>> good morning. welcome to november 18, 2022 regular meeting of the san francisco ethics commission. minutes reflect this is a hybrid meeting being held pursuant to 44 supplement to mayoral proclamation declaring existence of local emergency dated february 25, 2020 and being held of the conditions of the proclamation. today's meeting is live cable cast and live on line

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sent to ethics.commission@sfgov .org. thank you chair. >> thank you moderator. i call the meeting to order. please call item number 1, which is roll call, please. >> commissioners please indicate your presence by saying aye after your name is called. [roll call] >> four members present and accounted you have a quorum. >> thank you. commissioner, those participating remotely and commissioner romano is excused from this meeting. now, let's call agenda item number 2, which is public comment on matters not appearing on the agenda. moderator, can you see if there is any

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welcome caller, your 3 minutes begins now. >> commissioners, my name is francisco decosta. we san franciscans fath very hard to establish the sunshine task force and ethics commission, and we also fought hard for the controllers office. in recent years the sunshine task force and the ethics commission has let us down. you may make excuses you are under-staffed or the issues that you all were dealing with are too convoluted, but

wherever leads the sunshine task force or ethics commission because they go hand in hand, they failed us. right before the ballot measures we got all sorts of very very complicated issues. we got a supervisor trying to muddy the waters, and we the people had to suffer . during the pandemic and even now too many people have the time nor the patience to listen to the long drawn ethic commission meetings (inaudible) again and again. i am

requesting you commissioners if we do not do the right thing quickly we will lose it. we will lose our standards a we lost it on the national level. we will lose it in san francisco. in fact, we are losing it-recently the fbi had to non profit and in the newspaper and every time it is in it newspaper i get many calls. i can't say too much. people trust me because they know they can call me and i can say something about the issue, but we are all working very hard to maintain standards but we are losing it. thank you very much. >> thank you.

>> please stand by. checking to see if there are callers in the queue. madam chair, no further callers in the queue. >> public comment is closed for item 2. i now call for consent calendar. noted in the agenda it will be no separate des discussion unless request is made by commissioner member or member of the public in attendance. (inaudible) should be removed from consent calendar and considered as a separate item. if any commissioner has to discuss the item that item will be taken up following action on the consent calendar items on the regular calendar for discussion and action. any commissioners want to discuss any items? okay. commissioner bush.

>> no, thank you. >> thank you. thank you. since no one wish to take any items out-i want to make one correction. under item 4 for the proposed calendar, the proposed time starting time should be 10 a.m. not 9:30. it is a typo. mr. moderator, can you check to see if there is public comment? >> thank you madam chair. we are checking to see if there are callers in the queue who wish to discuss any consent calendar item. if there are callers-please stand by. we have one

caller in the queue. please stand by. thank you caller. your 3 minutes begins now. >> i do not want to speak on this issue. >> okay. >> thank you. >> if you can hit star 3 to lower your hand. madam chair, no further callers in the queue. >> thank you, public comment is closed. commissioners do i have a motion to adopt the consent calendar items 3 resolution continuation of remote hybrid commission meetings. item 4, ethic commission regular meeting schedule for calendar year 2023, 5, director of enforcement report highlighting enforcement division operations. 6 executive director report highlighting various departmental programs and operations. item 7, ethics commission annual report draft

for the fiscal year ending june 30, 2022. i see a motion? >> i move to adopt the item on consent calendar and think just for clarty, item 5 isn't a action item. that is just information. i move to adopt consent calendar including the items that have individual action items apatched tch apatched to them. >> second. >> motion and second. roll call, please. [roll call] >> four votes the motion approved unanimously. >> thank you commissioners. i now call item number 8. which is discussion and possible action on

executive director recruitment process. just want to open with a brief report to my fellow commissioners. after our discussion at the october meeting, it was agreed that we would form a cert committee. chaired by me with vice chair bush. also with alternate members who would be participating at future committee activities. the committee will be noticed-public noticeable and it would involve working with the city and any other activities to get the word out, which would include looking for executive

search firm, conducting listening sessions with stakeholders and community members, help recruitment, help spread the word to bring it back to the commission. the commission as a whole will decide on the next process of reviewing candidates, selecting finalist and interviewing candidates and selecting the ultimate candidate. i also want to report after our meeting i had a meeting with deputy director howard from dhr to follow up on the commission recommendation to start the executive search firm. her team

had told me that they will be publishing the notice and we were to have some type of update today, however that line was pushed to november 28 instead of today so we need to wait until the 28 to see if there's any search firm who submitted the bid, but i understand the rfq was sent out so we are hoping that there will be some search firms interested in working with us on this important task. vice chair bush and i also

separately began to test our listening session starting out with the staff because as we all know, a successful and great leader surrounds herself with very talented and committed staff members, so we have met with the commission staff is and i want to thank the members of the team for their frankness, for their commitment, for the honesty and from the very well thought out recommendations sharing their perspectives and insight in how we can all work together to

move the commission forward and build upon the strong foundation that the director pelham has built upon. with that, there is really not much else we can share unless vice chair bush you want to have anything to add before--other commissioners want to share their perspective? commissioner bush, doia have anything to say? >> yes, i do. i like to say that the senior staff that i met with was very forthcoming and had good ideas how to advance the agenda of the commission, and those proposals were very specific and

provided a route for us to use with their cooperation. so, i'm grateful to them for having given their time and their brains to this effort. i think that one of the things that was apparent to me is that we need people to tell us what the commission is not doing now. it not enough to just tell us where we can improve, but we need to know what do they see that is not being done. for example, we don't spend a lot of time at the ethics commission on issues involving the

complaints of-i'm trying to think of the words. the complaints involving ignoring the public when it comes to public comment, which sometimes does happen. i wanted to know do they think this is problem? a series of things like that. i'll try to memorialize them in a e-mail to my fellow commissioners. thank you. >> thank you vice chair bush. before i ask my fellow commissioners to add i want to write down the current schedule and process. we have more information from last

month meeting, because we operating in a very very tight schedule. the executive director is due to leave us on january 23, so we have less then 3 months to hire the next ed and we are doing everything we can. now that we look at the cut-off for the search firm, on november 28 i am assuming we can select that firm--the successful bid on that day. it was strongly recommended by the (inaudible) that the search firm would have everything ready to go to roll out, which would include what the

commission would want them to get the work done, spread the word, put out the notices, all the necessary paperwork and everything else. the two things that we want from this commission on the search firm to do that they-that is why they are basing on that submitted proposal would be we want this to be a national search. it will be a very extensive search, which would be very inclusive. that would reflect the population of the city that this commission serve. the second thing is, we want to make sure that the community engagement component is very expensive, so

those are the two additional requirement to the typical san francisco rfq process in looking for executive search firm. now that we know the earliest date that we have on the search firm will be the 28, which is in a week and a half, it would be-we would need to decide how this commission as a body can select a firm right away instead of waiting for the december meeting which is about 2 weeks from there. there are a couple options. we can delegate the search committee to make the selection if they are (inaudible) and highly qualified, or we can wait until

december 9 meeting or call a special meeting just to select the firm on the 28. just to cut down on the time so that they can really hit the ground on the day on the 28. that is number one option we have. the second option as i said is leave it to the committee. that is publicly noticed to select a firm so that we would have that out of the way instead of waiting until the december full commission meeting. the other aspects of getting the firm is, the firm would need from us--i should rephrase that. we would want the firm to have from us number

one, organizations and groups we want them to outreach to, because the ethics commission is a very unique body and it is not just a executive firm. we are not just looking for executive director, we are looking for a lot of-basically looking for (inaudible) so, we would want to have a list of organizations that we personally know professional groups and other organizations and professional groups that we want them to help spread the word. reach out for potential candidates. so, that is number one. the second thing is, there are job descriptions that the city uses that we would want to shape

that job description to what we want in addition to the typical executive qualifications that we want to see in the executive director. we would want to provide to the executive firm the kind of ed, the characters, the qualifications and the experience that we want them to have, so those are the information that we can provide it to the executive firm right when they are selected then they will know how they can proceed. one more thing is, we would also want to provide to them a list of community stakeholder groups that we want them to reach out to

facilitate these listening sessions for us. those are the three things that it would be good if we can have them all ready by the time they are selected so we would not need to miss any precious time. so, those are the updates that i have and love to hear my colleagues recommendations and insights. >> i think that the job description we already is a great starting point. there are a few things we recommend that i was thinking about. i don't know if this is the appropriate space to bring them up but there is a section also about what the vision for the commission is or i think that is on the third page and so i think that is something we need to think deeply about where we are going so that then we can properly present the job description and

what we expect the executive director help with moving forward, so i think it is something we can do concurrently but i do think we need to think where we are going as we pick up a executive director. >> madam chair. may i? thaupg thank you for the work you and commissioner bush are doing on this. i appreciate the associations with the staff and folks and public. i had a couple questions about the timeline. is your idea that firms provide proposals on november 28 and that the subcommittee will pick one on the same day? my thought is dhr review the proposals, hopefully recommend who they think is best and that will probably take more then the same day the proposals come in, so that's one question i have for you. >> my understanding from dhr is they would not recommend any firm. they would just

provide us with any bidders who meet the qualifications. it is not likely that we would have a lot of firms to choose from, so it is still up to us to select-if there is only one firm if they meet the guidelines then it makes it much easier. should there be more then one, then it would be up to us to decide. my recommendation is since this is just a firm, they are basically doing the administrative work for us, so it is not-for me i would not want us to have to wait until december to get this firm going, and if the committee can just look at the firm and say okay, you know, we are going to be working with dhr to get them started right on the 28 or maybe a day later so we don't

miss the couple of weeks. my concern is we wait till december just to select a firm that is doing administrative work for us, they are not doing anything that we would not be overseeing anyway, so my recommendation is let's just get the firm selected and they will definitely be at the december meeting that we could ask other questions but at least they would have two week headstart to get things going, to get the public the notices out and everything else because we are hitting holiday season and january is coming up really fast. >> right. i appreciate the urgency. i think we all want to do this quickly. i don't think we will hire a new ed before director pelham retires or departs unfortunately. if there is more then one search firm that responds i'm not sure it makes sense to

target you picking one the same day they come in. i think there should be more time to reevaluate responses. maybe staff can weigh in. you also mention the subcommittee and said publicly noticed. do you mean the subcommittee notice a meeting where it discuss the search committee and pick one? >> my understanding of the committee is we have to notice everything that the committee does. let's say if there are more then one firm we would need to notice it and two of us would be discussing the proposals and from there hope fully we'll select one. but if the commission as a whole decides to wait until the december meeting, we can discuss that too. everything that the

committee does as a committee is noticeable. >> i'm not suggesting we wait to december, just trying to understand the process. is your idea the subcommittee would notice a meeting for november 28 and pick someone that same day? >> on the 29. we will be checking with dhr to see how solid the 28 was, because 18 was supposed to be the date. so, if they think that they will be able to get us the bids on the 28, then we will have a schedule meeting because the schedule meeting can also be canceled. i dont want us to wait till the 28 and schedule the meeting and misscouple days and everything. again, the search firm

searched as our-i call it-they are doing the leg work only. >> right . that makes a lot of sense and cant imagine i have strong feelings about which search firm. >> i have no idea who they are. >> it sounds at the subcommittee meeting if inclined i can call and say i like this firm or don't like that firm, is that right? >> deputy city attorney. >> yes, if you attend the meeting is is a meeting of the commission because there is a quorum present and need to be noticed as a meeting of full commission. that could be done. it is not- >> i see. my thinking is i can't imagine i feel strongly about which firm but sounds if we commit to it this way then commissioner (inaudible) are basically not able to weigh in on it which

strikes me-something i'm thinking about and maybe i need to process how much that matters to me. another thought that ypt to put out is you mention the search firm would i think organized listening sessions. i think we need listening sessions. not sure that is something a search firm would do because i think a (inaudible) what the job descriptions look like and who we want to hire. i think a search firm spreads that description. maybe dhr can tell us. i don't see the search firm would be organizing listening tours. maybe they would but that strikes me as something that the commission does, not the search firm. i don't know if anyone here can speak to that. >> maybe i can clarify. when i say to assist us with these listening tours, listening sessions because under the city

ed or whatever search firm, there is always a community engagement component. so it is up to the commission, the department, that decide how extensive that community engagement is. our recommendation based on last commission meeting is we need to really engage with our stakeholders. and let's just say that there are 10 groups that we want to meet with between now and the selection of the finalists to the search. it would not be fair to ask the staff to help us organize these meetings, and if the search firm is paid, it is supposed to carry out community engagement component. my sense is-they will help organize, which

means they can organize the meeting sites or technical things, again just administrative work. we are attending whether as a commission with alternate always two people to meet with these groups whether they are non profits, city family, whatever it and that's why we need to give them the list because they will know. when i say community engagement they are not going to listen, we are listening. they are organizing the meeting to make sure they are noticeable. they meet all the notice requirements. basically acting as our staff instead of us asking staff to do all these additional work, they will be doing the work. we are doing the listening. just making sure that people get the time,

get the place, (inaudible) that is it. they are not-we are in charge of hearing from the community dialogue with our stakeholders, selecting the candidates and recruitment, because i am reminded over and over again, director pelham did not (inaudible) she came from friends and supporters ofectics commission who knew we have a excellent person who could really guide you and when she came the rest is history. i don't think the executive firm will be doing the type of executive search that we traditionally think about, because this is a very unique commission and we are

dealing with a very unique universe of potential candidates. >> okay. i assume what you laid out will be part of the job request for proposal submitted. so we will see when the firms respond to the extent that is something they can do so think that makes a lot of sense. what i would be able to-one more question. would i be able to see proposals as they come in? is that public? >> yeah. in fact, i think don't they-the committee can share with the commissioners once we receive--i don't know who these firms are, and i don't know how the city operates in terms of executive firms and i think we all dealt

with firms and everything else, so definitely you can look at the proposals. i think the only thing that dhr is make sure they meet the city minimum requirements. >> right. i understand. i have my own personal requirements. that all makes sense to me and given that i'm fine with the subcommittee publicly noticing and meeting for whatever date you think makes sense to select a firm. speaking for me personally. i want to thank you and commissioner bush for all the work you are doing on this. >>eme also in favor of that. just want to make that comment. i differ to you and commissioner bush. i was done, just wanted to piggy back off that so we can close the

item see you know i'm not opposed and thank you for you and commissioner bush for your efforts to this point which we know were time consuming i'm sure. >> i want to remind the reason we have a alternate member is there may be issues that you really really want to work on and please let us know. let me know, because one of us can get off and one of you can step in to share your areas of expertise in that particular area. again, this is team efforts. we just are want to make sure that we are doing everything right, but it at the same time moving on the very accelerated schedule. >> great. there are two things i think the whole commission should be involved in and that's receiving reviewing all the initial resumes once we selected a firm, once we get applications, so i

guess doing the order backward. the job description the search firm sends out, i think we should be involved in one way or the other. understand the search firms got preliminary description in order for them to create their proposals to us. that makes sense. but whatever we give them we should all weigh in on. and then once we start getting applications from candidates hopefully there are so many resumes we have to triage. i don't envision a world where only the subcommittee look to resumes. i would like to look at every resume that comes in so that is something i want to put out. chair you mentioned the concept of the subcommittee kind of (inaudible) sharing the finalist with the rest of the commission. that's not how i would like it to proceed. i think we should look at all the resumes. unless it ends up there are so many it isn't realistic but i don't think we'll get

that many-so many resumes it is impossible to look at them all or have the opportunity to look at them all. that's it. >> i like to hear the other commissioners thought, because again, any time when involves 3 members of any activities, it is a public meeting. the public meeting means that we would be in the room looking at tons of resumes. >> madam chair-- >> if i can finish. my recommendation is usually because we just went through this-i just went through it with another executive search. the firms job is not to say this is a good person you need to look at this

person, the firm job at the level 1 is to make sure of the hopefully hundreds of resumes the folks will actually do not meet the qualification don't need to get to our desk. for instance, if we are looking for someone who has minimum of 1 year of experience of working and this person has never worked a day in his life, that resume is not going to make it. if someone doesn't have the whatever the minimum qualification that we set because our minimum qualification is very low. we don't want to exclude anybody. now, if you want to sit through and review all these resumes and you know, there are people who sent in 20 pages of how wonderful they

are without working a day in their life. if the desire of the commission to have all us look at the preliminary applications we can talk about that, but my strong recommendation is the way the search firms and the way i envision their job is to screen out those who are absolutely not qualified. they are folks who use opportunity to talk about how wonderful they are. if you want to read that, fine, but maybe we can do it in the committee level that you can (inaudible) but, the second level is the one that all of us need to be engaged. that is the level that the search firm had put together from round 1, they weed out the absolutely not qualified applications. the

second batch could be 10, it could be a hundred. the second batch are the ones who meet the qualifications, they make no judgment, they meet the qualifications that we set forth. now, that level would be up from there on is all involvement. that is when we look at all these things and we have to schedule special meetings because when we did that with the police department, we set out like many many hours to look over that batch from that batch, the commission will decide if there are finalists we want to personally meet from reading the resumes we want to personally meet them virtual because we do a national search, or in

person. in the proposal for the executive firm it was included that there need to be budget set aside for a national candidate or candidates. so, my inclination is, there are 3 or 4 levels. first level weed out round 1. round 2, round 3 and then round 4, the final interview. my recommendation is let us all as a commission get engaged as a full body from round 2 on. if you want to get involved with round 1, my recommendation is let's continue to do that as a committee matter and then you can use my spot to do that. >> thank you. that's

not what i'm suggesting. my understanding is we dont need a committee meet ing to review resumes. from the last meeting my understanding is that we can all be mailed every resume individually and look at them at home as long as we want. am i right, that isn't a issue? >> deputy city attorney, yes, you could receive the resumes as long as you can don't communicate among yourselves among the content and wait for a meet toog do so that would be fine. >> that is all i meant madam chair. i was envisioning-a situation where the subcommittee would weed the qualified candidates and only the commission as a whole only look at what the subcommittee considered the finalists. >> no. no. no. >> so, i think all the commissioners should be given every single resume and they can ignore if they want and look if they want, not in a meeting but just to have and then we have i guess a close committee meeting to discuss who we like and i think

you and i may be saying same thing. i there is no reason not to provide every commissioner every resume. >> the only reason why i suggested the committee to be involved from round 1 on is to make sure that only the completely unqualified will be weeded out. that's it. again, from round 2 on everything involves the commission. the committee does not decide who makes to the final list. the entire commission decides who make it to the finalist and we as a whole decide how many people should be in that semi-final list. i want to make it completely clear. the only thing that

the commission as a whole does not get involved with in my opinion is the round 1 when they have to weed out all kinds of applications. but, even at that level my recommendation is the committee would work with the search firm to make sure completely sure that they do not weed out anyone who should not be weed out. just my accident. i want to make it really really clear. the committee does not select a final list. the commission selects reviews the applications and are selects the slate of finalists to interview and the commission will vote to hire the executive director as a whole. >> that all makes sense. but i still think all the

commissioners can be provided all the resumes. ignore if they want but no reason not to provide it to them. >> how does that deal with the privacy issue? >> the commissioners are all entitled to see the applications. they would be considered of course-you have to hold them in confidence. you're going to guarantee the applicant confidence-maintain documents in a secure location but you can all see them. that is no problem. >> one last point. you mentioned providing the search firms with list of organizations that reach out-that is wonderful. i think that makes a lot of sense and i think i don't think we need commission action for that. i assume commissioners can just provide that to the search firm i would think. maybe i'm being glib about that but don't see why that requires commission action. i am looking

at deputy city attorney. >> was the question if after reviewing resumes you can provide the search firm comments? >> before that. i think madam chair was envisioning the commission of the subcommittee would give the search firms guidance as certain organizations to reach out to advertise the vacancy. i think it is a great idea. i don't think that needs to be a commission activity. i think we can give the search firm you should reach out to (inaudible) the government ethics group. >> i just meant that it would be easier if we can all collect our from a rolidex different groups we want them to search. instead of coming from 5 of us separately, it should just come from us--(inaudible)

if we can streamline to make the work easier for everybody involved. that's all i meant. instead of-all of us have no groups and organizations but let's streamline it so that the committee working on behalf of the commission in directing on the administrative side of the search firm work to make sure that they have the list of organizations that we want them to specifically target. they have the group of folks we want them to specifically organize and facilitate community listening sessions on. that's it. that's- >> okay. that sounds great. >> commissioner bush, you have any other comments? anything to add? >> can you hear me?

>> yes. >> i'm sorry, i'm sort of (inaudible) the computer. i just want to underscore the fact our ethics executive and commission have responsibilities that don't exist in other city departments. for example, we are required when we receive a complaint to refer to the district attorney and the city attorney and that they intern are to return any finding they make or action they have chosen to make or not make and let us know what's going on. that's the relationship between our agency and two other agencies that unique to my knowledge compared to other city departments. the same

thing goes when it comes to freedom of expression and so that is a third area. in addition to all of those, we are the only agency that can take things directly to the voters and put it on the ballot. anyone else would have to go through a variety of steps for that to happen. when we look at people who might serve as executive director, it would be good to know if they have any experience in drafting laws or in proposing measures to go before the voters. so, those are not exactly caveats, but

(inaudible) of the job that would not normally be seen by dhr as they are drafting a requirement. when we hired (inaudible) i was involved as a member of the community and there were a number of very good candidates in addition to leeann, including one of the people who helped draft the creation of the ethics commission, including a acting director of the ethics commission and of course leeann herself. >> commissioner bush, we need to respect people's privacy so if you have any comments, make sure that it isn't

-it doesn't imply on any particular individual. >> thank you. that's a good thing to keep in mind. the one i was thinking of about sadly died. the fact is, we are likely to get inquiries from people who have very strong credentials but perhaps not in areas that we are expecting. i would not limit ourselves in what we can consider as we see these and i would vote we would also keep in mind the unique role of the ethics commission as we move forward this process. thank you. >> thank you. any other comments?

>> have a question. given what commissioner bush just said about us being very specific and really curating this description and our requests, by which would we like to have a revised job description? i know you will notice the meet frg ing the 29 where you proceed-you and commissioner bush will proceed in selecting a agency but do we want to have the job description prepared by that day? >> it would be great if each of us if interested to put together a job description that you would like to see in this person and why that it is separated into different categories. requirement that you want in this person.

the preferred or suggested qualification so it doesn't weed out anybody. as one of us said, if michelle obama applies for this job she may not meet the other legal requirements, but she definitely would be a great candidate that we dopt don't want to miss out so those are things we can put into three buckets. the one that is absolutely the essential qualification that we require in this person, the integrity, certain level of professional experience, but i would say because we as commissioner bush said, we are very unique commission and that universe is very

very small. i i think the previous commission was very very lucky to find and ultimately recommend and then the commission appointed the director, but it is best for us to cast a wider net. if anyone who meets the kind of person that we want in the ed not in the quantitative measure, but the essence of who we want as a director. that's why it would be great if the job description would be-i mean the job description would be in 2 or 3 buckets. what we must have, and what we want prefer to have. i would think

that you know, background in ethics would be a preferred not a requirement. >> if you want that by the 29? >> deputy city attorney, can we have all these recommendations from the fellow commissioners and then put that together in a job description without a public notice discussion? can we do that? >> it would more transparent if you had a meeting where you took input from the public and the commissioners and provided that guidance on what the job profile would be. i don't know-i got the impression from commissioner finlev he was interested in having the commission take action to approve the final job description, so i

don't think there is a problem with you all submitting your proposals to one commissioner and have that commissioner try to integrate into one document for approval at a meeting if that's what you are proposing to do. >> so we would need to have a special meeting on the 29 to approve the job description? so we can share it with the executive search firm so they could publish it? >> if the commission wishes to take action as a body to approve the final job announcement you have to have a meeting to do that. i would just-this isn't legal advice but going to tell you from my experience with these search firms, they are likely going to come to the meeting in december and have a lot of question s for you all they need direction, you can provide the job announcement then, give the direction they need. it is unlikely they will be

able to turn something around in a week basically, but that is my experience having worked on a-with the library commission on the librarian recruitment. it was a process. you are going to have to push them if you want them to move quickly basically. >> if everything falls in place can we ask them to start putting together the organizations we want them to outreach to without the job description? but maybe with one paragraph. looking for dynamic leader who can meet competing challenges? something really simple to let them know we are looking for a very high caliber executive and when they come to december commission meeting we would have the job description discuss and approved then they can take

that and then publish it the second time. >> i don't see a problem with that. once you have the firm selected if the commissioners want to send the firm the organizations they wish to be noticed of the position there is no problem with that. >> may i add one quick point? i understood from the last meeting we were not opposed to using the last job description at least as a starting point and i don't know if for drafting purposes and given the timeline if it would be productive or more efficient maybe to start there and then maybe remove or revise things. update things that need to be updated instead of starting new. i think we could work off that document even in the buckets that you recommended chair lee where i think a lot of the essentials are already there and i imagine that the previous commission went through the same process for you and presenting the job description so it is

something the public has seen. i think that maybe if we work off that job description and then contribute other essentials or other desires that might also help us move things along quickly. >> i think there is specific language they have to use too for the job description. i think for us the only contribution from this commission will be the specifics, because for that job description it wasn't very specific and 6 years passed and we know what a visionary leader can do, so we can really build on the specifics and that's why the different buckets to add on to what they have and of course they can update it to be more relevant would be great. if we can

come back on december 9 to have those recommendations that we want to see-not recommendations, the qualifications we want to add to the job description so that we can share it with the search firm at the december meeting. meanwhile we should have a general-i think the committee can do that. we dont need the commission to approve. we can just say we are looking for you know, dynamic leader. do we need approval of the commission to- >> no. assuming the commission is okay with the subcommittee taking action i don't think there is a problem with that. >> madam chair to make that happen can staff work with madam chair to present to the commission a job description for the december regular meeting we can actually vote on it and move forward? >> we already have one from the director. she already sent it to us couple months ago

when she announced her resignation. we are going to be working together- >> i mean incorporating the changes that you would like that the commissioners want to put on the existing job description. i want to make sure at the next commission meeting we are prepared to vote on a job description to close that item. >> if anyone have any suggestions please let me know. >> that makes sense. >> i understood we needed to make recommend aigdss on the record but happy to snd them individually if i have any. thank you. >> chair lee. >> yes vice chair. >> i want to recommend that we also reach out to former ethics commissioners since they have working knowledge of the work of the commission as well as past senior staff, because there

are a number of senior staff who have been excellent but who moved on to other fields of endeavor and who might want to consider coming back to take the helm of the ethics commission. when we are talking about outreach, i am not thinking only in groups, but also a targeted outreach based on former ethic commissioners and former ethics staff. thank you. >> there is nothing to preclude any of us to reaching out to anybody to spread the word to encourage people to take a look at this position. i do want to caution us. if you know of any

good candidates specific potential applicants, i think we need to be very very careful to make this a very transparent and fair process so no one would feel that they have a certain advantage or disadvantage because they know anyone on the commission so i do think that if you know of anyone who is interested, let them apply through the process. if they have any questions go through the executive search firm. that is what they are there for. just want to be mindful of that. >> chair lee. on that note, i had a question about whether anybody would need to be recused. not sure if this is something we discussed. it seems counter intuitive if i recommend my friend do i need to be recused from the vote? >> you would need to disclose the relationship on the record and assuming you have no financial ties to this person

you could vote assuming you can be fair. >> great. of course. thank you. >> okay. anything else that we should discuss? otherwise let's open up for public comment, please. >> thank you madam chair. we are checking to see if there are callers in the queue who wish to comment on item 8. discussion possible action on executive director recruitment process. please stand by. we have a caller in the queue. please stand by. welcome caller, your 3 minutes begins now. >> the commissioners -fancisco decosta again. what i want to state is our san francisco ethic

commission unique. and this commission has not done its job well when it came to certain things. you all have taken-you all have chosen to listen to (inaudible) you should not have to listen to. you all know who i'm referring to. i don't want to make it very clear. you all have chosen to bring in people from some other areas part of the city to muddy the waters of the commission. we are very fortunate that we have people living who are on the ethics commission who are the original members who established this ethic

commission, and we should reach out to them initially. generally. we have to stop taking orders from the mayor's office . we have-the ethics commission has failed by having former attorney, city attorney become a general manager and yet have the audacity to meet in closed session. you'll all made very poor judgment. very very poor judgments. we the people appointed to have an ethic commission. we the people can go and have

a ballot measure. we the people must fot be left out, but we have been left out because many of you commissioners have not been listening to the people. i'm not talking any people. you can guess who calls in. today i'm the only one. it is a joke. you all have people who are on the fair political practice commission. you know how that works. you have others who are attorneys. this is a 4 or 5 attorney we-(inaudible) when it comes to a attorney. what is going on? >> three minutes expired. madam chair, please stand by as we check for other callers in the queue.

there is no further callers in the queue. >> thank you public comment on item 8 is now closed. item 9 presentation and discussion behested payments and reg ulations. >> thank you commissioners. this item is follow up to last month's discussion on behest payment regulations. the changes to the payment rules the commission proved in august have since been approved by the board of supervisors and signed by the mayor and went into effect earlier this month. part of those changes call on the commission to dopt rules regulations and guidelines to implement the behested payment rules. the item before you has draft regulation in attachment 1 and summarized in attachment 2. the regulation seeks to meet the requirements spelled out in the

code as well as clarify other aspects of the rules particularly those that the commission received questions about from city departments and others of the course of the year since the rules initially went into effect in january. the regulations are agendized for discussion. assuming no issues are identified the plan is to bring them back in december where the commission could potentially act and then they need to go before the bord of supervisors for 60 days before becoming effective assuming the board does not take any action. i'm available to answer any questions or comments about regulations or the process as a whole. thank you. >> comments? >> i like to start by

saying i really appreciate the overviews and just the summaries that have been provided e-mailed this week. i found them to be very helpful. that is one-i have a few questions and just a few comments about language that i think could help streamline these that maybe just need more clarity from you all. for regulations 3.60-4, i just wanted to make a comment about the last line. this is language i may have missed in the past but i think that the word pleased, the payment being made would please the officer, i find that to be very vague. i think we can maybe-i rather say benefit and then remove the last part of that line so it

would end-being made would benefit the officer designated employee. that's because i also find any party at the end very vague. not sure if there are any comments on that. but i will also add just to piggy back off that. we can maybe -when we talk about benefiting an officer or designated employee yfs thinking we can add related parties like families or agents. that is my first comment. >> i think agree on the please language. that could be tightened up. i think the benefit of talking about any party is that behested payment could be for the benefited party so adicated to i like you to make the payment because it benefit the organization that receives the payment. it is worth having a

broad party there. >> got it. okay. i have a few. commissioner finlev i don't know if you want to go back and forth. >> just go ahead. >> okay. for regulation 3.620-8, the exceptions, i wanted to talk about exception b or just the language about bearing the burden of proving. i think that's great. i just think it would be helpful to outline what would be sufficient proof for who has the burden of proving whether e-mail text, documents if it is discussion and need affidavit. i are think that might be helpful because i imagine different city departments have different ways of proving or might not have thought to save the e-mail or outlook deletes things. that

is one comment there. i also actually going backwards to regulation 3.620-7, i was wondering if we should add a timing factor, so that-because i imagine that here with the way it is phrased, it is the value of the payment solicited is not less then a thousand. like at what time? is it-should it be at the time requested or the time the final payment is due because i can imagine somebody doesn't know how much they need. i think it might benefit having a timing factor. something i was thinking about. and then for exception d going back to 3.620-8, i think that 4d, the

second to last sentence says on the page 7 of 18, any payment accepted using the exception cannot confirm personal benefit on any city officials. wanted to add families or delegated agents. for regulation 3.620-10, i had a question that i might need refresher on. but in the illustration and also in the behested payment overview illustration, this is relevant to dylan was an example. i think about how a person is notified if the department head for example is the one that engages in this exchange and everybody in the department

becomes a interested or that interested party becomes a interested party for everybody in that department. how would somebody like dylan who was trying to fundraise for their kids event know that this person was a interested party for them if there wasn't announcement in the office or some sort of list or data base? i know we have saw some having databases and how practical that is, but- >> i don't have the example. for dylan city official trying to solicit the payment. >> i think (inaudible) give me one second. example a, under-do you want me to read it? >> the city official

that is making the solicitation. >> exactly. and he can't ask-he was asking a group. he is designated employee and fundraising for his child's school but can't ask a consultant for contribution at the school fundraiser. >> yeah, so-we are looking into that permit consultant example because we are talking about interested parties involved in administrative proceedings. the idea is that if it is something that will high level item for a officer like department head that that would be the responsibility of the other officers or designated employees to find out if the person they solicit is interested party and that a reason to make them a interested party. i think there is things that department head could notify folks within the department of that communication or if

it was going before a commission meeting, all of the employees have access to those commission documents to be aware of that relationship. >> i think that tricky i think practically as many attorneys on the commission may know, at a firm you get e-mails and everybody gets them so maybe this is something that city departments could do where they can sent out a e-mail interesting party e-mail because i feel bad for dylan. dylan is just trying to fundraise for his kids and reaching out to interested parties unknowingly. thinking how we can do that without getting anybody in trouble. those are a few questions and with that--just one last thing before i hand it off. for regulation 3.620-23 on public appeals, i was wondering if-the last two paragraphs are

what happens if the person who is receiving payment doesn't fit a certain category-i wonder if we can just avoid that by specifying who is supposed to receive the payment? (inaudible) public appeals if a interesting party initiates contact about potentially making the-let me see here exactly-the last sentence says, the level of engagement the officer or designated employee may have before the conduct rises to the level of soliciting behested payment partially depends on the recipient of the payment and says if the recipient of the payment is not the city or city department this happens. if the

city-recipient is the city or city department, this is what happens. i feel like there is gray there, but we can-it is fine to have either or but if we can specify who is supposed to receive it because why would somebody who is not part of the city or city department be receiving payment that was initiated on behalf of the city? >> the public appeals exception covers payments where the recipient is either could be a city or could be (inaudible) >> okay. got it. perfect. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you commissioner. those are all really good points and thrilled to see that level of engagement with the language. the issue about the (inaudible) is a good one. talking about where the entire department becomes a restricted source or interested

party. sorry, getting my--i wonder- i think in the restricted source scheme, someone talked about if appeal is made to public we are not targeting anyone particular it doesn't trigger prohibitions and maybe the different scheme. maybe it is about fundraising or campaign literature. >> that is in regard to behested payment and interested party. the regulation we were just talking about is adding to public appeals exception which is for solicitation of behested payment. if you make a solicitation to a group of more then 20 or people or writing i believe 200 or more or making televised remark that is exempt from solicitation. what the regulation we were talking about are try toog clarify what happens following the public appeal if someone calls and said i heard the mayor give the radio address i want to follow up and

give money now. the last regulation trying to add clarity how much of the conversation can happen subsequent to public appeal before it (inaudible) >> that makes sense. thank you for that. i wonder whether (inaudible) dylan is soliciting a group of folks. if that is more then 25 people or some threshold then it doesn't trigger the bar that might be in place? >> correct. if the situation was dylan is doing fundraising for a child school program if that was made in public to a group of more then 20 people that would fall under the public appeal section. >> that may address part of the commissioner concerns. >> (inaudible) >> i agree the word

benefit is much better then please. imagine lawyers trying to argue what that means down the road in a lawsuit. i don't have specific comments. one thing that is helpful going forward is to extent there were modifications made to get to this point the response to concerns by city partners or other offices we don't need back and forth. it is helpful to know what the changes were to address what concerns because that gives me comfort to know that the point is make it workable for the city to work with partners and do things that benefit the city and i would feel-i think it would help me know we have done that by understanding the concerns addressed. that's it. you did a ton of work and really really grateful for that. >> moderators, please check to see if there is any public comment

on this item. >> thank you madam chair. we are checking to see if there callers in the queue who wish to comment on item 9, presentation and discussion of process to develop behested payment regulations. please stand by. madam chair, we have two callers in the queue. please stand by. welcome caller, your 3 minutes begins now rchlt >> francisco decosta. it is sickening somebody from the mayors office is muddying the ethics commission. much like you accommodated the (inaudible) public utility commission in closed session. this

must stop. if you read the proposition a that language is very clear. response to the ballot measure. (inaudible) we do not need the mayor's office or anybody from the board of supervisors to come muddy things in the ethic commission. if you don't clearly see this, you will not see anything. let me tell you very clearly, you took the fbi after 15 years to zero in on some culprits. and only the fbi can follow the money. not the ethics commission, not the sunshine, not the controllers office, not the city attorney. only the

fbi. this letter has to be (inaudible) by the fbi, because we want to know why this behested thing is connected to the contractors. why? why are the contractors forced to do some outreach and provide public benefits, why? the contractors must (inaudible) vertical or horizontal. why get them involved in the benefits? (inaudible) you allowed a gentleman to speak twice. you won't allow me to speak twice. i'm watching y'all. don't act like a bunch of buffoons. stop muddying the waters of the ethics commission. stay in your own place. you have the legislative branch, we

have executive branch and we used to have the city administrator, it was in (inaudible) that was brought under the executive branch, so we have no checks and balances. and then we have our (inaudible) some of the commissioners who (inaudible) whatever the mayor says. nobody from the mayors office should be at the ethics commission muddying the water. let me make that very very clear. you don't need to be a rocket scientist. you all have a conscious. you all have a conscious. >> 3 minutes expired. please stand by as we go to caller number 2. welcome caller, your 3 minutes begins now. >> good morning commissioners. this is debbie lurman san

francisco human service network. the proposed regulations need some more thought and clarity around their impact on the ability of non profit representatives who sever on city commissions to raise funds for their organizations. san francisco benefits from the expertise of community based non profits who participate in policy development and oversight and many commissions require expertise. for example the homelessness oversight commission that just passed has seats for persons who provide services related to homelessness, work with homeless families or youth and have expertise in mental health or substance abuse service delivery and these same commissioners often have a responsibility to assist in raising funds for their non profits and may even be the executive director who leads the organization fundraising efforts.

the recent amendments to the legislation have been helpful in mitigating some of those concerns, but if the regulations are unnecessarily presciptive they can create a chilling effect on non profit staff desire and ability to serve the city in those capacities. in the regulations specifically there is impacts on the issue from the rules on solicited behested payments and direct solicitations and public appeals. for example, the proposed regulation that bars solicited behested payment under the control of the officer, define control where the payment to the officers has (inaudible) administer the payment, even if the officer plays no role in soliciting the payment or has knowledge of it. the donor might be a prior long time supporter of

the non profit, and so therefore this regulation would create challenges to the non profit raising funds for their work and barriers between staff and potential donors. it should be possible to create an ethical wall between the non profit staff person who serves on a commission and the work of their development staff in raising funds for the organization. just raw firms have to create ethical walls sometimes when one attorney has a conflict of interest. the direct solicitation regulation refers to barring commissioners from directing staff to solicit from a group of parties that maintain interested party. that language is broad and vague. for example, the commissioner could not tell their staff at the non profit to seek donations from tech companies or real estate developers if

just one of those- >> your 3 minutes has expired. >> please stand by as i check to see if there are further callers in the queue. no callers in the queue. >> thank you public comment for item 9 is now closed. item 10 which is proposed closed session item is continued to the december meeting. let's call on item 11, which is discussion and possible action on items for future meetings. suggestions, comments from colleagues? >> no, thank you madam chair. >> vice chair bush?

none. public comment please. >> thank you madam chair. we are checking to see if there are-taking public comment on item 11. please stand by as we check for callers in the queue. madam chair, there are no callers in the queue. >> thank you. public comment is closed. item 11-now item 12. additional opportunities for public comment on matters not appearing on the agenda persurnt to ethic commission bylaw article 7 section 2. moderator,

do we have anyone else on- >> thank you madam chair. please stand by as we check to see if there is caller er in the queue. members online i wish to provide comment on item 12 dial star 3 or raise your hand. if you have not already done so to be added to the public comment line. please stand by. madam chair, there are no callers in the queue. >> thank you. next item 13, which is adjournment. thank you all. thank you to members of the public and have a wonderful weekday. [meeting adjourned]

>> i'm connie chan district one supervisor and welcome to the richmond. >> i'm an immigrant and came to san francisco china town when i was 13 years old with my mom and brother. my first job is at the community organizer for public safety with san francisco state. and land in the city hall and became a legislative aid to

sophie maxwell. went through city departments when kamala harris was our district attorney i'm proud to represent the richmondad district supervisor. [music] we have great neighborhood commercial corridors that need to be protected. the reason why we launched the neighborhood business for supporting the [inaudible] for 15 years special more. we have the legacy business program the business around for 30 years or more and thought, you know, we gotta make sure the next generation contains for

generations to come. am i'm ruth the owner of hamburger haven we came back on july 11. we were opened in 1968 at that time i believe one of the owners of mestart today went through a guy named andy in the early 70s and my father took it mid 70s. >> originally was just a burger joint. open late nights. then it changed over the years and became the breakfast staple. we specialize in breakfast, brunch come lunch now. i love this neighborhood. i grew up here. and it feels like home. i walk down the block and recognize people of people say hello. you say hello you talk and joke. has that familiar environment that is enjoyable and i have not experienced anywhere else. there are many things i would like to see improve ams the

things we might see are making sure that our tenants stay housed our small business in tact and those are the solutions that will contain to push to make sure that you know our communities can take root, stay and thrive. >> i'm proud of you know, welcoming folks to the richmond. everyone loch its we got farmer's market every sunday there. the you see really business at the noaa. ice cream at toy folks and going to chop for book like green apple. and that's when you like the deal is pizza place haall families love. you will see a lot of great chinese shops that is readily available for everyone. >> and that is just thein are richmond there is more to do in the richmond.

what is love is the theatre. >> i mean adam and with my wife jamie, own little company called cinema sf we operate the balboa theatre. the vocabularying theatre on sacramento and soon the 4 star on clement. >> balboa theatre opened in 1926 and servicing this outer richmond neighborhood since then. and close on the heels the 4 star opens since 1913. >> when you come in to a movie theatre, the rest of the world has to be left behind. but you get e mersed in the world that is film makers made for you. that is a special experience to very much we can all think of the movies that we saw in the big screen of with everybody screaming or laughing or crying. it is a shared human experience

that you get when you go in to places that are gatherings and artist presented to you. >> a shared experience is the most precious. and the popcorn. [laughter]. at the balboa especially, we stroif to have movies for people of every generation from the pop corn palace movies on the weekend mornings, for families and kids. this is for everybody of all ages. >> what is great about the richmond is it is a neighborhood of the immigrants. belongs to immigrants not ap i immigrants you will see that there are also a huge population of rush wrans and ukrainian immigrants they stay united you am see that the support they lend to each other as a

community. and cinderella bakery is another legacy business. if you go on the website it is known as a russian bakery. the first thing you see their pledge to support the ukrainian community. you will see the unity in the richmond i'm so proud of our immigrant community in the rich monthed. >> my dad immigrate friday iran the reason he stayed was because of the restaurant. has more centamential value it is the reasonable we are in this country. when he had an opportunity to take over the instruct he stayed that is why we are here part of our legacy and san francisco history and like to keep it going for years to come. >> another moment i'm proud to be supporting the richmond and the only asian american woman elect in the office and as an

immigrant that is not happen nothing 3 decades. you see it is my ability to represent especially the asian-american community. in my case the chinese speaking elders in our community that really can allow me to communicate with them directly. i'm program director of adult day centers. i have been here for 7 years i love to help the communities and help and the people with disability. i foal a connection with them. i am anim grant i love helping our community and new immigrants and improvements. >> if you want nature, richmond is the neighborhood to go we are

between ocean beach heights and golden gate park. >> i love the outer richmond. for me this is the single best neighborhood in san francisco. everybody knows each other. people have been living here forever. it is young and old. the ocean is really near by. and so there is that out doors ocean vibe to it. there are places to seat golden gate bridge it is amazing. businesses are all small mom and pop businesses. houses get passed down generation to generation. it has a small town feel but you know you are in a big city at the same time. it's got a unique flavor i don't see in other neighborhoods j. it is about being inclusive we are inclusive and welcome the communities, anybody should feel welcome and belong here and shop

local, eat local. we believe that with that support and that network it come in full circle. it is passing on kinds knows. that's when richmond is about that we are together at once. welcome to the richmond. [music] >> for us, we wish we had our queue and we created spaces that are

active. >> food and drinks. there is a lot for a lot of folks and community. for us, it started back in 1966 and it was a diner and where our ancestors gathered to connect. i think coffee and food is the very fabric of our community as well as we take care of each other. to have a pop-up in the tenderloin gives it so much meaning. >> we are always creating impactful meaning of the lives of the people, and once we create a space and focus on the most marginalized, you really include a space for everyone. coffee is so cultural for many

communities and we have coffee of maria inspired by my grandmother from mexico. i have many many memories of sharing coffee with her late at night. so we carry that into everything we do. currently we are on a journey that is going to open up the first brick and mortar in san francisco specifically in the tenderloin. we want to stay true to our ancestors in the tenderloin. so we are getting ready for that and getting ready for celebrating our anniversary. >> it has been well supported and well talked about in our community. that's why we are pushing it so much because that's how we started. very active community members.

they give back to the community. support trends and give back and give a safe space for all. >> we also want to let folks know that if they want to be in a safe space, we have a pay it forward program that allows 20% to get some funds for someone in need can come and get a cup of coffee, pastry and feel welcomed in our community. to be among our community, you are always welcome here. you don't have to buy anything or get anything, just be here and express yourself and be your authentic self and we will always take care of you.

>> today's special guest michelle ginsberg. >> i'm chris and you are watching san francisco riegz the show that focused on reguilding and reimagining our city our guest is the general manager of

the san francisco rec and parks, with us to talk about new parks, music and other developments. mr. ginsberg, welcome. >> thank you a pleasure to be here >> nice to see you again. >> last time was during the pandemic and virtual. so it is good to be back here. >> indeed. before we get in specifics, let's start with a broad question, how can will park's system play a part in the economic recovery? >> well, our parks system playing an important role throughout the pandemic. parks were here when people in san francisco needed them the most. a place where people could gather and could care for mentality health and fizz cat health and have a sense of community and a sense of place during a really weird time. and now that things are

reopening and figure out how to recover, parks are going to continue to play a significant role >> people are out and having a good time. there are special events happening in parks. concerts and the weather is good. the best way parks play a role in our economic recovery is to motivate -- people to come to our city from other places and to motivate our residents to get out and enjoy themselves >> exciting to her we opened a new park and there is another. what is special about the 2 new projects? >> sure. san francisco is going through, i think, a park renaissance. we opened the francisco park, which is just magnificent property that sits on top of an old reservoir dating back to the gold rush and has tremendous views of the golden gate bridge and bay and a place where you

can bring kids. a cool play ground to bring dogs an amazing dog park. a meadow to watch the fireworks. fog willing. fleet week, community gardens, it is just such an incredible unique space. we are proud of it. >> and then right down the road in a few years, we will be pleased to welcome everybody to india basin in the bay view in the southeast part along the southern water front. 1.7 miles of waterfront that until recently has been under utilized and under fulfill in the a community this needs it the most. india basin is really a feel moment for the bay view and southeastern part of san francisco. it is going to be san

francisco's next great and one of the most important parks >> that's fantastic. now, we have a great history of having conference in parks. can you touch on the year's highlights? >> upcoming and on going. this is something i'm particularly excited about. i don't think there is ever have been more music in san francisco parks than there is right now >> so, let's go around the city and talk about music. stern grove, is in the 85th concert season. back after the pandemic. in this just fabulously treasured meadow. free concerts all summer long. in golden gate park, at the man shell not guilty music concourse free concerts 4 days a week. wednesday, friday, saturday and sundays. we have sing are song writer wednesday. jazz and seoul on friday. communities performances on

saturdays of different kindses and sundays reggae it is extraordinary. and of course, later this summer we are pleased to welcome back outside lands for an exciting 3 days and 3 nights of incredible concerts and food and community. as we go across the city, we got wonderful performances in the jerry theatre in mc clarnin park a special jerry day coming back to the theatre. on june 21st we had make music day appearing all over the city in park in civic center. on the marina green. again in golden gate park. it has been a great time for music and ties into the recovery and the tremendous energy where we are feeling and -- you know anybody who says san francisco is struggling needs to hang out

in the park system. where well is joy and beaut and he inspiration every day. >> so, the san francisco board of supervisors passed legislation to make jfk drive in will golden gate park car free. how have residents responds. >> the san francisco residents responds positive. families. bicyclists, joggers, people with dogs and people from every corner of san francisco have discovered that jfk promenade is a treasure. it enhances the parks so much. imagine a beautiful day in the park and weather on foot or on bike you are strolling down jfk, you pass sixth avenue and head to the music concourse for a concert or the museum; it is joyous and made golden gate park

sproord. i have been hering about disk golf and pickle ball. can you tell us about and where people can practice and play. >> i knew you were going. pickle ball the fastest growing sports. you know across between 10 and is ping pong and may be with a whiffle ball. ping pong on a life sized course it is easy to learn about skill based people who are good are irrelevant good and it is easy to play. it is fun and accessible. we are trying to accommodate sport. we have over 55 courts around san francisco. 11 dedicated just for pickle balt others per pickle ball and tennis. we have 5 or 10 space you can play pickle ball indoors and keeping up with the tremendous popularity of the sport.

disk golf has a loyal following it is also going to continue to growch we opened our first disk golf course in golden gate park in 2005. and you know, whether you are an expert at disk golf or beginner, the idea of chucking a frisbee through the beautiful park and. it does not matter what you score t. is just a good excuse to be outside and enjoy a beautiful day in nature. >> exactly. well, thank you. i really appreciate you coming on the show, thank you for the time you have given us tuesday. >> thank you, i hope everybody enjoys summer. get out and play in san francisco's parks.

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