> public comment on item 11 is closed. >> callers there are no questions or comments can i have a motion and second. >> so moved. >> excellent. can we have a roll call.

>> commissioner paulson aye >> rivera. aye. >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> item passes. >> madam secretary call the next item; award a contractor in the amount of 11, 500,000 with 30-days to v. i. p. power line co operation. of >> good afternoon. president ajami and xhfrns. deputy city manager for puc power. we are here to request for you to award the contract pw009r. electric installation and

construction support contract v. i. p. existing enter sxriez provide electric to hetch hetchy customers throughout the territory. services that need to be provide includes new customer connections to the new transmission and distribution project we are building. to the existing electrical distribution network to support the substation work we need to condition with san francisco airport as well as the new [inaudible] and also to connect the new customers to the system. the contract is approximately 11 million 5 huh thousand dollars for 2 years. and there is an lbe commitment of 6.05%. and it is the assess am of 12 million dollars for 2 years. so the -- rfp sent out on

december 23 of 21. no bids received after 4 weeks. it was readvertised again in february of 22 and no bids were received. on march 22 ndz. 22. this commission authorized the general manager to negotiate a contract with a contractor. allowed in san francisco code and negotiations with several qualified firms. v. i. p. corporation submitted a proposal that accepted the city standards terms and conditions. the price is below the estimate. and they are qualified to do the work. i ask for your support on this item 12, and i'm happy to answer

questions you may have. skwoo thank you. commissioner paulson. >> deputy manager i had questions. and feface by saying my years on the commission i have been pleased with no matter what the enterprise. this one i understand the difficulties you put the bid out twice and nobody came in. that ebbs and flows base on the economy and the job and the needs there. in this one you know despite that piece it is very skilled and important w in the city. i have a couple questions about this company. which i never heard of until i saw it today. do they have a track record of doing this work with a staff

that prouven they have been able to use previously. >> yes, they do. we interviewed them intensive low. and look at qualifications and check the reference as well they are qualified. >> i asked a specific question do they have a staff that is skilled and traind and through promise that has been part of that track reference that you went through. why we have staff -- >> am people that will do the work if needed with the team. >> we don't the challenge we have is we don't have sufficient staff to do this work. gi understand that i'm asking about v. i. p. and their ability to dot work and subelement the work that we are contracting out to make sure we are covered. >> i'm sorry i have a hard time hearing you. >> i understand that of internal low there are not enough staff

to feel do what you are anticipate in this bid you are conout but i mite my question was about v. i. p. if they have a track record of having skilled and trained that have done this work before or if they are going to wing it. am >> deeper in who this organization is and what they are bringing to the table. why they have track record they have qualified staff as far as hiring the specific staff they have not done that they are waiting for the contract to be approved. >> they don't have like a staff to do this skilled aparensises. >> not currently. not in this area. they are members of ibew1245 am they have access to 1245 members. 1245.

utility. >> correct. >> union. >> okay. >> i think you answered my questions. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> public comment on the item >> thank you very much. off this item y. member when is wish to comment on item 12 press star 3 to speak. do we have anyone present to provide upon commentom item 12? >> do we have callers with hands raised. >> tr is one caller in the queue. your line is open you have 2 minutes. >> david pillpel again inch don't want to get in the way of getting the work done. supportive. but i had a couple questions similar to commissioner paulson. does this item which appears to be a staff augmentation does

this need approval from civil service commission or prop j approval from the board of supervisors? this men a new approach or new precedent. i heard the response about the staff of this contractor being represented by local 1245. but 1245 represents private sector and pg sxeshgs electrical workers. and iv w local 6 represents public sector including puc line workers and other electrical workers. has there been out reach with local 6 about this contract or this approach to augmenting staffing given the current labor

environment. it is different and raising questions. a baptist discussion. thank you for your comments. there are no more callers in the queue. >> public comment is closed. >> is there clarification? on this item? i thought -- private sector. >> you have a question i will answer you, commissioner. >> this sell a proof sector >> they need to have a different kind of >> we reached out to local 6 and they are supportive of this effort. we want to make sure that folks were in the loop and reached out to local 6 they are aware and

they support it. >> okay. no more questions or comments have a motion and second? so moved. >> second. >> could you take the call yoochl president ajami. >> aye >> maxwell. >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner riverasm >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> item passes. thank you. police read the next item. >> next is public comment on the matters to be discussed during closed session. member who is wish to comment on item 15 in closed session conference with council regarding litigation oaks versus san francisco. san francisco superior court

cgc-20-585373. settle am of litigation by michael oaks against san francisco. with the city to may michael oaks 95 thousand for full and final release. do we have members present to provide comment on this item? do we have callers with hands raised. >> there is one caller in the queue. this is item for closed session. >> have you 2 minutes. >> can you hear me now. >> loud and clear. >> david pillpel. today's item description for this closed session matter does not summarize the nature of the claim or litigation i thought the based on the last closed session of september we were including a line this does indicate that the proposed

settlement for 95,000 in exchange for full and final release but not a line that has complaint or flooding claim or whatever the matter was. i thought we were doing that on agendas going forward if i thinked get like a 1 sentence on what the subject matter is that happened be great and going forward. include that in the agenda item description, that would be great. no issue with the settle am. not my concern. just sum row description of the nature of the claim of litigation. thanks for listeningch more fun next time. appreciate it. >> thank you. there are no more callers. >> public comment on item closed session is closed. >> can i have air motion to

start the attorney client privilege. why move to acert. >> second. >> president ajami. >> aye >> vice president maxwell. >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye >> commissioner stacy >> aye. >> commissioner rivera. >> aye. >> we are okay. um -- colleagues we are back from the closed session and want to announce that commission recommended the board of supervisors approve the settle am under closed session item 15. i would like to have a motion and second on not to disclose to

disclose not to disclose. >> yes. >> second. >> thank you, can we have a roll call yoochl president ajami >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye. >> commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> the item passes. could you read the next item. >> that concludes your business for today. meeting is adjourned. thank you. thank you.

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[music] >> hi. thanks for coming today. really appreciate you coming out. this idea of a round table actually i have been wanting to do for many years especially it talk with fellow veterans. i'm excited for today. we get into it. if you guyings could introduce yourself to the group. and how you came to which finds that recruiter or you know how to finds that dotted line and put up your hand for the oath. alex. >> i'm alex, u.s. army, i joined the military because i came from

a heritage my family in the military it was just normal for me to. i enjoy it serving in the military. that was a reason why to keep it in the family >> how long du serve. >> 11 years. >> nice. you are in now. >> still active duty. >> great. >> thank you. how about you, tanner. >> i'm tanner, i was at the marines and i did 5 years 2013-2717. i always knew i uponed to be in the military. like alec we have family members navy, army and all the above. i figured i would go in this one. and yea i did 5 years. and it was amazing. iel >> you were take being pictures

or video? for when i was there triple circumstance forefronting i marine corp tv serious. we were doing like documentary work, right. so -- we would cover like the first female infant real marines covered on the east and first female assault [inaudible] as well. where they work on the big man escaping my. the triple aman b. covered the training they did, being able it deadweight lift, 168 pounds out of the av. everything that we did.

[laughter]. so. it was incredible y. when i was in the navy my last 2 years in, i was electronic technician i worked on radar and gps stuff. and you know they called me twijet, tweak and adjust it. i actually [laughter] was interested in film make thanksgiving was in 99 in 2000. my last deployment i wanted to make videos. and so i started my friend and i the other guys, mo japanese and chinese guy started a show on the ship. mtv, tom green. and going making people answer stupid questions. and like, um. ... something like that. and that's how i learned

everything and within our own ship and love and you make a montage of the ship's prescription and like that. it is how i started other than being a kid and filming stuff that's how i became a film maker. opposite of when my job was. [laughter]. that is awesome. keep the ship's entertainment with young -- >> we would do like mtv cribs style. on the ship. and so people would be this is where i sleep on the missile and stuff like that. and the air dents the guy who is flew the helos found a smoke machine and smoked it out and come out of it. [laughter] stuff like that. [laughter]. tax dollars. [laughter].

awesome. cool. jimmie how about yourself. i'm jim and he how i got enters old union square soldiers and joes ping. this is neat. and i gay man this is cool. next year i'm at the national guard unit signing up and taking my oath. when i got to the fortmy first night i said what have i gotten myself in. i joined because i love my country and i will serve and survived i'm proud of being a vet republican serving my counsel row. how long du serve. >> national guard 83-89. quarter master and i took a leave in 83 due to illness. >> chris how about yourself. >> my father was in the korean war, had a bronze star and purple heart. my uncle in vietnam.

he was aef missile maintenance worked on the hawk missiles. and so, i decided to follow the tradition and i went in the u.s. army. from 1982 to 2002. spent 20 years. and my time was over in bosnia. that was an eye opener for mow. i seen children wound in the combat from the mines and all that stuff placed is there. it is it affected me. in a way of what are we dog in this world. and but i enjoyed serving my counsel row like my father and uncle and -- and -- it was a good tour. >> nice.

>> myself, i think i have a different story. i actually just did not get long with my dad at all. you know all through high school he was kicking me out and staying with friends and stuff like this. i had this mentor from like the boys and girl's club in china town in san francisco. he was in the navy and got out. and for some reason, i thought that was my only out to get oust house or whatever. you know not really well off as a family. did not have the opportunity to go to a 4 year school. and did not understand school, either. the grants and what not. when i heard like college fund g. i. bill and this stuff. that is interesting. and obviously i think my friend he was like, if you want to be

safe don't go marine or army and if you want adventure take navy. you seat world. i went in served from 97-03. stationed uss [inaudible] the destroyer and did my time we did 3 and one south pack got to see a lot of the world. on the ship a lot. and -- so -- just much different life than all my friends had. i wanted to ask how was like that first moment few days of boot camp. for me, i admit i was by the time i got in bed may be 72 hours later i get off the bus i started crying. and like saying what the hell did i do here? even getting off the bus and

everyone was shouting out numbers. real iegz everybody telling social security number and i was trying to mem rise mine on the bus. getting used to that atmosphere of yelled at a lot. how was this first few moments of boot camp am >> so traveling from san francisco is where i signed up to san diego, i done think about it we went occupy and stabilized and down and straight in the unfortunately the group i was we were late for the drill destructors we got yelling off the bat. the first couple of moments. after that first week you know it basement new normal. it was great. >> and remoinldz me when did

you join. 2013. >> okay. i want to gauge era was 97 they were able to touch you and, yea. >> and stuff like that. and [laughter] i heard 2013 did they toucher or yell. they were in the supposed to touch you. a little crazy. but you know it was all nothing was done maliciously it was done for actual training. >> how about yourself >> boot camp for me -- it was too difficult but had hard times but i within down [inaudible] i enjoy today. i learned, lot about myself as a

person going down there. but it was a good time. >> nice. chris? >> well when i went in it was they were allowed to work you over for pushups and sit ups and all this stuff sxf dropping you and -- i was my dad went through it i was like, i know i can do this. i rarely b dw pushups when i left i was doing 40 pushups. >> they were allowed reach out and touch you but in the time frame they were adjusting to getting away from that. and they did in the do it in a way to be malicious.

they did it as a training thing. and i enjoyed it. i liked it. >> yea. >> it it is like a -- if everyone is suffering together it created a bond. you know. the command. there was a thing called ricky lane. ricky short for recruit and upon then stoims when we get in trouble everyone have to pull out their bunks out to the side and we valid to exercise until the ceiling drips from condensation. you hear or see coming in yelling ricky rain! ricky rain! everyone is no. running trying to get water in them they know they will sweat it out and stuff like that. that was something i remember.

>> how about you jimmie. >> i rhode to oklahoma in 83. we get in the camp and the gentlemen gets on the bas likes like lou from officer and gentlemen. says y'all got 30 seconds to get on my bus. i'm sitting there. everyone jumped up. what are you waiting for. i thought. no that was my big mistake. i thought. >> i said it was scary. the first night. what in the hell have i done? i'm a gay man in the united states. they could not mess with you perform i said god give me my strength you will make it and it was a unique experience i was 32 when i went in called me grand pa. and thanks to discipline of the old school they grab you by the shirt. this one was good there. and it was unique experience.

at 32 i learned how to grow up to survive. and reach out to your comrades to help each other that was the best responsiblesful knowing i'm serving my country when i go hope i still will by helping my fellow veterans. >> what were highlights or challenges you faced during. >> challenge was i was 32 years old most were 18. i'm thinking how will i make it. the first time we did a drill you gate the knapsack and 500 pounds of stuff you don't need and marching and said, mac. you owled hound you are doing it see that man up there. he said if i thought they would kick my tail he will not i will keep up. and it was young pep that encouraged me and i was able to encourage them saying that you

guys are young and i'm older we need to work together. to me that was the idea of joining the service is making good friends and knowing you are look out for your country to have our freedom and go accomplices and do things. and -- when i put my uniform on i was a proud soldier. i had to take leave. u neefk experience i dolled it gwen if i had the chance to. >> one of the obvious challenge for me was coming from san francisco as chinese-american and in the bubble. and going serving in the military and being exposed to everything new. my ship of 400 i was the only chinese guy there were 12-15 asian people in general. trying new things. seeing and trying new things.

pig in a blanket the random normal things, meat loaf i never tried it until i was in the service. it was a hard adjustment at first. but i think as i got to the ship upon then you know you start creating the core friendships with people. whether in the trenches with you know your you know realistic like i think -- somehow it got past the point of like whether you are black or white or brown or yellow and stuff like that. we are part of the same team and fighting for our country. it felt strong especially like a few moments where our ship was one of the first notoriety uss

cole when they got bombed and when 911 happened. that was my 4 yearn verse row in the navy on that day, 911. it was like this everything changed at the moment but the same time everyone left and always got each other's back. felt like we can do anything. how about you alex? most challenging thing i had in the service was being in the navy air bourn. [inaudible]. and for people who would not know what that means or what is this? so. the 82nd air bourn can deploy around the world in 18 hours or less. so with this type of you know background requires training and things like that. you know. a lot of operations and involved and just take a toll on the body

but it is rewarding. which is cool. >> yea. that was the hardest in my career. >> wow >> that is awesome. >> chris? >> my first [inaudible] which a it was 16 weeks. went to school for electronics. and from there you how to fix missiles. and bradleys [inaudible] came out later. from there i went to 101st airbourn and assault they had similar mission as 82nd they had to deploy within 18 hours. and we had just forces that were -- part of 101st. our group was stationed there.

and it was eye opener. they have an incident in africa that jumped up and sent one of our teeps out in the africa with the infantry. and went out on this mission. >> dang, that's crazy. crazy how there is so much. other than seeing the movies how much like stuff we don't know upon what happened. you know behind the scenes and like -- and -- obviously we are here. and we are here living our life and enjoying a cup of coffee on there is like so much crazy stuff going on. you know. it is amazing. tanner. >> the most challenging things

that challenged mow in the mentally in the marines my last unit i was stationed combat service support schools. and we had i very small combat team. as a video. there are 3 of us. and out of the 3 we had we over the course of a little over a year and change, we covered every school in the marine, army and anywhere the marines would train we would travel and do all that. and i think i put in like 14 or 1500 hours after work to get everything done for editting. you know always driving and moving. like that last year i did not have a life. but you know we got it done.

[laughter] and -- yea. i money i loved the fieldoms. i don't know how you live on the navy ships. [laughter]. like ape mont and i was like never again. please. get me off this ship. but yea. i think working with the triple s was the hardest thing we had to do. everybody with the normal job you get off and you are done with us behind the scenes is always editting and working. yea. it instilled really good what it is called? discipline. [laughter]. yea. >> key word. >> yea. >> i think even just some people

are like discipline wise, some are surprised like to me like when i show up early to things. and not like on time but early. like today you showed up early they are like. of course. he is a veteran. for some reason most people it is like you know being late is okay or on time is okay but in our mind set being on time is not okay. have you to be early to everything. so you can see that. jimmie can i ask if you as a gay man, did you have challenges being in the military? i know like that whole era of when don't ask don't tell was happening. >> i say when i went in there, it was tough. but i said i made my choice. nobody else. i said if i become out it would be the biggest embarrassment my grant father was navy and

brother was vietnam vet republican. i can't do that. i will dot best i can. one thing helped break the ice. will somebody finds out. back then they could beat your ass or the commander will walk up and say you are out we don't want your kind. one experience we did camouflage. we had a drill sergeant. your best friends and times you wanted run the other way when they locked at you. and this one said, we am do camouflage i had the perfect person who will help us out i said, oh , shit, he said mr. san francisco, i said hum. you have something to sigh. no, sir i don't want to go to the brig. i said no , i can't out of respect to let you know because people come from san francisco

okay -- when i within to another i did schooling a guy come over and said you know we need to have a talk. i said did i do something. be open with me. okay. yes , sir. cool. that's all i want to know. i thought but i feel the tension i want you to know i admired and respect you. when you put your uniform on you took pride and being a gay man. that is amazing. i said it is sad this people judge because of what you do behind closed doors they judge when you do in public that's when they did they judged mow in public doing good. and when i was in my national guard unit i took pride the minute i put this uniform on. the commander recognize today and appreciated when they needed somebodieen though i was quarter master they need me the kitchen

i was there. and share this last store. i was on weekend maneuvers in san francisco during fleet week the commander said i need you. using stainless steel trace. i'm getting red it scoop potato a blue angel flew under the golden gate bridge. that was unique experience and i got sick with hiv and commander said if anything in my powers to change things i would. excuse me i get emotional you were one of the best quarter masters this unit had. you respected soldiers before than i grab things. you taught them respect and dignity. that was part of the training i got from the military. respect. respect all your fellow americans. that's why i'm proud to be a

veteran. >> amazing >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i got a story. there is in 85 when beirut was bombed. they called 101st out. we lost in the infantry unit when the plane went down when the alert came up, we were all jumping around and getting gear and stuff ready. and they looked and like, where is tex. tex was the soldiers that was with us. worked [inaudible]. [inaudible]. and like where is tex? and opened up and found tex in the [inaudible] and -- [laughter].

hello. come on. the locker that is i good one >> [laughter]. >> so i asked everyone if you could bring something to share with the group and share why it has significance to you. what is special and share a store beit and stuff. how about we start with alex? can you share with us when you brought today. >> so i receive third degree coin [inaudible] my commander because i was playing an important role in the operation we did. in 2019-2020. wow. got this for if will a great role there. >> how does this make you foal. >> i felt great because it was not expected. and you know it made mow feel i

was a part of the 82nd at that time. it felt great to receive this coin. >> cool. >> wow >> amazing. >> can you describe what is on there. >> it is basically it is our panters this is the panther logo here. you got [inaudible] 2p... and the operations we have been on. >> that is neat. amation perform awe some. thank you. tanner? how about yourself? >> i have my camera. cool. the reason why i like have this and it is always reminds me of my service. when i joined for cam bat camera they never gave me the photo video roll. if the military if they finds out you are good at something

they don't teach you the rest of it. [laughter]. i was actually i work in the the first year in change a print master. i would take all the other photographer's photos and print them up and almost nay and that other stuff. i critiqued the hell out of them. until they sent mow in the field with my own camera i bought a sony. and had to prove myself. i always shot sewn still do. and i'm really proud i had the prove myself and you know out did the other trained marines. awesome. >> jimmie? >> okay the one i forgot to bring was one of our late members arch wilson he served during world war ii. and gave me his sergeant in

arm's pin. it was the ribbon and the sergeant of arms and the one part fell off i gota glue it back. and something else october fourth we feel had an event in this build nothing this wool invited 200 visiting people for fleet week and meet them and did a group picture and the end, commanders came up to me and saidom behalf of the uss vincent we like to present this to you. and if you like to see that. the heard vicinity evervennes 8 the uss. it was know honor i will carry this to the day i go it men a lot. some stay is just i coin. men to you a coin but to veteran its is special and it is meant to give honor.

and i get -- when you look back you say i remember when this happen third degree day and got to meet wonderful veterans. >> chris. um -- i got a lot of coins when i was in this one i got from commissioner wilyom barnacle veteran affair's commissioner for san francisco. >> wow. i was having a hard time with homelessness and trying to survive in san francisco on 1200 a month. that was my military retirement. sword to plow shares got me in a place and i went up from there and guardualy built back up and got my benefits and i was suffering from both upon mental

and physical disabilities. and commissioner barnacle when he gave this to me, its got his commissioner on it and his nameful integrity first and service and excellence in all we do. that -- i tick that to heart. this means a lot to me. so. he is airforce veteran. and what i liked most is this veterans coming together whatever branch they are in coming together and doing good things for the community and doing things for other veterans. it means a lot. so. that's what this means i carry it with me every where i go. >> thank you for sharing that. >> great, wow. i brought a picture.

of my family. and this was from 2001 fleet week we came to san francisco. the first time they ever came on my ship my mom, dad, brother and his wife and my grand pa. and it had ash lots of significance to me because -- you know they honest low did not know anything about what i was doing had no clue other than movies. right. and you know having this really bad relationship with my dad it kind of put something new in him that saw me on the ship working with the people like being responsible for millions of dollars of equip. right. and you know this was literally the first time he said he was proud of mow this time he visited. we were not a family that says

like, i love you or what a good job thing, you know. the first time he said that to me. it meant a lot. and it is like this moment of weird. this moment of like not being accepted by my family but being like almost accepted as if like i was a true american feeling. because like growing up it is like balancing 2 cultures you know. and so but having them like a small family of chinese people walking through a ship with the others and everyone is wondering, what is going on. but then all the sudden they also felt proud to be an american, too much being in this country as well their son was serving for the country and stuff like that. it was like a really, really great moment just having them

see what i do and -- yea. and you know. forever that just this memory is just will be with me forever. joy like to comment on this photograph. it moves me. i'm an emotional people it moved me. i never met this gentlemen. shared the story how dad said, i accept you. you are a veteran and serving. that is moving, today e approximately in the gay community there are fells that you are gay, get out of here. i'm thankful my family accepted me and i relate this where his father get out. but when you put this uniform on it opened his eyes. i just thank you for sharing that. i wish every family could be like that. that is my goal. if you are a veteran your family should accept you. thank you for share thanksgiving with us this means a lot >> the tough part of adjusting that to and it is wored for mow to say civilian life i feel like

a civilian but i'm not and i am but get back to civilian life we are used to this structured life. you know having food cooked for us and having the medical bay ready for us. and knowing when we will do from literally 8 a.m. to sick p.m. every day and stuff. so,mented hear that it -- if it was how was this transition back to civilian life? >> when i came back home it was interesting because -- they had not passed the don't ask don't tell. i was living in the castro 4 our 407, 17th street. il live my life. if that is how you knoll is your problem. i served prud low.

one thing i noticed i went it golden gate park helecopter came. i doe to the trees. got out of basic training. got it. it was neat. i was still very gung-ho. what is wrong with him. he came out of the military. how du survive. you learn to keep your mouth shut and go with thefully. now we say what we want. i think one thing that bothered me a bit was you go to a store or something and say, do you give discount for veterans. it is amazing the number of people are appalled why shoe get special treatment. excuse me? we served our country we are

entitled. people say, glad to have you here. others look at you like, i say, you know it it is sad. i served my country you can do things like that, that's okay. that's okay well are men good people that appreciate us veterans. once i realized i'm here and people will accept me or not and i said, you accept me that's cool. again until i got sick and i had to take early leave i put my uniform on every among. went to san mateo unit served and came home and live aid normal life. as normal as could be. [laughter]. chris? 20 years in and retiring -- i'm still wing on getting back.

because -- you get in that military mind set. you look at like i go back to my mentor. and i have flash backs of seeing the kids in the situation they were in and it affected me. a lot and so it is taken akwhiel. i have ptsd and depression because of physical injuries. would i do it again? i would. because it is for my country. >> amen to that. >> yea >> and to get in more like for me, the doctor said i had ptsd

it was adjustment disorder. it was like going to a new environment, new setting and trying to hard to figure out how to do that. for you like -- was it something you seeked out help for or something. >> absolutely. absolutely. i it was not until i got to san francisco, because -- well, let me go over the story. after i retire friday the service i moved up to virginia and hired as a senior logistic's engineer because of my electronic background. and worked on turrets as well. so when i was there, i was around military people and the marines and colonel talked to me and asked me, brad low have a

manual site. i said, yea. how committee did not put one on [inaudible]. near the marines. i was like because an over look today and messed up. that was in the my exact words but. he appreciated that because i was honest with him. and they went become at this time drawing boarded and took care of that problem. they were trying to get marine updated equipment. i will felt like -- i did feel before seeking help and -- it was not -- i don't know a weird thing like i know a lot of my friends had suffered a lot of mental health problems and hearing what they were going through. i felt bad for them. i never thought that -- whatever

i was going through was as series as what they were. i never thought i should get help. and so i think once the doctor gave me a diagnose it was more accepting and found help and got help. before this i was trying to avoid it. or at least not name it. i don't know. >> to go on top of this. it is a military thing inspect general where they teach you to not seek help. if you are seen at the medical office you are weak. >> yea. >> unfortunately that's the modo but at the same time, sloulth you should reach out. it will not make you weaker. >> i didn't get much treatment

until 7 years after i was out. a diagnosed me with migraines and it was but -- later down the road i knew i needed help for the other things going on with flash backs and different things like that. once i got to san francisco i got this help. san francisco has the best va out there. and they to being me to and i had a personality disorder. i was not used to hearing that. i went to the different programs they got for mental health and it helped me to come out of the shell and become in society and

stuff like that. and appreciate being around my fellow veterans and not worrying about this is coming back in my mind and stuff. and it is helped me grow and move forward and move on. with my life. and helping other vet residence get through it, knowing veterans coming out of the service. not prepared because they were not briefed ahead of time. when you are in face at this time out tempo is like really strong. we work 18 hour days. 7 days a week and you are programmed. into that. coming out it takes awho i to decompress. decompress and get become to normal life with your fellow

people in the country. >> yea. fellow citizens >> i'm glad you got that help, years ago my company wanted to send me to a psychiatrist because of homo sexuality. i'm glad you receive third degree help and there are people oust there this need help. we'll talk about this we need to start reaching out to the people approximate. sometimes people were afraid to ask. don't be afraid to reach out. anything we can do as a fellow veteran. get medical help. talk with somebody that will help you. i'm glad you were able to get this treatment you deserve it as a vet wan ran and personful i'm glad you are doing better. >> thank you. jowl are welcome. >> great to hear. >> alex i know upon it is

different for you you are in serving now but. i still struggle. [inaudible] the [inaudible] what i have been through or is going through. will you know tough to slope and stuff like this. and always red ready to go even if we don't have to do anything it is always there in the mind. it could be difficult you know, transitioning back to civilian life. can you can be in the service still [inaudible]ful i can only imagine transitioning to full time civilian. is it an active is it is more talked about now. as far as take careful mental healing >> especially from everybody's time in the service it changed a

lot. but i will say, you know, it is broefed to you but you have to you know push yourself as well, to get the treatment as well. i will say sometimes, those things are then out to a soldier or service member. it is briefed to get help if you need it. [inaudible]. >> yea. >> it helps with other veterans you know to see that. and they reach out. i don't know if everybody knows, congress is mandated through law that we reach out to all veterans and make sure that they get a chance to if they need benefits they get them. and -- so it is roaching out to

veterans and trying to there is one veteran that would not and he slept in the train station in powell street. he wanted nothing to do with society. and they tried everything they could to get him to come in but -- >> yea. just it was sad. and i don't want to leave a veteran behind. because they did in the leave me in combat. they did not leave me when i was going throughout training next to them of everybody was hey, let's pick him up and bring him along. and -- that's the biggest thing about vet republicans and the bond we got is because it is a team player. and -- you help one another get

through what you are going through. >> yea. i had i friends that he was sharing to me it was tough because you know he was doing these group therapy sessions with other veterans. it felt not weird but there is impostor syndrome. you feel you don't belanguage there. like hoe is probably in this group with other vet republicans that lost a limb or severe and he is more depressed but feel like he belonged being injured or having something wrong with him. and like so sometimes, when other veterans can talk to each other and rbi violet each other and share their story whether how good, bad or worse it is you are going through that. everyone is going through their

own journal and he it is very different. but we all deserves to get help and because what we sack filesd and done for our count rope and stuff. it it is hopefully they can offer the service but it is for us to go in there and get the service. but we have to try to share that you know whether it is how easy or accept today is or not like something this makes you weak or something this is like you know, a bother some for others. because you might feel like i can do it on my own i don't want to bother my mom or dad to take me. we want to try to make sure everyone is okay. you know. >> yea. >> i got my e mill from merge legion headquarters and love they reminds you, dot calling tree. that is where if you have not seen you in i couple weeksil

call and you -- don't be afraid i'm sorry i need to be by myself. that's fineful let them know. sometimes i seen people are like they feel nobody calls you. why should i live? we all ishmael live and be able to have somebody we say i will call and you weville coffee. talk about when you need to talk about to get it off your chest. sometimes we are like a few minutes to talk to somebody. that can be a life changing experience knowing that somebody took time to care for me. that is important. we need to have every vet republican to call the v. a. and not put on hold for 5 months. you need help you should go in today and immediately get treatment. and there is no reason why we can't do this. i wish there was a way i could go to congress and kick tail and tell them. look you need to get your act

together the people served their counsel row. they came home. my brother came home as a heroin addict from vietnam if you were not buzzed by 9 in the morning you did not survive. they needed the help and should not be denied the help. never if there was a way to make that bill effective immediately no veteran would be turned away for anything. >> i will show that you bill. it is in there what we need to do is let people than it it is in there. >> i done know this. you tuesday today. i'm learning. them is important. get together and talk you pleasure you share and that's how you roach out to help others. i thank you for this. >> yep >> absolutely. >> very important. >> your approximation you know i have been watchingior passion with when you were speaking to 200 veterans navy